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Conflict in Ukraine: Reflections on "Plan A" and "Plan B"

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Conflict in Ukraine: Reflections on "Plan A" and "Plan B"

A year after the start of the Russian NWO, it becomes obvious that not everything is in order with the control of the situation by the parties. “Plan A”, which both Russia and the West had, failed. "Plan B", apparently, did not appear. As a result, everything hung in a "vacuum".


Igor Shishkin and Andrey Fefelov discuss this on the Dent TV channel.

So, the main plan of Russia as of February 24 last year, probably, consisted in a rapid breakthrough to Kyiv with relatively small strike groups, which was supposed to “scare” the political leadership of Ukraine and demoralize the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As a result, a certain agreement would have been signed that would put an end to Kyiv's NATO plans and ensure the security of our country.

Tellingly, such an outcome could initially suit the West. Indeed, in Washington, judging by the promptly imposed unprecedented sanctions, they planned not a military, but an economic defeat for Russia. The United States and its allies only needed a reason to introduce restrictions, which our country gave them on February 24, 2022.

Meanwhile, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not “demoralize”, and the Kyiv authorities were not afraid. It is pointless to talk about the reasons for the “failure” of our “Plan A” now. What happened happened.

In turn, the United States, seeing that the Ukrainian troops did not “run away”, decided to support them with weapons in order to inflict a couple of small, but already extremely tangible military defeats on the territory of Ukraine in Russia. That is why Washington gave the command to Kyiv to withdraw from the impending “Istanbul agreements”.

Taking into account the fact that both sides, apparently, did not have a “Plan B”, but were engaged in improvisation, the conflict in Ukraine gradually turned into an analogue of the First World War with incessant artillery, layered defense and “local Verdun”. Naturally, both Russia and the US want to get out of this situation without losing face. However, today there are not so many options.

Military defeat should be discarded at once. The main participants in the confrontation (after all, everyone understands that Ukraine is just a tool) are two nuclear powers. The victory of one of them by military means, for obvious reasons, is excluded.

There is an option with an endless prolongation of the conflict, which again is not beneficial to either side. Russia is under total sanctions and the cost of the war is seriously complicating the situation. It is time for the United States to prepare for a confrontation with China, which is about to begin an operation to return Taiwan. Ukraine for Washington now is like a "suitcase without a handle."

The only optimal option is a diplomatic compromise. However, at the moment, the parties are putting forward absolutely unacceptable conditions, which is postponing the resolution of this conflict for an indefinite period.

Reflections on "Plan A" and "Plan B" in Ukraine:

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  1. Mikhail Maslov
    Mikhail Maslov 22 February 2023 07: 27
    +3
    Is this fundamental? The war goes on and on according to a different plan, which is being made based on the current situation. The Supreme Commander has not determined any plan either territorially, or in terms of timing or according to other criteria. Based on this, the war will go on before negotiations. The power itself in Kiev will not be destroyed, therefore the state of Ukraine will live in some kind of "volume" What other plans do you need?
    1. DefenderofTruth
      DefenderofTruth 22 February 2023 07: 39
      +1
      As long as the initially Russophobic non-state of Ukraine exists on the primordially Russian lands, there will be no peace, there will be a constant war with Russia, with truces and hostilities.

      If, as a result of the NMD, the Nazi regime remains in Kiev and the most important ports of the Black Sea Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson remain outside the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, all border territories of the Russian Federation: Crimea, Sevastopol, Bryansk, Kursk, Belgorod, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions, LPR and DPR will live under constant artillery and rocket shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as Donetsk lives under shelling now, the situation that arose in 2014 will not change.

      The solution to the Ukrainian conflict is only one offensive, the liberation of Ukraine from Nazism and its reunification with Russia, the line of our victory in this war is the Kyiv-Odessa highway, the Dniester River.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 22 February 2023 07: 53
        +8
        Quote from DefenderofTruth
        The solution to the Ukrainian conflict is only one offensive

        dofiga came in a year? further: the supply of "long-range" 404th, shelling of our cities, shelling of their cities, help from the west will continue, and there will be PMCs, do you think something will change in a year? This state of affairs is beneficial for the West, they will continue to sponsor the destruction of the Slavs-Slavs. this is for a long time, if you do not put a Zhyrnaya point, preemptively hitting the places of transfer of equipment and L.S. from the side of NATO. but no ...
        1. Ohsetin
          Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 41
          +8
          Quote: Dead Day
          dofiga came in a year?

          Well, the grandfather in the message repeated the theses of a year ago, and in the AP they did not consider it necessary to update the training manual.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 February 2023 14: 09
          +7
          Quote: Dead Day
          the West benefits from this state of affairs, they will continue to sponsor the destruction of the Slavs-Slavs. This is for a long time,

          Exactly. But the author of the article believes
          so it has failed in the West.
          . So far I see only the failure of our plans. The goons and guards are still chanting mantras in the style of "It's all right, beautiful marquise", but what is happening can hardly be called control of the situation. And Putin showed this well with his toothless "message", after the resounding slap in the face received as a result of Biden's visit to Kyiv. hi
          1. stankow
            stankow 26 February 2023 21: 51
            0
            What kind of "slap" is this? Did you have to shoot at the old man with Calibers? Spoil the balance with a nuclear power? Who needs it?
      2. Salt
        Salt 22 February 2023 21: 18
        0
        The division of Ukraine according to plan "A" to Galicia is the best option, but according to plan "B", the division along the Dnieper, I think, would suit many too. wink
      3. steelmaker
        steelmaker 22 February 2023 21: 34
        0
        "and its reunification with Russia,"
        Brilliant! On NTV "meeting place", there is such a talker - Yusin. So, he said that we know where and when the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will take place. We will crush them, and then .... up to Kyiv "victory march".
        For your map to be a reality, it is necessary that there are no such Yusins ​​in power, even on TV. But in reality there will be "Minsk" or "Khasavyurt"
    2. Silver99
      Silver99 22 February 2023 07: 54
      -5
      And what kind of "peaceful" plan B ??? It simply cannot be! This is not Korea, where, in fact, a single people, divided into two social groups by the will of the UN, and not Germany, again, united by a single nation. Here the confrontation of ideologies, Nazism and bestial hatred of everything Russian on the part of Ukraine with the support of the West cannot be accepted, all blah blah blah about a single Russian and Ukrainian people are not consistent, 300 years of "bloody" tsarism united the Empire, there were no nations! !! There was a united Russia, with the advent of the Bolsheviks and the division along national lines, everything went awry Poland and Finland remembered sovereignty, all national entities about their "elites" who destroyed the USSR in 75 years. In this conflict, any truce is the way to the next war, and in the near future. until the world realizes that the hands of doomsday are already at 12, and the cuckoo cuckoo will not stop ((((Apparently a global skirmish is not avoidable (((((
      1. Ohsetin
        Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 39
        +9
        Quote from Silver99
        Here the confrontation of ideologies, Nazism and bestial hatred of everything Russian from Ukraine with the support of the West

        There is no ideology here (as well as mass (more than in the Russian Federation) Nazism in Ukraine) - a purely capital struggle on both sides for access (on the part of the oligarchs of the Russian Federation, in fact, a struggle to maintain access) to resources.
    3. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 42
      +6
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      The Supreme Commander did not determine any plan either territorially, or in terms of timing or other criteria.

      In terms of? But what about the year of the NWO which is "going according to plan"?
  2. Boris Ivanov
    Boris Ivanov 22 February 2023 07: 29
    +11
    "If you don't know the ford, don't go into the water" is what people say.
  3. DefenderofTruth
    DefenderofTruth 22 February 2023 07: 30
    -4
    such an outcome could initially suit the West

    It could not, because since 2014 the United States and the EU have been preparing Ukraine specifically for a full-scale war with Russia, no peace treaty will suit them without causing enormous damage to Russia and Ukraine's entry into NATO and the EU, the deployment of US military bases there.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 22 February 2023 07: 57
      +1
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      I couldn’t, because since 2014 the US and the EU have been preparing Ukraine precisely for a full-scale war with Russia,

      I’ll clarify, Ukraine and Russia. No one except the Poles is eager to get involved. And those who sensed blood, and our weakness, in connection with the "regroupings" and the massive destruction of tanks near Vugledar. That overshadowed their minds.
  4. DefenderofTruth
    DefenderofTruth 22 February 2023 07: 33
    -4
    There is an option with an endless prolongation of the conflict, which again is not beneficial to either side
    It is beneficial, very beneficial for the United States to freeze this conflict again until a new war with Russia and temporarily reduce military assistance to Ukraine after inflicting a series of significant defeats on the Russian Federation.
    1. Mikhail Maslov
      Mikhail Maslov 22 February 2023 07: 51
      -3
      Not necessarily. What you and I see in real time is already a partial victory for the United States. Whether or not the country of Ukraine is no longer important, it is important that the country of the Russian Federation has not caved in not at the front, not in the economy. And this is already our huge plus.
      1. Ohsetin
        Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 34
        +8
        Quote: Mikhail Maslov
        it is important that the country of the Russian Federation did not cave in, not at the front, not in the economy.

        What parallel universe is this in?
  5. Pavel73
    Pavel73 22 February 2023 07: 53
    -4
    The West can easily drop this suitcase without a handle without losing face. To do this, you just need to honestly report to the world community ALL the intelligence and ALL the results of the investigation into the crash of the Boeing MH17 in July 2014. This is a verdict for Ukraine. And if the West has not yet done this, it means that it is still trying to profit from the massacre in Ukraine. As soon as it actually ceases to be beneficial for the West, it will immediately crack down on the Ukrainian-fascist regime. And there will be a new Nuremberg.
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 35
      +9
      Quote: Pavel73
      As soon as it actually ceases to be beneficial for the West, it will immediately crack down on the Ukrainian-fascist regime. And there will be a new Nuremberg.

      Turbo-patriots brought a new portion of hallucinogens?
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 22 February 2023 09: 46
        -2
        And what is wrong? Doesn't the West benefit from everything that is happening in Ukraine right now?
        1. Ohsetin
          Ohsetin 22 February 2023 22: 29
          +1
          Quote: Pavel73
          Doesn't the West benefit from everything that is happening in Ukraine right now?

          Very profitable, but why deal with something? They will carefully change the current mode to a quieter one, which Nuremberg are you writing about and for whom?
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  6. Sith
    Sith 22 February 2023 07: 54
    -1
    Quote from DefenderofTruth
    There is an option with an endless prolongation of the conflict, which again is not beneficial to either side
    It is beneficial, very beneficial for the United States to freeze this conflict again until a new war with Russia and temporarily reduce military assistance to Ukraine after inflicting a series of significant defeats on the Russian Federation.

    Do not reduce military assistance ... but save up ... collect a fist of equipment and "trained" meat as it was last year
    The trained meat has drastically decreased in numbers, and the aid is already being spent as soon as it arrives, which is why the vanguished "counteroffensive" is dragging on so much that it is not so quick to organize accumulation for it either in people or in technology
  7. Kuziming
    Kuziming 22 February 2023 07: 54
    -8
    1. The USA was also a nuclear country during its conflict with Korea, Vietnam, Cuba. Actually, mainland China also lost their satellite Chiang Kai-shek.
    So their nuclear status is no guarantee.
    2. Putin announced a completely sane plan. Autarky, de-dollarization, development. In essence, the strengthening of the country against the backdrop of a low-intensity conflict. The US can support the conflict for a long time, but the EU will destroy it.
    If the EU collapses, the Americans will have to solve problems incomparable with the loss of Ukraine.
    3. Yes, the western bloc has many factories and technologies. But we can achieve technology parity.
    But where will they get an equal amount of our raw materials, energy, stupidly just water resources (the Rhine is getting shallower), electricity, and still hard workers. However, you don’t have to worry about the Czechs, they seem to have enough workers. But not to increase the volume of production tenfold.
    With such a deployment, their output of the civilian sector will fall.
    So what is useful for Russia is death for a German.
    Again, the key point is our breakthrough to technology parity.
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 32
      +4
      Quote from Kuziming
      Putin announced a completely sane plan. ... development.

      This plan has been voiced for 20 years. But, after 2014, something steadily goes wrong - either diarrhea or scrofula.
      Quote from Kuziming
      But where will they get an equal amount of our raw materials, energy, stupidly just water resources

      When Erefiya breaks up into 12-20 parts, everything will be taken there.
      1. Kuziming
        Kuziming 22 February 2023 13: 25
        0
        I will disappoint you, my Ukrainian friend. It will be very expensive to transport ore from Russia and pump drinking water. Regarding plans for dividing Russia into 20 parts, these are your fantasies. In any case, the time for abstract conversations is over, now everything will be decided clearly and indicatively. I wish you stay alive.
        1. Ohsetin
          Ohsetin 22 February 2023 22: 35
          0
          Quote from Kuziming
          It will be very expensive to transport ore from Russia and pump drinking water.

          You don't watch federal anal news? They make a channel for transferring water from the Don to the Donbass. As for the ore, they brought it from the Belgorod and Kursk regions anyway.
          Quote from Kuziming
          now everything will be decided clearly and indicatively

          Now is when? After Kyiv in 3 days? The Kremlin elder said that the NWO is the new normal - we will pickle eggs. The West is all the more profitable.
          Quote from Kuziming
          I wish you stay alive.

          And the living will envy the dead? © I do not remember Who.
      2. Turtle
        Turtle 25 February 2023 18: 34
        0
        I will not comment on the plans of the cat Leopold for "development" (not impressive), but about "12-20 parts - everything will be taken there" let me remind you that they have repeatedly taken the whole west from under the table right into the esophagus.
  8. Galleon
    Galleon 22 February 2023 07: 58
    +10
    A diplomatic compromise for Russia is a crushing defeat, humiliation and subsequent robbery. For our diplomats will go through everything possible and add more from themselves. After a year of jokes about red lines, only an amnesiac can mention diplomacy as a tool. If the diplomats are replaced by Prigozhin and Kadyrov, this is at least some option. At the same time, during the negotiations, our military tension and onslaught should become maximum, and the bans on targets should be lifted: buildings and bunkers into rubble. And the enemy must feel that every day of negotiations causes him irreparable harm.
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 29
      +3
      Quote: Galleon
      Kadyrov, this is at least some option.

      Get the 3rd Chechen throughout Russia? So-so option.
      There is nothing to say about urokogan, perhaps this is really an option in a country where every third person was imprisoned.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 22 February 2023 10: 42
        +2
        it really is an option in a country where one in three sat.

        Yes, write already "every first" what is already there, do not limit yourself.
    2. Turtle
      Turtle 25 February 2023 18: 38
      0
      Quote: Galleon
      If diplomats are replaced by Prigozhin and Kadyrov

      Quite right, and a remote control to D. Peskov with a single "mute" button.
  9. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 22 February 2023 07: 59
    +6
    "Military defeat should be discarded immediately. The main participants in the confrontation (after all, everyone understands that Ukraine is just a tool) are two nuclear powers. The victory of one of them by military means is excluded for obvious reasons."
    how can the United States win or lose militarily without participating in a "military" sense? no, my friend, in the military sense, win or lose, only the Russian Federation or Ukraine can .. that’s the sweetness for the striped ones, regardless of the outcome, they are in a good economic plus .. and in the economic sense, we won’t be able to win, for all desire, due to the lack of opportunity .. and under capitalism, the victory criterion is profit .. according to the results of WW2 - in the economic sense, they became the main beneficiaries - and their exit from the Great Depression into hechemons - as a result - grows roots from where Germany and USSR fought..
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 28
      -2
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      in a military sense, only the Russian Federation or Ukraine can win or lose.

      There is a third way - the collapse of the Russian Federation. And then it won’t reach the SNF, so this will be a complete victory for the United States.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 22 February 2023 10: 04
        +6
        Quote: Ohsetin
        There is a third way - the collapse of the Russian Federation. And then it won’t reach the SNF, so this will be a complete victory for the United States.

        why would they? it was clear with the USSR, but what good would they get from this today - what they don’t have now? a bunch of smuts in the form of a bunch of incomprehensible countries at war with nuclear weapons will receive, instead of 1 seller of resources - a dozen will receive .. and these are all minuses, not pluses .. what are the pluses for them from collapse? moreover, you need to count in money, since they are capitalists ... the whole and "terrible" RF is more profitable for making money .. so this path is not needed by anyone, so its probability is very small, if it happens, rather due to internal problems , they won’t go to capture us, they’re not stupid, and there’s no need, again ..
        1. Ohsetin
          Ohsetin 22 February 2023 22: 37
          0
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          a bunch of smuts in the form of a bunch of incomprehensible warring countries with nuclear weapons

          Who said that they would leave nuclear weapons to someone from the fragments of Erefia?
          1. Turtle
            Turtle 25 February 2023 18: 43
            0
            And who told you that the Russian Federation would fall apart without using nuclear weapons against "good old partners"? Do you have reason to believe it? When you inhale, don't forget to exhale, yeah.
  10. Essex62
    Essex62 22 February 2023 08: 11
    -1
    Plan A failed. The West has been purposefully preparing for a war with Russia for eight years, having received an ideal situation - to kill Russians with the hands of Russians, as a result of a completely toothless, disregarding policy towards the outskirts. And it will not allow you to get out of this situation. This war will drag on for a long time. Well, there can be only one plan B - real, and not in words, industrialization, when the income of a manager, buy and sell - the hucksters are meager, and the worker has a lot. A military victory and the liberation of territories, followed by a long and painful reformatting of the population of the outskirts and real denazification, like the German one, after WWII.
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 26
      +7
      Quote: Essex62
      Military victory and liberation of territories followed by a long and painful reformatting of the population of the outskirts and real denazification

      It's amazing that after a year of real "cases" the storytellers are still alive :-/
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 24 February 2023 09: 59
        0
        Do you have another plan for solving the problem? The storytellers are alive and at the top because the people don't care. Most of the threat is not aware. A feast during the plague in Moscow and St. Petersburg and so far no arrivals along Tverskaya and Nevsky. Only the Bandera outskirts and NATO are not Chechnya or Afghanistan, which is somewhere far away "and does not concern me." Will get to the full and "fat" when they trample. The abscess must be removed. From the outskirts they made a war machine with Russia, and in no other capacity can it exist if it is not destroyed as a state. Freemasons will always have firewood for this fire. They can burn for decades.
  11. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 February 2023 08: 12
    +1
    Tellingly, such an outcome could initially suit the West.
    Конечно. fool After all, it consisted in signing papers-obligations that the West never fulfilled. request
  12. alexey_444
    alexey_444 22 February 2023 08: 37
    -10
    Only those who do nothing do not make mistakes. God also had to make a woman, otherwise Adam would have sat under a tree enjoying life. Putin immediately said we will act according to the situation, Little Russia (again, it was not said that everything) will return to Russia, why no one listens to him, everyone invents something for themselves and then laments that everything is going wrong. And why is it again believed that we are not profitable conflict in the long run. If it lasts for a long time, then all the riff-raff that sits on the sawing of oil and gas revenues will fall down, since it will not be necessary for import substitution lalyakals, but for production workers, as in Iran. Yes, and our mentality is like that of the Jews, if there are no threats, and external pressure, our society will be defragmented, who goes to the forest, who for firewood. Let there be a subsidence of the economy, as the Americans staged an oil embargo in the 70s, but they tightened up and the economy became less costly.
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 25
      +7
      Quote: alexey_444
      And why is it again believed that we are not profitable conflict in the long run.

      The echo of the demographic pit of the Second World War is still noticeable. Pit of the 90s in full growth. Let's put another hole in the NWO - of course, a long-term conflict (also with huge sacrifices) is very beneficial. The only question is to whom.
      Quote: alexey_444
      If it lasts for a long time, then all the riff-raff that sits on the sawing of oil and gas revenues will fall down, since it will not be necessary for import substitution lalyakals, but for production workers, as in Iran.

      In Iran, there is the idea of ​​an Islamic revolution, to what extent is another question. Since the 90s, we have only had one idea - cutting the budget. Where will the production workers come from?
      Quote: alexey_444
      but they tightened up and the economy became less costly.

      Who are you talking about?
    2. dump22
      dump22 22 February 2023 13: 04
      +1
      it will be necessary not to lalyakals of import substitution, but to production workers, as in Iran


      You have some strange idea about Iran.
      "Production workers" in Iran occupy a strictly subordinate position and do not decide anything.
      And they rule everything there just "lyalakals" (by your definition), that is, religious authorities capable of delivering inspiring sermons.
    3. Essex62
      Essex62 25 February 2023 09: 08
      0
      The wrestlers are sitting on the sawing of oil and gas revenues. You with formulations, then, comrade be careful. It's not even the hour... lol
  13. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 22 February 2023 08: 56
    +6
    Military defeat should be discarded at once. The main participants in the confrontation (after all, everyone understands that Ukraine is just a tool) are two nuclear powers. The victory of one of them by military means, for obvious reasons, is excluded.
    Brad, it is precisely the military defeat of one of the parties that this will end. Otherwise, why do we need partial mobilization, or the supply of leopards from them. And no one will shoot nuclear weapons without a serious reason
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 20
      +5
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Otherwise, why do we need partial mobilization, or the supply of leopards from them.

      See what the plan is. If in the disposal of the Eastern Slavs, then everything is still according to plan, it remains only to tighten up Belarus.
  14. DmSol
    DmSol 22 February 2023 09: 13
    +2
    Well I do not know. One gets the impression that they don't give a damn about the war in general. The main theme is who will steer after Putin. This is connected with all this squabbling between the clans, which has now partially come out in the media. And the distribution of awards, for his circle. Although from the outside it would be more appropriate to present these awards to the CIA :) for example. As for the plans, today it seems to be clear that in addition to the opinion of our "strategists" there was a verbal agreement with Biden that the states would not interfere. And that is typical at first everything was so. For it was not the Americans who muddied the water, but the British.
    1. Ohsetin
      Ohsetin 22 February 2023 23: 35
      0
      Quote: DmSol
      One gets the impression that they don't give a damn about the war in general.

      I think it’s not surprising, because this is not their war, but you know who.
      Quote: DmSol
      The main theme is who will steer after Putin.

      And here they have a direct interest.
      Quote: DmSol
      As for the plans, today it seems to be clear that in addition to the opinion of our "strategists" there was an oral agreement with Biden that the states would not interfere. And that is typical at first everything was so.

      I'm not sure that such an agreement was, but it is possible. Simply, I think she was, then for a month probation. And when ours screwed up with the "brilliant plan" - the Americans began to pull themselves up very carefully after Istanbul. But, ours continued to screw up over and over again and the Americans had nowhere to go, it was a sin not to take advantage of the situation.
  15. Ohsetin
    Ohsetin 22 February 2023 09: 18
    +6
    A year after the start of the Russian NWO, it becomes obvious that not everything is in order with the control of the situation by the parties. “Plan A”, which both Russia and the West had, failed. "Plan B", apparently, did not appear. As a result, everything hung in a "vacuum".

    Actually not like this:
    Russia did not have a plan "A". More precisely, he seemed to be, but it was not a plan, but the dreams of an old man, whom no one dares to argue with. They really didn’t come up with a plan “B” for the year, because there is no one, and even the old man, to disturb him once again - he still thinks that “Everything is going according to plan.” But the West had a plan and everything goes according to it, except with adjustments for (with shifts to the left) how badly the Kremlin and MORF actually screw up, in politics and on the battlefield.
  16. dump22
    dump22 22 February 2023 12: 48
    -5
    it becomes obvious that not everything is in order with the control of the situation by the parties.


    Stop talking simply and even discredit our glorious aircraft.
    Listen to the Commander-in-Chief, especially his last speech.
    SVO is going according to plan. Lots of heroes. The successes are obvious.

    But the West is on the eve of imminent collapse.
    They played and crossed the fatal line.
    I have absolutely accurate verified information.
    The announcement by the West of God as gender-neutral finally overflowed the cup of God's patience and "above" it was decided to deal with them as with Sodom and Gomorrah.
    We just have to wait a little longer and be patient a little more.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 February 2023 14: 17
      +4
      Quote from: dump22
      The successes are obvious.

      Do you love fantasy?
      1. dump22
        dump22 22 February 2023 22: 41
        -2
        Yes, I love it a lot. Especially the alternate history. laughing
    2. rafat
      rafat 22 February 2023 22: 31
      +1
      The announcement by the West of God as gender-neutral finally overflowed the cup of God's patience and "above" it was decided to deal with them as with Sodom and Gomorrah.
      We just have to wait a little longer and be patient a little more. Yes, you turned down there is a proverb, trust in God, but don’t make a mistake yourself.
    3. Qas
      Qas 24 February 2023 02: 22
      +1
      Are you a consultant to God, since you have accurate data and are aware of his plans?
      1. dump22
        dump22 25 February 2023 19: 40
        0
        Not myself, of course, but our patriarch.
        This is an insider from the office of the patriarchate. laughing
  17. Ruyter-57
    Ruyter-57 22 February 2023 16: 15
    0
    Military defeat should be discarded at once. The main participants in the confrontation (after all, everyone understands that Ukraine is just a tool) are two nuclear powers. The victory of one of them by military means for obvious reasons is excluded

    How much can one chew this nonsense for people with developmental disabilities about the impossibility of defeating a nuclear power? Or is it a self-soothing method?
    Did the US win in Vietnam? Was the USSR a nuclear power?
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 25 February 2023 09: 18
      0
      Neither one nor the other suffered a military defeat. The potential of the states allowed for decades to drive Vietnam into the Stone Age, the reasons for stopping the database are political, internal. We have the same. Coup and change of formation. The deflection to the west is not the result of a loss on the battlefield, but a consequence of the huckster, comprador nature of the usurpers. All fragments of the Union retained sovereignty, at least formally, which does not happen with the defeat and occupation of the territory of the victor's armed forces.
  18. Alexander_First
    Alexander_First 22 February 2023 22: 31
    +5
    Dolbopatriots and propagandists still chant mantras in the style of "All is well, beautiful marquise", but what is happening can hardly be called a positive situation. Without changing the socio-economic system (by legal means), nothing good will come of it. The ruling class in Russia turned out to be a complete, useless thieving sucker. For thirty years they robbed everyone, taking the loot offshore. Where everything was taken away from them by evil Western queers and transsexuals. Outcome: this class is a total nonentity
    ( ) and an enemy of the people. Radical measures are needed to guide the country's economy and the Armed Forces. Only true patriots and professionals can do this.
  19. tsvetahaki
    tsvetahaki 22 February 2023 22: 32
    +1
    Plan "B" follows from the looming main tasks of the moment.
    And this is to preserve the social system, the structure of power and their wealth. Considering that with the success of plan "A" there was no need to think about it.
    It follows from this that no nuclear war can solve the problem. Victory - despite the fact that everything must be done differently, but without changing anything - is clearly receding, and the path to victory is increasingly seen as incompatible with the solution of the main tasks outlined above.
    What remains is "victory" - in the sense, some kind of peace, on the best achievable terms. You can try to improve the conditions by military means until the tension of forces jeopardizes the solution of the main task .... Peace - and then we'll see ...
  20. Eug
    Eug 23 February 2023 09: 42
    +1
    As for me, there are a lot of questions, and one of them is whether Russian society is ready to recognize any result of the war as a victory for Russia, except for the surrender of Ukraine. The same questions to the Ukrainian society, but, of course, the winner and the capitulator change places...
  21. Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 23 February 2023 12: 55
    +1
    There is only one plan, everything will be decided by itself, and we only need to wait and time works for us.
    Ukraine will freeze.
    Ukraine will not withstand economic difficulties.
    They are spiders in a jar and will eat each other.
    The West will force Ukraine to comply with the agreements.
    Armed forces take power into their own hands.
    The West will freeze.
    The West will not withstand economic difficulties.
    They are spiders in a jar and will eat each other.
    Etc.
  22. ivan2022
    ivan2022 23 February 2023 12: 56
    0
    As the saying goes, "ears stick out and one does not fit with the other."
    Or vice versa, very well coordinated?

    Russia for 8 years, as it were, was deceived and fought for the Minsk Agreements. And did not notice the grandiose construction of fortified areas.

    They told us on TV about the "ditch along the borders", for which Ukraine has no money.

    In 2014, a coup d'état took place with amazing impunity, and the legitimate president was afraid to fulfill his duties, restore order and seek help ....

    Russia has been preparing for an economic confrontation for 8 years and brought huge sums to the West. But Britain surprisingly left the EU at the right time "by the will of the people's referendum" and by 2021 concluded new trade agreements ......

    In short, at the same time, the mechanism worked quite smoothly on both sides. And now Russia sold goods to Ukraine for 2022 billion dollars in 1.5 ..
  23. smok1961
    smok1961 24 February 2023 21: 25
    -1
    Rosyjski plan A inwazji na Ukraine to istny cud.
    Wyglądał on tak :

    - Naprzód żolnierze!
    - Czy mamy nowoczesną broń?
    - nie mamy...!!!
    - a paliwo do czołgow?
    - nie mamy!!!
    - a jedzenie?
    - nie mamy!!!
    - skarpety, mundury, kamizelki kuloodporne, hełmy, koce, śpiwory ???
    - nie mamy!!!

    To wspaniały plan !!!...naprzód do boju !!!
    ==============

    Teraz opracowywany jest plan B...
    1. coinsam
      coinsam 25 February 2023 07: 28
      0
      Wszystko to. to, co wymieniłeś, armia rosyjska ma. Ale Ukrainian nie.