“Ammunition just began to be given like everyone else”: Khodakovsky commented on the situation with ammunition for the Wagner PMC

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“Ammunition just began to be given like everyone else”: Khodakovsky commented on the situation with ammunition for the Wagner PMC

The problem with the supply of ammunition to PMC "Wagner" went into a wide media field, forcing the Ministry of Defense to make an official statement on this fact and refute the blocking of the supply of shells to the "musicians". Alexander Khodakovsky expressed his point of view on this situation.

According to the commander of the Vostok, the problem is not at all that the Wagnerites have ceased to be supplied with ammunition, but that they have been put on general norms, having begun to be supplied, like other units of the Russian army. They began to give to everyone. Previously, PMCs received more ammunition, they were specially allocated for it Aviation, tactical and cruise missiles, etc. And the "musicians" gave results, moving forward. Now everything has been cut.



Frankly, we envied the "Wagners" in a good way, when they had their own front-line aviation, the daily norm of two Iskanders and one Caliber (...) when they dragged prisoners from all over the country to them ... We envied, but understood that they did not give anyone such a supply - and he will give the same result as they. The result is not only the quantity

- he writes in his TG channel.

According to Khodakovsky, the general norms for the consumption of ammunition on which the Wagner was planted do not allow for a normal offensive, this also applies to units of the Russian army. As an example, he cited the situation near Ugledar, where ours deliberately reduced the daily consumption of ammunition in order to accumulate more shells for the first day of the offensive. Hence the problems with the inability to move on.

Meanwhile, there is no shortage of ammunition at the front, various sources have repeatedly reported this. The Russian military-industrial complex has managed to increase the number of shells of all calibers produced by several times, even exceeding the required volumes.
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  1. +44
    February 22 2023
    It turns out that there is a problem of supply and the rhythm of supplies ...
    1. +20
      February 22 2023
      Certainly. Warehouses cannot be located closer than 50-60 km to the LBS, otherwise the Hymers will cover. It is difficult and long for supply vehicles to travel such a distance in a war. The consumption of our artillery shells is large. Here is the result.
      1. +8
        February 22 2023
        Warehouses cannot be located closer than 50-60 km to the LBS, otherwise the Hymers will cover.

        Judging by the events of today, they will have to move 150 km, or leave ammunition depots in the zone of destruction of the Himars.
      2. +2
        February 22 2023
        Warehouses cannot be located closer than 50-60 km to the LBS, otherwise the Hymers will cover.

        This, by the way, to the issue of uninterrupted supplies, the problem must be solved.
        You can hide / isolate the neighborhood from the local population, as an option.
    2. +3
      February 22 2023
      Prigozhin blames the Moscow Region, the Moscow Region blames the Industrialists, the Industrialists blame the lack of funding, i.e. financiers, and so on in a circle until Prigogine is again extreme.
      1. +29
        February 22 2023
        The situation resembles the situation a little more than a century ago. 1915-16 ... I would not like the consequences of this situation
        1. +25
          February 22 2023
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          The situation resembles the situation a little more than a century ago. 1915-16 ... I would not like the consequences of this situation

          More like 1916 than 1915. There are shells. Problems with delivery, logistics. But Brusilov, unfortunately, no. Some Kuropatkins. And these same Kuropatkins did not read books at all about the Brusilov breakthrough.
          1. +21
            February 22 2023
            Excuse me, Kuropatkin himself wrote a normal book about the REV, moreover, in good language and in a normal presentation of the topic.
            So, Kuropatkin still had the Trans-Siberian Railway behind his back with 6 pairs of trains at the beginning and about 20 pairs later (when we throw a load lifted by a two-axle wagon -24 tons are modern and I’m not sure that so much then) Kuropatkin had the second and third stages of the stock of part of the new formation at the beginning, almost everyone, and only then did corps from European Russia, ferries on Baikal, and fucking smart generals in the GAU and three-inch guns with shrapnel go.
            So, excuse me today, many still need to grow before Kuropatkin (it's just that the Dnieper and Baikal are about supply difficulties, about the width of the water surface)
            This hour is only hope for the soldiers and officers of the front, may the Lord keep them.
            1. +10
              February 22 2023
              Quote: saigon
              So Kuropatkin still had the Trans-Siberian Railway behind his back

              And there was a revolution in the rear of Kuropatkin. Thanks to the Socialist-Revolutionaries, the Cadets, and the Octobrists (nothing to do with the upcoming October Revolution), and of course the RSDLP. But all those forces and means that the revolution diverted to itself could be used on the Japanese front with much greater benefit for the country. Literally a little was not enough, the Japanese economy was already bursting at the seams, Mutsuhito's treasury showed the bottom, and even the impudent people did not want to supply ammunition on credit (at least Japanese naval artillery, and it seems like field artillery, too, used English calibers). But, alas, history cannot be replayed.
              1. +6
                February 22 2023
                The revolution, to be more precise, after the removal of Kuropatkin from the commanders.
                Yes, and the revolution, in principle, is a response to the results of the war.
                More important is the psychological breakdown of the Imperial entourage.
                The ground forces of Japan were more focused on Germany, the Krupp guns were in the army
                Oddly enough, the Japanese Army and Navy are differently oriented structures, and after a couple of decades, the Japanese Navy was going to land landing units to fight the army.
                1. 0
                  February 22 2023
                  Kuropatkin wrote good books, he was a noble theorist and did a lot in this field, but in practice he couldn’t at all, he could only “regroup” and nothing more, although he had such opportunities.
                  1. 0
                    February 22 2023
                    Everyone knew about this property of his inability to direct control, and he did not climb first to steer, he was appointed.
              2. +1
                February 22 2023
                Quote: Nagan
                But all those forces and means that the revolution diverted to itself could be used on the Japanese front with much greater benefit for the country.

                And that revolution, like the war was prepared and unleashed, is not Russian and the ears of the Anglo-Saxons stick out from all the cracks there.
              3. +2
                February 23 2023
                Well, firstly, here on the forum a good half, if not more, considers the new revolution a panacea for an early victory. Secondly, it was the distance to industrial centers and the inability to promptly supply weapons and replenishment that played a bad joke on Kuropatkin. Well, the fact that the Far Eastern divisions were of rather low quality in terms of training.
          2. +8
            February 22 2023
            Quote: Bearded
            But Brusilov, unfortunately, no. Some Kuropatkins. And these same Kuropatkins did not read books at all about the Brusilov breakthrough.

            In the next few days, all requests for ammunition submitted for February will be fully provided for assault units (Wagner) in the NMD zone - Russian Defense Ministry. In turn, Prigozhin said that 20% of the required amount of ammunition is provided. Khodakovsky writes that the supply of ammunition to Wagner was not completely cut off, but was only cut to the norm, which is issued to the rest of the units and divisions of the RF Armed Forces.
            The total number of dead Ukrainian soldiers destroyed by the hands of PMC "Wagner" is about 110 thousand - Prigozhin.
            I want to note that Khodakovsky is wrong. "Wagner" is now on the most difficult sector of the front, where the consumption of shells is the largest and the musicians are pushing through the enemy's defenses. And at the same time, be that as it may, the Marines from the 155th are not yet very successful in defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Vugledar. If the "Wagner" has a limit on ammunition, then in the Bakhmut District, you will get another Ugledar.
            1. -1
              February 23 2023
              I always said, I say and I will say: while the military rules in the army during the war, expect trouble, as soon as they are replaced by civilians, there will be victory. It was like that in the Second World War and now Prigozhen clearly shows how civilians are more effective.
          3. +2
            February 22 2023
            And these same Kuropatkins did not read books at all about the Brusilov breakthrough.

            By the way, Brusilov also had a problem with the rear, so the breakthrough came to naught.
            1. -1
              February 23 2023
              Somehow quite recently, Mr. Peskoff, who voices our beloved president, said that for them the ideal is the time of Nicholas 2 of Holstein-Gottorp-"Romanov", nicknamed by the people - "Bloody" ... so in everything we imitate the ideal and in In this sense, we are on the right path, comrades!
          4. 0
            February 23 2023
            Well, Kuropatkin, he wasn’t a fool at all: once he shot and shot at positions, but then, before the assault, a man from the General Staff arrived and began to teach how to shoot ... the result was shooting not at the Japanese, but at neighboring villages with Koreans and the Chinese. Yes, and the Brusilovsky breakthrough ended very, very sadly, only they amassed a headache with the protection of the Romanian borders. In general, the tsarist officer school was very weak, even in the Second World War, until the young generation of Soviet officers replaced the old people.
        2. +2
          February 23 2023
          Right!
          Very strongly reminiscent of that situation of the First World War (even wider: 1914-17).
          1. The similarity of the country's unpreparedness for the huge consumption of shells and ammunition by the front. It seems that now it is easier to straighten out, but then the front was larger both in number and in length.
          2. Similarity with logistics problems.
          BUT! There is also a HUGE difference: in the First World War in Russia there was no shortage of wagons in the military department, for the needs of the front. On the contrary, there was a shortage of wagons in the civil circulation of the Ministry of Railways, since part of the country worked according to civil rules and regulations, but sending wagons with cargo to the front, the Ministry of Railways (piece of iron) handed them over to the military department. And then, not particularly worrying about empty cars, they were in no hurry to return them back to the civil department of the Ministry of Railways, accumulated at home, empty and standing in vain! And the civilian Ministry of Railways did not have much opportunity to demand them back, to insist and complain about the military. As a result, there was a problem with the supply of St. Petersburg and the northern cities with grain and food in the winter of 1917, which led to demonstrations, riots, uprisings and the February Revolution.
          Under Stalin, these instructive mistakes were taken into account and at the beginning of the Second World War they immediately transferred the entire economy of the country and all transport to a military regime and military rules.
          We have now even weirder: it’s as if there is no war, there is a NWO - no one thinks about the martial law in Russian Railways. For what? Putin is calm - that means everything will come down anyway!
          3. The similarity is terrible in the sense of trusting the Entente (allies) then and some abstract "world community", already a hundred times violated "international law" and suicidal show off in the sense of following "universal principles", endless attempts to prove to everyone that we are the kindest and most humane, endless efforts not in terms of winning the war, but in the field of propaganda and ideology. One the insane masochistic "grain deal" cost the country!
          Then the Tsar secretly (only the Minister of Finance and the Central Bank knew) sent abroad by sea about 1/3 of the gold reserves of Russia (1450 tons in total) as collateral for loans for the supply of weapons, ammunition, equipment to Russia. The cunning allies and Japan took a pledge, issued a paper loan and ... delivered by 1917 military goods for only 1/4 of this mass of gold, justifying themselves by the fact that "we ourselves need weapons!" Then the revolution, the outgoing ministers, the bourgeois government or the Bolsheviks blew ... somewhere sometime (between February 1917 and March-April 1918) these secret documents (maybe someone bought, stole, destroyed) on bail. And all the gold secretly sent to the West and to Japan quietly and peacefully remained there. Read in detail in this book A.G. Mosyakina "The fate of the gold of the Russian Empire in the context of history. 1880-1922": https://slovo.net.ru/book/86867, and briefly about the shock of the Bolsheviks, who only six months later (for fools!) accidentally discovered "a shortage "1/3 royal gold here: https://flb.ru/3/4189.html
          Now, allegedly not subordinate to the "guarantor", the Central Bank has played abroad 300-310 billion dollars, half of the country's financial reserves - WORSE than under the king (!) and does NOTHING and does not even offer! Moreover, this seems to suit Putin as well, and he does not tear, does not throw, does not offer anything, does not scold the Central Bank. A country didn't do any kickbacks at all on the finances or property of countries that have blocked our finances! This is a pure game of giveaway. The king can be justified by the fact that he was waiting for the weapons to be put up and waited for ... a revolution. And you can’t justify Putin like that ... our finances NOBODY is officially going to return. There were no such statements.
          1. -1
            February 23 2023
            A good and absolutely correct historical digression, comrade ...
    3. +18
      February 22 2023
      They simply began to give ammunition like everyone else

      from what calculation? per capita of the trench population? attack aircraft as much as the defensemen? So it is necessary to voice it, and not remain silent in the offices. It is clear that the military politician Khodakovsky was asked to speak
      1. +4
        February 22 2023
        Here it is already clear that the military-industrial complex of Russia will not cope with the military-industrial complex of NATO, given that by the beginning of the NWO, the Kremlin did not assume that NATO would really decide to fight with Russia, and not expand for the sake of appearances. Therefore, this format was chosen to swing.
        1. +6
          February 22 2023
          Oddly enough, among Western countries, the United States is not in the first place in terms of production. And not even Germany. The Slovak holding ZVS is now producing about 20 thousand shells per month, by the end of this year they will try to reach the level of 100 thousand shells.

          Great America, Leader, hegemon and dominant all rolled into one today produces 14 shells per month. The Pentagon has invested (as it is now called) $2 billion in order to bring production up to 20 shells per month by the end of this year, and plans already in 2024 can hope for a level of 90 shells per month.

          According to Western intelligence estimates, until the beginning of 2022, the production of 152-caliber shells in Russia was 1,7 million pieces per year (slightly more than 141 thousand pieces per month). In 2022, Russia almost doubled the output, to 3,3 million units per year (275 thousand per month), and already in January, Sergei Shoigu announced that by the end of 2023, the output would rise by another 5 times, to 416 million units per year. (417-XNUMX thousand per month).
          1. +11
            February 22 2023
            Is the Slovak holding ZVS really doing so well with fire safety? Disorder, it is necessary to fix it so that it is like in the USA! wassat
        2. +2
          February 22 2023
          Here it is already clear that the military-industrial complex of Russia will not cope with the military-industrial complex of NATO, given that by the beginning of the NWO, the Kremlin did not assume that NATO would really decide to fight with Russia, and not expand for the sake of appearances. Therefore, this format was chosen to swing.

          NATO has a greater swing amplitude, so the problem needs to be solved quickly and radically - a military alliance and / or the destruction of infrastructure with a military breakthrough, using all available ones.
        3. 0
          February 22 2023
          Quote from Constantin N.
          Here it is already clear that the military-industrial complex of Russia will not cope with the military-industrial complex of NATO, given that by the beginning of the NWO, the Kremlin did not assume that NATO would really decide to fight with Russia, and not expand for the sake of appearances. Therefore, this format was chosen to swing.

          Can you try to argue? Or do you have only slogans in the training manual?
      2. +2
        February 22 2023
        in general, this is secret information, an order of the Ministry of Defense on combat kits and military supplies, on the basis of which troops are provided under two "00", those. sov.secretny (if anyone does not know). Well, in general, there are certain norms for the consumption of ammunition, by definition they cannot be endless, without this it is simply impossible. The commander (commander, etc.), when issuing a combat order, determines, among other things, the norms for the consumption of ammunition.
        1. +2
          February 22 2023
          Oddly enough, among Western countries, the United States is not in the first place in terms of production. And not even Germany. The Slovak holding ZVS is now producing about 20 thousand shells per month, by the end of this year they will try to reach the level of 100 thousand shells.

          Great America, Leader, hegemon and dominant all rolled into one today produces 14 shells per month. The Pentagon has invested (as it is now called) $2 billion in order to bring production up to 20 shells per month by the end of this year, and plans already in 2024 can hope for a level of 90 shells per month.

          According to Western intelligence estimates, until the beginning of 2022, the production of 152-caliber shells in Russia was 1,7 million pieces per year (slightly more than 141 thousand pieces per month). In 2022, Russia almost doubled the output, to 3,3 million units per year (275 thousand per month), and already in January, Sergei Shoigu announced that by the end of 2023, the output would rise by another 5 times, to 416 million units per year. (417-XNUMX thousand per month).
      3. +1
        February 22 2023
        Quote from ivan1979nkl
        from what calculation? per capita of the trench population?

        "Comrade Beria, what do you think about this?"
      4. +3
        February 22 2023
        Yes. Has spoken! Now there are more questions!
    4. +13
      February 22 2023
      Somehow I immediately remembered shooting in the army at the training ground. God forbid we lose a cartridge case, we are looking for the whole regiment in the grass until we find it. I think now the counting of shells fired does not require accounting? soldier
      1. +2
        February 22 2023
        What years was this? I read that when the first AKs went to the troops, there was control over each cartridge case at the level of a special officer. How many shots, well, the collection was carried out in plain sight, but without fanaticism.
        1. +2
          February 22 2023
          When the AK-74 was put into service, the collection of cartridge cases was controlled most severely, and when performing 3 UKS (control firing exercise), shooting at target No. 22 - "cow" (a group of infantry behind the parapet of the trench) was carried out on the move. So, to the right of the shooter, two fighters with a raincoat moved and caught flying cartridges. It was the GSVG. Then, however, all these "dances with tambourines" came to naught.
          1. +2
            February 23 2023
            Quote: hiller
            Then, however, all these "dances with tambourines" came to naught.

            1985 73rd SME. Shooting range - more than a spade bayonet, solid shells. Can't dig. 10 hectares. Cartridges on the shooting range are lying in bulk. (cartridges!), what can we say about the shells. 3 shoots per day. Two day and one night.
    5. +17
      February 22 2023
      This is essentially a recognition of the supply problems of our ENTIRE army! And some here are outraged where the strikes on railway bridges and communications! I would like to ask WHAT!!! Let's make calibers, strike, strike, strike, and we say why there are no regular strikes. The answer is clear to everyone. Yes, and in this situation we can not figure it out on our own. Leo, Abrams and Bradley can change a lot!!!
      1. -2
        February 22 2023
        Oddly enough, among Western countries, the United States is not in the first place in terms of production. And not even Germany. The Slovak holding ZVS is now producing about 20 thousand shells per month, by the end of this year they will try to reach the level of 100 thousand shells.

        Great America, Leader, hegemon and dominant all rolled into one today produces 14 shells per month. The Pentagon has invested (as it is now called) $2 billion in order to bring production up to 20 shells per month by the end of this year, and plans already in 2024 can hope for a level of 90 shells per month.

        According to Western intelligence estimates, until the beginning of 2022, the production of 152-caliber shells in Russia was 1,7 million pieces per year (slightly more than 141 thousand pieces per month). In 2022, Russia almost doubled the output, to 3,3 million units per year (275 thousand per month), and already in January, Sergei Shoigu announced that by the end of 2023, the output would rise by another 5 times, to 416 million units per year. (417-XNUMX thousand per month).
      2. +1
        February 23 2023
        And some here are outraged where the strikes on railway bridges and communications! I would like to ask WHAT!!!


        Firstly, not "some", but all normal people, not "sycophant-patriots" are outraged by this!
        It is obvious that this decision not to destroy the bridges on the Dnieper and the entire infrastructure of the railway comes "from above", and not from military specialists. Then in the history of this war there will be such spears about this "brilliant decision" to break and such a juggling of documents / memories will begin! This shame will overshadow the problem "why did Stalin believe Hitler / how was it allowed on June 22, 1941", and questions like "How did the USSR get into Afghanistan?" and "Who allowed the collapse of the USSR and why?"

        Secondly, just don’t give this excuse here about the fact that there is supposedly nothing to bang the bridges on the Dnieper!
        This argument works for weak countries with parade formal combat aviation, without a serious military-industrial complex and without 70 years of experience in the development of cruise missiles, long-range guided air-to-ground missiles! And then Germany, with gasoline planes, bridges from 1939 just rumbled like that - BEFORE THE WAR, Stalin had a secret program for building tunnels next to bridges across large rivers (by the way, two tunnels were built in Kiev then!) - Was Stalin wrong about this? Was he scared for nothing?

        The USSR and Russia have both sickly aviation and all sorts of different missiles in bulk.

        I'll just list:
        Cruise missiles:
        Kh-101 - warhead 400 kg, range over 5000 km. Reduce the mass of fuel by half (1250 kg -> 600 kg) and fill part of the explosive tanks - there will be 1000 kg of explosives. http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/x101.html

        Anti-ship missiles air-launched:
        1. X-22 "Storm" - warhead 960 kg, range 600 km, made 1000 pieces, https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5-22
        2. X-41 "Mosquito" - warhead 320 kg (penetrating), range 150 km,
        http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/pkr/moskit.html
        3. X-61 "Yakhont-A" - warhead 200-250 kg (penetrating), range 200-250 km.
        http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/pkr/yahont.html
        4. "Caliber-A" as many as three modifications ZM-54AE - a three-stage cruise missile with a detachable supersonic combat stage, 3M-54AE-1 - a two-stage subsonic cruise missile, and ZM-14AE - a subsonic cruise missile used to destroy ground targets.
        Warhead from 200 to 450 kg, range from 220 to 275 km.

        The supposedly small mass of warheads "sycophant-patriots" do not even have to stutter: Ukrainians Antonovsky Bridge is simply HIMARS M31 (GMLRS UNITARY) with Warhead weighing 91 kg stubbornly fired, and he became unsuitable for transport RF Armed Forces. Historical fact. Unpleasant, but true.

        Air-to-ground missiles:
        X-59 "Gadfly" - several types, warhead 150-310 kg, range 40-290 km.

        Planning bombs:
        https://vpk.name/library/f/pbk-500u.html
        http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/3m54.html
        Here is the main topic: https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/4352823.html
        about high-precision planning bombs UPAB-1500B (K029BE) with a warhead of 1500 kg and UPAB-500B (K08BE), previously already limitedly used in the NWO. These air bombs allow strikes from a height of 15 km at targets at ranges up to 50 km with an accuracy of up to 10 meters,
        The United States slammed all the big bridges in Serbia with these weapons. Not straining, not listening to their "sycophantic patriots" (of whom they have many times less, alas) with idiotic cries of "It's impossible! It's a modern bridge! You have to hit the support! Just right on the support!"

        Sea-launched anti-ship missiles:
        1. P-120 "Malachite" - warhead 800 kg, range up to 150 km (Sea of ​​​​Azov, from Stroganovka to bridges in Zaporozhye will reach) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F-120
        2. P-70 "Amethyst" warhead 1000 kg, range up to 80 km (bring it in a container to Energodar - from there it will fly to the bridges in Zaporozhye).

        Then you can simply take a heavy twin-engine drone, a glider, a target aircraft, fill it with explosives, add a guidance system to it and put it on the bridge / gateway on the Dnieper.

        But no one develops it, does it, pbecause there is no command. And most likely there is a reverse command: "Do not touch the bridges on the Dnieper and the railways of Ukraine!" Otherwise, how can the President of the United States, the President of France, the Prime Minister of Britain and other "our partners" be able to travel to Kyiv and take pictures with Zelensky there?
    6. +9
      February 22 2023
      Quote: kaufman
      It turns out that there is a problem of supply and the rhythm of supplies ...

      It turns out that the problem of supplying parts can be considered as sabotage and sabotage; proposals to lift the moratorium on the death penalty should NOW be legalized ...
      * * *
      But still beloved by the people, Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov used to say: "Any quartermaster after five years of service can be hanged without any trial."
      1. +2
        February 22 2023
        Wow, how harsh you are, you should execute everything while sitting on the couch. Do you have milk and bread at the grocery store every day? Also probably saboteurs crap.
        1. +2
          February 22 2023
          Bread is not bread, but prices are creeping up, what kind of food, what kind of communal apartment, they are slowly tightening the screws. However, it is extremely unlikely that the absolute majority of the population will not have enough food, but not everyone can afford normal medical care.
    7. +1
      February 22 2023
      Is this the Khodokovsky who went on the attack while remaining in place?
    8. -1
      February 22 2023
      well, yes, the Ukrainians are preparing an offensive, and here, miraculously, the PMCs have ammunition for him
    9. -5
      February 22 2023
      Oddly enough, among Western countries, the United States is not in the first place in terms of production. And not even Germany. The Slovak holding ZVS is now producing about 20 thousand shells per month, by the end of this year they will try to reach the level of 100 thousand shells.

      Great America, Leader, hegemon and dominant all rolled into one today produces 14 shells per month. The Pentagon has invested (as it is now called) $2 billion in order to bring production up to 20 shells per month by the end of this year, and plans already in 2024 can hope for a level of 90 shells per month.

      According to Western intelligence estimates, until the beginning of 2022, the production of 152-caliber shells in Russia was 1,7 million pieces per year (slightly more than 141 thousand pieces per month). In 2022, Russia almost doubled the output, to 3,3 million units per year (275 thousand per month), and already in January, Sergei Shoigu announced that by the end of 2023, the output would rise by another 5 times, to 416 million units per year. (417-XNUMX thousand per month).
  2. DOC
    +21
    February 22 2023
    Whatever happens, you just need to provide everything necessary at least for assault squads in time. This is not a question for Prigogine, but for high offices.
    1. +16
      February 22 2023
      In the high offices of the ARMY, thanks to the 90s, now there are merchants and children of merchants with their own mentality. Not OFFICERS - having reason to say - I SERVE the Fatherland.
      1. +16
        February 22 2023
        These are not merchants, these are merchants. And not even traders, but gesheftmachers.
      2. +14
        February 22 2023
        now merchants

        The right merchant also has a concept of honor, and no less than, say, a nobleman. And these are ordinary hucksters, they care about the merchant - like Alpha Centauri.
    2. +4
      February 22 2023
      They simply began to give ammunition like everyone else

      Roughly speaking, the situation is as follows: in the hospital, surgeons and plumbers began to give out alcohol according to the limit - that is, equally ((
    3. +2
      February 22 2023
      Wagner is being actively stormed, respectively, they consume many times more ammunition, what are the standards? If, like Khodokovsky, you can go on the attack while remaining in place and completely without ammunition.
      1. +1
        February 22 2023
        In a video about the shortage of shells, Wagner fighters publicly called the Chief of the General Staff insulting curses.
        Prigogine confirmed the authenticity of the video.
        This is not forgiven. And now the Wagners are paying for their rudeness with the lives of their fighters.
  3. +13
    February 22 2023
    Well, effective management at its finest. The army is a cross section of society. Chubais should be invited, and there will be order. And what? He has the public just for "successful" management.
    1. +4
      February 22 2023
      Quote: g_ae
      Chubais should be invited

      money is not enough for him ... a very expensive specialist, however.
      1. +4
        February 22 2023
        Quote: polar fox
        money is not enough for him ... a very expensive specialist, however.

        One and a half meters of rope and a bar of soap will be enough for him ...
        1. 0
          February 23 2023
          Quote: ROSS 42
          One and a half meters of rope and a bar of soap will be enough for him ...

          Here I ask you not to spoil the soap for this ... In memory of that. that under the Chubais-Gaidars, soap was in short supply. Well, there was no sugar.
          And there was a joke:
          The host asks the guests:
          - Did you wash your hands with soap?
          - Yes...
          - Then you will drink tea without sugar!
    2. +1
      February 22 2023
      Well, effective management at its finest. The army is a cross section of society. Chubais should be invited, and there will be order. And what? He has the public just for "successful" management.

      What are we talking about, when in the news Chemezov, Manturov, Soloviev, etc. cheerfully report a multiple increase in output, comparing it even with the release of the Second World War (in an excellent way), I would like to ask - by how much% do you cover the needs of the army when the deficit stops? If you can't cope, build factories, buy wherever you can.
  4. +18
    February 22 2023
    Wow. What is it like fighting on the limit? Yes, during the war there should be no limits at all. Doesn't fit in the head. This is some kind of crap. In the Moscow Region, in general, are the brainless sitting. They don't have Stalin.
    1. +9
      February 22 2023
      there have always been limits.
    2. +9
      February 22 2023
      Stalin is not? Ha, the daily consumption rates of BC were in the Red Army. This greatly simplifies the logistics. Imagine that you need to fill 2 barrels dug into the ground. One for 200 liters, the second for 800. You need to fill them evenly from the hose and keep the level. Either you will pour 5 minutes there and 5 minutes here according to the instructions, or while you are trying to fill the 800 liter barrel, the smaller one will be empty.
    3. +4
      February 22 2023
      Stalin is not on them

      Do you want to say that Stalin provided the front with the necessary number of shells? Read, for example, how the Volkhov Front (including the 2nd shock army) tried to unblock Leningrad in 1941-42, having only 1/4 of the required number of shells and how many corpses were left on the ice and on the banks of the Volkhov .. God forbid now even "musicians ", even though the army team go on the offensive like that!
      1. +6
        February 22 2023
        Do you want to say that Stalin provided the front with the necessary number of shells? Read, for example, how the Volkhov Front (including the 2nd shock army) tried to unblock Leningrad in 1941-42, having only 1/4 of the required number of shells and how many corpses were left on the ice and on the banks of the Volkhov .. God forbid now even "musicians ", even though the army team go on the offensive like that!


        The lack of shells in the first half of 42 prevented the defeat of the Army Group Center near Moscow, when the warehouses were empty, and the evacuated factories had not yet established the production of shells. Even infantry attacks were carried out at night without artillery preparation. But now is not the situation that strains.
      2. +3
        February 22 2023
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        Do you want to say that Stalin provided the front with the necessary number of shells?

        Do you want to say that the IVS in 1941-1942 said that the Red Army had only 91%?
        It's not in the stands (verandas) to stare through binoculars ... There is a war here !!! And urgent problems need to be solved promptly, even with the help of Zheleznyak and Mauser ...
        1. +2
          February 22 2023
          Do you want to say that the IVS in 1941-1942 said that the Red Army had only 91%?

          The IVS said that "we will beat the enemy on foreign territory and with little bloodshed." And that we have the best aviation and tanks in the world .... and "not an inch, not an inch ..." - they said a lot of things, and then in June 1941 they were shocked! So there is no need to make a saint out of IVS. All of the above cannot be considered an excuse for the current leadership of the Armed Forces. I have not the slightest desire to pray for lampas. Suvorovs and Kutuzovs have always been lacking in Russia, and most often our country had to pay for victories with great blood - to my immense regret.
          1. -2
            February 22 2023
            What are you saying to the sectarians of Stalin), they are here every second
            It's amazing that there are no downsides. Usually for the fact that he “raised his hand” (told the truth) about the holy leader, here these adepts (or patients of the ward in other words) will immediately bury anyone you want with a couple of dozen toy minuses fellow
      3. +7
        February 22 2023
        Like it or not, it’s better to pay with overexpenditure of ammunition than with the lives of your soldiers
      4. 0
        February 22 2023
        Well it is more like Yes. I read that planes were left to the enemy at our airfield in 1941. They didn't find anything to bring fuel. Stalin was in Moscow, and the mess, as now, is all over the country.
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    5. +1
      February 22 2023
      Quote: leonidych
      In the Moscow Region, in general, are the brainless sitting. Stalin is not on them

      fool
      RџSЂRё Stalin during the Second World War, a limit was set on shells. And God forbid, the commander of the gun shoots an extra
      And it must be absolutely
      Quote: leonidych
      brainless
      so as not to understand that during the war the limit is just extremely important - as a warning of excessive wear of the barrels and a warning of the possibility of suddenly being left without artillery
      Today it’s not like in WWI - “hurricane fire”, “fire until the barrel turns red”
      1. +3
        February 22 2023
        warning of the possibility of suddenly being left without artillery

        But what about the possibility of being left without combat-ready units?
        Under Stalin, during the Second World War, a limit was set on shells

        during the assault on the Seelow Heights, the shells were considered not even wagons - trains
        1. -1
          February 22 2023
          Quote from ivan1979nkl
          during the assault on the Seelow Heights, the shells were considered not even wagons - trains

          And now divide by the number of guns and you will suddenly have a figure comparable to the BC per gun.
          I don’t remember who I read in my memoirs - that during the course of the Kursk salient, the density of guns was 1 gun per 12 meters of front
          Quote from ivan1979nkl
          what about the possibility of being left without combat-ready units?

          All claims to Stalin, who could have been court-martialed even at the end of the war for overspending the limit
          1. +1
            February 22 2023
            As one soldier said, just about the Kursk Bulge, when our offensive began, the first line of trenches was taken almost without loss. Those Germans who remained alive offered practically no resistance - they were heavily shell-shocked. This is what artillery preparation should have been! And if there were limits, they were clearly exceeded at times.
            By the way, in many memoirs it is mentioned that several ammunition was issued before the offensive. So the limit is different.
            1. -1
              February 22 2023
              Quote: U. Cheny
              This is what artillery preparation should have been! And if there were limits, they were clearly exceeded at times.

              Yes, they did not exceed them !!!!! Stupidly increased the number of trunks
              Quote: your1970
              I don’t remember who I read in my memoirs - that during the course of the Kursk salient, the density of guns was 1 gun at 12 meters front

              And yes
              Quote: U. Cheny
              So the limit is different.
              Do you know what a limit is?
              For example, an opponent does not understand what a limit is - although he describes it in detail
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Under Stalin need not was to set a limit. The gun commander knew where, How many(!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and at what intervals.
              and beyond that"how"It was forbidden to spend shells until the tribunal
              Quote: U. Cheny
              many memoirs mention that several rounds of ammunition were issued before the offensive.
              Right!!! Because the offensive was calculated on specific period (significantly more than one day) - and in order to exclude the absence of shells and problems with delivery, a reserve was made
      2. 0
        February 25 2023
        Is it like a lump of guns, "shoot extra"? When firing from the PDO, he only shoots on command, why does he need extra ones? And if by direct fire, who will interfere with him, there only survived!
    6. +8
      February 22 2023
      And how to calculate the need for ammunition without limits? How to bring them, to whom how much? Here is the norm. And it varies both from the needs of the front section, and from the tasks set. Here, too, everything is not so simple. Give an unlimited number and some will not know what to do with, while others shoot into the sky. For you will not spend next time less will be allocated. And judging by the funnels in the open field, this is exactly what happens. From the frames and photographs, the flaw is imperceptible. But the overrun is obvious. A complete feeling that the shells are simply fired more often at idle. To not be cut
      1. -3
        February 22 2023
        Quote: igorbrsv
        Here, too, everything is not so simple.

        And who argues? With a fool and a shaft, you can break and put a felt boot on ...
        stop And what to say to the Nazis when they go on the attack, or to the rebates who need to go to clean up? Excuse me, wait a minute:

        Quote: your1970
        Under Stalin, during the Second World War, a limit was set on shells. And God forbid, the gun commander shoots an extra shot

        Where is the information from? Under Stalin, there was no need to set a limit. The gun commander knew where, how much and at what intervals. They saw, I suppose, how the crews rolled the gun (“The Living and the Dead”) ...
        Today there are cases of firing into the white light, like a pretty penny ...
        1. +1
          February 22 2023
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Under Stalin, there was no need to set a limit. The gun commander knew where, how much and at what intervals. They saw, I suppose, how the crews rolled the gun (“The Living and the Dead”) ...

          And try not to bring a sight and a lock, you will quickly thunder under the tribunal. Since no one has canceled the Criminal Code, and there in wartime up to the maximum VMSZ
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Under Stalin, there was no need to set a limit. The gun commander knew where, how much and at what intervals. Seen, I guess
          and you saw "Battalions ask for fire" - when there were shells on the other side - but you can't ...
          Quote: ROSS 42
          where to, How many(!!!!!!!) and at what intervals
          - this is the limit for spending shells on a gun launched from the very top then
        2. +1
          February 22 2023
          You should at least read something on the topic. About where the gunpowder factories were located in the USSR, about the lack of shells in 1942, about what was supplied under lend-lease.
          1. +1
            February 22 2023
            Why should he/them answer? Where is it easier to just bawl about the fact that the "saints" Stalin and Beria (Lelik and Bolik) IN PRINCIPLE could not engage in manipulations, intrigues and also fraudulent people))
            Moreover, this (comments) is done constantly from post to post, from branch to branch by specially trained accounts .... well, a pure sect))
            It’s good at least sometimes people who love a real story can’t stand reading their nonsense and backhand them in the face with facts !!!))
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        4. 0
          February 25 2023
          Lump guns nothing does not know and cannot know. As commanded, shoot. That is his duty.
      2. 0
        February 23 2023
        About funnels in an open field and overexpenditure of shells / missiles / bombs, this is true.

        The best illustration of this is this video from Rybar and Colonel Kassad: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7989574.html

        You can simply count the huge number of craters in an open field (there are no corpses nearby, no trenches / trenches, no broken equipment), but these can also be craters from ukrov shells. There are also incomprehensible attacks: like from the MLRS at around 11:31 - they immediately covered everything and nothing for sure?

        But if you look at the strike of our aircraft at around 12:00 (After the failure of the assault, the Armed Forces of Ukraine retreat into a forest plantation. A Su-34 bomber appears in the air, which strikes with ODAB-500 volume-detonating bombs.), then we will see that half of the bombs ( 2 out of 4) did not fall into a forest plantation, but into an open field!
    7. +1
      February 22 2023
      It was under Stalin that there were the greatest problems, and not only in the army
    8. +4
      February 22 2023
      Quote: leonidych
      Wow. What is it like fighting on the limit? Yes, during the war there should be no limits at all. Doesn't fit in the head. This is some kind of crap. In the Moscow Region, in general, are the brainless sitting. They don't have Stalin.

      But what about Stalin? When Stalin was there, then mattress and NATO geostationary satellites did not hang over the front 24/7 and no one transmitted intelligence to Hitler online. The creation of large field depots of rocket and artillery b / n near the LBS is fraught with the fact that the same chimeras will calmly reach them on a tip from the same mattresses and NATO, and therefore all the work in a few weeks to create reserves for the quick delivery of b / c on the front line can be reset in a few minutes. So they get out as best they can, so that it is neither close nor far, but at the same time accessible, safe and enough for everyone. If Wagner explodes ten kilometers at once, then it will become more difficult to pull up reserves. The enemy, too, was not made with a finger, and for any reason will not miss the opportunity to reset the warehouses located in the reach of the available weapons, so that the enemy would have nothing to fight with. Wanting and providing are different concepts.
  5. -16
    February 22 2023
    I don't think it's that hard to make shells in production. A million shells a day of different calibers is quite realistic to do.
    1. +2
      February 22 2023
      Easily. During the year, you can create a production line. Issue price - up to a third of the annual income of the Russian Federation laughing With a cut - half.
    2. +4
      February 22 2023
      Open a factory, sign a contract, do it, since it's so easy.
      1. 0
        February 22 2023
        Quote: Plate
        Open a factory, sign a contract, do it, since it's so easy.

        As soon as I saw the word "contract", I immediately understood - "no factory, no shells."
        1. 0
          February 22 2023
          How do you plan without a contract? To clearly define volumes, price, terms and so on is quite a healthy action, isn't it? Or what are you trying to say?
    3. +1
      February 22 2023
      You can't even make a million rounds of ammunition a day. Even on the conveyor line. at least one plant. And God forbid, two million shells a year. Maybe six
    4. +4
      February 22 2023
      Quote: Lis_96
      I do not think,

      but in vain ... you always have to think. after the enchanting achievements of the "eternal", production and production workers, there is no word left at all. what, who and where and on what will they produce? "Beloved electorate" from Central Asia?
  6. +2
    February 22 2023
    Comrade Khodakovsky, it's time to turn off the Internet. By the way, Khodakovsky veiledly responded to Strelkov's accusation "Khodakovsky had never fought before, he was at his base, and now he is not fighting" with general phrases like "I am the head of the unit." Those. Apparently, he does not command anything and no one now by and large - he provides patronage assistance, helps with supplies, equipment and drones.
    1. +8
      February 22 2023
      it's time to turn off the internet

      Khodakovsky's character is ambiguous, reminiscent of one of my acquaintances, nicknamed Plafond. Why Plafon? Because muddy
    2. -1
      February 22 2023
      provides patronage assistance, helps with supplies, equipment and drones.
      Those. quite aware of the topic of supplying BP.
      So, everything he said is closer to the truth than the lamentations of the cook.
    3. -1
      February 22 2023
      For all that, and I agree about screwing on the tap, he gave the answer to everyone. It’s just that not everyone understands him (like me 8): Prigozhin is hinted that he needs to hold back the offensive a little, that he should share achievements, and not pull the whole blanket over himself. But whether and to whom and what he (the commander-in-chief) will answer - we will find out from the real layouts next week. It's one thing to have a paizu to hire non-traditional office workers, and another thing to play solo with the whole orchestra in front of the mausoleum - there's a five-kilometer line to parade past.
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  8. +6
    February 22 2023
    Then the General Staff does not need a result at all, or the result of "musicians" is not needed. What is this stupidity, betrayal or selfishness is not clear.
  9. +8
    February 22 2023
    Let Khodakovsky surround Ugledar, and then blather. How many wasted shells they used up in Mariupol, we will be silent.
  10. +10
    February 22 2023
    In simple words, the RF Armed Forces maintained a daily limit on the consumption of ammunition based on production capacities and delivery capabilities. Apparently it's better than at some point to be left without ammunition at the forefront at all.
    1. +2
      February 22 2023
      Yes, I’m afraid that there’s more about the service life of the barrels of concern, sharpening and equipping the projectile is one thing, but changing the barrels is a little different (but no one spoke about warehouses with spare barrels)
  11. +15
    February 22 2023
    The article tells how socialism is better than capitalism.
    1. +2
      February 22 2023
      Quote: Gardamir
      The article tells how socialism is better than capitalism.

      Repeat
      Quote: your1970
      Quote: leonidych
      In the Moscow Region, in general, are the brainless sitting. Stalin is not on them

      fool
      RџSЂRё Stalin during the Second World War, a limit was set on shells. And God forbid, the commander of the gun shoots an extra
      And it must be absolutely
      Quote: leonidych
      brainless
      so as not to understand that during the war the limit is just extremely important - as a warning of excessive wear of the barrels and a warning of the possibility of suddenly being left without artillery
      Today it’s not like in WWI - “hurricane fire”, “fire until the barrel turns red”
      1. -4
        February 22 2023
        so as not to understand that during the war the limit is just extremely important - as a warning of excessive wear of the barrels and a warning of the possibility of suddenly being left without artillery
        Today it’s not like in WWI - “hurricane fire”, “fire until the barrel turns red”
        belay
        Not here the majority does not want to delve into such "subtleties" and will not.
        "What? The trunk" turned red "? Well, there is no time for color addictions, in the end you can repaint it in your favorite color"))
        Well, somewhere like that. smile
    2. +4
      February 22 2023
      Speaking of socialism. Since those blessed years, a huge warehouse of any kind of firing has remained in Transnistria. If there is such a shortage of shells, then maybe it’s time to capitalize this warehouse, why pull the cat for the batons. Until some braggarts got to that warehouse.
      1. +4
        February 22 2023
        Quote: Pilot
        Since those blessed years, a huge warehouse of any kind of firing has remained in Transnistria. If there is such a shortage of shells, then maybe it’s time to capitalize this warehouse, why pull the cat for the battles.

        Well, how to take out ammunition from a warehouse in Transnistria? through Moldova and Romania, maybe through Ukraine? you can’t even take it out by plane - the sky is closed.
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  12. +11
    February 22 2023
    In a word - a MESS .... just a question - where? It's in my head for sure...
    - Some say - there is no shortage of BP,
    - Khodakovsky says - everything is according to the norms, but the Wagners were given more (which is a shame) ...
    Conclusion: there is enough power supply, but enough according to those standards when the troops sit on the defensive and sluggishly exchange fire and conduct counter-battery combat ...
    ps Then it becomes clear why the "waves" are so rare...
  13. +6
    February 22 2023
    Khodakovsky slightly softened the situation with shells, but at least for the public infa, although everyone has long known why we are fighting like this, there is no exact fire effect on the enemy, miracles do not happen. MO, too, well done with shells, are there any complaints about buttons? No, but what is not enough is different. Everyone is afraid to report to the top because they have to admit that they didn’t calculate before. They overlooked, in short, they clicked through and the industry, who will say that we cannot do it, but under Stalin it was different, but people were different then, now those methods will not work.
  14. +10
    February 22 2023
    the general norms for the consumption of ammunition, on which the Wagner was put, do not allow for a normal offensive, this also applies to units of the Russian army.

    and right there:
    Meanwhile, there is no shortage of ammunition at the front, various sources have repeatedly reported this. The Russian military-industrial complex has managed to increase the number of shells of all calibers produced by several times, even exceeding the required volumes.

    This is from the area: - "I hate bipolar disorder, it's awesome!"
    But in fact this is called "shell hunger", simply and clearly - a lack of ammo! They weren’t ready, but they corrected it on the go - there was a problem with resources, production was destroyed along the way, now they have to frantically restore it.
    1. 0
      February 22 2023
      Quote: Oldi
      But in fact this is called "shell hunger", simply and clearly - a lack of ammo!

      In fact, it is strictly opposite - saving gun barrels from excessive wear
      Throughout the Second World War there were limits on shells
      1. +1
        February 22 2023
        "In fact, this is strictly the opposite - saving gun barrels from excessive wear"
        when from the very beginning the fields in Ukraine were sown in a square-nested way, no one cared about the resource of the trunks. and as the shells ran out, they immediately remembered about the trunks. if you shoot into the white light, like a pretty penny, approximately, in that direction, there won’t be enough shells or barrels
    2. +1
      February 22 2023
      Quote: Oldi
      production collapsed along the way, now it is necessary to frantically restore

      Is there anything that hasn't been destroyed? It seems that the effective hand of loyal managers has got everywhere.
  15. +6
    February 22 2023
    All this is sad - hence the result - or rather its absence for half a year - what kind of supply, such promotion at the front ...
  16. +5
    February 22 2023
    And why these comments of the blogger provocateur Khodakovsky? He has long been a media warrior.
    1. 0
      February 22 2023
      And why these comments of the blogger provocateur Khodakovsky?
      And why did he become a provocateur?
  17. +5
    February 22 2023
    During hostilities, these problems should be promptly resolved on the ground and not go to the level of the media field. Imagine that during the Second World War, an article about a similar problem appeared in the Pravda newspaper.
    1. +4
      February 22 2023
      Absolutely agree. Only then it was "everything for the front, everything for victory", but now you'll understand what the hell.
    2. +1
      February 22 2023
      Imagine that during the Second World War, an article about a similar problem appeared in the Pravda newspaper.
      It is not difficult to imagine - the alarmist would have received a "Wagner sledgehammer" on the head.
  18. +5
    February 22 2023
    Wagnerowcy to prywatna armia złożona z najemników i skazanych więźniów.
    To bardzo popularna i lubiana w Rosji jednostka wojskowa.
    Czytając prasę rosyjską, ma się wrażenie, że za zwycięstwem Rosjan prawie zawsze stoją wagnerowcy.

    Oczywistym jest, że wcześniej czy później, ktoś będzie chciał tą popularność przerobić na polityczne poparcie.
    Moim zdaniem właśnie to się dzieje.
    Przekaz medialny jest taki:

    "synowie ojczyzny chcą walczyć, ale nie mogą. Źli kremlowscy urzędnicy nie pozwalają wagnerowcom walczyć"


    tak...wagnerowcy to siła polityczna z którą Putin będzie musiał coś zrobić. Niezależnie od tego czy wojna będzie wygrana, czy przegrana. Jest też taka możliwość, że wagnerocy zrobią coś z Putinem.
    1. +1
      February 22 2023
      That's because the language of the Poles: not a fig is incomprehensible. Minusanul just in case.
      1. 0
        February 22 2023
        And there are different cases. Laughed. Upvoted you. Just in case.lol
      2. +1
        February 22 2023
        Bearded man (bearded man)
        That's because the language of the Poles: not a damn thing
        And you select the text and right-click and immediately everything will become clear.
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    3. -1
      February 22 2023
      Jest też taka możliwość, że wagnerocy zrobią coś z Putinem. - Nic mu nie zrobia. Nie myśl, że Rosja To Afryka lub Ameryka Łacińska.
  19. +6
    February 22 2023
    But nothing that they announced the offensive just on these dates in February ??? If BC is only enough for defense, then what kind of offensive are we talking about? At least Wagner used to attack, but now ...
    Or they decided to save up before the offensive, then it is clear that everything was cut, but only if this very offensive will take place. So BC is obviously not enough.
    1. +2
      February 22 2023
      There should be no squabble "on the air". In official correspondence - please, but not on the Internet! The principle of unity of command at the head of everything, especially at the front! It remains only to charge a talk show in the style of TNT on TV. Some crap. Ammunition consumption rates were, are and will be. Otherwise, how to plan military operations? How to work on the rear? Who, to whom, where and how much should be delivered? And there is no need for "crooked" speculation about "barrel wear". At the head of everything is the decision of the commander: which enemy, by what date and by what means to destroy (suppress). Hence the norms for the consumption of ammunition, applications for delivery, etc., etc. This is the work of the commander, chief and headquarters of different levels. Supply is one of the issues, the repair and restoration of weapons and military equipment is completely different. Can not be "all sisters on earrings." One is on the defensive, the other is in the direction of the main attack, the third is generally in the second echelon. And the main thing is the interaction of everyone to complete a combat mission, and not a cheap squabble on the Internet and on a mattress site in the name of PR. IMHO.
  20. +8
    February 22 2023
    and on which front did Khodakovsky mark himself? on the telegram one?
    1. +1
      February 22 2023
      Quote: polar fox
      and on which front did Khodakovsky mark himself? on the telegram one?

      on the Kolchak fronts ...
  21. +6
    February 22 2023
    In war, there will always be a shortage of everything except body bags. The plants of the USSR fired 200 bullets per fascist of the Second World War. How many shells had to be fired per Ukrainian will become clear only at the end of the Special Operation. Even the universe is not infinite!
  22. +6
    February 22 2023
    And how is it for everyone? Someone sits and scratches his belly, not moving a meter forward, and someone takes the city by storm and moves forward every day. And they need to supply ammunition in the same way? And I believe that first of all, ammunition should be supplied to those who are moving forward!
    1. +3
      February 22 2023
      Yes, it is necessary to cut the limit for the blind gunner Milonov. Allocate him blank shells for filming victorious videos.
  23. +4
    February 22 2023
    In general, there is not enough firepower, ammunition, large-caliber artillery and mortars, gun crews, and personnel. Attention is drawn to the display of volleys of guns and MLRS in the media, I would like to ask for more fire at least on camera. They show Maryinka, which has been ironed for a year, there are still many ruins and there should be a flat field. FABs should polish Ugledar, and ours triumphantly show the launch of LMUR !!! through a brick factory chimney that can withstand a nuclear bomb. There is ammunition, but no firepower.
  24. +4
    February 22 2023
    Meanwhile, there is no shortage of ammunition at the front, various sources have repeatedly reported this.

    We all say that, so it's true! they shouted.
  25. -6
    February 22 2023
    “Ammunition just began to be given like everyone else”

    That is, nothing to everyone.
  26. +4
    February 22 2023
    I wanted to smooth over the situation with one complaint, but it turns out that a second and larger complaint appeared: it turns out that there is not enough ammunition for everyone
  27. +2
    February 22 2023
    Quote: kaufman
    It turns out that there is a problem of supply and the rhythm of supplies ...

    The rate of consumption of shells is always there. Otherwise, the logistics cannot be established. Wagner began to "speak", such norms are not enough for him! And to give him as much as he asks - the neighbors will remain on a starvation ration. And they did not ask for "above the norm" - not the same exhaust. And they sang about a complete blockage ...
    1. 0
      February 22 2023
      There is always a rate of consumption of shells
      It's true. The daily consumption of shells should not exceed the release of shells for the same day.
      Otherwise, you will have to throw stones.
  28. +1
    February 22 2023
    Or the skis don’t go .. or the asphalt is like that ...
    But it's really awkward
    Meanwhile, there is no shortage of ammunition at the front, various sources have repeatedly reported this. The Russian military-industrial complex has managed to increase the number of shells of all calibers produced by several times, even exceeding the required volumes.
    and right there
    According to Khodakovsky, the general norms for the consumption of ammunition on which the Wagner was planted do not allow for a normal offensive, this also applies to units of the Russian army.

    Who is lying???
  29. +2
    February 22 2023
    (c) "There can be only two states with ammunition:
    1) Few;
    2) Still not enough!"
    1. +1
      February 22 2023
      three - "not enough, but no more to carry away"
  30. 0
    February 22 2023
    You have to save up and not shoot, but there is no shell hunger. Again lies. As in all other areas.
  31. +3
    February 22 2023
    There is no shortage, but there are not enough shells.
    It is logical, however.
  32. +4
    February 22 2023
    Ammunition can be and is in warehouses. But there is a problem with the delivery, they must not only be brought up, but also so that they would not be "goalted" along the way. The main problem is in the staff structure of military units. For 10 years, the Russian Army has received a regular structure of "constant combat readiness" units, which allows: 1. to train two such crews (main and reserve) for "tank biathlons", 2. to send single samples of new equipment to parades. On paper, everything seems to be fine, if "count the number of tanks." But fighting with such a regular structure is already a problem. As shown by the fighting in the Kyiv, Chernihiv, Sumy, Kharkov .... regions. We need not only tanks and their number, but also units to ensure combat operations: rear and technical, communications, electronic warfare, intelligence, engineering ...... But it is precisely in the structure of the military units of our Army that there are not enough units to ensure combat operations . Our generals have only now begun to understand (I really want to believe it) that the same motorized rifle company should have its own full-time drones, as consumables and not in single copies.
  33. +1
    February 22 2023
    Well, if that's how everyone is given...
    The Ministry of Defense reported, for example, that in three days the Wagners were given 990 tank shells. But this is about 7 rounds of ammunition per day. Like "and don't deny yourself anything."
    1. -2
      February 22 2023
      "But this is about 7 rounds of ammunition per day. Like "and don't deny yourself anything."
      and where can they be spent if hostilities are not ongoing? 7bk per day is a lot of shit
      1. 0
        February 22 2023
        Are they not carried out in Artemovsky?


        Your comment text is too short
  34. -1
    February 22 2023
    “Ammunition just began to be given like everyone else”: Khodakovsky commented on the situation with ammunition for the Wagner PMC
    It began: "-Atela missed! - We'll go north!"
  35. -1
    February 22 2023
    When planning a war with NATO and the USSR, it was not in vain that tactical nuclear weapons were invented ... for a reason. People considered the norms for the consumption of ammunition when attacking the defending armies of the NATO and USSR standards.
    On the same Ugledar - 2-3 pieces of 152mm TYAZ and went further ...... But if it were Warsaw (to hell with it).
  36. +3
    February 22 2023
    Quote: acetophenon
    Meanwhile, there is no shortage of ammunition at the front, various sources have repeatedly reported this.

    We all say that, so it's true! they shouted.

    - Everything is very exaggerated. There is no danger. At most one pine tree is on fire. But we control it,” Shapakin said. – With the help of the latest developments, we went to the Google Maps website, already found this pine tree and almost extinguished it.
  37. +2
    February 22 2023
    To perform a combat mission (and any task) there is a comprehensive support for the implementation (personnel, weapons, food, medicine, etc., etc.). No assurance, no fulfillment...
  38. 0
    February 22 2023
    There are no ideal conditions in the conduct of hostilities. There is always a hunger in something, but this is not a reason to throw a tantrum. A common cause and a common misfortune, successes are also joint!
  39. 0
    February 22 2023
    If "even having exceeded the necessary volumes", then, it turns out, artificially someone creates a deficit?
  40. 0
    February 22 2023
    Until all the veterans of the Great Patriotic War died, find out from them how they supplied the troops with ammunition. Most likely, order was stimulated by penal companies for the command staff, where officers were brainwashed very quickly. 1-2 attacks without artillery preparation and everything is clear. This was at a time when they did not take villages for months, but advanced on fronts, sweeping away enemy divisions in a day and taking cities on a bayonet in a few days. Zhukov and Beria should be resuscitated in the morning, and by evening the entire General Staff in hemlines will carry shells on the front and rejoice ....
    1. +2
      February 22 2023
      This was at a time when they did not take villages for months, but advanced on the fronts, sweeping away enemy divisions in a day and taking cities on a bayonet in a few days.
      The liberation of Poland took about six months.

      Zhukov and Beria to revive in the morning
      During the liberation of Poland, about 600 Red Army soldiers died.
  41. +1
    February 22 2023
    The consumption of shells for the destruction of one soldier in WW1:

    https://topwar.ru/157088-ognennyj-rashod-dolzhna-li-byt-artillerija-jekonomnoj.html
    in August 1914, each French artillery shot, on average, disabled one German; in the first months of the war, on average, one ton of ammunition disabled 4-5 Germans killed (which was already far from the situation in the very first month of the war); and in the second half of 1918, for each killed German, the French already spent from 4 - 5 tons of ammunition
    1. +1
      February 23 2023
      Continuing the theme: World War II, the results of the Soviet ammunition industry:

      During the war years, the Soviet ammunition industry supplied the front with 333,3 million shells for field and naval artillery, 242,8 million mines, about 14,5 million Katyusha rockets, more than 200 million aviation cartridges, about 200 million hand and anti-tank grenades. , 40,4 million aerial bombs, more than 66,7 million engineering mines, including about 26 million anti-tank mines, 40 thousand naval mines and torpedo combat charging compartments, 161,3 thousand depth charges, 21,4 billion sets of elements for rifle cartridges, hundreds of millions of various pyrotechnic ammunition, millions [319] tons of explosives and vices, incendiary and pyrotechnic compositions.

      http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/novikov_vn/index.html
      Novikov V.N.
      On the eve and in the days of trials.
      / Literary record of Zh. V. Taratuta. — M.: Politizdat, 1988. — 398 p.: ill. - (Memories). Circulation 200 copies. isbn 000-5-250-00232

      If we assume that 13 million German soldiers were killed on our fronts, then it turns out that for each soldier killed, they spent approximately:

      25 shells (including ship shells), more than 3 air bombs, about 1 rocket, 20 mortars, more than 10 grenades and more than 1600 rounds of ammunition!
      Plus another 15 air rounds / shells from the sky.

      I did not count any engineering mines and depth charges. The already huge cost of destroying one soldier.
      1. 0
        February 23 2023
        13 million German soldiers were killed on our fronts


        Almost everyone counted correctly, but the German soldiers on the eastern front were killed 2 times less, only 5965900. So they spent 2 times more on one!

        Source:
        https://gks.ru/storage/mediabank/VOV_75_fin.pdf
        THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR
        JUBILEE STATISTICAL BOOK 2020
  42. -3
    February 22 2023
    According to the commander of the Vostok, the problem is not at all that the Wagnerites have ceased to be supplied with ammunition, but that they have been put on general norms, having begun to be supplied, like other units of the Russian army. They began to give to everyone. Previously, PMCs received more ammunition; aviation, operational-tactical and cruise missiles, etc. were specially allocated for it. And the "musicians" gave results, moving forward. Now everything has been cut.

    Frankly, we envied the "Wagners" in a good way, when they had their own front-line aviation, the daily norm of two Iskanders and one Caliber (...) when they dragged prisoners from all over the country to them ... We envied, but understood that they did not give anyone such a supply - and he will give the same result as they. The result is not only the quantity


    Khodakovsky said everything to the point and objectively.
  43. +2
    February 22 2023
    “Ammunition just began to be given like everyone else”

    With this approach, we will fight for more than one year, if we don’t shake up the general’s bedbug in the rear ...
    1. +1
      February 22 2023
      Quote: isv000
      “Ammunition just began to be given like everyone else”

      With this approach, we will fight for more than one year, if we don’t shake up the general’s bedbug in the rear ...

      We usually have two questions;
      In the elections; "And for whom else?"
      After the election; "Why are the bosses so bad?"

      It seems that 32 years have already passed, but the cycle is repeating itself and its end will probably come no sooner than the "first of Russia's two troubles" ends .... It's only scary if Russia ends even earlier.
  44. +2
    February 22 2023
    And it seems that the shells from the stocks of the USSR are running out. That's the whole point. The last trump card is missing.
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  46. +1
    February 22 2023
    The problem of supply, of course, must be solved, otherwise it may end badly ....
  47. 0
    February 22 2023
    I read the comments and understand that everyone who writes does not have relatives who are in the NWO. I have a son there, a question for the MO, will he also die because of the norms?
  48. +1
    February 22 2023
    The RF Ministry of Defense should know that the attacking side should be 3 times larger than the defenders, therefore it should also have more ammunition than non-advancing troops - every lieutenant knows this, not just the high command. PMC Wagner is ACTIVELY advancing and should take cauldron Artemovsk, to force the troops of Ukraine with mercenaries to SURRENDER as near Mariopol. How to do this without the required amount of ammunition, in particular shells ??? When I.V. Stalin asked G.K. Zhukov about who would take Berlin. Then wagons of shells were fired at Berlin, so fewer of our soldiers died. And if Artemovsk is not taken?! What then? The Armed Forces of Ukraine will recover and it will be much harder for our troops, this was shown by the Kharkov direction and more soldiers will fall. Who will be guilty of this mediocrity?
  49. -1
    February 22 2023
    Prigozhin will somehow get bored - and will turn to the DPRK directly, there will be enough shells for the Russian Defense Ministry.
  50. 0
    February 22 2023
    It turns out that bk is not in the country, but how to fight and what else is not there?
  51. 0
    February 22 2023
    [quoteMeanwhile, there is no shortage of ammunition at the front, various sources have repeatedly reported this. The Russian military-industrial complex has managed to increase the number of projectiles of all calibers produced several times, even exceeding the required volumes.][/quote]

    Well, if there is no shortage, then what’s the matter! I'm tired of the ritualistic statements of propagandist journalists.
  52. +1
    February 23 2023
    I read the excuses of a Ministry of Defense official that they would fulfill all requests for February by the first of March. And he gave the figures for what was delivered in February. For example, artillery shells - 10. That's 000 pieces per day! An entire group leading an assault on an urban agglomeration.
    How many shells are there for one machine gun nest? Fifty? And per km of fortifications for artillery preparation - ten thousand?
    But not all shells are six-inch? Smaller calibers are useless. MLRS don’t work against shelters at all, so why count them today? If you don’t have at least fifty 152mm shells per barrel per day, you can’t attack! If, by the will of the Ministry of Defense, our army is supplied according to SUCH standards, then defeat is inevitable.
    .
    Another aspect: Each dead Wagnerian saves 3 mobilized ones by his death. Minimum. And then the bureaucrats from the Ministry of Defense started a showdown, the generals took up localism. As a result, the lack of shells among the Wagnerites will inevitably result in unnecessary losses of the mobilized. The loss of our people, our family and friends!
  53. -1
    February 23 2023
    Just don’t talk about Ugledar, yesterday some stupid commander there drove a soldier head-on to the heights, the attack floundered, the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a counterattack... as a result, they barely held their positions, Wagner would have bypassed these heights and wouldn’t have attacked them head-on
  54. 0
    February 23 2023
    “They just started giving ammunition like everyone else,” and everyone is fighting with the same intensity as “Wagner”?
  55. -2
    February 23 2023
    “They put me on the general rules” I found some Ukrainian blogger in the evening. He claims that the Moscow Region and the Kremlin are “dumping” Putin. He is an obstacle to the world
    His supports: Kadyrov and Prigozhin are being “pushed back.”
    I'm not sure that's true.
    As we know: “Idiots are rich in thoughts.” Perhaps what is desired is being passed off as reality.
    R S, a friend says: everyone there respects “musicians” who are armed to the teeth. And “Akhmatovites”, when they saw her, there were obscenities, but if they saw an “Akhmatovite”, they immediately swallowed obscenities
  56. 0
    February 23 2023
    Ammunition, especially medium and heavy, should be given not to everyone, but to those who are most needed and important! Otherwise they will deliver heavy shells to the infantry and grenades to the artillerymen!
  57. -1
    February 23 2023
    Wagner, tea military company))

    But sponsor us, State)) and pay your salary too.

    Maybe it will be decided then maybe you are not a PMC??
    If you are mercenaries, then ask for salary. And we provide for ourselves with salary.
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  59. 0
    February 24 2023
    Either there are problems with ammunition in general in the country or in the General Staff an agent of influence has wound up and is deliberately, on instructions, slowing down deliveries. They fight too well and produce an excellent harvest of dill, so they can win.

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