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First Marine Corps Air Base Receives F-35B

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Yesterday, November 16 in 13: local time 05 at Hume air base, pcs. Arizona took place landing the first of the F-35B - BF-19. During the flight from the factory airfield of Lockheed Martin Corporation, in the cockpit was KMP major Eric Lieberman.

Preparations for the deployment of training "Lightning II" on the basis of Hume were conducted throughout the year, in particular in the fall, one of the first to install the latest simulators. After acceptance, next week the aircraft will join the squadron of the VMFA-121 "Green Knights" 3 of its wing of the Marine Corps - the first "normal" combat unit received F-35 among all the arms. In the coming years, the squadron will focus on retraining personnel and pilots for a new aircraft.


This is a very significant event: F-35 moves from service in special centers to service on conventional air bases - before the end of the year the Air Force also joins, their training takes place at Nellis airbase in Nevada, the house of the Aggressors, pilots of Thunderbirds and one of the main schools US Air Force. It is significant that the marines did not even wait for the official announcement of the results of the inspection to verify the safety of operating the aircraft.

In the future, Hume will become one of the largest F-35 bases in the country: five combat squadrons of 16 aircraft in each and one test and training of 8 aircraft will be deployed.
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  1. Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 November 2012 10: 57
    +1
    Really finished the plane? Or will the story with the Raptor be repeated?
    1. Retx
      Retx 19 November 2012 11: 05
      +1
      Time will tell
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 19 November 2012 11: 18
      +3
      It is interesting that invisibility: the F-35 will really only be possible if the pilot does not turn on his own radar - it is this device that can give out the location of the aircraft. But without it, the F-35 pilot can find out about his discovery already in the next world.
      1. Perch_xnumx
        Perch_xnumx 19 November 2012 12: 48
        +2
        There is no complete invisibility. The greatest invisibility in the forehead, with the radar turned off and in silent mode. But if in a lateral projection. A new generation of radars can easily level all stealth technologies, being installed on a conventional aircraft.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 19 November 2012 12: 52
          +4
          There were reports that two or three of our radars installed at the "corners of the triangle" calculate any stealth. I don’t remember the details, there’s something connected with different radar frequencies.
          1. urzul
            urzul 19 November 2012 12: 58
            +6
            New missiles are, of course, a serious threat, but for stealth aircraft, radar systems pose a much greater danger. The current generation of Russian engineers has breathed new, deadly life into the design of radars operating in the meter range. These radars have existed since the 1970's, but together with powerful computers their capabilities are so expanded that such a system is able to extract useful information from a stochastic data stream. The weakest reflections of the meter radar signals, which were previously perceived only as background noise and interference, now, after computer processing, represent a completely reliable source of information.

            “Radars operating in the meter range are capable of detecting aircraft built using Stealth technology,” the head of the scientific and technical information department of the NNIIRT (Nizhny Novgorod Research Institute of Radio Engineering, currently part of the Concern, said at the MILEX-2007 military exhibition in Minsk) Air defense “Almaz-Antey” ”) Victor Ozherelyev. “The Americans have already realized that the program for building stealth aircraft did not produce the intended results.” Most experts believe that this is a strong exaggeration, but there is a certain basis for such a statement.

            The interaction between radar and aircraft is a matter of physics. Aircraft built using Stealth technology are shaped so that the waves coming from the radar scatter to the sides and do not return to the receiver. However, different radars operate at different frequencies. By increasing the frequency of the radar signal, we reduce the wavelength, and the shorter it is, the more informative the returning signal will be and the higher the resolution.

            Aircraft designers developed an invisible aircraft with the expectation that it would be inconspicuous for radars operating in the centimeter X-band (8 – 12 GHz). It is it that is used by most air defense systems, since centimeter waves provide a compromise between range and resolution, which is necessary for identifying and guiding the target. But if invisible planes fall into the meter’s radar beam, the reflection towards the receiver can be much stronger.

            For this reason, air defense systems must have several radars of different types, aimed at the same airspace, but at different angles. For example, for an air defense system that protects an object (for example, a uranium enrichment plant), it would be optimal to collect data from a whole network of radars spaced around the neighborhood that provide enough information for guiding missiles. Radar operating in the meter band (VHF, 30 – 300 MHz) is capable of detecting an approaching aircraft, while radars operating at higher frequencies of the S (2 – 4 GHz) or L (1 – 2 GHz) radars can meanwhile target from the flanks. It is precisely these anti-aircraft missile systems that Russia is selling - ready-made.

            Such integrated air defense systems, as they are called in the Pentagon, significantly complicate the actions of the attacker. It is assumed that they will become the primary target of invisible aircraft strikes. However, at the same time, the “invisibles” themselves face a serious threat. “The rapid growth of computer capacities leads to the development of new sensors and new methods, which in the future will greatly complicate the realization of all the advantages of the Stealth design. In the face of new and increasingly sophisticated detection systems, the struggle for the invisibility of our aircraft will require more serious investment in their next generations. ” This is the opinion of Admiral Jonathan Greenert, Commander-in-Chief of Naval Operations, published in the journal of the United States Naval Institute Proceedings for July 2012.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 19 November 2012 13: 02
              +1
              In-in, it is the most!
              1. crazyrom
                crazyrom 19 November 2012 19: 11
                +1
                Right now, when they transferred the plane to the army, they’ll climb the real limitations. The fact that the plane is clumsy is everyone already knows, but how the military will take it, ooooh, there will be yelling!
                1. Gluxar
                  Gluxar 19 November 2012 21: 41
                  -1
                  Most likely, little will come out; they are all sitting in the same boat. If they begin to drown heavily on the F-35 project, then their allies will finally refuse to purchase these aircraft. And given the fact that the United States itself is reducing the number of purchases, this will incredibly increase the cost of the entire project in terms of unit. As a result, they will receive Harrier 2 with a new avionics and very expensive paint.
          2. ism_ek
            ism_ek 19 November 2012 13: 23
            -3
            Only while the plane flies into the center of this triangle will the radars be destroyed. Russian aviation and without stealth Georgian radars destroyed in two days.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 19 November 2012 13: 25
              +1
              It’s not necessary to fly into the center. Such a system also works outside the triangle.
            2. crazyrom
              crazyrom 19 November 2012 19: 16
              +1
              And you haven’t heard about such people, huh?
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 19 November 2012 19: 26
                +1
                I heard, but if my memory serves me right, they work in the long wavelength range (yes, exactly - meter and decimeter) and are intended primarily for tracking missile launches and missiles at a great distance, including in space. Use such a thing to detect stealth ... well, I don’t even know what to say ...
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2012 11: 44
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak

      Really finished the plane? Or will the story with the Raptor be repeated?

      Whether or not this was supplemented is their problem, but even if you are right they deliver aircraft, and we again have short deliveries .................... The Russian Air Force received only 16 of the latest Su-34 front-line bombers instead of 26 planned under the state defense order. They are produced by Sukhoi Company OJSC and Chkalov Novosibirsk Aviation Production Association (NAPO). As a representative of the military-industrial complex, familiar with the situation, told Izvestia, the plan was disrupted due to late deliveries of radar stations (radars) Ш141 for them manufactured by the Leninets Holding Company in St. Petersburg. But for export everything is done on time and without delays and problems am ....................
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 19 November 2012 11: 52
        +4
        Yes, not that shortages .... We have not enough supplies. You can of course nod that it is all new and the production cycle is not fully debugged, but ... 26 planned!!! Su-24 is a good plane, but everything has its own time! I would not want to see another accident again, where any part again flew off ... (and it was necessary to check the plane SO that the fairing flew off ... atas in general.)
        In bulk, Chezh we are arming a foreign land, but for ourselves figs, yes a little ... Still these freaks from mines. defense ... tell me, WHY (?????) them such apartments and heaps of dough in cardboard boxes in the corners ??????? Though kill, I do not see the point in such hoarding.
        1. PLO
          PLO 19 November 2012 12: 06
          +2
          but ... 26 planned !!!

          this year they were supposed to deliver, not just

          but do not fuss at all, for the source of Izvestia

          here by the way Ш141

          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 19 November 2012 12: 11
            +3
            Yes, I just didn’t finish that this year. But the Su-34 is made on the basis of the Su-27, therefore, the readjustment of production is not so big.
            1. PLO
              PLO 19 November 2012 12: 17
              +1
              actually, NAPO never produced a Su-27, only a Su-24
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 19 November 2012 12: 24
                0
                Yes, but the equipment for the production of this type of aircraft does not need to be reinvented! As for example with the T-50: everything is new there, a glider, assembly technology, etc.
                1. PLO
                  PLO 19 November 2012 12: 28
                  +2
                  well after all if believe the source, the only problem is the supply of radars, which by the way have never been exported
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 19 November 2012 12: 36
                    +1
                    Yeah, that’s where the doubts prevail ... What the x ...?
                2. Ustin
                  Ustin 19 November 2012 13: 49
                  +2
                  Here you are wrong, the Novosibirsk people had to start up again, and a lot had to be done anew, including assembly technology and other things, such as welding in a vacuum, etc. The fact that they were able to enter the series was the merit of the collective and the then management of the enterprise together with the OKB. Otherwise it would be another demonstrator, like "Berkut".
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 19 November 2012 17: 02
                    +3
                    Quote: Ustin
                    Novosibirsk had to start up again, and a lot had to be done anew, including assembly technology


                    Irkutsk categorical drinks

                    I must say a huge thank you to the then leadership for everything and most importantly, that they did not "reform" the equipment and technologies for 15 years of "break" ..... otherwise it would have turned out like with the Tu-160 m in Kazan!

                    And so .... goes quietly .... soldier

                    1. PLO
                      PLO 19 November 2012 17: 18
                      +1
                      Greetings, Sergey.

                      after all, our planes are the most beautiful in the world, at least looking at the F-35, I have associations with a pregnant cow, even if it fully performs its tasks

                      By the way, a couple of days in the topic about L-15 Sergey (SSI) said that all MiG-29 plan to upgrade to MiG-29SMT.
                      Do you know how many airplanes have already been modernized, and what is modernization regarding avionics?


                      Aircraft MiG-29UB (type "9-53", tail number "139"). The second prototype PAK FA (T-50-2) is visible in the background. Zhukovsky, November 2012 (c) Vyacheslav Babaevsky / russianplanes.net
                      1. VAF
                        VAF 19 November 2012 17: 48
                        0
                        Quote: olp
                        still our planes are the most beautiful in the world



                        I have the same opinion, although the adversaries have beautiful cars, +! wink

                        Quote: olp
                        Sergei (SSI) said that all MiG-29s plan to upgrade to MiG-29SMT.


                        He said absolutely correctly, but not all, but those who are from 9-15 and above, and for example the Domnenskys no longer here .. "get" ... it's cheaper to make a new one.


                        Quote: olp
                        Aircraft MiG-29UB (type "9-53", tail number "139").


                        To be clear .... (9-51 is our MiG-29UB), (9-52 is the "Alzhtrian" MiG-29UBT), well, 9-53 is already our modern twin MiG-29UBM ..... like this will be correct! wink

                        Here is (9-51) .... 9th Guards Iads. 73 .gv.iap .... later, after "reforming", it was distilled to Zernograd, and then ....... to Morozovsk, where it is now there.



                        Here (9-52) .... Kursk ....



                        Well, 9-53 ... you already. Posted drinks
                      2. PLO
                        PLO 19 November 2012 18: 04
                        +1
                        He said absolutely correctly, but not all, but those who are from 9-15 and above, and for example the Domnenskys no longer here .. "get" ... it's cheaper to make a new one.

                        But how many such (9-15 and higher) machines in the air force?
                        if I understand correctly, then 9-15 is a Mig-33 which did not go into production, 9-16 is a Mig-29SM, and 9-17 and above are already Mig-29SMT


                        To be clear .... (9-51 is our MiG-29UB), (9-52 is the "Alzhtrian" MiG-29UBT), well, 9-53 is already our modern twin MiG-29UBM ..... like this will be correct!

                        and are 9-53 new airplanes or unmanned and modernized 9-51?
                      3. VAF
                        VAF 19 November 2012 18: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: olp
                        But how many such (9-15 and higher) machines in the air force?


                        Oleg, I got a little excited, not 9-15, but from 9-14 .... + hi . how many of them I will not write to the Air Force. bully but ...... there will be a shock if you find out how many are in service! crying

                        Quote: olp
                        if I understand correctly, then 9-15 is a Mig-33 which did not go into production, 9-16 is a Mig-29SM, and 9-17 and above are already Mig-29SMT


                        not quite Mig-29S is 9-13C, Mig-29 SM is 9-14, but Mig-29M (Mig-33) is 9-15. further and further correctly 17,18.19 these are SMT-shki.

                        Quote: olp
                        and 9-53 are new planes


                        They say that they made a new one, although 9-51 easily "pass" through the CWR, and from the "Syrian" fittings they could "own" ... from M2 ... why the good ... to stand? bully
            2. Azovin
              Azovin 19 November 2012 14: 51
              -3
              SU 27 and SU 34 are completely different cars. And they have different bases and gliders
              1. PLO
                PLO 19 November 2012 15: 13
                +2
                Su-34 in his youth was called Su-27IB
                1. VAF
                  VAF 19 November 2012 16: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: olp
                  Su-34 in his youth was called Su-27IB


                  Oleg, he was not only so called +! but it was also made and designed entirely on the basis of the modernized Su-27 UB ..... on the first prototype Su-27IB (T-10V-1), a new cockpit and naturally new nose fairing were combined with the glider UB.

                  And under this "name" Su-27IB, he took to the air for the first time, under side number 42 fellow

      2. merkel1961
        merkel1961 19 November 2012 14: 49
        -1
        Load our aircraft-building capacities to the most "don't play", thereby limiting the supply of aircrafts to our Air Force - another tool for limiting the growth of Russia's defense capability. And how symbolic: Lieberman surpassed the first F-35v at AB Yuma, and the Su-34 at AB Baltimore / Voronezh / -Friedman. In translation, the same thing.
      3. VAF
        VAF 19 November 2012 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Dopilili or not it’s their problem, but even if you’re right they deliver planes, and again we have short deliveries


        Sanya, greetings! I agree with you completely ... anyway ... in spite of ... this is a new aircraft, which is already in production and goes into service ... and at what pace is it all done ... .. one can only envy, especially against the background of our current "revelations of ministers and ministries"! wassat

        The Marine Corps (KMP) forms the first U.S. military aviation combat squadron of F-35 supersonic stealth fighters in the F-35B variant with a short take-off and vertical landing at the base in Yuma, nctimes.com reports today.

        The first operational squadron will have a total of 16 combat aircraft, while they will be piloted by four pilots with flight clearance, the personnel is determined to be 300 people (now half of this composition is formed).
        By the end of this year, the number of trained pilots should reach 10-12.

        By December, the U.S. ILC expects to receive 17 fighters (this year contracts for the production of 38 F-35B have been concluded).

        In total, there will be 420 F-35 aircraft in the marine corps, including 67 versions of the F-35C (a total of 18 combat, two reserve and two training squadrons).

        Currently, Lockheed Martin has produced about 65 F-35 aircraft in all three versions, which flew in about 5000 hours.



        in the photo in the center (in the control panel) F-35B pilot instructor Major Eric Liberman (Aric Liberman)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 November 2012 16: 38
          0
          Quote: vaf
          . and at what pace this is all done .... we can only envy, especially against the background of our current "revelations of ministers and ministries"

          Hi Sergey, if you didn’t read the article on Su 34 news, the joke is that the planes are delivered to foreign buyers without delay, all on time and on time. And for the Homeland, and then for the Homeland request
          According to f 35, someone here yesterday said that the amers do not have these aircraft, I will not show with my finger wassat
          1. igor67
            igor67 19 November 2012 16: 45
            +1
            Alexander Romanov,
            Hi Romanovich, and I think that the Russian Pak fa, in those gold toilets and crown boxes that the FSB began to confiscate, and also looked at the information that they stole 15 mln when they were preparing to meet in your city,
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 November 2012 17: 02
              +1
              Quote: igor67
              and I think that the Russian Pak fa, in those gold toilets and crown boxes that the FSB began to confiscate

              Igor salute, well, an official cannot piss in a faience toilet with a zapadlo. You can't wash your hands without a golden tap, dumbly out of the ordinary. In fact, the FSB confiscated a hundredth of a percent, where the clone from which the boxes were taken into the ownership of another 50 apartments and office premises and this is only in Moscow. Abramovich is a beggar in comparison with our officials laughing
              Quote: igor67
              that they stole 15 mln when they were preparing to meet in your city,

              Igor, hush, this is classified information and it greatly affects the rating of United Russia, they asked not to advertise. wink Our past Governor Billion stole and transcribed to his wife, he was fired and appointed Minister wassat
              1. igor67
                igor67 19 November 2012 17: 11
                +3
                Alexander Romanov,
                So I read the assessment of the activities of the Comrade Minister from Defense, to comrade surnames that can not be called, the award for peace was organized especially positively competently, and you are a furniture maker No.
            2. VAF
              VAF 19 November 2012 17: 08
              +3
              Quote: igor67
              in those gold toilets and crown boxes


              Igor, welcome +! drinks If they "give", I emphasize .... if they "give" the go-ahead for a complete "opening" of all this, then whatever the boxes, and the cars will have to be adjusted to load the "dough" ... may well be. that there are not only PAK FA, but also Borei, and S-500, Armata, etc. etc.!!! bully
              1. VAF
                VAF 19 November 2012 17: 22
                +1
                Quote: vaf
                If they give, I emphasize.


                Oh ..... "wood grouses on the current" slapped and with minuses ??? Well, well ..... good luck wassat
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 November 2012 17: 33
                +1
                Quote: vaf
                If they "give", I emphasize .... if they "give" the go-ahead for a complete "opening" of this all, then whatever the boxes, and the wagons will have to be adjusted to load the "bubble"
                Well, something like this is "received" by our officials - modestly, but with taste feel
                1. VAF
                  VAF 19 November 2012 17: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Well, something like this is "received" by our officials - modestly, but with taste


                  And they are all small and small .... do not get drunk .. with ..... ki!

                  Yes, down there Igor was upset that the F-35 had no full-face frames on the video .... lol

                  We fill in, so to speak ... the gap .. +! wassat

                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 19 November 2012 19: 25
                    +2
                    Fucking in general
                  2. saturn.mmm
                    saturn.mmm 19 November 2012 20: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: vaf
                    We fill in, so to speak ... the gap .. +!

                    This is certainly impressive, though in the 80s in the USSR something like that was in the form of the Yak-141, I wanted to read your analysis of the flight characteristics of this machine? Sincerely.
                    1. Windbreak
                      Windbreak 20 November 2012 00: 01
                      0
                      the British in the late 60s, this nozzle was on an RB.153-61 engine
          2. VAF
            VAF 19 November 2012 17: 04
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            According to f 35, someone here yesterday said that the amers do not have these aircraft, I will not show with my finger


            Sanya and do not need to show .... IT is not worth it! + drinks
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 19 November 2012 19: 23
          0
          F-35B is generally an extremely interesting machine, extremely
    4. Gluxar
      Gluxar 19 November 2012 16: 28
      -3
      I strongly doubt that they completed it. Most likely they were simply afraid of the next refusals in purchasing this product. Not so long ago, the Italians reduced the order for these aircraft by a third, so they want to show what they finally completed. Wait and see how fate awaits this plane, although it looks nice, like a Peugeot 207.
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 19 November 2012 18: 29
      0
      Aircraft always finish, not one year
  2. Ppsh
    Ppsh 19 November 2012 10: 58
    +1
    They have a warm autumn ...
  3. afire
    afire 19 November 2012 11: 03
    0
    photographed .... bastards
  4. Manager
    Manager 19 November 2012 11: 14
    +3
    Beautiful birds. In my opinion, only Russian and American war birds deserve admiration for their appearance. Well, TTX can only be appreciated in practice. God forbid, of course.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 November 2012 11: 34
      +3
      In my opinion, the Raptor still claims to be beautiful, but here it is ... the pregnant Raptor female can be said ...
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 19 November 2012 11: 50
        0
        Everything depends on the angle from him - the 1st photo is handsome, the last link to the item is a monster laughing
        1. PLO
          PLO 19 November 2012 12: 09
          +1
          Everything depends on the angle from him - the 1st photo is handsome, the last link to the item is a monster

          IMHO, the F-35 doesn’t even help, the barrel-shaped freak he is, regardless of his characteristics
          1. Orksss
            Orksss 20 November 2012 00: 32
            +1
            IMHO, the F-35 doesn’t even help, the barrel-shaped freak he is


            I can not agree.

    2. Comrade1945
      Comrade1945 19 November 2012 14: 30
      0
      Well, don’t tell ... Raphaels are the same very nice looking
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 19 November 2012 20: 39
      +3
      Quote: Manager
      Beautiful birds.

      I also like penguins.
      Short take off.
  5. strannik595
    strannik595 19 November 2012 11: 17
    +6
    the dollar is not backed by gold, but it is backed by the F-35B and many other aircraft carriers ... well done, they know how to do what is needed for America, while our rear, defense service rats and other "Slavic" people's finances are diving through the caches good
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 November 2012 11: 22
      +1
      You are right about rats, but I would doubt about providing the dollar with airplanes and AUGs.
  6. Lissyara
    Lissyara 19 November 2012 11: 20
    +1
    "It is significant that the Marines did not even wait for the official announcement of the results of the inspection to verify the safety of the aircraft."
    We have already heard this somewhere. Aviation does not forgive mistakes. And according to our "Hurry - make people laugh".
    1. Gluxar
      Gluxar 19 November 2012 16: 35
      -1
      The economy requires a hurry. And so everyone abandons these aircraft, you need to have time to sell as much as possible until a competitor appears who immediately puts everything in its place.
      Although safety can never be neglected. I did not hear that the tests were over, then this news is most likely an advertising duck. the tests just go on elsewhere.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 November 2012 16: 42
        +1
        Quote: Gluxar
        And so everyone abandons these aircraft, you need to have time to sell as much as possible until a competitor appears who immediately puts everything in its place.

        And which competitor may appear, do not enlighten?
        Quote: Gluxar
        I did not hear that the tests were over, then this news is most likely an advertising duck. the tests just go on elsewhere.

        The aircraft was adopted by a combat unit, and this already speaks for itself request
        1. Gluxar
          Gluxar 19 November 2012 17: 08
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And which competitor may appear, do not enlighten?

          This is classified information; you cannot go to the premiere. Not allowed.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The aircraft was adopted by a combat unit, and this already speaks for itself

          The article refers to the fact that the plane landed at the base. Will be used as a training. I have never seen reports that the tests of the aircraft are completed. If you have, then enlighten everyone, please.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 November 2012 17: 37
            +1
            Quote: Gluxar
            This is classified information; you cannot go to the premiere. Not allowed

            Well, where am I, that's just because it’s not easier.
            Quote: Gluxar
            The article refers to the fact that the plane landed at the base. Will be used as a training. I have never seen reports that the tests of the aircraft are completed. If you have, then enlighten everyone, please.

            Yes, from the article ................... After acceptance, next week the aircraft will enter the VMFA-121 "Green Knights" squadron of the 3rd air wing of the Marine Corps - the first "normal" combat unit received the F-35 among all branches of the military. hi
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 19 November 2012 19: 26
          +1
          This is absolutely true, Sash.
      2. Orksss
        Orksss 20 November 2012 00: 55
        0
        And so everyone abandons these aircraft, you need to have time to sell as much as possible until a competitor appears who immediately puts everything in its place.

        Not one of the countries that signed contracts for the F-35 did not refuse it.
        A significant portion of European buyers have indeed reduced purchases - but what can be done. Crisis, no money.

        I did not hear that the tests were over, then this news is most likely an advertising duck. the tests just go on elsewhere.

        You also have not heard that gradually the training of pilots and technicians has been going on since the end of summer. This is done in order to have thousands of trained personnel on hand at the time of achieving full operational readiness in 2016-2018. Naturally, training goes from simple to complex (now the very basis is the ability to simply fly and service the aircraft).

        In particular, this is also done by a special unified training center in Eglin, where more than 20 aircraft of modifications F-35A and F-35B are based, many pilots and technicians received basic training. In particular, the major in this video made his first flight there in August of this year, and as you can see, he is already doing business - he drives planes. And he is not a test pilot, quite ordinary.

        The essence of the news is that for the first time the F-35 received an ordinary ordinary airbase, and not which LII thread. Well, the Marines are opening their training, also an important point.

        Tests are really underway, but just theirs "Zhukovsky" - in Edwards and Patuxent River (F-35A and F-35B / C, respectively).
  7. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 19 November 2012 11: 44
    +1
    Yeah, handsome and is a 21st century machine ... now let’s see how fast squadrons will form and compare with our reality (we are all waiting for radical changes and not in the areas of remix and banal internal and external tuning - albeit fish are fish for bezryba and cancer ... MO, we are really looking forward to the birds of the 21st century, and those who have never flown themselves are also waiting).
    I completely agree with the statement of Manager.
  8. SSR
    SSR 19 November 2012 12: 00
    +1
    that's hady sowers of "democracy" .. damn envy.
    on the video I liked the figure of the girl more)))
    and the plane is such a well-fed "butuz" all "licked" .. now, as the comrade wrote above .. let's look at their acquisition terms ...
    1. Orksss
      Orksss 20 November 2012 01: 02
      0
      look at their picking dates ...

      Specifically, they promise to score this squadron to full-time 16 cars by the end of spring - the beginning of summer.
  9. Per se.
    Per se. 19 November 2012 12: 08
    +2
    Will our birds return ... Is everything buried irreversibly?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 November 2012 12: 20
      +1
      Until there are aircraft carriers, there will be no need for such aircraft. For all their uniqueness. request
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 19 November 2012 12: 36
        +2
        One can say otherwise, there will be such aircraft, and there will be an increased need for their carriers. For example, a catamaran was trying on them. In my opinion, these planes are not only needed for aircraft carriers, as are convertoplanes, kilometer runways are too vulnerable.
    2. vardex
      vardex 19 November 2012 13: 59
      -8
      firstly not yours, but Soviet ones, but yours is nothing and in the near future there is no way to foresee such a leadership .....
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 19 November 2012 14: 12
        +9
        Russia is the assignee of the USSR, do not forget? Or how is the technology so Soviet, but how are the Russian debts?
      2. PLO
        PLO 19 November 2012 14: 19
        +6
        firstly not yours, but Soviet ones, but yours is nothing and in the near future there is no way to foresee such a leadership .....

        aha, you happen to be the wrong geography teacher?))

        that's what really isn’t your
    3. FID
      FID 19 November 2012 16: 49
      +3
      Yak-141 - it seems - yes! Irreversible.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 19 November 2012 22: 45
        +2
        Quote: SSI
        Yak-141 - it seems - yes! Irreversible.

        It is a pity of course, 1987 the first flight, 25 years ago.
        I wonder how the Americans solved the problem of the rotary nozzle and how much it cost them if not Yakovlev Design Bureau.
        1. Windbreak
          Windbreak 20 November 2012 00: 15
          +2
          The 3BSN rotary nozzle mechanism was developed by RR back in 1964 for the RB.153-76A engine according to the German project VJ 101E, and until 67, the engine and the nozzle passed quite successful ground tests, including fire tests.

          In 1968-69, the same engine was developed under the AVS project. By the way, for this project, for the first time, a scheme with a lifting fan with a gas-dynamic drive was worked out.

          By the time work began on the Yak-41, the nozzle mechanism was already in the museum of the company, where it remains today.

          A bit later, Yakovlevites used not only the 3BSN scheme, but also the general layout scheme of the VJ 101E, which is generally not surprising, since at the time of completion of work on supersonic VTOL in Europe, this scheme was considered the most promising.

          Subsequently, the Yakovlevites' successful experience in creating an aircraft with 3BSN attracted the attention of LM, who at that time were in search of the optimal scheme for their promising VTOL aircraft under the JSF project. Despite the fact that RR offered its 3BSN development services on the basis of its AVS developments, LM preferred to purchase documentation from Yakovlevites, since they were primarily interested not so much in the kinematics of the nozzle (it was well-known for a long time at that time), but as the accumulated operating experience nozzles on the Yak-141, and the Yakovlev experience was valuable because the Yak-141 scheme as a whole resembled that chosen for the X-35. In addition, cooperation with the Russians seemed more profitable for financial reasons. RR received a contract to develop the LM fan invented in LM, as well as to develop a gas rudder system (in this area, RR’s global leadership is undeniable).
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 20 November 2012 23: 07
            0
            Quote: Burel
            The 3BSN rotary nozzle mechanism was developed by RR back in 1964

            Thanks for the adjustment. A leading aircraft designer Yak Design Bureau Georgy Markov claimed that Yakovlev Design Bureau is the first in the world. He believed the man at his word.
            But in my opinion, it’s muddy with this English engine.
            The outdated "Harriers" seem to have their own development of a promising engine, experience in the construction of vertical take-off aircraft, but they are dependent on the American aircraft industry and acquire the F-35. Well, you have already written about the cooperation of the Americans with the Yak.
  10. VadimSt
    VadimSt 19 November 2012 12: 28
    +3
    What amazes me more is the ability of "others" to provide comfort in service for both people and technology. When “we” will have such an approach, otherwise everyone is counting on “Slavic restraint and unpretentiousness”.
  11. Andrey_K
    Andrey_K 19 November 2012 12: 39
    +1
    And what is this dent on the wing?
    (see video 1:27)
    Is it possible to fly with such damage?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 November 2012 12: 47
      0
      This is not a dent, it is a slat (or how correctly?).
      1. urzul
        urzul 19 November 2012 13: 04
        0
        Slat in my opinion, but the video shows just the transition from it to the wing.
        1. FID
          FID 19 November 2012 16: 48
          +3
          [quote = urzul] Slat in my opinion, but the transition from it to the wing is just visible on the video. [/ quot
          I beg your pardon, the military call this byaka "wing tip". In fact, the same slat, but ... specifics!
  12. Blat
    Blat 19 November 2012 13: 30
    -2
    They said f-35 b deliveries in 2018 that they didn’t have time. But he appeared as much as 6 years earlier. Well, and who is the desu bred? moreover, their own and nae .... t
    1. Orksss
      Orksss 20 November 2012 01: 25
      0
      2018 is the year of operational readiness.
      Those. simplified - when the first squadrons can be put into battle.

      And before that, pilots and technicians need to be trained, to gain operational experience, and to finish the tests ess-no. Arms have not yet been tested for example.
      1. Blat
        Blat 20 November 2012 01: 44
        0
        as far as I know the weapons have already been tested. and landing and take-off for successes worked out. and the pilots will be trained as the planes arrive. Infa was just about 2018 as the start of deliveries of the f-35 b since the test program didn’t dock there. in short, someone again bought into cheap propaganda
        1. Orksss
          Orksss 20 November 2012 01: 49
          0
          as far as I know the weapons have already been tested.


          No. There were only throws of inert ammunition. Dimensional-weight models if you like.
          Weapon Management System software is far from ready.

          and pilots will be trained as they arrive.


          Well sobsno this is what we observe.

          infa was just about 2018 as the start of deliveries of the f-35 b since the test program didn’t fit in there. In short, someone again bought cheap propaganda


          You just didn’t delve into the question. I advise you to refer, for example, to the Wikipedia article, where the supply of sides is succinctly scheduled - when, where and for whom.
  13. toguns
    toguns 19 November 2012 14: 10
    +4
    Well done, what else can I say, although I do not like them as a potential enemy, I need to learn from them in terms of responsibility and in terms of meeting obligations on time.
    ps
    I hope that in the near future we will speak less and do more.
  14. xmel2003
    xmel2003 19 November 2012 14: 22
    +2
    And that besides me, no one paid attention to the strange interruption at the 50th second? I doubt that this is a regular plane.
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 19 November 2012 16: 42
      +2
      xmel2003 - after the 50th second the F-35 rolls ahead ... we were ashamed to show the rotary nozzle in all its glory winked
    2. Gluxar
      Gluxar 19 November 2012 16: 56
      0
      Interruption just changes the angle. The f-35 itself is in the background.
      The plane is already sort of serial if you look at the tail number. Although the interruption just hides the number. Open sources say that at this base should be deployed aircraft with serial number BF-19, although the video machine number 15.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 19 November 2012 20: 26
        +2
        Quote: xmel2003
        drew attention to a strange interruption at the 50th second

        This is not an interruption, this is an ordinary video editing with cutting frames. But with number 15, it leads to different thoughts. Here, to believe the amers, it’s more expensive, one creeps in, something is not clean here ..., well, to hell with them.
        PS - at the beginning of the video in the intro in English, BF-19 is clearly spelled out, pay attention. Didn't they take these cars for export?
        1. Orksss
          Orksss 20 November 2012 00: 38
          0
          You also confuse the serial number and the side number of a particular squadron of the Marine Corps.
          There will be others with number 15, for example from another part.
      2. Orksss
        Orksss 20 November 2012 00: 36
        +1
        BF-19 - serial number, 19'th vehicle of the F-35B modification.
        He has no connection with bortoviks of vehicles adopted by one or another kind of troops.

        Actually with serial numbers the very first, experienced SDD boards fly on keels.
        1. Orksss
          Orksss 20 November 2012 01: 10
          0
          BF-19 - serial number, 19'th vehicle of the F-35B modification.

          He spoke out quite rightly.
          19th American. Serial numbers are numbered not only by modifications, but also by countries.
          For example, English F-35B - BK-1, BK-2 (K from Kingdom)
          Dutch F-35A - AN-1 (N from Netherlands), Australian AU-1 (AA-1 was busy, but it turns out AUstralia)
  15. the polar
    the polar 19 November 2012 14: 32
    +1
    Appearance, contours, somehow not impressed.
    There is no harmony of proportions for aerodynamics. which means that there should be hidden problems in piloting and discrepancies with performance characteristics.

    The most harmonious combinations of body proportions, in the context of aerodynamics, are in the killer whale and shark. And our control systems externally have very similar proportions, which somewhat violate only the engine air intakes.

    With all the critical attitude towards Moscow Region and the Kremlin, I don’t think that our backlog with PAK_FA is tragic. A year or two of time to evaluate the F-35 in stock. and the lag is only in avionics and software systems, which certainly must be closed during this time. Well, and the main thing is of course production facilities, so that at least two dozen can be lifted into the air per month
    1. Gluxar
      Gluxar 19 November 2012 17: 00
      -3
      Well, two dozen a month is certainly rude, although desirable. But for this, several more plants will have to be built, what to produce on them when the order is completed is not clear. It should be understood that the factories should be provided with contracts for several years in advance.
      As for appearance and performance characteristics, this is a 5-generation aircraft, but this is more a replacement for the harrier. F-35 is not a couple of PAK-FA, different classes of aircraft. This is a light aircraft, PAK-FA heavy. Different countries, different conditions.
    2. patsantre
      patsantre 19 November 2012 20: 22
      +3
      We would have had two dozen a year, and it would have been nice. The info slipped that we are going to buy 2 PAK FAs from us. Even at such a pace (200 / year) for 20 years we’ll arm ourselves ... and then? I think the figure is far from the final one, if it takes place at all, and is not just another duck. On the one hand it’s not enough, I would like more, on the other hand 10 pieces of airplanes - but which ones are still a very formidable force. Even in the most developed European countries the number of fighters is not much more than two hundred. But, given how many of them are received in NATO in total, they (each of the countries) do not need more ...