Military Review

About "patriotism"

147
About "patriotism"Recently, in Russia, patriotism has been increasingly talked about at an official level. Moreover, special documents are being prepared on this subject, designed to raise the degree of patriotism among citizens. Meanwhile, in fact, the authorities, including the first person of the state, profess completely opposite values. There is no need to go far for examples. This is written in the author's column by the expert of the “New Region” on security and crisis situations Fedor Yakovlev.

On October 20, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on “On Improving State Policy in the Field of Patriotic Education”, according to which the presidential administration for public projects was created. Pavel Zenkovich, deputy head of the presidential internal policy department, was appointed head of the office by another presidential decree, who oversaw information policy and interaction with public organizations and civil society.

The simplest and most intelligible handbook on “strengthening the patriotic education and spiritual and moral foundations of Russian society” is set out in the famous song “Where the Motherland Begins,” but the current “tutors of the young generation” cannot understand this and, moreover, cannot put it into practice.

For the education of patriotism, first of all, we need appropriate examples, but what can the current government offer and can it, in the first place, serve as such an example? There is no need to go far for an answer - perhaps the most famous ship in stories Of Russia, the legendary cruiser Aurora was deleted by order of the Minister of Defense from the Navy !? October 16 this year the ship was abandoned by the last sailors who had been doing military service here. This means that a couple of years will pass and the pride of the Russian fleet with more than a century of history stupidly write off for scrap.

But the cruiser Aurora was launched on May 11 1900 of the year and became famous five years later - 14 May 1905 of the year in the Tsushima battle, during which 18 shells of Japanese guns fell into it, and from the fragments from undershoots in the hull several hundreds were subsequently counted holes. Ten sailors, including the commander of the Aurora, the captain of 1 rank Yevgeny Romanovich Egoryev, who died in this battle, were sewn into a canvas and, with their old legs attached to their feet, were buried according to the sea custom at the bottom of the Korean Strait. Another 82 sailor was injured during the battle.

Several times on the Aurora, after direct hits of shells, there were fires, 6 was hit by a flag once, but each time Russian sailors raised it again under the most severe shelling of Japanese ships.

So, the cruiser “Aurora” is not only a “symbol of Soviet power”, but also a Russian warship filled with the blood of Russian sailors, defending their Fatherland even in the distant 1905 year - a symbol of the heroism of Russian sailors, six thousand of whom remained in the waters forever after the Tsushima Battle The Yellow Sea and the Korean Strait, along with their 13 ships, sunk in this one of the most tragic battles in Russian history.

In addition, unlike today, when Russia, in the presence of world-class businessmen, such as Prokhorov, Abramovich, etc., orders the Mistral helicopter carriers in France for its navy, the cruiser Aurora was completely built in Russia under the project and under the leadership of a talented Russian shipbuilder Konstantin Mikhailovich Tokarevsky, but about this “Russian patriots” like Putin, Medvedev, Serdyukov, etc., who decided to write off the ship from the Navy, most likely either do not know, or not even otyat know.

During the blockade of Leningrad, the Aurora cruiser was included in the Kronstadt air defense system, and nine X-mm XMUMX guns taken from the cruiser were transferred to the battery A (Aurora) created in the Duderhof region.

In September 1941, for a week, the battery held back the German offensive tanksfighting to the last shell in complete surroundings. After fierce battles of 165 people, only 26 sailors survived the battery. At present, monuments and memorials built in the 1970s on the site of the former positions of the Aurora battery guns remind of those battles.

For the Nazis, the cruiser Aurora was also a "symbol of Soviet power" and, therefore, throughout the blockade of Leningrad, it was subjected to the most severe shelling and airstrikes. After several hits, the cruiser sat on the ground, but the only remaining effective anti-aircraft gun remained in the ranks, and the Red flag was still flying above the cruiser. What kind of moral monsters need to be in order to so systematically and purposefully destroy a warship that became the pride of the Russian fleet more than 100 years ago and at the same time talk about "patriotic education" !?

And can start this upbringing with ex-presidential candidate Mikhail Prokhorov, who arranged aboard the legendary cruiser on the night of 6 June 2009, the disgustingly shameful drunk about the anniversary of the Russian Pioneer magazine, which is published for his money? On Posner's words to him: “Celebrating on Aurora, you kind of spit in the face of this past, whether you like it or not. Did you think about it when you decided to arrange such a holiday there? ”, Prokhorov absolutely calmly replies:“ You know, I really, let's say, gently and understandingly treat real characters. But this is not the case with Aurora alone. ” That is, for this “patriot” of Russia, the shed blood of Russian sailors in defending their fatherland does not apply to “real symbols”!

According to the assessment given by the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, the cruiser Aurora, like any other museum, is a historical monument, feasting and having fun in the walls of which is blasphemous. And the presence of officials at such banquets, especially during a crisis, is doubly blasphemous. ” These words related to the Presidential Plenipotentiary Representative in the North-West Federal District Ilya Klebanov, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Elvira Nabiullina and St. Petersburg Governor Valentina Matvienko, who very “patriotically” took part in the orgy on the deck of a ship covered with the blood of Russian sailors. The fact that none of the listed government officials answered for it is clear, but after all, the same composition of the Federation Council, which so “angrily and patriotically denounced” state officials, then unanimously (!) Elected Matvienko as head of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation! And, you can not even doubt that she will be in the front ranks of the “tutors of patriotism” among the younger generation.

There is another, no less illustrative example - from December 27 2007, according to the verdict of the judge of the North Caucasus District Military Court Tsybulnik V.E. serving 15-year punishment in the strict regime regime 31-year-old Lieutenant Sergey V. Arakcheev, the whole “crime” of which lies in the fact that he honestly served his homeland. Prior to that, Arakcheev was acquitted by two jurors, but also twice, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court overturned the jury’s verdict, and only “for formal reasons”, which means that, in essence, the jury’s objection to the judges of the Supreme Court , or the second time there was nothing! For the third time, without further ado, the judge of the North Caucasian District Military Court, Tsybulnik, convicted the lieutenant alone and sentenced him to 15 years of imprisonment for murder, which Arakcheev did not commit and there is convincing evidence!

10 June 2011 of the year, in accordance with the current legislation of the Russian Federation, in relation to Arakcheev, a "complex psychophysiological study using a polygraph", more simply, a lie detector, was conducted. The conclusion of an independent expert with a statutory right to conduct such research was unequivocal: “The direct participation of S. V. Arakcheev himself in the events under study (January 15, 2003, on the territory of the Czech Republic) is not detected and is not confirmed”.

In principle, such a conclusion did not surprise anyone, because even on the courts more than 30 witnesses testified that they personally saw Arakcheev at the time of the incriminated murder in a completely different place, excluding even the possibility of his involvement in these murders, but the conclusion of the independent expert was ignored as well as the previous testimony, and Arakcheev continues to serve a completely unlawful punishment.

Isn't it a great example for fostering “patriotism”? Especially if you consider that the appeals to Putin and Medvedev, signed by thousands of Russian citizens, neither one nor the other do not respond.

You can talk about the ideological guidelines proposed by the current government for patriotic education. 22 March this year The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a resolution on the celebration of the 120 anniversary since the birth of the Uniate Patriarch Joseph Slipyy in Ukraine at the state level. This “cleric” is widely known for the fact that on July 6 of the year already called on Ukrainians to “help the German army more broadly through joint efforts.” August 1941 1 of the year swore “eternal allegiance” to German Governor-General Hans Frank, April 1941 20 in Lviv of the year he sent a solemn service in honor of Adolf Hitler's birthday, and in April 1942 took an active part in the formation of the SS division "Galicia" and even sent on this occasion a solemn service in honor of the creation of a division in which Uniate priests were sent to the post of chaplains.

The only deputy from the Party of Regions, who voted against this decree, Yuri Boldyrev said that the vote was "an excuse for fascism", yet the rest of his party colleagues voted in favor of honoring this fascist lackey at the state level! But, after all, the Party of Regions is the party that signed the Agreement on cooperation and collaboration with the ruling United Russia party now in July 2005! All the representatives of which keep on this occasion a truly deathly silence, which, in accordance with the well-known Russian proverb, can only testify to their full agreement with the Party of Regions in the matter of glorifying fascist lackeys in Ukraine at the state level.

Moreover, 16 October this year. In Crimea, the II Interparty Forum of the Party of Regions and the United Russia Party took place, at which the Russian side was represented by the First Deputy Committee of the State Duma on the CIS and relations with compatriots Dmitry Sablin. Answering the question about “feelings from the past Forum,” the politician, by the way, a native of Donetsk region, and, according to him, supporting “constant contacts with Ukraine”, he said: “We have excellent relations. Nevertheless, I can honestly say: never before have we been so comfortable discussing mutual cooperation as now ”! That is, Sablin publicly and fully supported the process of Ukraine’s fascization with his colleagues in an inter-party agreement, moreover, officially on behalf of United Russia!

And this is not an accident, and not a reservation. In May, by decree of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev, 2009 was created, apparently, with the same "good intentions" as that of Putin, the Commission under the President of the Russian Federation to counteract attempts to falsify history to the detriment of Russia's interests. And what does she remember? Exceptionally, a statement by Nikolai Svanidze, a member of the Presidential Commission for Combating Historical Falsification, who called on Russia to recognize ... the “Soviet occupation” of the Baltic states! According to Medvedev’s decree of February 14, 2012, the commission ordered to live long. Presumably, on the basis of the “history” of her “activity”, it was created for the sake of this statement by Svanidze.

So, based on the experience of implementing other “patriotic” projects aimed solely at “enhancing” the image of Russia, a definite conclusion can be made about the results of the next presidential project. At the same time, the comment of the anonymous “sources” of the Kommersant newspaper involved in the project that “the work of the management cannot bring immediate success and instant results” is especially encouraging, from which it is quite possible to assume that for at least the nearest 5-7 years of "promoting" the management of "the allocation of grants and state awards within its competence" will be impossible to control at all.

This is just wonderful when the current president of the state utters the words that “distortion of the national historical, moral consciousness led to the catastrophe of entire states” and even, ostensibly, understands that “cultural identity, spiritual, moral values, value codes are hard competition, sometimes open information confrontation, and a well-orchestrated propaganda attack ”, and patriotic work is possible only with a“ public-state partnership ”. But it is unfortunate that his words look no more than hypocrisy when compared with his own concrete deeds and their results. For a start, it would be nice if Russian President Vladimir Putin, at least, responded to appeals signed by thousands of Russian citizens about the shameful and unlawful verdict to Russian patriot Lieutenant Sergey Arakcheev.
Author:
Originator:
http://pravoslav-voin.info
147 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. YARY
    YARY 20 November 2012 07: 20
    +11
    Examples of "p at r and about tisma" of the current government are sea but, these are examples that do not cause anything except gnashing of teeth.
    1. bask
      bask 20 November 2012 07: 43
      +24
      ... PATRIOTISM ..- this is what you ((personally ((((((((you can do it for the prosperity of your country ... not WORDS AND WORKS .... Each in its place !!!!! .......
      1. YARY
        YARY 20 November 2012 07: 49
        +2
        The name of the rivers (bask).
        Right.
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 20 November 2012 08: 04
          +6
          It is said that is true, but only not everyone wants to do it! A sweet, green piece of paper beckons, and beckons!
          1. alexng
            alexng 20 November 2012 08: 32
            +7
            Previously, African Aborigines were bought with glass and all kinds of cheap glitters, and now green cheap paper made in the Western style. Nothing has changed much, but fools will probably exist forever, which are conducted on the tricks of financially legal money lenders. But the most remarkable thing is that the whole world was led to this.
          2. yustas
            yustas 20 November 2012 10: 44
            +2
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            It is said that is true, but only not everyone wants to do it! A sweet, green piece of paper beckons, and beckons!

            The fact of the matter is that we ourselves, for the most part, have exchanged patriotism, faith, friendship, and devotion for fucking ... paper, and we educate our children
            Quote: Armeec
            To instill patriotism .... And on the example of whom? We have many ordinary DECENT people, both among military and civil

            it’s up to them to inculcate, not by the state itself, the state is what its people are, there is no one to blame but themselves.
            You can philosophize for a long time on this topic, but if everyone puts a brick, instead of a word, then we will not only build a state, but a state that everyone will have to reckon with, then the former and future republics will want to return themselves, and there we will see if we need it , and how to live well so cheers, and how to rake shit together, so do the same fellow citizens push us there, as it’s all sad
      2. Fox 070
        Fox 070 20 November 2012 10: 59
        +26
        Quote: bask
        .. PATRIOTISM ..- this is what you ((personally ((((((((you can do it for the prosperity of your country.

        Hello my friend! It is said right !!! drinks
        BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE GUMPS THAT GAVE THIS ARTICLE "MINUS". THIS IS WHAT IT IS NECESSARY TO BE A SHOULDER IN ORDER TO LEAVE THE RIGHT WORDS ABOUT PATRIOTISM.
        What would you, "minusers", be SO minus the rest of your life ... S ... ki ... am am am
        1. yustas
          yustas 20 November 2012 11: 23
          +6
          Quote: Fox 070
          What would you, "minusers", be SO minus the rest of your life ... S ... ki ...

          There are fewer such people than those who not only read, but also were able to analyze and draw conclusions.
          As far as I remember, we were taught to read in kindergarten, but to analyze what we read, we need a brain, and some individuals simply don’t have it, because he’s either drinking beer since childhood or something else that is not alcoholic but completely killing.
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 20 November 2012 12: 00
            +15
            Quote: yustas
            . he’s either drinking beer since childhood or something else that is not alcoholic but completely killing.

            I don’t think, colleague, that you are right. Those who are "under a beer since childhood" and others like them will not climb on a patriotic site, their level is porn sites. Everything is much worse than it might seem. This is an internal ENEMY, who really does not want to remember the Heroes of the Tsushima battle, Suvorov and his Miracle Heroes, Kutuzov and the Russian Soldier, Karchagin, Matrosov, the Red Banner over the defeated Reichstag, the Queen, Gagarin and the first detachment of cosmonauts, about the Heroes of Afghanistan, about the guys who laid down their heads in Chechnya, Dagestan, Beslan and Budenovsk ... And how many more unknown to us (but truly heroic) episodes are kept by the long and not very history of the life of the Russian State ?!
            This enemy is the notorious "fifth column", liberals entrenched in the government, show business, media, the Internet and (including) on ​​our website.
            That's who you need to extort by any means (!!!) available.
            1. yustas
              yustas 20 November 2012 12: 09
              +4
              Quote: Fox 070
              This enemy is the notorious "fifth column", liberals entrenched in the government, show business, media, the Internet and (including) on ​​our website.
              That's who you need to extort by any means (!!!) available.

              With all hands for!
              Quote: Fox 070
              I do not think, colleague, that you are right. Those who are "under a beer since childhood" and others like them will not climb on a patriotic site, their level is porn sites.

              Yeah, but I also meant what they teach (or maybe they would have taught more correctly) at school, about the same story, they just don’t care, they have an empty box, they just need dough, boil and beer, and parents there is no time, they, too, basically rested on money, which their children need, of course I greatly exaggerate, because there are people who just work and earn extra money in order to make ends meet, but if you look at the essence of the problem, then everything is very simple, everyone wants new and better than the neighbor, there’s the problem of dough, dough, but you don’t think hedgehog about nothing, what patriotism is there.
              We are growing a consumer society, that’s the problem, and the consumer doesn’t need a story, he needs to fill his stomach, put on new clothes, swallow for self-affirmation and to a disco, or as you put it on a porn site.
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 20 November 2012 12: 45
                +14
                Quote: yustas
                Growing a consumer society

                Once my father told me: Son, remember, rich is not the one who has a lot of everything, but the one who has enough. " That is what I instilled in my children, and (if I have time) I will teach this to my grandchildren!
                1. bask
                  bask 20 November 2012 12: 51
                  +6
                  I agree completely. I’m still a grandmother taught. That earned honestly, then yours. And that of people ......., not when do not envy ....
                  1. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 20 November 2012 13: 00
                    +3
                    Quote: bask
                    .Me still grandmother taught.

                    Wise people ... If all their wisdom were collected, yes to our youth ... There is something to work on !!!
                2. yustas
                  yustas 20 November 2012 13: 14
                  +6
                  Quote: Fox 070
                  Once my father told me: Sonny, remember, rich is not the one who has a lot of everything, but the one WHO HAS ENOUGH. "This is what I instilled in my children, and (if I have time) will teach my grandchildren!

                  To the point, I’m answering the question: If you’re so smart you’re not rich, "I answer almost the same thing, all the money is not enough for a fool, a smart one needs a minimum for life. And I bring up my own in the same spirit. God forbid, the same, if I have time, I will teach grandchildren!
                  So, do not be offended by the next + to you. =)
        2. 46bob46
          46bob46 20 November 2012 12: 04
          +1
          No one else.
        3. bask
          bask 20 November 2012 12: 42
          +1
          Hi Felix. Unfortunately, there are a lot of such people in Russia. I call them, “small dirty tricks,” I shit and like a bug under the pillow. And openly express my opinion, “gut,” thin ..... Now I was going to lunch, A 15-cabin flew over. All the rear window is painted with paint, Chechnya, and not any numbers. And four .... in the cockpit. By the oncoming one, and all about ... st ... And our crap and for .. ... c .... a crap and ..... Therefore, they are in the center of Moscow and they are dancing lezginka and dance .. And we ((not all ((but many to the side of the road ...
        4. Uncle
          Uncle 20 November 2012 12: 55
          -10
          Quote: Fox 070
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE GUMPS THAT SUPPLIED THIS ARTICLE "MINUS"
          Well, I put a minus, I will explain my position. For every Orthodox person, the Aurora shot is the beginning of the assault on the Winter Palace, the coup of the 17th year, millions of human victims, the mutilated appearance of Mother Russia. I repeat: Aurora is a symbol of revolution and communism. I respect the feat of hero sailors, but only Aurora volley was driven into the head with propaganda, they were always silent about the heroic past of the cruiser. Prokhorov - moral that was to mention him at all.
          Who is Arakcheev and what is his fault or merit, it is absolutely not clear from the article, the author forgot to write about it.
          What does any Ukrainian pop-uniate have to do with Russian patriotism? Have there been scoundrels in our history?
          Svanidze, Brzezinski would have been mentioned there too.
          That's for the minus, minus the article, and not Russian patriotism.
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 20 November 2012 13: 17
            +12
            Quote: Uncle
            For every Orthodox person, Aurora’s shot is the beginning of the assault on the Winter Palace,

            Yes, where does the storming of Winter and Orthodoxy ??? fool As long as we will be divided into Orthodox, Old Believers, atheists, etc. Understand the simple truth:
            WHEN THE HOUR OF TERROR TESTING COMES, RUSSIAN WILL COVER THE RUSSIAN'S BACK AND YOU WILL BE EVERYTHING EQUAL, IN WHICH GOD HE BELIEVES .

            Quote: Uncle
            some Ukrainian pop uniate

            Quote: Uncle
            Svanidze, Brzezinski would have been mentioned there too.

            The enemy, like a friend, has no nationality, and the Ukrainians and I are also blood brothers.
            Your post is clearly provocative in form and narrow-minded in content.
            YOU DELIVERED A MINUS.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 39
              -6
              Quote: Fox 070
              Yes, where does the storming of Winter and Orthodoxy ???
              Yes, with the fact that the storming of the Winter Palace began an uprising in Petrograd, which marked the Revolution in Russia, after which even the name "Russia" ceased to exist.

              Quote: Fox 070
              EVERYTHING IS EQUAL IN WHICH GOD HE BELIEVES.
              Christ is the true God !!!
              1. kulpin
                kulpin 20 November 2012 21: 47
                0
                You are confusing something. The revolution began in February, and the "godless" Bolsheviks generally had very little to do with it. Incidentally, pogroms and massacres of officers in the navy also took place during the "sweetest" February (this is how last year's white ribbon shows are recalled) revolution. Read the original sources carefully.
          2. yustas
            yustas 20 November 2012 13: 19
            +2
            Quote: Uncle
            For every Orthodox person, the Aurora shot is the beginning of the assault on the Winter Palace, the coup of the 17th year, millions of human victims, the mutilated appearance of Mother Russia. I repeat: Aurora is a symbol of revolution and communism.

            That is, you erased in one gulp the Heroic history of the cruiser, and at the same time those Orthodox Sailors who defended Russia, their homeland on it.
            I think this is somewhat wrong and premature, well, yes, your God is your judge.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 37
              -3
              Quote: yustas
              Ie you in one gullet crossed out the Heroic story of the cruiser,
              Not me, but communist propaganda.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 20 November 2012 15: 11
                +8
                Quote: Uncle
                Not me, but communist propaganda.

                Dima, believe it, believe in your health. The future is behind the socialist idea. If you want to stay in the past on the sidelines of civilization, please. I and the like will go to the victory of socialism, and we will win. We believe in victory, otherwise you should not live.
          3. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 20 November 2012 14: 03
            +5
            If you were interested in what was happening around you, you would know who Arakcheev was and why you clung to him so much!
            I didn’t put an assessment, although I reacted positively to the article ...
            Fi, the volley of Aurora does not say anything to the Orthodox person, because it has nothing to do with church life, the volley of Aurora is simply a symbol of the changes that have taken place, not the Aurora, so another ship was shot, but would have shot ...
            It amazes me, WHERE DOES our contemporaries HAVE any kind of stubborn stubbornness in views that even the most stubborn enemies of the Soviet regime had rejected at one time, for which they would be so envious of revenge on her? Looks like she fed and raised, gave education and much more ...
            I didn’t give it that way, I didn’t feed it that way, I learned poorly - apparently so ...
            1. kulpin
              kulpin 20 November 2012 22: 22
              +1
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              I didn’t give it that way, I didn’t feed it that way, I learned poorly - apparently so ...

              Unfortunately, the big, and probably the main, mistake of the Soviet Power was complacency and the weakening of the notorious "ideological front". It was accepted "to culture" to throw those who showed complete failure in anything. Well, various "offended" have settled there. It’s not in the foundry, the lampoons of the jew's harp! Again, "abroad will help us." By the way, an interesting point: almost all of these "offended", both old and new, are just idlers. For example, I have a "galaxy" of acquaintances of relatively young people who managed to get a higher education in the humanities back in the 90s. That is, free of charge and at the PRESENT, Soviet level. But they have not received the "distribution". So you have no idea how they hate their country! She - such a bitch - you see, promised them dusty places on the "ideological front", and she herself, such rubbish, FAILED! And I remember a simple story that happened in the same damned 90s. In Dzerzhinsk, at the Sverdlov factory in winter, in a bitter frost, a dog was whelping. In "soviet" times, she would have found a warm basement and compassionate "factory" people. But in the new democratic reality, this plant did not work every day, and not all workshops. In general, when in the morning the men from the transport department came to work, they saw such a picture. In the corner, on the rags, lay already dead dog, and near her until the blood of torn nipples were still swarming freezing puppies. Seekers of the higher "symbols" and "signs" - here is a symbol and a sign for you. The dying Motherland gave its last blood, carelessly, in the mud ... but gave a chance to continue ...
              The rude men, of course, warmed the puppies and, despite hunger and months of "delays" in wages, took them home. Good dogs came out, faithful and strong ... What can not be said, alas, about the national humanities.
        5. merkel1961
          merkel1961 20 November 2012 15: 34
          +2
          Fox 070For more than a decade, these ghouls have been crawling out of their skin, desecrating and falsifying our history, they are afraid of the new Gastello, the Matrosovs and other Heroes who gave us a heroic example! So the "miners" are trying not only here, but also on other resources, in offices for grant-eaters, and apartments of the "fifth column".
        6. alexng
          alexng 21 November 2012 12: 49
          +1
          Quote: Fox 070
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE GUMPS THAT GAVE THIS ARTICLE "MINUS". THIS IS WHAT IT IS NECESSARY TO BE A SHOULDER IN ORDER TO LEAVE THE RIGHT WORDS ABOUT PATRIOTISM.

          Yes, do not pay attention to such. They are just professional, intelligent Judas, and they are not worth any attention from any side. And, if it treats them like annoying flies, then their cons and chatter turns into a mouse droppings.
      3. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 20 November 2012 11: 18
        +12
        I agree! That’s why then the GDP does not show patriotism by personal example, for example, if I could get Serdyuk to land, it’s already clear to everyone how much he cuts, but there are no claims from the president, please apply for a new post
        http://news.rambler.ru/16417824/
        http://news.rambler.ru/16429728/
        So it turns out that the president and the people speak different languages, for the people "patriotism" means one thing, but for the government something completely different!
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 20 November 2012 12: 06
          +9
          Quote: S_mirnov
          the president and the people speak different languages

          And so we always had (at least since the reign of the Romanov dynasty) - power was separate from the people, and the state survived, oddly enough, contrary to their efforts. hi "+"
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 20 November 2012 12: 30
            +3
            I do not agree, during the Second World War, the Soviet people clearly showed that he was FOR Soviet power. But now other times and different power.
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 20 November 2012 12: 50
              +9
              Quote: S_mirnov
              during WWII

              During the Great Patriotic War, dear (!) Alexander, both before and after it, was at the helm of the country STATE and the people felt it, but the current ones ... somehow lured themselves! hi
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 07
                -9
                Quote: Fox 070
                at the helm of the country was the STATE and the people felt it,

                This statesman had his hands to the elbow in blood, the people did not feel, but was afraid.
                1. yustas
                  yustas 20 November 2012 13: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Uncle
                  This statesman had his hands to the elbow in blood, the people did not feel, but was afraid.

                  Perhaps, but it was Stalin who allowed the revival of churches, for that matter, as well as this man with "blood in his hands", managed to restore the country in a short period and bring it to the top.
                  We who did not live then, I believe, have no moral and other right to condemn the actions of this person. He could, and you with your foundations? ask this question, if you put such a person now, I think everything will recover quickly, and alcoholics and drug addicts will disappear, because will be busy with occupational therapy without the possibility of leaving.
                  I do not support executions, but I cannot and do not have the right to slander without knowing and without having been in the place of this person.
                  1. Uncle
                    Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 44
                    -4
                    Quote: yustas
                    Stalin allowed the rebirth of churches,

                    It was in the 43rd, the Moscow Patriarchate was created, thousands of churches were opened ... And after the war, everything returned to normal, the priests again went to exile ...
                2. mark021105
                  mark021105 20 November 2012 22: 33
                  +2
                  Why are you so stubborn, but ... Everything is not so for him ... Aurora is not a heroic ship, the ruler is not a statesman ... Under Nicholas II, everything was fine? The people did not starve, Russia is ahead of the whole planet, right? Doldonite and doldonit ... "But Baba Yaga is against it!"
            2. Uncle
              Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 06
              -5
              Quote: S_mirnov
              I do not agree, during the Second World War, the Soviet people clearly showed that he was FOR Soviet power.

              I do not agree, they fought against the Nazis, against the enemy, and not for that very power.
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 20 November 2012 14: 05
                +1
                A famous song - not thanks, but contrary to, and so on ...
                Have you tried to change a hackneyed record?
            3. yustas
              yustas 20 November 2012 13: 27
              +4
              Quote: S_mirnov
              I do not agree, during the Second World War, the Soviet people clearly showed that he was FOR Soviet power. But now other times and different power

              I do not agree, you confuse the concept of country and power with the concepts of homeland and homeland
              It was for them and not for power that our grandfathers stood.
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 20 November 2012 16: 23
                +7
                Not at all confused. They went to battle for their homeland, for Stalin! And Stalin was the head of Soviet power. And in general, the power protecting the interests of its people and future generations is identified with their homeland. This is now power and homeland are completely different concepts,
        2. military
          military 20 November 2012 12: 16
          +3
          Quote: S_mirnov
          the president and the people speak in different languages, for the people "patriotism" means one thing, but for the government something completely different!

          for the time being ... until these "inhabitants of heaven" are "translated" into an accessible and understandable ... angry
      4. Goodmen
        Goodmen 20 November 2012 12: 16
        +1
        And then you will be imprisoned ...: ((((
  2. Soldier
    Soldier 20 November 2012 08: 00
    +15
    To instill patriotism .... And on the example of whom? We have many ordinary WELCOME people, both among the military and among civilians, but they are telling everyone that the one who has the loot is in favor. ,, Grab the jackpot, take everything from life, and patriotism is for losers-losers, But a grabber CANNOT be a patriot. Unfortunately, you sometimes hear: ,, Yes, I didn’t care about everything and everything! What we have there with the army, that with the country, nevermind. You pay me the main thing, and that the children are fed and the rest I don’t give a damn ,, Not guys, it still can’t go on forever, and when the mansions begin to smash, don’t ask WHY YOU ARE US SO? Although, maybe ,, Uncle Vova ,, will nevertheless begin, “cleaning,” seriously ..
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 20 November 2012 16: 33
      +4
      "Uncle Vova will still start cleaning" vserez "I haven't started cleaning for 12 years, but will he start now? :) It is unlikely.
      As for the bourgeois ideology about "the main thing is money", it does not take root in Russia, it cannot replace the sovtsk "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood". But the modern government cannot afford to live for people with Soviet ideology, because the threat to them is not weak. Therefore, now a program is in full swing to replace the Soviet ideology with the "church", so that parents do not pass on their ideology to their children, they begin to teach them the word of God from kindergarten, and then the school, army, institute will crawl through everywhere! Because Humility, Patience and Forgiveness are much safer than "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood".
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 20 November 2012 17: 10
        +8
        Quote: S_mirnov
        so that parents don’t convey their ideology

        I agree. You hit the point. "+" But in my case, THEY miscalculated. My children already know "whose cat ate bacon." And I won't give them my grandchildren ...
  3. FID
    FID 20 November 2012 08: 01
    +31
    When the first person of the state travels to France and signs a contract for the purchase (for a state airline, by the way) of foreign aircraft, and the other first person - a contract for the purchase of helicopter carriers (and this despite the fact that the domestic industry is moving from bread to crackers) - WHAT PATRIOTISM is out of the question!
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 08
      0
      Quote: SSI
      WHAT PATRIOTISM can be discussed!
      About that which is in the heart of every Russian person.
      1. FID
        FID 20 November 2012 13: 41
        +4
        Serdyukov is also a Russian person.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 53
          +1
          Quote: SSI
          Serdyukov is also a Russian person.

          Unfortunately, nothing to say.
          1. FID
            FID 20 November 2012 13: 55
            +4
            Then, you might think first?
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 20 November 2012 14: 02
              0
              Below I write what I mean by "Russian", in solidarity with Dostoevsky.
              1. FID
                FID 20 November 2012 14: 10
                +5
                You look who is ahead of everyone at Easter. You say that they are also patriots? And the Russians?
                1. FID
                  FID 20 November 2012 14: 32
                  +3
                  I understand that the arguments are over. Orthodox cons were used.
                2. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 20 November 2012 15: 17
                  +6
                  Quote: SSI
                  You look who is ahead of everyone at Easter. You say that they are also patriots? And the Russians?

                  Sergey, I support you. And minus those who have completely blown the roof on church grounds, they no longer think, do not analyze, do not include logic, for them church dogmas are above all.
                  1. FID
                    FID 20 November 2012 15: 29
                    +4
                    I agree with you, Nikolay! There is not even a dogma, but do not understand what!
                  2. S_mirnov
                    S_mirnov 20 November 2012 16: 35
                    +3
                    Perhaps I will repeat: “As for the bourgeois ideology about“ the main thing is money, ”it doesn’t take root in Russia, it cannot replace the Soviet Union“ Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood. ”But the modern government cannot afford to live for people with Soviet ideology, because the threat to them Therefore, now the program is in full swing to replace the Soviet ideology with the "church", so that parents do not pass on their ideology to their children, they begin to teach them the word of God from kindergartens, and then the school, army, institute will crawl through everywhere! Patience and Forgiveness is much safer than "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood."
                    1. Marine One
                      Marine One 20 November 2012 17: 19
                      0
                      Quote: S_mirnov
                      Freedom equality Brotherhood

                      And where does the main slogan of the French revolution, which was thoroughly bourgeois? belay
                      1. S_mirnov
                        S_mirnov 20 November 2012 19: 53
                        +1
                        How can there be a bourgeois appeal for Equality? If the bourgeoisie is considering private ownership of the means of production (including factories)! For the Soviet Union the French Revolution was never shy!
                      2. Marine One
                        Marine One 20 November 2012 21: 55
                        +2
                        Alas, I don’t have time to give you a school history course. Referring you to reading French historians is also apparently useless. I will limit myself to the following:
                        1) The Great French Revolution was carried out under the slogan "Liberty, Equality, Brotherhood, Private Property." About the latter, those gifted with soviet (soviet, not Soviet education) are usually shyly silent. Or they simply don't know this fact.
                        2) Equality in the bourgeois paradigm of V.F.R. implies elementary equality of all citizens before the law and equality of opportunity. The French at that time understood by this a simple formula: "It does not matter who your parents are - counts or bakers. Everyone is equal in their rights and responsibilities."
                        3) The meaning of the word "bourgeois" in relation to V.F.R. you will find in serious literature. The newspaper "Our goal - communism" does not belong to it.
                      3. S_mirnov
                        S_mirnov 21 November 2012 17: 57
                        +2
                        It is thanks to the "serious" literature in our country that the history of our country (Russia), perverted to the point of absurdity, is studied in schools for "serious" historians receive salaries from the state.
                        I would like to advise you, in addition to reading "serious" books, also use your brains for critical reflection on what you read in them.
                        As for "Equality in the bourgeois paradigm of VFR implies the elementary equality of all citizens before the law and equality of opportunity." it is because of this inequality of citizens of the Russian Federation before the law that most of the troubles arise in our country.
                        http://demotivation.me/61b6qe4r2mnupic.html
                        but it is evident that this is not written in the "serious" literature, therefore you sit on the priest evenly and teach the readers of this magazine through your lips what is written there in the "serious" literature.
                        There was such a figure in our country - Egor Gaydar
                        http://www.economicportal.ru/economist_scientist/gaidar.html
                        also taught everyone how to build an economy according to "serious" economists, sorry he died early, did not live to see the people's court.
        2. Soldier
          Soldier 20 November 2012 14: 02
          0
          The enemy has no nationality. If this is the enemy, then his ethnicity does not matter.
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 20 November 2012 14: 06
        +4
        Is their patriotism too deep? And why hide him like that? Especially from fellow citizens?
  4. Reddragon
    Reddragon 20 November 2012 08: 02
    +6
    Somewhere I saw such an example (though in the internet), it began with the words: our homeland... (sorry, it turned out automatically) there is such a party (this is not from the USSR - the Communist Party) United Russia ... - in general, they will cultivate faith in the party, not in the homeland.
    1. Soldier
      Soldier 20 November 2012 08: 20
      +8
      Are you serious? Do you believe in the party of thieves who have been released in the circulation of pop athletes and puppets?
      1. Reddragon
        Reddragon 20 November 2012 09: 53
        +5
        EP at the helm - not in another party to bring faith, and why in the homeland? Then, they won’t stay afloat.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 November 2012 12: 05
        +16
        Quote: Armeec
        Are you serious? Do you believe in the party of thieves who have been released in the circulation of pop athletes and puppets?


        Patriotism should be built not on faith in any party or ideology, we have already gone through it more than once, but first of all on the realization that respect for ancestors and history is good, love for the Motherland is good, culture, science, romance is good, and betrayal, cowardice and theft are evil. It should be inside every person who considers himself a patriot, if you want real human values and not the spirit of individualism, money-grubbing and consumption that they seek to impose on us under the guise of these values. That is, an ideological war is going on against us precisely about BASIC, CENTRAL concepts.
        The current task of modern "destalinizers" is to educate our people, especially young people
        in hatred of the Soviet period of Russian history, rejection of the concept of “Moscow is the third Rome”, rejection of the “special path” of Russia, demonization of the heroes of Russian history who resisted the Western conquerors. It comes to declaring Russia - an absolute historical evil
        This is not because the apologists of modern liberalism are specific characters and defendants traitors and agents of influence. Many of them are completely sincere.
        Just for them own "Forced" Russianness is a traumatic factor for the psyche. ... one way or another, they understand - the world is ganged up on Russians, they beat it for Russianness. Being Russian is dangerous, being Russian is unprofitable, being Russian is not respectable. Being Russian is like carrying a target.
        They perfectly caught the message of the “New World Order” to the Russians. It was easy to understand by the Russian massacre in Chechnya and Central Asia, by the apartheid regime in the Baltic states, by the “banderization” of Ukraine
        They simply as it was, they were qualitatively scared. Injured and overwhelmed want to stop their being as Russians and be reborn. With all their behavior, they signal to those whom they consider Strong: “We understood everything, we will no longer be Russian. Do not punish us "
        They diligently, ritually, publicly spit on everything that might seem offensive to their new owner - Alexander Nevsky, Kutuzov, Stalin. It's not about their real or mythical flaws or atrocities. Kutuzov is accused of love of pornography, Nevsky in alliance with the Horde, Stalin - in repression. But actually their fault is Russian troops in the Baltic states, in Paris and Berlin. Here's what to forget.
        There are enough such “forgetters” both among emigrants and among the Russians of the former USSR, who “adapted” to the new world order better than others. But we have enough of these.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 20 November 2012 12: 06
          +21
          An example of gentlemen Svanidze, Brewers, Simonov. They are busy condemning Russian history. And every attempt to tell them that they’re wrong somewhere, causes an immediate attack of aggression. They are protected from this knowledge by all means, because such knowledge introduces them to the risk group - hated Russian.. This aggression and tantrums on the air are a common manifestation of fear. They are well aware that Russians will not be spared.
          Zaleshan - will be.
          Ingermanlanders will probably even be hired, Siberians will be given handouts, throw bones. But Russian - Russian must dieso as not to embarrass with his terrible Russian name the new master of the world, not to scare him with his story, not to remind about the Cossacks in Paris and the red banner over the Reichstag. The words "Whoever comes to us with a sword ..." should not sound anywhere else in the world. The owner is unpleasant to hear.
          They put it on the wrong side. More and more people recall simple truths that the Motherland is the only thing to wash their hands before eating, and P ± С ‹С‚СЊ СЂСѓСЃСЃРєРёРј -“ Р ± РѕР ”СЊС € РѕРµ СЃС З Р ° стье Рё СѓРґР ° С З Р °.
          1. Z.A.M.
            Z.A.M. 20 November 2012 12: 14
            +2
            Ascetic
            Good comment. They could also "squeeze" the article. drinks
            Sincerely.
          2. Fox 070
            Fox 070 20 November 2012 12: 36
            +10
            Quote: Ascetic
            But Russian - Russian must die,

            Richard F. Freiman once said:
            "COULD GENERATE A PEOPLE WHICH IS NOT EQUAL ..."
            To the evil of the enemies of the human race, we will not die out like mammoths and, as Garoy Bykov said in the film "Only old men go to battle", "WILL LIVE..."!!! drinks

            Quote: Ascetic
            P ± С ‹С‚СЊ СЂСѓСЃСЃРєРёРј -“ Р ± РѕР ”СЊС € РѕРµ СЃС З Р ° стье Рё СѓРґР ° С З Р °.
          3. yustas
            yustas 20 November 2012 12: 38
            +7
            + Ascetic to you, as always to the point!
            As an example of upbringing, I can bring my wife, we have a difference of 9 years with her, she was petty still in alliance, but oh how much they drove into her head:
            1. Everything in the scoop on coupons!
            2. Everyone knocked at each other
            3. All drunks!
            4. There was no food
            5. There was no technique
            6. The police are corrupt
            7. Children were poorly taught
            8. Gardens were not guarded
            9. Medicine is mediocre
            10. A backward country, because scientists received little.
            I can still bring a lot of things, I tried to fight this for a long time, thank God it helped. That's how we brought up patriotism in the funny 90s in schools, thinking, now we are reaping what we sow.
          4. Soldier
            Soldier 20 November 2012 13: 01
            +12
            I am a Jew by nation, a vocation officer and RUSSIAN BY SPIRIT. A large article +
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 15
              -8
              Quote: Armeec
              I am a Jew by nation, a vocation officer and RUSSIAN IN SPIRIT.
              The Lord gives the Orthodox Jews great spiritual gifts, the Lord is still waiting for his people, although the Russian Orthodox people have already taken their place.
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 20 November 2012 14: 09
                +2
                Orthodox Jews do not exist! And those who turn on Orthodox values ​​should know about this - or do you still have no idea about them?
                1. Uncle
                  Uncle 20 November 2012 14: 21
                  -2
                  Quote: Brother Sarich
                  Orthodox Jews do not exist!
                  There are even Jewish heroes of owls. union.
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    Brother Sarych 20 November 2012 15: 40
                    +5
                    Jewish Heroes of the Soviet Union - why not? There were quite a few!
                    Jews - religion, Orthodox - also, it is impossible to combine, as well as paganism and some branch of Christianity, Islam and Catholicism, but who knows ...
                    If you do not understand such simple things, then - my condolences! This is a clinic ...
                    1. mark021105
                      mark021105 20 November 2012 22: 40
                      +2
                      Jew is a nationality. By religion - a Jew.
                      Orthodox Jew - Goy. ;-)
              2. baltika-18
                baltika-18 20 November 2012 15: 23
                +5
                Quote: Uncle
                The Lord gives the Orthodox Jews great spiritual gifts, the Lord is still waiting for his people, although the Russian Orthodox people have already taken their place.

                Dima, I thought you were smarter.
                1. Uncle
                  Uncle 20 November 2012 23: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  Dima, I thought you were smarter.
                  Kolyanich, (can it be so, in a simple way?), I know a lot of things that the local audience didn’t even smell, and in my experience, my Orthodox Christianity was not a priori, I was baptized at 26. So do not judge strictly if I write things incomprehensible to you, or even unpleasant. This world has its own laws and rules that apply regardless of whether we know about them or not. If you don’t know something yet, do not rush to make hasty conclusions. Yours faithfully,...
              3. mark021105
                mark021105 20 November 2012 22: 38
                0
                Exactly, the tower was demolished ...
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 20 November 2012 13: 35
              +7
              Quote: Armeec
              I am a Jew by nation, a vocation officer and RUSSIAN BY SPIRIT. A large article +


              In our army, there has always been a majority of people like you. I have never met any opportunists among my Jewish army, or among my crafts. Nobody shared according to the principle of nationality, but only a man you really or (subject to moderation). But closer to the power feeder, many began to change, and not only all Jews, according to the law of the formation of power elites, I wrote recently about this .. the degradation of the elite in the USSR and the new Russia
              here
            3. baltika-18
              baltika-18 20 November 2012 15: 37
              +5
              Quote: Armeec
              I am a Jew by nation, a vocation officer and RUSSIAN IN SPIRIT.

              I heard the most important thing for myself. Plus. Thank you.
          5. bask
            bask 20 November 2012 13: 08
            0
            Stanislav. Although the nation, I’m not Russian but Chuvash. But the culture and language are 100% full. And it really hurts me that these obscurantists are doing with my Motherland ... This is some kind of holding -, gang formation, , for pumping money, for a hill. And especially sorry for simple-poor people of any nationality. And there are more and more of them ... And what, broadcast, these ventriloquists in the media, to me and the vast majority of the population .... oh ..It would survive by 4,5 thousand per month. When paying for utilities 2,5 per month. How to live such people and love their homeland ????????????????
          6. Uncle
            Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 12
            -5
            Quote: Ascetic
            and being Russian is great happiness and good fortune.
            Just being an ethnic Russian is not enough, as Dostoevsky used to say, "a Russian man without God is a pig, and frightened the whole world." The concept of "Russianness" is inseparable from the concept of "Orthodox".
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 20 November 2012 14: 12
              +2
              To be or not to be Russian is not happiness and luck, it is just a matter of chance! It does not make you better, does not make you worse, it does not affect human qualities at all ...
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 20 November 2012 14: 24
                -2
                Quote: Brother Sarich
                To be or not to be Russian is not happiness and luck, it is just a matter of chance! It does not make you better, does not make you worse, it does not affect human qualities at all ...
                Belonging to a certain people is important, a person is inseparable from the history of the people. If it doesn’t do better or worse, why are you so hostile about Jews?
                1. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 20 November 2012 15: 43
                  0
                  Because I know them well enough, and not about everyone as a whole, but about specific people in most cases ...
          7. OSTAP BENDER
            OSTAP BENDER 20 November 2012 14: 16
            +5
            I completely agree with you! On this site, I spoke about the fact that there is a real information war against the Russians and the Slavs in general! This resource is one of the cogs, global informational and psychological pressure! The facts of history are distorted, wrong opinions are imposed! Look how the pimply company dispersed, they don't leave the site, replace each other, and conduct agitation and subversive work around the clock! This is just a little bit of what is happening on the Runet! The good news is that not everyone has yet been subjected to this "zombie", and can soberly assess what is happening!
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 20 November 2012 15: 57
              +10
              Quote: OSTAP BENDER
              There the pimply company dispersed, they don't leave the site, replace each other, and conduct agitation and subversive work around the clock! This is just a little bit of what is happening on the Runet! The good news is that not everyone has yet been subjected to this "zombie", and can soberly assess what is happening!


              Well, yes, especially I, along with other moderators, give them cons, incorrect warnings and bans for their only correct and not criticized position. I just want to ask where are these warnings and bans from me and other moderators? And when you tell them
              . It turns out that you divide people according to the principle if a Jew means he is always right, and if someone criticizes a Jew (note not a user’s name but a Jew) it’s completely irrelevant for what reason, be it the Nazi policy of Israel or the fact that a person allows himself to be scorned, cling to words to get into discussion with the aim of humiliating an opponent, changing facts, conducting a discussion in a mentoring style
              the question is the answer, in advance putting him in the position of making excuses means that demagogue and anti-Semite.


              Immediately there is a wave of hatred and accusation of all mortal sins, This is the usual tactic with constant questions to drive the opponent into a dead end, put him in an unfavorable light, that is, make his position regardless of whether it is DOMINATING correct or not. including in the simplest way- THE EXTREME WORD (comment) should always be BEYOND THEM.
              Remember?
              "Stirlitz knew: the last phrase is remembered ...
              "
              Therefore, no matter how you try in a dispute with them, the last phrase will be behind them
              1. OSTAP BENDER
                OSTAP BENDER 20 November 2012 16: 20
                +6
                Quote: Ascetic
                Therefore, no matter how you try in a dispute with them, the last phrase will be behind them
                We will beat the enemy with his own weapons!
              2. Fox 070
                Fox 070 20 November 2012 16: 40
                +7
                Quote: Ascetic
                Therefore, no matter how you try in a dispute with them, the last phrase will be behind them

                It has long been known on the site that they run on old branches and crap, leaving their comments.
                Bearing in mind this "feature" of the Jewish appointees, I try to keep track of the branches on which I left posts, not giving THEM the opportunity to say the last word in the dispute. tongue
                A wise and experienced fox is not so easy to navigate. yes
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 20 November 2012 17: 35
                  +6
                  Quote: Fox 070
                  A wise and experienced fox is not so easy to hold


                  He is not afraid of anyone. He saw

                  Fox 070,


                  On your kakartinka probably a pimply professor with a grin of toothless Shark, collapsed from the height of Lebanese cedar (Rumaty)
                  1. bask
                    bask 20 November 2012 19: 51
                    +2
                    Asken -Stanislav. I read the comments Fox-a I wanted to write the same thing !!! Thoughts agreed with yours, at 100 pounds And with the shark ,, the man-eater ,,, bully
                  2. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 20 November 2012 19: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    Probably on your picture

                    Thank you, Stanislav !!! hi You understood correctly and very accurately (as always) classified this multi-headed hydra, which began to raise its heads, especially actively recently.
                    Nothing, let them blame. .. TILL...

                    FOR AN INSTANTLY BEFORE ...
                    1. bask
                      bask 20 November 2012 20: 08
                      +2
                      Not so Fox. A farewell kiss ,,, While we ,, mode, among themselves because of the shot of Aurora. And there everything is united and not what kind of freedom of thought. ((one said all confirmed (((Only by written ...
              3. Uncle
                Uncle 20 November 2012 22: 59
                -2
                Quote: Ascetic
                Therefore, no matter how you try in a dispute with them, the last phrase will be behind them

                Hence, "SSI" is a Jew? Not like ours.
          8. baltika-18
            baltika-18 20 November 2012 15: 22
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            they put it on the wrong side. More and more people recall the simple truths that the Motherland is one, that you need to wash your hands before eating, and to be Russian is a great happiness and good luck.

            Stanislav, my applause. Great comment.
          9. Reddragon
            Reddragon 20 November 2012 17: 30
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            causes an immediate attack of aggression

            Like vindos: give him something, so he starts to poke, but reboots, not like Linux laughing
        2. Fox 070
          Fox 070 20 November 2012 12: 21
          +7
          Quote: Ascetic
          There are enough such “forgetters” both among emigrants and among the Russians of the former USSR, who “adapted” to the new world order better than others. But we have enough of these.

          As always, BRAVO. Stanislav !!! drinks
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 20 November 2012 16: 46
          +4
          "Patriotism should not be built on faith in any party or ideology" - a very convenient position for a thief in power, citizens are obliged to defend him simply because he steals on Russian soil!
          "This is not happening because the apologists of modern liberalism are specific characters and figurants, traitors and agents of influence. Many of them are completely sincere."
          but also, everything is very clear:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAuCc06AaBU&feature=related
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kInnSe_KMhE&feature=related
          "There are enough such" forgetters "both among the emigrants and among the Russians of the former USSR, who" adapted "to the new world order better than others. But we have enough of them." - Well, how can he not agree, it is enough to open a modern school history textbook, officially approved! This is of course for those who have enough money to buy this textbook.
          So we even know by the names of these "forgetters" and even know who appointed them to these state. positions!
          http://demotivation.me/rudy160cvuijpic.html
          http://demotivation.me/ewpgpmu4wwjfpic.html
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkfTq1oc308&feature=related
  5. volcano
    volcano 20 November 2012 08: 32
    0
    Firstly. The MOST GLORIOUS SHIP OF THE RUSSIAN Navy is probably all the same VARYAG.
    Secondly, the author somehow either does not finish, or juggles.
    Of course, facts, such as Prokhorov’s booze, are disgusting, here I agree with the author, BUT the very fact of the withdrawal of the ship from the Navy seems to be okay.
    Aurora has long been a museum.
    There are ships all over the world for review and memory, but I think they are not in the composition of the Navy of these countries.
    Therefore, if it was a question of DESTROYING AURORA, I would agree with the author’s righteous anger, and when it comes to removing from the Navy (and most likely transferring Aurora to the balance of a city or some kind of museum) I don’t see anything terrible.
    Again, while he is part of the Navy, military sailors serve there. And what kind of service is this ... selling tickets to visitors?
    So I repeat the fact itself is not terrible, but we will look at the consequences.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 20 November 2012 11: 32
      +9
      Wrong.
      Let Aurora have no combat value.
      Let it be a museum.
      Then we will make the sailor cleaning the latrine at the headquarters of the fleet a civilian. He’s not looking at anyone in the sight.
      Why then - Enrolled forever in the part lists? Dead in the ranks? Zombie?
      ...
      A tribute to the warship museum is to leave it with the Navy.
      ...
      In general, in general ....
      For example, they will never make me responsible for the work of this Office for Patriotism.
      The result - in a month would appear, I guarantee.
      Who wants - works, who does not want - is looking for excuses.
      They divide the loot there .... and here we are talking for patriotism.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 November 2012 12: 46
        +8
        Quote: Igarr
        For example, they will never make me responsible for the work of this Office for Patriotism.



        Quote: Igarr
        The result - in a month would appear, I guarantee.


        Judging by your always balanced and critical comments, I personally do not doubt it.

        Quote: Igarr
        Who wants - works, who does not want - is looking for excuses.
        They divide the loot there .... and here we are talking for patriotism


        I agree. We’re talking about patriotism because ..

      2. volcano
        volcano 20 November 2012 17: 10
        0
        A colleague is again a question .... do I say to discard it?
        Of course not. But is it a matter of keeping the Navy here or not?
        I somehow did not consider the question like that.
        And if you do as you say, then what do we not have in the Army of the Transfiguration and Semenov, cavalry guards? or did they do less for the Motherland? Eck, did you spin that? Why don't we have "Mirny" on which Antarctica was discovered?
        WHERE IS THE VARYAG? The most famous Russian warship was sawn into scrap metal .... and nobody in Soviet Russia cared about his GLORY.
        Let's be honest .... Aurora does not stand in St. Petersburg because she participated in Tsushima .. she stands because she is a SYMBOL OF OCTOBER ... That is, not as a BATTLE SHIP, but AS A REVOLUTIONARY. You understand that very well ..
    2. Wertynskiy
      Wertynskiy 20 November 2012 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: volkan
      BUT, the fact of the withdrawal of the ship from the Navy, as it were, has nothing to worry about.

      HOW DOES IT NOT HAVE? This is a SYMBOL! How do you not understand? Is it possible to organize a buffet on the existing naval warship? No you can not. And on a heap of iron, standing on the municipal balance sheet, you can even conduct Gelman exhibitions, the main thing is to be profitable!
      1. FID
        FID 20 November 2012 11: 42
        +8
        Quote: Wertynskiy
        Is it possible to organize a buffet on the existing naval ship of the Navy

        Wait a little longer (we have MONEY at the forefront) and some Kerim-Sulejmanov-Vekselberg and on the ACTING ship celebrate the birthday of the daughter-son-in-law. And nothing will happen to him!
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 18
        0
        Quote: Wertynskiy
        HOW DOES IT NOT HAVE? This is a SYMBOL!
        This is a symbol of the revolution, he (Prokhorov) spits at him, this is his position.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 20 November 2012 15: 41
          +4
          Quote: Uncle
          This is a symbol of the revolution, he (Prokhorov) spits at him, this is his position.

          They choke on these spits. We will force to lick.
    3. Goodmen
      Goodmen 20 November 2012 12: 26
      +3
      So on the balance of some museum - it will decay ... So at least the sailors maintained order ...
      1. yustas
        yustas 20 November 2012 12: 32
        +1
        Quote: Goodmen
        So on the balance of some museum - it will rot ... So even though the sailors maintained order ..

        Perhaps you are right, because for the Sailors themselves, it was still a SYMBOL.
    4. wave
      wave 20 November 2012 12: 31
      +2
      I would like to note for the author that it would be worse if Prokhorov became president. Then, I am sure, the word "patriotism" would have become a thing of the past, and new modern concepts of the West would have come to replace them, such as such loud ones as "democracy." If you look, you can see how the whole West as a whole began to criticize Russia and with it its president again. And this still means that we are going on the right path when order is restored in the country: cleaning the Internet, gagging usaid, "kicking" corrupt oppositionists, banning beer in stalls, and our tax deductions in large part are allocated to create a powerful modern army, so that the world is considered and respected us. There are, of course, moments that you can find fault with, and indeed they will be, and you can always find fault with something, which is what the author was doing in this article in my opinion. There is no ideal, but objectively, everything is not so bad. IT CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER OR Worse THAN THERE IS, SO WE MAY BE GLAD AND GRATEFUL FOR WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE NOW IN A WHOLE ALL OF US AND EACH OF US.
    5. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 20 November 2012 14: 28
      +2
      I read somewhere that museum ships are still in the fleet! It seems that even Victory Nelson is listed in the fleet by some ancient decree ...
      1. FID
        FID 20 November 2012 14: 53
        +2
        As far as I remember, the Swedes have a museum ship. Another wooden sailboat. They store it in a special building on the water.
        1. Marine One
          Marine One 20 November 2012 17: 23
          +1
          The frigate Vasa is the only ship of the XNUMXth century that has survived to this day. There, however, was an anecdotal story. He capsized and sank at the first exit to the sea, right in the harbor.
  6. arkady149
    arkady149 20 November 2012 08: 39
    +15
    As soon as it comes to Svanidze, one immediately remembers his video message during the August events of 1991, shaking slobbering lips, a trembling voice, and "they will all kill us." Nothing but disgusting disgust.
  7. tan0472
    tan0472 20 November 2012 08: 39
    +14
    Prokhorov absolutely calmly replies: “You know, I really, say so, gently and with understanding treat real symbols. But this does not apply only to Aurora. ” That is, for this "patriot" of Russia, the shed blood of Russian sailors while protecting their homeland does not apply to "real symbols"!

    There will always be some "Prokhorov" for which "Auroras" are not symbols. But Prokhorov rented what was rented out. The question is how to punish those who rented out the symbol of the state. And to prevent this from happening in the future.
    1. Wertynskiy
      Wertynskiy 20 November 2012 11: 51
      +5
      Quote: tan0472
      The question is how to punish those who leased the symbol of the state.

      I would raise the issue a little higher. it is necessary to call to account those with whom all these "prokhorovs" appeared
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: tan0472
      But Prokhorov rented what was rented out.

      Walking in the style of Prokhorov, it is immoral, although secular laws are not prohibited. The body, called honor and conscience, is apparently absent.
  8. Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. 20 November 2012 09: 17
    +8
    Author and article + ...
    I read it and ... it became sad and sad ...
    Quote: tan0472
    The question is how to punish those who leased the symbol of the state.
    So they punished. Look where Matvienko was "punished". We have a tradition of SO "punishing" ...
    What kind of patriotism ... what do you ... One WTO and TV, they say very eloquently (YEP !!!) for themselves. And also, Putin’s delight for the tolerance and strength of Russia at the expense of Gaster ...
    You can comment a lot and with eloquent "examples of patriotism" ... but to the point. It only hurts more.
    1. tan0472
      tan0472 20 November 2012 10: 06
      +4
      Quote: Z.A.M.
      You can comment a lot and with eloquent "examples of patriotism" ... but to the point. It only hurts more

      And what's the use? Water grinds the stone.
      Only more painful? Brace yourself! Comrade, believe, she will rise ... smile
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 20 November 2012 11: 16
        +12
        tan0472
        Quote: tan0472
        Comrade, believe, she will rise ...

        Believe, of course, you can ... Even - as long as you like ...
        And meanwhile: “Just a few days ago, on November 14 of this year, at a meeting in Novo-Ogaryovo, President Putin spoke in favor of the idea of ​​moving the Supreme Arbitration Court, the Supreme Court and the Judicial Department under the Supreme Court to St. Petersburg. Following this, Vladimir Kozhin, the president’s permanent manager, announced a preliminary estimate of the planned relocation of officials (50 billion rubles) and the project implementation period - 2-2,5 years. "
        What does patriotism have to do with it, ask? Yes, all this:
        1. "We are talking about at least 50 billion rubles, which is 2 times higher than the federal government's expenditures on environmental protection (2013 billion rubles) envisaged in the draft budget for 2015-24,9, which is being approved by the State Duma, and is comparable to financing of physical culture and sports (51,2 billion rubles). "
        2. "Moreover, the cost of moving ships to the city on the Neva is practically comparable to half of the total federal government spending on the judicial system in 2012 - 117 billion rubles."
        3. “Even the current estimate of expenditures, artificially lowered for the purpose of political correctness, which will almost certainly be increased by 1,5-2 times in the coming months during the process of relocation of judges, is only slightly inferior to the total federal budget spending on the media planned for 2013 (70,4, 91,3 billion rubles) and an objectively declining culture (XNUMX billion). "
        4. And the fact that the figure, 50 billion, will subsequently increase significantly, no one doubts: Sochi-2014, APEC Summit-2012, St. Petersburg Stadium, etc.
        5. "Recall that according to the draft budget prepared by the ideological successor of Kudrin by the current head of the Ministry of Finance Anton Siluanov, unanimously supported by the ruling party of" obedient silence "and the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia who joined it, federal government spending on physical culture and sports is to be cut by 52%. by 44,2%, culture - by 13,1%, and environmental protection measures - by 10,2% .And at the same time, the ruling bureaucracy, which claims to "unconditionally fulfill social obligations", manages to find free funds (or rather to redirect released in connection with the reduction of budgetary financing of the social sphere, housing and communal services, education and the national economy) for the transportation of officials from Moscow to the city on the Neva. "
        Article "Moving ships - a feast during the plague", Vladislav Zhukovsky 20.11.2012

        These actions, of course lol look very patriotic.
        You can believe infinitely long ...
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 20 November 2012 12: 12
          +7
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          You can believe infinitely long ...

          What can I say ??? belay Is it possible to quote the words of the same V. Zhukovsky: "FEAST IN TIME OF PLAGUE"... recourse
  9. Fox
    Fox 20 November 2012 09: 20
    +8
    in my opinion, patriotism will be when the gallows with the above and lackeys decorate Tver ...
    1. Stary oper
      Stary oper 21 November 2012 00: 36
      -3
      Fox

      in my opinion, patriotism will be when the gallows with the above and lackeys decorate Tver ...

      If this is the face of modern Russian patriotism, then there is nothing to say ...
      1. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 21 November 2012 02: 12
        +2
        Quote: Stary oper
        If this is the face of modern Russian patriotism, then there is nothing to say ...

        Properties of the Old Opera: See the picture.
        1. Stary oper
          Stary oper 21 November 2012 02: 36
          -2
          OSTAP BENDER
          Yes, it's nice to see that the level of my opponents is limited at the level of agitation. At least you thought that the person who "goes where they will send" will never go against the point of view prevailing on the site. And, most importantly, she is not afraid to voice it. I understand that you tried to insult me ​​in a veiled form. :) But here's the thing ... And the point is that for me your opinion of me, as a person, is not important at all. And this is no offense. The opinion of those people whom I really respect is important to me. I don’t know if I clearly explained this to you? :)
          1. OSTAP BENDER
            OSTAP BENDER 21 November 2012 02: 49
            +3
            Quote: Stary oper
            a person who "will go where they will send"
            1. Stary oper
              Stary oper 21 November 2012 03: 02
              -2
              Yes ... Comrade, as they say, does not understand. :) Are you working for my popularity on the site? :)
              And now let's work together on the quality of the campaign. Good? And then she is somewhat weak. Firstly, as I understand it, this leg personifies my opponents who are ready to light a peace pipe with me? So, why is there one leg? This indicates a certain disability ... Is not it? :) And such a leg ... How would I say this? Lumpenskaya, I would say a bum ... :) Well, you can’t serve nationalists in this form. This kind of mass will not lead. :)
              1. OSTAP BENDER
                OSTAP BENDER 21 November 2012 03: 15
                +2
                Quote: Stary oper
                Working for my popularity on the site?

                ...... and you speak for popularity ?!
                ....... maybe Sobchak ?!
                1. Stary oper
                  Stary oper 21 November 2012 12: 21
                  -1
                  OSTAP BENDER
                  You are funny, right. And if only this, judging by the loss of the conversation. :)
  10. Soldier
    Soldier 20 November 2012 09: 34
    +20
    A little more about patriotism and symbols. I don’t impose my opinion, but I would like to see the RED BANNER of the GREAT VICTORY over the Kremlin, and not the Vlasov-Yeltsin tricolor .. (UH ... Wait, history buffs, they will throw shoes with slippers)
    1. akjn4
      akjn4 20 November 2012 10: 02
      +9
      +. Many have such a desire.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 20 November 2012 10: 45
      +9
      Quote: Armeec
      A little more about patriotism and symbols. I don’t impose my opinion, but I would like to see the RED BANNER of the GREAT VICTORY over the Kremlin, and not the Vlasov-Yeltsin tricolor .. (UH ... Wait, history buffs, they will throw shoes with slippers)

      I agree with you.
    3. Fox 070
      Fox 070 20 November 2012 11: 08
      +10
      Quote: Armeec
      UH ... Wait, lovers of history, throw slippers

      Zae ... sorry; Tortured to throw !!! There is always something to throw in the "return". drinks
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 20 November 2012 11: 49
        +8
        No, we will not throw out the tricolor.
        We will wrap in it those of whom the Fox has written above ... about Tverskaya.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 30
          -1
          Quote: Igarr
          No, we will not throw out the tricolor.
          You shouldn’t be so guys ...
          1. Stary oper
            Stary oper 21 November 2012 00: 39
            -2
            Uncle.
            These are not "guys". These are modern Russian nationalists. That is to say - their real face.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 21 November 2012 00: 49
              -1
              Quote: Stary oper
              So to speak - their real face.
              Ivanes who do not remember kinship ...
              1. Stary oper
                Stary oper 21 November 2012 01: 06
                -2
                Uncle.
                It's not even that they are "Ivans who do not remember kinship." These are people striving for power in Russia. And this site is one of the places where they recruit their followers, using the old Bolshevik principle: "The worse the better ..."
    4. yustas
      yustas 20 November 2012 11: 30
      +8
      I agree with you comrades =) +
      This is not even the banner of the state, but the Banner of the Great Victory and Great Feat of Our Grandfathers, Fathers, Mothers and Grandmothers, who took out on their hump and built what we all use now, that's who the patriot is!
      Not for Stalin, nor for the USSR; no, they fought for the MOTHERLAND! Just as Stalingrad is not the city of Stalin, but the city of Heroism of the people who fought in it, do not confuse honey with sugar ...
      And you can always send fans of slippers and caps to tanks, let them train there.
    5. dusha233
      dusha233 20 November 2012 18: 18
      -9
      And to throw Lenin off Victory Square !!
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 20 November 2012 23: 03
        -3
        Quote: dusha233
        And to throw Lenin off Victory Square !!
        Precisely, to bury, as befits any baptized person.
  11. baltika-18
    baltika-18 20 November 2012 09: 49
    +11
    They do not have the goals of patriotic education, these are just words. They have a goal-moral decomposition of society, to turn people into a herd, make the bulk of cattle, everything is subject to this, starting with textbooks at school, the degradation of education, night clubs with drugs, the introduction into the consciousness of the thought that money can do everything that is good for you, and do not care about the rest. Such a herd is easy to manage.
  12. akjn4
    akjn4 20 November 2012 10: 00
    +12
    Patriotism from officials is a desire to inspire slaves to free labor for the good of capitalism. Not more.
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 20 November 2012 14: 14
      +3
      Quote worthy expression "+"
      Quote: akjn4

      Patriotism from officials is a desire to inspire slaves to free labor for the good of capitalism.
  13. hommer
    hommer 20 November 2012 10: 02
    +13
    Patriotism is inculcated in childhood, especially in the family.
    Are we often interested in what our children watch on TV?
    1. urzul
      urzul 20 November 2012 10: 10
      +6
      http://www.karusel-tv.ru/schedule/
      Children's state channel, no "come in large numbers". Especially moronic sponge Bob
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 November 2012 13: 53
        +5
        Quote: urzul
        Children's state channel, no "come in large numbers". Especially moronic sponge Bob
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 20 November 2012 10: 13
      +5
      hommer

      The picture smiled, +
    3. 46bob46
      46bob46 20 November 2012 12: 12
      +2
      The issue of education. My 19 and 17 years old are watching geography and discovery when they generally sit down in a box. And so they say there’s nothing to watch at all. And I believe them.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 20 November 2012 13: 20
        +4
        Quote: 46bob46
        The issue of education. My 19 and 17 years old are watching geography and discovery when they generally sit down in a box. And so they say there’s nothing to watch at all. And I believe them.

        Mine 23, the TV does not watch at all.
    4. Goodmen
      Goodmen 20 November 2012 12: 40
      +3
      A-ah-ah !!! Now our cartoons are being censored !!! They will not be shown in full, only with cut fragments. "Three from yogurt", "Well, wait a minute", etc.
      It remains to drink Coke, eat hamburgers and stupidly under a moronic cat with a crazy mouse ... or climb into the attic for a three-ruler? : ((((
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 20 November 2012 13: 46
        +6
        Quote: Goodmen
        Now censorship is being introduced to our cartoons!


        Cartoons with cartoons. It's a shame when they think that the wolf smokes (this is from "Well, wait a minute!"), And in advertising intervals they show half-naked women.

        So the smoking wolf, which half of the population watched and will watch, only because Papanov voices that wolf is bad, and to advertise "plugs" is normal.

        Okay, huh? And you can also "censor" how Morgunov stomps his cigarette butts in "Prisoner of the Caucasus", and during advertising show perfume where the same half-naked woman jumps.

        Okay, huh? And examples of such ............ I have them. ............ "Prisoner of the Caucasus" again. Remember the plot near the beer barrel? - To live well! A good life is even better! Also "censor". And then, with such an approach, the "Caucasian Captive" can not be broadcast at all as sheer immorality. What? Nikulin, remember sitting on the branches, something flew into his eye there and he got out with a "fugue", remember? Propaganda of violence - to censor.

        "Three from Prostokvashino" is generally a difficult case. How can a child be called - Uncle Fedor? How does this Uncle Fyodor talk to animals? Gribov ate something? Censor. ........... And I, by the way, grew up on these cartoons. HOW TO CENSOR THEM ????????????

        Uncle Fedor - bad, half-naked woman - good.

        Finally, atas.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 20 November 2012 14: 00
          +3
          Quote: Vanek
          Cartoons with cartoons. It's a shame when they think that the wolf smokes (this is from "Well, wait a minute!"), And in advertising intervals they show half-naked women.
          Speak the truth !!!
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 20 November 2012 14: 03
            +2
            Quote: Uncle
            Speak the truth !!!


            Thank! The fact remains.
  14. ded_73
    ded_73 20 November 2012 10: 19
    +9
    Party of Regions and United Russia are twin brothers. Trust them - do not respect yourself.
    1. akjn4
      akjn4 20 November 2012 10: 28
      +3
      There are many twins in the Duma wink
  15. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 20 November 2012 11: 04
    +2
    You don’t have to go far for examples, just read Russian history.
  16. Averias
    Averias 20 November 2012 11: 57
    +17
    I’m not much in vain and I will describe in confusion that for me patriotism and unity. But anyway.
    Patriotism for me (I do not take global things) is: Demonstrations on May 1 and nothing that the people are screwed up, but there is no anger, no fights (which cannot be said about today's rallies, marches, etc. This is a collection of money (aid) to the unknown peoples of Africa , this is work in 3 shifts (it is necessary that it is necessary), this is the selfless help of a neighbor to a neighbor. These are keys under the rug, this is when not familiar people can invite you to visit you. This is donating blood (not for a day off and a coupon) but because someone this blood will save. This is when they take off the "last shirt" with the words yes I can manage somehow, someone needs it more. This is when a smile and a kind word are answered in the same way (and not sent to ...., and are not mistaken for gay) This is when someone's grief is perceived as personal, and everyone is trying to help. ”And a lot of other things, which are so few now.
    1. FID
      FID 20 November 2012 12: 16
      +4
      THANKS !! +++
    2. 46bob46
      46bob46 20 November 2012 12: 18
      +3
      Unfortunately, many began to understand this only after surviving the 90s and surviving to this time.
      Close elbow ,,,
    3. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 20 November 2012 12: 21
      +2
      Averias

      Of course, all this can not be returned ...
      But I - FOR! + To you. drinks
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 20 November 2012 15: 49
        +2
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Of course, you can’t return all this

        We must live to fight and try to get it all back. But the main thing is to believe that it will be so, to believe with your heart, killing the lies and fear in yourself.
  17. Goodmen
    Goodmen 20 November 2012 12: 51
    +3
    I think that in this situation, all the bureaucrats’ statements about patriotism are for gaining political points in order to reign longer ... release of steam, so to speak ...
    It remains only to instill in children a sense of patriotism.
  18. Vanek
    Vanek 20 November 2012 13: 01
    +6
    From the USA - slagdonalds .................

    From Europe - Geyparads ...................

    From China - consumer goods ..............

    WHERE IS YOURSELF? ? ? There was patriotism, there was everything. There were neither slag donalds, but dumplings. There were no game parades, but just parades, demonstrations there ... There was no consumer goods, but a hosiery factory in Ivanovo.

    The words are not half of ours. - Give me fresh. .......... What the hell are you fresh ??? Go to the forest and drink fresh birch! If you can get it. The most that neither is the freshest. Half of the words are covered up. It’s not worse when the native language is tricked.

    In general, I’ll tell you so, a negative example is also an example, it shows how you can’t do it.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 20 November 2012 13: 35
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      Worse when the mother tongue is distorted.

      It’s especially offensive for the Russian language, such garbage was before the attack of Napoleon, Russian was considered a black language, the hero of the war of 1812 Denis Davydov was mistaken for peasants as a Frenchman, and only when he hung the icon of Nicholas the Wonderworker on his neck, he passed for his own.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 20 November 2012 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: Uncle
        such garbage was


        We are resting in the bowling alley, I call the waiter: - And where do you have billiards here? Do you know what he answered? You will fall right now: - Go to the reception. And I have a Toka-Toka brother from prison. And my brother heard the "reception" behind the entot. What was, what was .........

        And the rest, yes, as they want to distort.
  19. vaddy72
    vaddy72 20 November 2012 13: 05
    +5
    Like their Kazakh Petropavlovsk, a delegation of Russian women came to this Matvienko when she was still in the Kremlin. They asked not to stop funding the only Russian school that remained in the city with a Russian education program. To which Mativienko answered them: what kind of Russians are you, those who wanted to — left from there, and you, since you didn’t leave, are Kazakhs. Pour into your Petropavlovsk. Thus, she recorded almost five million Kazakhstani Russians abandoned by Russia in Kazakhs. The school, of course, was eliminated ..
  20. aleksey
    aleksey 20 November 2012 15: 40
    +2
    a couple of weeks ago on TV showed a small story with the commander of the Navy Chirkov. He was asked about Aurora, to which he assured that both Aurora and another ship (I don’t remember my name in Vladivostok) remain in the Navy, the staff on the maintenance of the fleet ..
  21. vadimN
    vadimN 20 November 2012 15: 49
    +10
    My friends, I read your comments and am surprised! Did any of the sane people still believe in the old tales that our tsar is good, but the boyars let us down ...? Gone are those fabulous times, and the current "tsar" is not Peter the Great, and not even Alexander the Third.
    All the crap happening in our country comes from the will and desire of the first person. And all the hype advocating for patriotism or the fight against corruption is nothing more than a background noise designed to cover up the ears of simpletons from the people.
    Officialdom finally formed into a separate class with its global interests, and the supreme ruler (no matter the first or second of the tandem) actively nurtures this class and relies on it.
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 20 November 2012 20: 51
      +3
      vadimN

      One of the few sober and reasonable comments!
      Ready to subscribe to every word!
      Well done, Vadim! I put the fattest plus!
      As already tired of the hypocrisy and personally of the autocrat and his retinue.
      What kind of patriotism can people who sell national interests talk about?
      Territories and waters of the Chinese and Norwegians, guilty pleas for the Katyn tragedy. TV, the media are sowing debauchery, House 2 is still alive ...?!, The education system is a direct path to the debilitation of the nation ...
      You can still list the facts for a long time.
      By the way, the jingoistic patriots are also doing a "disservice", knowingly or not realizing that they are complicit in the standardization of Russia according to Western patterns.
      Personally, I want to see Russia as the USSR-2.
      Do not believe the words of the first persons, and the second and tenths, judge by deeds ...
      One hope for morally healthy families ...
      1. ole
        ole 20 November 2012 23: 52
        0
        That's right, the patriot grows society, the elite sets the vector of development for society, while our vector is enriched as much as possible and it all went to .... and when the society condemns it and reproaches greed, then patriotism will begin to grow.
  22. baltika-18
    baltika-18 20 November 2012 16: 56
    +2
    Quote: vadimN
    Really someone from sane people still believed in old tales that our king is good, but the boyars let us down ...

    Of course not, Vadim. When I think about the bosses from the authorities, every time for some reason a picture is drawn in my brain: a herd of pigs guzzling from a feeder under the guidance of an impudent, cunning boar.
  23. George
    George 20 November 2012 18: 23
    +3
    It seems to me that it’s hard for our government to decide on role models. Although there are many examples, the heroes just do not need power now. But thanks to the wide field of information exchange, they will not be able to hide the true state of things: the fact that our soldiers are brave and courageous, and do their duty despite no matter what.
    Aurora's shot was the beginning of a new era, but his heroic past (one of the few ships that could break through the Japanese trap) should remain with us anyway.
    And as for the Heroes of the Chechen war, one might think that the authorities adhere to Eltsin’s policy: they do not give a damn about and complain about their heroes.
  24. in reserve
    in reserve 20 November 2012 19: 10
    +1
    As long as there are at least 50 people on this site, it means that patriotism is alive in Russia, that means these 50 people will raise their children in the same vein, so it’s not so bad, that’s why we will fight with the enemies of Russia, that means the power will stand! And how many of us there are not here.
  25. Owl
    Owl 20 November 2012 19: 32
    +2
    VVP knows how to speak beautifully: about his love for the Motherland, about Patriotism, about the need to "find" a job for Serdyuk. Words, words, and what kind of work is being done? since 1985, there has been no noticeable work or real deeds on the education of patriots of the Motherland. Everything that is being done now, is being done by People, it is being done independently, the "power" can only speak. Example: in our Detachment (special forces unit), with children (about 10 people), two clergymen arrived, so the work on patriotic education was once again carried out, showed the monument to the dead, conducted training in fighting, gave the opportunity to shoot from several samples of weapons. And no decisions of the "authorities" are required for this.
  26. Egoza
    Egoza 20 November 2012 20: 26
    +4
    Sorry for the small repost

    We take out the poem I.V. Stalin, written by him in 18 years.
    This poem characterizes the true morality and inner aspirations of young Joseph Dzhugashvili.
    After reading this poem, we suggest that visitors to the site reflect on whether the young man in whose heart such lines were born could become the bloodthirsty tyrant whom all the “Trotskyists” and “democratizers” represent Stalin? Indeed, in youthful years (16 - 20 years), a person finally forms the worldview, the "foundation" with which the young man, growing up, goes on through life.
    Editorial office

    He walked from house to house,
    Knocking at other people's doors
    With an old oak panduri
    With a simple song of his own.

    In his tune and in the song
    How the sunbeam is clear
    The great truth sounded -
    Sublime dream.

    Hearts turned to stone
    He knew how to make him fight.
    Many woke up his mind,
    Dozing in deep darkness.

    But people who have forgotten God
    Keeping darkness in the heart
    A full bowl of poison
    Presented to him.

    They said: "Damn you!
    Drink, drain to the bottom!
    And your song is alien to us
    And your truth is not needed! "

    Translation from Georgian
    xxxxxxx

    This was written by a patriot and a man of Faith, and Cause, and Devotion.
    1. Stary oper
      Stary oper 21 November 2012 01: 45
      -1
      Egoza
      At your leisure, read the book "Twenty Letters to a Friend" by Svetlana Alliluyeva. Maybe you will learn something new for yourself about Stalin's personality ... Otherwise, you have such a romantic young man. I would like to know the source, where is this poem taken from? Did he publish it somewhere? Or found in Stalin's archives? Or is this poem cited in the memoirs of a person who knew him closely?
      And then sprinkle such a rhyme - about ten minutes. Maybe his admirers did their best to create a romantic image of the leader and attract romantic young ladies to his worship, for a change? :)
      1. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 21 November 2012 02: 21
        +4
        Quote: Stary oper
        And then sprinkle such a rhyme - about ten minutes.
        And how do you like such a rhyme!
        It's time to understand - for them we are goyim,
        It's time to understand - for them we are cattle,
        And we all grumble, grumble: "What is it?"
        And we all think: "We are just unlucky!"

        We all regret: "They chose the wrong one!"
        There will be elections, so we will choose "that"
        We do not know that the bandits calculated:
        Kagal everything, the Slavs - nothing.

        We are delirious, with our eyes closed,
        We chew all the fables of democracy ...
        Laughing with them, crying with their tears
        We recklessly shackle ourselves forging.

        Come to your senses, Slav, break the bonds of slavery!
        All games with Satan are deadly!
        To raise the state from dust,
        Drive the filthy with a strong broom.

        Nikolay Bogolyubov
        1. Stary oper
          Stary oper 21 November 2012 02: 47
          -4
          OSTAP BENDER
          Are you interested in my opinion? Disgusting in essence. And wrong in content. Are you fascinated by the delights of nationalism? Incitement to ethnic hatred? Me - no. By the way, I completely share the position of the Russian authorities on closing access to Internet resources that propagandize extremism as well. Because for multinational Russia, such calls are a path to self-destruction. And here "the machinations of the Anglo-Saxons and Jews" will not be needed. Again civil war, blood and the collapse of the country.
          1. OSTAP BENDER
            OSTAP BENDER 21 November 2012 03: 04
            +1
            Quote: Stary oper
            Again, civil war, blood and the collapse of the country.
            This is such a scenario, are you preparing Russia ?! A little blood you shed in Palestine, so did you come up with such a scenario for Russia !?
            1. Stary oper
              Stary oper 21 November 2012 03: 11
              -2
              OSTAP BENDER
              Do you know me so well? :) Yes, stop talking with slogans.
              I grieve you - not a Jew. You do not need to know more.
              1. OSTAP BENDER
                OSTAP BENDER 21 November 2012 03: 20
                +2
                Quote: Stary oper
                I grieve you - not a Jew.
                So are you half-breed ?!
                1. Stary oper
                  Stary oper 21 November 2012 13: 17
                  -1
                  OSTAP BENDER
                  As one old joke says: "Well, yes ... Now I will give up all my business and run to buy you a ball ..." :)
    2. Viklis
      Viklis 21 November 2012 11: 12
      -1
      Quote: Egoza
      We take out the poem I.V. Stalin, written by him in 18 years.
      This poem characterizes the true morality and inner aspirations of young Joseph Dzhugashvili.

      Oh, how much “everything” has been “taken” to the Internet, unfortunately, not only reliable .... Whoever the Muse has not visited: both Stalin and Mao, Ivan the Terrible, she didn’t go past Berezovsky yearning for the Fatherland ... In the end, the speech not about writing, not writing, and not even about the true authorship of the written, but about the fact that only a few poetic lines hardly need to make definitive conclusions about the psychological portrait of those who wrote them. (Sorry, for example, Chikatilo was a Russian teacher language and literature, and the best dad in the world, according to his son. An example is simple ... only psychology is extremely complex and contradictory ...) And the given poem, if it speaks of anything, then, in my opinion, about the author’s obsession with overvalued ideas . The question is how he achieved and embodied these ideas ... For humane purposes, the methods were too inhuman ...
  27. wax
    wax 20 November 2012 20: 32
    +1
    It is impossible to instill patriotism against the background of the unprecedented in the history of Russia and the USSR plundering of national wealth. The task for the ruling oligarchy is impossible in principle, because when a feeling of patriotism arises, patriotism will inevitably raise the question of social justice.
    "We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation, united by a common destiny on our land, affirming human rights and freedoms, civil peace and harmony, preserving the historically established state unity, proceeding from the universally recognized principles of equality and self-determination of peoples, honoring the memory of our ancestors who transmitted love and respect to us to the Fatherland, faith in goodness and justice, reviving the sovereign statehood of Russia and affirming the inviolability of its democratic basis, striving to ensure the well-being and prosperity of Russia, proceeding from responsibility for our Motherland before the present and future generations, recognizing ourselves as a part of the world community, we accept the CONSTITUTION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. "
  28. wax
    wax 20 November 2012 20: 55
    +5
    Constitution of 1936 (Stalin):
    ARTICLE 3. All power in the USSR belongs to the working people of the city and village, represented by the Soviets of Workers' Deputies.
    ARTICLE 6. Land, its subsoil, waters, forests, factories, factories, mines, mines, railway, water and air transport, banks, communication facilities, large agricultural enterprises organized by the state (state farms, tractor stations, etc.), and also utilities and the main housing stock in cities and industrial centers are state property, that is, the public domain.
    ARTICLE 8. The land occupied by collective farms is assigned to them for free and unlimited use, that is, forever.
    ARTICLE 9. Along with the socialist system of economy, which is the dominant form of economy in the USSR, the law permits the small private economy of individual peasants and handicraftsmen, based on personal labor and excluding the exploitation of other people's labor.
    ARTICLE 10. The right of personal property of citizens to their labor income and savings, to a residential building and auxiliary household, to household items and household items, to personal consumption and amenities, as well as the right to inherit personal property of citizens, are protected by law.
  29. Su24
    Su24 20 November 2012 21: 09
    0
    A little pretentious article)) But you need to sound the alarm! We are not one of those who demand more liberalism, but of those who demand more patriotism.
  30. Alf
    Alf 20 November 2012 22: 31
    +4
    Prokhorov has one BAX symbol, and for his sake he will not stop at nothing.
    Okak patriotism can argue Putin, if he and his lackeys drive a Mercedes?
  31. georg737577
    georg737577 21 November 2012 02: 37
    -1
    Quote: yustas
    Aurora is a symbol of revolution and communism.

    Religious fanatics are worse than revolutionaries and communists.
  32. vadimN
    vadimN 21 November 2012 10: 35
    +1
    But from our government another example of the education of patriotism, a sense of duty and justice.

    Read the article on RBC and you will understand: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/21/11/2012/826028.shtml