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Chinese training aircraft L-15 enters the international market

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Chinese training aircraft L-15 enters the international market

The company "AVIC Hundu" concluded with China National aviation import-export corporation (CATIC) contract for the supply of 12 training aircraft L-15.

The agreement was signed at the Airshow China-2012 air show in Zhuhai.

According to Flight International, the contract with CATIC should be the first export sale of the L-15 aircraft, which China has been actively promoting in recent years to the international market.

According to CATIC president Ma Sipping, the official first sale of L-15 will be announced next year. Currently, neither the manufacturer nor the intermediary does not disclose the customer aircraft.

A spokesperson for AVIC Hundu confirmed that the company had started small-scale production of the L-15, and the delivery of the first 12 aircraft would be completed by the end of the 2013 of the year.

The company also said it will develop a new powerplant for the L-15, which will receive the designation "Minshan." Currently, twin-engine aircraft is equipped with AI-222-25F engines of the Ukrainian Motor Sich JSC. According to AVIC, the Minshan will be a twin-shaft turbojet dual-engine with an afterburner.

To date, the tests of the main components of the power plant have been completed with a satisfactory result, which allows us to expect that the development will be completed within a few years.

In the spring of this year, Chinese media quoted a statement from one of the leaders of the Hongda Aviation Industry Company that over the past few years, China has received a number of applications from Latin America and Africa for the supply of L-15, and the production of the first batch of 12 aircraft will begin in the current year

Potential customers of L-15 consider, first of all, those countries that are operators of the Karakorum TCB K-8.

Preliminary negotiations on the supply of L-15 held with the Air Force of several African countries, including Namibia and the DRC. The Venezuelan government is also assessing the feasibility of acquiring L-15.

TCB L-15 is designed for training pilots of aircraft such as J-10, J-11, F-16, etc. The maximum take-off weight of L-15 is 9800 kg, length is 12,27 m, wing span is 9,48 m, practical ceiling is 16500 m The design of the TCF on 25% is made of composite materials. Estimated lifetime - 10 thousand flight hours or 30 years.
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  1. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 17 November 2012 11: 08
    +6
    And is it by chance that the Chinese weren’t our Yak 130?
    1. YARY
      YARY 17 November 2012 11: 15
      +8
      And not by chance !!!!
      When people who shout in favor of China are released after five years in the wild - chance can be forgotten!
      [img] http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?p=2&text=як130&noreask=1&img_url=cs301
      308.vkontakte.ru/u156856295/-14/x_ab3d5188.jpg&pos=87&rpt=simage&lr=239[/img]
      1. YARY
        YARY 17 November 2012 11: 22
        0
        [img] http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?p=2&text=як130&noreask=1&img_url=cs30130
        8.vkontakte.ru/u156856295/-14/x_ab3d5188.jpg&pos=87&rpt=simage&lr=239[/img]


        LIKE THIS
      2. YARY
        YARY 17 November 2012 11: 24
        0


        so more clearly
      3. alex-defensor
        alex-defensor 17 November 2012 12: 18
        +4
        Quote: Born in the USSR
        And is it by chance that the Chinese weren’t our Yak 130?


        Quote: Ardent
        And not by chance !!!!


        Hello comrades. And really, why is all this Chinese technology all the time something reminds us?!?!

        Truth: Hongdu L-15 is a Chinese combat training aircraft developed by Hongdu with the assistance of Yakovlev Design Bureau.
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15

        Here is the answer ...
        1. Nick
          Nick 17 November 2012 14: 59
          +1
          Quote: alex-defensor
          Hongdu L-15 is a Chinese combat training aircraft developed by Hongdu with the assistance of Yakovlev Design Bureau

          That's how we grow a competitor for ourselves ...
    2. Engrim
      Engrim 17 November 2012 11: 26
      0
      It is clear why they refused to purchase Yak-130 two days ago.
    3. Tektor
      Tektor 17 November 2012 11: 43
      +1
      It was Chemezov who "saved" our aviation industry so much that our designers designed the Yak-130 in China ...
    4. VAF
      VAF 17 November 2012 12: 01
      +13
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      And is it by chance that the Chinese weren’t our Yak 130?


      Absolutely central, +! "Yakovlevtsy" handed over "the plane, and" Motor Sich "engines, in the end it turned out to be a" clone "of the Yak-130. only supersonic and much cheaper request

      In general, the news is not presented correctly stop

      On November 13, 2012, at the Zhuhai air show, the Chinese aircraft manufacturer Hongdu Aviation Industry (Group) Corporation (HAIGC), part of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), the state aircraft manufacturer, signed an agreement (!!!!) with AVIC is the foreign trade union of China National Aero Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) for the supply of 12 L-15 combat training aircraft for subsequent delivery abroad under a contract (!!!!) with an unnamed foreign customer.
      The export contract itself (!!!!!) should be announced in 2013 with the delivery of the first batch of aircraft by the end of 2013.

      1. FID
        FID 17 November 2012 12: 06
        +10
        I can offer for comparison. Great, Seryozha!
        1. VAF
          VAF 17 November 2012 14: 45
          +6
          Quote: SSI
          Great, Seryozha!


          Hello Seryoga! And at the Outcomes I "lingered" there again a section about the "unsinkable stool" surfaced! wassat

          Ours are "trying" to promote our Yak-130, but so far they are not very successful recourse only if ... "Papuans" and even then, only for free or on the so-called ... credit (irrevocable bully ) request

          And then ... just "came to see and asked" and then fellow

          The Commander-in-Chief of the BCC Bangladesh expressed interest in acquiring Russian Yak-130 combat training aircraft, head of the BSS department of Rosoboronexport Sergei Kornev told reporters at the China Airshow - 2012 airspace.

          "The Commander-in-Chief of the Bangladesh Air Force visited our stand and was interested in the possibility of purchasing Yak-130 combat training aircraft," Kornev said.

          Later, a representative of the Russian delegation at the air show said that Bangladesh would be able to get a Russian loan for the purchase of 12 Yak-130 aircraft and 12 Russian Su-27 fighters.

          "As far as I know, the loan has been approved. Within its framework, Bangladesh will be able to choose the number and configuration of the aircraft. Negotiations are continuing, but no documents have been signed yet," said the source of the Ria-Novosti agency.

          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 November 2012 14: 49
            +5
            Quote: vaf
            Later, a representative of the Russian delegation at the air show said that Bangladesh would be able to get a Russian loan for the purchase of 12 Yak-130 aircraft and 12 Russian Su-27 fighters.

            In short, Bangladesh will be able to receive a gift in the form of 12 SU 27 and 12 YAK 130. Congratulations to Bangladesh good fool
      2. PLO
        PLO 17 November 2012 12: 12
        +2
        "Yakovlevtsy" handed over "the plane, and" Motor Sich "engines, in the end it turned out to be a" clone "of the Yak-130. only supersonic and much cheaper

        suppose that Yak made good money on this, Motor Sich installed more powerful engines with an afterburner, so there is nothing stopping you from putting on the Yak-130 if you want, but due to what suddenly the L-15 came out cheaper?
        worst avionics?
        1. Gemar
          Gemar 17 November 2012 13: 40
          +3
          Quote: olp
          due to what suddenly the L-15 came out cheaper

          Less kickbacks, cheaper cost of man-hours and ... China now, to earn a reputation as the main supplier of cheap but reliable weapons (here they are far from competing with amers), they are ready to work even to their own detriment! The state (contrary to its obligations under the WTO) actively supports the national producer (in principle, well done, they are actively looking to the future, not pursuing immediate benefits).
          Plus, in addition to airplanes, weapons, instructor training, and maintenance are required, and this is still a significant expense of the purchasing countries.
        2. VAF
          VAF 17 November 2012 14: 49
          +6
          Quote: olp
          so nothing prevents put on the Yak-130 if desired


          Oleg, welcome +! If desired, anyone ????? have stools ?????
          I beg you!!!! lol



          And for the rest, dear Gamar answered absolutely exactly everything good

          Therefore, I will not rephrase soldier
          1. PLO
            PLO 17 November 2012 15: 51
            +3
            Greetings, Sergey.

            If desired, anyone ????? have stools ?????

            eh .. no need for sad things, just waste your nerves (

            By the way, I found an interesting photo

            MiG-29UB
            obviously recently from the factory

            the actual question is: are the Mig-29s now the capital?
            I don’t seem to hear about any modernization like the Su-27SM, or is it just the UB mod that concerns the production of the Mig-35?


            ps: in the background by the way PAK FA lit up
            1. FID
              FID 17 November 2012 16: 03
              +5
              Quote: olp
              I don’t seem to hear about any modernization like the Su-27SM, or is it just the UB mod that concerns the production of the Mig-35?
              I don’t hear anything about their modernization

              While Seryoga is busy, I'll try to answer. The MiG-29 is being upgraded to the level of the MiG-29SMT. One of the features of the revision is an additional fuel tank (increases the amount of fuel by about 30-40%), located in the "hump" behind the cab. A picture, seen from Zhukovsky?
              1. PLO
                PLO 17 November 2012 16: 29
                +2
                The MiG-29 is being upgraded to the level of the MiG-29SMT. One of the features of the revision is an additional fuel tank (increases the amount of fuel by about 30-40%), located in the "hump" behind the cab.

                interesting news.
                I thought besides the Algerian SMTs we no longer have "new" MiGs. Have you modernized a lot?
                if there are pictures of modernized aircraft I will be grateful.)

                And the picture, seen from Zhukovsky?

                I can not say
                pulled out of here
                http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?99988-Russian-Photos-%28upda
                ted-on-regular-basis% 29 & p = 6454241 & viewfull = 1 # post6454241
                1. FID
                  FID 17 November 2012 17: 07
                  +3
                  It seems everyone should, which will remain in service.
              2. PLO
                PLO 18 November 2012 00: 35
                +1
                And the picture, seen from Zhukovsky?


                A photograph of a two-seat combat training fighter MiG-29UB ("09-53", hull number "139"), taken at the airfield of JSC "Flight Research Institute named after MM Gromov" in Zhukovsky, owned by JSC "RSK" MIG ". The aircraft is permanently based in the 929th State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense named after V.P. Chkalov in Akhtubinsk.The aircraft has a new single-color dark gray paint scheme, which is quite unusual for the Russian MiG-29.

                Aircraft MiG-29UB (type "9-53", tail number "139"). The second prototype PAK FA (T-50-2) is visible in the background. Zhukovsky, November 2012 (c) Vyacheslav Babaevsky / russianplanes.net
              3. Srgsoap
                Srgsoap 18 November 2012 11: 21
                0
                Hello, Sergey. Could you explain why the color 29, and the other equipment has changed, became so dark in the style of NATO aircraft. I'm talking about the olp photo above which.
            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 18 November 2012 00: 07
              0
              Against the backdrop of PAK FA! Symbolically!
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 17 November 2012 22: 11
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        Yakovlevites "handed over" the plane,


        I want to eat, capitalism eat it
  2. YARY
    YARY 17 November 2012 11: 23
    0


    HERE SO more clearly
  3. Engrim
    Engrim 17 November 2012 11: 27
    +1
    It is clear why they refused to purchase Yak-130 two days ago. Apparently, the plane is already completely ready.
    1. VAF
      VAF 17 November 2012 12: 05
      +5
      Quote: Engrim
      It is clear why they refused to purchase Yak-130 two days ago. Apparently, the plane is already completely ready.


      +! good

      nr.01 - first
      nr.02 - factory for stat tests
      nr.03 - third (for the period of testing at CFTE Yanliang - nr.432)
      nr.04 - factory for stat tests
      nr. 05 - fifth (for the test period at CFTE Yanliang - nr. 433)
      nr. 06 - "extreme"

      1. Gemar
        Gemar 17 November 2012 13: 53
        +6
        Quote: vaf
        nr. 06 - "extreme"

        Eh ... Let me be scolded with minuses, but it is better to write about Chinese prototypes without observing ethics - that is, the last one!
        If I tried to tell the Chinese that the plane was developed by Yakovlevtsy, and the engines were installed by Motor Sich - at best they would call them an ignoramus, at worst they would stuff their face.
        Already, when I was drunk, I was arguing with the Chinese about the Su-27 and its Chinese clones - the result was a fine for the police (the Chinese boss just punished, or even put on ... pah-pah!), Plus I paid for the translator - the police (this is me, with knowledge of the language!).

        And yet, let my opinion be purely amateurish, but, as it seems to me, two vertical keels are more appropriate in such a layout. But for the Yak-130, one keel is really more appropriate.
        1. Splin
          Splin 17 November 2012 14: 03
          +3
          http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/43639-airshow-china-2012-a-8.html
          Here is a reference for you, ask them questions - they will answer normally.
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 17 November 2012 14: 37
            +1
            Quote: Splin
            Here is a reference for you, ask them questions - they will answer normally.

            Thank you! +
            It is striking in the forum how all sorts of gespanians and keeper keep our MiG-29, referring to Wikipedia! Laughter, and nothing more! The Chinese are a model of judgment in comparison!
        2. VAF
          VAF 17 November 2012 14: 51
          +2
          Quote: Gamar
          write without observing ethics - that is, the last one!


          The namesake, dear, you know that we have this word in any case, is unacceptable. so sorry, +! wink
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 17 November 2012 15: 27
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            so sorry

            Yes, quit you! feel + + +
            It’s just for the power that is now not only insulting, but also scary! And against the Chinese, even black magic (last-last) I will not disdain laughing .
            For our pilots - only a soft landing, new planes, a good salary! Our prototypes (Su-39, Su-35, T-50, MiG-35) - an early production in a series (preferably large)! BTA - reliable aircraft! And for those who support the state of aviation on earth (SSI) - a decent salary! ALL LONG YEARS! GLORY TO RUSSIA! fellow
            1. FID
              FID 17 November 2012 15: 41
              +6
              ..
              Quote: Gamar
              decent salary! ALL LONG YEARS! GLORY TO RUSSIA!


              Thank! Your lips yes .....
        3. FID
          FID 17 November 2012 15: 23
          +3
          Quote: Gamar
          in this arrangement, two vertical keels are more appropriate. But for the Yak-130, one keel is really more appropriate.

          Nowhere to put two keels, just nowhere. The fuselage tip is tough, and the hoods covering the engine nozzles are not serious!
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 17 November 2012 15: 40
            +1
            Quote: SSI
            Nowhere to put two keels, just nowhere.

            I will not argue - you know better! hi +
            And the range, probably due to an increase in air resistance and an increase in mass, will suffer ...
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      1. Splin
        Splin 17 November 2012 12: 10
        +4
        But the Russian government also has a snout in the gun. Now a new war will begin between Ukraine - China. Money is small - and it is imperceptible. Here is another. In Soviet times, the technology of Russian porcelain was transferred to all plants. Now Russia wants to limit exports from non-TC plants or pay for a certain license. I understand Russia protects its markets from competitors, as with cars. But so close partners are lost and the road opens to Chinese consumer goods. Go L-15!
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  5. Splin
    Splin 17 November 2012 11: 53
    +8
    The fact is that the L-15 only resembles visually the Yak-130. Everything is different there, starting from the sizes. Yakovleva Design Bureau put itself in a trap, giving the western market to the Italian M346, and China occupies the East. When Ukrainian experts compared the Yak-130 with the Chinese, they said that the second is better. Yak had 10 years of handicap, but Russia unfortunately did not take advantage of this
    1. FID
      FID 17 November 2012 12: 18
      +4
      Italians used it. Look at the purchases of the Italian M-346, only Israel ordered 30 cars, there is also Singapore .... The picture shows the M-346 Master.
      1. Splin
        Splin 17 November 2012 12: 28
        +2
        I did not correctly divide the market. Russia counted on sales where Soviet weapons were quoted. It was also a huge market. But the slowness of managers is a big-minus minus. If in 2004 in Odessa it was proposed to assemble the Yak-130, then in 2009 the Chinese offered to assemble the L-15. Now they are already offering to PRODUCE it under license on the same Odessa aircraft building.
        1. FID
          FID 17 November 2012 12: 34
          +5
          Here, yesterday I argued with ... it doesn't matter, they argued that without "smart uncles in expensive jackets" nothing happens. It turns out that these uncles are just pests! That's the whole assessment of "effective managers"!
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 November 2012 12: 44
            +1
            Greetings! This is yet another proof that the flood control model is not acceptable to Russia.
          2. VAF
            VAF 17 November 2012 14: 54
            +3
            Quote: SSI
            that without "smart uncles in expensive jackets"


            That's why they are expensive jackets, and you and I are now in ... old flight suits lol
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 18 November 2012 00: 09
              +1
              But in general I wanted to say that the Russian engineer should be in a blue coat with drawn pockets in arm ruffles and a take and then the thought will prevail over the money, in the end only knowledge is eternal, the rest is secondary, as my mentor said ...
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 18 November 2012 00: 18
                +1
                at 20 second words forever good
                1. igor67
                  igor67 18 November 2012 00: 36
                  +1
                  alex 241,
                  Hello Sasha drinks
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 18 November 2012 00: 37
                    +1
                    Hi Igor! How are you there? How is Sanya? drinks
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 18 November 2012 00: 39
                      0
                      alex 241,
                      Yes, when the mushrooms go. it was raining like nothing, heat is needed
                    2. igor67
                      igor67 18 November 2012 00: 42
                      +1
                      alex 241,
                      Yes, we’re waiting for the mushrooms to go. it was raining like nothing, heat is needed
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 00: 45
                        +1
                        Well, thank God, and then on the TV some kind of apocalypse! What is heard about the F-16? Knocked down or messed up?
                      2. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 00: 56
                        +1
                        alex 241,
                        Yes, silence, I have a question Sash started repairs with MI6A "theme", the equipment was stuffed with secret. What was its purpose?
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 01: 08
                        +1
                        Igor a heavy transport helicopter with this modification was equipped with new instrumentation, which is why it was classified as usual practice. Plus with an increased resource.
                      4. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 01: 15
                        0
                        alex 241,
                        interestingly, I remember that the sixes were disarmed for a long time, but I saw on TV they are on the takeoffs, the old man doesn’t even hear, I’m standing in the picture near the Ukrainian Air Force’s car, it’s not decommissioned, but it doesn’t fly either
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 01: 18
                        +2
                        since 2002 decommissioned
                      6. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 01: 31
                        0
                        alex 241,
                        according to the number on the tail boom, the car was 78 years old, on the main rotor hub a current collector, a heavy bastard, as I fell with it, the fifth point was sick laughing
                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 01: 36
                        +2
                        Hold Igor Eight laughing
                      8. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 01: 40
                        0
                        alex 241,
                        Sasha with the eight only dealt a year. Repair of control rods, rocking, and the assembly and adjustment of control pedals.
                      9. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 01: 43
                        +2
                        enjoy MI 6 A ............
                      10. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 01: 57
                        +2
                        alex 241,
                        it was with this pulmet if I remember correctly nouve 12, it has a pneumatic shutter, they poked me on the first day, they asked me to stand near the pulimet and pressed the bastards, it banged so that I fell on the concrete, the air pressure is high, I look damn and I remember youth, and on the autopile, there is such a knob on the handle, we twisted it, 100 grams of diluted alcohol there, and for the disco I took Arufosh flashlights from the six, ultraviolet illumination, it was cool from my girlfriend only underwear
                      11. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 02: 05
                        +3
                        It’s called dead light. Here’s Igor’s bosyatskiy avaton avatar. Look how youthful laughing
                      12. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 02: 10
                        +1
                        alex 241,
                        I like Ashka, my first was for the Libyan Air Force, then Vietnam, cool in the cockpit, spacious
                      13. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 02: 16
                        +2
                        At when the land sat down trembling.
                      14. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 02: 21
                        +1
                        alex 241,
                        I liked it, climbed through the hatch on the hoods, in the summer they heated up, lay down and admired how ELKs fly, beauty winked
                      15. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 02: 23
                        +1
                        I understand Chernigov? laughing
                      16. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 02: 49
                        +1
                        alex 241,
                        yes, l39 from the Chernigov school took off there behind the workshop
                      17. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 02: 17
                        0
                        but thanks, Sanya !!! I was somehow not attentive, but what did you fly on?
                      18. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 02: 21
                        +1
                        Mi 24 and Igor? A living old man. I unsubscribed to you in PM.
              2. igor67
                igor67 18 November 2012 00: 26
                +1
                klimpopov,
                and here I was a mechanic-assembler of an aircraft engine, I had a white coat and hat, and also white parade gloves, officers winked
                1. igor67
                  igor67 18 November 2012 01: 03
                  +2
                  here he is handsome, not me but mi6a "theme"
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 18 November 2012 01: 15
                    +1
                    There was another option, countering EW intelligence, but this is MI6 PP
  6. Splin
    Splin 17 November 2012 12: 43
    +1
    In general, the best TRAINING aircraft of this series is the M346, although if you put the AI-130-222 on the Yak-28, it will be equal to it. Just to lower the price somehow, but this can be done, if only there was a desire.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 17 November 2012 17: 59
      0
      If yes koby. Ukrainian engine supersonic. It means eating more kerosene, more expensive, a less resource, is more capricious in exploitation. If you want sports in this regard.
      And now the question is, is this all necessary for pilot training?
      Regarding the Chinese, any piece of iron is carving through the ass, metal is a one-time design, the attitude to quality is national poh ... What kind of planes, spaceships, pepelatsi, drushlags would learn to do.
      1. Splin
        Splin 17 November 2012 18: 10
        +2
        As for the Chinese de ... it's a stereotype. invented by PR specialists of the Russian and Ukrainian car industry. I have a 4-wheeled Chinese. My wife also only has a minivan. I know what I am saying. It's the same with airplanes. And about AI-222. They are replaced only by Chinese or Italian. The 28th model can really develop 1,2M without afterburner. Reliability is even better than the "Italian" Those who buy Czech L-153 prefer these engines. They are more reliable. Especially in a single engine car.
  7. bremest
    bremest 17 November 2012 13: 03
    0
    Advanced managers from the Moscow Region solved the sale of buildings and land and profiled the Yak-130.
    1. Splin
      Splin 17 November 2012 13: 22
      +6
      It’s not only Russian oak mines such Ukrainian in the same way. Anyway, all Russian (not to be confused with Russian) bureaucrats derive only permanent benefit ..
      Not a military example. ZAZ produced 4 years ago 250 thousand cars. Let it be in most of Tavria, but there was a demand. Changed the lineup. Now the cheapest of their line is Chance. And they began to produce only 65 cars. Although they began to receive much more money, half of the cars began to go for export to Russia. Now Russia has introduced a recycling fee and the owners of ZAZ have driven themselves into a trap. Ukrainians do not buy them in bulk - because they are not cheap. The Chinese are capturing the Ukrainian car market with cheaper cars. And they are not inferior in quality or even better. Doesn't the story with the Yak-130 ?? *
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 17 November 2012 14: 10
        +1
        Quote: Splin
        Doesn't the story with the Yak-130 ?? *

        Very much! +
        Quote: Splin
        The Chinese are capturing the Ukrainian car market with cheaper cars.

        By the way, in the PRC itself, almost all taxis - VW or Skoda (the same Volkswagen), are true and Koreans, but mostly the same Germans. Chinese cars among taxis occupy no more than 10%. I think it says a lot.
        1. Splin
          Splin 17 November 2012 14: 22
          +1
          All Folts Boomers and other Europeans are produced domestically as well as the Russian Solaris. A lot of domestic cars go there. You just need to look not in Beijing or Shanghai, but in simpler cities.
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 17 November 2012 15: 01
            +2
            Quote: Splin
            in cities is simpler.

            In cities, it is easier to travel mainly Kia and Hyundai. Well, there are all sorts of misunderstandings like Qi Li, but mostly the foreign auto industry.
            Quote: Splin
            produced domestically like the Russian Solaris

            Here you are right! +
            Only the share of localization is 100%.
            It seems to me that soon there will be nothing to argue with you about - in the near future, all of China (as well as third world countries) will ride Chinese electric cars. You should be aware that the main manufacturer of electric scooters is China. And there, and to electric cars at hand.
  8. Spooky
    Spooky 17 November 2012 14: 01
    -1
    Korean seems reliable, and it must be taken!
  9. Splin
    Splin 17 November 2012 16: 18
    +2
    Here is a new Chinese ...
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 17 November 2012 16: 24
      +2
      Quote: Splin
      Here is a new Chinese ...

      So there it is written in a photo like HAL ... Is this, in my opinion, an Indian ???
      For photo +
      1. Splin
        Splin 17 November 2012 16: 29
        +1
        That's right, my jamb. There, on the forum, the Indians simply argue with the Chinese and posted this photo on a Chinese air show. And I did not read and burst.
      2. FID
        FID 17 November 2012 17: 10
        +3
        Quote: Gamar
        This is, in my opinion, an Indian ???

        On the tail boom it says: INDIAN AIR FORSE.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 17 November 2012 17: 33
      +2
      Quote: Splin
      Here is a new Chinese ...

      Would you like to place this photo?
      1. FID
        FID 17 November 2012 18: 37
        +3
        Yes, this is a new Chinese. But he has problems above the roof!
  10. Lissyara
    Lissyara 17 November 2012 17: 38
    0
    You certainly won't get bored with the Sinies. They are masters to copy, but due to the lack of a flight of thought, some things cannot be brought to the end. Dear SSI, I think I will agree with me, especially with regard to engines and onboard REA. Here they are (I wanted to say how before China cancer smile )
    Does that remind you of anything?
  11. Splin
    Splin 17 November 2012 17: 41
    +2
    Chinese analog AI 222-25F for L-15 (JL-10). Although the Chinese ordered 200 engines in Zaporozhye, nothing prevents them from breaking the contract. Remember the Su-30.

  12. Splin
    Splin 17 November 2012 18: 12
    +2
    And blacks like FC-1!
  13. viewer
    viewer 18 November 2012 00: 43
    +1
    Training and combat aircraft Yak-130 (subsonic):
    Maximum speed at altitude, km / h 1050
    Practical range, km 1850

    Hongdu L-15 (supersonic):
    Engine type 2 turbofan WS-11
    The maximum speed, km / h 1486 (M = 1.4)
    Ferry range, km 3000

    The L-15 has more in common with the supersonic KAI T-50B Golden Eagle