“The disaggregation of Russia will make it more dangerous”: an Australian observer talks about the risks of defeating the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine

The collective West, having entered the fight with Russia on the territory of Ukraine, hopes to prevail in it thanks to its combined power. The ultimate goal in this case is the dismemberment of the Russian Federation and its transformation into a third-rate state, deprived of independence or, at best, isolated from the world community. However, a number of Western analysts go further in their reasoning.

Russia lost; they lost strategically, operationally and tactically

- said the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States, General Mark Milley.

Not everyone agrees with him, and even those who do have no illusions that this can bring advantages to the collective West.

As Australian columnist Paul Dibb notes in ASPI Strategist, the announcement raises the question of what a decisive Russian defeat would mean for the world. According to him, if the West continues to increase the supply of weapons to the Kyiv regime, this will make it possible to transfer the conflict to the territory of the Russian Federation. In this case, the confrontation may end with the fact that the Russian Federation will cease to exist as a major power, if it does not resort to nuclear Armageddon. But even with the so-called downsizing (separation) of the country, the risks associated with the “Russian threat” will remain.

A severely weakened, isolated and disaggregated Russia would make it more, not less, dangerous. It will retain the ability to threaten global nuclear destruction

- the observer notes.

For our part, we note that behind these reflections lies the desire of analysts of the "civilized" West to see not just the defeat of Russia and its dismemberment, but also the complete dismantling of the state. This kind of reasoning is fueled by confidence in the unconditional victory of the Western world, which for the West is overshadowed only by the possibility of nuclear war.

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[voice of reason]

In general, it’s funny, of course, but from their point of view turned inside out, there is some truth. They have long regarded the Russian Empire as a threat. They rejoiced when the Republic of Ingushetia fell apart, when Finland and Poland gained independence. It was believed that the heir, the Soviet Union, would be weaker and create fewer problems. Ha. Ha. As the saying goes. Then, wiped off the sweat, exhaled in the 90s. They thought that after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, certainly now so many republics had gone, the Russian Federation would certainly not create problems. Well, here is the result. I can assume that when thinking about some independent Siberia with nuclear weapons, they immediately think that it’s better all the same in the opposite direction? to enlargement?

[2 Level Advisor]

well, then, even with the whole of Ukraine - the Russian Federation will be smaller than the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR, and in terms of the economy - many times less .. not in the territories now, but in the economy and technology, in terms of territory we are already the largest and "with and without" Ukraine..

[bayard]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

power is not in the territories now, but in the economy and technology,

And population!
Full-fledged autarchy requires an internal market of at least 300 million human souls with the functions of a consumer ... solvent.

[Luka Nord]

Australian observer talks about the risks of defeating the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine

Already Australia is talking? Why is Africa silent?

[Bingo]

Quote from Luka Nord

Why is Africa silent?

Africa is not silent

[Grandfather]

The disaggregation of Russia

what what... ? what is this..what...?

[ivan1979nkl]

The ultimate goal in this case is the dismemberment of the Russian Federation and its transformation into a third-rate state

drooling dissolved analysts, do not wipe yourself

[Andrey_Gumilyov]

It is a thankless task to share the skin of an unkilled bear.

[Ryzhyv]

They will get in the teeth with a vigorous rake in the same way as their predecessors received. Their history teaches nothing. The debilitation of Western society has reached the top.

[Luenkov]

As for the roads in Russia, nothing is reported in this label. That's the only way to take it all. I worry about the coast of England - why is it there?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Luenkov

I worry about the coast of England - why is it there?

You can do it - the strait named after Putin.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

You can do it - the strait named after Putin.

No-no-no - this will be the strait between Canada and Mexico

[alexander 66]

How did the Russian-Japanese, World 1, remember? So to consider them give the actions of the leadership. Now with a high degree of probability there will be a blow to Transnistria, they will be smashed in a couple of days. They need warehouses, they really need them. A bunch of prisoners. And what will Comrade Mauser say?
Expression of concern?

[Bolt cutter]

They need warehouses

I hope the garrison is smart enough to prepare them to blow them up.

[alexander 66]

The garrison must receive an order, but will he?

[solar]

The population of Transnistria will suffer from the explosion. It is impossible to blow everything up at once, it will burn for a long time and scatter around the district.

[Herman 4223]

With such a policy, they drive themselves into a corner. We have already withdrawn from the START treaty. Next will be flight missions for American military bases and a nuclear crisis. The result of a nuclear crisis can be either a nuclear war or the dismantling of the NATO bloc, at least in its eastern part. If they stop supplying weapons to Ukraine, this will not happen. But they are getting stronger and stronger.

[andre.gre4ihin]

, the thoughts of an idiot are also Australian. Lyushilin can you tell me what the article is about?

[ivan2022]

The disaggregation of the USSR also, as we see, did not add security, but the Soviet people did it, approved it, and we cannot be turned off the intended path!

[Bingo]

They have summer there ... Looks like fires again - hemp plants are burning

[Fangaro]

Text on VO, on a Russian resource.
Why use "disaggregation" in the text, if there is an understandable word "fragmentation"?
There are many words that we cannot replace.
But "negative growth", "disaggregation", "stable negative trend of development", "for success in ... the chief ..., removed from office and transferred to another place of passage ..., is awarded ..."?

[former soldier]

Text on VO, on a Russian resource.
Why use "disaggregation" in the text, if there is an understandable word "fragmentation"?
There are many words that we cannot replace.

When you need to destroy something, they came up with a word optimization.

[tralflot1832]

All this rudeness came from the USSR, we blew up our missiles. The USA carefully dismantled them. Then, under Russia, they processed all their chemical weapons, the USA giggled - but we don’t have technology. 3 carriers each. I hope we have learned from bitter experience! There should be many and different means of delivery. Yes, and isn’t it time to drive our peacekeepers from PACE, since they can’t beat their faces when they insult Russia. Or replace them with athletes, without complexes with instructions, you need to beat the face - we'll cover it.

[jamonchik]

Lips let Australia roll up, downscaling .. fie. Divorced journalists of all sorts and experts, whether it's us, commentators

[tihonmarine]

Not everyone agrees with him, and even those who do have no illusions that this can bring advantages to the collective West.
If Russia disappears, Europe will disappear in a year.
As long as Russia exists, you exist, so it was, and so it will be.

[ZVOnar]

Let the reproductive organ of the elderly boar Athanasius suck.

[tralflot1832]

My dad had a saying, but there was a polar bear there!!!

[patxi46]

It may also happen that, trying to break Russia, they will break themselves.

[Andrei Rimsky]

Honestly, nothing good will end with any option. Western and Russian civilizations once again clashed, but in Asia it has long been no longer peasant states - colonies with ridiculous armies of archers, but quite highly developed societies, and they will quickly fill the niche.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Andrei Rimsky

and they will quickly fill the niche

Maybe it's for the best, they are more pragmatic.

[Pavel57]

Quote: 2 level advisor

well, then, even with the whole of Ukraine - the Russian Federation will be smaller than the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR, and in terms of the economy - many times less .. not in the territories now, but in the economy and technology, in terms of territory we are already the largest and "with and without" Ukraine..

The territory is one of the resources, and the subsoil and water reserves are simply priceless.
Human potential is also important, both quantity and quality.

[ivan2022]

Looking for someone. Some dancers get in the way of eggs, not just resources. Even Gorbi in the first year of his reign said prophetically: "our resources have only corrupted us" ...... To be like that is fate. You can't defy fate.

[Alexey T.]

Quote: 2 level advisor

well, then, even with the whole of Ukraine - the Russian Federation will be smaller than the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR, and in terms of the economy - many times less .. not in the territories now, but in the economy and technology, in terms of territory we are already the largest and "with and without" Ukraine..

1. It depends on what period to compare the territory with. If with Petrovsky (at the time of creation) there is much more now. 2. Strength is all the same. Land, people, faith. These discussions about technologies (very fleeting, by the way)... I remember 15 years ago how everyone admired that Finland, with its Nokia, had become almost the main technological power in the world. And Nokia in that form has long been gone, and a country with 5 million people cannot be something significant.

[Alexey T.]

Quote: Pavel57

Quote: 2 level advisor

well, then, even with the whole of Ukraine - the Russian Federation will be smaller than the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR, and in terms of the economy - many times less .. not in the territories now, but in the economy and technology, in terms of territory we are already the largest and "with and without" Ukraine..

The territory is one of the resources, and the subsoil and water reserves are simply priceless.
Human potential is also important, both quantity and quality.

Strongly support.

[Oleg Ogorod]

These goals of the US and their managers in Europe have long been clear. They have been voiced for a long time, and not at all during the last year.
The only question is why was not general mobilization announced, including the mobilization of industry, last spring?
NWO, and in fact the war with NATO, goes on somehow by the way. With trips of officials on holiday to Europe, America and Dubai. Happy holidays across the country. Now here are the next four days of holidays. It's just kind of surreal.
SBO should last forever?

[Dmitrii]

Quote: 2 level advisor

well, then, even with the whole of Ukraine - the Russian Federation will be smaller than the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR, and in terms of the economy - many times less .. not in the territories now, but in the economy and technology, in terms of territory we are already the largest and "with and without" Ukraine..

But the Russian Empire did not have an economy, there was no military-industrial complex, and much more, which is why it collapsed.

[yuriy1863]

behind these reflections lies the desire of analysts of the "civilized" West to see not just the defeat of Russia and its dismemberment, but also the complete dismantling of the state.

An interesting explanation of the confrontation between the West and the East is given by A. Klyosov:

Russophobes often say: "We want to be with the West, and this will make Russia feel better." For example, I am sure that Russia will not be better off. After all, they never agree that the "alliance" with the West will be concluded solely on its terms - they simply will not agree to anything else. I am absolutely convinced, having lived almost 30 years in the West, that none of their fulfilled conditions will help - this will be considered only as a sign of weakness.

Actually, I talk about this in my latest book, The History of the Aryans and Erbines. For many thousands of years, the peoples of the haplogroups R1a and R1b went on migrations around the planet, almost without intersecting with each other. They developed different value systems, different habits, different cultures, attitudes towards others, the elderly, and so on. When in the end they split up, and R1a (descendants of the Aryans) firmly settled in Eastern Europe, and R1b (descendants of the Erbins) in Western Europe, it would seem that castling took place and their values ​​were brought together, but the depths remained different.
The current descendants of the Erbins are distinguished by more rational thinking, the primacy of jurisprudence. They like to come up with all sorts of laws and try to adhere to them firmly, further striving to reformat the whole world for themselves through their implementation. The descendants of the Aryans are characterized by a deep spiritual search, less commitment to comfort, material wealth. They also have a heightened sense of justice. And there is no end in sight to the struggle of these value systems.

When I watch Russian political talk shows, their participants constantly ask themselves questions: “why is America crushing Russia, surrounding it with NATO military bases along the perimeter?” The basic answer is well known to me. Well, of course, this is a confrontation between two different civilizations, a struggle between rational and idealistic principles. By the way, genealogical relatives from India are very similar to us. Yogis, Buddhists, Brahmins develop contemplation, spiritual thinking, they meditate a lot ... In the West, yoga has long turned into ordinary gymnastics.

[DefenderofTruth]

In my opinion, in order to talk about the strategic loss of Russia, you must first see the Abrams on Red Square in Moscow.

[Danila Rastorguev]

The only question is why was not general mobilization announced, including the mobilization of industry, last spring?

What for? Hannibal and with 30 thousand fighters nightmare all over Europe. So far the year has gone well. It is clear that the West will only give us the ashes in Ukraine.