"Not vilna" Bukovina - all of a sudden it rises up, explodes

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"Not vilna" Bukovina - all of a sudden it rises up, explodes


You may not be Romanian


It is believed that Western Ukraine is almost completely loyal to Kyiv. If there are still a lot of questions about Transcarpathia in this sense, then Bukovina is beyond suspicion. Alas, but people who do not know very well think so history and ethnic specificity of the region.



The fact is that now, in addition to Russia, the interests of three countries at once may clash there: Ukraine, Romania and Moldova. Most of Bukovina, together with Chernivtsi, was first part of the Moldavian principality, then in the Bessarabian province of the Russian Empire.

Quite a different situation with Gertsaevsky district. In 1939, when the Moldovan and Ukrainian territories that belonged to Romania were returned, it was annexed to Ukraine, clearly by mistake, and perhaps because of someone's greed.


This region was never part of the Russian Empire. If the population of Bessarabian Bukovina has always been mixed, with a significant Ukrainian component, then there are very few Ukrainians in Hertsa even now. The bulk of the population there are Romanians.

What is characteristic is that even now, when the Romanian language is taught in the schools of the region instead of the Cyrillic Moldovan language, which is also taught in Transnistria, the authorities failed to unify the self-identification of Romanians and Moldovans. For example, in Gertsaevsky, Glyboksky and partially Storozhinetsky districts, the Romanian-speaking population considers themselves unequivocally Romanians.

In the eastern regions of the region, the majority are Moldovans, who do not even agree to be Romanians. At the same time, however, many of the local national intelligentsia still tend to consider themselves Romanians. But just as there was no such mass self-identification in Austria-Hungary and the USSR, there is no such thing now.

And this is how everything is even in Moldova, and even more so in Ukraine it has not been and will not be, no matter how Kyiv puffed up. Everything is complicated by the fact that Ukraine is unlikely to be satisfied if the Bukovinian Moldovans begin to recognize themselves as Romanians.

After all, this small Moldova does not pose a particular threat to Ukraine, now it is almost an ally. But Romania could theoretically create problems for Ukrainian territorial integrity.

Do not mix bacon with hominy


Do not confuse the situation of Bukovina and Transcarpathia.

Hungarians and Romanians are very different in mentality. If the Hungarians remember the times of their kingdom, as well as what they achieved even as part of the Austrian Empire, then the Romanians are calmer, and they do not have so many ambitions.


The overthrow of the dictator Ceausescu in Romania began precisely because of the Szekely Hungarians there, and specifically because of the repression of the Catholic Church in Transylvania. And the Hungarian uprisings against Soviet power were fundamentally different from the Czech and Polish events.

If they only went to rallies with anti-Soviet slogans, then the Hungarians gouged out the eyes of Soviet officers. One can also recall the fighters of the GDR army, who raged the most in Prague, apparently taking revenge for the deportation of the German diaspora from Czechoslovakia, specifically, about how they behaved in Hungary.

So, in Budapest, the East Germans were quiet and calm, obviously out of fear of running into the troubles that the Soviet army ran into. Therefore, in Transcarpathia, there will clearly not be the massive expansion that Budapest, which supports Russia and Putin, is trying to pull off.

Romania will not take tough measures in Bukovina, considering, among other things, the fact that, unlike Hungary, it is financially dependent on the European Union. It should not be forgotten that Bukovina, although partially populated by Romanians and Moldovans, still belongs to Western Ukraine.

At the same time, with the exception of Hertsa, Hlyboka and Novoselytsya, the majority of the population of the Chernivtsi region is still Ukrainians. And many of them are quite nationalistic, although, of course, in Chernivtsi the degree of nationalism is less pronounced than in Lvov and Ivano-Frankivsk.

And where is that Kyiv?


Therefore, not all local Ukrainians like the growth of self-awareness of the Romanian-speaking population in Bukovina. Even during the Maidan in Novoselitsa, in particular, signs with names in Romanian were torn down, or they were painted with Ukrainian curses.

Such conflicts have become a new phenomenon in the region; until recently, relations between Ukrainians, Moldovans and Romanians were quite peaceful. Such incidents were not observed even during the Transnistrian war, when Ukrainian nationalists supported the unrecognized republic, considering it Ukrainian land.

By the way, there were no conflicts between Ukrainians and Moldovans in Moldova itself. At the same time, you should not mix the Izmail region and Bukovina. Both of them are the territories of the former Bessarabian province. But in the Odessa region, the percentage of Moldovans is less than in Bukovina, Romanians and Moldovans combined.

This is not to mention the fact that Ukrainian nationalism is less pronounced in the Odessa region than in Chernivtsi. In Izmail, the annexation of Bessarabia by Romania was perceived extremely negatively, which resulted in the Tatarbunary uprising.

In Chernivtsi, the Romanian occupation was perceived much more calmly. Even now, local residents show Romanian manhole covers to city guests, giving this relic a rather positive meaning with a touch of pride.


Chernivtsi have never claimed any special position within Ukraine. Another thing is the Izmail region, which in 1991 demanded autonomy, however, then the requirements dropped only to the Bolgrad Autonomous Okrug, inhabited by Bulgarians and Gagauz, and then disappeared altogether.

"Freedom" of a different kind


In Chernivtsi, most of the city council consists of representatives of the nationalist Svoboda. And this is in the city, beyond which Romanian and Moldovan villages begin almost immediately.

The ban on teaching at school in the languages ​​of national minorities is also likely to play its role: the Romanian language is now taught as an elective, which cannot but please its speakers, who have long sought to expand national education.

Territorial claims to Bukovina have always been an unspoken official position of Bucharest. But now it has come to a precedent that smacks of an international scandal. A map of Romania was placed in the Bucharest metro, on which both Chernivtsi and Izmail are included in its territory.

As for the distribution of Romanian passports to the residents of Bukovina, this has been happening for a long time, despite the protests of the regional administration. Moreover, citizenship is given not to ethnic Romanians, but to all Ukrainian citizens whose ancestors lived in the region before 1939.

At the same time, for citizens of Moldova in Romania, an even more radical practice is applied, citizenship is granted in the order of registration after passing some tests for knowledge of the language, culture and history of the lands on the other side of the Prut.

But there was also a loophole for foreigners wishing to penetrate the European Union. This is when a program for granting citizenship by investment was adopted in Moldova for some time. The difficult economic situation in Ukraine will inevitably lead to even more people wishing to obtain a Romanian passport.

Patriots of Cheremosh and Prut


This does not speak of a mass exodus of Bukovinians to the EU countries: they are too patriotic about their “land of Cheremosh and Prut”. But they will definitely not go to work in Kyiv and Lvov. If we add the distribution of Hungarian passports in Transcarpathia, then there will be even more migrant workers.

Only now the military prosecutor's office of Ukraine began to check the number of its residents with dual citizenship. Data on the citizens of Romania (and other countries) are not declassified, but, judging by the reaction of the representatives of the prosecutor's office, they were shocked by them.

The memory of Romania's attempt to capture the strategically important Serpent's Island is still alive with the Ukrainian military. And now, due to their carelessness, the Ukrainian authorities may find themselves between two fires: on the one hand, Russia, which is unlikely to return the territories under its control, on the other, Romania and Hungary.

There is a different kind of conversation about them - the two countries, not agreeing with each other, are pursuing a foreign policy towards Ukraine not by force weapons, but "quiet glanders". Recall that the position of Romania, unlike Hungary, is unambiguously anti-Russian.


However, this does not mean at all that it will take into account the interests of Ukraine weakened by military actions. Despite the fact that Romanian mercenaries and volunteers fought in their time in Transnistria, two facts should be noted.

Firstly, Romania has never promoted its interests in a military way (even the conflict around the Snake Island did not end with full-fledged military actions). Otherwise, she would have been able to annex Moldova long ago with the help of local unionists.

Secondly, in Transnistria, the Romanians fought not only against the unrecognized republic and Russia, but also against Ukrainian volunteers, in particular from the UNA-UNSO.

Therefore, it would be a mistake for Ukraine to flatter itself because of criticism of Russia's actions from the Romanian side.
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  1. +3
    February 23 2023
    Thanks to the author for helping to understand the ethnic intricacies in Western Ukraine and in particular Bukovina. We conclude that
    You may not be Romanian
    , but "Ukrainian" must be.
  2. +8
    February 23 2023
    Who will ask all these districts, districts, republics? Their Wishlist hegemon is not interested. As they say, so they will live. The powers that be decide, not so long ago the USSR decided.
  3. 0
    February 23 2023
    thanks to the authors for the article, but in today's world no one needs territories just like that - agriculture with fertilizers allows you to feed more people from a smaller area, and there are no unique mineral deposits there, the population is declining ... so if the United States does not come up with another adventure , then everything will remain as it is ...
    1. +4
      February 23 2023
      Quote: Vladimir80
      in today's world, no one needs territories just like that - agriculture with fertilizers allows you to feed more people from a smaller area, and there are no unique mineral deposits there

      You are partly right, but still there is a tendency to increase the population of the planet, and if there is an agricultural surplus, they become an export commodity and an item of income, so there is no extra land. In addition, not every 100 years there is a historical chance to return their historical lands, and therefore, given the weakness of Ukraine, for its neighbors to take advantage of this chance, "there is a great temptation." winked
    2. +7
      February 23 2023
      Vladimir80 (Vladimir80). Today, 06:48. NEW - "... thanks to the authors for the article, but in today's world, no one needs territories just like that ... "


      Oh how! Tell this to "not perished" Poland ...
      Yes, and the Hungarians with the Romanians will "appreciate" you.
      No.

      How to listen entirely to international experts with an emphasis on agriculture. feel How not to remember - "... Do you want to be the best in this square - nesting!"

      There have been many conversations before. What for a long time it was necessary to "beat" the option of "coordination" at least with the Hungarians. as a reaction to the oppression of ethnic Hungarians with their capture and sending to war with the Russian Federation. about the "entry" of the Hungarian Armed Forces to the territory of Ukraine agreed with it and the Russian Federation. fellow
      Depending on the "value" of Galicia (Westerners) - the territory. "Run the Poles. Etc.
      Benefit!? The process will go - Poland will be "rushed". Hungary and Romania. Holy thing is sweet. Here you can forget about the "owner" (USA). What will the US do to them? Nothing. But. At a minimum, they will "enter" the outskirts. The Bandera people immediately have "deja vu" - memories of "return". what about the Poles. that of the Hungarians and Romanians. And those on the outskirts sneeze. This is both territory and land, and in their own countries what kind of AUTHORITY will be. bully They will have a dump-coupler both in NATO and with Bandera. probably. But. attract anyway. distract and PUSH.
      Benefit is LIKELY. Question. where WORK on the topic. request
      In the USA and China remember:
      The Art of War by Sun Tzu one of the oldest military treatises on the art of strategy.
      1. '..That's why
      the best war is to smash the enemy's plans;
      in the next place - to break his alliances;
      in the next place - to break his troops.
      The worst thing is to besiege fortresses. .."


      2. "...If a war is waged and the victory drags on, the weapon becomes blunted and the points break off; if a fortress is besieged for a long time, the forces are undermined; if the army is left in the field for a long time, the state does not have enough funds ... "
  4. +4
    February 23 2023
    Moldavians, Romanians, Hungarians, ho mixed up in a bunch. chly and necessarily gypsies ... laughing
  5. +4
    February 23 2023
    The collapse of the country that no longer exists, continues?
    1. +2
      February 23 2023
      The collapse of the country that no longer exists, continues?

      Guys, everyone - Happy Holidays! drinks Both those who served and those who did not serve, and especially those who donate funds for the NWO! It's... Yes, it's very important. soldier And, especially, good luck to our soldiers. May they return safe and sound. soldier
      I hope peace will come...

  6. +8
    February 23 2023
    Quote: Vladimir80
    thanks to the authors for the article, but in today's world no one needs territories just like that - agriculture with fertilizers allows you to feed more people from a smaller area, and there are no unique mineral deposits there, the population is declining ... so if the United States does not come up with another adventure , then everything will remain as it is ...

    If we talk about the claims of Hungary, Poland and Romania on part of the territories of Ukraine, then it is obvious that you have not been to either Truskavets or Mukachevo or Uzhgorod. And this is the Carpathians and the beginning of Transcarpathia, only from the other side. And this is one of the most beautiful places in Europe! Only the Ukrainian authorities did not invest anything there for thirty years, but only plundered and robbed. If you compare only the resort Truskavets with the resort, for example, Kislovodsk, then for thirty years Kislovodsk is now a chic resort, and Truskavets is just a hole! Although thirty years ago, it was the other way around.
    By the way , the Ukrainians believed that the Soviet government was utterly sick because it did not touch the beech forests in the Carpathians . After all, beech is a very expensive wood. And the Ukrainians began to cut beech forests in the Carpathians and the Carpathian mountains began to crawl and collapse. After all, beech is a very moisture-intensive tree and it sucked moisture out of the soil, thus keeping the slopes of the Carpathian Mountains from landslides. By the way, the local Hungarian population living in the Ukrainian part of the Carpathians started shouting about this and complained about this to the Hungarian government. The Ukrainian authorities responded to Hungarian concerns about beech forests in the Carpathians with a fig in their pocket, so Hungary had to turn to UNESCO and only from there calmed the forelock cutters of beech forests in the Carpathians.
    1. +7
      February 23 2023
      Quote: north 2
      . And this is the Carpathians and the beginning of Transcarpathia, only from the other side. And this is one of the most beautiful places in Europe!

      And Chernivtsi? It is a beautiful city with unique architecture. I personally fell in love with him. Of course Sevastopol (my native city) is a hundred times more beautiful! A lot of our retirees settled in Chernivtsi. So, do not give anything to any Romanians, Hungarians.
      1. +1
        February 24 2023
        Quote: 30 vis
        A lot of our retirees settled in Chernivtsi. So, do not give anything to any Romanians, Hungarians.

        This is true. In the city, out of 270, more than 10% speak only Russian, 50% are bilingual, and another 20% communicate easily in three languages. Almost everyone can speak Russian (even now). Yes, there are Romanian villages, and almost outside the city, where the old people do not know a word of Ukrainian or Russian, but the neighboring village is already Ukrainian, and then there are Russian villages (yes, yes, Old Believers).
        And no one wants to go to Romania there, a passport was needed only for easier registration for work in the EEC countries. People know very well how life is in Romania, and well, it's out of the gate.
        It will never be like, people used to say, in Russia. This article is a little childish.
        1. +1
          February 25 2023
          Quote: haron
          And no one wants to go to Romania there, a passport was needed only for easier registration for work in the EEC countries. People know very well how life is in Romania, and well, it's out of the gate.
          It will never be like, people used to say, in Russia. This article is a little childish.

          Man did not live obviously in these parts. Does not understand the breath of Bukovina .. This is our land! Our Russian is Ukrainian, Slavic at the end. ends. Beautiful, sonorous, like a stream - a stream, a stream; a stream of air, light, a trickle from a spring ... Yes
  7. +2
    February 23 2023
    Who can explain what this means:
    But in the Odessa region, the percentage of Moldovans is less than in Bukovina, Romanians and Moldovans combined.

    and here it is:
    the Romanian language is now taught as an elective, which cannot but please its native speakers,

    ?
    Thank you.
    1. +1
      February 24 2023
      Quote: NikolayDS
      Who can explain what this means:

      The author tries to count all the Romance speakers. That is, first Romania sucks Moldova, and then wakes up Romania Mare .... It sucks all the territories with Romance speakers. It's like Ukraine nibyto wants Kuban.
      There are not enough fools everywhere, but why pass off the thoughts of schizophrenics as some kind of political will of states. ..Although there are examples.
      Quote: NikolayDS
      the Romanian language is now taught as an elective, which cannot but please its native speakers,

      Niby, all Moldovan and Romanian-language schools were closed and everything is transmitted orally))))
      Yeah. Close the Romanian school in the same Hertz ... well, well.
  8. +1
    February 23 2023
    Who would only share Ukraine with the great geopoliticians. For some reason, Poland has not yet occupied Lvov, and so they hoped. So maybe at least the Romanians with the Moldovans will attack Chernivtsi.
  9. +7
    February 23 2023
    So, in Budapest, the East Germans were quiet and calm,
    Authors, have you ever studied history? It remains only to find out when the GDR were in Budapest? In the autumn of 1956, the Soviet Army dealt with the outrageous Magyars on its own, without allies. The allies were in Czechoslovakia in 1968, it was there that the East Germans very intelligibly and quickly put the Czechs in their place, and our "fraternal Czech people" were sorry.
    1. +1
      February 23 2023
      Quote: Aviator_
      the East Germans very intelligibly and quickly put the Czechs in their place, and our "fraternal Czech people" were sorry.

      Served in Czechoslovakia. How legends told about the actions of the GDR army. - like - the Germans rolled up their sleeves, from the stomach they fired from machine guns at those whom ours tried to persuade ..
      1. +9
        February 23 2023
        How legends told about the actions of the GDR army. - like - the Germans rolled up their sleeves, from the stomach they fired from machine guns at those whom ours tried to persuade ..
        Also aware of these stories. Well, the first turn from the stomach was on top of the heads, and who didn’t understand, then the second one was lower. There was a story about how two autobattalions - ours and the GDRovsky were passing through the Czech village, it was necessary to top up the radiators. Suddenly there were no buckets in the village, ours began to show "soldier's ingenuity" - to make containers from improvised means. The Germans did not bother, the officer built the village and they began to transfer water from the well to the cars with glasses. After 5 minutes, the buckets were suddenly found, but the German said that he was quite satisfied with the current situation and the Czechs tried for about an hour for their stupidity.
    2. 0
      February 24 2023
      Authors generally write a lot from the bulldozer.
      In order to obtain Romanian citizenship, citizens of Moldova in the same way need to have ancestors who lived in the former Romanian territories before 1939.
  10. +3
    February 24 2023
    on the one hand, Russia, which is unlikely to return the territories under its control, on the other, Romania and Hungary.

    These are the same inventions as those that Medvedchuk told about how they would come out with flowers to meet them. Especially funny about the Hungarian army in the amount of just over 20 thousand people. Will they go with these forces to Ukraine, losing the right to cover NATO?
    There will be no participation of Romania and Hungary in this process, rather, NATO troops will appear in these countries, and without them no one will make any disturbances. Everyone understands this very well.
    The memory of Romania's attempt to capture the strategically important Serpent's Island is still alive with the Ukrainian military.

    There was never any attempt to capture Serpent Island by Romania. The authors are just imagining things.
    1. +1
      February 24 2023
      There was never any attempt to capture Serpent Island by Romania.


      Apparently, according to the author, the "attempt to capture" is the Romanians' claim to the International Court of Justice in 2004 to recognize the Snake Island legally not as an island, but as a rock?
      This is strange, because the Romanians, even in their lawsuit, did not claim this territory in any way.
  11. +3
    February 24 2023
    In order to blaze somewhere, you need to carry out the appropriate work for this, as the blasphemous sga do. And without this, this article is about the same as articles about Kyiv in 4 days, or it’s winter and without our gas everyone will freeze.
  12. +1
    February 24 2023
    The memory of Romania's attempt to capture the strategically important Serpent's Island is still alive with the Ukrainian military.


    There was no "capture attempt".
    There was legal chicanery in the courts.
    Romanians in 2004 tried to prove that Serpentine is not an island, but a rock. Ukrainian territory, but a rock. Based on the fact that there are no sources of fresh water on Serpentine!

    The case was considered by the UN ICC in The Hague at the request of Romania. 16 judges in The Hague tried for more than 4 years and finally in 2009 delivered a verdict - after all, this is an island, not a rock!
    At the same time, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has already stated in advance that the Ukrainian side will accept and implement any decision on the Serpentine, which will be taken by the ICC.
    Both Romanians and Ukrainians agreed with the decision of the ICC and called it their victory....
  13. +2
    February 25 2023
    I was in Chernivtsi in training in 1986. I went on leave a couple of times. The city was quite Russian-speaking. Only occasionally could one hear Ukrainian or Romanian speech, and even then it was more like a "surzhik". Signboards in the city are in Russian. Even in eastern Kharkiv there were more signs in Ukrainian.
  14. 0
    February 26 2023
    It will be so. Whoever got up first and slippers.

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