Military Review
Sign In Register

French authorities: We hope that the President of Russia will cancel his decision to suspend Russia's membership in the START treaty

104
French authorities: We hope that the President of Russia will cancel his decision to suspend Russia's membership in the START treaty

The West is commenting on today's address of the President of Russia to the Federal Assembly. At the same time, the largest number of comments from foreign politicians, political scientists, and the military concern Vladimir Putin's statement about the suspension of Russia's membership in the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty.


Recall that in his speech, the Russian president said that not only the United States, but also other nuclear powers of NATO - France and Great Britain - are directing strategic forces against Russia. And these countries, as you know, do not participate in the treaty.

In Paris, they said they were disappointed with Vladimir Putin's decision to suspend Russia's membership in the New START Treaty. The press service of the President of France released a statement saying the following:

We hope that the President of Russia will reverse his decision on the START treaty.

There were comments by the French president personally, where he calls Vladimir Putin's words about the stability of the Russian economy against the backdrop of Western sanctions "Russian propaganda." According to Macron, "he only believes that the Russian economy is suffering."

French journalists asked Macron what, in this case, his data on the dynamics of Russia's GDP, if Vladimir Putin announced the figures for a fall in 2022 at the level of 2,1%.

Macron did not find a concrete answer, stating:

It is they who say “minus 2%” there, and I say that it is much more. They make money on gas, but the rest of the economy suffers a lot. I don't trust their numbers.

Why you need to trust him, Macron did not say.

Putin's statement on START was also commented on in London. They said that "they did not refuse to discuss issues of strategic stability with Moscow." At the same time, the statement almost verbatim repeats the words expressed by the official representative of the White House (USA) about an hour before.
Military Reviewin Yandex News
Military Reviewin Yandex Zen
104 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Pulkovo1942
    Pulkovo1942 21 February 2023 21: 03
    -10
    We hope that the President of Russia will reverse his decision on the START treaty.

    "Russia intends to adhere to a responsible approach and will continue within the life cycle of the Treaty strictly comply with the quantitative restrictions on strategic offensive arms stipulated by it. In addition, the Russian side will continue to participate in the exchange of notifications on ICBM and SLBM launches with the American side.
    [Here should be a picture of a laughing Spaniard]
    1. Sanguinius
      Sanguinius 21 February 2023 21: 08
      -7
      Please)


      Actually, it's like some kind of circus. First, a formidable statement. And then immediately apologies and explanations that we really didn’t mean it!
      A shame!
      1. Pulkovo1942
        Pulkovo1942 21 February 2023 21: 12
        -21
        Actually, it's like some kind of circus.

        A farce for domestic consumers of advanced age. De jure they left under START, but de facto they stayed.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 21 February 2023 21: 17
          +28
          Any contract provides for its implementation by both parties, and also provides for effective control over the implementation by the other party.
          If the Americans are not going to allow themselves to be controlled, then the START treaty is meaningless.
          1. Egeny
            Egeny 22 February 2023 10: 34
            +2
            We hope that the President of Russia will reverse his decision

            Well, yes, of course, the START treaty was concluded between the United States and Russia ... and only that is why the Darkest One proposes to include "frogs" and Britons with their nuclear potential into it.
            There’s no other way, especially since the Yankees don’t let us in, but they try to sniff out everything from us.
        2. ivan1979nkl
          ivan1979nkl 21 February 2023 21: 22
          +22
          Under START de jure withdrew

          and de facto we can, without violating, increase our nuclear potential - saturate the triad with NUCLEAR hypersonic weapons. To say that Westerners are in shock is to say nothing (( Serve right ..
          1. avg
            avg 21 February 2023 21: 46
            +8
            The degradation of the VO community is visible to the naked eye, so I don’t want to write something serious. Simply, gentlemen of criticism, ask yourself at least one question - what to do with, within the framework of START control, those new types of weapons that are (will go) into production lately.
            1. topol717
              topol717 21 February 2023 22: 30
              +2
              We have a lot of warehouses, and as experience shows, there are never superfluous warehouses.
              But if within the framework of the START, then we disassemble the old and launch the new. But this is not the right approach, because at the moment we have very few strategic nuclear weapons, and we urgently need to increase the number, and then we can enter into a dialogue.
              1. KCA
                KCA 22 February 2023 03: 42
                -1
                Few? 1542 SNF carriers are officially deployed, the number of charges in storage is estimated at 6000, and this is not counting tactical nuclear weapons, so many targets cannot be scored around the world, unless all lonely ranches in the UWB are duplicated
                1. dmi.pris1
                  dmi.pris1 22 February 2023 06: 28
                  +3
                  You still do not take into account the fact that you still need to fly to this goal. My opinion is that there should be at least twice as many of these carriers
                  1. KCA
                    KCA 22 February 2023 08: 51
                    0
                    So % 99 will fly, that there is a US missile defense system, it will shoot down, if it shoots down, five warheads, or decoys and that’s it, and the US missile defense system does not protect Fashington or New York at all, but the Minuteman silo position area, it’s not clear why, according to them and you don’t need to shoot, or they won’t fly at all, or they won’t fly, there is a “Zircon”, which does not yet belong to strategic missiles, it may well throw 200kt per 1000km without any opposition from missile defense, “Poseidons” are also not a fairy tale, just like that no one became to build nuclear submarines for them, in general, we’ll have something to threaten with mattresses, if “Daggers” are hung on the TU-22M3M and TU-160M ​​and M2, also kirdyk to America, the “Dagger” also fits 200kt TYABCH
              2. Former soldier
                Former soldier 22 February 2023 05: 02
                +3
                We have a lot of warehouses, and as experience shows, there are never superfluous warehouses.
                But if within the framework of the START, then we disassemble the old and launch the new. But this is not the right approach, because at the moment we have very few strategic nuclear weapons, and we urgently need to increase the number, and then we can enter into a dialogue.

                Yes. In the light of current events, 1.5 thousand nuclear warheads and 700 carriers for them, stipulated by the START, will not be enough. For the number of potential "recipients" does not seem to have increased yet, but they have become painfully greyhounds. In addition, the capabilities of enemy missile defense systems have grown and this should be compensated by the strengthening of Russia's nuclear potential and through the use of maneuvering hypersonic units and simply an increase in the number of nuclear weapons and their carriers.
        3. RED_ICE
          RED_ICE 21 February 2023 22: 02
          +6
          Who told you that they left? Have you listened carefully to the president? I advise you to listen again to what he said about this.
        4. Jafar
          Jafar 21 February 2023 22: 47
          +4
          Under START, they left de jure, but de facto remained

          Suspension is not an option. The main claims were voiced and this is the reluctance to control the territory of the Russian Federation by specialists from the United States, which is de facto a party to the conflict, and the calculation method without taking into account all NATO countries. And the fact that we are now allegedly going to make new bonba no one promised, and there is no need.
          1. Mol_18
            Mol_18 21 February 2023 22: 55
            +2
            but only because it suited, in fact, the agreement implies that the United States also lets its experts into our territory, but they do not do this, as the president said. That is, there is essentially no sense in it, or it is necessary to put pressure on the United States.
        5. Plate
          Plate 22 February 2023 00: 10
          +10
          No one announced the release. Just announced a suspension. As I understand it, officially this is only the cessation of inspections. So you yourself came up with what you write, and then complain that no one gave you what you yourself promised yourself.
          1. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 22 February 2023 08: 55
            0
            No one announced the release. Just announced a suspension. As I understand it, officially this is only the cessation of inspections. So you yourself came up with what you write, and then complain that no one gave you what you yourself promised yourself.

            Suspension is an opportunity to put back the BB to the maximum ...
            Even without media deployment.
      2. Argon
        Argon 21 February 2023 21: 23
        -14
        Well, yes, give a slap in the face and say that it was not on purpose and it was like a joke ...
      3. The comment was deleted.
    2. opuonmed
      opuonmed 21 February 2023 21: 19
      +3
      when was it announced and where??????
      1. Pulkovo1942
        Pulkovo1942 21 February 2023 21: 24
        +2
        when was this announced?

        At 19:49 Moscow time. Open the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - read.
        https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1855184/
        1. opuonmed
          opuonmed 21 February 2023 21: 41
          0
          like we are suspending START and not START, or is it the same thing?
          1. KCA
            KCA 22 February 2023 08: 54
            +1
            Did you even think about what you wrote? START is the START Treaty, of course, they are one and the same
        2. Luenkov
          Luenkov 21 February 2023 22: 05
          0
          From the 8th ... however. site administration is not responsible
    3. hrych
      hrych 21 February 2023 21: 20
      +8
      The whole problem is with new types of weapons. Namely, with Poseidon and a little later Petrel. The West wanted to include these samples in the START. But another problem has arisen, our tactical nuclear weapons have reached strategic range and hypersonic speed. The dagger has a range of 2 km, plus the range of the carrier. Those. without leaving your air defense zone (or White Rus') you can hit London. Zircons have a range of up to a thousand kilometers. Iskander with BR and with special warheads climbs into shorter-range missiles. Well, apparently, the already tested Frontier will take up combat duty after being released from the fetters of strategic offensive arms.
      1. bayard
        bayard 21 February 2023 23: 57
        +7
        Quote: hrych
        Well, apparently, the already tested Frontier will take up combat duty after being released from the fetters of strategic offensive arms.

        The "Frontier" should be put into service like an IRBM (although there is a threshold range, it slightly climbs into the ICBM, but for this it is enough to load its warhead with a couple of additional warheads ... and there will be "Pioneer-2").
        But we still need to get out of START - it won’t be possible to agree fairly, it’s impossible to give in to us in any way, and all American and European nuclear warheads on aircraft carriers in Europe can be counted as strategic weapons. Whether it's bombs or CR.
        By the way, there is no certainty that their (American) new stealth missiles will not be equipped with nuclear warheads at the right time. And that there will be no such nuclear warheads in the Kyrgyz Republic. "Trust lost!" - this is a sentence to any agreements with the countries of the West, whether it be old agreements or new initiatives of swindlers.
        Russia now has a strategic advantage in the ability to quickly increase the number of nuclear warheads and all types of its carriers. In the USA, the Minutemen practically rotted in the mines, the Ohio-type SSBNs in their significant part present a depressing sight for a long time remaining without repairs, and their strategic bombers almost fall apart in the air. And most importantly (which the president said, albeit in passing), is that the United States has run out / is running out of the deadlines for the technical shelf life of their strategic nuclear warheads. And their production capacity for the production of new ones ... is very frail and capable of producing from 10 to 30 nuclear warheads per year. No more . And the strategic weakness of the Enemy must be used and exploited to the maximum. The United States will not be able to respond to our buildup of strategic nuclear forces with its own buildup. They have neither the production of ICBMs, nor nuclear warheads for them. They are only planning to start production of new SSBNs, and they have VERY big problems with this - systemic.
        And we CAN.
        If, after completing the entire Boreev-A series (12 units), we do not write off and dispose of FIVE old Dolphins on which their Sineva and Liner SLBMs still have a very good resource, but simply take them to separate bays and we put it on combat duty in the surface position ... covering the air defense, of course, then we will immediately draw 80 "extra" SLBMs with a range of 11 km in our arsenal. WITHOUT any special costs for this.
        The same should be done with the production of "Ash" (or whatever the new version is called) - we continue to produce them GRK and introduce them into the EXISTING regiments. Just ... feel somewhat expanding their staffing.
        And of course, return the regiments to the MRBM to the Strategic Missile Forces. In this case, two types at once:
        - the same "Frontier", optimizing its range beyond 5500 km. by adding "extra / extra" warheads.
        - adoption of the IRBM with a range of 2000 - 2500 km. based on the "Dagger" as the second stage, and as the first stage, use the Iskander engine. There were already such proposals several years ago, and even the appearance of his launcher was cited.
        And also continue laying the Borey submarine in the Borey-K modification with the placement of the Zircon GZUR and the Caliber and Caliber-M missile launchers in its 16 launch cups. Build in batches of 12 (6 pieces each for the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet) and output to the database in the North Atlantic and to the Pacific coast of the USA ... as part of the KUG.
        All this is a very inexpensive idea, because the extreme "Borey-A" cost the treasury about 450 million dollars. (the head and the first ones in Veria cost about 550 million dollars each). For comparison, the frigate pr. 550 costs 22350 million, and the cost is 450 million ... CORVETTE (!!) pr 20385. So for the price of two brigades of corvettes (ideally) we can get two SSGN DIVISIONS with 80 "Zircons" on each ... or with 112 KR "Caliber" in launch cups. Of course, without taking into account the cost of missiles.
        And for this, you just need to CONTINUE building Boreas in a new modification.
        The United States, in the near future, will have to write off all the Minutemen, and the aging of the Ohio will be many times ahead of the pace of construction of the new Columbia submarines. During this time, China will deploy its new ... almost heavy (almost like our Molodets ICBMs) ICBMs, build new SSBNs and .... that's it.
        1. hrych
          hrych 22 February 2023 05: 51
          +1
          That's right, only the Iskander BR is made two-stage by replacing the half-ton warhead with a detachable block with a turbojet engine and a light special warhead. By dropping the mass of the first stage and accelerating the light, second stage, we will achieve a thousand and a half and from Prussia we will get to London.

          Along Borea with Zircons and Caliber. We have Ash with 32 PUs for Onyx and Zircon, and Caliber is unmeasured, because. they can still be used from 10 TA. Like Borey, in addition to SLBMs, there are 6-8 TAs and a stock of 40 missiles or torpedoes, including the Caliber nomenclature. That is, having fired off SLBMs, Borey can continue the strike function and, approaching the enemy closer from the TA, Calibers can burn a dozen or two more cities and enemy bases. Therefore, it is not worth making Boreas separately for Zircon / Caliber, he is already a Caliber bearer, and Zircon / Onyx bearer is Ash, like Caliber bearer. To the carriers of Poseidons, Pike-B and the three titanium ones, which do not have VPU, but have TA with Calibers, and even five Antei with 72 Onyx-Zircons-Calibers in VPU and TA Calibers. The prognosis is favorable laughing
          1. bayard
            bayard 23 February 2023 01: 45
            0
            Quote: hrych
            We have Ash with 32 PU for Onyx and Zircon

            "There will be 10 ash trees ... well, maybe 12, but this is not enough. Yes, and BC cannot be compared. What is 32 Zircons against 80 for Borea-K + up to twenty Calibers from TA? Or 112 + 20 = 132 "Caliber", yes with warheads from 500 Kt to 2 Mt.? And most importantly - "Borey-K" will cost 2+ times CHEAPER than "Ash-M" ... because for the money for one "Ash -M "we can get TWO (!) "Borea-K"! This is 160 "Zircon" + 40 "Caliber" or 264 "Caliber" (!) Against ... 32 "Zircon" or 40 "Caliber" for ONE " Ash". Calculate the return on one ruble invested in each of these projects in terms of shock capabilities.
            264 : 40 = 6,4 times!! 6,4 TIMES "Borey-K" is more effective than "Ash-M" in strike capabilities.
            In addition, having a water jet, it is less noisy and has a greater speed of silent running.
            And the "Borey" has 40 places in torpedo ammunition racks, and the "Ash" has 30.
            Quote: hrych
            having fired off SLBMs, Borey can continue the strike function and, approaching the enemy closer from the TA, Calibers can burn a dozen or two more cities and enemy bases.

            This is an option for SSBNs. And here it’s already how to say ... From the combat deployment area in the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbOkhotsk, "Borey-A" can shoot at the USA and from there with "Caliber" at American bases in Japan. But where with their "Caliber" to go "Borea" from the Arctic Ocean? To the Barents Sea and from there along the Norgs and the Swedes? But according to them, "Warsaws" and "Ladas" will most likely work by that time. But the stock never pulls a pocket.
            Quote: hrych
            it’s not worth doing Boreas under Zircon / Caliber, he’s already a Caliber bearer, and Zircon / Onyx bearer is Ash

            "Ash trees" will not be many, they cost more than 1 billion dollars. (1,1 - 1,2) against 450 (!!!) for "Borea-A". SSGN "Borey-K" is unlikely to be more expensive than 500 - 550 million, even taking into account the rise in price of this modification. The production of these submarines has been mass-produced, they are being delivered rhythmically ... so what's the question if they are 6,4 TIMES more efficient than "Ash"?
            We have problems with surface forces and large surface ships will not appear soon. And the KUG, consisting of a pair of frigates and one Borea-K, will be able to provide a salvo (if to the maximum):
            32 + 32 + 132 = 196 CR!
            If everyone is with nuclear warheads, then this is enough to glaze the ENTIRE west or east coast of the USA to a depth of 1000 km. ! yes
            Isn't this "Paris" worth a mass? (of course from Dumas)
            Quote: hrych
            Shchukam-B

            Alas, we can't manage to save everyone with repairs. request
            Quote: hrych
            trinity of titanium

            There were four titanium ones, but they never waited for their repair / modernization ... While they are serving, but ...
            Quote: hrych
            and even five Antei with 72 Onyx-Zircons-Calibers in the VPU

            It’s not quite TLU (inclined) and ... too - one or two Batons will undergo modernization and they will have not 72, but 48 KR or Zircon request It was not possible to shove three into each launcher ... perhaps because of weight discipline, perhaps because of the dimensions.
            Quote: hrych
            The prognosis is favorable

            How to say here - we lost a lot of submarines due to the lack of timely repairs ... we didn’t wait, we delayed the modernization and repairs of Baton, we are late with the deliveries of diesel-electric submarines, and even those are not the last squeak ... And I don’t say this anymore about surface forces.
            Therefore, I consider my proposal to build two divisions of the Borey-K SSGN to be the same "knight's move", which will quickly resolve the issue of the insufficiency of the Fleet's strike forces and the strengthening of our KUG in DM and OZ.
            Quote: hrych
            The Iskander BR is made two-stage by replacing a half-ton warhead with a detachable block with a turbojet engine and a light special warhead.

            In this case, the special warhead will be too light and will only be able to hit "point" targets. Yes, and about a range of 1500 km. I doubt ... Yes, and such a range is not enough for all tasks in Europe.
            But if it is possible to do this in the dimensions of the Iskander, this will definitely not be superfluous.
            I spoke about the IRBM with a range of 2000 - 2500 km. based on the Kinzhal and the Iskander engine as the first stage. This will be able to carry a new nuclear warhead with a capacity of up to 2 Mt to the entire depth of the European theater of operations. with a weight of nuclear warheads of the order of 400 kg.
            And such an IRBM will not be superfluous in the Far East either.
            And if you go back to Cuba winked fellow in response to US nuclear bombs in Europe. feel
            And it's not at all difficult to implement. bully
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 22 February 2023 08: 59
          +1
          In the USA, the Minutemen practically rotted in the mines, the Ohio-type SSBNs in their significant part present a depressing sight for a long time remaining without repairs, and their strategic bombers almost fall apart in the air.

          Do not wishful thinking.
          The Minutemen have undergone numerous upgrades. And a volley of Tridents from 3000 km will not be enough for anyone!
          1. bayard
            bayard 23 February 2023 02: 08
            0
            Quote: VIK1711
            Do not wishful thinking.

            This is not my "wish", but the alarm in the US headquarters. Trump also threw thunder and lightning about the state of the American strategic nuclear forces and demanded the immediate completion of a radiochemical plant for the production of new nuclear warheads. For almost \ almost ALL US nuclear warheads have degraded. And no one cared about replacing them.
            So this is not my "wish" but the American harsh reality.
            Quote: VIK1711
            The Minutemen have undergone numerous upgrades.

            What do you know about these upgrades? Recharging of CTs in stages, replacement of seals and glands and testing of control systems?
            Do you know how old they are?
            The youngest of them was assembled and put into service in 1972 !!!
            We even have "Voivods" from the late 80s - early 90s (until 1992).
            They "Minutemen" have already been extended SO many times that their technical services have lost count. But the main problem of the US strategic nuclear forces is the degradation of their warheads.
            Quote: VIK1711
            There will be few tridents with 3000 km!

            Who would argue, Trident-2 is an excellent rocket, but even the youngest of them were assembled at the very beginning of the 90s.
            And yes - they did master the flight along a gentle trajectory ... in the past decade - they trained for a long time, which our "Sineva" was able to do back in the 80s.
            And it does it better. smile
            And at the same time it flies further. yes
            Quote: VIK1711
            - there won't be enough for anyone!

            In a nuclear war, yes, it’s not enough for anyone. crying
            But for some, MORE. love
      2. Diger
        Diger 22 February 2023 02: 02
        +1
        The whole problem is with new types of weapons.

        There are no such problems
        1. The treaty introduced the concepts of "non-deployed" carriers and launchers, that is, not in combat readiness, but used for training or testing, without warheads. Each side has the right to independently determine the composition and structure of its strategic offensive weapons within the total limits.
        2. The treaty prohibits the conversion of launchers of ICBMs and SLBMs into launchers for missile defense interceptors.
        1+2= there is nothing in the contract about "Poseidons" and "Petrels"
        The treaty contains: there is a ceiling on the quantity of intercontinental ballistic missiles, submarine missiles and heavy strategic bombers.
        "Petrels" do not even fall under the INF Treaty, which is dead.
        For example: The Outer Space Treaty.
        prohibition for participating states deployment of nuclear weapons or any other weapons of mass destruction in Earth orbit, its installation on the Moon or any other celestial body, or at a station in outer space.
        Nuclear, chemical and biological weapons are not allowed, but the maxim machine gun, D-3 howitzer or Rods of God are welcome.
        You can bring the laser into space, which thread is “Caliber-Space” or “Iskander-orbital”.
        If only without the nuclear warhead.
        PySy. Weapons based on "new physical principles" are impossible (although no one knows what it is - the Nobel Prize is still free and awaiting)
    4. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 21 February 2023 21: 59
      +5
      Quote: Pulkovo1942
      [Here should be a picture of a laughing Spaniard]

      Why then is it not so funny to all your Western idols of the Western world? A ? What ?
    5. The comment was deleted.
    6. Vasily Lugovskoy
      Vasily Lugovskoy 22 February 2023 18: 06
      0
      that the contract itself, in addition to carriers, also has such functions -
      "Twice a year, the parties exchange a huge amount of information, including the location of each missile, the number of warheads, production date, movement and status,"
      Ours hold one block on the yard, now they can wind three more on top
  2. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 21 February 2023 21: 05
    +2
    Well, now we will build new mines for the Sarmatians. We can also produce ground-based medium-range missiles, the United States withdrew from the treaty, it is not a problem to create ground-based launchers for Caliber, but it is more difficult with ballistic missiles.
    1. Iris
      Iris 21 February 2023 21: 11
      -24
      We will not. There is no money, everything was stolen. The missile army with the railway complexes of the Strategic Missile Forces (that's what the Americans were really afraid of) was disbanded. All four divisions. There are no others and never will be. The technical bases of the Strategic Missile Forces, that is, the arsenals of 12 GUs, have been reduced. And you are all about the Sarmatians ....
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 21 February 2023 21: 14
        +6
        Quote: Kasatik
        No money, everything was stolen.

        There is always money for nuclear forces, compared to conventional weapons, there are much smaller amounts.
      2. hrych
        hrych 21 February 2023 21: 36
        +10
        I came to my senses, these BZHRK would have already had 35 years of experience and were subject to decommissioning. The rocket itself is outdated, heavy and spoiled the rails. It was a masterpiece then, it sucks now. Now compact and perfect rockets have already appeared, which, if necessary, can be put into the car. Also, Barguzin has been developed and is waiting for political will to be adopted. Not only Sarmat ... we have Yars, both mine and mobile, and UR100UTTKh with Vanguard are already on duty. Therefore, there is no need for tantrums, all this is new, modern and surpasses the Soviet junk by a head, and even more so the American one.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 21 February 2023 21: 37
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          Also, Barguzin has been developed and is waiting for political will to be adopted. Not only Sarmat ... we have Yars, both mine and mobile, and UR100UTTKh with Vanguard are already on duty. Therefore, there is no need for tantrums, all this is new, modern and surpasses the Soviet junk by a head, and even more so the American one.

          If you wish, you can fit a rocket into an ordinary semi-trailer, before there was even a Courier PGRK project, but since then new electronics and materials have appeared, now it’s quite possible to fit in by weight. It looks like an ordinary truck, but in fact it is a PGRK.
        2. 7gor
          7gor 21 February 2023 23: 56
          +3
          You shouldn't be talking about "Soviet junk"!
          1. Plate
            Plate 22 February 2023 00: 15
            +3
            Why is it in vain? The USSR has been gone for more than 30 years. Therefore, everything that was done then is a priori junk. You would still swear in the style: "This is not royal junk for you!"
          2. hrych
            hrych 22 February 2023 06: 39
            +1
            Quote: 7gor
            You shouldn't be talking about "Soviet junk"!

            I'm in a good way, it's just that in 30-40 years rockets get old, components deteriorate. And new materials are also appearing, lighter and stronger, gunpowder with greater traction during combustion, and guidance systems are more advanced, where a less powerful charge is needed when covering a target. Why Soviet rockets are good, that the stake was on liquid ones and ampullation when refueling with fuel components greatly extended the guarantee, and if the rocket is not refueled, then it is stored for centuries. We "found" 40-50 unfilled Stilettos in our warehouse. They put Vanguard on them and forward. But in solid fuels, on which the Americans have relied, the oxidizer and reducing agent are not separated, but mixed in the form of a mixture of powders. And slowly but surely they react. Therefore, during the control shooting, the blocks do not show the required range, the accident rate is close to 50% despite the bravura statements, and the alteration is fraught. If with liquid, I merged the components, took it out of the mine, took it away and disassembled it, then here you need to get a barrel of gunpowder, it’s scary to carry it and it’s even scarier to disassemble it. The same bombs without a detonator rarely detonate, but here any spark from the piezoelectric effect, any slight deformation and heating of the southern Sun and hello. Therefore, they try not to touch the rocket in the mine, but to dispose of it by shooting. For a heap, put a satellite into low orbit, etc. In our mine-filled and liquid ones, the tanks gradually inflate due to gravity, the components are aggressive and over time can corrode the tank wall, albeit with a protective coating. Therefore, old age is not a joy. Here are the Korean Topkhodons-Hwaseongs, with LREs, they are unlikely to be refueled, a couple of tankers go behind the launchers. Raised vertically, refueled and launched. But security, even with reaction time, is sadness.
          3. dmi.pris1
            dmi.pris1 22 February 2023 06: 39
            +2
            This is all done on the basis of the developments of Tech People.
        3. Havoc
          Havoc 22 February 2023 00: 08
          0
          Quote: hrych


          Quote: hrych
          I came to my senses, these BZHRK would have already had 35 years of experience and were subject to decommissioning. The rocket itself is outdated, heavy and spoiled the rails. It was a masterpiece then, it sucks now. Now compact and perfect rockets have already appeared, which, if necessary, can be put into the car. Also, Barguzin has been developed and is waiting for political will to be adopted. Not only Sarmat ... we have Yars, both mine and mobile, and UR100UTTKh with Vanguard are already on duty. Therefore, there is no need for tantrums, all this is new, modern and surpasses the Soviet junk by a head, and even more so the American one.

          The trouble is not that the missiles are outdated, the trouble is that Russian Railways has become a private company, under these conditions it is not possible to maintain the secrecy of movement.
          1. hrych
            hrych 22 February 2023 06: 07
            0
            Quote: Havoc
            RZD became a private company

            Only 100% of the shares belong to the Russian Federation, on the basis of the Federal Law of February 27, 2003 No. 29-FZ "On the Features of Management and Disposition of Railway Transport Property". True, there are all sorts of subsidiaries ... And now the movement of echelons and special cars is classified and covered with legends and cover-ups, and the responsible employees of Russian Railways are with permission and responsibility for disclosure. The composition itself, if detected, is very difficult to hit as a moving target. And if, unlike the Soviet BZHRK, the car is standard, then the station workers will not distinguish it. Thousands of carriages pass there every day, and God knows what is there. Maybe Barguzin has been running for a long time wassat with a high degree of probability ... by the way.
            1. dmi.pris1
              dmi.pris1 22 February 2023 06: 42
              0
              And what does a "standard" car mean? The Soviet model was disguised as a refrigerated section
              1. hrych
                hrych 22 February 2023 07: 35
                +1
                There, the car is not standard, a little more, with a reinforced chassis and the configuration of the composition was striking, the number of diesel locomotives, etc.
    2. KCA
      KCA 22 February 2023 09: 03
      0
      There was also news on the VO that the PGRK with the Zircon was rolled out for testing, but in the Bastion, I think it’s not a problem to place the Caliber instead of the Onyx, the Bastions have worked more than once or twice on the ground
  3. ALEXX.
    ALEXX. 21 February 2023 21: 05
    +3
    Well, just think, the West is a little disappointed, so now our president needs to rewrite his speech or what?
  4. Alf
    Alf 21 February 2023 21: 05
    +5
    In Paris, they said they were disappointed with Vladimir Putin's decision to suspend Russia's membership in the New START Treaty. The press service of the President of France released a statement saying the following:

    We hope that the President of Russia will reverse his decision on the START treaty.

    I see here.
    not only the United States, but also the other nuclear powers of NATO - France and Great Britain - are directed against Russia. And these countries, as you know, do not participate in the treaty.

    I don't see it here...
  5. voice of reason
    voice of reason 21 February 2023 21: 05
    -5
    Macron is just a balabolka and a protege of the Rothschilds. Or the Rockefellers. what's the difference. A puppet of the world behind the scenes.
  6. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 21 February 2023 21: 06
    +1
    Russia should have ~4000 strategic warheads on launch vehicles: this is START-2 level.
    1. The comment was deleted.
  7. South Ukrainian
    South Ukrainian 21 February 2023 21: 06
    +4
    In order to scare the "collective West", it turns out that no big words are needed, let alone curses in their direction ......
  8. Iris
    Iris 21 February 2023 21: 08
    -5
    The Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement in which it nullified the words of the GDP about the Treaty. All provisions will be carried out as before. The question is - why then was it necessary to move the air from the podium?
    1. Andron78
      Andron78 21 February 2023 21: 23
      +6
      "At the same time, in order to maintain a sufficient degree of predictability and stability in the nuclear missile sphere, Russia intends to adhere to a responsible approach and will continue to strictly comply with the quantitative restrictions on strategic offensive arms provided for by it within the life cycle of the Treaty. In addition, the Russian side will continue to participate in the exchange with the American party notifications of launches of ICBMs and SLBMs on the basis of the relevant agreement between the USSR and the USA in 1988.
      I will share with you a wonderful habit ... before you open your mouth, it’s good to get acquainted with the essence of the issue, so as not to look either a half-wit or a provocateur.
    2. Argon
      Argon 21 February 2023 21: 27
      0
      Where and when was it? When did you have time? What are you about?
    3. The comment was deleted.
  9. Million
    Million 21 February 2023 21: 09
    +4
    And we hope that Putin will not cancel this decision.
    1. Plate
      Plate 22 February 2023 00: 17
      +2
      He has already submitted it to the State Duma. On February 22, they will certainly accept it. The decision is not something that would be global, but a shift in the right direction. In my opinion, it is necessary to withdraw from START altogether.
  10. Bingo
    Bingo 21 February 2023 21: 23
    -1
    Macron, out of habit, went to wait for a call from Putin. It won't be there for the next six months.
  11. 1erWahrheitsMinister_1984
    1erWahrheitsMinister_1984 21 February 2023 21: 26
    +1
    Point 1 im francosischen Parliament:
    Wir hoffen, dass der russische Präsident seine Entscheidung zum START-Vertrag rückgängig machen wird.
    Point 2 im französischen Parlament: Und nun meine Damen und Herren kommen wir zu den umfangreichen Waffenlieferungen an die Ukraine wie Radpanzer...und und und...!!!

    Die westlichen "Anführer" leiden scheinbar an kollektiver
    Voll-Verblödung...!!! wassat wassat
  12. Christian Revuelta
    Christian Revuelta 21 February 2023 21: 27
    -1
    Macron is a US stooge, everyone knows that. His predecessor was also a stooge and lied about the Minsk accords. Same scum.
    1. novel66
      novel66 21 February 2023 22: 23
      +6
      Yes, you pulled up to write not in Russian, the moderators are fucking, where are you already, push into stupid heads !!!!
      1. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 21 February 2023 22: 39
        -2
        Exactly! Moreover, even more or less many people understand English, at least someone taught German and French at school, but all sorts of Poles, Chinese and peoples climb, whose languages ​​do not even want to be displayed.
      2. Zakirov Damir
        Zakirov Damir 21 February 2023 23: 09
        0
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Yes, you pulled up to write not in Russian, the moderators are fucking, where are you already, push into stupid heads !!!!

        What will the moderators push if they themselves do not understand anything.
      3. Plate
        Plate 22 February 2023 00: 19
        +3
        Highlighted the text and got automatic translation. You don’t even need to go to the corresponding site today. My browser automatically determines that the text is in another language and translates the selected part or a single word into Russian.
      4. nepunamemuk
        nepunamemuk 22 February 2023 11: 45
        +1
        don't know how to use the "tool"?
        You probably don't watch YouTube in English, do you?
        and my simple cheap phone for ten quietly translates laughing
  13. blackGRAIL
    blackGRAIL 21 February 2023 21: 32
    -16
    Russia will not economically pull the quantitative excess of START. Throughout the history of these agreements, it has been demonstrating a reduction in the number at a faster pace. This was one of Russia's main benefits from the treaties (apart from reputational ones), the reduction of our nuclear arsenal took place against our will. The advent of hypersonic weapons makes the START treaty deadly. American hypersound (and the question of its appearance is a matter of time) will be designed for a preemptive disarming strike, which there is nothing to resist.
    1. hrych
      hrych 21 February 2023 22: 08
      +6
      Let's call it bullshit. wassat The quantitative excess of START is achieved by a multiple increase in warheads relative to launch vehicles. For example, one Sarmat destroys the whole coast, hitting ten megacities. And also one Poseidon washes away the US coast as well. At the expense of American hypersound. And why is it a matter of time when they fought with him for decades, failed the topic and returned to it when Russia adopted it. Therefore, they cannot see the edge with hypervoice. And we will not wait, but we will move on. The Americans do not have experience in operating even supersonic cruise missiles, so do not grind ahead of time. And there is something to resist hypersound. First of all, you can already deliver a preemptive strike against them with hypersound, but they simply DO NOT have it, as well as the old scheme with mines in the depths of the territory, the answer to SLBMs and Poseidon, like a Dead Hand. Well?
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 21 February 2023 23: 03
        +1
        Strictly speaking, silo-based ICBMs in the United States are poorly protected - and they simply cannot strike back, this already multiplies the whole race to zero - the Russian Federation responds in any case, the United States - only if it starts first
    2. Plate
      Plate 22 February 2023 00: 22
      0
      What? Nuclear weapons even under Khrushchev, it seems, were dubbed weapons for the poor. I read something about those times. Yes, this is understandable. Rivet missiles and warheads to them is clearly cheaper than keeping a horde of aircraft, tanks and ships comparable to the current American one. The United States has to rob the whole world to support such an army. But for a nuclear missile arsenal capable of inflicting catastrophic damage on the United States, the flawed DPRK is enough.
  14. Pavel_Sveshnikov
    Pavel_Sveshnikov 21 February 2023 21: 40
    +1
    And I hope that ours will begin testing Yao without regard to the United States and its henchmen. It makes no sense to listen to these mutts. They are still zero without a wand until they end their vassalage.
    1. RED_ICE
      RED_ICE 21 February 2023 22: 05
      0
      Putin said that Russia will start testing nuclear weapons, but only after the Yankees start
  15. sifgame
    sifgame 21 February 2023 21: 41
    +13
    Actually kind of surreal. They laughed at Putin as they spent him on the Minsk agreements. Here Putin answered and they must not like what they were thinking about when making such statements, how they will now improve relations with Russia, and sooner or later they will have to establish on what principles. The oral agreements were not respected by deceiving Gorbachev, stating that it was in words, show the document, now they brazenly deceived Putin despite the presence of the document and do not hesitate to flaunt it. Some kind of political slag in Europe.
    1. Plate
      Plate 22 February 2023 00: 28
      +1
      Plus. Everyone has been deceived all the time. This is common practice, nothing new here. Nothing to be offended about, to be honest. But no one has ever told this with pride to the public. Even in the memoirs, years after the resignations, they tried to cover up, justify, or even keep silent. And only historians came to conclusions about deliberate deception, or intelligence services based on the results of studying secret documentation, both their own and someone else's.
      And then ... here they proudly announce: "WE DECEIVED YOU!" And for what? No, well, well, well, they deceived, okay, the first time or what? Russia, too, used to twist around the finger with agreements, which is a sin to hide. But the Europeans need to translate all this into some kind of vulgarity. Thought, I wonder how they will launder from this? As you noticed, a dialogue with Russia will then have to be established in any case. Or is it just for this that it was done so that there would be no more negotiations? Have you cut off your escape routes? What kind of idiots do that? Or not idiots, but American fosterlings who already have beaches in Florida and land in Alaska ready?
      1. Vladimir80
        Vladimir80 22 February 2023 08: 29
        +1
        Yes, they will not need to establish a dialogue, because according to their plans, instead of the Russian Federation, there will be specific principalities and khanates with kings, and the beacons of democracy in the face of the pylos, the can and the saliva will ride on them like in the outskirts, and the serfs will kiss their shoe ...
  16. zorglub bulgroz
    zorglub bulgroz 21 February 2023 21: 42
    +8
    I'm French. I read the comments in the French newspaper "Le Monde" about North Korea.
    It's crazy how some people are willing to burn down Pyongyang for democracy.
    Here people are also nervous
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 February 2023 21: 47
      +2
      I am calm!
      I am calm!
      I am calm!
      We repeat, repeat and plunge into ... it’s up to someone where it will be possible to plunge.
    2. nepunamemuk
      nepunamemuk 22 February 2023 12: 05
      -1
      write in french
      it's hard to understand you in russian what
  17. 6erJIblu
    6erJIblu 21 February 2023 21: 42
    +4
    Well, here without words, however. {there is enough letterc for a comment}
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 21 February 2023 22: 04
      -1
      The whole world is in turmoil! ?
      Quote: 6erJIblu
      Well, here without words, however. {there is enough letterc for a comment}
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 21 February 2023 21: 45
    0
    French authorities: We hope that the President of Russia will cancel his decision to suspend Russia's membership in the START treaty
    . "Whole life ahead!
    Hope and wait!"
    We'll just live differently...
    We want to live in our own way and there is no need to fly to us with our democracy and other nasty things ...
  19. DefenderofTruth
    DefenderofTruth 21 February 2023 21: 53
    -8
    It looks like Putin has found a combat point for NATO and the United States
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 21 February 2023 22: 05
      +1
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      It looks like Putin has found a combat point for NATO and the United States

      I believe this erotic (sore point) point Putin has long found. And now I decided to massage a little .. NATO squealed ....
  20. razved
    razved 21 February 2023 22: 03
    +2
    And why do the French authorities have such hopes? Are they our true friends or allies? But I remember that the Supreme Commander gave the command to our grouping in Syria to treat the French aircraft carrier as an ally ... Although nothing else should be expected from frogs in life ... History, however ...
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 February 2023 22: 14
    +1
    Actually, I don't understand this move. It was necessary to withdraw from START, as well as from the test agreement. And conduct a nuclear test. Moreover, on a real carrier of CR or BR with tyaz.
    1. Hanurik
      Hanurik 21 February 2023 22: 38
      -1
      The answer is simple to disgrace. The capitalist servants have their own world, a parallel one. It is difficult for the inhabitants of Russia to explain this, but every week I see how I stop by the Rublyovka area. We don't understand them, they don't understand us. That’s why they burst with Ukraine, because they were rubbing things at their tops, while Nazi battalions were being prepared and pumped up at the bottom.
    2. Plate
      Plate 22 February 2023 00: 32
      -2
      We need to get out of START, I agree.
      But why withdraw from the test agreement and conduct a test, it is not clear to me. Back in the 60s and 70s, they learned how to simulate nuclear explosions on a computer with a fairly high accuracy. The need for field trials has long since disappeared. Just trying to scare someone. But I personally would not be scared of atomic explosions in some American desert. It is not clear why a casual American should be afraid of explosions on Novaya Zemlya.
  22. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 21 February 2023 22: 45
    +1
    Does that mean "suspension of the contract"? That is, what is the difference from withdrawing from the same treaty?
    1. Mol_18
      Mol_18 21 February 2023 22: 58
      0
      The main thing is that the contract with the grain deal should not be suspended.
      1. Vladimir80
        Vladimir80 22 February 2023 08: 24
        -5
        The suspension from the exit lies in the fact that this is a bluff and an attempt to bargain with cheaters, as ineffective as the whole past year of throwing and trying to get out of the pit ...
  23. guest
    guest 21 February 2023 23: 27
    +2
    We hope that the President of Russia will reverse his decision on the START treaty.

    And we hope that the President of France will cancel his decision to transfer weapons to the Kyiv Nazis.
  24. 1razvgod
    1razvgod 21 February 2023 23: 34
    0
    French hopes should not be confused with the hopes of macrons and those in power ... There is no interest in the conflict for the people of France, but for the prezik they are ...
  25. The comment was deleted.
    1. Victor_4
      Victor_4 22 February 2023 06: 35
      0
      We don’t give a damn about this wretched France, and of course we saw the parades. Let them continue in the same spirit.
  26. VB
    VB 22 February 2023 00: 24
    -2
    Almost nothing was said for almost 40 minutes. More than 15 minutes - complaints about partners. At the same time, not a word about how we will respond to aggression and sanctions. We will punish traitors only morally.
    In the army, everything is fine with us, and it will be even better. Not a word about defeats, failures, difficulties. In the military economy, everything is also excellent and continuous growth. In general, everything is fine in the economy.
    Not a word about changing the status of the NWO to at least WHO (not to mention the war).
    Not a word about the mistakes and responsibility for them of any of the authorities. Everything works perfectly and correctly. A new state fund for helping servicemen, veterans, etc.
    There will be no "guns instead of butter" - we will "specially operate" with partners at the same time, and cook porridge, and cut pinocchio, and invest money in the US national debt at one workplace. BLA-BLA-BLA. There is no point in listening. Another chance to prevent turmoil has been missed today. Not the fact that not the last. I. Strelkov
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 22 February 2023 08: 21
      -2
      I repeat, to all thinking people the futility and emptiness of yesterday's chatter was clear in advance. Those who each time hope for something should rethink their attitude to what is happening and get rid of infantilism
  27. faterdom
    faterdom 22 February 2023 00: 34
    +2
    I don’t understand something: who are the French in this treaty?
    Trinity wattle?
    The contract was only between Russia and the United States, there were no French there. Although, they were just invited to participate in it if they really want to, like the UK, but in the overall balance of the USA + France + Great Britain = Russia.
    They themselves, as part of one organized criminal group, declared our enemies.
  28. Tim666
    Tim666 22 February 2023 00: 39
    -2
    Quote: hrych
    I came to my senses, these BZHRK would have already had 35 years of experience and were subject to decommissioning. The rocket itself is outdated, heavy and spoiled the rails. It was a masterpiece then, it sucks now. Now compact and perfect rockets have already appeared, which, if necessary, can be put into the car. Also, Barguzin has been developed and is waiting for political will to be adopted. Not only Sarmat ... we have Yars, both mine and mobile, and UR100UTTKh with Vanguard are already on duty. Therefore, there is no need for tantrums, all this is new, modern and surpasses the Soviet junk by a head, and even more so the American one.

    Is the mace superior to the Typhoon?))) What is the superiority of Yars over the Scalpel or Voevoda? UR-100 actually these are the very old Soviet galoshes)))
    1. hrych
      hrych 22 February 2023 23: 25
      0
      Typhoon - what is it? If the NATO designation is Sharks, then compare the Mace with a rocket, and compare the SSBNs with another submarine. Those. Borei with the Shark (NATO Typhoon), and the Mace with the R-39. There is a nuance here. Borey has the speed of a multi-purpose vehicle, the fastest SSBN in history, and therefore uninterceptable. The shark is the largest nuclear submarine of mankind, but it makes twice as much noise, the speed is modest, etc. It surpasses Borey by 4 SLBMs ... in total, according to BB TIN, it is more significant. But for nuclear submarines, the main thing is not the number of missiles and blocks, but namely low noise and non-interceptibility. Therefore, Boreas rules. Also, the Mace has a small accelerating trajectory, a quasi-ballistic trajectory and more advanced blocks. Therefore, Shark (Typhoon) is the best submarine of the 20th century, and Borey, the best in the 21st century ... so far. UR100 is not a big deal, but in conjunction with the Vanguard, it is already something new. Yars is cooler than Stiletto and Satan (Voevoda), in that it is more versatile and, in addition to the mine, can be mobile. It has a smaller overclocking area and is cheaper. Of course, it has a lower casting weight and the number of blocks. Therefore, they are replaced by Sarmat.
  29. Kostya N
    Kostya N 22 February 2023 01: 24
    +2
    Quote: Arsi55
    Yes, France of this wretched morel was eating in his mouth! You look at the parades that take place in Europe, gas prices are lower than pre-war

    But debilof on the site with heels has become more.
  30. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 22 February 2023 07: 43
    0
    I'm just wondering, how does GDP reflect the state of the economy? It's like in Germany, the industry is slowly collapsing, factories are closing, and the GDP is growing, and how the GDP of Poland and the Baltics is growing in general is a song.
  31. The comment was deleted.
  32. megavolt823
    megavolt823 22 February 2023 10: 44
    +3
    From the time of the late USSR to this day, the country has signed so many agreements. And she joined different organizations. What is the opinion about betrayal. I have nothing more to say.
  33. Former soldier
    Former soldier 22 February 2023 11: 08
    +1
    On a good START, you need to revise. Russia's nuclear forces should be equal to the combined nuclear forces of NATO (USA, France and Britain). Otherwise, tricks are possible.
  34. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 22 February 2023 12: 40
    +4
    We hope that the President of Russia will reverse his decision on the START treaty.

    And we hope that the President of France, as a personal lap dog of the overseas grandfather, will stop interfering in the affairs of Russia. After he behaved like an irresponsible schoolboy, dumping audio recordings of secret negotiations into the media, no one in Russia is going to talk to him. And to listen
    opinion of France - definitely no one will.
  35. james
    james 22 February 2023 15: 30
    0
    I listened to the performance online - pulled me to sleep and remembered the performances of "Dear Leonid Ilyich", I was also drawn to sleep.
    I remember an anecdote from that time.
    - In the next five years, we will live even better.
    -Voice from the audience: "And we?"
  36. Tim666
    Tim666 22 February 2023 23: 34
    0
    Quote: Former soldier
    On a good START, you need to revise. Russia's nuclear forces should be equal to the combined nuclear forces of NATO (USA, France and Britain). Otherwise, tricks are possible.

    Let's say NATO signed such an agreement, but where to get gold from? It will not be like a joke:
    the CIA is preparing a plan for the collapse of the USSR, let's just arrange it so that the USSR will re-host the Olympics)
  37. Tim666
    Tim666 22 February 2023 23: 44
    0
    Quote: Plate
    We need to get out of START, I agree.
    But why withdraw from the test agreement and conduct a test, it is not clear to me. Back in the 60s and 70s, they learned how to simulate nuclear explosions on a computer with a fairly high accuracy. The need for field trials has long since disappeared. Just trying to scare someone. But I personally would not be scared of atomic explosions in some American desert. It is not clear why a casual American should be afraid of explosions on Novaya Zemlya.

    The North Koreans made a cartoon about Seoul burning down and believe that everyone got scared at once) What if they get seriously scared and say let's live together ...