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Belmonte: a castle made for movies

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Belmonte: a castle made for movies
View of Belmonte Castle



Those who were with Maccabeus cheerfully besieged this fortress for four days.
Second Book of Maccabees, 10:23

Castles and история. More than 10 castles have been cataloged in Spain, but only a small number of them have survived to this day in an acceptable condition. Recall that the word "castle" comes from the Latin castellun and means a powerful building surrounded by walls, towers and other fortifications. The history of castles dates back to the Roman forts, and castle building in Europe developed over more than 000 years during the Middle Ages and the early Renaissance, and went a long way from the first watchtowers to the majestic castles of the 1000th and early XNUMXth centuries.


Another view of the castle

Belmonte Castle, which our story will be about today, belongs to the Middle Ages. Remembering the turbulent history of this magnificent medieval fortress, we will have to go to the years 1475-1480, called the "War of the Marquis". Then the supporters of the two ambitious queens of Castile, Isabella (later known as "Isabella the Catholic") and Juana (better known as "La Beltraneja", after her father) disputed the Count of Vilhena's lands in incessant skirmishes and battles. Belmonte Castle was at the epicenter of this conflict. But before we talk about the castle itself, let's make a few clarifications. So, Juana la Beltraneja (1462–1530) was a Castilian princess, daughter of Juana of Portugal, wife of King Henry IV of Castile. Her paternity was usually attributed to the court favorite Beltrán de la Cueva, hence her name. The Cortes of Castile recognized Juana as the legitimate heir to the throne, but later Henry IV appointed his half-brother Alfonso (d. 1468) as successor, and then his half-sister Isabella (later Isabella I). In 1470, Henry again recognized Juan, but when he died (1474), Isabella seized the throne. Juana's supporters turned to Alfonso V of Portugal for help and arranged his marriage to the young princess. After five years of struggle, Alfonso suffered a crushing defeat at the Battle of Toro (1476), and Isabella was recognized (1479) as Queen of Castile. Juana retired to a monastery in Portugal, but continued to consider herself queen and signed all documents accordingly.


Gate to the castle

How did all this affect the inhabitants of the city of Belmonte? Well, they were participants in all these dramatic events, that's just ... for some reason they lacked the antiquity of their city. Therefore, when in 1976, during the repair of the city church, a part of the ancient wall was discovered, in Belmont they started talking about the fact that these were the remains of Visigothic buildings, that is, they extended the life of the city by almost 6-7 centuries. But there was no other evidence of this, and the Belmontians had to be content with the date 1294, when a place called Bellomonte was first mentioned in the documents of the tax collectors of King Sancho IV.


Truly impressive walls, towers and ramparts…

But there was still no castle near the city ... Its construction began in the second half of the 1456th century in 1457 on the hill of San Cristobal. And it was led by Don Juan Pacheco, the first Marquis of Villena, designed by the architect Juan Gvas, who received instructions from King Enrique IV. And it was in this castle that Enrique IV hid his illegitimate daughter Juana from the attacks of the Castilian nobility. In fact, work began in 1472 and lasted until 1474. In 1324, when Juan Pacheco died, the building had not yet been completed. Although this is not entirely historically correct, the first fortification, as it turned out, was built here by the ancient Romans to protect the gold deposit. In XNUMX, the Castilians built a small fortress here to guard the road to Cuenca.


Castle from a distance

But since not a stone was left of these structures, they were forgotten immediately after the construction of the new castle was completed. And what's interesting is that the castle was built, and it began to live its own life, and the city - its own. A large Dominican monastery arose in the city, and a Jesuit community, trade flourished, and in the XNUMXth century a theater was also opened. And all this time the castle, towering over the city, has never been subjected to either a siege or an assault ... That is, as a military fortification, it turned out to be completely useless to anyone!


Another gate and machicolation tower

From the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth century, nothing disturbed the tranquility of this place, however, then there was a war with Napoleon, but it did not come to destruction. And that is why both the city and the castle were very lucky: both the city walls and the castle have survived to our time exactly in the form in which they were once built. Periodically, of course, they were repaired, but it was not at all like restoring what had been destroyed by the war.


Castle plan


Loophole

The castle itself is quite unusual and stands out for its architecture. First of all, it is built in the form of an equilateral triangle inscribed in the hexagon of the defensive walls, each of the six corners of which is fortified with a round tower, that is, in plan it resembles a star and impresses with its beauty and unprecedented grace. Such buildings belong to the Mozarab style, which is famous for its huge round towers. On the main gate of the castle and today you can see the coats of arms of its first owners - the Marquises de Ville


Entrance decorated with carvings and coats of arms

The triangular courtyard of the inner building is decorated with arches with fireplaces made of carved stone and stucco molding in the Gothic-Moorish style. The living quarters themselves are built of red brick, so it is quite possible to say that this is not so much a castle as a luxurious palace in a style close to baroque. The courtyard of the castle is still decorated with unusual fountains, although they are temporarily not working. In general, the architecture of Belmonte is very eclectic, and all because its construction took place during the transition period from one era to another. Just during the years of its construction, the harsh asceticism of the Middle Ages had already been replaced by the joyful times of the Renaissance. Therefore, there are both powerful defensive fortifications and spacious, luxuriously furnished and cozy interiors.


castle courtyard

Nevertheless, the interior of the castle was still made in the Gothic style. Beautiful arches, painted ceilings, stucco, wood carved ceiling of the chapel are still preserved, and much was restored at the end of the XNUMXth century.


latrines

After the death of King Enrique, the castle passed into the full possession of the Manueles family, and Juan Manuel, Marquis de Villena, a descendant of the same man who led the construction of the castle, settled here.


These are the stucco walls in some rooms of the castle ...

In the XNUMXth century, the Manrique family appeared in the castle, receiving the official title of Marquis of Belmonte by royal decree. This family was fabulously rich, had several beautiful castles in Spain and Italy, and also intermarried with many titled surnames in Europe.


Arsenal. Inside the castle today is a museum with an audio guide in four languages!


Armor for every taste

Then the castle was abandoned for a long time, and in the XNUMXth century part of the castle turned into barracks. And the other part goes to jail.


One of the castle rooms

But in the second half of the 19th century, the castle came back to life again. Eugenia de Montijo, heiress of the Villena family, married the French Emperor Napoleon III. She was so fascinated by the castle that she immediately set about restoring it. For some reason, she loved her castle very much and was very careful about all the details of its interior.


Salon of Empress Eugenie de Montijo

During the restoration process from 1857 to 1870, the castle acquired almost its original appearance. But since 1870, when a revolution took place in France and overthrew the emperor, the restoration was suspended.

By decree of July 3, 1931, the castle was included in the list of the National Artistic Heritage (the equivalent of the National Monument).


This is a cozy bedroom.

The castle is currently owned by the Duke of the House of Peñaranda, a descendant of the Duchess of Alba, and Maria Francisca de Salsa Portocarrero, sister of Eugenia de Guzmán. Thanks to the cooperation of the owners of the castle, local government and the Ministry of Cultural Development, in the summer of 2010 the castle was renovated and opened to the public. Currently, the castle houses a museum. In one of the halls, the furniture and decoration of the castle has been preserved, which was preserved and renovated by Empress Eugenia.


View of the city from the castle wall

And the owners of the castle receive a good income from renting it to filmmakers.


Residents of the city are trained in the possession of a medieval weapons at the castle walls

This castle was first discovered by Hollywood in 1961, when a number of scenes for the epic film El Cid (directed by Anthony Mann) were filmed near it. After that, The Lord of the Rings (Ralph Bakshi, 1978), Flesh and Blood (Paul Verhoeven, 1985), Love Madness (Vicente Aranda, 2001), Don Quixote Knight (Manuel Gutiérrez Aragon, 2002) were filmed there. and many others. The castle was periodically repainted, built on, and the decorations inside were changed. Well, the inhabitants of the city of Belmonte were completely delighted with the opportunity to participate in mass scenes and earn money from it.


If desired, the city can put up a small army of "real Spanish soldiers" of the past


Prayer before the fight with mass absolution

Many even keep ersatz armor or historical clothing reconstructions at home, waiting for the next film to arrive. And in between filming, they also have fun: they participate in knightly tournaments, military duels and reconstructions of medieval life, and such events in front of Belmonte Castle are held several times a year.


In the meantime, cinematic blood is shed in front of the cameras, bread is peacefully ripening around Belmonte Castle!
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  1. Catfish
    Catfish 26 February 2023 05: 50
    +19
    Good morning friends! hi

    A beautiful castle, which was very lucky: the wars passed by and even the revolution hooked only slightly.
    Even more fortunate are the people from the neighboring town, they feed from this castle. In general, everyone is happy and everything is fine. smile
    The banners still fly
    Proud dragon, lord of fire.
    Waiting at the top of the donjon
    Homecoming of the King!


    Shot from the movie "El Cid"
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 26 February 2023 06: 40
      +14
      Good morning, Constantine!

      I wonder: what do castles dream about? Save or be useful?

      The castle is hidden by time
      and wrapped, covered
      In a gentle plaid of green shoots,
      But ... untie the language of silent granite -
      And the cold past will speak
      On campaigns, battles and victories.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 26 February 2023 06: 56
        +13
        I wonder: what do castles dream about?
        Take a break from tourists.)))
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 February 2023 07: 02
          +8
          It is not excluded.

          Have you thought about your work
          Who is your work for?
          Some go to the play out of boredom,
          Others, having dined to satiety,
          And still others, feeling a strong itch
          Show off with a judgment taken from a magazine.
          How they wander around in masquerades
          Out of curiosity, for a moment,
          Ladies come to us to flaunt attire
          No engagement fee.
        2. ArchiPhil
          ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 07: 28
          +9
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Take a break from tourists.)))

          Or proudly looking around the surroundings they grumble: * We came in large numbers, built it, life was gone from you. * bully
          Good morning Anton! hi
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 14
            +1
            Good photos. Vyacheslav our Olegovich knows how to "submit" the material, balance it, make it readable, easy and interesting. hi
            Experience, sir! request
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 26 February 2023 07: 19
        +10
        Hello, Sergey!
        I wonder: what do castles dream about?

        Probably, like all old people, so that they are taken care of and not abandoned. smile
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 February 2023 07: 34
          +10
          Two options: the best of which is when the younger generation lives nearby, and the second is when it is wealthy enough, and at the same time remembers its origins.

          And the plots of life are both typical and diverse.
          1. Richard
            Richard 26 February 2023 19: 23
            +5

            Indeed it is cozy.
            In medieval castles, they often rested like that
            1. Ruyter-57
              Ruyter-57 27 February 2023 01: 20
              +1
              This is not a medieval castle, this is a country villa. Called Villa Palmieri, located in Fiesole. From there you have a wonderful view of Florence. The picture that you inserted (this is an illustration for the Decameron) shows the servants' bedroom in this villa.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 15
                +1
                From there you have a wonderful view of Florence.

                Have you been there, sir? Just wondering. drinks
                1. Ruyter-57
                  Ruyter-57 27 February 2023 21: 17
                  +1
                  Have you been there

                  Repeatedly.


                  The text of my comment, in the opinion of the site administration, does not carry useful information.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 28 February 2023 19: 46
                    +1
                    Repeatedly.

                    Nice photo, thanks. yes I would like this ... If you find Lanzheron's memoirs in Russian in a readable format, throw the link in a personal ... drinks I will be very grateful!
                    1. Ruyter-57
                      Ruyter-57 28 February 2023 20: 43
                      +2
                      Langeron has a lot of "Notes", as far as I remember, no one bothered to put them together. Something was published in "Russian Antiquity" for 1908 and 1909, on the Runiverse "Russian Antiquity" is, if you look at the numbers, you can find it. Something can be found in the series "Russian true story" ("The time of Paul and his death", the second part). It must also be online.
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 1 March 2023 20: 19
                        +1
                        Something was published in "Russian Antiquity" for 1908 and 1909, on the Runiverse "Russian Antiquity" is, if you look at the numbers, you can find it. Something can be found in the series "Russian true story" ("The time of Paul and his death", the second part). It must also be online.

                        Thank you very much, I'll try to see. Yes, in "Russian Antiquity" one can find directly priceless memoirs. Thank you! yes
                        It’s just that, as I understand it, Langeron wrote his notes in French initially ...
  2. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 February 2023 06: 37
    +16
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    I watched a fair amount of the movie "El Cid" as a result of our communication with colleagues on the forum.

    And the dating, probably, of any castle in our time is closely associated with the dating of major repairs.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 26 February 2023 07: 18
      +8
      movie "El Cid"
      I liked the series better.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 February 2023 07: 31
        +9
        Didn't even watch the movie. The music is good. And in the film, as far as I saw, there are theatrical confrontations. But the highest level.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 26 February 2023 08: 17
          +11
          I didn't see "El Cid", but, according to the photo from the film, it seemed to me some kind of costume performance with arranged hairstyles.
          But I watched "Flesh and Blood" twice, with a break of ten years, and both times with interest and pleasure. smile


          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 February 2023 08: 40
            +13
            More and more I find myself thinking that the idea of ​​the history of mankind is increasingly made up of historical novels and historical films.

            It's good when it's seasoned with critical thinking. However, you can watch feature films and read books without plunging deep into the era.

            But only a small proportion of issues can be dealt with professionally.
            1. Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov
              Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov 26 February 2023 09: 21
              +10
              That is why history is no longer considered a science. Too many divorced "historians" whose knowledge is based on feature films and novels. Are there many feature films about quantum physics? Not at all - no one goes there. And then I read A. Dumas - and here you are - a ready-made specialist in the era. And he knows for sure that four degenerate alcoholics - musketeers - are positive personalities in history, and a cardinal fighting for the state is a rare bastard.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 26 February 2023 09: 40
                +9
                They didn't stop.
                In any community related to the scientific, there are certain criteria.

                Nobody canceled the technique. With all the differences of sciences there are common laws.

                Although I can fully understand that it is not easy for a naturalist to accept the approach of economics specialists.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 26 February 2023 10: 57
                +10
                You did not mention the dissolute queen, whose tricks are covered by these four at the request of an equally dissolute maid. laughing
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 11: 49
                  +7
                  And the queen was not promiscuous. Anyway, we don't know anything about it. And the maid ... She - you can. yes Even though she was just getting ready...
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 26 February 2023 12: 22
                    +4
                    And the queen was not slutty

                    Yah! Buckingham - no? According to the novel, at least. wink
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 26 February 2023 12: 29
                      +5
                      Hi uncle!
                      Ryzhov had material in which The Three Musketeers was analyzed in detail from a historical point of view.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 27 February 2023 01: 35
                        +1
                        Ryzhov had material in which The Three Musketeers was analyzed in detail from a historical point of view.


                        Unfortunately it passed me by. request

                        Hello Anton! smile
                    2. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 12: 50
                      +6
                      According to the novel, definitely not. In my opinion, in the novel "Twenty Years Later" Anna clearly said that nothing happened. As for reality, apart from La Rochefoucauld's vague hints about a possible connection between the Queen and Buckingham, no one says anything.
                      She is credited with an affair with Mazarin, but then she was already a widow. I think that a stable long relationship with one man for a young and at the same time conditionally free woman can hardly be called debauchery.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 27 February 2023 01: 39
                        +2
                        In my opinion, in the novel "Twenty Years Later" Anna clearly said that nothing happened.

                        Oh woman! Who will measure your lies
                        He will sift all the sand and count!
                        Crazy is he who believes a woman
                        And damned is he who understands a woman!
                        In her lie sparkles exactly the truth,
                        She is not afraid of threats and knives!
                        Rather, the beast will refuse food,
                        How can a woman refuse to lie!

                        But that's me, by the way. There are exceptions, as with any other rule. smile
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 21
                        +1
                        In my opinion, in the novel "Twenty Years Later" Anna clearly said that nothing happened.

                        - Doctor, my neighbor says he can wife twelve times a night! I'm envious! What can be done?
                        - Well, you tell him the same, most respected ...

                        Women's baseness - sometimes it is very sophisticated. Faced, Michael, alas ... hi
                  2. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 19
                    +1
                    And the queen was not promiscuous. Anyway, we don't know anything about it. And the maid ... She - you can. yes Although she was just getting ready too...

                    I spied on the Internet the now well-known phrase:
                    A sign of growing up - when in "Three Musketeers" you start rooting for Richelieu - a statesman who was getting on his nerves with four alcoholics, three whores and a degenerate in the crown. hi
                    From modern films about him, I watched only "Richelieu, mantle and blood" Yes, statesman. Great! request
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 February 2023 07: 54
      +18
      I join the kind words of Sergey!
      1. not the one
        not the one 26 February 2023 08: 18
        +18
        Who is the last? You? I then follow you.
        In line for making thanks to the authors of interesting articles.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 February 2023 11: 11
          +12
          Quote: not the one
          Who is the last? You? I then follow you.
          In line for making thanks to the authors of interesting articles.

          I don't think it matters. Today, I didn’t even specifically comment on Vyacheslav’s article in the morning (I have an objective head start in time due to the time zone in front of the majority of members of the forum).
          My personal opinion is that in order to form an information space (where you go) you need to praise the good, scold the bad.
  3. tlauicol
    tlauicol 26 February 2023 06: 42
    +11
    The interiors are beautiful too. It's light, spacious.. And it's also interesting when in rooms here and there sit not wax, but live girls with embroidery or a lute. Or they just look out the window, And there, in the courtyard, the knights are hacking or the maid is dragging a bucket from the well
    1. kalibr
      26 February 2023 06: 53
      +10
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Or just looking out the window

      Or they embroider a shirt for the master, a surcoat or a horse blanket...
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 24
        +1
        Or they embroider a shirt for the master, a surcoat or a horse blanket...

        And why not a huge codpiece, according to Brueghel? wink

        Look at the joyful man, second from the right in the bottom row... laughing

    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 08: 30
      +11
      What do they cut every day? Rather, they gave a spanking to a negligent peasant, well, maybe a cart with food from a neighboring village arrived ... But there’s nothing to look at: well, the chickens are walking, the local kabysdoh is yapping at someone, the porter, out, ran somewhere .. . Boring.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 February 2023 08: 42
        +10

        - Longing, Anfisa!
        - Longing, Raisa!
        - Oh, my God, how boring!
        - Though a wolf howl.
      2. tlauicol
        tlauicol 26 February 2023 08: 53
        +8
        This is for tourists. Not wax dolls sit in secret corners, flicker in the passages, but bam! Living people. And not everywhere, but unexpectedly. atmospheric
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 26 February 2023 10: 01
          +9
          And not everywhere, but unexpectedly. atmospheric


          Hmmm...anything can happen from such an effect. wassat

      3. kalibr
        26 February 2023 10: 09
        +8
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        It's boring.

        Ladies read chivalric novels, listened to visiting minstrels, or even went hunting... By the way, an article about chivalric romances of the Middle Ages has already been written and is waiting in the wings. And what kind of illustrations are there ... Shine!
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 26 February 2023 11: 08
          +8
          Ladies read chivalric novels, listened to visiting minstrels, and even went hunting ...

          They that, only such hogwash also were engaged!? belay

          But what about ....

          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 February 2023 11: 34
            +8
            Illustration for a joke. “I work as a librarian, but what you thought is a hobby” (c).
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 25
            +1
            But what about ....

            Picture of the authorship of one of the Pre-Raphaelites. Who is the author, what is the name?
        2. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 11: 54
          +5
          For me, in the Middle Ages there was only one chivalric romance worthy of mention - the case of the Nelskaya Tower. laughing
          But we will look forward to the article - thanks! hi
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 26 February 2023 12: 22
            +3
            But what about the many adventures of Old Harry?
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 12: 55
              +7
              It is generally not interesting to talk about the numerous adventures of crowned persons of the male sex. What is there to discuss if the absence of official bastards from the nobleman called into question the legitimacy of his legitimate heirs? We will not discuss the fall of each drop during a downpour?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 26 February 2023 13: 27
                +4
                In the "case of the Nelskaya" tower, too, not petty noblewomen passed, Capetians by blood.
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 13: 52
                  +4
                  The key word is "noblewomen", that is, females. You can recall many cases in the Middle Ages, when adultery by a woman would be so clearly documented, I'm not talking about the royal family - just the betrayal of a woman from a high-ranking family?
                  In general, if you look at a purely external entourage, then this is a matter, well, a purely chivalrous romance, and even multiplied in two. smile
                  Unfortunate princesses, valiant knights, an ominous tower, all-consuming passion, treason, the revenge of jealous cuckolds ... True, in the novel, valiant knights would challenge someone to a duel, defeat them and free the beauties. But here the ending is not important. It is, in my opinion, secondary. The main thing - juicy scenery and all-consuming passion.
                  By the way, it’s strange that Netflix hasn’t taken up this story yet.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 26 February 2023 14: 12
                    +3
                    By the way, it’s strange that Netflix hasn’t taken up this story yet.
                    These are more likely to take on Edward II!)))
                    But the French filmed the series, but mediocre.
                    And in general, as for me, "the case of the Nelskaya Tower" is not a chivalric novel, but a military-political thriller, especially if you think about the clauses of the Burgundyk marriage contract.
                    1. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 14: 45
                      +4
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      a military-political thriller

                      This is if you get to the bottom of it. But we're not that boring. smile
                      And what was there in the girls' marriage contract?
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 February 2023 14: 58
                        +3
                        They became princesses in exchange for their father's refusal to transfer Burgundy to the heir. Thus, after the death of Otto IV, Burgundy was to enter the royal dominion. But this did not happen, and France, in addition to the Century, also received decades of civil war.
                      2. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 16: 18
                        +4
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        decades of civil war

                        Are we sure we are not confusing the duchy of Burgundy and the county? Robert the Young died before Mago's mother, thus, sacredly fulfilling his father's persuasion. And the wars of the Armagnacs with the Bourguignons are a completely different Burgundy, if I understand correctly.
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 February 2023 16: 46
                        +2
                        It is my understanding that Otto succeeded both the dukedom and the earldom. And Robert the Young, I must say, died very timely, exactly a year after the "case of the Nel Tower." And Mago is generally "out of business" here, she had enough of her showdowns with her nephew, plus two disgraced daughters. Although everything is connected...
                      4. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 17: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        dukedom and county

                        These are two different possessions, different dynasties, different affiliations.
                        The county is the current Franche-Comté. Philip the Handsome tore the county from the HRE, annexing it to his kingdom, and it united with the Duchy of Burgundy already under Valois.
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 February 2023 15: 31
                        +4
                        But we're not that boring
                        About myself, I would not be so categorical. And according to the courtly definition of someone, "recently a somewhat aggressive" bore.)))
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 26 February 2023 15: 17
                    +3
                    You can recall many cases in the Middle Ages when adultery on the part of a woman would be so clearly documented,
                    It is necessary to look at Togoeva, I think something was considered in the "Chatelet Criminal Register".
                    1. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 16: 28
                      +4
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      somewhat aggressive

                      This is good. If goodness must be with fists, then enlightenment is also possible.
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      in the "Chatelet Criminal Register"

                      This is a register of affairs of ordinary citizens, as far as I understand. Not high-ranking people. Their affairs, by and large, are of little interest to anyone, both then and now. Unless you, and even a couple of scumbags, such as the same Togoeva.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 February 2023 17: 24
                        +2
                        This is a register of affairs of ordinary citizens, as far as I understand. Not high-ranking persons
                        Everything needs to be studied as a whole. And with "The Parisian Housewife", and with "The Diary of a Parisian Citizen", and with poems by Estache Deshtan.
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 26 February 2023 19: 16
                        +4
                        Enlightenment with fists can appear, for example, in the form of a bursa with rods. So?
      4. mihaylov
        mihaylov 26 February 2023 10: 30
        +9
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        It's boring.

        I just want to shoot chickens from the window with a crossbow, but then again the majordomo will grumble all day ... wassat
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 February 2023 10: 51
          +7
          The servant is initially brought up. This is talent. Often from birth.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 26 February 2023 11: 22
          +9
          shoot from a window at chickens from a crossbow,


          Or vice versa, out of boredom, slam out of the falconet on these windows. laughing

          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 28 February 2023 19: 48
            +1
            Or vice versa, out of boredom, slam out of the falconet on these windows.

            Judging by the type of loading, this is not a falconet, but a cooler.
        3. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 12: 05
          +9
          I shot last month, the result:
          I lost four arrows, they haven’t found them yet, but they cost money, there’s so much iron there ...
          the cook's son, with a shot in his leg, yelled for half an hour as if he were being stabbed. Although they cut it, the tip was taken out ...
          my husband had to eat one chicken for a whole week, and I had to listen to all sorts of uncouth things from him ...
          And it’s not interesting to shoot at swallows ...
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 29
            +1
            And it’s not interesting to shoot at swallows ...

            ... said the somewhat upset Count Michaud-Urs de Borrell, and, in order to cheer himself up, he went to demand the rights of the first night from the villagers ...

      5. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 26 February 2023 11: 35
        +8
        It's boring.
        "You need to marry, master ..." (C)
        1. Richard
          Richard 26 February 2023 17: 56
          +5
          Yes, a whole bunch of entertainment was for the servants. Here you can listen to the preacher, and go to the miracles (Medieval theatrical performances that were mainly responsible for the spiritual entertainment of the townspeople and explained the Holy Scriptures in one form or another in the folk language), or go to the morality (Moralita is something between a religious and a comic theater for a simple People in allegorical form they showed the struggle between good and evil in the world). as written in one of the documents of 1390, stored in the archives of the city hall in Tours. And stare at wandering artists, and take a walk at the fair,
          And dancing is a separate topic - you can write a whole article here!
          There were dance houses intended exclusively for ordinary citizens: a roof was built on four pillars over a wooden deck, slightly raised above the ground. There were musicians on them, and men and women danced around in a circle. There were also capital all-weather dance houses, for example, in Nordlingen there was even a three-story one!
          link: how to have fun in the middle ages. https://arzamas.academy/materials/331
          1. Richard
            Richard 26 February 2023 18: 02
            +7
            For those who did not like street fun, there were home entertainment. For example, blind man's buff and "Frog in the middle." The rules of the last game are as follows: a person sat in the center, and the rest teased and beat him. The task was to catch one of the players without leaving the circle, and then he became a "frog".
            There were also quiet games: according to the rules of some, it was necessary to answer the question of the presenters without concealment, others - to tell a story. In addition, they played "Saint Cosmas": one of the participants took on the role of a saint, while the others knelt in front of him in turn. The host had to make the kneeling player laugh in any way, and then he would perform some task.
            Already in the Middle Ages, checkers, chess, dice and even cards were popular among the common people.
            1. Richard
              Richard 26 February 2023 18: 08
              +8
              Going to the bathhouse and having a good drink in a tavern is a sacred thing. In Paris at the end of the 26th century there were 12 baths, half a century later in Nuremberg - 10, in Erfurt - 29, in Vienna - 12, in Wroclaw - XNUMX. and adjoining taverns acquired the character of a brothel: the townspeople had not only food and drink, but also massage and services of prostitutes, who were often called "banners".
              In general, prostitution, although condemned by the church, was considered an inevitable phenomenon. "Houses for women" or "glorious houses" belonged to noble families, merchants, royal officials, and even bishops and abbots. In the Middle Ages, visiting a brothel by unmarried men was not considered shameful - it was seen as a sign of health and well-being.
              link: how to have fun in the middle ages. https://arzamas.academy/materials/331
              PS.Pictures from medieval miniatures to this text for highly moral reasons, and most importantly - standing behind his wife yes I don't.
              Hope for colleagues smile
  4. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 26 February 2023 07: 02
    +8
    After five years of fighting, Alfonso suffered a crushing defeat at the Battle of Toro (1476)
    There was no crushing defeat, there was a fighting draw. Everything else is the subsequent intrigues of Castilian propaganda.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  5. ArchiPhil
    ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 07: 02
    +9

    Modestly here with you. But cleanly. laughing
    It probably blew cool from below. To users. recourse
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 26 February 2023 07: 20
      +6
      It 'warm over there. 173 kilometers to Madrid. In April +20 Celsius.
      1. ArchiPhil
        ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 07: 36
        +9
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        April +20 Celsius.

        What about the wind? laughing
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 26 February 2023 07: 54
          +10
          How to explain ... I served in Murmansk and we also had a "hole" toilet system. Felt the difference? And you say the wind...
          1. ArchiPhil
            ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 08: 00
            +10
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            "hole"

            In Germany, in the old barracks there was a similar one. But in the castle, the toilet is still on top. recourse
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 26 February 2023 08: 29
              +9
              But in the castle, the toilet is still on top
              You will laugh, in Murmansk too! Our unit was at the highest point in the city.
            2. mihaylov
              mihaylov 26 February 2023 10: 33
              +6
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              But in the castle, the toilet is still on top.

              Yes, really, the main thing here is, as in that joke about Cheburashka, not to succumb to the mood for the song "Stand up, children, stand in a circle." laughing
        2. tlauicol
          tlauicol 26 February 2023 08: 27
          +10
          Quote: ArchiPhil
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          April +20 Celsius.

          What about the wind? laughing

          Counter? wink
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 February 2023 15: 12
            +2
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            April +20 Celsius.

            Everything is known in comparison, for example, a latrine on a sailing ship in the White Sea at -10 Celsius?
            What about the wind? laughing

            Counter? wink
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 27 February 2023 08: 04
              +3
              In the diaries of Lazarev, Kruzenshtern, etc., a fall from a latrine is the most common cause of the death of team members. Not diseases, not savages, not injuries from sailors or cargo falling onto the deck, but a latrine
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 31
            +1
            Counter?

            At the same time, the ass exposed in the slot will blow and dry better than any bidet. laughing
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 26 February 2023 07: 21
      +9
      Yes, the "blowing" here is burning with hellish flames. laughing
      1. Richard
        Richard 26 February 2023 20: 59
        +4
        Yeah, "blowing" here is burning with hellish flames


        Light at the end of the tunnel?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 27 February 2023 01: 19
          +3
          Light at the end of the tunnel?


          Hit counted!!! laughing good good
  6. ArchiPhil
    ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 07: 24
    +8
    *to a descendant of the Duchess of Alba...*
    Is that the one I was thinking about? The *plastic* victim?
  7. not the one
    not the one 26 February 2023 08: 14
    +16
    Good morning everyone and have a nice day! And "Forgive me if you can!"
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 26 February 2023 08: 44
      +15
      God will forgive. You forgive me.

      Universal formula.
      1. not the one
        not the one 26 February 2023 09: 11
        +15
        "Optimization is everything"
        "God forgives and I forgive"
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 February 2023 09: 23
          +13
          Optimization ruins too often. And the upcoming restrictions can air the brains.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 26 February 2023 10: 17
        +15
        God will forgive.

        And with God, this is how it will turn out ... request

        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 February 2023 10: 52
          +9
          As in modern jokes from the service sector: "It didn't work."
          1. Richard
            Richard 26 February 2023 21: 07
            +5
            Modern youth may well interpret this illustration to the biblical parable about the expulsion of Adam and Eve from paradise Eden in the following way -
            face control in the nightclub did not pass
            yes
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 26 February 2023 21: 53
              +6
              And there is nothing to strive for with your apples or Calvados.
  8. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 February 2023 08: 19
    +13
    Author.
    The history of castles goes back to Roman forts,

    A controversial statement.
    The classic castle of a feudal lord is his fortified dwelling (estate) sometimes surrounded only by a palisade. The Franks, Angles, Saxons and Alemanni who came to the lands of the Roman Empire had enough of their own (tribal) knowledge and skills to build the first baronial and count castles. Yes, there were facts of adapting the heritage of Rome, but sometimes the villa of a Roman patrician was dismantled, and on its foundation a feudal lord's house was built with outbuildings from a blacksmith to a cowshed. Subsistence farming - however.
    The forts of Rome were also occasionally used, but we must remember that they were left far behind (on the border). Their closest ideological heirs are the English boogies of Alfred the Great. But the same Londenaum (London) of his era is a sparsely populated crumbling city. The protective structures of which were periodically restored when the "fried rooster pecks." Before William the Conqueror, there was even a business - trading in Roman construction materials from London and York.
    1. Luminman
      Luminman 26 February 2023 09: 06
      +10
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Before William the Conqueror, there was even a business - trading in Roman building materials from London and York

      Products of architects were traded not only in Britain. Active trade went on between the barbarian "kingdoms" and Byzantium. Columns, porticos and whole portals were taken out of Byzantium, because the barbarians did not know how to build, but the "kings" there, who had just crawled out of the mud, wanted to live beautifully. Well, after the looting of Constantinople by the crusaders, entire buildings were dismantled and taken to the West ...
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 February 2023 09: 26
        +10
        Modern Venice is more than a clear confirmation of this.
        1. Luminman
          Luminman 26 February 2023 09: 28
          +11
          Quote: Korsar4
          Modern Venice is more than a clear confirmation of this.

          It is the top importer... wink
          1. depressant
            depressant 26 February 2023 10: 42
            +12
            Venice suddenly became shallow.
            They say you can walk on some channels. Well, in rubber boots, of course. Probably, as a terrible revenge, they transferred their water to the Turkish Iskenderun - it was decently flooded there. Resentful.
            1. Ruyter-57
              Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 19: 35
              +6
              They say you can walk on some channels. Well, in rubber boots, of course.






              A long period of strong low tides, which is associated with the presence of a powerful anticyclone over Italy. The level dropped by 70 cm against the ordinary. But the record was in 1934 - 121 centimeters.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 26 February 2023 20: 23
                +9
                Are gondoliers massively out of work?

                However, gondola rides were more like taking cash from gullible tourists.
                1. Ruyter-57
                  Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 20: 32
                  +6
                  The problem is not only with the gondoliers. Delivery services, postal services, transfers to hotels, garbage collection, all emergency services, even hearses - in Venice it's all water transport. Therefore, everyone has problems.
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 26 February 2023 20: 49
                    +7
                    Yes. By car you can roam where there is space. For example, on the island of Lido.

                    Are the tides regulated in some way?
                    1. Ruyter-57
                      Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 21: 04
                      +4
                      What kind of space is there? one road - and that embankment.
                      Are the tides regulated in some way?

                      Of course, like any ebb and flow. Considering their influence on the life of the city, Venice has a special website where the dynamics of the tides is presented in dynamics for each day.

                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 26 February 2023 21: 32
                        +5
                        It is clear that space is not on our scale.

                        It is already noticeable that the problem of water is one of the main ones in our century on a global scale.

                        And after a special case - the drought of 2010, I rejoice at every drop of water.

                        Today, for example, it was snowing. And melted.
                      2. Ruyter-57
                        Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 22: 34
                        +4
                        It is already noticeable that the problem of water is one of the main ones in our century on a global scale.

                        If only the problem was water .... in our century.
  9. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 08: 47
    +11
    A good castle, beautiful, elegant... But there is no medieval brutality in it. When you look at him, thoughts come to mind, rather about love affairs than about sieges, assaults and heroic watering of the advancing with boiled feces. smile The image of a stern baron with a proud, battle-scarred face does not arise in the head, one does not hear the strumming of chain mail, the clatter of hooves and the invocative sound of a horn ... Rather, the sounds of a lute or harp, red leggings, "green sleeves", poison and a dagger instead of a polished coarse hand the shaft of a spear and a heavy sword with impregnated pоthat darkened skin on the hilt.
    1. Luminman
      Luminman 26 February 2023 09: 14
      +9
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      But there is no medieval brutality in it.

      There are no real medieval castles in Europe for a long time. All were either demolished or rebuilt at the time of the strengthening of royal power. Only glamor left...
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 February 2023 09: 27
        +9
        The same feeling in general. Although Chillon, like nothing.

        But it's still a tourist attraction.
      2. kalibr
        26 February 2023 10: 14
        +9
        Quote: Luminman
        All were either demolished or rebuilt at the time of the strengthening of royal power.

        Well, you are wrong, there are castles that have not been rebuilt for 800 years and people live in them. Found at least two such locks. I even wrote to one, though they did not answer me.
        1. mihaylov
          mihaylov 26 February 2023 10: 38
          +7
          Quote: kalibr
          really didn't answer me.

          Looks like they are already dead... laughing
        2. Richard
          Richard 26 February 2023 19: 48
          +4
          One of them even wrote

          Somehow the phrase turned out to be ambiguous, don’t you find it, Vyachseslav? winked
      3. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 12: 10
        +7
        Quote: Luminman
        Only glamor left...

        No, there are still real structures that are not glamorized for tourists.
    2. kalibr
      26 February 2023 10: 13
      +6
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      The image of a stern baron with a proud, battle-scarred face does not arise in the head, the strumming of chain mail, the clatter of hooves and the inviting sound of a horn are not heard ...

      How subtly you perceive reality. Worthy of a poet!
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 13: 01
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        Worthy of a poet!

        The poet from me, frankly, is worthless. laughing But at one time I showed certain abilities for situational modeling. Which helped me solve one cold-blooded murder and possibly stop the series at the very beginning.
        But that's another story.
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 26 February 2023 10: 23
      +7
      the image of a stern baron with a proud, battle-scarred face,


      Yep, something like that... belay

    4. depressant
      depressant 26 February 2023 10: 45
      +9
      . thoughts come to mind, rather about love affairs

      Spring is coming... wassat )))
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 26 February 2023 13: 05
        +5
        Quote: depressant
        Spring is coming.

        In the spring, thoughts come about sinful sin and other promiscuity. laughing Love intrigues - subtle and sensual - rather, an attribute of golden autumn... smile
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 February 2023 15: 06
          +6
          I don’t know how it is for anyone, our heating mains have not yet “opened”, under the snow, the concerts of the tailed ones have not begun !!! laughing
          1. ArchiPhil
            ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 16: 19
            +6
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            tailed concerts have not started!!!

            Fluffy people are gaining strength! bully
            Forgive me Vlad!
            1. Richard
              Richard 26 February 2023 18: 29
              +6
              Seryozha, Vlad hi
              anecdote to the topic: smile
              The chamber orchestra is seated for rehearsal. A conversation between two musicians:
              - Why are you so gloomy?
              - I didn’t get enough sleep - all night the cats yelled under the window
              What were they yelling at?
              - Yes, who will understand them. some kind of pop
  10. Ruyter-57
    Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 08: 49
    +6
    More than 10 castles have been cataloged in Spain, but only a small number of them have survived to this day in an acceptable condition.

    Here the author misled the audience a little, perhaps this is due to the translation. In fact:
    en España hay más de 10.000 castillos and palacios

    Spain has over 10 castles and palaces.
    Of those 10, about 000 fall into the category of classical castles.
    1. Ruyter-57
      Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 09: 22
      +6
      An interesting moment - on the Iberian Peninsula, there are two Belmonte castles!
      One, which the author writes about, is located in Spain, in the province of Cuenca, near the town of Belmonte.
      And the second is located in Portugal, in the municipality of Belmonte.

      The Portuguese Belmonte is of course inferior to the Spanish.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 26 February 2023 10: 55
        +6
        The Portuguese Belmonte is of course inferior to the Spanish.
        But he is older by a couple of centuries.
  11. depressant
    depressant 26 February 2023 09: 00
    +17
    I will note in passing.
    This is what happens when the national aristocracy is strong. For centuries they build, for centuries they protect, restore.
    Good morning everyone and have a nice day before the work week! love )))
    And why did you remember? wassat )))
    I'm talking about work.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 26 February 2023 09: 28
      +11
      Work is wonderful. Especially when you go for it with joy.
    2. ArchiPhil
      ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 09: 49
      +11
      Quote: depressant
      have a nice day before work week! )))

      For some, it never stopped. Alas. At work. belay
      Forgive me, Orthodox!
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 26 February 2023 10: 01
        +11
        Quote: ArchiPhil
        Forgive me, Orthodox!

        God will forgive. And you forgive me...
        1. ArchiPhil
          ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 16: 13
          +4
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          God will forgive. And you forgive me...

          And you me too. Sorry, I didn’t answer right away. Work, you understand. Moreover, * the bell * is still not observed. With all due respect. hi
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 February 2023 10: 54
        +12
        God will forgive! And you, Seryozha, I'm sorry.

        And I perceive work as another fortified area.
        1. ArchiPhil
          ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 16: 16
          +5
          Quote: Korsar4
          And you, Seryozha, I'm sorry.

          Of course, Sergei, of course! With all due respect. By the way. Is there any ambiguity in the answer *God forgive.*? Just curious.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 February 2023 16: 56
            +4
            Observed. I don't like formulaic phrases.

            But it all depends on what everyone puts into this concept.
            1. ArchiPhil
              ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 17: 07
              +5
              What do I think about this phrase? Well, probably something like this: God will forgive, but I? I’ll think again, but I won’t tell the interlocutor about it.
  12. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 26 February 2023 09: 16
    +12
    And all this time the castle, towering over the city, has never been subjected to either a siege or an assault ... That is, as a military fortification, it turned out to be completely useless to anyone!

    But not a fact!
    There is a high probability that if there were no fortifications at all, someone would have decided ... angry
    After that, The Lord of the Rings (Ralph Bakshi, 1978) was filmed there.

    It's curious how, given the fact that Bakshi's film is ... animated!
    https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/5919/
    Recall that the word "castle" comes from the Latin castellun

    Hmm ... I still think that the Russian word "castle" comes from the Polish "zamek", which in turn is borrowed from the Czech, and then from the Middle High German "slōʒ", which is a tracing paper from the Latin "clusa" "constipation, fort, fortification »
    1. Ruyter-57
      Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 10: 17
      +9
      It's curious how, given the fact that Bakshi's film is ... animated!

      The 1978 film The Lord of the Rings was filmed using phototransposition or rotoscoping. First, the episode is filmed on real scenery with live actors, and then frame-by-frame redrawing takes place on a rotoscope.

      The Soviet cartoons "The Snow Queen", "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish" were also filmed using photo translation.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 February 2023 15: 02
      +6
      Hmm ... I still think that the Russian word "castle" comes from the Polish "zamek", which in turn is borrowed from the Czech, and then from the Middle High German "slōʒ", which is a tracing paper from the Latin "clusa" "constipation, fort, fortification »

      The Russian language also has its own definitions of the castle of the feudal lord: citadel, kremlin.
      1. ArchiPhil
        ArchiPhil 26 February 2023 16: 50
        +3
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Kremlin

        The origin of the word *Kremlin* is still debated. bully
      2. depressant
        depressant 26 February 2023 17: 01
        +1
        The Russian language also has its own definitions of the castle of the feudal lord: citadel, kremlin.


        The feudal lord, perhaps, lived in the citadel, but the prince did not. He lived in the settlement, while the squad was found in the citadel. Interesting, right? To not seize power? laughing
        As for the origin of the word, yes. Children were placed there in times of danger. Another - the combatants were called lads (children). The third, like the Poles, is Dedinets (they saved old people there).
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 26 February 2023 17: 30
          +4
          Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Remind me, please, yesterday or the day before yesterday he spoke about a terrible "blizzard"?
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 February 2023 19: 20
            +5
            I remind you. Said.

            Can I start a forum journal or a conduit?
          2. balabol
            balabol 26 February 2023 23: 10
            +4
            "Dear Anton!
            If, in your opinion, I told a blizzard, taken, by the way, from available sources ... "


            Anton has a lot of questions for you, and here I have, for example, too. How will be correct? Someone "tells" a blizzard or "carries"? Or does it depend on the individual? Or from the availability of sources from where they draw information?
        2. depressant
          depressant 26 February 2023 20: 22
          +3
          Dear Anton!
          If, in your opinion, I told the blizzard, taken, by the way, from available sources, then tell the City and the world the true origin of the term "detinets" and look around triumphantly, bowing in response to the deafening applause of those present. And I, ashamed of ignorance, with tears in my eyes, I will humbly thank you for a bit of enlightenment wassat )))
      3. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 26 February 2023 17: 38
        +4
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        The Russian language also has its own definitions of the castle of the feudal lord: citadel, kremlin.

        Hm. The question is certainly interesting.
        The fact is that we had almost no castles in the classical sense, as a fortified place of residence a separate feudal lord. But at the same time, many cities can be considered as collective feudal castles.
      4. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 27 February 2023 20: 36
        +1
        The Russian language also has its own definitions of the castle of the feudal lord: citadel, kremlin.

        The Pskov Kremlin had its own name - Krom. But the Novgorod Kremlin is only now called by such a word, historically - yes, "child". drinks
        Vladislav, when you cook pasta, do not say "al dente", but "baked". So more correctly, Michael will confirm! laughing drinks
  13. north 2
    north 2 26 February 2023 11: 34
    +7
    come out, the Slavic peoples, Poles, Russians, Czechs, calling Catholic places of worship churches do not do the right thing, because in Latin it is a castle.
  14. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 February 2023 12: 13
    +8
    I sincerely envy the Spaniards who have managed to preserve their national heritage. Unlike us, I mean myself and my countrymen.
    The house of the manager of the Nizhneserginsky ironworks.

    Yesterday, photo "Uralved" 2015.

    Today.
    1. balabol
      balabol 26 February 2023 21: 55
      +7
      Let's try to find something good in us in the preservation of cultural heritage.
      The Feodorovsky Cathedral in Pushkin (Tsarskoye Selo) was restored from the ruins. This was done 20-15 years ago. Then there was the Military Chamber complex (Museum of the First World War) 7 years ago, the Chapelle and Arsenal pavilions 3 years ago, the Imperial Farm pavilions this year. Fedorovsky town is being restored on a very large scale and will be completed in 2027. This is one of the most significant.
      The grandiose work is connected with the reconstruction of the Alexander Palace. Under part of the main walls, a new foundation was laid, the truss system was replaced, the walls were strengthened and special wall fastenings were applied. Expensive and long, but done right. In this palace, 14 rooms were opened for the imperial family. The other day I was to see the last open halls. I took a few pictures with my phone. Not great, but for show.

      The picture shows flowering bushes. White lilac and orange, alive. Grown in the greenhouses of the landscape gardening complex.


      Alexandra Feodorovna's private living room. Reading books, relaxing, playing music.


      And here they smoked. Three rifles is a rack for smoking accessories.


      The office of Nikolai Alexandrovich. Room for rest and business meetings. In some cases, during meetings, maps of military operations were placed on the billiard table.


      And here is the bath with a pool. In Soviet times, as part of the transformation of the palace for various purposes (museum, rest home, orphanage, military institute) into a pool (the blue edge is visible), builders dumped garbage in which there were samples of almost all ceramic tiles that were used in interiors. They were used by restorers in their work.
  15. Ruyter-57
    Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 15: 43
    +6
    In the XNUMXth century, the Manrique family appeared in the castle, receiving the official title of Marquis of Belmonte by royal decree.

    In the XNUMXth century, two noble titles of the "Marquis of Belmonte" were established - marquesado de Belmonte de la Vega Real, which was received by Jaime Manuel Manrique de Lara y Cardenas, and marquesado de Belmonte, which was received by Cristobal Gomez de Sandoval Rojas y de la Cerda. In addition, the title of "Counts of Belmonte" - condado de Belmonte de Tajo - was established, this title was given to Juan de Prado Marmol y de la Torre. But that's not all. At the same time, the title of "Prince of Belmonte" was established, which was awarded to a certain Orazio Giovan Battista Ravaschieri Fieschi. I failed to find out which of these worthy persons were directly related to Belmonte Castle.
  16. depressant
    depressant 26 February 2023 17: 25
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    And I dug about the kid.
    There is another version.
    For example, researcher Laskovsky believes that the word "detinets" comes from the word DET (to put on, put on, hide, secretly place). Indeed, in case of danger, church shrines, valuables, children, women and the elderly were placed in the citadel. From that era, apparently, remains: "And where did this name, object?" Well, let's say a cat wassat )))
    1. Ruyter-57
      Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 20: 42
      +4
      researcher Laskovsky

      With all due respect to the merits of Lieutenant General and military engineer Fyodor Fedorovich Laskovsky, who taught fortification to the Grand Dukes, the researcher-etymologist from him is about the same as from Zadornov.
      On the origin of the word "detinets" there is an excellent article by Zhanna Zhanovna Varbot in the first issue of the journal "Russian speech" for 1977, page 80.
      1. depressant
        depressant 26 February 2023 21: 48
        +1
        The etymologist J. J. Warbot suggested that the name of the city fortress was not associated with children at all. The researcher considers the Proto-Slavonic *dětinс as a derivative of the verb *děti/*dějati 'build, create'. In this case detinets is originally a 'established (fortified) settlement'.


        Well?
        What is built is built. You could not write about it right away, and not send me to hell?

        But there is another opinion.
        This etymology has also been criticized. So, the linguist A.F. Zhuravlev noticed that the Old Russian verbs deti, deyati, derived from the Proto-Slavic *děti/*dějati, expressed the meanings 'perform', 'act, act', 'put, put', 'place', 'hide' , 'to do'. In relation to the construction, the creation of any material objects, they were not used. Therefore, it is doubtful that in the Proto-Slavic language these verbs had a "building" semantics.


        Dixi
        1. Ruyter-57
          Ruyter-57 26 February 2023 22: 32
          +4
          You could not write about it right away, and not send me to hell?

          I pointed out the source, I don’t have to rewrite the entire article, but the course of thought is important there.
  17. Marlenych
    Marlenych 26 February 2023 22: 55
    +4
    From the beginning I did not understand how the castle looked like in The Lord of the Rings (Ralph Bakshi, 1978). It's a cartoon. Then I remembered that there are inserts of "shadows" of live actors. Probably, against the backdrop of the castle. No, it's just drawn. Found.

  18. Michael_Zverev
    Michael_Zverev 27 February 2023 01: 00
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    Quote: Richard
    In medieval castles, they often rested like that

    This depicts the bedroom of the grooms, the owners of the castles could still count on more comfortable conditions.