President of the Russian Federation: I have decided to suspend our membership in the START treaty

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President of the Russian Federation: I have decided to suspend our membership in the START treaty


Vladimir Putin spoke about issues of strategic security. The head of state pointed out that the existing agreements contained the signatures of representatives of the Russian and US authorities. But, as the president emphasized, "Russia's strategic defeat" threatens to inflict the entire NATO alliance. And nuclear weapon in NATO, not only the United States has, but also Britain and France, and these arsenals are constantly being improved and remain directed against Russia.



No one should be under the illusion that global strategic parity can be destroyed

- the President noted during his address to the Federal Assembly.

According to the president, there can be no strategic security when they threaten us with a strategic defeat and immediately demand that they be allowed to Russia's nuclear facilities for monitoring.

Vladimir Putin:

In this regard, I have decided to suspend our membership in the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty - START.

The President stressed that this is not a withdrawal from the treaty, but a suspension - until the moment of its general substantive discussion with the entry of other owners of nuclear weapons.

The head of state pointed to the availability of information about the readiness of Western countries to carry out full-scale nuclear tests.

Putin:

We must be ready for this and ready to conduct our own similar tests. But we will not be the first to do this. If the US does, then we will.

Head of State:

The truth is upon us!
  • Ministry of Defense of Russia
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  1. +49
    February 21 2023
    We also need to withdraw from the WTO and the WHO, this is the right way. Then we will become even more independent, the trade in pads, pills and consumer goods carries more dough than any war. And yes, World-World.
    1. -15
      February 21 2023
      President of the Russian Federation: I have decided to suspend our membership in the START treaty
      for the sake of this, everyone was waiting for the "conversion" ...? globally...
      1. +15
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Dead Day
        President of the Russian Federation: I have decided to suspend our membership in the START treaty
        for the sake of this, everyone was waiting for the "conversion" ...? globally...

        You obviously expected Putin to press the "red button" on the podium? am
        1. +19
          February 21 2023
          The decision to nationalize the Central Bank would be cooler than pressing the "red button" hi
          1. -1
            February 21 2023
            Quote: Maverick1812
            The decision to nationalize the Central Bank would be cooler than pressing the "red button"

            Why does our country need a second Central Bank? We have one, why should we nationalize someone else?
            1. -2
              February 21 2023
              There is such a sect of "witnesses to the IMF, Soros and UFO", for some reason they stubbornly believe that the Central Bank must be nationalized for the 2nd, Nth, N + 1 times, although the law on the Central Bank says:
              The authorized capital and property of the Bank is federal property.
              They don't know how to nationalize federal property wink
          2. +1
            February 21 2023
            Quote: Maverick1812
            The decision to nationalize the Central Bank would be cooler than pressing the "red button"

            But less realistic..............
        2. +10
          February 21 2023
          Few people noticed one phrase. The Supreme Commander mockingly announced the adoption of a new ground-based complex. Taking into account the arsenals of Britain and France, plus the suspension of strategic offensive arms, we are waiting for the adoption of the universal Frontier complex, which flies from ICBMs to SD missiles, which is mobile, possibly in the BZHRK version. It has been tested, it has already caused US concern. A kind of reincarnation of the Pioneer rocket, only with intercontinental capabilities. If Pioneer shot through the entire West Coast of the USA from Anadyr, Frontier will shoot through the whole USA, and from Altai it will shoot through the EU and disgusting London.
          1. +2
            February 21 2023
            All of them are waiting for the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah
            1. +1
              February 21 2023
              I kept breaking my head about who would be the signatories START 4 except for the Russian Federation and the United States, maybe China and North Korea
              and it looks like - no more bending at all Will not
              1. -1
                February 21 2023
                By the way, after his phrase about withdrawing from START, he had to stop to wait out the applause.
                1. -2
                  February 22 2023
                  Russia is not withdrawing from START. What were you listening to.
                  1. +1
                    February 22 2023
                    Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36
                    Russia is not withdrawing from START. What were you listening to.

                    In the same way, the NATO countries did not seem to steal Russian finances, but "only froze."
                    It is clear that the United States will no longer allow our aircraft to fly over its territory. The maximum is a "castrated" option, they will be allowed to fly somewhere where there is absolutely nothing guaranteed. Moreover, a year before the inspection, coordinate the flight. And in return they will demand that their inspectors fly over Russia whenever and wherever they want.
                    So yes. We sort of "not quite" came out. But we won't be there anymore.
      2. +4
        February 21 2023
        The next step will be to change the Doctrine of the Russian Federation on the use of nuclear weapons.
      3. +4
        February 21 2023
        For example, I was waiting for the Guarantor to declare a fight against agents of influence. These guys work no worse than nuclear weapons in Russia.
      4. 0
        February 23 2023
        Quote: Dead Day
        for the sake of this, everyone was waiting for the "conversion" ...? globally...

        NO! it's all politics!
        We used to believe in the West! But he can no longer be trusted.
    2. +17
      February 21 2023
      And also OSCE, IOC, IMF, UEFA, IAEA!
      1. +7
        February 21 2023
        In general, I support it, a country like ours, Russia, is quite capable of setting the tone for the international agenda, so that they themselves knock on our doors with bread and salt, so long as the comprador elite does not crap.
        1. +5
          February 21 2023
          Quote: K._2
          Russia is quite capable of setting the tone for the international agenda

          Russia lost this opportunity (at least partially) in the 90s. Now, to get it back, a lot of blood will be shed. However, the whole history of mankind shows that there is no other way. It was always and everywhere, without exception. If you want to be strong, prove it. And Russia too often made concessions.
      2. +14
        February 21 2023
        Quote from DefenderofTruth
        And also OSCE, IOC, IMF, UEFA, IAEA!

        Yes. Consider the expediency of Russia's participation in all hostile and politicized international organizations against us.
      3. +8
        February 21 2023
        ILO has been forgotten. laughing
        the administration of the site does not carry useful information.
    3. -10
      February 21 2023
      From whom will we become independent? And what did the pads do to you? Peace - Peace!
      1. -2
        February 21 2023
        Quote from: Derbes19
        And what did the pads do to you?
        These are THEIR pads. Do you have a wife? Do you stick your nose in her pads? We don't have to stick our nose in their pads.
        1. -2
          February 21 2023
          Are you now posting from the gadget of whose production you wrote? Well, pads. We don't have to stick our nose in their pads. Should we stick our noses in?)
          1. 0
            February 21 2023
            Quote from: Derbes19
            Are you now posting from the gadget of whose production you wrote?
            What gadgets? We are talking about international organizations in which our rights are infringed in the interests of the United States. What is your interest in them? Or are you just into gadgets?
            1. 0
              February 23 2023
              It's about science and economics. Without science and economics, there will be no gaskets or gadgets or anything else. Only the economic power of the state matters. Without this power, there will be nothing, including a modern army.
    4. 0
      February 21 2023
      Quote: K._2
      We still need to leave the WTO
      It was difficult to enter the WTO, but it was much more difficult to leave: all WTO members (EMNIP) must give permission to exit there.
      1. +2
        February 21 2023
        You may not go out. You can simply stop fulfilling your obligations. Let them exclude themselves.
      2. +1
        February 22 2023
        I am begging you. What's the resolution in FIG. You apply and after half a year you are free. Even if supposedly some kind of approval is required - what's the difference? You set protective duties, refuse to pay fines and negotiate directly with countries that depend on you. About approval, this is generally some kind of fairy tale invented by an unknown person.
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    1. +16
      February 21 2023
      if you want peace, prepare for war.....
    2. +12
      February 21 2023
      Wait!

      and all the same somehow unexpectedly, suddenly all this is somehow ..
      START is a peacetime treaty!! What kind of peace treaties can there be with the enemy during the war?
      1. +3
        February 21 2023
        To be honest, I personally expected this for a month. This is not overdue, but already overripe.
  3. -16
    February 21 2023
    Very timely news for the US. This treaty was very difficult for them. China intends to triple its nuclear arsenal by 2035, so the United States needs to have an arsenal comparable to China and Russia combined.
    They also need to militarize space. Having superiority by orders of magnitude in the load being launched, they can make a qualitative leap forward. Thank you Musk for this.
    The United States also needs to remove restrictions on long-range / strategic bombers, in the confrontation with China they have a key role.
    In general, for the United States is extremely positive news.
    1. +29
      February 21 2023
      It’s nice that the Americans in your person are happy .... if they conclude a new treaty, then take into account the USA, France, Great Britain, Israel, etc. ... and there is nothing for enemies to climb our nuclear facilities when the enemies they don’t let us in ... especially since we have not withdrawn from the treaty, but only suspended its operation ...
      and yes ... We have already made a qualitative leap in the nuclear arsenal, and they will only do so ... and we do not stand still, there are developments and they are in active development - now the Americans will not be able to watch this ... it's high time was to send the United States on an erotic journey ... In general, extremely positive news for Russia.
      1. +1
        February 21 2023
        So that every village and the shell factory next to it in the UWB knows that not only Fashington will reach the temperature of the Sun, but also their distant Mukhas-ran villages will not be able to hide.
      2. -2
        February 21 2023
        All nuclear deterrence treaties were concluded before the emergence of China as a serious nuclear power. By the way, the INF Treaty is extremely relevant for Russia. The United States and Russia have limited themselves to this class of missiles, but China has not. To whom do the Chinese INFs pose a greater threat to us or the United States?
        1. D16
          +1
          February 21 2023
          To whom do Chinese INFs pose a big threat?

          India, Japan.
    2. -23
      February 21 2023
      now it is possible to use tactical nuclear weapons on bridges on the Dnieper without consequences
      1. +10
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        now it is possible to use tactical nuclear weapons on bridges on the Dnieper without consequences

        Yes, then we would not have been limited even before, without this statement by the GDP, since the use of tactical nuclear weapons (SNF) is determined not by the START, but by our Military Doctrine. winked
        1. 0
          February 21 2023
          The use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is defined (or rather prohibited) by a special supplementary annex to the NPT. And its violation is the practically guaranteed collapse of the NPT (it is based on this additional agreement) and a couple of dozen new nuclear states within ten to fifteen years.
      2. +3
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        now it is possible to use tactical nuclear weapons on bridges on the Dnieper without consequences

        And for many, many years to have the great Slavic river Slavutich-Dnieper poisoned? Which will carry poisoned waters to the Crimea, Odessa, Varna?
        1. -6
          February 21 2023
          What nonsense. Modern nuclear weapons are quite "clean". Moreover, low-power tactical charges do not have enough radioactive materials to infect large areas. The explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant led to the release of almost hundreds (thousands) of more radiation than as a result of a hypothetical limited nuclear war (without the use of strategic carriers and "large" warheads).
          1. 0
            February 21 2023
            Normally, you were downvoted. Well, there are a lot of armchair critics. they are specialists in cons.
            And even the fact that the entire TNW projectile weighs 120 kg including the shell, and in Chernobyl the release of only radioactive components was several tens of tons. Well, they can't think about it. Yes, and the example of Hiroshima for some reason does not come to reason.
        2. -3
          February 21 2023
          for many years to have poisoned the great Slavic river

          It seems to me that for lovers of "great Slavic myths" do the Okrainians have separate military units?
      3. 0
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        now it is possible to use tactical nuclear weapons on bridges on the Dnieper without consequences

        How do you even imagine the use of NUCLEAR, albeit tactical, weapons on OUR territory without consequences for our territory? Do you understand that after this there will be neither the Dnieper River nor the fertile territory 500 km east of the explosion?
        1. +2
          February 21 2023
          How can a tactical charge containing a few, single kilograms of radioactive material be able to infect an area 500 kilometers around and poison a full-flowing river? Are you probably one of those people who sincerely believe in the end of _biological_ life on earth as a result of a nuclear war? Guessed?
          1. +1
            February 21 2023
            Thanks to the science fiction writers and filmmakers. It just has nothing to do with reality. As it has not been scientifically proven from the word at all.
    3. +16
      February 21 2023
      Quote from cold wind
      Very timely news for the US. This treaty was very difficult for them.


      the United States really needed this agreement. The first thing Biden did was precisely the automatic extension of START 3. And as we all know, if some treaty interferes with the United States, they withdraw from it unilaterally, as was the case with the ABM treaty.
      1. +3
        February 21 2023
        Quote: lopvlad
        .The first thing Biden did was precisely the automatic extension of START3.

        Whereas Trump - the then US President's Special Representative for Arms Control Marshall Billingsley - "We are not interested in simply extending the Treaty on Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms. This treaty, as I said, barely passed in the Senate [when ratified in 2010] - believes Billingslea. - <...> The reasons are that this is a bad deal for the United States. The agreement covers 90% of the American [nuclear] arsenals and at the same time 40% of the Russian arsenals." https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/10340041.
    4. +9
      February 21 2023
      So let's see how the Americans will happily scream from behind the hillock. wassat
      1. +1
        February 21 2023
        Already started to rejoice. Especially pleased with Stoltenberg.
        https://ria.ru/20230221/nato-1853454855.html
    5. +6
      February 21 2023
      Quote from cold wind
      Very timely news for the US. This treaty was very difficult for them.

      Yes, yes, yes ... An old song. If he interfered, they themselves would get out of it.
      1. +1
        February 21 2023
        So they were going to go out under Trump, if Trump had won the election, START would have been broken at 21.
        1. 0
          February 21 2023
          Quote: donavi49
          So they gathered to go out under Trump

          In this case, the change of president does not play any role.
          1. -1
            February 21 2023
            No. Just here the cabinets have the exact opposite position:
            Trump - we rewrite the treaties as it is beneficial to America or we leave them. This also applied to START III, I just didn’t have time, I planned it for a second term.
            Biden - we are sitting in the current position, START3 is quite satisfied.

            Here it is more interesting what Trump was counting on then? To take on a show off and live, or really into a nuclear arms race with access to a sausage output rate, with the development of hundreds of billions of dollars annually by its sponsors.
            1. +1
              February 22 2023
              Quote: donavi49
              What did Trump expect then?

              Weird question. The strategic adversary of the United States is the PRC, which has not signed any treaties. So from this point of view, the START treaty is unilateral. Trump was going to cancel it and act on the situation. Long-term planning is not his forte.
            2. 0
              February 22 2023
              Quote: donavi49
              Trump - we rewrite the treaties as it is beneficial to America or we leave them. This also applied to START III, I just didn’t have time, I planned it for a second term.
              Biden - we are sitting in the current position, START3 is quite satisfied.
              Is it true? But I see that recently the United States has been really climbing out of their skins, escalating the situation, one terrorist attack on the joint venture is worth something.
      2. 0
        February 21 2023
        Withdrawal from this treaty would mean an increase in spending on nuclear weapons in the billions of dollars. Why do they need this, if in their current form they considered themselves a superior force? Economically, they had no reason to do this. But in this case, there are Alaverdi - billions will need to be spent by us too.
    6. +3
      February 21 2023
      Quote from cold wind
      In general, for the United States is extremely positive news.

      Well, let's enjoy together winked
    7. 0
      February 21 2023
      Quote from cold wind
      Very timely news for the US. This treaty was very difficult for them.
      In what place did he disturb them so much?
      1. +1
        February 21 2023
        It does not cover China's growing arsenal while limiting the US. Now the Chinese are seriously considering whether to provoke the States into an arms race and all the ensuing consequences.
    8. 0
      February 21 2023
      Quote from cold wind
      Very timely news for the US. This treaty was very difficult for them.
      We, too: we have too many targets (almost all of the ATS joined NATO), and each needs 2 warheads from different carriers.
  4. +24
    February 21 2023
    It's high time ...... and also to reconsider Russia's participation in other enslaving treaties, organizations with the West .....
    1. -6
      February 21 2023
      Yes, it's high time.)) Announce at least one plus for Russia from the suspension or withdrawal from the START treaty.
      1. +4
        February 21 2023
        The agreement is bilateral, the NATO bloc includes other countries with nuclear weapons, to which this agreement does not apply. Well..........? Few?
        1. 0
          February 21 2023
          How many such countries and how many nuclear weapons do they have? Now, if there were noticeable attempts to expand the arsenal of Great Britain and France, it would be possible to react (all the more so in the treaty we specifically made a clause about this!). What are the other benefits?
        2. -1
          February 21 2023
          You did not count the Chinese comrades. And China is no less a threat than NATO.
  5. +8
    February 21 2023
    And what will be the point of conducting a nuclear test after the United States? When our gas pipelines were blown up, we didn't blow them up. When more than 300 billion currencies were frozen in our country, we did not do the same. Again, what would be the meaning of this explosion?
    1. +20
      February 21 2023
      Quote: SKVichyakow
      And what will be the point of conducting a nuclear test after the United States?

      Nothing but saving face in front of the electorate. The whole message is water-water.
      1. +4
        February 21 2023
        How good it is to see that not everyone has turned off critical thinking yet!
        1. 0
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Smoked
          How good it is to see that not everyone has turned off critical thinking yet!

          About what aspect of Putin's speech was this "critical"
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The whole message is water-water.
          thinking? laughing
          Or, if only to be the first to stake out their next "fu"?
      2. +3
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The whole message is water-water.


        "..... so the boots are good. We must take"
        1. -2
          February 21 2023
          Quote: lopvlad
          it means the boots are good. We must take "

          I have already taken a Chinese replica of Lowa. Account bots.
      3. +1
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        And what will be the point of conducting a nuclear test after the United States?

        Nothing but saving face in front of the electorate. The whole message is water-water.

        What should have been said?
      4. -3
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        And what will be the point of conducting a nuclear test after the United States?

        Nothing but saving face in front of the electorate. The whole message is water-water.

        Water? I would not be so categorical. Or blurt out or what?
        1. +6
          February 21 2023
          Quote: 30 vis
          Water? I would not be so categorical. Or blurt out or what?

          What seemed to you a serious, defining statement? Words about what needs to be supported in the rear of the members of the NWO? This should happen by default.
          And about the fact that Biden and Zelya touched his lips with candy, thereby humiliating him in the eyes of the whole world, forgot to say? About the introduction of martial law in the country? About the mobilization of the economy? On the termination of trade relations with countries supplying weapons to Ukraine?
          Doesn't he know that changing beds in a brothel is not effective? Or do you not know that without serious personnel changes, degradation will continue?
          Again, what exactly seemed to you the fundamental message?
          1. +3
            February 21 2023
            The mode of action in relation to the external environment (proactive or reactive) is determined by the properties of the system. The current system of reactive action - works on the irritant of the external environment. Until it hurts, they won't move. In addition to the START treaty, everything else is a routine about which it was not necessary to speak, but simply to do.
          2. +1
            February 21 2023
            I would also add that suspending is not the same as exiting hi
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    2. +5
      February 21 2023
      An explosion of a nuclear charge underground in nature will be recorded by all seismic stations on the planet, as well as by observation satellites and other means (fixation of an increased background of radiation, etc.), that is, a clear demonstration of the existence of a combat-ready nuclear weapon, and not cartoons, and of response tests with the same goal, otherwise people on the planet after the end of the Cold War forgot their fears of a nuclear war, America decided to scare Russia (at the same time China and North Korea), by clearly demonstrating its withdrawal from the Nuclear Test Cessation Treaty, we will shake the Earth in response showing that our weapons are no less combat-ready and lethal.
    3. +9
      February 21 2023
      Quote: SKVichyakow
      what would be the point of conducting a nuclear test after the United States?


      A mandatory and necessary condition for the development of new nuclear weapons is testing. Without testing, it is impossible to develop new nuclear weapons. No simulators on computers and simulators can replace the real test. Therefore, the test limitation aims primarily to prevent the development of new nuclear systems by those states that already have them, and to prevent other states from becoming possessors of nuclear weapons.
      1. -1
        February 21 2023
        "No simulators on computers and simulators can replace a real test" ///
        ---
        This is not true.
        Checked.
        Simulations are accurate.
        1. +5
          February 21 2023
          Quote: voyaka uh

          This is not true.
          Checked.
          Simulations are accurate.


          Strange then, having some of the most powerful computers in the world, the US is going to carry out a nuclear explosion!!! What's the point? most likely there is a sense that does not rely on computer simulations ... I do not consider Americans not smart
          1. +1
            February 21 2023
            Someone somewhere told someone that they would carry out nuclear explosions! Nuclear weapons testing is important for those who develop nuclear weapons, because they don't have data. Over the past decades, the USSR / Russia and the USA have enough data for modeling. Do you think "Sarmat" carries the same charge as "Topol-M"?
        2. -1
          February 21 2023
          Well I do not know. We somehow managed without simulations. Tests are more precise. We have a place to blow up
        3. +3
          February 21 2023
          In addition to the fact that a model is a model and will never exactly correspond to a physical object, such tests tested a lot of military equipment for durability.
          1. 0
            February 21 2023
            So, what question is proposed to be answered by the test? And how was Sarmat accepted without nuclear testing? Or is everything the same as in the RS-20?
            1. +2
              February 21 2023
              Quote: Plover
              So, what question is proposed to be answered by the test? And how was Sarmat accepted without nuclear testing? Or is everything the same as in the RS-20?

              "Sarmat" is the bed of a nuclear charge, not the charge itself.
              Tests "Sarmat" were carried out.
              1. 0
                February 21 2023
                "Sarmat" is a carrier, but its charge is not the same as that of the RS-20, which was tested. Do you think a new charge for the Sarmat would have been accepted if the modeling had not been accurate?
                1. -1
                  February 21 2023
                  Have you been told what charge is there? Moreover, all carriers allow equipment with different heads.
                  1. -1
                    February 22 2023
                    I know for sure that it is not the same as on the RS-20. And any change in parameters must be checked before being put into service. Were there tests of charges for "Sarmat"? Did not have. Challenges for NEW charges are only needed for those who make charges for the first time. More tests are needed to understand - and "this" after 10 years still works as planned under the given storage conditions or not.
                    1. -1
                      February 22 2023
                      You contradict yourself. For new charges, tests are not needed, since the model will show everything, but for old ones, they are needed, because it is necessary to check how they work. Why not simulate?
                      1. -1
                        February 23 2023
                        Do not simulate all storage conditions and ancillary systems that have expired the standard period. More precisely, now - in new systems - most likely everything is in sensors that can take readings 24/7. Everything that is now on duty does not have this.
                2. -2
                  February 21 2023
                  Japanese God! The whole question is in the carriers. It's better to hit 10 warheads conditionally in 1
                  20ct. Than one in 20Mgt. This is already over. At the moment, the main task of the ICBM is to throw the "bus" along the desired trajectory.
        4. +3
          February 21 2023
          This is not true.
          Checked.
          Simulations are accurate.

          How can you check the accuracy of the simulation if you don't do a real explosion? What are you comparing the simulation to?
      2. -1
        February 21 2023
        Everyone is modeling now. And Russia including. Nuclear testing is not needed.
        1. -1
          February 22 2023
          You are confusing cause with effect. Everyone is simulating just because testing is prohibited. The model is fine at the development stage. But any model is a simplification, and it is possible to make sure that these simplifications do not distort reality only by experience.
    4. +3
      February 21 2023
      Quote: SKVichyakow
      When our gas pipelines were blown up, we didn't blow them up.
      There is a saying: "Famous scouts become famous."
    5. old
      0
      February 21 2023
      When our gas pipelines were blown up, we didn't blow them up.

      As soon as someone coughed at us about the answer, and in Holland already half the country has dirty panties)
    6. +1
      February 21 2023
      what is the meaning of this explosion?

      At a minimum, test warheads that were produced decades ago for performance. But why do this "following" the United States, I do not understand. This is again some kind of reactive strategy. Well, they suspended the contract due to objective needs, well, take advantage of this.
      1. -1
        February 21 2023
        And you won't understand. Everything is tested and launched both here and in the USA. It's generally a workflow. It's just that the news was almost incorrectly "brought" to you
    7. +1
      February 21 2023
      In fact, the purpose of any test is to develop and test new solutions. Of course, there are also political tasks, but it is quite difficult to improve equipment without testing. And new solutions - this may be a different, higher efficiency of warheads.
      1. -1
        February 21 2023
        Usually in the Strategic Missile Forces, testing is a test of the performance of old solutions.
  6. +4
    February 21 2023
    This is a bomb. And that the nuclear lighter carrier "Sevmorput" drove to Novaya Zemlya in the fall. Everything was destroyed at the training ground, it needs to be restored.
  7. +5
    February 21 2023
    Putin mentioned France and England. But about China and the DPRK, something is silent, but there is also Israel. God knows how much they have there. So this agreement has long been only on paper.
    1. +8
      February 21 2023
      Quote: spirit
      Putin mentioned France and England. But about China and North Korea, something is silent, but there is also Israel.

      The Chinese nuclear region is just located near our border. Nuclear missiles are not placed near the enemy's borders.
      North Korea and Israel have some kind of ambition in relation to the Russian Federation. Never heard of it, maybe I missed something?
      1. +2
        February 21 2023
        "The Chinese nuclear region is just near our border" ///
        ---
        The Chinese were smart.
        They covered the territory of Russia from a US nuclear strike from the east.
        But the Americans are going to bang this area from the southeast with nuclear submarines. Without hitting Russia.
    2. -2
      February 21 2023
      It's wrong to talk about Israel. They don't have nuclear weapons. And maybe there is. And this is a very reasonable policy on the part of Israel.
    3. +2
      February 21 2023
      China has not been very lucky with uranium reserves on its territory. They are not very big. For them, riveting several hundred charges is a problem, the DPRK has even less opportunity.
      1. +6
        February 21 2023
        China has not been very lucky with uranium reserves on its territory.

        Well, it’s not for nothing that they are quietly developing half of Africa, and there are the largest deposits of uranium. How much ore they brought there and take out the devil knows
      2. +3
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Herman 4223
        China has not been very lucky with uranium reserves on its territory.

        They do not hide their interest in Kazakhstan, where there is a lot of uranium. And at the moment, the influence of China in Kazakhstan is already higher than the influence of Russia.
      3. +1
        February 21 2023
        China has reserves of money. They buy uranium in Kazakhstan. For the Chinese, the issue of uranium is not an issue. KZ nearby.
    4. 0
      February 21 2023
      Quote: spirit
      Putin mentioned France and England. But about China and the DPRK, something is silent, but there is also Israel. God knows how much they have there. So this agreement has long been only on paper.

      Also India and Pakistan.
      Maybe because they are not part of the NATO bloc?
  8. +2
    February 21 2023
    this is just one good news, but otherwise blah blah blah like all the years
    1. -4
      February 21 2023
      And even then it’s not very good, if ours are afraid of the stocks of nuclear weapons from France and England and demand a reassessment, then the United States is even more afraid of the stocks of the PRC and wants this reassessment even more strongly. In general, it is more beneficial for the USA
      1. 0
        February 21 2023
        Ours can increase the number of warheads and carriers after leaving the New START. Amers have problems with increasing warheads. China is also increasing. In the direction of the Britons, they simply nodded
        1. 0
          February 21 2023
          Amers have problems with increasing warheads

          let's be honest, the amers don't have any problems at all ... it's them who create problems for the whole planet (they export problems to the whole world along with the dollar, if figuratively)
          1. 0
            February 21 2023
            I just read somewhere that they have problems with enriching ore to weapons. True, after reducing the charges, they did not dispose of everything. Since only we have processing plants.
            It seems that they can get something from the graves. And at the moment they seem to be unable to enrich
  9. +12
    February 21 2023
    The USSR lost the war to America without firing a single nuclear shot at its enemies. And all because while the military was on duty at their posts of nuclear mines, the enemy penetrated into the country and destroyed it by betrayal. Where do people get such hope that things will be different now? The plan of the West is clear as day, turmoil, coup, revolution and collapse! And again, no nuclear sledgehammers will save us.
    1. -4
      February 21 2023
      I want to ask you at all listened to the GDP?
      1. +11
        February 21 2023
        What's the point?? Haven't you heard enough in 22 years? He talks a lot and sometimes even beautifully, but what's the point of this chatter?
        1. man
          +10
          February 21 2023
          What's the point?? Haven't you heard enough in 22 years? He talks a lot and sometimes even beautifully, but what's the point of this chatter?
          He broke his word so many times that you no longer believe him ...
        2. -1
          February 21 2023
          Quote: paul3390
          what's the point of this chatter?



          at the moment, Russia under Putin has grown huge, by European standards, territories.
          Or maybe remind you when was the last time and under whom the USSR grew in territories? .It was already under Comrade Stalin.
          Russia under Putin has gone from a food importer to a food exporter around the world.
          Russia simply began to provide itself with all basic food products, unlike the USSR.

          And finally, in new weapons, Russia managed to get ahead and this is something that the USSR could not do in its entire history, which always acted as a catching up with the West.
          1. +3
            February 21 2023
            Quote: lopvlad
            at the moment, Russia under Putin has grown huge, by European standards, territories.

            Historically beloved by the man whom Putin annually brings flowers to the grave. And in the government of which people from the Yeltsin team still rule. Do you want to remember about "gifts" to China and Norway?
            Quote: lopvlad
            Russia under Putin has gone from a food importer to a food exporter around the world.

            Grains? We import milk, seed and breeding fund for more than half of imports. Lived to the point that more than 70% of potato seeds are imported.
            Quote: lopvlad
            Russia simply began to provide itself with all basic food products, unlike the USSR.

            Palm oil? Legs, for which eggs are 90% imported? Pork, which without imported chemicals is not profitable at all? Matviyenko, at the report of the Deputy Minister of Agriculture, was horrified that parsley seeds are 100% imported.
            Quote: lopvlad
            And finally, in new weapons, Russia managed to get ahead and this is something that the USSR could not do in its entire history, which always acted as a catching up with the West.

            That latna? belay Did Prokopenko say on RenTV? wink
            1. 0
              February 21 2023
              There were no gifts to China or Norway. Of course, I understand how it looks, but only last year I found out what was the benefit of such a decision, but I completely forgot request
              By products. I live in the middle part of Russia. We have practically no food imports left. In addition to fruits, berries, and powdered milk, palm oil, soy. Except for imports from Belarus - mainly cheeses, butter, potatoes. Vegetables and most of the root crops are also local. Well, excuse me - no one counted. As long as production increases. Well, this is only in recent years such a trend with import substitution.
              Today, by the way Volgabas saw. Decent bus
              1. 0
                February 22 2023
                Quote: igorbrsv
                There were no gifts to China or Norway.

                Oh, they just leveled the borders, right? wink
                Quote: igorbrsv
                We have practically no food imports left. In addition to fruits, berries, and powdered milk, palm oil, soy

                The dependence on the seed fund of vegetables is on average 70%.
                Quote: igorbrsv
                As long as production increases.

                Fresh legend, but hard to believe. Kamaz has reduced production. And the Chinese filled 70% of the truck market after Western companies left Russia.
                How many do not say the word HALVA. won't be sweeter in the mouth. Although some people have a good imagination, so much so that they can even taste it! lol
          2. +1
            February 21 2023
            Dear man, do not confuse adjika with tomato juice! Under the USSR, fish was not transferred to the port city of Murmansk, but it cost less than chicken. Today the fish in Murmansk is gold, more expensive than in the capital city. Never in Murmansk under the USSR was there imported milk and dairy products, eggs and chicken. Everything was provided by state farms in the region! Thanks to the local, dead borka, rotten Gosha and the current government for Sinyavinsky eggs at a price of 8-10 rubles apiece, for Kursk milk and Vologda sour cream, for cod, which is more expensive than pork! Thanks for the imported potatoes and Azerbaijani tomatoes at 300 rubles per kilo, thanks for the domestic shoes from! Turkish and Chinese raw materials, for the lack of domestic textiles ... Thank you.
          3. +3
            February 21 2023
            And finally, in new weapons, Russia managed to get ahead and this is what the USSR could not do in its entire history.

            Did Putin tell you about "new weapons"? Oh well. Believe that without economy and industry, you can create a "wunderwaffle". Here the USSR, by 1980, without "wunderwaffles" really created a real parity. Yes, such that the Americans for the first time felt uneasy. But then, in addition to the population of the entire USSR, there were also CMEA and the Warsaw Pact.
            1. +2
              February 21 2023
              spoke about "new weapons"

              Especially if you remember that all this is still Soviet projects, slightly tweaked to fit the current base. And - mostly imported .. And if it weren’t for the bastard labeled with Judas Yeltsin, all these weapons would have been in service for 20 years already .. And what would the USSR come up with new - I’m even afraid to imagine ..
          4. +2
            February 21 2023
            all basic food products, unlike the USSR.

            Something I don’t remember that in the USSR after the war - someone was dying of hunger .. what
    2. +21
      February 21 2023
      USSR lost the war to America

      We did not lose the war to America. We - lost to her own type of elite .. Which sold us in exchange for Western nishtyaki. And - continues to sell.
      1. +3
        February 21 2023
        Quote: paul3390
        We - lost to her own type of elite .. Which sold us in exchange for Western nishtyaki. And - continues to sell.
        But wasn't the communists then the elite?
        1. +6
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Dart2027
          Were they the elite back then? not communists?

          Not communistsbut traitors to the Communist Party. Can a communist Yeltsin be considered a communist? And the communist Chubais?? Tell him this, Chubais would be offended in earnest! Yes, and Putin, being baptized in the church of God, has long forgotten about the oath of allegiance to the precepts of Communism.
          1. 0
            February 21 2023
            And where were the communists at that time? And when were they removed from power?
          2. 0
            February 21 2023
            Quote: Stas157
            Not communists, but traitors to the Communist Party. Can a communist Yeltsin be considered a communist? And the communist Chubais??


            Quote: Plover
            And where were the communists at that time?
        2. +4
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Dart2027
          But wasn't the communists then the elite?

          let's be honest we weren't communist


          and member of the CPSU


          not the same
        3. +6
          February 21 2023
          then the communists were not the elite

          No. These were members of the CPSU. A party card does not yet make a person a communist, only his deeds.

          For example - I hope you do not consider a character who wears a cross and regularly unfastens the church, but at the same time constantly violates every single commandment - a Christian? It's the same with communists.
          1. +1
            February 21 2023
            What was wrong in the CPSU system that there were no communists left in power?
            1. +1
              February 21 2023
              This is a very difficult question, the answer to which is by no means short .. But in short ..

              The Communist Party was never intended by Lenin to directly rule the country. The communists were supposed to be engaged exclusively in educating the people and promoting their ideas to the masses .. But after the revolution, it turned out that the specialists devoted to the new government could be counted on the fingers. And involuntarily - it was the members of the party that had to be put in responsible posts. At least for control. After all, the Soviets imply the presence of a literate and responsible population, remember Ilyich's immortal passage about the cook? And HOW to give power to an illiterate ignorant people? They will rule you .. So - first you need to create Soviet people, and only then - the same Soviets ..

              And by about the 40th year - this task was completed! There is a lot of evidence that Comrade Stalin was just about to pull this off, finally establishing genuine Soviet power. But - the war began .. In which we lost 4 million communists, not counting the pro-Soviet non-party people. Here are those who were supposed to accept people's power. But since they were sincere and convinced of the rightness of socialism, they considered it their direct duty to be the first to get up from the trenches. And everyone went to bed..

              Thus, the Soviet Union lost the Patriotic War, while winning the Second World War.

              The party, whose dictate during the war was obligatory for obvious reasons, was rapidly falling under the power of the nomenklatura, which there was no one to stop .. And the cadres died, and Iosif Vissarionovich was already quite old .. He tried to give his last battle at the XIX Congress - and lost it .. How sad ..

              But what happened next - we all know very well ..
              1. -1
                February 21 2023
                In my opinion, the situation looks a little different. The Soviets lost their value and ceased to carry any meaning back in the days of war communism (remember paragraph 1 in the resolution of the Kronstadt uprising in 1921?). The tragedy of the attempt to build a Soviet state is that, being called Soviet, in fact it was a party state. Which, with the absence of any different opinion groups within the party, led first to stagnation and then to collapse. Deng Xiaoping understood this in time - now there is more democracy inside the CCP than in the Russian electoral system.
                1. +3
                  February 21 2023
                  Once again I repeat my point of view - the Soviets mean a literate population with an education that allows you to steer the country !! And you say - in the 20th year .. Well, what then could the Soviets be - who do you propose to staff them with? First you need to make people out of the population, and only then give power ..

                  Well, just imagine - now the Bolsheviks have returned and announced the Soviets. Who do you think will get there first? Yes, the same bastard as now! And by the same methods. So what is the point of this event?

                  The Bolsheviks at first tried to organize Soviets in the countryside - and were horrified to find that there were only kulaks there .. With all the consequences. However - it could not be otherwise .. So - I had to go a long way ..
                  1. -1
                    February 22 2023
                    Why, then, did the Bolsheviks participate in the soviets even before November 1917? Or do you think that only the Bolsheviks did the advice? This is absolutely not true.
              2. 0
                February 21 2023
                Quote: paul3390
                In which we lost 4 million communists, not counting pro-Soviet non-party people. Here are those who were supposed to accept people's power. But since they were sincere and convinced of the rightness of socialism, they considered it their direct duty to be the first to get up from the trenches. And everyone went to bed..

                to the point, we repeated the tragedy of France of the First World
            2. -1
              February 21 2023
              Quote: Plover
              What was wrong in the CPSU system that there were no communists left in power?

              Ask Khrushchev who made the members of the Central Committee irremovable and untouchable. From him came degeneration.
            3. -1
              February 21 2023
              Quote: Plover
              it was not so in the CPSU system

              this is not only a system, two things very strongly influenced this: the War and the XNUMXth Congress, the first one knocked out a huge number of ideological Communists and Komsomol members, they were replaced by the workers of the Tashkent "front", well, the maize frills hit the basics hard
        4. +1
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: paul3390
          We - lost to her own type of elite .. Which sold us in exchange for Western nishtyaki. And - continues to sell.
          But wasn't the communists then the elite?

          Having a party card in your pocket does not mean that
          its owner automatically becomes a communist.
    3. +12
      February 21 2023
      Quote: Soul of Russia87
      The USSR lost the war to America without firing a single nuclear shot at its enemies.

      it’s funny when those who were 91 years old in 4 talk about this topic
      1. -2
        February 21 2023
        it’s funny when those who were 91 years old in 4 talk about this topic

        you are, but someone is sad when people who grew up under "developed socialism" did nothing to save the USSR in the 80s and 90s, and today they live epics about the "holy USSR" ...
        1. -1
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Vladimir80
          people who grew up under "developed socialism" did nothing to save the USSR
          I already wrote more than once about this stupidity
          the majority did not understand what happened at all, but presented everything not as the collapse of the state, but as a change of "sign" and it still lasted almost three years, when people understood the train had long since left
          1. -3
            February 21 2023
            most did not understand what happened

            strange, but I remember how at first there were new slogans on the posters, then the searchlight for perestroika after the time program, then jokes about general secretaries and queues to the store on the streets, hope for Yeltsin and dreams that everything will be better soon, talk about freedom ... about communism , no one remembered the precepts of Ilyich or the capital of Marx ...
            1. -1
              February 21 2023
              Quote: Vladimir80
              and I remember how there were first new slogans on the posters

              do not change one topic for another
              p.s. how old were you then?
        2. +1
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Vladimir80
          people who grew up under "developed socialism" did nothing to save the USSR in the 80s and 90s, and today they live by epics about "saint of the USSR"

          So the USSR really turned out to be a saint compared to the current capitalist "paradise"!

          And what could an ordinary person do to save the USSR? There was a vote - voted. The whole country learned on TV that the USSR is no more... And tomorrow you have to go to work. Typical day. Everyone thought the CIS would be the same USSR!
        3. 0
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Vladimir80
          it’s funny when those who were 91 years old in 4 talk about this topic

          you are, but someone is sad when people who grew up under "developed socialism" did nothing to save the USSR in the 80s and 90s, and today they live epics about the "holy USSR" ...

          All revolutions take place in the capitals. The people of the USSR did what they could, voted for the preservation of the USSR.
          What could my father do, who joined the party at the front in the battles near Rzhev, who was over seventy in 91 and lived in a small town in the Tula region.?
          Take a stick and go to Moscow, knock on the head Gorby and Yeltsin?
          And Muscovites and Leningraders took and supported Yeltsin.
          Not provincials yelled at rallies of thousands - Yeltsin, Yeltsin.
      2. -1
        February 21 2023
        well, you know, it’s possible to come to an agreement like this: “it’s funny when those who didn’t live at that time talk about the Bolshevik coup of 1917.” All this is history and not age, but competence in the matter determines whether it is funny or not.
        1. 0
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Plover
          "it's funny when those who did not live at that time talk about the Bolshevik coup of 1917"

          There is still a difference. Those who lived under the tsar, under the old regime, did not remain at all. And there are quite a lot of people who breathed the air of socialism and from their own experience what really happened there. Ignoring this is just stupid!

          And what is typical. Most witnesses believe that life there was better and certainly fairer. A stubborn fact to be reckoned with.
          1. 0
            February 21 2023
            Those who lived under the tsar, under the old regime, did not remain at all

            Well, I breathed a little and it wasn't great. My parents weren't very good. But the wife's parents - very much.
            Most witnesses believe that life was better there

            Compared to what? with the 90s? But then again, there was a time when there were people alive who breathed the air of the Empire and imagined from their own experience what really happened there.
            You are trying to pass off some particulars and personal opinions as an objective fact. But this fact will melt into history (more precisely, it is already melting, because in order to "feel" the socialism of the USSR, one had to be an adult at least in the early 80s, before Gorbachev. And this means that such individuals are now over 60) . So your statement is ridiculous.
  10. +8
    February 21 2023
    It is high time to withdraw from START. Looking forward to leaving the WTO
    1. 0
      February 21 2023
      from the WTO it is impossible: "partners will not understand, we will find ourselves in isolation, enemies will not wait!" wink
    2. 0
      February 21 2023
      Suspend is not the same as quit."""
  11. +4
    February 21 2023
    I have decided to suspend our membership in the START treaty
    waiting for next steps, WTO...
    1. 0
      February 21 2023
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      I have decided to suspend our membership in the START treaty
      waiting for next steps, WTO...

      As soon as the FCS stops giving 60% of the budget, and the Federal Tax Service starts giving 90% - then yes ..
      And earlier it was pointless, we’ll just lose part of the budget and that’s it ....
      1. +8
        February 21 2023
        Quote: your1970
        As soon as the FCS stops giving 60% of the budget

        what does the FCS have to do with it, we had exporters as the main lobbyists of the WTO, but the problem is that when it is beneficial for the West to spit on all the norms, they impose protective duties and this was before the WTO, the Europeans do not like Russian plywood, they say that this is dumping and they introduce a duty, so in absolutely everything, that is, the country has not achieved its tasks (equal opportunities) by joining the WTO, but exports have been and will remain
        1. 0
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          what does the FCS have to do with it, exporters were the main WTO lobbyists,
          - the relationship is direct - the Federal Customs Service fills the budget at the expense of exporters in the bulk.
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          they introduce protective duties and it was still before the WTO,
          - you all correctly noticed - before!
          Once joined the WTO and exporters, including steel/aluminum, have started litigation due to protective duties and win Arbitration courts and receive compensation - the budget began to replenish better.
          Yes, this was not particularly voiced by the media, but there were a lot of such decisions.
          Therefore, yes - despite the sanctions - it is too early for us to leave the WTO.
          Moreover, the budget for January is a little lame. Including due to fall export.
          I repeat - when
          Quote: your1970
          The Federal Tax Service will start giving 90% - then yes ..

          at the moment, the Federal Tax Service provides about 20% of all
          1. +1
            February 21 2023
            Quote: your1970
            - the relationship is direct - the Federal Customs Service fills the budget at the expense of exporters in the bulk.

            export was before, is now, will be after
            Quote: your1970
            - you all correctly noticed - before!
            As soon as exporters entered the WTO, including steel / aluminum ones, they began to sue because of protective duties and win Arbitration courts and receive compensation - the budget began to replenish better.

            well, firstly, not to win much, secondly, the domestic market has lost more
    2. 0
      February 21 2023
      It turns out that not everything is so simple. We must take off. The United States is returning to school desks, and we are returning to the basements of the bomb shelter.
  12. +19
    February 21 2023
    And rightly so .. we must withdraw from all agreements with the West .. absolutely from all. And start with a clean slate .. contracts where ours are taken into account, and only our interests are concluded.
    1. +1
      February 21 2023
      Why did you decide that they will be concluded, and having concluded, they will be observed?
  13. +6
    February 21 2023
    We are getting closer and closer to the nuclear apocalypse .... we are walking purely along Glukhovsky recourse
    1. +5
      February 21 2023
      Quote: Commissioner_Wolf
      We are getting closer and closer to the nuclear apocalypse
      your suggestions?
      after some statements made in Munich, such an end is better than the role of a slave
      1. +3
        February 21 2023
        "and then the living will envy the dead" ... (c)
    2. -7
      February 21 2023
      purely on Glukhovsky go

      Glukhovsky is an enemy, his novels are liberal nonsense...
      1. -3
        February 23 2023
        Liberal Democracy is when the people decide their own destiny, and not a bunch of oligarchs who, using patriotic slogans, rob the country
  14. +5
    February 21 2023
    No less important is the practical implementation of the renunciation of the INF Treaty in terms of the speedy development and launch of ground-based short- and medium-range missiles into a series. Amers have been working on this topic for a long time.
    1. -1
      February 21 2023
      Here with both hands for. Finally, we will be able to launch calibers from land-based installations and drive the fleet into the sea.
    2. +1
      February 21 2023
      Quote: Xenofont
      No less important is the practical implementation of the renunciation of the INF Treaty in terms of the speedy development and launch of ground-based short- and medium-range missiles into a series. Amers have been working on this topic for a long time.

      In fact, the Americans have already left the INF Treaty.
      It is not clear why we continue to observe it.
  15. -10
    February 21 2023
    Withdrawal from the START treaty seems premature. As a "scarecrow" in Ukraine, this will not work, and there is neither mind nor strength for the new concept of strategic nuclear forces.
    1. -1
      February 21 2023
      it may very well be that this is just an attempt to bargain before the inevitable ... if you really withdraw from the contracts, then this can be done without announcing it to "loyal fans" ...
      1. -1
        February 21 2023
        Judging by the fact that this is clearly the "nail" of the speech, this is an element of bargaining. Raise the stakes, so to speak. Unfortunately, all the previously passed red lines blur the picture very much.
  16. +8
    February 21 2023
    It was high time to get out of all the treaties imposed on us. Absolutely correct decision.
    1. +1
      February 21 2023
      All agreements since 1985 are a tragic mistake, if not a crime.
  17. -3
    February 21 2023
    The essence of the performance is like that of Khil in the song.
    Water-water. Around the water.
    Water-water. Shu-mit water...
  18. +5
    February 21 2023
    Putin proposed to consider the issue of returning to the traditional basic system of higher education
    Well, it’s just some kind of holiday of the soul, maybe the USE will also be canceled?
    1. 0
      February 21 2023
      So ege seems to be cancelled. And to return the school curriculum back to the general, and not to decide in places
      1. +1
        February 21 2023
        Quote: igorbrsv
        So ege seems to be cancelled.

        I haven't heard this yet
        1. -1
          February 21 2023
          I haven't heard this yet

          and you won’t hear, at the top there is a new fashion to “call”, and the ministers and other officials will decide - who are still oriented to the West
  19. +7
    February 21 2023
    Quote from cold wind
    In general, for the United States is extremely positive news.

    You are mistaken ... for the United States this is very bad news ... for Russia there will be no restrictions on the production of means for delivering nuclear weapons to the United States, which the Pentagon will not like very much. smile
    Poseidons, Vanguards, Petrels... besides other powerful weapons... what a nice bouquet of gifts will fall on the heads of the hawks of war in the USA... you won't find it.
    1. -3
      February 21 2023
      I heard a batch of Poseidons is uploaded to the apl. To know which coast they are now on duty
    2. -1
      February 21 2023
      And then Alaverdi will be the same: the United States will not have restrictions on the air and sea components of nuclear weapons. There will be no restrictions on where they bombers can be kept. Those "100 bases" that Putin spoke about will be occupied. And if now we know what, and most importantly, where it can fly from, then without START this information will not be available. This means that it is impossible to form a doctrine based on a counter strike. Now imagine that everyone in the doctrines will have the logic of the first disarming strike. Any misunderstanding and everyone will fly.
  20. +2
    February 21 2023
    Nice and correct move. There will be no unilateral concessions.
    1. +6
      February 21 2023
      We bet they will? This is a banal beginning of bargaining, it’s just that Westerners have not yet announced their price ..
      1. +4
        February 21 2023
        Quote: paul3390
        We bet they will? This is a banal beginning of bargaining, it’s just that Westerners have not yet announced their price ..

        From time immemorial, everyone has always traded. What is wrong again?
        1. +1
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Terenin
          Quote: paul3390
          We bet they will? This is a banal beginning of bargaining, it’s just that Westerners have not yet announced their price ..

          From time immemorial, everyone has always traded. What is wrong again?

          Exactly. Bargaining precedes agreement.
        2. -2
          February 21 2023
          Quote: Terenin
          From time immemorial, everyone has always traded. What is wrong again?

          Have you tried to bargain with gopota in the gateway? wink
          1. 0
            February 21 2023
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Terenin
            From time immemorial, everyone has always traded. What is wrong again?

            Have you tried to bargain with gopota in the gateway? wink

            Yes, they traded all their youth. You do not know how such auctions happen with gopota?
            And I grew up in the yard and everything was.
            1. 0
              February 21 2023
              Bargaining alone with a gop company leads to deliberate concessions to a loner.
      2. +2
        February 21 2023
        If bargaining is supposed, then this is no longer a unilateral concession
      3. 0
        February 21 2023
        Quote: paul3390
        We bet they will? This is a banal beginning of bargaining, it’s just that Westerners have not yet announced their price ..

        And how are we going to argue if we are both here under anonymous nicknames?
  21. 0
    February 21 2023
    finally))) let Oka Supreme back all of Europe is obsessed
    1. -2
      February 21 2023
      Quote from Mazunga
      finally))) let Oka Supreme back all of Europe is obsessed

      And BZHRK. Teddy bear, cut everything.
      1. 0
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Quote from Mazunga
        finally))) let Oka Supreme back all of Europe is obsessed

        And BZHRK. Teddy bear, cut everything.

        It's funny, someone was offended by Gorby. Is there still such a naive? lol
  22. +5
    February 21 2023
    That's the right decision. To destroy the NATO bloc, you need a lot of vigorous loaves. You can't limit yourself.
  23. -3
    February 21 2023
    Let's get up
    While we are still alive with you and the truth is behind us

    Let's get up
    As long as the Lord is with us and the truth is with us
  24. -12
    February 21 2023
    now it is possible to use tactical nuclear weapons on bridges on the Dnieper without consequences
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    1. +2
      February 21 2023
      What exactly can you say?
    2. -1
      February 21 2023
      Never in Russia in all its long history has life been so calm as under dear Leonid Ilyich!

      And the USSR, as a power of high dignity and world authority, was so powerful that the chancellors of the Federal Republic of Germany slept in Bonn with their eyes wide open and no one in the West could even in his thoughts allow himself such expressions in the address of the USSR, which today are addressed to the Russian Federation
      1. +1
        February 21 2023
        Quote from DefenderofTruth
        Never in Russia in all its long history has life been so calm as under dear Leonid Ilyich!

        Yeah ... and how well it began to heal under Mikhal Sergeyevich and Boris Nikolaevich ... just happiness came. what
        1. -4
          February 21 2023
          Don't confuse sour with sweet. All this trash - Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Yakovlev was pulled into the light by Andropov with his idiotic idea of ​​​​"the convergence of the USSR into the Western community"
          I forgot, apparently the classics:
          They agreed. Wave and stone,
          Poems and prose, ice and flame
          1. +4
            February 21 2023
            So start with the rubbish...
            And Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, a front-line soldier, saw Hitler’s soldiers live and did not be afraid ... he personally was not smeared in shit ... and I can’t say anything bad about him ... but his entourage ... Shchelokov and some other gray yes, the cardinals ... there is nowhere to put samples on them because of the shit that has stuck around them.
            1. +2
              February 21 2023
              The tragedy and mistake of Brezhnev is that he did not leave on time and did not prepare a replacement for himself. That he did not pay attention to age and allowed gerontocracy.
      2. -1
        February 21 2023
        There, over the hill, don’t go to the grandmother, they heard everything and correctly, by the evening the squeak-squeal will begin.
        1. +1
          February 21 2023
          the charges themselves cost nothing, it is not necessary to build up expensive carriers, the same iskanders and calibers can be installed
        2. -1
          February 21 2023
          Quote from uprun
          There, over the hill, don’t go to the grandmother, they heard everything and correctly, by the evening the squeak-squeal will begin.

          Already started.
    3. +3
      February 21 2023
      Have you looked at the message? Did you hear the applause? Yes, they were afraid to fart. The silence of the grave
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  27. +9
    February 21 2023
    And that's all. I noticed the gloomy faces of the invited participants in my .. They were clearly waiting for another
    1. -4
      February 21 2023
      The Supreme very clearly explained to them what their dangerous illusions are worth.
    2. +1
      February 21 2023
      Quote: Alexey Alekseev_5
      And that's all. I noticed the gloomy faces of the invited participants in my .. They were clearly waiting for another

      That's for sure ... the people have become gloomy ... it seems that the GDP did not fall into the stream of expectations of many people.
      1. -9
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Quote: Alexey Alekseev_5
        And that's all. I noticed the gloomy faces of the invited participants in my .. They were clearly waiting for another

        That's for sure ... the people have become gloomy ... it seems that the GDP did not fall into the stream of expectations of many people.

        GDP did not fall into the stream of expectations of many people exclusively sitting in this hall, but outside the hall from Moscow to the outskirts, from the southern mountains to the northern seas, it really hit.
        1. -1
          February 21 2023
          Most will not agree with you. This was not what was expected of him.
      2. 0
        February 21 2023
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        That's for sure ... the people have become gloomy ... it seems that the GDP did not fall into the stream of expectations of many people.

        But he did not go beyond the expectations of people who flew to Kyiv yesterday! laughing
    3. -1
      February 21 2023
      I didn't notice it. On the contrary, proposals to suspend participation in START, to create a fund to support members of the NWO, and to actively promote members of the NWO to leadership positions both in the army and in civilian life, were met with enthusiasm.
      1. +6
        February 21 2023
        welcomed the proposals with enthusiasm.


        Only Medvedev fell asleep again right in the middle of Putin's speech.
        1. +1
          February 21 2023
          Quote from: dump22
          welcomed the proposals with enthusiasm.


          Only Medvedev fell asleep again right in the middle of Putin's speech.

          Citizens! Well, let the man sleep! (feature film "12 chairs") laughing
          1. 0
            February 21 2023
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            Citizens! Well, let the man sleep!
            He is not sleeping! He's all turned into a rumor smile
  28. +4
    February 21 2023
    It would be better to suspend the supply of raw materials and dough to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  29. +3
    February 21 2023
    Another red line on the topic, "if they are, then we will answer wow !!!" . And in fact, the recognition that we were not allowed anywhere anyway.
  30. -3
    February 21 2023
    The first thing to do is to screw the warheads onto all available carriers
  31. +2
    February 21 2023
    Message from President Putin

    Watched and listened in full.
    I'll try to convey my impression:
    1. Leadership is excellent. Cheerful, energetic, honest.
    2. The fundamental social issue of pseudo-elites - you can earn money in Russia, you don't need to take it out of Russia. Invest in your country.
    I believe that it is from this moment that a real amnesty begins following the results of the privatization of the USSR.
    3. There will be no Armageddon.
    4. Ukrainians are not enemies, but victims.
    5. The course for development.
    6. Putin announced a plan to build a sustainable peacetime economy.
    7. The course towards getting rid of the position of a raw material appendage of the world economy.
    8. Maximum support for a limited military operation in Ukraine.
    9. No compromises with the Nazis.
    10. Suspension of participation in the strategic offensive arms treaty.
    11. Support for the newly entered regions of Novorossiya.
    12. Development of technologies, social sphere, education and medicine.


    I believe that this program is correct. We'll see what we can do with it.
    1. +2
      February 21 2023
      Withdrawal from the START treaty is temporary... what this is already annoying ... again the question is hanging in the air ... tomorrow the GDP will say we will come back.
      Quote from Kuziming
      Putin announced a plan to build a sustainable peacetime economy.
      7. The course towards getting rid of the position of a raw material appendage of the world economy.
      8. Maximum support for a limited military operation in Ukraine.
      9. No compromises with the Nazis.

      Great Wishes...
      Let's wait and see what happens next.
      After all, there was Istanbul, there was a grain deal ... so I would beware of excessive optimism.
      1. 0
        February 21 2023
        But now, the grain deal is also suspended. And not yet returned
        1. -4
          February 21 2023
          . the grain deal is also suspended. And not yet returned
          perhaps, but it seemed to me that we were deceived, but we "generously" did not pay attention to this, as we realized that Odessa is too tough and we have nothing to do in the sea ...
        2. 0
          February 21 2023
          Quote: igorbrsv
          But now, the grain deal is also suspended. And not yet returned

          We got out of it. And the ships with grain both came from Ukraine and go.
    2. +4
      February 21 2023
      I believe that this program is correct.


      So when was he different?
      An amazing person.
      Not a single (even minor) mistake in 23 years in power.
      Continuous movement only from victory to victory.

      And over the years, his leadership qualities only get better and better. He thinks even sharper, his ideas amaze the imagination with novelty, and the choice of people is amazingly accurate. I can't even imagine what he will grow up to in 10 years.

      And our partners have against him either the senile Bidon or the sucker Micron ...
      1. 0
        February 21 2023
        You won't be nice to everyone. And one more saying comes to mind: "Lenin stood up, spread his arms ...."
    3. +1
      February 21 2023
      Quote from Kuziming
      Message from President Putin

      Watched and listened in full.
      I'll try to convey my impression:
      1. Leadership is excellent. Cheerful, energetic, honest.
      2. The fundamental social issue of pseudo-elites - you can earn money in Russia, you don't need to take it out of Russia. Invest in your country.
      I believe that it is from this moment that a real amnesty begins following the results of the privatization of the USSR.

      ____________________
      But I do not agree with this. If the privatization was carried out according to the law, then yes. Audit, and if privatized for nothing, then pay extra and live in peace.
      But the fact is that even then a lot was privatized in violation of the law.
      Here the seizure by the court and the state decides further.
      Sell ​​or transfer to public ownership.
      Otherwise, this thorn of injustice will continue to hurt.
    4. 0
      February 21 2023
      Quote from Kuziming
      4. Ukrainians are not enemies, but victims.

      Ukrainians do not want to ask?
      Quote from Kuziming
      . Putin announced a plan to build a sustainable peacetime economy.

      And today is peacetime?
      Quote from Kuziming
      No compromises with the Nazis.

      Have the Azovites already been exchanged?
      Quote from Kuziming
      2. Development of technologies, social sphere, education and medicine.

      All these years they have been cutting beds and the Healthcare budget. Even during Covid.
      Quote from Kuziming
      I believe that this program is correct.

      Was it wrong in previous years? Have you fulfilled the May decrees? wink
  32. 0
    February 21 2023
    Uh ...
    But is "Britain and France, and these arsenals" growing? being tested?
    At most - they change to new missiles, like ours - from the indestructible "Satan" to even more indestructible Iskandkras, Maces, etc.

    And what is the suspension? What will new charges and missiles urgently begin to do?

    IMHO, an incomprehensible excuse.
    they wrote earlier that only China and Korea contribute the factor of unpredictability ....
    1. +3
      February 21 2023
      But is "Britain and France, and these arsenals" growing?


      The British have already increased their nuclear arsenal in 2021 - the number of nuclear warheads from 180 to 260 pieces. The French are not yet.
      1. +2
        February 21 2023
        The British had 520 warheads. Then they reduced their number. About 260 is so far only in their plans, which it is not known whether they will be implemented. In reality, they have 160 in combat readiness.
    2. 0
      February 21 2023
      Quote: Max1995
      Uh ...
      But is "Britain and France, and these arsenals" growing? being tested?
      At most - they change to new missiles, like ours - from the indestructible "Satan" to even more indestructible Iskandkras, Maces, etc.

      And what is the suspension? What will new charges and missiles urgently begin to do?

      IMHO, an incomprehensible excuse.
      they wrote earlier that only China and Korea contribute the factor of unpredictability ....

      And what difference does it make if their potentials grow or not.
      The question is that they have every right, unlike Russia and the United States, to freely and legally increase their potentials.
      And for us it is a threat. These countries are members of NATO, by the way. It's strange that you don't understand this.
  33. 0
    February 21 2023
    I'm probably wrong. But there is some premonition that in addition to the Address there will be a speech by the President on television on the occasion of the anniversary of the NWO.
  34. +2
    February 21 2023
    Perhaps the exit from START is also connected with the deployment of Poseidons, in theory, Russia should present them under an agreement during an inspection.
  35. -1
    February 21 2023
    Started a new nuclear arms race?
    Running back to the 60s, before the signing of the first START?
    Are we starting to accumulate bombers, submarines, mines, missiles and warheads again?

    Well, well, let's see where this takes us.
    1. +2
      February 21 2023
      Well, well, let's see where this takes us.


      Well, at least we will have a woman and a man, and not 52 sexes or people of similar individuals.
      1. +4
        February 21 2023
        Well, I don't think it's related at all.

        Our BRICS friends Brazil or South Africa have long been known for their total tolerance towards LGBT+.
        Brazilians over there approved homomarriages earlier than in France or in the USA.
        Yes, and our friends in Cuba recently also approved this in their constitution!

        But for example, our worst enemies from NATO, the Poles, are categorically against any such tolerance and bells and whistles are extreme traditionalists.
    2. 0
      February 21 2023
      And when the arms race ended with the advent of Gorbachev, NATO found itself on the border with Russia.
      So I think it's better to have an arms race than NATO soldiers in my house.
      1. +3
        February 21 2023
        And when the arms race ended with the advent of Gorbachev, NATO found itself on the border with Russia.


        Yes, that's right.
        Only Gorbachev then left power in 1991.
        And NATO expanded for the first time in 1999 (Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic), only 8 years later, already under the actual rule of Putin. Moreover, Putin once said that at that time even he himself asked to join NATO. So you didn't see anything wrong with that?
        1. 0
          February 21 2023
          . Moreover, Putin once said that at that time even he himself asked to join NATO. So you didn't see anything wrong with that?

          He even then said - "to ruin NATO, you need to join it" Yes
          After all, NATO was created against the USSR. And our entry into it... what
          In general, a refusal to accept us would be an unequivocal recognition
          1. +2
            February 21 2023
            He even then said - "to ruin NATO, you need to join it"


            So maybe Poland entered there in 1999 to destroy NATO? laughing

            In general, a refusal to accept us would be an unequivocal recognition


            And there was no formal refusal.
            There, the problem was that in order to join NATO, you must first collect the approval of ALL NATO members.
            Putin understood that we would most likely be voted out in this case and wanted to join under special conditions and with a special status.
            And he was told - no, only on general terms, by obtaining the approval of each NATO member at that time.

            And we would have to forgive the same Poles and Czechs who have already entered for approval.
            For example, now Finland and Sweden are asking Turkey for permission to join NATO. Which was completely unacceptable to us.
            1. +1
              February 21 2023
              . So maybe Poland entered there in 1999 to destroy NATO?

              Well, with the European Union, Poland had a ride laughing
              Already England was squeezed out by pressure
    3. 0
      February 21 2023
      the charges themselves cost nothing, it is not necessary to build up expensive carriers, the same iskanders and calibers can be installed
      1. -1
        February 21 2023
        iskanders and calibers have the ability to install


        The MOST IMPORTANT thing here is that, after all, the START Treaty did not in any way prevent us from installing nuclear warheads on them if we wanted to. The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty was already terminated by Trump in 2019!

        So our withdrawal from START today is precisely the beginning of the STRATEGIC nuclear arms race.
    4. +1
      February 21 2023
      Quote from: dump22
      Started a new nuclear arms race?
      Running back to the 60s, before the signing of the first START?
      Are we starting to accumulate bombers, submarines, mines, missiles and warheads again?

      Well, well, let's see where this takes us.

      But I understood differently. That the new version of the treaty should take into account the nuclear arsenals of other countries.
      The same England and France, which did not participate in the previous treaty, and the United States was against their participation in the treaty.
      This gave NATO a one-sided advantage.
      The right decision, before it was done.
      The treaty is not about a race, but about including other nuclear powers in it with the aim of deterrence and reduction.
      1. +5
        February 21 2023
        That the new version of the treaty should take into account the nuclear arsenals of other countries


        And when will he? And will there be at all?
        What makes you think that, for example, France or China will suddenly want to participate in a new treaty, why do they need it?
        1. -1
          February 21 2023
          Quote from: dump22
          That the new version of the treaty should take into account the nuclear arsenals of other countries


          And when will he? And will there be at all?
          What makes you think that, for example, France or China will suddenly want to participate in a new treaty, why do they need it?

          Why did you decide that I am Vanga and Nostradamus in one person, that you ask me such questions?
          It's like asking you if it will rain or not on July 5th, 2024.
          In order to negotiate, to resolve these issues. And what will be the results, this is for fortune-tellers.
          Or ask Xi Jinping if he agrees or not.
        2. 0
          February 21 2023
          Look at the root, comrade, China definitely does not need this.
  36. +7
    February 21 2023
    What is there to comment on? We are tightening our belts, the arms race is gaining momentum before our eyes.
    Strategic nuclear weapons pull everything else - tactical, anti-missile and everything else. Passed already :(((
    1. -4
      February 21 2023
      delay, this is not the first time ........................................
    2. -1
      February 21 2023
      And I didn't get fat. So I don't care. Tighten so tighten. Let them also darken in their eyes
      1. 0
        February 21 2023
        Who will darken in the eyes? While the fat one dries, the thin one dies!
        1. -1
          February 21 2023
          But for a beggar to gather - just gird himself
  37. -1
    February 21 2023
    Quote from: dump22
    welcomed the proposals with enthusiasm.


    Only Medvedev fell asleep again right in the middle of Putin's speech.

    yes entomu iPhone vaasche give a fuck .. nothing will happen to him.
    in principle, I don’t understand what he is called in the leadership of the country !!! What is its role? What tasks does he solve?
    Or is he just creating a party??? And the role .. his role is "nothing"?
    1. -1
      February 21 2023
      you still need to look for a good specialist in twitter and the "cart" ... I would put him in the place of the "mustache" ...
    2. 0
      February 21 2023
      what does he sound like in the leadership of the country !!! What is its role?


      Do you understand the role of the other characters in the photo? laughing
      For example, Matvienko is sitting there - and what is she doing useful? What tasks does she solve?

      Medvedev is just understandable - he honestly warmed the throne for 4 years and immediately resigned himself at the first hint. He is the only one from the whole party that has been tested by a real deed. Others cannot be trusted, I remember how they swore allegiance to Yeltsin ....
  38. 0
    February 21 2023
    Yes, POWER. A powerful independent move, and not a response to the moves of other countries!
  39. VB
    0
    February 21 2023
    Another comedy. But the arrival was the Minister of Foreign Affairs of China, this is paramount. Putin brought peace with banderlogs. how the Chinese see it. Putin's guide to action. We are waiting, as always, treason. And the suspension of START is just words. It was necessary to talk about something, threw a bone "dear". He did not say anything about the nationalization of industry, the transfer to a war footing, the arrest and punishment of Lukoil, Gazprom, the Central Bank, Chemezov, Ragozin, Lavrov, Shoigu with Gerasimov and below, the execution of those responsible for the absence of Wagner BC before formation, he said nothing. He did not leave the WTO and WHO. Low!!!
    1. -2
      February 21 2023
      I would give you ten pluses (seriously!), But the rules do not allow ...
    2. 0
      February 21 2023
      . Putin's guide to action. We are waiting, as always, treason.

      I would like to know more
      1. VB
        -2
        February 21 2023
        Please. For a basket of cookies and a barrel of jam, they will declare a truce for humanitarian reasons, after which they will announce the freezing of the conflict and diligently describe in the media how it is right and necessary. Do you remember Matvienko's speeches about peace? Midovets, Lavrov's deputy, about negotiations without preconditions? All this is preparation and stuffing information. These statements are not made without permission from above. Banderlog will temporarily cease fire on the Donbass on the orders of their masters. All this for the sake of PERSONAL and PERSONAL security guarantees. And it still doesn’t happen just because they don’t trust each other now. Do you remember how Biden, with the consent of Putin personally, came to Kiev, the mother of Russian cities? How to call it? Separate negotiations? Only in relation not to the ally state, but in relation to its people. However, what kind of people he is for them. How they were afraid of mobilization, so as not to give weapons to the people, they remember February 17th.
    3. 0
      February 21 2023
      Well, at least someone has a "suspension" and not an "exit", thanks hi
  40. -1
    February 21 2023
    Explain to me, please, what is the benefit to us from withdrawing from this treaty? Does the nuclear potential of Great Britain and France at the current moment (this is important) somehow give advantages to the United States? As for me, the main benefit of START was that understanding how much and what a potential enemy had made it possible to reduce the likelihood of a nuclear apocalypse. And what now (provided that START is really dead)? The United States will build up its nuclear forces, we will build up nuclear forces. Now no one will be able to rely on the concept of a counter strike, because. with a significant increase in the number of nuclear warheads, the one who first delivers his charges to the enemy will win. This means that the trigger threshold will decrease. And given how now everyone freely offers to use nuclear weapons, it becomes scary. Still, in the 50-80s there were people in power who knew what the Second World War was, but now nuclear weapons are just another type of weapon.
    1. 0
      February 21 2023
      First of all, the Merikos did not allow us to inspections for a long time. Secondly, this company is called NATO. And the agreement is only between Russia and the Amerz
      1. -1
        February 22 2023
        Why weren't they allowed? Allowed, but subject to sanctions. You read what our people said when they limited the access of their inspectors: we are not given free flight over Europe and Canada. And you can't get a visa in Europe. Like this.
  41. 0
    February 21 2023
    It is logical - the very presence of nuclear weapons in supposedly neutral countries is already a violation of the non-proliferation treaty and is a threat to the interests of the Russian Federation, at least it is necessary to renegotiate taking into account various Incirliks ​​and Ramsteins - and deploy our nuclear weapons, for example, in Cuba and Venezuela
    1. 0
      February 22 2023
      What countries are you talking about? You are so interesting - why would Cuba and Venezuela agree to deploy our nuclear weapons? It makes even more sense to deploy air-launched nuclear weapons there. This means that it is necessary to create a layered air defense system thousands of kilometers away and not surrounded by friendly countries. That's hundreds of billions of dollars for infrastructure. Where's the money, Zin?
  42. +1
    February 21 2023
    It is necessary to leave the IMF, WTO, etc. as soon as possible. We need to build our own alliances. Of course, there are problems with the "allies", but you need to start.
  43. +5
    February 21 2023
    To be honest .. then at the 38th minute I got tired of listening ....
    Nothing radically new was said.
    Further, toezhe ... well, except that the type needs a vacation for 14 days for everyone who participates in the NWO .. but !!!
    Hunt to say eprst!!!! So many studies have been done, so many psychologists have worked a hell of a lot of hours ... but there is all the information in order to understand how much a person (unit, unit, formation) can be put in combat conditions. It has already been calculated after how long the combat effectiveness begins to decrease ... But alas, our MINISTRY OF DEFENSE does nothing in this regard .. And now on our galley the most important slave gotta do this.....
    1. 0
      February 22 2023
      I didn't even listen, what's the point? The most important will then be told by the media and LOMS.
  44. 0
    February 21 2023
    Quote: K._2
    We also need to withdraw from the WTO and the WHO, this is the right way. Then we will become even more independent, the trade in pads, pills and consumer goods carries more dough than any war. And yes, World-World.

    No! World - Russia. And the world - what he deserves!
  45. -1
    February 22 2023
    Quote: zloybond
    For example, I was waiting for the Guarantor to declare a fight against agents of influence. These guys work no worse than nuclear weapons in Russia.

    It is not possible to do all transformations at the same time. Threatening civil war.
  46. +1
    February 22 2023
    Quote from cold wind
    Very timely news for the US. This treaty was very difficult for them. China intends to triple its nuclear arsenal by 2035, so the United States needs to have an arsenal comparable to China and Russia combined.
    They also need to militarize space. Having superiority by orders of magnitude in the load being launched, they can make a qualitative leap forward. Thank you Musk for this.
    The United States also needs to remove restrictions on long-range / strategic bombers, in the confrontation with China they have a key role.
    In general, for the United States is extremely positive news.

    Yes, what are you saying? The Americans do not have nuclear reactors to build up weapons-grade uranium and plutonium. Only old stock. They won't grow much there. But Russia has.

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