American mercenary of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: The average life expectancy on the front line is four hours

It is no longer a secret to anyone that mercenaries from Western countries, including the United States, are participating in hostilities on the side of Ukraine.

One of these mercenaries, a retired US Marine fighting on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas, Troy Offenbecker, shared his opinion on the situation at the front with ABC News.

Troy ended up in the Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) area, where, probably, the most fierce battles in the conflict zone are taking place today. According to the mercenary, the fighting here is so active that

the life expectancy of soldiers on the front line is about four hours

As Business Insider notes, the battle for Artyomovsk, which had a population of about 73 before the war, was the longest battle of all time.

According to Offenbeker, the fighting for Artyomovsk is so horrendous that it has been nicknamed the "meat grinder".

The brutal battles for the city are evidenced by the fact that several thousand artillery shots are fired there a day from both sides, writes Business Insider. According to some reports, the city is destroyed by 60%.

Recall that in early February, it was reported about the liquidation in Artyomovsk of another American mercenary, Pete Reed, who, like Offenbeker, was a former US Army marine.

Comments

[Vlodek]

writes, it means either 4 hours have not passed or he is lying

[dmi.pris1]

For these ... and four hours a lot .. They brought, took away, buried

[Mister X]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

For these ... and four hours is a lot ..

In Vietnam, it was believed that an American soldier lived for about 15 minutes in a war zone.

[Lelik 56]

Here is the bomb! The states fought there for almost ten years. Divide by 15 minutes........

[Dkuznecov]

Do you think there is one soldier, in turn,
every 15 minutes went into battle?
Incorrect arithmetic.
And in the case of the article, sadly,
The statistics apply to ours in exactly the same way.
She's just a statistic. Never selective.

[Shurik70]

The video of the death of that same Pete Reed does not show that the mercenaries were hiding.
They stood in a group in an open area.
The video, by the way, was filmed from the cab of the car. That is, they even drive cars there.
So the American is lying. However, he is an American.
Of course, there are a lot of corpses. But not for 4 hours of average life.

[Sarboz]

Quote: DKuznecov

And in the case of the article, sadly,
The statistics apply to ours in exactly the same way.
She's just a statistic. Never selective.

Do not forget that in terms of the intensity of the use of artillery, we surpass them by a multiple, almost an order of magnitude, plus rockets, plus aviation. So the statement that the statistics of the losses of the Nazis and ours are comparable is a lie.

[solar]

Periodically, this pops up - sometimes the life of a tank in battle is 10 minutes, then the life of an outpost on the border is 20 minutes, then something else. There has never been any confirmation of such statements.
About 4 hours is also an obvious fiction. No sane person would believe this. Is that like in fiction, to emphasize the intensity of the fighting.

[Andrey_10]

This is the same as with the average salary: someone has it 300 thousand, someone has 20, depending on the number of people, and the amount of the average salary will be. But this is math. In a war, it is impossible to calculate either the average or any time, nonsense. It can fly in and cover the group within 2-3 minutes, or you can sit in the bunker for a week, depending on the place, skills, time, weapons, morale and 10-20 other factors

[solar]

If you believe in "4 hours", then it turns out that for one who survived a week, that is, 24 * 7 \u168d 28 hours, then according to the rules of mathematics, we get 2 of those who died after 168 hours (6/28 \u6d 2, on average (2+4)/XNUMX=XNUMX).
This is beyond common sense.
Rather, you can believe in hyperbole - someone said for the sake of a red word to show the intensity of the fighting.
And it is impossible to believe that someone recorded how many hours for each deceased, and then calculated the average value.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Vlodek

writes, it means or 4 hours have not passed or lying

Of course, for a little money .... for ABC News. The sensation is so-so, but on the couch it tickles your nerves.

[Bolt cutter]

or 4 hours have not passed or lying

Someone (forcibly mobilized, who saw a machine gun in a movie) was poked in the first 5 minutes, and someone (usually experienced and careful) survives and shares his memories.

[solar]

In principle, the projectile doesn’t care whether he saw the machine gun or not. In Bakhmut, as everyone has recently seen, everything rests on artillery.

[Zefr]

Well, it can be easier. There is a support. Let's say a group of 12 people. The next day they took out 6 three hundredths, brought in 6 more. But the next day, the same story, again a replenishment of 6 people.
Thus, we can conditionally accept that in two days the entire original composition - 12 fighters - was lost. Two days is 48 hours, we distribute the losses evenly over time, it turns out that 1 fighter is lost every 4 hours.
In this case, of course, the average lifetime will be (4 + 48) / 2 = 26 hours, not 4 hours.

[Bykov.]

Quote: Vlodek

writes, it means either 4 hours have not passed or he is lying

So he, like a white man, does not die on the front lines, he sits in the rear and distributes interviews, and blogs with a tweeter.

[ivan1979nkl]

Gives interviews, and leads blogs with a tweeter

sitting in a cocked hat on a drum, sees the fight from afar

[Cicerist98]

@"Wlodek": "writes-means either 4 hours did not pass or lies"

No - it may also mean that almost all of the dying on the front is done by Ukrainian idiots; while these "American warriors" cleverly stay JUST outside the thick of the fighting, guiding, pushing and "helping" said Ukrainian idiots from JUST behind the worst wall of fire, and most importantly, OBSERVING.

[Murmur 55]

Somewhere and from someone we have already heard about 4 hours, only with such a speed and duration from the Armed Forces of Ukraine already one name should have remained.

[Edik]

the life expectancy of soldiers on the front line is about four hours

[Quote] [/ quote]
The reaction of a Ukrainian fighter on the line of contact in Bakhmut was interesting when a Ukrainian journalist asked the question: Is it true? What was the answer, hmm, ahh ... maybe. said sir?

[NikolayDS]

Troy Offenbeker does nothing but give interviews. When does he have time to fight? This is the fourth (in my memory) interview with him during the CBO.

[Dart2027]

Quote: NikolayDS

Troy Offenbeker does nothing but give interviews. When does he have time to fight?

That's why it's alive.

[Leshak]

Quote: NikolayDS

Troy Offenbeker does nothing but give interviews. When does he have time to fight? This is the fourth (in my memory) interview with him during the CBO.

Therefore, he lives that he gives interviews more often than he fights.

[dump22]

Full quote:

...the life expectancy of soldiers on the front line is about four hours, I have already been killed 18 times! At this rate, due to constant respawns, my account will soon run out of money...

[NikolayDS]

At this pace due to constant respawns

He once in the summer in an interview was indignant that the combat experience of most of the mercenaries in his squad was limited to computer games ...

[Max2022]

The average is like - someone lives for a minute, and he measured himself a hundred years once more.
Articles of this kind seem to reassure that they are dying like flies, but our guys die in the same place, and even if one in seven or ten, they die.
I expect and believe that in the spring there will be mass coverage and the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the Zeli regime will crumble, because I don’t understand how else without a second mobilization. Return Kherson, take Odessa and the main millionaires - Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Kiev

[Felix]

Quote: Max2022

I expect and believe that in the spring there will be mass coverage and the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the green regime will fall

It is unlikely. For this style of warfare, a grouping of 1,5-2 million manpower is needed with the appropriate equipment of equipment, artillery and aviation, and taking into account the hostility of the population, also half a million security forces to suppress various "partisans" and catch saboteurs.

[Derbes19]

And the main thing is the work of aviation. Cut off the front from the rear, destroy the artillery. On a separate section of the front, the VKS is capable of crushing air defense and ensuring the work of ground forces.

[Bolt cutter]

how else without a second mobilization. return Kherson

There is a version that with open borders with the coveted EU (do not talk about the cordons - the difficult part is not to cross the border, but to gain a foothold there, there are no problems with the second now) there simply will not be those who want to fight for Ukraine. The technique that fights itself has not yet been invented - even the Japanese and Americans do not have enough brains. Something like this.

[vindigo]

In "Typical Odessa" I read that the locals ram the border with Moldova in old cars and run to the Moldovan border guards. They say that Moldova does not extradite fugitives.

[Ray]

And where does such a statistic come from that ours die one in seven, ten? Let me remind you that ours is the advancing side, and it always, with approximately equal compositions, suffers heavy losses. It seems, as Girkin says, other things being equal during the offensive, in order to minimize losses and maximize efficiency, the advantage in numbers for the attacking side should be 3:1. I very much doubt that ours have such a numerical advantage, given that, firstly, they have been fighting for Bakhmut since the beginning of autumn, and given the essentially total mobilization in the square. And I doubt the superiority in the qualifications and military art of ours, given that in addition to Ukraine itself, ukrov are also trained in Great Britain and Poland, and they have been fighting for 8 years.

[voyaka uh]

It's been 3-4 months since the losses equaled 1:1.
1:7 was at the beginning of the attack on the Donbass in May-June.

[topol717]

Who is Girkin? What is he in charge of now? Or why isn't he in charge now?
Maybe for the reason that he has such numbers and he doesn’t know how to do it differently?
Where is Ukrov cooked there? In Britain??? and Where did these teachers fight?
In order to prepare, you need at least half a year, and in 2 months you can, at best, teach how to shoot and follow weapons.

[Andrey_10]

Ie you have the same opinion about our mobilized?

[dump22]

And where does such a statistic come from that ours die one in seven, ten?

Quite right. It's kind of unrealistic.
Such statistics of losses among the advancing, as far as I know, was only in one case in the war.
During the lightning defeat of the Kwantung Army in August 1945.
At that time, there were 8 Japanese for one of our soldiers killed.

But during the storming of Berlin, even with our total superiority in people (3 times) and equipment (by an order of magnitude!), The ratio of losses was - 3 of our killed to 4 killed Germans ...

[Dimachrus]

Articles of this kind, in my opinion, are written for their audience as support for other statements in the spirit of "oh! And we ourselves almost ran out of tanks / guns / shells" are justification for increasing military budgets

[dump22]

take Odessa and the main millionaires - Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Kyiv

Mariupol showed that it is certainly possible to take it.
But then what should we do with such a taken city?
In Mariupol, out of 420 pre-war residents, less than 100 now remain, the rest died or fled. The city is 80% destroyed. In fact, it no longer exists.

And for example, the population of Kyiv (2.8 million) is, after all, 2 times more than in all of Chechnya. And can you imagine what will happen after the assault?

[Andrey_10]

So I don’t understand .... Huge cities are ahead, in March-April the green will trample, there will obviously be difficulties and big ones at that. Look how Artyomosk is going slowly, the Nazis were preparing. Can you imagine Dnepropetrovsk???? The area is 20 times larger than Artemovsk, it only needs to cover 200 thousand !!!! Are there people? Trained, or will we recruit along the way? When to teach?

[Incvizitor]

Which is 3.7 times lower than the life expectancy of an imperial guard in wah 40k

The average life expectancy of an Imperial Guardsman who arrived on this godforsaken world did not exceed Fifteen hours...

[vindigo]

The motto of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is "Better to die for Zelensky than to live for yourself!"

[AlexTires]

Ahah, they took it off the tongue... Ahah... Shout
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[Aag]

Uh-huh .. Let's rejoice at this "news".
I remember that about a year ago, some of the regular commentators, here at VO, were outraged by the supply of rations, first aid kits, protective helmets, and uniforms from Western countries.
Now, those same people, they say, let's get tanks, planes, we'll crush everyone, burn them! The presence of Western mercenaries on the enemy's side no longer ... excites anyone. (It seems that earlier this was one of the "red lines").
As it turns out, it is not difficult to reorient the "electorate"!
So it won't take long to come to the thesis (conditionally): "Gazprom is working, which means Russia is alive!!"
And all this for concerts, talk shows, blurred criminal cases of corrupt officials ... and fundraising for the treatment of children .... (((((((

[acetophenone]

Quote: Max2022

I expect and believe that in the spring there will be mass coverage and the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the Zeli regime will crumble, because I don’t understand how else without a second mobilization. Return Kherson, take Odessa and the main millionaires - Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Kiev

Will it be because I want to? An interesting way of thinking ... And, unfortunately, very common.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: acetophenon

Quote: Max2022

I expect and believe that in the spring there will be mass coverage and the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the Zeli regime will crumble, because I don’t understand how else without a second mobilization. Return Kherson, take Odessa and the main millionaires - Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Kiev

Will it be because I want to? An interesting way of thinking ... And, unfortunately, very common.

Whether we want it or not . But without the capture of these cities, the war in Svidobanderism will not end. The usual logic of war.

[topol717]

Why don't ours use FAB-500 or 1000.
It remains only to guess. There will still be nothing left of the city. There, even the forest belt is spurred on by automatic bursts.

[voyaka uh]

To drop the FAB-500, the aircraft must fly over
purpose.
And the targets are protected by air defense. Very modern and varied.
Therefore, either Rooks are bombed with small bombs and rockets from a minimum height,
or strategists who launch CR from afar.

[Ingenegr]

Quote: voyaka uh

To drop the FAB-500, the aircraft must fly over
purpose.

Over what target should the plane fly over, dropping the bomb? Any more or less diligent student knows that D=V×sqr(2×H/g) as a first approximation. And this means that with an aircraft speed of 200 m/s (720 km/h) and a blank drop height of 5000 meters, a flyer can start turning back even D=200×sqr(2×5000/9.8)=6400 meters. And if the drop height is 10 km, then you can turn away almost 9 km from the target.
Learn, it's useful and interesting.

[Alex242]

Today, the most fierce battles are taking place in the conflict zone. According to the mercenary, the fighting here is so active that
the life expectancy of soldiers on the front line is about four hours

just an average, some days more or less...

[zenion]

The advanced ones are different. There are such advanced ones as the bumpers of railroad tractors.

[Ray]

Quote from: topol717

Where is Ukrov cooked there? In Britain??? and Where did these teachers fight?
In order to prepare, you need at least half a year, and in 2 months you can, at best, teach how to shoot and follow weapons.

And what, prisoners in Wagner drill for half a year?
Or do mobikov get along for half a year?
My friend mobik lay near Kherson in a trench already 2 weeks after they were mobilized.
And the information that Britain intends to prepare 35000 ukrov slipped somewhere else in September.
In order to slightly tighten the OFP and give the basics of tactical and fire training, half a year is not necessary. But they will arm and equip as it should. Unfortunately, we have a huge problem with this.

[opposite28]

Troy ended up in the Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) area, where, probably, the most fierce battles in the conflict zone are taking place today. According to the mercenary, the fighting here is so active that

the life expectancy of soldiers on the front line is about four hours

A little more than in Vietnam ...

[Drozdov]

a mercenary-copy of Zelya "fights" apparently in a bunker at a depth of 93 meters. in the room for twins "presidential" ... live bye. but remember, the earth needs humus ...