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The glow of the fire in the Middle East once again highlights the double standards of the West

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The fire ignited in the Middle East continues to burn. The real war broke out this time not in Syria itself, but not far from it. Israel, under the pretext of combating terrorism, launched aggression against the Gaza Strip.

France, the United Kingdom, and the United States have already placed the responsibility only on the Palestinian side and have declared that Israel has the right to defend itself.

And again we are witnessing double standards: Israel, therefore, has the right to defend itself, and neighboring Syria - no? Syria has already 20 months protects itself from terrorists, and, in a much more humane way for civilians. But the Syrian President is declared an international outcast, and the leadership of Israel is a priori innocent.

Moreover, the Hamas movement, which in the Syrian conflict has sided with the so-called “rebels,” shares the extremist beliefs of the Muslim Brotherhood, which also have a huge influence on the Syrian opposition. According to the logic of the Western countries, it turns out that when these extremists and radical Islamists act against the legitimate government of Syria, they are good and they should be fully supported. When they are in Palestine, it’s permissible for Israel to fight against them, even at the cost of the lives of innocent Palestinians.

The West behaves in this way not for the first time. Even Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, leading the battle with the illegitimate Hague Tribunal, noted that when radical Islamists acted in the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija, the West welcomed them in every way, and when the same people fought with the Americans in Afghanistan, they were imprisoned in Guanatanamo. After more than a decade, the same situation is repeated.

Unlike the imperialist states, Syria, like many other Arab countries, as well as Russia, Iran, and China, condemned Israel’s aggressive actions under the pretext of fighting terrorism, which killed innocent people. ATS leadership expressed its condolences to the families of the victims and reaffirmed that the Palestinian people have the right to self-determination.

In this light, the position of the League of Arab States looks particularly unattractive, which, instead of expressing solidarity with its Arab brothers dying under Israeli fire, is occupied with actions against the country that was one of the founding members of the Arab League - Syria.
After a new “opposition” structure was created in Qatar instead of the old, exhausted “Istanbul Council”, the Gulf countries and France were quick to recognize it. Now Turkey has joined this recognition, which recognized this “Qatari coalition”, many of whose members were not in Syria long ago and forgot what it looks like, the only representative of the Syrian people.

Obama is still cautious, at least in public. He said that the United States would not rush to recognize this “Qatari coalition” as the Syrian government. Either this is hypocrisy, or Washington’s right hand doesn’t know what his left hand is doing. After all, this coalition was created at the direct appeal of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and tailored for her pattern.

But the leadership of France - a country that was one of the instigators of last year’s barbaric attack on Libya - now intends to increase support for the Syrian militants and turn its weapons from tacit fact into frank. During the time that has passed since the bloody days of the bombing of Libya, the leadership in France has changed, but the colonial essence remains the same. Hollande does not want to learn from the bitter experience of his predecessor Sarkozy and comes to the same rake - so the “left” join up with the “right” as soon as it comes to punishing recalcitrant countries that do not want to obey international dictate.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich condemned the intentions of Western countries, particularly France, to increase support for armed terrorists in Syria, referring to the UN General Assembly’s Declaration on Principles of International Law adopted in 1970, which prohibits some countries to support or finance armed actions aimed at forced change authorities in another country. In addition, the declarations of France strongly contradict the spirit of the Geneva accords and the Kofi Annan plan, recognized by the UN Security Council, whose mission is being continued by Al-Ibrahimi.

But the West has not for the first time been disrupting the reached peace accords, taking part in the crimes of the militants and thus Mara and his hands with blood.
Militants taking advantage of such a high "roof" continue their brutal atrocities. "Opposition" seeks to destroy, above all, the color of the nation - educated people, intellectuals, artists, engineers, specialists. So, on November 12 in the city of Homs an attempt was made on the engineers of Hisuya Khaled Saad al-Din and Yusef Ibrahim Tlas. Terrorists fired at their car. This time the attempt did not reach its goal, but the driver Yusef Mahmoud Tlas was killed.

On November 13, not far from the town of Muhanbal, in the province of Idleb, a number of officials made an inspection trip in order to familiarize themselves with how the bridge, destroyed by terrorists, is being repaired. The gangsters shot the car in which they were driving and, as a result, Abdel-Razak Al-Youssef, director of the branch of the General Directorate of Road Transport, died.

14 November, gangsters staged an explosion in the Mezze quarter, near a shopping center. Only by a miracle there were no casualties, but material damage was caused to nearby buildings.

On the same day, criminals subjected mortar shelling of civilians at home. One projectile was fired near the Umayyad Mosque, three more - in the residential district of Dahiya Al-Asad. A few apartments of civilians are destroyed, and only by luck, there are no victims.

But the blood was shed in Yarmuk camp in Damascus. For the umpteenth time the place of residence of Palestinian refugees came under fire. Six people died.
On the same day, on November 14, in Aleppo, civilians launched a rally of support for the Syrian army to Sheikh Lutfi Square. Such actions in a city whose inhabitants do not accept pseudo-revolutions are not uncommon. Militants are very angry at this position of the inhabitants of the city, and they open fire on such actions, not sparing either women or children. So this time the brave demonstrators were shot at. Three women and four children are injured.

In Homs, in Al-Waar, terrorists detonated a bomb near the exhibition complex. Their victims were two children. Six people, including a woman, were injured.

On the Damascus-Aleppo highway, militants stole humanitarian aid from the Red Crescent, which was intended for civilians of Idleb and Aleppo. Three trucks with 15 tons of food, medicine, and other goods needed by suffering people were hijacked by "fighters for democracy."

15 November in the province Idleb on the road between the cities of Erich and Serakeb criminals staged a deadly explosion. Two civilians were killed, three more were wounded. Three more bombs the bandits wanted to lay in the city of Ham, but, fortunately, these attempts were foiled, which means that several lives were saved.
And this “opposition” is supported by the countries of the West, it is considered “noble rebels” and they are going to provide more weaponsin order to shed more blood, more women and children would die. Does the West really not see their atrocities? Just in the offices of Paris and London, Washington and Ankara there are frozen cynics who, despite the blood and sacrifices, the sufferings and tears of civilians in Syria, continue to go over their heads to their plans, and their hatred for a small country that does not want to submit to their will. , eclipsed for them all human values ​​and legal norms.

Serious representative of Syria to the United Nations, Bashar Al-Jafari, pointed to flagrant violations of Western countries, speaking at a meeting of the UN General Assembly in New York, at which the report of the UN Human Rights Council was discussed. This report was extremely one-sided, it contained charges only against the Syrian army and did not condemn the barbaric crimes of anti-Syrian terrorists in a single letter. But one can only wonder how the poison of the hateful language addressed to Syria does not burn the paper on which this report is written.

Al-Jafari has accused Western countries of privatizing the UN Human Rights Council and using it for purposes for which it was not intended. Instead of the true protection of human rights, there is a unilateral accusation of the Syrian state. “Guardians for the rights of the Syrians” do not want to notice the suffering of the citizens of the SAR from unilateral economic sanctions that exacerbate the economic and humanitarian situation in the country, he said.

The representative of Syria to the UN called on the aforementioned Council to demand that the states that are accomplices to terrorism stop actions directed against the Syrian people, shedding their blood and turning the inhabitants of Syrian cities into refugees. Will this call be heard? Judging by the double standards of the West - no. But nations must have their say and demand that their governments stop using taxpayers' money to finance barbarians and murderers.
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  1. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 17 November 2012 09: 22
    +12
    What can I say? The West recognizes only one truth that is beneficial to it.
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 17 November 2012 10: 35
      +5
      Quote: IlyaKuv
      What can I say? The West recognizes only one truth that is beneficial to it.

      Not only the West, everyone suffers from this. Here the whole hitch is how to analyze the situation without having truthful information from any of the parties "they beat some others, they bit". After watching the news without a sound, everything becomes clear and understandable, they hate each other and they figure it out as best they can. Israel lives only as long as all Muslims are scattered "even the planets sometimes line up in one line" which sooner or later will happen in the Middle East and then America with all NATO countries will not be able to help.
    2. Ruslan
      Ruslan 18 November 2012 14: 47
      +1
      Here is a fairly competent article about the events in Palistine
      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/149395-kuda-duet-veter-iz-sirii.html
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 18 November 2012 17: 33
      +5
      IDF expenses on the first stage of the "Cloud Pillar": 50-70 million shekels per day

      The Yisrael HaYom newspaper writes on Sunday that each Palestinian missile intercepted by the Iron Dome missile system costs the IDF 250 shekels, and a combat flight with strikes against targets in the Gaza Strip costs from 500 to 750 shekels (The Marker today publishes another estimate of the cost of launching one Iron Dome anti-missile: 140 shekels).

      It is also reported that an hour of UAV operation costs the army budget of 10 thousand shekels, and the departure of a combat helicopter is about 100 thousand shekels.

      However, the biggest expense item, Israel HaYom notes, is the mobilization of reservists. The publication writes that the cost of mobilizing 16 thousand reservists for one week is about 112 million shekels. Mobilizing 75 reservists will cost 525 million shekels per week.

      According to the author of the publication Zeev Klein, every day of the first stage of Operation Cloud Pillar costs the IDF 50-70 million shekels, depending on the intensity of Palestinian terrorists' rocket attacks on Israeli territory and the number of combat missions carried out by the IDF Air Force.

      Perhaps this estimate is underestimated. According to the IDF, about 270 missiles were intercepted in the first four days of the operation. The IDF claims that over 1.000 targets in Gaza were hit during the four days of the operation, and the Air Force mainly operated. However, it is impossible to give an average estimate of the cost of hitting a target in Gaza due to insufficient information.

      Recall that in 2009, at the end of Operation Cast Lead, which took five weeks, the IDF's expenses were estimated at 2,4 billion shekels.

      The above data refer only to direct expenditures from the budget of the Ministry of Defense. Civil expenses, including the elimination of damage, the payment of compensation to victims and lost work days can exceed one billion shekels. Damage to the country's economy in the event of a large-scale ground operation is estimated at 0,3% of annual GDP.

      Meanwhile, The Marker newspaper reports that large enterprises complain of labor shortages as a result of the mass mobilization of reservists and are asking to free workers from key positions from participating in the military operation.


      http://newsru.co.il/finance/18nov2012/alut301.html
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 18 November 2012 18: 24
        +1
        I forgot to indicate the course for 100 dollars can be exchanged 395 shekels
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 18 November 2012 19: 02
        +6
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Each Palestinian missile intercepted by the Iron Dome missile system costs the IDF 250 shekels

        And here is what they intercept, yesterday already laid out, somewhere gone, probably a virus ... request
        1. Professor
          Professor 18 November 2012 19: 27
          -1
          What did you not put Grad and Fajar? Forgot? wink

          1. Kaa
            Kaa 18 November 2012 20: 09
            +3
            Quote: Professor

            What did you not put Grad and Fajar? Forgot?

            I didn’t know ... I used to trust the most honest Israeli media in the world ... belay about "Grad" - they mention, about the rest of the bells and whistles, which you kindly demonstrate - no gu-gu-judge for yourself:
            "The Iron Dome is twice as expensive as previously thought
            The IDF finally confirmed what has been rumored for a long time: the Iron Dome is designed to fire not one, but two missiles, on each enemy missile, and this is not a glitch. Hence the interception 200-dollar Kassama costs $ 250 thousand
            January 01, 2012 Placed in the army
            Vulnerability of the Iron Dome Demonstrated
            PID found a weak spot in the Iron Dome. The week before last, this system missed most missiles fired from Gaza, because they were launched almost simultaneously. Rebels used Grad systems, truck mounted, most likely sourced from Libya.
            It would be nice if the IDF explained to the population how many Iron Dome missiles can be intercepted as much as possible - in practice, and not in theory.
            November 21, 2011 Placed in the war in Gaza
            The Iron Dome is not a panacea
            At the moment The Iron Dome in the Negev intercepted less than 10% of the missiles launched in Israel, and the batteries weren’t used at all against mortar attacks. And no wonder: the distance is too small, the batteries are too few and the missile defense is too expensive to fire at probable targets.
            The first experience of operating the Dome confirmed our fears: the military intercepted the Grad rocket launched at Ashkelon and no longer responded with strikes against Gaza, as they had before when the enemy attacked large cities. This leads to escalation, because Muslims see that they can gain PR points easily and with impunity.
            April 11, 2011 Placed in the army
            Israel is trapped in an iron dome
            After the Arab bombardment of Grad rockets by Ashkelon, the IDF promised to supply an additional Iron Dome battery in the south. This is a stupid decision.
            In terms of containment, a more correct answer would be to bombard the cities of Gaza. Let not cities, but at least the administrative buildings of Hamas. By deploying anti-missile batteries, we will encourage Arabs to launch even more missiles in our cities, because they will know: since cities are protected, the population will not suffer; and since the population does not suffer, the IDF will not inflict serious punitive blows. This is a classic problem: effective defense leads to escalation of the conflict.
            Moreover, the Iron Dome will not be able to effectively repel shelling from mortars. Perhaps it will be turned off altogether due to astronomical expenses. This will lead to a deterioration in defense. As a result, the Jews will lose twice: the conflict escalated, and the defense worsened.
            April 05, 2011 Posted in featured, the war in Gaza is a resource like yours ... http: //samsonblinded.org/newsru/? S =% D0% 96% D0% B5% D0% BB% D0% B5% D0% B7% D0% BD
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            1. Professor
              Professor 18 November 2012 21: 27
              -10
              "The Iron Dome is twice as expensive as previously thought

              Well, and lope?

              At the moment, the Iron Dome in the Negev has intercepted less than 10% of the missiles launched in Israel, and the batteries were not used at all against mortar attacks.

              According to today's data, and the statistics are already serious, the number of successful interceptions is 87%.

              Moreover, the Iron Dome will not be able to effectively repel shelling from mortars.

              and he’s not able to make coffee ... wink
              Imagine, the "slop" S-400 is also not capable of intercepting a mortar shell.
              1. Rockets
                Rockets 18 November 2012 23: 57
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                According to today's data, and the statistics are already serious, the number of successful interceptions is 87%.

                November
                (on 18.11.2012/332/960) since January 330 shelling, about XNUMX missiles. About XNUMX missiles shot down by a missile defense system.
                No fairy tales! Everything is like everyone else's + - 30% No one else has come up with a "wunderwafele"
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 19 November 2012 09: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Rockets
                  November
                  (on 18.11.2012/332/960) since January 330 shelling, about XNUMX missiles. About XNUMX missiles shot down by a missile defense system.
                  No fairy tales! Everything is like everyone else's + - 30% No one else has come up with a "wunderwafele"

                  100 times they wrote that the dome only knocks down what flies through the cities, find statistics on the number of missiles that fell in a populated area, and calculate the percentage ...
                  1. Rockets
                    Rockets 19 November 2012 11: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Rumata
                    100 times they wrote that the dome only knocks down what flies through the cities, find statistics on the number of missiles that fell in a populated area, and calculate the percentage ...

                    1000 times it was written On 1 aircraft, for 100% defeat, it is necessary, from 1-4 missiles! No one invented anything cooler than that!
                    Therefore, if you shoot down everything that flies to you, your economy will collapse, working only on missile defense
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 19 November 2012 12: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Rockets
                      1000 times it was written On 1 aircraft, for 100% defeat, it is necessary, from 1-4 missiles! No one invented anything cooler than that!

                      The dome launches 1-2 missiles, 1-4 it is bent.
                      Entertaining mathematics for dummies. A task
                      A rocket fall in the city cost the country from 0.5 to 10 million dollars, compensation, damage recovery, treatment of the victims.
                      300 rockets shot down that would fall in the city
                      Launching even 4 missiles costs up to $ 200.
                      The question is, in which case a country goes bankrupt faster

                      Answer-
                      300 launches, even 4 missiles each, will cost the country 60 million (they actually launch 1-2, that is 20 million)
                      300 hits in proud will cost the country from 150 million to 3 billion.
                      In the first case, the costs are 2.5 times less, in the second, 50 ...
                2. Vasiliev Nikolay
                  Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 19: 16
                  +1
                  From the above statistics, some kind of strange situation with the integrity of the missiles, or this is a gobbled lie. So. for example, roughly - 600 rockets that weren’t hit, while Israel’s victims - THREE !!! ??? person. They are what. the 600 missiles that were launched and not intercepted were aimed at sparrows ???))) Strange!
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 05
              -4
              At the moment, the declared amount is 50000 bucks. 250 pieces - no amount is found anywhere. Interception is cheaper than repairing buildings and paying compensation. In addition, there is even more important - the lives and health of people. At the moment, the system is debugged, and there is a release of not two missiles, as it was before, but one. In addition, missiles that cost not 200 bucks, but are much more expensive, are actively being shot down.
            3. mikula
              mikula 19 November 2012 11: 28
              -2
              It's a pity for Mr. Kaa - he wrote so many letters about the bad "iron dome". And I can refute all entot nonsense as a witness - for four days of shelling of Tel Aviv where I live - not a single rocket broke through except for those who fell into the sea. So as you say, Emelya is your week.
              1. Rockets
                Rockets 19 November 2012 12: 25
                0
                Quote: mikula
                Meli Emelya your week


                "The Israeli company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems switched to a round-the-clock operating mode to increase the supply of anti-missiles to the IDF for the Iron Dome complex." dollars.

                As they say: Don’t boast of gentlemanly affection.
                1. mikula
                  mikula 19 November 2012 13: 06
                  0
                  Rockets -As we say: Don’t brag about gentlemanly caress.

                  What does the gentleman's caress have to do with the efficiency of the "iron dome"? And second - compare the GDP of Israel with a lordly affection, let's laugh together.
                  1. Rockets
                    Rockets 19 November 2012 15: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: mikula
                    What does the gentleman's caress have to do with the efficiency of the "iron dome

                    And if you read my post again and carefully?

                    Quote: mikula
                    And second, compare Israel’s GDP with the gentleman’s caress.


                    Revenues to the budget in 2009, according to the CIA, amounted to over 54 billion dollars, expenditures - over 64 billion.
                    The Israeli economy is not self-sufficient and depends on subsidies and assistance from abroad.primarily from the USA
                    In 2011, Israel received $ 3,029 billion from the United States, of which $ 3,0 billion was for defense spending.

                    And your GDP is ~ 67% of services. Suddenly you do not taste

                    Fingers do not break
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    5. Vasiliev Nikolay
      Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 00: 07
      -3
      I wonder why you think. that this is inherent only in the West?)))
    6. alexng
      alexng 21 November 2012 14: 24
      +1
      Quote: IlyaKuv
      What can I say? The West recognizes only one truth that is beneficial to it.


      But it may happen that in connection with the events in the Gaza Strip, the "Syrian opposition" can forget about Assad and turn against Israel. The East is a delicate matter and everything is possible here.
  2. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 17 November 2012 09: 32
    +16
    There is an old Jewish joke about adultery. Who can and who cannot. As Izya explained to Sarah. "If you are, then we are fucked. If I am, then we are fucked." So it is in the policy of double standards.
  3. Yazov
    Yazov 17 November 2012 09: 37
    +4
    The Middle East is starting to flare up. What all this will lead to is a look. Jews Palestine will roll out again. And as always, double standards. One can protect the country, the other does not. And everyone pretends not to notice it.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 17 November 2012 15: 30
      +8
      Quote: Yazov
      One can protect the country, the other does not. And everyone pretends not to notice it

      The story with Syria began to look too unattractive in the West, and there is a lot of "fuss", and the "rebels" turned out to be fake, "undemocratic", and they are afraid to introduce NATO troops - in general, compared to Libya, they "did it" in full. It is urgently necessary to switch "moral suspicion" to "a small and no doubt victorious war" - as if by magic, terrorists fire at Israel, and "the armor is strong, our missiles are fast" at the "Iron Dome", all attention is switched from the confrontation of the "correct" terrorists with Syria to confront the "wrong" terrorists with Israel. The curtain.
      1. MG42
        MG42 18 November 2012 18: 58
        +7
        Respect, Kaa! Here you can only add the courage of the Syrian army to your post "+". The Syrians there contain and destroy mercenaries and terrorists from all over the world.
  4. Vasiliev Nikolay
    Vasiliev Nikolay 17 November 2012 10: 27
    -12
    This time, I suppose, the opposite. Palestine will roll Israel - definitely. Let not one hundred percent, but there will be many more victims on both sides than ever. At the most crucial moment, Palestine will be assisted, for example, by Russia or another state. There will be no third world war - everything is manageable.
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 17 November 2012 11: 46
      +3
      Russia will not help Palestine. Palestine has no chance against almost the whole world.
      1. Vasiliev Nikolay
        Vasiliev Nikolay 17 November 2012 16: 14
        -1
        Not exactly Russia. I cannot rule out that the United States itself can help the Palestinians, albeit not directly. Amers benefit chaos. By and large, not amers create hotbeds of tension, but the so-called globalists. Amer, like the West, are just puppets.
        1. WW3
          WW3 17 November 2012 18: 00
          +8
          Quote: Pisez
          I cannot rule out that the United States itself can help the Palestinians, albeit not directly. Amer benefits chaos

          Yes, chaos is beneficial, but not in the case of Israel, because Israel has very strong lobbyists in the United States .. the United States will be on the side of Israel, no doubt ...
    2. mda
      mda 17 November 2012 15: 26
      +5
      Quote: Pisez
      This time, I suppose, the opposite. Palestine will roll Israel - definitely. Let not one hundred percent, but there will be many more victims on both sides than ever. At the most crucial moment, Palestine will be assisted, for example, by Russia or another state. There will be no third world war - everything is manageable.

      Israel has one of the most powerful armies in the world, and you say Palestine rolls it fool
      1. mda
        mda 17 November 2012 16: 32
        +3
        Quote: mda-a
        Israel has one of the most powerful armies in the world, and you say Palestine rolls it

        Well, why 2 minuses at once what .Israel after all Egypt, Jordan Syria could not win the six-day war.
      2. Vasiliev Nikolay
        Vasiliev Nikolay 17 November 2012 18: 43
        +6
        And in Vietnam, the amers were strong, but until the Soviet Union helped)
        1. mda
          mda 18 November 2012 08: 19
          +1
          Quote: Pisez
          And in Vietnam, the amers were strong, but until the Soviet Union helped)

          The USA didn’t pump up weapons in southern Vietnam, since Israel
          1. Vasiliev Nikolay
            Vasiliev Nikolay 18 November 2012 14: 17
            +3
            What kind of Vietnam are you talking about pumping or whom, if the amers themselves fought in Vietnam - they pumped themselves)))
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 18 November 2012 14: 26
              -1
              Well, as if in Vytenama, in addition to the amers, there was a South Vietnamese army from South Vytnam, there were Koreans, and many others.
            2. mda
              mda 18 November 2012 15: 45
              +5
              Quote: Pisez
              What kind of Vietnam are you talking about pumping or whom, if the amers themselves fought in Vietnam - they pumped themselves)))

              North Vietnam was pumped up by the USSR and China. Or how do you think North Vietnam shot down 3 and a half thousand American planes
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 20
          -9
          In Vietnam, the United States pursued the goal of maintaining the status quo, or rather, the independence of South Vietnam, and not the capture of the North. Start by exploring the story.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 19
        -5
        Man lives in a fairy tale
    3. WW3
      WW3 17 November 2012 17: 56
      +5
      Quote: Pisez
      This time, I suppose, the opposite. Palestine will roll Israel - definitely.

      Excuse me, but is there something to "roll out"? Israel has something to simply wipe out the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth, because he possesses nuclear weapons, including ... naturally, he will not use it ... but he also has quite enough other forces and means ...
      Quote: Pisez
      Palestine will be assisted, for example, by Russia or another state.

      No one will openly help.
      Quote: Pisez
      There will be no third world war

      It is very doubtful, since everyone is arming in full swing, especially the PRC ...
      1. Vasiliev Nikolay
        Vasiliev Nikolay 17 November 2012 18: 30
        -2
        Only those who are unfamiliar with the basics of the concept of globalism and who think from the particular to the general, and not vice versa, think superficially.
      2. mda
        mda 17 November 2012 18: 38
        +1
        Here is at least one normal comment good
        1. mda
          mda 19 November 2012 17: 23
          +1
          Quote: mda-a
          Here is at least one normal comment

          I'm talking about WW3
          1. WW3
            WW3 20 November 2012 04: 34
            +3
            Quote: mda-a
            I'm talking about WW3

            Thank you, buddy "+" they put the minuses there without understanding, apparently, by the way about the 3rd world speech, that in WW3 ... here's a video on the topic of drive ...
            World War 3: World War III
            1. mda
              mda 20 November 2012 20: 26
              +1
              Quote: WW3
              Thank you, buddy "+" they put the minuses there without understanding, apparently, by the way about the 3rd world speech, that in WW3 ... here's a video on the topic of drive ...

              It’s just that when I wrote I didn’t see the comment Pirez-Internet is buggy. And when I rebooted I saw his comment.
            2. mda
              mda 20 November 2012 20: 50
              +1
              thanks liked the video. good
  5. geo185
    geo185 17 November 2012 10: 30
    +2
    please explain to the frogmen what benefit, with Americans and Jews everything seems to be clear.
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 17 November 2012 11: 00
      +3
      Quote: geo185
      please explain to the frogmen what benefit, with Americans and Jews everything seems to be clear.


      And they sell weapons to them, it’s convenient to raise the rating in such messes. And first of all, the suppression of rebellion among Muslims is so far small foci, do not put out the fire in time the whole Persian Gulf will burn, and there is still a lot of black gold there that they also feed on.
      1. geo185
        geo185 17 November 2012 21: 25
        0
        but it seems to me that the French Arabs, rooted in the country, are putting pressure on the government.
    2. Konrad
      Konrad 17 November 2012 14: 51
      -5
      Quote: geo185

      please explain to the frogmen what benefit

      And who is it?
      1. WW3
        WW3 17 November 2012 18: 11
        +5
        Quote: Konrad
        And who is it?

        The French are frog eaters ...
        1. Konrad
          Konrad 19 November 2012 17: 46
          -3
          Quote: WW3
          The French are frog eaters ..

          To say that all the French eat frogs is the same as saying that all Russians eat pancakes with caviar.
          1. WW3
            WW3 19 November 2012 19: 51
            +4
            Quote: Konrad
            to say that all the French eat frogs is like asserting

            Conrad, that's what they call it. unofficially French, Italians for example called pasta, etc ....

            Quote: Konrad
            it’s the same as saying that all Russians eat pancakes with caviar

            it’s better to eat pancakes with caviar than toads lol
            are you vegetarian I, by the way, also for the truth in that comment set 3 minuses .... it happens ...
            1. Konrad
              Konrad 20 November 2012 19: 29
              0
              Quote: WW3
              are you vegetarian I, by the way, also for the truth in that comment set 3 minuses .... it happens ...

              No, not a vegetarian, I’ll do it all! And minus those who seem to really eat pancakes with caviar and sincerely believe that all are around. wassat
  6. KCC
    KCC 17 November 2012 12: 26
    +11
    How much rope does not curl and the end is always there. The time will come for America and the West to be responsible for their actions and reap the benefits of what they themselves sowed. You can not do evil and receive good.
  7. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 17 November 2012 12: 51
    +11
    Western crap outcry over the human rights violations in Syria, about the dictatorial anti-people regime of B. Assad, which needs to be changed. But what kind of anti-people regime is it, if for so much time the people of Syria and their army have beaten off all the attempts of the so-called Syrian opposition, which enjoy the strongest support of the West and the Arab monarchies
    to seize power by force? It seems like blind malice because the country had already tasted its crap democracy and no one needs it anymore, the West has stopped seeing obvious things and stupidly continues to bend its line more and more kindling a Syrian fire, which threatens to turn into a fire in the Middle East.
    1. mda
      mda 17 November 2012 16: 09
      +11
      Quote: Goldmitro
      Western crap outcry over the human rights violations in Syria, about the dictatorial anti-people regime of B. Assad, which needs to be changed. But what kind of anti-people regime is it, if for so much time the people of Syria and their army have beaten off all the attempts of the so-called Syrian opposition, which enjoy the strongest support of the West and the Arab monarchies
      to seize power by force? It seems like blind malice because the country had already tasted its crap democracy and no one needs it anymore, the West has stopped seeing obvious things and stupidly continues to bend its line more and more kindling a Syrian fire, which threatens to turn into a fire in the Middle East.

      The West has always been two-faced, always
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 22
        -3
        Yes, all two-faced, dear. There - in Russia they are fighting terrorists. Nevertheless, they accept the guys from Hamas as official delegations, despite the fact that they have a lot of suicide bombings
      2. Vasiliev Nikolay
        Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 19: 26
        -2
        Cho talk about the duplicity of the West, if there are plenty of such on this site!)
  8. Vasiliev Nikolay
    Vasiliev Nikolay 17 November 2012 13: 04
    +1
    Dear forum users, I on this topic, outlined the following: This time, I suppose, the opposite. Palestine will roll Israel - definitely. Let not one hundred percent, but there will be many more victims on both sides than ever. At the most crucial moment, Palestine will be assisted, for example, by Russia or another state. There will be no third world war - everything is controlled.

    For what I, some kind of active moderator, whose views did not coincide with mine, slapped me 3 minuses!))) Honestly. I registered on this site to discuss current topics and express my opinion, and not flattery to moderators. Something is not entirely clear.
    Perhaps someone will tell me, "uneducated" what point of the site rules I violated !?)
    1. kosmos84
      kosmos84 17 November 2012 13: 37
      +1
      not the first time Alex67 tried to fight this
      1. axmed05
        axmed05 17 November 2012 14: 14
        +3
        Quote: kosmos84
        For what I, some kind of active moderator, whose views did not coincide with mine, slapped me 3 minuses!))) Honestly. I registered on this site to discuss current topics and express my opinion, and not flattery to moderators. Something is not entirely clear.
        Perhaps someone will tell me, "uneducated" what point of the site rules I violated !?)
        Minus site visitors who did not like one or the other comment, and moderators simply delete.
    2. Konrad
      Konrad 17 November 2012 15: 00
      +9
      Quote: Pisez
      For what I, some kind of active moderator, whose views did not coincide with mine, slapped me 3 minuses

      Here is grief - 3 minuses! I have 6254 !!! And nothing, alive, I write what I think. It is rarely true, because if your opinion is not in the stream, you are gagged limiting your ability to write comments. This is the order here, clearly not "crappy".
      1. spok
        spok 18 November 2012 00: 00
        -1
        totally agree
        1. Beck
          Beck 18 November 2012 17: 25
          -1
          Quote: Konrad
          This is the order here, clearly not "crappy".


          And not "liberal". Hurray-patriots do not read, only on the avatar they nominate, the administration immediately imposes restrictions.

          And unbeknownst, probably to administrators, that with such measures the whole acuteness of the site goes away. Without sharpness, a fresh dough is obtained and the attractiveness of the site is lost.
          1. ikrut
            ikrut 18 November 2012 23: 17
            +1
            wink "Cons" for the avatar is a diagnosis for you. IMHO.
            And as for "sharpness" - how can you not remember that PA Stolypin? "You need great shocks. And we need Great Russia" (c)
            1. Vasiliev Nikolay
              Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 00: 23
              -1
              ikrut, you are an eccentric, on beech M, because there is no need to express telepathic arguments, which you absolutely do not possess. You need to be more modest.
          2. Konrad
            Konrad 20 November 2012 19: 37
            0
            Quote: Beck
            And unbeknownst, probably to administrators, that with such measures the whole acuteness of the site goes away. Without sharpness, a fresh dough is obtained and the attractiveness of the site is lost.

            Everything is true, but otherwise they cannot, faithful followers of those who modestly called themselves - "MIND, HONOR, AND CONSCIOUSNESS OF OUR EPOCH". Dissent ??? - to the nail !!!
      2. ikrut
        ikrut 18 November 2012 23: 13
        +3
        What other "democracy" in political topics ??? Go to the culinary or poetry sites - they will help. And here, almost any statement (with the exception of technical or irrelevant) is either propaganda or counter-propaganda. Thank God, the times are over when, under the guise of "independent democratic" research, people were instilled into consciousness and subconsciousness with all sorts of dirt and lies. A "people hawal". Today all these “demokgatic” ideas are not so popular anymore. And the "gods" for them are quite recognizable and understandable.
    3. spok
      spok 17 November 2012 23: 58
      0
      and what are your cons?
    4. MG42
      MG42 18 November 2012 04: 25
      +4
      Quote: Pisez
      For what I, some kind of active moderator, whose views did not coincide with mine, slapped me 3 minuses!

      The moderator, as any forum member, puts one "+" or "-" once in one comment if he wishes, or deletes if the comment contradicts the rules of the forum.
    5. mda
      mda 18 November 2012 15: 50
      +3
      Quote: Pisez
      This time, I suppose, the opposite. Palestine will roll Israel - definitely. Let not one hundred percent, but there will be many more victims on both sides than ever. At the most crucial moment, Palestine will be assisted, for example, by Russia or another state. There will be no third world war - everything is manageable.

      Even if Palestine defeats the IDF in some incredible way, it still won’t win, because Israel has WMDs.
      1. ikrut
        ikrut 18 November 2012 23: 19
        +1
        "Palestine will crush the TsKHAKAL" is one of the most daring historical alternative fantasies. I would just save the keyboard - post such thoughts. IMHO.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 08
        -4
        The main obstacle to IDF operations is the pressure of the world community, and their own, very humane, installations are the scatter of leaflets, etc. From a technical point of view, break the Gaza problems ZERO.
        1. Vasiliev Nikolay
          Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 19: 31
          0
          So I'm talking about ento that diplomacy can be a weapon, and not just technical. Many, as I understand it, do not understand. As a result, everyone will remain in their own interests and snot at both sides. But, to Israel, with its militarized weapons, this is a defeat.)))
      3. Vasiliev Nikolay
        Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 00: 27
        +1
        None of the warring parties will win, regardless of the militarization of the armies, since everything is manageable and does not depend on the warring parties. According to the latest reports, the IDF ground operation, Obama has already banned !!! Now the current SMSkami exchange)))
      4. Vasiliev Nikolay
        Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 03: 42
        -1
        There will be no ground operations, which means Palestine will win and it doesn’t matter what it means to mean weapons - diplomacy, or directly military, technical weapons. They will scorch and run into this, until the next conflict.
    6. Beck
      Beck 18 November 2012 17: 12
      -1
      Quote: Pisez
      Perhaps someone will tell me, "uneducated" what point of the site rules I violated !?)


      Yes, you didn’t break a point.

      Just betray that Palestine will reveal Israel, well, this is no way. Anyone who knows a little about the situation in the Middle East, from such recklessness you have scoured and instructed you in the minuses.

      For 64 years, the combined armies of Syria, Egypt, and Jordan have not been able to tell more than once. It was Israel who rolled them up, at once on three fronts. And you are Palestine, which has nothing besides machine guns.
  9. Professor
    Professor 17 November 2012 13: 27
    -12
    Israel, under the pretext of combating terrorism, has launched aggression against the Gaza Strip.

    Lies already in the first paragraph. I do not read further.
    He looked who the author was ... Now everything is clear, but still I do not read.
    Kul Kalb Bigjom Yomo, Elena Gromova, Damascus. I hope you do not need to translate from Arabic? wink
    For the rest I will translate: each dog has his own day
    1. axmed05
      axmed05 17 November 2012 14: 20
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      Kul kalb bigj yomo, Elena Gromova, Damascus. I hope you do not need to translate from Arabic? wink
      The threat of reprisal against the journalist for the article, isn’t it all that she wrote the truth?
      1. Professor
        Professor 17 November 2012 14: 51
        -9
        Firstly, no threats, but only the assertion that time will put everything in its place.
        Secondly, the language does not dare to call it journalistic. wassat
        1. Vasiliev Nikolay
          Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 03: 45
          0
          Not otherwise professor fell in love with a journalist - do not bother gentlemen!)))
    2. Karish
      Karish 17 November 2012 15: 06
      -14
      Gromova wrote
      Syria has been protecting itself from terrorists for 20 months, and in much more humane ways for the civilian population.

      After 3-x days of operation in Gaza 30 dead (7 civilians)
      A strange idea of ​​humanity.

      News from Gaza has almost squeezed out of the news feed a summary of the armed conflict in Syria. But this does not mean that they stopped killing there.
      At the same time that Hamas is mobilizing the Arab countries and trying to mobilize the rest of the world in order to stop the "atrocities of the Zionist aggressors", 160 people were killed in Syria in one day.
      This is reported by human rights organizations. Referring to sources in the ranks of the Syrian rebels. 42 killed - soldiers of the army loyal to Bashar al-Assad, 42 - opposition fighters, the remaining 96 people are civilians. The fighting took place mainly in Aleppo and in the vicinity of Damascus.
      Since the start of the confrontation in Syria, more than 40 people have died there.
      1. Vasiliev Nikolay
        Vasiliev Nikolay 17 November 2012 16: 24
        +11
        The pro-government army of Bashar conducts street battles - this is not my statement also with the aim of preserving the civilian population. Personally, I believe that with such an onslaught by the rebels. need to change tactics. Withdraw civilians from war zones and invite aviation to destroy the militants and bury them in ruins. And to clean up is much more troublesome and more victims, in the end. both from the side of the Syrian army and civilians.
        1. Dimon Lviv
          Dimon Lviv 18 November 2012 09: 39
          +3
          Pisez, it’s not so simple - the FORCE rebels keep residents in the occupied areas, for example in Homs. In addition, part of the Syrians, alas, support them - do not kill them because of this? Although possible, this would be worth doing.
    3. elenagromova
      17 November 2012 23: 34
      +8
      I am very glad that my article caused you such an emotional, not indifferent reaction. So, it has touched the same and reached its goal.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 26
        -2
        Elena. Tell me - how to classify the massive shelling of Israeli cities for several days BEFORE the start of the "Cloud Pillar"? 8) Well, if the answer is aggression
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 18 November 2012 17: 16
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Tell me - how to classify the massive shelling of Israeli cities for several days BEFORE the start of the "Cloud Pillar"? 8

          As a message from the Palestinians to Israel: "Get out of the occupied land !!!"
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 09
            -4
            UUUU. Who? Tell me
        2. elenagromova
          18 November 2012 20: 53
          +3
          For Palestinians, this is a struggle for freedom, for Israelis, it is terrorism. But if the Israelis still had some kind of moral right to crush the jeep with the Hamas commander, then the subsequent actions are a crime.
          If a man is attacked with a knife, he has the right to kill the attacker, but he has no right to go to his city and kill everyone there in a row.
          1. igor67
            igor67 18 November 2012 21: 02
            -3
            elenagromova,
            Again, you contradict yourself, not until yesterday you wrote to me that you did not consider Hamas to be patriots, because they are fighting against the Government forces in Syria, Elena had enough double standards, the standard of living in Gaza was higher than in Syria and despite the fact that there practically do not work, they are sitting on the money of Qatar and Saudi,
            1. elenagromova
              18 November 2012 21: 58
              +6
              Read carefully, and do not write memorized phrases. I wrote that it was the struggle for freedom on the part of the Palestinians, and not on my part, that it was they, not I, who were considering it that way.
              I am not too sorry for Hamas, precisely because they are fighting against Syria. That's why I wrote that Israel, from its point of view, still had some kind of moral right to kill him. But he had no moral right to do what he is doing now - to avenge other people.
              1. igor67
                igor67 18 November 2012 22: 02
                0
                elenagromova,
                Gaza is 90 percent of Hamas. They practically cut out Fathovites.
                1. elenagromova
                  18 November 2012 22: 12
                  +6
                  I see many photos of the wounded and even the murdered children of Gaza. Are they Fathowe or Hamas? In my opinion, they have not even had time to decide yet and some of them will never be determined.
                  And why bombing instead of a point removal of terrorists? Can someone answer me?
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 18 November 2012 22: 16
                    -2
                    elenagromova,
                    for five days of continuous bombing and 30 killed Hamas. I understand. that you are not an expert. but where in the world it was. a common practice after so many days of a thousand killed.
                    1. elenagromova
                      18 November 2012 23: 29
                      +3
                      The jeep was defeated, the Hamas commander was killed, then another high-ranking Hamas activist was killed. You write about 30 killed Hamas, but do not write about how many Hamas people were killed, and civilians. Maybe enough for revenge? Stop! You have already revenged. Why continue the bloody business? Why start a war? She will hit you too. How much do you have to kill to satisfy your sense of revenge?
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 53
                        -7
                        Elena. Rockets. Let's start with a few dozen rockets BEFORE the destroyed Hamasman
                  2. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 18 November 2012 22: 29
                    +7
                    Quote: elenagromova
                    Can any of you answer me?

                    Lena, intelligibly none of them will answer you, THEY are programmed only to howl about their victims (such as a stolen corporal), because the life of a goyim for them is not worth a shekel. Therefore, trying to see in them a glimpse of sympathy for someone's children is an unforgivable waste of time. hi
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 19 November 2012 00: 12
                      -4
                      Fox 070
                      You were humanists when in 1994, and then in 2000 the Terrible, they rolled women and children into the ground together. Do you find the photos yourself or does your ability to use Google fail here?
                      1. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 00: 33
                        +4
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        or does your ability to use Google fail here?

                        To your surprise, I can use not only Google, Yandex, etc., but also my own brains, not clouded by a giyur, which you apparently cannot boast of.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 10
            -4
            Tell me. That is, in your opinion, a strike on a rocket launcher and an attempt to stop the bombing is a crime? That is, based on your logic, Assad must wait patiently - after all, his rebel terrorists also shoot from residential areas.
          3. mikula
            mikula 19 November 2012 15: 09
            -4
            elenagromova - For the Palestinians, this is a struggle for freedom,

            Dear lady, I wish you that the Chechen freedom fighters will have the same number of missiles that we receive in your hometown.
      2. Beck
        Beck 18 November 2012 17: 34
        +1
        Quote: elenagromova
        So, it hurt and reached its goal.


        You can hurt the living with a sharp, objective reporting and you can hurt with lies and fraud.

        What are the double standards? There is a civil war in Syria. In Gaza, clashes between two sovereign territorial entities. What a comparison might be. Only jingoistic and anti-Semitic.

        So, do not flatter yourself with the talent of a journalist. By definition, he cannot be with a non-journalist.
    4. Dimon Lviv
      Dimon Lviv 18 November 2012 09: 36
      +1
      And again, we observe double standards: Israel, therefore, has the right to protect itself, but neighboring Syria - not?
      - it is not surprising that Prohfes Sor did not want to read it, he is a guardian of Western interests.
    5. RUSSIA75
      RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 11: 53
      +4
      Human rights activists who have visited Al-Shifa's largest hospital report that many of the victims suffered from Israel's use of white phosphorus. Joe Cardon, among others, visited the hospital and said that civilian casualties are increasing and that wounds are terrifying. Http://www.russia.ru/news/politics/2012/11/17/4529.html
      how would you comment on this?
      1. axmed05
        axmed05 18 November 2012 13: 27
        -3
        White phosphorus is their favorite weapon.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 39
          -3
          And again the fairy tale about white phosphorus went. It's funny
          1. RUSSIA75
            RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 13: 45
            +9
            It will be funny to see what you will sing when the fact is confirmed :) So we will wait :)
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 53
              -1
              Yes, I'll wait. As well as the one whose organization Joe represents there ... He himself, like burns from phosphorus, did not see, did I understand correctly?
              1. axmed05
                axmed05 18 November 2012 16: 22
                +7
                Quote: Pimply
                And again the fairy tale about white phosphorus went. It's funny

                You’re lying and you’re not blushing, here’s the video in the news that showed that Israel recognized the use of white phosphorus, supposedly the military themselves used it. http://podrobnosti.ua/podrobnosti/2010/02/01/662789.html
                1. RUSSIA75
                  RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 16: 29
                  +4
                  axmed05,
                  Thanks for the link drinks
                2. MG42
                  MG42 18 November 2012 23: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: axmed05
                  supposedly the military themselves used it without knowledge. http://podrobnosti.ua/podrobnosti/2010/02/01/662789.html

                  Link to Ukrainian news, keyword Allegedly Have you ever read what is written there before you upload it? Israel allegedly punished, but officers allegedly remained at the ranks winked It smells of yellowness, I heard a ringing and hell knows where he is. It is necessary to read further than the title.
                  -
                  We punished two officers for the unjustified use of artillery in densely built-up areas.

                3. Pimply
                  Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 12
                  0
                  Barack Rat, spokeswoman for the Israeli armed forces:
                  “We have punished two officers for the unjustified use of artillery in a densely built-up area. Since the end of Operation Cast Lead, we have dealt with 150 cases of possible violations, 29 of which are now being brought to court. Admitting your mistakes is important.
                4. WW3
                  WW3 20 November 2012 04: 13
                  0
                  This is Ukrainian they do not broadcast news in Russia hi You have posted a link to Ukrainian. TV channel.
          2. geo185
            geo185 18 November 2012 17: 21
            -4
            pimply right fairy tale about white phosphorus
            another koment from another site

            and how is white phosphorus (the "conclusions" of the "activist" - laughter in the audience) worse than phlegmatized RDX?
            The only way. Arabs want Israel to live like beggars like them - who is to blame for the Arabs, what do they start thinking only when the F-15 dives overhead?

            At least some of these Muslim scourges are pasting 3,14 days, unlike the rest of the world
            1. RUSSIA75
              RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 17: 27
              +8
              A bit off topic - Israel yesterday won another victory in the information confrontation - they covered the TV tower with a missile strike and the Palestinian journalists in the TV center, who "incorrectly" covered the events. Repeating the success of the United States, similarly destroying the TV tower and criticizing the humanitarian bombing of Serbian journalists in Belgrade on April 29, 1999. The Slavs and Palestinians have the right ... to be silent! Http: //www.russia.ru/news/politics/2012/11/17/4537.html (comments)
              1. Karish
                Karish 18 November 2012 18: 23
                -7
                Quote: RUSSIA75
                A bit off topic - Israel yesterday won another victory in the information confrontation - they covered the TV tower with a missile strike and the Palestinian journalists in the TV center, who "incorrectly" covered the events.

                Not much is the same, to date, Hamas has fired more than 800 missiles exclusively in cities (i.e., civilians), or in bases, only in cities. How to look from this point?
                If it were not for the Dome, more than 300 missiles would explode in cities and towns, killing many citizens (children, women, old people). How is this from the point of view of human rights defenders?
                1. Town Guard
                  Town Guard 18 November 2012 21: 34
                  +7
                  Peaceful Palestinians die in Israeli bombardments. (And this despite the fact that Israel, unlike Hamas and others, has precision weapons.) Or can only civilians be considered victims of Israel, and civilian Palestinians killed by the Israeli Air Force can not be considered victims?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 17
                    -3
                    May, dear. That is why, for example, the IDF scatters leaflets, creates humanitarian corridors, etc. How do you imagine the action of precision weapons? Does it come with legs, stand next to the target, and having drawn a circle a meter beyond which not a single fragment will fly out, explodes?

                    The question is in goals and behavior.
                    There is a topic when they try to limit the damage to civilians as much as possible while protecting other civilians. Another thing is when they try to destroy civilians as much as possible, while parasitizing on the deaths of their civilians, and using hospitals, mosques, schools, as military depots and communication centers
              2. Kaa
                Kaa 18 November 2012 18: 34
                +6
                Quote: RUSSIA75
                Israel yesterday won another victory in the information confrontation - a missile strike covered the TV tower and Palestinian journalists in the TV center, who were "incorrectly" covering the events.

                Including RT!
                " Russia Today Office, located in the Gaza Strip, was destroyed by shelling of a business center
                “The office of the RT channel in Arabic, Rusiya Al-Yaum, was attacked by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip on the night of November 18, at about 01.30 local time, Gazeta.Ru reports with reference to the channel’s message.
                The channel’s office was located on the last, 11th floor of the building, where the offices of many media companies from a number of countries are concentrated, including Sky News, ITV and Palestinian News Agencies. In total, four rockets were fired from the Israeli side of the building, one of which hit the RT’s office, ”the channel said in a statement.
                Earlier it became known that 6 journalists were wounded as a result of the shelling. "Http://hvylya.org/news/izrail-raketnyim-obstrelom-unichtozhil-
                ofis-telekanala-russia-today.html
                Did the "rocket men" sit there too, or did they "incorrectly" cover the events? Or what is it, "Who owns the information - owns the world"?
              3. Karish
                Karish 18 November 2012 19: 28
                -5
                Quote: RUSSIA75
                TV tower and Palestinian journalists in the television center,

                How many died. after cover?
                1. RUSSIA75
                  RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 19: 38
                  +5
                  The office of the Russia Today TV channel in the Gaza Strip, located in the Al-Shava business center, was destroyed by an Israeli missile hit. The TV channel's film crew was not injured.

                  "The office of the RT (Russia Today) TV channel in Arabic -" Rusiya al-Yaum "- came under rocket fire from the Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip," the channel's press service reported. According to her, the film crew was not injured, as they managed to leave the building an hour before the shelling.

                  Russia Today was located on the last, 11th floor of the building, where the offices of many media companies from a number of countries are concentrated, including Sky News, ITV and Palestinian news agencies. In total, four rockets were fired from the Israeli side of the building, one of which hit the RT office. According to the press service, now Russia Today employees have moved to the fifth floor of the building to continue their work. As a result of a missile strike on a media office in Gaza, six Palestinian journalists were injured. So far, such information.
            2. Guun
              Guun 18 November 2012 18: 03
              +3
              Quote: geo185
              Arabs want Israel to live as beggars like them

              For your information, most Arabs live worse than rich people in rubles.
              1. geo185
                geo185 18 November 2012 18: 09
                +1
                and then who is fighting?
                with such a standard of living as "rublevsky" it seems to me that there will be no special desire to climb under the bullets
                1. igor67
                  igor67 18 November 2012 18: 28
                  -3
                  geo185,
                  http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kB29zI6Fz6E
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 28
        -6
        I commented - I can and more. What kind of organization. Someone who voices this data, his position. What exactly number of civilians suffered is a hospital, they have exact numbers. Why there is no comment on the IDF press service. I would like to hear the answers to these questions
        1. RUSSIA75
          RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 13: 38
          +6
          Ah, I’m just imagining it right-the IDF is gathering a press conference from international journalists, and with pride declares, Dear international community, let it be known that today we fool around and bombed the Gaza Strip with white phosphorus ammunition, we made an international a crime, and we also have nuclear weapons and their means of delivery !! You are laughing at me? Is that a banter, huh?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 44
            -1
            Something I did not see real evidence - but I saw the effect of white phosphorus. And, according to journalistic ethics, the reaction of both sides is taken for conflicting stories. And so it is, standard. RT, designed for Arab viewers and cheers.
            1. Rebus
              Rebus 18 November 2012 13: 48
              0
              Pimply,
              Sorry, a little off topic. Where and by whom do you work?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 54
                -5
                What is the reason for the question? 8) Well, just interesting.
                1. Rebus
                  Rebus 18 November 2012 15: 19
                  +4
                  Quote: Pimply

                  What is the reason for the question? 8) Well, just interesting.

                  And why do you answer a question with a question?
                  Just your awareness of everything, leads to interesting thoughts ...
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 21
                    -3
                    But is it forbidden for me to answer a question with a question?
              2. RUSSIA75
                RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 14: 08
                +10
                The creator of the image of the invincible and very fair Israeli army, on Russian-speaking and patriotic sites! wink
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 18 November 2012 14: 26
                  -6
                  Oh, oh, I laugh, can I?
                  1. RUSSIA75
                    RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 14: 51
                    +3
                    Oh you can wink Just do not overdo it, do you know about your health wink
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 22
                      -2
                      Did we switch to you? Surprisingly, I didn’t know. It seems that they didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, they didn’t go through the KMB together, and they didn’t sit at the same desk at school
                      1. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 00: 31
                        +4
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Did we switch to you? Surprisingly, I didn’t know. It seems that they didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, they didn’t go through the KMB together, and they didn’t sit at the same desk at school

                        What a horror, I'll go and take the poison. Sorry, I forgot your Majesty to ask permission, kneeling and begging tearfully! How to live now further, I don’t even know! I sprinkle ash on my head, cut off my little finger! O Great Teacher, I dishonored you and did not live up to expectations! lol
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 55
                        -6
                        And do you think this urchin will somehow give life experience beyond the Internet?
                      3. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 01: 04
                        +5
                        Quote: Pimply

                        And do you think this urchin will somehow give life experience beyond the Internet?

                        For your information, I am 37 years old and have sufficient life experience, God grant everyone such !!! So, my dear, print your comment, roll up a pipe and put it in one place ... A man who justifies the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear weapons causes little contempt and pity! And take the trouble to at least sign to whom you answer.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 15
                        -7
                        Age does not affect real life experience, sorry. He only says that you were born in the year 1975. Yes, and I also justify the bombing of Dresden and Berlin. Are you aware that even more people died in them than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and many people died under the ruins in torment?
                      5. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 01: 30
                        +5
                        Quote: Pimply
                        and many people were dying under the ruins in torment?

                        You so savor the details, Eugene, that the question arises: Or maybe you were kicked out of the IDF because of some inadequacy ??? Enlighten us, Eugene !!! Reading your comments on this site and on your page, I begin to doubt ... Can users ask around?
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 37
                        -6
                        Poor thing, how does it stomp you. And to jump? Oh, ridiculed. BATTLE OFFICER. Pancake. Sorry, I'm going to sleep. And then I’ll spend midnight here. 8)
                      7. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 01: 33
                        +4
                        Quote: Pimply

                        Age does not affect real life experience, sorry. He only says that you were born in the year 1975. Yes, and I also justify the bombing of Dresden and Berlin. Are you aware that even more people died in them than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and many people died under the ruins in torment?

                        In the course, and in the course of yet this-. In 2008, a commission of German historians, commissioned by the city of Dresden, estimated the death toll in the range from 18 to 25 thousand people. On March 17, 2010, the official report of the commission working since 2004 was presented. According to the report, as a result of the bombing of Dresden by Allied aircraft in February 1945, 25 thousand people were killed. [1] The official report of the commission was posted on the Internet. [2] Well, where are the higher victims? And you know who bombed ??? My point of view, the bombing of Dresden and Berlin, was unjustifiably cruel! Mostly even pointless!
                      8. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 38
                        -4
                        Yeah. But you were not at war
                      9. Green
                        Green 19 November 2012 01: 30
                        0
                        Experience does not come with experience, with the amount of work done :)
            2. RUSSIA75
              RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 13: 49
              +5
              Ok, let’s leave the fact of use aside, as yet unproven! Then just say, the use of ammunition with white phosphorus in general is an international crime for you personally? Whom it is for the whole world.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 56
                -3
                Under certain conditions, with caution, against specific and specific goals, not en masse. Only ammunition permitted by international law.
                1. RUSSIA75
                  RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 14: 04
                  +6
                  Such weapons can cause especially grave and painful injuries or provoke a slow and painful death. The treatment of such injuries requires specially trained medical personnel who can also receive phosphorus wounds during work (Wikipedia)
                  That is, it’s like a kuynya and a little bit is still possible? Well, think a couple of dozen Palestinians accidentally get so charred, and whoever doesn’t burn, dies a painful death, well, there the lungs will burn out for something else. That is, it does not count, like they themselves are to blame?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 18 November 2012 14: 30
                    -4
                    Any weapon can cause serious and painful injuries, dear, I tell you with professional knowledge. For example, a bullet of the caliber 5.45 or 5.56 furrows the body so that the inlet can be a small hole, and the outlet can be the size of a fist.

                    You see only what you want to see. But I clearly outlined the conditions for its use. Certain objects, with the greatest care, are not mass. And I'm sorry, if it is a Palestinian next to the Fajr-5 rocket, preparing it for launch, I will be purple. Awful, huh? And such is life. They served in the army, can you imagine what white phosphorus can be used for?
                    1. RUSSIA75
                      RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 14: 39
                      +6
                      I have no idea about white phosphorus, I draw info on the internet. And according to the specifics of my service, I know if I sat in ambushes (it’s called a secret from border guards), but ran through dense forests.
                      Ammunition with white phosphorus was used in a residential area of ​​Tel Alhava (presumably I will repeat) - is this caution? And if so, then everything is pretty sad, I understand the fight against terror and all that, but still ...
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 18 November 2012 14: 43
                        -4
                        Well, you haven't. And I, as a medical officer, have an idea of ​​how he looks, how to get rid of him, and the consequences. And also, in connection with another specificity - combat - I know how and why it is used. As well as the norms for its use in the Israeli army, where in the 2000 year the use of such shells was sharply limited by special documents.

                        And can you elaborate on the application in Tel al-Hawa? Well, interesting.
                      2. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 14: 53
                        0
                        Well, this is from that article, I gave you the link earlier.
                      3. Kaa
                        Kaa 18 November 2012 18: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: Pimply
                        And I, as a medical doctor, have an idea of ​​how he looks, how to get rid of him, and the consequences.

                        A little information for the "medical instructor", as a representative of the most humane military profession, has already posted this here:
                        “I don’t understand. What the fuss is about, the only question is, for what reasons, politicians have not assigned white phosphorus to the BOV category. Here is the effect of white phosphorus:"It enters the body through the respiratory system, gastrointestinal tract and skin (in case of burns). Strong poison. It has a local cauterizing and general resorptive effect. In acute poisoning, it affects the heart, causes fatty degeneration of internal organs, primarily the liver (acute yellow atrophy Phosphorus poisoning occurs in the production of various flammable mixtures. MPC of phosphorus - 0,03 mg / m3. In case of vapor poisoning: headache, dizziness, nausea, bradycardia. In severe cases - excitement, alternating with depression of the nervous system. Symptoms of myocardial infarction, heart failure, possible collapse. Hepatitis develops after a few days. Ingestion: dizziness, abdominal pain, vomiting of masses that glow in the dark, emitting a garlic odor. Collapse may occur before the development of gastrointestinal disorders. In severe cases, after 2-3 days. acute yellow atrophy of the liver develops.Weakness, subcutaneous hemorrhage, hematuria, nephritis. anticipation, insomnia, hallucinations. Decreased cardiac activity, drop in body temperature, collapse, coma. Death is possible on the 7th day or later. Lethal dose - 0,05-0,15 g.Phosphorus on the skin due to its rapid ignition causes severe burns.
                        And here is the "good old mustard gas".
                        Mustard gas It causes local inflammatory changes, and also has a generally toxic effect. At the time of contact with OV, pain or other unpleasant sensations are absent. After a few hours of a latent period (2 to 3 hours with drip-liquid OM), redness, slight swelling appear on the skin, itching and burning are felt. After 18-24 hours, bubbles form along the edge of the redness in the form of a necklace, then the bubbles merge into large bubbles filled with a clear liquid that constantly becomes cloudy. In severe cases, superficial ulcers form at the site of the blisters, and after infection, deep ulcers that do not heal for a long time. The lethal dose when exposed to naked skin of a person about 4-5 grams. The concentration of mustard vapor in the air is 0,3 milligrams per liter for 2 minutes. is deadly.
                        I don’t know what is “preferable” for characterizing a chemical warfare agent and what is “more humane” according to the IDF, otherwise in Syria they are worried about OV, but what are they doing themselves?
                      4. Karish
                        Karish 18 November 2012 18: 53
                        -3
                        Quote: Kaa
                        a bit of information for the "medical instructor

                        did you copy your comment 2 months ago? We already somehow discussed this topic.

                        Quote: Kaa
                        In case of poisoning in pairs: headache, dizziness, nausea, bradycardia. In severe cases - excitement, followed by depression of the nervous system. Symptoms of myocardial infarction, heart failure, possible collapse

                        I have an even worse example
                        A mild degree of anaphylactic shock (developmental period from a few minutes to 2 hours) is manifested by flushing of the skin, itching, sneezing, sore, rhinorrhea, dizziness, headaches, hypotension, tachycardia, a feeling of heat, growing weakness, and unpleasant sensations in various areas of the body. The moderate severity of anaphylactic shock is characterized by the most developed clinical picture: toxidermia, Quincke's edema, conjunctivitis, stomatitis, circulatory disorders - palpitations, heart pain, arrhythmia, lowering blood pressure, severe weakness, dizziness, impaired vision, anxiety, agitation, feelings of fear death, trembling, pallor, cold clammy sweat, hearing loss, ringing and noise in the head, fainting. Against this background, it is possible to develop obstructive syndrome as an attack of bronchial asthma with the manifestation of cyanosis, the presence of gastrointestinal (nausea and vomiting, bloating, swelling of the tongue, pain in the lower abdomen, diarrhea with blood in the stool, sharp pains in the abdomen) and kidney ( urination, polyuria) syndromes. Severe anaphylactic shock - collapse develops with lightning speed (pallor, cyanosis, filiform pulse, a sharp decrease in pressure), coma (with loss of consciousness, involuntary defecation and urination), the pupils are dilated, their reaction to light is absent. With a subsequent drop in blood pressure, the pulse is not detected, the heart stops, breathing stops.

                        This is just an allergic reaction to peanut butter. Will the same be attributed to chemical weapons?
                      5. Kaa
                        Kaa 18 November 2012 19: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: Karish
                        This is just an allergic reaction to peanut butter. Will the same be attributed to chemical weapons?

                        If the IDF manages to develop an allergy among the entire Palestinian population, then undoubtedly. This will already be from the field of genocide, Israeli scientists "do not graze the backs"
                        "For the first time, the development of genetic weapons was openly talked about in the mid-80s of the twentieth century. In South Africa, tests were officially conducted of a substance that destroys only black people, supposedly getting into the body of a Negro, it turns off certain genes, and this leads to serious diseases and even death.According to eyewitnesses, in the laboratories of South Africa, blacks were fed contaminated corn and watered beer, to which the killer gene had been added. pure races and nations, which means that a killer gene can get out of control and start killing everyone. In 1975, any research in this area was prohibited by a special convention, and all stocks of such weapons were required to be destroyed by the country, but development continued only secretly, according to many experts, they are still being conducted under the guise of medical research. "http://antivakcina.org.ua/ge neticheskoe-oruzhie-provereno-na-negrax-i-kita
                        jcax-100-effekt-kto-sleduyushhij /
                        Former US Secretary of Defense William Cohen made sensational statements back in 1998 that he had materials at his disposal on work to create "certain types of pathogens that could be ethnically specific." A senior Western intelligence source said Israel was one of the countries Cohen had in mind. According to Western intelligence agencies, repeatedly published in the media, in Israel, active work has been ongoing for several years to create biological weapons that could only hit Arabs, but not Jews. As part of the creation of the so-called "ethnic bomb", Israeli scientists are using medical advances to identify the distinctive genes that some Arabs possess, in order to then create genetically modified bacteria or viruses. They try to use the ability of viruses and some bacteria to change the DNA inside their cells. Scientists construct deadly microorganisms that attack only carriers of distinctive genes. The program is executed at the Nes Tziyona Institute of Biology, Israel’s main research center, to create a secret arsenal of chemical and biological weapons. An anonymous employee at the center said the task was extremely difficult because both Arabs and Jews are of Semitic origin. He added, however: "We have succeeded in targeting the specific genetic profile of some Arab communities, especially people from Iraq." http://www.ruskolan.xpomo.com/rasa/genetika.htm
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 23
                        -3
                        Well, they answered me quite clearly
                  2. hypnosis
                    hypnosis 18 November 2012 14: 38
                    -6
                    I agree with you - you are to blame. They wouldn’t take bad things in their heads and heavy things in their hands, they wouldn’t go to doctors. Do not put the cart in front of the horse
                    1. RUSSIA75
                      RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 14: 56
                      +7
                      SCARY WORDS-SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO APPLY YAO Justify.
                      1. Kaa
                        Kaa 18 November 2012 19: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        SO, YOU CAN APPLY YOUR NW.

                        Well, if Israel, as always, will defend itself, then why not? Goebbels, too ... in 1941 justified the attack on the USSR as a "preemptive strike in the face of the threat of attack from the treacherous Bolsheviks."
                      2. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 19: 23
                        +7
                        I will not be surprised at all, here some comrades are in the habit of justifying and denying everything.
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 25
                        -5
                        Did you serve Fought? Faced with terrorists? If not, I recommend going to the army. Or go to the police, to the Caucasus. I wonder how you will start to look at the life of 8)
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 24
                        -2
                        Can. For example, in Japan. What do you think, how many tens of thousands of soldiers could have died if it had not been used?
                      5. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 00: 43
                        +6
                        Quote: Pimply

                        Can. For example, in Japan. What do you think, how many tens of thousands of soldiers could have died if it had not been used?

                        Have you thought well about what you just said ??? Do you justify nuclear strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki ??? The total death toll ranged from 90 to 166 thousand people in Hiroshima and from 60 to 80 thousand people in Nagasaki. These are children, old women who are not to blame for anything! Are you an adequate person ??? I have very high doubts !!! am
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 56
                        -7
                        Yes, I justify the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Like the bombing of Berlin and Dresden. Do you feel better? You see, if you went through at least one war, real, you would have thought in a slightly different way. And so - the Internet, the Internet, the Internet
                      7. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 01: 11
                        +5
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Yes, I justify the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Like the bombing of Berlin and Dresden. Do you feel better? You see, if you went through at least one war, real, you would have thought in a slightly different way. And so - the Internet, the Internet, the Internet

                        In your opinion, a person who has not passed the war cannot think adequately? You know, here and for your such statements about the justification of the bombing of nuclear weapons in Japanese cities, people begin to quietly hate the Jews! Why then be surprised? Do not blame the mirror, since the erysipelas curve am
                      8. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 26
                        -5
                        A person who has not passed the war, who has not been close to it, as a rule, cannot adequately judge it. Look at the situation not through pink glasses, but really. I have one friend. He went to Arab demonstrations, advocated peace, spoke a lot, in general. right things - but from a position from which they were absolutely unattainable. Then a rocket fell on his house - and the man hit the religion very sharply and became right. But let's not talk about him - he is almost insane.

                        And the reality is that the desire for peace is right and beautiful. Because war is very scary. It’s scary when they try to kill you, it’s scary when you kill, it’s scary for the children and women, when you detain a comrade who was going to explode with 10 kg of explosives. I have no hatred for the Arabs. Absolutely. Islam is a completely adequate religion when it is not interpreted radically. But I soberly assess the situation. Jordan and Egypt wanted peace - and there has not been a single attack by Israel since the signing of the peace treaty.

                        It happens that after the war he throws a person to the extreme - either he becomes an extreme militarist or a pacifist. However, most are not. I have some friends who went through the war here. More sensible people in judgments I have not met. I also look at this world differently. Because let not war, but the hostilities I went through. You cannot look like that - until you have gone through it. Therefore, you judge from your bell tower, but reality is a completely different reality.
                      9. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 01: 42
                        +4
                        Quote: Pimply
                        But the reality is that the desire for peace is right and beautiful. Because war is very scary. It’s scary when they try to kill you, it’s scary when you kill, it’s scary for children and women

                        And this is said by a man who justifies absolutely inhuman bombing of nuclear weapons in Japan, as well as bombing by allies, in particular the Americans and the British, Dresden and Berlin! Are you apparently scared solely for Jewish children and women? (GIVE GOD TO THEM ALL PEACE AND PEACE) am
                      10. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 54
                        -2
                        You were not at war, dear friend. Everything is simple. For example, I had to save a man who had just tried to kill me and my friends. And before that, we shot this man because he was trying to kill us. Why, how? Why can I say that? It’s just that you weren’t not at war. And until you visit a real combat situation, you will not understand.
                      11. Was mammoth
                        Was mammoth 19 November 2012 08: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Yes, I justify the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


                        Quote: Pimply
                        Like the bombing of Berlin and Dresden.


                        Our fathers, saving German children, turned out to be idiots .. s. How many Soviet soldiers could survive. You justify war crimes. Minus There are borders that cannot be crossed.
                      12. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 01: 01
                        +6
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Are you an adequate person ???

                        Vadim, this is a Jew, to the marrow of bones !!! So draw conclusions about its adequacy! belay
                      13. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 01: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Vadim, this is a Jew, to the marrow of bones !!! So draw conclusions about its adequacy!

                        You know, I'm honestly shocked by such statements from a person (I hope a reasonable one)! Even I don’t even know whether to reconsider whether my attitude to Jews is radically or to blame everything on the stupidity of one belay
                      14. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 01: 54
                        +5
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        I hope reasonable

                        Do not expect! Judaism and Zionism have never made man rational!
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Even I don’t even know whether to reconsider whether my attitude to Jews is radically

                        Yes, the Jews have nothing to do with it. To some extent, he himself is the hostages of his ideology, although they do not want to admit it. Believe that Zionism is worse than German fascism and the consequences of implementing the plans of the Bilderberg Club will be catastrophic.
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        or blame everything on the stupidity of one

                        Pimple is far from stupid and the more dangerous it is ...
                        There will be a desire, go in a personal - talk. Learn a lot of interesting things.
                      15. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 02: 05
                        -3
                        That's right, go to him in PM. A man loves to hate. He chose Jews as the object of hatred. Well - it happens.
                      16. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 02: 17
                        +5
                        Quote: Pimply
                        That's right, go to him in PM.

                        Let me somehow figure out where to go! Your moralizing that I did not fight, I don’t understand much, and where to go somewhere, they begin to bore me! You have the truth in the last instance on this site apparently! A sort of knight without fear and reproach. Just sorry not for me hi
                      17. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 30
                        -3
                        Does it scare you? Let's talk about it? 8)
                      18. GG2012
                        GG2012 19 November 2012 01: 31
                        +3
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Vadim, this is a Jew, to the marrow of bones !!!

                        This is the birth of a Jew! Ooohhhhhhhh !!!
                      19. GG2012
                        GG2012 19 November 2012 01: 34
                        +5
                        And this is the finished Zionist: Ravin - Overgrowth!
                      20. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 39
                        -5
                        Forgot Pace wink
                      21. GG2012
                        GG2012 19 November 2012 02: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Forgot Pace

                        But look how the pile on the back of your head stretched out! ...
              2. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast 18 November 2012 14: 10
                0
                EMNIP, during "Cast Lead" it was mainly about projectiles for setting a smoke screen containing white phosphorus. Standard ammunition, by the way. And since the ground operation has not yet begun, where will they come from?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 18 November 2012 14: 30
                  -5
                  Yes, here I am about the same
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 18 November 2012 17: 42
                    -2
                    Pimply.

                    You have not yet turned blue from the shamelessness of the claims presented to you?
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 26
                      -5
                      Oh, yes they are so funny 8) Well, I'm neighing.
              3. Karish
                Karish 18 November 2012 15: 32
                -3
                Quote: RUSSIA75
                Then just say, the use of ammunition with white phosphorus in general is an international crime for you personally? Whom it is for the whole world.

                Let's put some dots over AND,
                This operation has not yet been applied, if the land phase of the operation begins, I think they will apply.
                The fact that ammunition with white phosphorus is incendiary or smoke, I think there is no objection
                Now about the international crime. In general, as such, the concept applies only to
                International crime is a grave internationally wrongful act, encroaching on the foundations of the existence of states and nations, undermining the most important principles of international law, and threatening international peace and security. Responsibility for international crimes lies with the state. International crimes are:
                - aggression;
                - war crimes;
                - crimes against humanity;
                - colonialism;
                - genocide;
                - apartheid;
                - slavery;
                - ecocide.

                those. in the case of ammunition containing white phosphorus, we can talk only about violations of international conventions (and that only in case of ratification by that parliament of a given country and only for certain ammunition, since lighting and fragmentation-ignition articles do not fall under the convention). And called the CONVENTION FOR THE PROHIBITION AND RESTRICTION OF THE APPLICATION OF PHOSPHORIC AMMUNITION (the so-called third protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 2005)
                Only 53 countries have ratified this convention. Therefore, talking about a male crime is at least incorrect. Russia has not joined to this convention and uses ammunition filled with white phosphorus.
                type FZAB-500M (as an example)
                Therefore, is it for the whole world?
                Best regards
                1. RUSSIA75
                  RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 15: 46
                  +5
                  If there is a ground operation, is it a defense or is it aggression?
                  2009 Observers at Human Rights Watch accused Israel of using shells fired with white phosphorus in the Gaza Strip. According to international law, the use of such ammunition against civilian objects and civilians is prohibited, reports Associated Press.http: //lenta.ru/news/2009/01/12/phosphorus/ Regards
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 18 November 2012 15: 56
                    +10
                    Quote: RUSSIA75
                    If there is a ground operation, is it a defense or is it aggression?


                    Media: Obama administration will not allow Israeli land invasion of Gaza

                    WASHINGTON, November 18. Senior US Presidential Administration Officials Barack Obama put pressure on Israel to prevent ground operation in Gaza
                    Despite the fact that President Barack Obama verbally supports Israel’s right to self-defense, his administration is doing everything to prevent the effectiveness of the military operation against Hamas, the newspaper The New York Times writes. The argument against the ground operation is that it will inevitably cause increased Hamas influence in Gazt, on the “Palestinian street” and in the Arab world. An invasion would also result in civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip, which would be undesirable.

                    My webpage
                    1. RUSSIA75
                      RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 16: 11
                      +8
                      FROM ISRAEL, AS WE KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS ITS OWN POINT OF VIEW, IT IS COMPLETELY UNCERTAINTY-HEARED THIS TIME TO US OPINION or not.
                  2. Karish
                    Karish 18 November 2012 16: 02
                    -5
                    Quote: RUSSIA75
                    According to international law, the use of such ammunition against civilian objects and civilians is prohibited

                    The same is not true
                    the use of incendiary weapons against civilians is prohibited;
                    the use of airborne incendiary weapons against military installations in areas of civilian concentration is prohibited and the use of other types of incendiary weapons in such places is regulated;
                    it is forbidden to turn forests into an object of attack with incendiary weapons, except in cases where forests are used to shelter military installations or combatants.
                    The 3 protocol does not classify the following weapons as incendiary:
                    Weapons whose incendiary effect is random, for example lighting charges, tracers, smoke and signal systems
                    Ammunition intended for combined destruction by explosion or splinters with additional incendiary action, such as curb explosive shells and bombs; when used against military targets, such as armored vehicles, aircraft, installations, structures

                    Carefully read that this does not apply to incendiary ammunition and therefore if a piece of phosphorus that is not burnt out remains from the light rocket and someone burns from it, this does not make the light rocket incendiary ammunition. The convention is about purely incendiary ammunition, such IDF does not use
                    1. RUSSIA75
                      RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 16: 13
                      +6
                      That is, human rights organizations and information sites have conspired with everything and have been lying godlessly for many years?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 18 November 2012 18: 03
                        -8
                        That is, human rights organizations and information sites have conspired with everything and have been lying godlessly for many years?

                        Well, why are they lying right away? They work out the money. You look who finances them? I am especially touched by the UN special agency for Palestinian refugees. For no other refugees there are special agencies for UN money, but here you are. It is called UNRWA. The Agency was established in accordance with General Assembly resolution 302 (IV) of December 8 of 1949. Over the 50 years, the Agency has become one of the largest UN programs in which more than 26 thousand employees are employed. Now the question to fill in: when will the Palestinians in Gaza start creating jobs and working peacefully? Or when will the problem of "Palestinian refugees" be resolved? That's right, never. You can imagine how 26000 employees with a healthy salary will decide to really destroy the source of their income, i.e. solve the so-called "Palestinian refugee problem". The same bullshit with 99.99% of "human rights" organizations. For them, the worse the better, they master the means, and always other people's means.

                        It's not worth talking about "information sites" at all. They rewrite each other's nonsense. Here just now in Gaza they shot down the F-16 and even captured two crew members ... These are the agencies, however.

                        Karish, where does the information about "the use of incendiary weapons against civilians are prohibited"? Share a link.
                      2. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 18: 13
                        +5
                        You remind me of some nationalists - those Jews are always to blame for everything, around the world Jewish conspiracy! So you have someone to blame-UN, SALES SITES, BAD Arabs, but of course, not the Jews themselves wink
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 18 November 2012 18: 49
                        -4
                        You would first read the report of the UN commission (the so-called "Goldstone report") on the events in Gaza in 2008, and then enter into polemics.
                      4. Kaa
                        Kaa 18 November 2012 20: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor

                        You would first read the report of the UN Commission (the so-called "Goldston Report") on the events in Gaza in 2008

                        Something in Israel did not like this report: your author is clearly furious -
                        " Israel: Goldstone is not worthy of forgiveness or condescension
                        Goldstone is not worthy of forgiveness or indulgence. He committed a vile and low deed, which contradicts fundamental moral values, the principle of justice, and just common sense.
                        He betrayed these ideals, he deliberately pretended to understand nothing. He presented a precious international prize to evil and opposed those who resisted this evil. Richard Goldston will have to remain alone with his conscience, alone with his reflection in the mirror. Until the last day. Israeli Government's short-sighted refusal to cooperate with the Goldstone Commission (this is a separate topic for discussion) in no way justifies the demonstrative ignorance of unambiguous facts that are understandable to anyone who has eyes, ears and at least a bit of conscience.
                        The fact that you dare to compare Israel and Hamas is disgusting.
                        A logical question arises. Why was it necessary to focus on the crimes of Hamas committed during Operation Cast Lead? It’s hard for me to believe in your sincerity, Mr. Goldstone. Your demand to judge Hamas in accordance with international conventions of warfare once again proves that you are not able to understand the essence of the problem. No need to judge Hamas in accordance with international conventions. A complete review of obsolete conventions is needed. They met the requirements of past wars. And do not correspond to what is happening today.
                        In the modern world, in which quasi-state terrorist groups use the civilian population as a human shield, conduct hostilities inside densely populated areas, sow terror and destruction, destroying civilians, cynically use the anti-war conventions and hypocrisy of the international community, it is necessary to allow the states that suffer from terror, protect yourself by all available means.
                        You, Mr. Goldstone, have dealt a mortal blow to the ability of the only Jewish state in the world to protect its citizens and fight for its existence. Be ashamed, Judge Goldstone.
                        Based on materials: Ben Caspit inosmi.ru
                        Опубликовано: 05 апреля 2011 http://www.antiterror.kz/terrorizm/news_2011-04-05-10-11-01-209.html
                        Professor, did you yourself read the report, or so blurted out, the effect for?
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 18 November 2012 21: 30
                        -8
                        How many letters have you copied (usually Comrade Ascetic indulges in this), and on the merits of the issue under discussion (white phosphorus) not a single one.
                      6. Karish
                        Karish 18 November 2012 18: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        That is, human rights organizations and information sites conspired to all and godlessly lie, for the past many years

                        That would be somehow understandable. read their (human rights defenders) opinions and comments, at least on the Chechen war
                      7. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 18: 20
                        +5
                        Karish,

                        That would be somehow understandable. read their (human rights defenders) opinions and comments, at least on the Chechen war
                        You see, my dear, unlike you, I can accept some facts of human rights organizations, and indeed, in some cases we have gone too far somewhere, I do not deny it with foam at the mouth! We seem to have a different upbringing, well these are questions for parents.
                      8. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 29
                        -3
                        Well, and again - did you serve?
                  3. Karish
                    Karish 18 November 2012 18: 27
                    -4
                    Quote: RUSSIA75
                    in the Gaza Strip shells stuffed with white phosphorus. According to international law, the use of such ammunition against civilian objects and civilians is prohibited,

                    I tell you about Kuzma, you tell me about Yeryom. I wrote to you in Russian in white and the very provision of the 3rd protocol (official) and what ammunition refers to. Do you not know how to read or just stubbornly gobble up the drill?
                    1. RUSSIA75
                      RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 18: 30
                      +6
                      So you want to tell me that they bombed exclusively with lighting and smoke?
                  4. Pimply
                    Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 26
                    -2
                    How do you feel about the war in Syria?

                    Well, and according to international law, they are just allowed, but are recommended for careful use.
                2. RUSSIA75
                  RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 16: 35
                  +5
                  Karish
                  According to the provisions of the Convention on the prohibition or restriction of the use of specific types of conventional weapons, the use of incendiary weapons is prohibited against civilian objects and civilians. During the explosion of a projectile filled with white phosphorus, the balls of phosphorus self-ignite, forming a cloud of thick white smoke. As the population density in the Gaza Strip is high, there is a high probability of chemical and thermal damage to people and the occurrence of fires in civilian facilities.
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 18 November 2012 18: 12
                    -1
                    Quote: RUSSIA75
                    As the population density in the Gaza Strip is high, there is a high probability of chemical and thermal damage to people and the occurrence of fires in civilian facilities.

                    Read and it says specifically
                    Does not apply to incendiary weapons, which means it is allowed


                    Quote: Karish
                    The 3 protocol does not classify the following weapons as incendiary:
                    Weapons whose incendiary effect is random, for example lighting charges, tracers, smoke and signal systems
            3. Kaa
              Kaa 18 November 2012 20: 23
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              And so it is, standard. RT, designed for Arab viewers and cheers.

              That's why RT rocket banged, they see the format, if not for those designed ...
              1. RUSSIA75
                RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 20: 41
                +2
                Quote: Kaa
                That's why RT rocket banged, they see the format, if not for those designed ...

                Apparently so.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 30
                -3
                Beat on Hamas antennas, which are located on the roof and are used to communicate with units. Not aware of such tactics?
                1. RUSSIA75
                  RUSSIA75 19 November 2012 02: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: Pimply

                  Beat on Hamas antennas, which are located on the roof and are used to communicate with units. Not aware of such tactics?

                  And still it is necessary to beat on apartments, by the fact that there are stationary phones and bad Arabs communicate among themselves with their help wink lol
          2. Karish
            Karish 18 November 2012 15: 49
            -1
            Quote: RUSSIA75
            Such weapons can cause especially grave and painful injuries or provoke a slow and painful death.

            In general, like any weapon. Poisonous gases, for example, guarantee a quick and painless death and?
            Quote: RUSSIA75
            The treatment of such injuries requires specially trained medical personnel who can also receive phosphorus wounds during work (Wikipedia)

            all this is not relevant since We are talking about war, not about playing in the sandbox. The purpose of the war is to destroy the enemy, and not pat him on the pope with a towel, while there are wounded people - of course. Sometimes scary, but it's a war.

            Quote: RUSSIA75
            Well, think a couple of dozen Palestinians accidentally get so charred, and whoever doesn’t burn, dies a painful death, well, there the lungs will burn out

            Guilty are those who conduct hostilities hiding behind the back of the civilian population. (which is a violation of the first protocol of the Geneva Convention) for some reason no one asks what the launchers are doing in the residential neighborhoods of Gaza and who asked these Palestinians if Grads can be installed in schools, hospitals, mosques.
            Quote: RUSSIA75
            That is, it does not count, like they themselves are to blame?

            Answer it yourself.
            1. RUSSIA75
              RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 16: 04
              +4
              First, you know, the Palestinians have no tanks, no aircraft! PALESTINE IN PRINCIPLE DOES NOT POSSESS AND WILL NEVER POSSESS SUCH ADVANCED ARMY AS ISRAEL! So this is not war, but banal extermination. This is my subjective opinion! The second, based on the first, you get an answer to where they install their catapults and karamultuki (which I do not approve of at all), since in the open space they will be destroyed even in preparation for the launch! Third, I do not justify anyone and have never been a defender of any terrorists. I hope this is clear.
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 18 November 2012 17: 41
              +2
              Quote: Karish
              while there are wounded - of course. Sometimes scary, but it's a war.

              Among civilians. And is this normal?
              Quote: Karish
              for some reason no one asks what the launchers are doing in the residential neighborhoods of Gaza, and who asked these Palestinians whether Grad can be installed in schools, hospitals, mosques.

              Well, use a military trick, lure them into a "clear field".
              1. Karish
                Karish 18 November 2012 18: 16
                -2
                Quote: revnagan
                Among civilians. And is this normal?

                not normal. but this is the harsh truth of life. How many civilians died during the bombing in Chechnya? If we allowed ourselves such a thing, we could have long forgotten about the Arab terror.
                To date, 5 civilians have died in Gaza (17th day), a total of 52.

                Quote: revnagan
                Well, use a military trick, lure them into a "clear field".

                How ? A piece of sausage or something? This is their tactics, in the field they will not want for any gingerbread.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 31
                -2
                Have you participated in at least one combat operation? I think no. Otherwise, such nonsense would not have been written
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 18 November 2012 20: 21
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Why there is no comment on the IDF press service. I would like to hear the answers to these questions

          Good question! Maybe "the truth is out there"?
    6. Pimply
      Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 24
      -3
      Who the author is already visible by the title of the article 8))
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 18 November 2012 19: 06
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Who the author is already visible by the title of the article 8))

        What is this your- 8)?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 31
          -4
          My headlines have their own characteristics.
    7. revnagan
      revnagan 18 November 2012 17: 12
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      each dog has his own day

      And for Israel, this day will come before 2020 ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 18 November 2012 18: 05
        -5
        Can I have an exact date? I’ll scroll through the grandmother’s bookmaker and donate them to the fund for assistance to sexual minorities ... laughing
        1. ikrut
          ikrut 18 November 2012 23: 46
          +3
          Professor, I’ll scroll through the grandmother’s bookmaker and donate them to the fund for assistance to sexual minorities.
          Do you empathize so much with footers? Why suddenly? Also "democrats" and tolerants?
  10. mikula
    mikula 17 November 2012 15: 01
    -10
    The author - Israel, under the pretext of the fight against terrorism, began aggression against the Gaza Strip.

    Lord, how the blatant lies of such "authors" were lifted. I didn't even read the article. For all reasonable, I declare - Israel launched an operation in Gaza to stop the shelling of residential areas of its cities that has been going on for a decade. And if, in the opinion of someone, this is not a sufficient reason, then I declare to him - be treated and not give advice.
    1. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 17 November 2012 15: 45
      +10
      If Israel had not blown up a car, breaking the ceasefire, there would have been no subsequent shelling and casualties.
      Israel that everything is allowed - can kill whom he wants and where he wants?
      1. Karish
        Karish 17 November 2012 16: 35
        -4
        Quote: Andrey_K
        If Israel had not blown up a car, breaking the ceasefire, there would have been no subsequent shelling and casualties.
        Israel that everything is allowed - can kill whom he wants and where he wants?

        Probably if Hamas hadn’t attacked an army jeep (injuring four soldiers) and started firing at Israel (more than 4 missiles) 100 days before, then they definitely wouldn’t have destroyed the car with the commander of the Hamas forces.
        The truce was broken by Hamas. IMHO
        1. Andrey_K
          Andrey_K 17 November 2012 16: 52
          +12
          All I found:
          http://anna-news.info/node/8732
          On the night and morning of November 14, a relative lull was observed in the Gaza Strip. At about 10:00 local time, dozens of Palestinians tried to block the 446th highway and threw stones at the military and police. No injuries have been reported. At about 14:00 no less than four missiles were launched on the territory of the Eshkol Regional Council. Two of them exploded in the village, newsru.co.il reported.

          The Israel Defense Forces have launched Operation Cloud Pillar. At about 16:30 in the Gaza Strip, a pinpoint airstrike destroyed the deputy head of the Hamas combat wing of the Iz Ad-Din Al-Qassam brigades, Ahmad Al-Jabari. The blow fell on the car in which Al-Jabari was traveling. His son died with him.

          Those. you would think that it all started with the Palestinians throwing stones at the police and firing 4 rockets.
          But before that, too, there was something - why on earth did the Palestinians begin to block the route and launch rockets?
          There was probably some kind of provocation.
          Yes, and it is still necessary to deal with missiles - how many fighters of other groups are hanging around there?
          Anyone could launch four rockets - so that Israel had a reason to bomb the Palestinians.
          In any case, there were no victims of that action, and Israel unreasonably launched its "Cloud Pillar".
          1. Karish
            Karish 17 November 2012 17: 01
            -5
            Quote: Andrey_K
            Those. you would think that it all started with the Palestinians throwing stones at the police and firing 4 rockets.

            It all started on 10.11.12/XNUMX/XNUMX
            November 10, 2012. Palestinian media in the Gaza Strip reports a new terrorist raid on the border of the Gaza Strip. The terrorists reportedly managed to knock out an IDF jeep that was patrolling the border in the central part of the Sector, opposite the Zeitun quarter of the eastern suburb of Gaza with an anti-tank shell. “The troops were seriously injured, two others were lightly wounded

            Quote: Andrey_K
            But before that, too, there was something - why on earth did the Palestinians begin to block the route and launch rockets?

            In general, these are completely different places.
            They threw stones near Jerusalem, rockets fired from Gaza.

            Quote: Andrey_K
            Anyone could launch four rockets - so that Israel had a reason to bomb the Palestinians.

            ??????????????
            Quote: Andrey_K
            In any case, there were no victims of that action, and Israel unreasonably began its "Cloud Pillar

            4 days of shelling, 100 missiles - this is no reason. I wonder what would Russia do if it received one City from Georgia?
            1. Andrey_K
              Andrey_K 17 November 2012 17: 15
              +7
              ??????????????

              Besides Hamas, the same "Islamic Jihad" is wandering around there.
              And what kind of terrorists attacked the patrol - did they find out?
              When there is a war next to Syria - to which, incidentally, militants are being recruited under the banner of war with Israel - any armed group could wander around - it's not far.
              By the way, Israel shortly before this fired at one such (in response to a mortar attack) - so this attack could be revenge from the Syrian militants.

              (and by the way - 100 missiles after the assassination of Palestinian leaders?)

              Well, the last option - we are looking for who benefits - perhaps it was Israel itself who organized it - after all, Abbas was going to put the question of the recognition of the Palestinian state to a vote, and Israel in response threatened to take "the most decisive" measures.
              The best thing you can think of is to organize another war with the Palestinians when they are not up to recognition.
              As a result, Abbas interrupted his visit and urgently returned home - i.e. The goal of the operation was successfully achieved.
              1. Karish
                Karish 17 November 2012 17: 24
                -1
                Quote: Andrey_K
                Besides Hamas, the same "Islamic Jihad" is wandering around there.

                First of all, Hamas claimed responsibility for the shelling, and then who cares who fired at us? Hamas poses as the only government in Gaza - you don’t understand it yourself - answer.

                Quote: Andrey_K
                By the way, Israel shortly before this fired at one such (in response to a mortar attack) - so this attack could be revenge from the Syrian militants.

                Israel fired (destroying 2 guns) Syrian regular troops. For the shelling (allegedly by mistake) of Israeli territory.
                Quote: Andrey_K
                Well, the last option - we are looking for someone who is profitable - maybe it was Israel itself that organized it - after all, Abbas was going to put on the vote the issue of recognizing the Palestinian state

                I don’t understand how it helps Israel? Further, you probably are not in the subject. The West Bank (Abbas) and Hamas (Gaza) are completely different and not an enclave. Hamas is at war with Fatah (Abbas). Therefore, Abbas is now sitting in Ramallah and quietly pissing with happiness with boiling water, rejoicing as Israel waters Gaza.

                Quote: Andrey_K
                As a result, Abbas interrupted his visit and urgently returned home - i.e. The goal of the operation was successfully achieved.

                In general, Abbas spends more abroad than at home. Interrupted the visit? So the vote in December and there he is unlikely to be present. By the way, for some reason, Abbas is silent like a fish (by the way, why it is clear). Well, to top it off, you probably don't understand the distance. From Jerusalem (the capital of Israel), to Ramallah (where Abbas sits) is exactly 6 km. laughing
                1. Andrey_K
                  Andrey_K 17 November 2012 17: 40
                  +9
                  What is the difference with whom to fight?
                  Fatah or Hamaz - the goal (to disrupt the recognition of the Palestinian state) will be achieved in any case.
                  Fatah isn’t fighting with our hands, so we’ll fight with Hamas.
                  And did Hamas recognize those 4 missiles and the attack on patrol?
                  Or did she also "admit" this, as at one time Syria "recognized" the shelling of Turkey?
                  In response to which Turkey killed the Syrian soldiers, they were not involved in the shelling at all.
                  Just like Israel killed the Palestinian leaders, because he wanted to kill them (and not look for who actually attacked there).

                  Hamas poses as the only government in Gaza - you don’t understand it yourself - answer.

                  What is this "hostage" tactic?
                  For each attack on a military patrol, a certain number of Palestinians (and their leaders) will be killed - "since this is their territory and they are responsible for everything"?
                  For the killing of an Israelite - so many Palestinians will be killed.
                  For firing rockets - so much that.
                  Etc.
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 17 November 2012 17: 46
                    -4
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    What is the difference with whom to fight?
                    Fatah or Hamaz - the goal (to disrupt the recognition of the Palestinian state) will be achieved in any case.

                    Well, they proclaim, and? What will change?
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    And did Hamas recognize those 4 missiles and the attack on patrol?

                    In nete there is enough information that happened on 10.11.12 in Israel. you will not find small

                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    What is this "hostage" tactic?

                    just a second. I somehow did not understand, in response to the shelling of Tskhinvali. Did you catch specific soldiers who pressed the trigger or called Georgia to account?
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    For each attack on a military patrol, a certain number of Palestinians (and their leaders) will be killed - "since this is their territory and they are responsible for everything"?

                    How do you want it . What would we run with flashlights for a specific Mahmoud?

                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    For the killing of an Israelite - so many Palestinians will be killed.
                    For firing rockets - so much that.
                    Etc.

                    And further down the list. We do not touch you, do not want to get the stars. do not go in. Or someone makes them fire, all purely personal desire.
                    1. Andrey_K
                      Andrey_K 17 November 2012 17: 55
                      +4
                      Quote: Karish
                      Well, they proclaim, and? What will change?

                      Apparently something will change, since all this noise is being raised because of this and they are trying to dissuade the Palestinians (by all means).

                      PS
                      Well, Russia 8.8.8 did not begin to bomb Tbilisi, but limited itself to having expelled the Georgian army from South Ossetia.
                      And Saakashvilli is still alive.
                      1. Karish
                        Karish 17 November 2012 18: 15
                        -3
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Apparently something will change, since all this noise is being raised because of this and they are trying to dissuade the Palestinians (by all means).

                        This will lead to a break in all agreements with Israel. because under the Oslo agreement, both parties are prohibited from making precedents violating the status quo.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Well, Russia 8.8.8 did not begin to bomb Tbilisi, but limited itself to having expelled the Georgian army from South Ossetia.

                        I understand you do not know the history of BV., But you must know something about Russia. Saakashvili is alive, the question is whether Russia bombed the territory of Georgia?
                      2. igor67
                        igor67 17 November 2012 21: 33
                        -3
                        Andrey_K,
                        Limited to fireworks: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zMdbR52r8Qg
              2. Konrad
                Konrad 17 November 2012 18: 31
                -4
                Quote: Andrey_K
                Well, the last option - we are looking for someone profitable - maybe this is Israel itself and organized

                You haven't come up with anything smarter? Israel is acting correctly, the terrorists do not deserve another! By the way, retaliation strikes are delivered against terrorist targets very accurately. And no need to scream about "civilians", you might think Hamaz and other shushara are throwing sweets on the heads of the Israelis, not military missiles. It would be ours, as always, "not to give in to provocations."
                1. elenagromova
                  17 November 2012 23: 32
                  +10
                  Here are photos of the dead and wounded ... http://sana.sy/ara/3/2012/11/17/452846.htm
                  Including - a small child ...
                  1. spok
                    spok 18 November 2012 00: 07
                    +5
                    Yes, nobody called Jews to the land of Palestine
                2. irkut2000
                  irkut2000 17 November 2012 23: 53
                  +4
                  Israel is the terrorists and executioners.
                  And Hamas is fighting for its homeland, Palestine, and it will win!
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 18 November 2012 17: 50
              +4
              Quote: Karish
              I wonder what would Russia do if it received one City from Georgia?

              The comparison is incorrect: if Russia had occupied Georgia, and the Georgian terrorists launched the Grad from the territory ... well, let's say Karabakh, then in this case the comparison would be appropriate. And it’s a complete demagogy.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 33
                -3
                Well, according to Georgia, Russia occupied it. You do not know? And according to the majority of the world community, too
                1. OSTAP BENDER
                  OSTAP BENDER 19 November 2012 01: 47
                  +2
                  Pimpy! Does Georgia have an opinion? The opinion of Georgia is the opinion of the State Department, and the opinion of the world community is the opinion of the same State Department, multiplied by the opinion of the world backstage, and the opinion of the world backstage is the opinion of a fascist clique!
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 56
                    -5
                    Well, you think that Georgia does not have its own opinion. And she believes that there is. And he considers his territories occupied. Note, I'm not talking about the correctness or wrongness of that war. I’m just telling you this is the position. And the State Department has nothing to do with it.
                    1. OSTAP BENDER
                      OSTAP BENDER 19 November 2012 02: 27
                      +3
                      Pimpy! Sorry, but I insist that Georgia does not have an opinion, all the gestures of August, and the subsequent ones, were with the knowledge of the State Department, and with its full approval! So to speak the US shout in the Caucasus! I noted that you did not talk about the correctness of this war, but I did not give a legal assessment of this war!
                    2. GG2012
                      GG2012 19 November 2012 02: 40
                      +4
                      Quote: Pimply
                      I’m just telling you this is the position. And the State Department has nothing to do with it.

                      I’ll correct you, if there weren’t the State Department, Georgia wouldn’t have such a position at all.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 30
        -5
        It's funny I recommend watching the chronicle. What a truce, dear, why are you? A few days earlier, an Israeli jeep was blown up and several dozen rockets were fired within a few days.
    2. axmed05
      axmed05 17 November 2012 15: 45
      +5
      That's right, only after the six-day war did you take a little land from them, that's why
      Quote: mikula
      residential areas of their cities
      debatable. The truth and the rightness that you would not give a damn about would be on your side if you lived within a certain UN.
      1. Karish
        Karish 17 November 2012 17: 51
        -1
        Quote: axmed05
        The truth and the rightness that you would not give a damn about would be on your side if you lived within a certain UN.

        Type in Google the war for liberation and accidentally discover that the one who did not recognize the UN plan to divide Palestine - were Arabs and NEXT DAY, after the proclamation of a state at the UN, they attacked Israel. Well, who’s to blame for what they got in the face (by the way, then Israel remained within the borders of 1948-UN) All subsequent wars (launched by the same Arabs led them only to the loss of territories. Well, it would be clearer. Germany lost the war, was left without Koenigsberg, I am a pony without the Kuril Islands.What is the difference? We did not start these wars.
        1. axmed05
          axmed05 18 November 2012 00: 36
          +4
          Quote: Karish
          Type in Google the war for liberation and accidentally discover
          I did not deny all your wars, I just said "Truth and righteousness that you would not care about would be on your side if you lived within a certain UN."
          Quote: Karish
          Well, what would be more understandable. Germany lost the war, was left without Konigsberg, I pony without the Kuril Islands. What is the difference ?
          The difference in knowledge of the measure, the accession of these lands to the USSR did not lead to new wars with these countries.
          Quote: Karish
          We did not start these wars.
          You came there, created a state there, and this provoked wars (I do not dispute whether they had the right to these lands or didn’t, I only state a fact).
        2. mar.tira
          mar.tira 18 November 2012 15: 05
          +4
          Quote: Karish
          the one who did not recognize the UN plan to divide Palestine - were Arabs

          Today I found a film on the internet. It's called "Why did Stalin create Israel?" Palestinian lands !!!!! In order to weaken the British influence in the Middle East !!! I have not seen more delirium!
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 34
        -3
        For fun - take a look under whose protectorate were the West Bank and Gaza. O-pa - Jordan and Egypt, and no one stuttered about the creation of the state.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 17 November 2012 16: 20
      +16
      Quote: mikula
      Israel launched an operation in Gaza to stop a decade-long shelling of residential areas in its cities.


      If the shelling has been going on for decades, then why have all the previous operations not led to any result? Israel hosts similar CTOs every four years like the Olympic Games. There was "Cast Lead" now here is the "Cloud Pillar". And here and there everything happens the same. Militants, infrastructure, caches, warehouses are destroyed, and as a result everything starts all over again. The emir arrives from Doha and gives money, everyone dances and laughs except Israel. This operation will end, again someone will give money, after a while there will again be some sort of "Wrought iron" or "Sunny ravine"
      "No country should suffer from missile strikes, the question is how to stop them forever And no one gives an answer to this question. It means Israel, despite all its ground operations, tactical missile defense systems, the most technologically advanced and strongest army in the Middle East, the vaunted Mossad
      will be doomed and further is under fire artisanal paplestinian missiles. And according to the Israelis, everyone is to blame, but not Israel and its government (especially the clown Netanyahu with his red line)
      Let us turn to the elementary theory of control. Exist problem,those. the difference between the desired state of affairs and the actual. Is set goal- resolution of the problem, that is, achieving the desired state of things. To achieve the goal, it is necessary to solve a certain set of problems. Their structures are solved, in which personnel are employed, using resources allocated for solving problems ... and so on.
      The problem exists - rocket fire. The goal was set once and forever to protect yourself from this scourge. There is a set of tasks that need to be solved, structures are created and there are necessary personnel. But the problem is not solved already a long period. Conclusion. So at some of these levels the system crashes. So the structures that are designed to provide a solution to the problem at least incompetent or have completely different goals than a solution to this problem. And do not puff out your cheeks and be offended by the whole world. Understand your management chain.
      1. Professor
        Professor 17 November 2012 17: 06
        -16
        will be doomed and will continue to be bombarded by artisanal paplestinian rockets

        Enlighten us please, how many missiles were launched across Israel from the West Bank (Samaria and Judea)?
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 17 November 2012 17: 26
          +17
          Quote: Professor
          Enlighten us please, how many missiles were launched across Israel from the West Bank (Samaria and Judea)?


          In words, do not cling, you know that we are talking about the Gaza Strip. The essence of my post will not change. Or have something to say about the Problem-Purpose-Tasks.
          I will listen with pleasure when will the shelling of Israel lasting decades last all the same. So far, from you demagogues, conversations at the level of the children's sandbox, who first started .. Nothing more ... The question has been asked .. I am waiting for an answer
          1. Karish
            Karish 17 November 2012 17: 37
            -12
            Quote: Ascetic
            Do not cling to the words, you know that we are talking about the Gaza Strip

            and why cling to? Why are you writing nonsense. I have to think it over. what do you mean
            Quote: Ascetic
            I will listen with pleasure when all the same the shelling of Israel, which lasts decades, will cease.

            A very long time does not stop. as in Chechnya, it does not stop for a long time in Dagestan, Sri Lanka, Spain, Ulster, Colombia, and dozens of other countries where there is a terrorist underground.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 17 November 2012 18: 15
              +10
              Quote: Karish
              why cling to? Why are you writing nonsense. I have to think it over. what do you mean


              Well, here again, the kindergarten in the sandbox. now it’s already reached a conversation in style himself . Then snot piss for what I was banned

          2. Professor
            Professor 17 November 2012 17: 40
            -9
            I grasped the essence of your post very well. Nevertheless, there has never been any shelling of Israel from the West Bank. From Gaza, they began to fire before the withdrawal of the IDF. So there is no talk of any shelling "lasting for decades".
            The shelling will end when Hamas in Gaza has the same power as Samaria and Judea, which can be solved by military and political means. The "ironing" of Gaza is going on, and on the western bank, even the intifada is not frightened. Now think about who benefits from it. Bibi and Abu Mazen. One has elections on the horizon, while the other is hungry for power over Gaza.
            From Lebanon, too, periodically fired. Now 6 years of deathly silence, and Nasrallah will not get out of the bunker for the seventh year ...
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 17 November 2012 18: 23
              +6
              Quote: Professor
              So there is no talk of any shelling "lasting for decades".


              Gaza attacks on Israeli territory

              My webpage
              1. Professor
                Professor 18 November 2012 09: 55
                -5
                My webpage

                Broken Link sad
            2. WW3
              WW3 17 November 2012 18: 35
              +4
              Quote: Professor
              Nevertheless, there has never been any shelling of Israel from the West Bank. From Gaza, they began to fire before the withdrawal of the IDF. So there is no talk of any shelling "lasting for decades".

              Until August 2005, the Israeli settlements were in the Gaza Strip, so they were shelled, then the villages and troops were withdrawn ... and the Gaza Strip is now shelling Israel itself with kasams ...
          3. Dimon Lviv
            Dimon Lviv 18 November 2012 09: 44
            +4
            He always clings to words, is engaged in sophistry, this is his style debating trolling.
        2. Karish
          Karish 17 November 2012 17: 27
          -11
          Quote: Professor
          Enlighten us please, how many missiles were launched across Israel from the West Bank (Samaria and Judea)?

          not enlighten. He always posits himself as a kind of expert on the issue, not understanding either the essence of the conflict, or even geography tongue
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 17 November 2012 17: 44
            +8
            Quote: Karish
            He always poses as a kind of expert on the issue, not understanding the essence of the conflict, or even geography


            Well, enlighten the connoisseur of essence and the great Palestinian geographer, Or the main thing is to yap like a jackal Tobacco in the cartoon about Mowgli. Go away..

            1. Karish
              Karish 17 November 2012 18: 01
              -7
              Quote: Ascetic
              so enlighten the connoisseur of the essence and the great Palestinian geographer,

              The West Bank and Gaza are an enclave absolutely unrelated to each other. There was not a single shelling from the west bank.
              Gaza - south, bordered by Egypt. West Bank - Territories along the Jordan River, bordered by Jordan.
              The West Bank is controlled by Fatah (Abbas), Gaza - Hamas (Mashal). Two organizations that hate and fight each other. Fatah - secular. Hamas is fundamental Islam.
              The two enclaves are neither mentally nor related (because from time immemorial, the West Bank belonged to Jordan. Gaza to Egypt)
              Arabs from the coast always treated Arabs from Gaza as Muscovites say to Chelyabinsk, Gaza paid them the same
              Lucidly explained?
              By the way, Ascetic, he called his army to minus all his jackal? Or is it somehow strange, you’ll grapple with you, minuses the sea. but no comments .
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 17 November 2012 19: 00
                +10
                Quote: Karish
                By the way, Ascetic, he called his army to minus all his jackal? but no comments.


                Relax, soldier. Because you are engaged in a lot of demagogy, and sometimes I catch you on it, I won’t get dirty anymore ... listen better to the song ..

                Yes, you have a mom teacher,
                Yes, you have a dad a pianist,
                Yes, you have the opposite
                What kind of tanker are you in FIG?



                Quote: Karish
                By the way Ascetic


                By the way, Karish you, a renegade and an emigrant, called visitors to the Russian site
                SHAKALYA RATH. If for each a ban, What will happen in the end? So that filter the bazaar,
                1. igor67
                  igor67 17 November 2012 21: 44
                  -3
                  Ascetic,
                  Stanislav, what happened? You used to be more polite, let's all the same without expressions. Last year, I went to rest with a group of Russian tourists in the same bus, along the western bank of the Jordan River. PA, Jericho passed by, made many stops for shopping, and so after your Ievlev, a RTR correspondent who always barks and barks that he reports from Jericho on the west coast of the Jordan and beyond, and then Gaza, which is a hundred kilometers away from Jericho, and so yours were shocked by what they saw and from the fact that the magazine
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 18 November 2012 02: 50
                    +6
                    Quote: igor67
                    Stanislav, what happened?


                    igor67
                    Hi Sanya! Be quiet, then in the ban ... You’ll go,


                    Sometimes it’s better to remain silent than to say stupidity

                    Quote: Karish
                    not enlighten. He always posits himself as a kind of expert on the issue, not understanding either the essence of the conflict, or even geography
                    Quote: Karish
                    By the way, Ascetic, he called his army to minus all his jackal? but no comments.




                    Quote: igor67
                    Ievlev, a RTR correspondent who always barks


                    Haha also noticed. And what kind of life is there in the West Bank? Always, authorities steal, people throw shoes. Now it’s clear why the Arabs are barefoot (for some reason they like to call them so in the comments)

                    About 50 people in Hebron threw shoes on a poster depicting Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad in protest against the low standard of living in the West Bank. Fayyad is reviewing government economic policies. The current protests are the largest in the history of the Palestinian Authority.


                    1. igor67
                      igor67 18 November 2012 02: 52
                      -5
                      feel Ascetic,
                      for what? belay
                2. Rumata
                  Rumata 18 November 2012 03: 45
                  -7
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  By the way, Karish you, a renegade and an emigrant, called visitors to the Russian site
                  SHAKALYA RATH. If for each a ban, What will happen in the end? So filter the bazaar

                  The ascetic is still a frame. I recently received a warning calling him paranoid, and I myself, besides arguing about what a damn thing does not know, and making a bunch of banal blunders, also insults members of the forum. It turns out we are "tyfka", "snot and drool" and in the same spirit. Who moderates the moderators, and then some kind of kindergarten
                3. Straus_zloy
                  Straus_zloy 18 November 2012 09: 03
                  +3
                  I didn’t expect anything from you ...
                  .If site visitors begin to divide by kosher "TRUE" on the one hand and emigrants and renegades on the other, it’s better for me to immediately get banned for life. This is no different from inciting ethnic and / or religious hatred, prohibited by the rules of the site.
                  You yourself will not hang a warning?
                  Yes, Karish was wrong, using the words "jackal army", but you are a moderator, this imposes certain responsibilities and requirements for restraint. You have always been correct in discussions, but today:

                  "from you demagogues", "snot and drooling for which they banned me", "Pshel get out ..".

                  If this is not rudeness, then I do not know what rudeness is. I would like to believe that this is just a bad mood, not a conscious policy, otherwise I repeat - it’s better for me to immediately in a life ban
                  Or on the site are all equal, but some are more equal than others.?

                  In my previous posts, you can see / recall that I have no special sympathy for the Jews / Israel. Nevertheless, I will not attribute to them unnecessary sins, they, like everyone, have enough of their own.
                  But trying to figure it out. Why did you bring the song of beetles "Tankist", which is idiotic from my point of view, and even diligently highlighted the chorus, as well as some other hints, I have to ask:
                  Ascetic, do you happen to be anti-Semite?

                  I would be glad to make a mistake.

                  As a result of the disaster that befell my Homeland at the beginning of 90, I, as well as part of the population, were far from it. Not everyone went for a long ruble dollar, as some of our near-witted opponents claim. Some saved their lives simply by jumping out of the fire of conflicts that flared up under weak power. Some could no longer see the collapse of everything that they believed in and that they had built their whole lives. Someone was deceived, by the way Israel loved it very much. Someone just needed a quality treatment that became unavailable under the ever-booming president. A long ruble dollar cunning xnumx It was much easier for entrepreneurial people to earn money by staying in Russia and catching fish in the muddy water of 90x.
                  So before rushing into words that can offend everyone, for one reason or another, who are far away from Russia, it would be nice for those who remained to remember no less than those who left had the responsibility for the death of the country, which was our common home,. The death which caused a gigantic outcome not only of Jews or those who always looked away, but also those who never thought about leaving
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 18 November 2012 11: 52
                    +17
                    Quote: Straus_zloy
                    that I have no special sympathy for the Jews / Israel. Nevertheless, I will not attribute to them unnecessary sins, they, like everyone, have enough of their own


                    It's not about the Jews or the Jews. I served in the army for almost 30 years and it was customary there to divide people not by nationality, but by the principle, man or so-so neither fish nor meat, to say the least. Moreover, it did not depend on the beliefs and views and opinions of the authorities. So Karish and the likes of a demagogue and provocateur like him and there are plenty of banal mistakes and frank distortions of facts and demagogic statements. This is apparently not only my opinion judging by the number of its minuses on the forum. It turns out that you divide people according to the principle if Jew means he is always right, and if anyone criticizes the Jew (note that the user is not a user’s name, namely, a Jew) it’s completely irrelevant for what reason, be it the Nazi policy of Israel or the fact that a person allows himself to scold, cling to words, get into discussion to humiliate an opponent, change facts, and conduct a discussion in a mentoring style
                    the question is the answer, in advance putting him in the position of making excuses means that demagogue and anti-Semite.
                    Quote: Straus_zloy
                    Some saved their lives simply by jumping out of the fire of conflicts that flared up under weak power. Some could no longer see the collapse of everything that they believed in and that they had built their whole lives. Someone was deceived, by the way, Israel loved it very much. Someone simply needed high-quality treatment, which became inaccessible under the ever-booming president. And a long ruble dollar to smart entrepreneurial people was much easier to earn by staying in Russia and catching fish in the muddy waters of the 0s.


                    When my father dealt with the liquidation of the BZHRK in the 90s, he often had to fly to Geneva at the time to negotiate with the Americans on this issue (coordination of technology, liquidation, forces, means, etc.) So he told when he saw composition American specialists it was just in shock, 60% of these experts consisted of Soviet Jews, which is further your quote. And then he showed me a photo (general picture)
                    and said, I still served with this, I know from Yuzhmash, this one worked in the Ministry of Environment and that in the design bureau at Nadiradze, etc. Nothing personal just facts. He is a traitor and in Africa a traitor, regardless of whether he is Jewish or not
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 18 November 2012 12: 36
                      -6
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      I served in the army for almost 30 years, and there it was customary to divide people not according to nationality, but according to the principle, man or so-so, neither fish nor meat, to say the least

                      So how is it ? What type of self are you? I'm the same from the military family and have seen enough of both admirable people and those * who have served * Therefore, 30 years in the army does not mean anything
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      So Karish and the like demagogue and provocateur

                      Only facts, unlike your mistakes and demagoguery (I agree in all comments, but to admit your mistakes is not for you)
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      . It turns out that you divide people according to the principle if a Jew means he is always right, and if someone criticizes a Jew (note not a user’s name but a Jew) it’s completely irrelevant for what reason,

                      We are not always right, and indeed right (always does not exist) except you, of course
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      be it the nazi policy of Israel

                      This is about facts as well as demagogy. Understand first the definition of the word - Nazi (Nazi), and then say something. Or again, everyone should think out? In the words of my company-Guess supposedly herself.
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      cling to words to get into discussion in order to humiliate an opponent

                      Indeed, to your expression - the Nazi policy of Israel - you can’t call it the same as to complain about words and humiliation.
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      mentor-style discussion

                      Are you this to yourself?
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      When my father dealt with the liquidation of the BZHRK in the 90s, he often had to fly to Geneva at the time to negotiate with the Americans on this issue (coordination of technology, liquidation, forces, means, etc.) So he told when he saw the composition of American experts was simply in shock, 60% of these experts consisted of Soviet Jews, which is your quote. And then he showed me a photo (general picture)


                      Facts names, passwords, appearances. It is desirable to publish a photo (that would not be unfounded)
                      And by the way, what are the negotiations over? Reduced BRDM? So your father had a hand in this? Because of your dad, the USSR lost * Satan *?
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      For 60% of these experts consisted of Soviet Jews, which is your quote.

                      What is my quote? By the way, as I understand it (if they were, they were at least the level of your father’s competence, otherwise what would they do there)
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      and said, I still served with this, I know from Yuzhmash, this one worked in the Ministry of Environment and that in the design bureau at Nadiradze, etc. Nothing personal just facts.

                      Third at Kalugin, fourth at Poteev, Shcherbakov to continue? How many traitors were in the SVR - how many of them were Jews? Just the facts, Ascetic.
                      1. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 18 November 2012 12: 53
                        +6
                        Quote: Karish
                        Facts names, passwords, appearances. It is desirable to publish a photo (that would not be unfounded)
                        And by the way, what are the negotiations over? Reduced BRDM? So your father had a hand in this? Because of your dad, the USSR lost * Satan *?



                        Yes attached. He participated in the development of the terms of reference for the destruction of an isothermal car. And in 1984. was a member of the state commission for the acceptance of the BZHRK into operation.


                        Quote: Karish
                        Third at Kalugin, fourth at Poteev, Shcherbakov to continue? How many traitors were in the SVR - how many of them were Jews? Just the facts, Ascetic.


                        Penkovsky, Gordievsky, Rezun (aka Suvorov) and another wagon and a small cart less well-known


                        Quote: Karish
                        Because of your dad, the USSR lost * Satan *?


                        Well, how should I respond to Another provocative stupidity? I WARNED. Karish, do not dig, you are a disgrace to the Jewish people. You need to be more critical of yourself and work on yourself to be "chosen"

                        “... the chosen ones are not those who pompously put themselves higher, but those who demand more from themselves, even if the demand for themselves is beyond their strength.”

                        Ortega y Gasset "Rise of the Masses")

                        Good luck. I won’t hurt you anymore.
                        Once a certain sage, enlightened Tao and do not care by nature, walked through the forest, reflecting on the Meaning of Life.
                        Suddenly, the Terrible Black Forest Guano appeared on the path.
                        - Sage, I'll eat you now!
                        The sage, enlightened Tao and do not care by nature, did not stoop to conversations with any guan, continued on his way.
                        And the Terrible Black Forest Guano cried and fled forever and forever from the Forest, for he adored conversations with the sages.
                        Morality: if you think about the Meaning of Life - do not condescend to the starship with all guan!
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 18 November 2012 13: 07
                        -8
                        Ascetic, Karish - do not litter the ether, pliz.
                      3. Karish
                        Karish 18 November 2012 14: 45
                        -11
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Penkovsky, Gordievsky, Rezun (aka Suvorov) and another wagon and a small cart less well-known

                        Did you decide that they are Jews? * Expert and truth-seeker *
                        I look for 30 years in the army and you have not been taught the elementary collection of information that is absolutely open to the same.
                        All these people
                        Oleg Vladimirovich Penkovsky
                        Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky
                        Rezun Vladimir Bogdanovich
                        There were Ukrainians and Russians, so where is the little cart?
                        You do not just distort the facts, you simply distort them. I should be ashamed to be an officer. Or are you from political instructors?
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Well, how should I react to another provocative stupidity?

                        Wait a second, what did your ancestor do in Geneva? In the year 1984?
                        ]
                        When my father dealt with the liquidation of the BZHRK in the 90s, he often had to fly to Geneva at the time to negotiate with the Americans on this issue (coordination of technology, liquidation, forces, means, etc.

                        In my opinion your words.
                        Tell me simply, my dad helped destroy the country's nuclear missile potential. Do I understand correctly?
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        you dishonor the Jewish people.

                        ?????
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        You need to be more critical of yourself and work on yourself to be "chosen"

                        We jump from the topic, as is typical for you.
                        Save money (about phrases * great *, anyone knows how. You answer questions.
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Good luck. I won’t hurt you anymore.

                        Always calm.
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Morality: if you think about the Meaning of Life - do not condescend to the starship with all guan!

                        Concerning the issue of * election * wassat laughing
                      4. Vasiliev Nikolay
                        Vasiliev Nikolay 19 November 2012 03: 58
                        -2
                        In unison with the above, I’ll add. Do not always say what you know, but always know what you are saying.
                    2. Straus_zloy
                      Straus_zloy 18 November 2012 14: 41
                      0
                      and still I would like to draw your attention to the fact that

                      1. Not all emigrants are Jews, not even those who live in Israel.

                      2. My good friends are a family from Chechnya from Grozny who fled from the war, I also know many people from the Central Asian republics who left for the same reason.
                      This does not negate the example of your father’s former colleagues, but shows that there are other examples.

                      3. I completely agree with you that, unfortunately, any critic who criticizes the Jews is immediately declared by them as anti-Semite, and this is disgusting.
                      But this does not mean that there are no anti-Semites at all and these are fictional characters.


                      Well and the main thing: He is a traitor and in Africa a traitor, regardless of whether he is Jewish or not

                      I hope that this is not a position in relation to all those who have left, otherwise immediately put up a sign on the site "immigrants and dogs are not allowed".

                      For example, I also worked in the Minsredmash system (NPO Energomash, if that says something), and competent gentlemen offered me cooperation in the first six months, as I ended up abroad. I refused , what I do not regret but he was immediately declared a possible Russian spy and was banned for many years from my and related professions. I had a couple of years working in the hospital in the mornings, and at night guarding the stadium, retraining for a completely new specialty. So I can not consider myself a traitor.
                      1. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 18 November 2012 18: 03
                        +7
                        Quote: Straus_zloy
                        3. I completely agree with you that, unfortunately, any critic who criticizes the Jews is immediately declared by them as anti-Semite, and this is disgusting.
                        But this does not mean that there are no anti-Semites at all and these are fictional characters.


                        Mass immigration from Russia in 1990 was organized from the outside. There were rumors about the coming pogroms, about the upcoming hungry winter. Potential emigrants wanted to leave for America, but, under pressure from the "Israeli lobby", America closed the gates, and emigrants surged into Israel. "The Israelis "tried to do with them the same way as with the previous waves - declassify, smash, demoralize and send to black work. However, the Russians did not disappear. They created a powerful community of about one million people, which has become a significant factor in the life of the country.
                        Despite the cultural potential of the Russians, they could not break into big politics or the media. There are no Russians or Palestinians in Israeli newspapers and on television. In politics, the first successes of the Russians were neutralized by the traditional elites. Therefore, the Russian community is becoming more autonomous, more connected with Russia.
                        It’s easier for Russians to become Russian Palestinians than Israelis. To be an Israeli, you must be a Jew in every sense. To be a Palestinian enough to love this land, with its real centuries-old history, with its wonderful people. At the same time, one can speak Russian and not be ashamed of Russian and Jewish roots. Together with the Palestinians, the Russians will be able to save the Holy Land. Remaining in the train of "Israelis", they are doomed. Suppliers of cannon fodder and cheap labor, they will inevitably suffer when and if the "Israelis" come to terms with the Palestinians.
                        Signs of this are already visible: increasingly, the image of a cruel Russian or Druze who mistreats the Palestinians is emerging in the Israeli media, and in contrast to him is a soft and kind Ashkenaz from Tel Aviv. Palestinians have noticed this turn, and they also often write about the "Russian soldiers" mocking them.

                        An excerpt from the book of Israel Shamir "Pine and Olive"
                        here

                        Just at the beginning of the 90s and the end of the 80s, such nationalist organizations as RNU and Memory appeared, as a bugbear
                        Anti-Semitism Obviously, it is beneficial for some groups within the Russian Federation and abroad to make Russians perceived as primeval anti-Semites, heirs of Hitler and the Third Reich. This would allow many Russophobes and separatists to demand isolation of our country, and the new imperialists to demand a review of the results of World War II. It was also beneficial, in the wake of anti-Semitism, to persuade as many Jews as possible to emigrate from Russia
                      2. Karish
                        Karish 18 November 2012 18: 44
                        -5
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Despite the cultural potential of the Russians, they could not break into big politics or in the media

                        Again Ascetic in his repertoire. 3rd largest party of the Knesset * Our home Israel * Party of immigrants from the USSR, Avigdor Liberman - Minister of Foreign Affairs, where? Like 5 other ministers (and this is only in this Knesset)
                        The Knesset of the 18th convocation employs 100 men and 20 women, 14 generals, 19 lawyers. Among them 14 Russian-speaking deputies, 13 Arabs. Nitzan Horowitz from the Meretz party is the only deputy who does not hide his homosexual orientation. [3] The composition of the deputies was updated by a quarter in comparison with the previous convocation [4]

                        Media- 9th channel of Israeli TV - Channel in Russian.
                        Ascetic continue to save money without checking elementary Old?
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        It’s easier for Russians to become Russian Palestinians than Israelis. To be an Israeli, you must be a Jew in every sense. To be a Palestinian, it’s enough to love this land, with its real centuries-old history

                        I don’t even want to comment. fool

                        Quote: Ascetic
                        An excerpt from the book of Israel Shamir "Pine and Olive"

                        Oh famous author
                        Israel Shamir (p. 1947, Novosibirsk) is an anti-Zionist Russian-Israeli writer, translator and publicist. Orthodox Christian [1]. It was also printed under the names of Israel Adam Shamir and Robert David.

                        Since 1975, he lived outside of Israel (Great Britain, Japan). Shamir himself claims that he worked in the Russian service of the BBC. [9]
                        Shamir is a citizen of Sweden, some sources claim that his family lives there. In 2003, journalists working for Monitor magazine, as well as the Swedish nonprofit organization Expo, which positioned itself as anti-racist, referring to the data it collected, reported that Shamir lives in Sweden under the name Jöran Ermas [10] [ 11] [12] and presented the corresponding photo of a Swedish passport with the surname Ermas with a photo of Shamir [13].

                        Uncle 37 years old does not live in Israel, but continues to consider himself a connoisseur of reality. laughing
                        Wretchedly, citizen Ascetic and just ridiculous
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 18 November 2012 18: 53
                        -3
                        It’s easier for Russians to become Russian Palestinians than Israelis. To be an Israeli, one must be a Jew in every sense.

                        Well, not at the same class. How much copy-paste can I do? request do you even filter what is being dropped.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 36
                        -7
                        Media - Natalya Konevskaya (Sieve Bet), Nino Abesadze - now the deputy of the Knesset, Natalya Mozgovaya, Eli Berdenshtein (Maariv), Yael Bralovsky (Yediot Akhoronot), Alexander Goldenstein (worked with several large online projects up to Izrus). I can still remember.
              2. Dimon Lviv
                Dimon Lviv 18 November 2012 09: 46
                +8
                Karish, here I always put you a minus. In general, I have a positive attitude towards Jews, but I condemn the Israeli policy. Like those who support it.
                1. Karish
                  Karish 18 November 2012 11: 45
                  -2
                  Quote: Dimon Lviv
                  Karish, here I always put a minus to you

                  Believe me, getting a plus from you is an insult to me.
                  1. hypnosis
                    hypnosis 18 November 2012 14: 35
                    -12
                    Karish, bravo !!! good
                  2. Dimon Lviv
                    Dimon Lviv 18 November 2012 18: 30
                    +4
                    Karish, it’s just that I never put pluses on a woman
                    So there won't be any "insults" on my part in the form of a plus, believe me.
              3. GG2012
                GG2012 18 November 2012 21: 41
                +5
                Quote: Karish
                By the way, Ascetic, did he call his army to minus all his jackal?

                With a jackal army, You ram, I went too much !!!
                Cons, ... this is the least for you !!!
                And you whine!
          2. GG2012
            GG2012 18 November 2012 19: 31
            +5
            Quote: Karish
            not enlighten. He always poses as a connoisseur of the issue,

            "... Gray Karish timidly hides,
            belly gray at the computer.
            On the Israeli theme
            loves Karish to gundosit.
            He protects Israel
            Foam splashing out of the mouth.
            And erases Karish’s finger,
            By typing a comment ...
            If only Israel lived
            On stolen land ... "
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 18 November 2012 19: 43
              +6
              Quote: GG2012
              And erases Karish’s finger,
              By typing a comment ...

              Cheerful "GRAY ..."
              (Tell me, colleague, can I (at least temporarily) be the same penguin who stands with a hammer behind "GRAY ..."? I really want to ...)
              1. Karish
                Karish 18 November 2012 19: 46
                -6
                Quote: Fox 070
                Tell me, colleague, can I (at least temporarily) be the very penguin that stands with a hammer? I really want to ..

                What for ? At the gif you are much prettier.
                1. GG2012
                  GG2012 18 November 2012 19: 54
                  -2
                  Quote: Karish
                  What for ? At the gif you are much prettier.

                  Tell me, and on your avatar, the same shark that did the circumcision for you?
                  wassat laughing laughing laughing
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 18 November 2012 19: 59
                    -3
                    Quote: GG2012
                    Tell me, and on your avatar, the same shark that did the circumcision for you?

                    Want to enjoy the result?
                    1. GG2012
                      GG2012 18 November 2012 20: 12
                      +7
                      Quote: Karish
                      Want to enjoy the result?

                      Please post a photo on the site! We will see and support you ... morally!
                      1. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 18 November 2012 20: 25
                        +8
                        Quote: GG2012

                        Please post a photo on the site! We will see and support you ... morally!

                        Thanks for the joke, smiled wink drinks
                      2. Kaa
                        Kaa 18 November 2012 20: 45
                        +5
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Please post a photo on the site! We will see

                        This is propaganda of pornography and crimes against minors !!!!!!!! belay stop lol + + + + +
                      3. MG42
                        MG42 18 November 2012 21: 01
                        +7
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Please post a photo on the site! We will see and support you

                        A little off topic - "got a fish" crying
                      4. Karish
                        Karish 19 November 2012 13: 25
                        -3
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Please post a photo on the site! We will see and support

                        Lieutenant Rzhevsky and Natasha Rostova swim in the boat.
                        Natasha wanted to play a game, and says:
                        “I say the offer, and you, lieutenant finish it.”
                        Take me for a si ...
                        - For boobs?
                        “No, Lieutenant, how vulgar you are, for the blue ribbon!”
                        Next, take me by the same ...
                        - For the ass?
                        - No, for the yellow ribbon. Come on, now it's your turn!
                        - Natasha, take my dick with both hand...
                  2. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 18 November 2012 20: 03
                    +7
                    Quote: GG2012
                    the same shark that circumcised you?

                    I don’t think, colleague! If a shark were to circumcise, then he would now sing in falsetto!
                    Incidentally, KarishAre you not a tenor? feel
                    1. GG2012
                      GG2012 18 November 2012 20: 37
                      +6
                      Quote: Fox 070
                      By the way, Karish, are you not a tenor?

                      laughing laughing laughing
                      1. OSTAP BENDER
                        OSTAP BENDER 18 November 2012 20: 45
                        +3
                        GG2012! Look, otherwise Cast Lead in Ukraine will begin!
                    2. igor67
                      igor67 18 November 2012 20: 44
                      -4
                      Fox 070,
                      Today I looked at the activities of the Palestinian terrorist organization HIZBUTAHIR. In Russia, in Moscow, Kazan, in Novosibirsk, you laugh in vain, the Palestinians are already in your house and not with bread and salt, but with plastid and Kalash
                      1. Guun
                        Guun 18 November 2012 20: 51
                        +3
                        Hisbutchiks drank a lot of blood, drink it from Muslims, hide behind Islam and will TAAAAK to CHARGE that their action will spill the dirt of all Muslims although these ki hesbudchiki are in a minority in all senses and Islam does not apply only to names! These are just bandits who need power, they need to be fought!
                      2. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 21: 17
                        +4
                        Quote: Guun
                        ! These are just bandits who need power, they need to be fought with!

                        So fight together with Israel! Or are you trying to call Russia to this "case"? They themselves climbed into the der ... mo - get out of it yourself and swim out ... We got used to doing everything with someone else's hands, and then begging around the world with a miserable look ... am
                      3. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 22: 35
                        -7

                        What Ayatollah Khomeini wrote about ....
                        To obtain sexual satisfaction, a man can use a female child, including a baby. However, he should not deprive the child of virginity, only sodomy is permissible. If he deprives a child of virginity and damages the child’s body, then he will be held responsible for the life-time maintenance of the girl, who, however, cannot be considered one of his four wives. He also has no right to marry her sisters.

                        From Ayatollah Khomeini's Tahrirolvasyleh, Volume Four, Darol Elm Publishing House, Gom, Iran, 1990.


                        For finishing, it is better for her menstruation to begin already when she lives with her husband, and not with her father. That father who will make his daughter his wife at such a young age will receive a place in paradise.

                        From Ayatollah Khomeini's Tahrirolvasyleh, Volume Four, Darol Elm Publishing House, Gom, Iran, 1990

                        A man can have sexual intercourse with animals, for example, with sheep, cows, camels and others. After reaching orgasm, however, he should kill the animal. Moreover, the meat of such an animal cannot be sold to its own neighbors, but only to people from a neighboring village.

                        From Ayatollah Khomeini's Tahrirolvasyleh, Volume Four, Darol Elm Publishing House, Gom, Iran, 1990

                        "The urine and excrement of a cow, sheep or camel, with whom the act of sodomy is committed, becomes unclean, and even their milk is useless. Such an animal should be killed and burned as soon as possible."

                        "Green Book". Ayatollah Khomeini's Statements on Politics, Philosophy, Public Life and Religion, with a Special Introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN # 0-553-14032-9, page 47
                      4. GG2012
                        GG2012 18 November 2012 23: 24
                        +5
                        Quote: igor67
                        What Ayatollah Khomeini wrote about ....

                        Can you give a direct link to the opus you mentioned?
                        And then it suddenly turns out that I will find this book, and there ... it is written differently ...
                        stop
                      5. OSTAP BENDER
                        OSTAP BENDER 18 November 2012 23: 35
                        +5
                        igor67! You, a sober-minded person, and wrote such vulgarity! With this dirty writing, do you want to justify the bombing of residential areas in the Gaza Strip and the killing of children? It's no secret that Israel is an aggressor, and such an attempt to justify, sounds somehow, to put it mildly unethical! Igor, excuse me for frankness, I thought you were above it!
                      6. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 21: 10
                        +9
                        Quote: igor67
                        Palestinians are already in your house and not with bread and salt, but with plastid and Kalash

                        They are not in my house because I have nothing to share with them, Igor. Neither I nor my country has seized their house and their lands, has not destroyed their people for decades, using all possible means. Do not scare me and my country, as your fellow tribesmen scare the whole world with it. Already on all social networks is the cry of the Israelis asking for help and support. Why would we support a people conducting a systematic genocide of an obviously weak, military-technical (but much stronger than you spirit) people. So stop this whining and disperse with Palestine humanly (not Jewish). am
                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 21: 20
                        0
                        The activities of the international terrorist group Hizbut-Tahrir al-Islami, which means the Party of Islamic Liberation, have been suppressed in Moscow. Nine participants - citizens of the Russian Federation and Tajikistan - were charged.

                        In November, 18 members of Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami were detained, ten grenades, two sawn-off shotguns, six TNT sticks, as well as blanks for counterfeit banknotes worth one million US dollars and two million euros were seized from them.

                        The seized weapons and ammunition were in apartments rented on the territory of Moscow. During the operation, more than a hundred foreign citizens were discovered in 23 checked apartments. Most of them are brought to administrative responsibility for violation of Russian migration legislation.
                        Tags: Islamic Liberation Party, Hizbut Tahrir al-Islami
                        16.11.2012
                      8. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 21: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        ten grenades, two sawn-off shotguns, six TNT checkers were seized from them,

                        And in your opinion this is a serious weapon for an international terrorist organization? Yes, we have any organized crime group armed much more seriously. In my opinion, they just scare us.
                      9. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 21: 40
                        +1
                        In the course that this group was preparing a terrorist attack at the station? Plus mining of railway tracks. The expected number of victims in your opinion?
                      10. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 21: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Are you aware that this group was preparing a terrorist attack at the station?

                        Where did you get such "operational" data? Who gave them to you? MASS MEDIA? The Internet? Or maybe the director of the FSB? Well, think for yourself, who benefits from such hysteria !!? You are not a stupid person, I think you can figure it out !!!
                      11. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 21: 58
                        -1
                        There was a report on the detention on the news channel.
                      12. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 22: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        There was a report on the detention on the news channel.

                        The same news channels talk about the fight against corruption. Do you believe that too? If so, I'll just say goodbye to you.
                      13. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 22: 13
                        0
                        Well, of course, the "mummers have shown" well, you probably have your own sources of information ...........
                      14. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 22: 42
                        +6
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Well, you probably have your own sources of information ...

                        Quote: Fox 070
                        I'll just say goodbye to you.

                        hi
                      15. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 40
                        -8
                        Are you afraid that your faith in these guys will be overthrown and that together with the Jews you will have to hate someone else?
                      16. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 01: 05
                        +6
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Are you afraid that your faith in these guys will be overthrown

                        What are you talking about, Eugene? Haloperidol overeaten from the IDF?
                      17. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 27
                        -4
                        Don't be nervous, Felix. Someday in your life everything will be fine. Peace to you!
                      18. GG2012
                        GG2012 19 November 2012 01: 54
                        +4
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Do not be nervous,

                        So is it true that you sold haloperidol in the IDF?
                      19. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 02: 06
                        -6
                        Of course! All the cabinets were jammed with them, all the drawers
                      20. GG2012
                        GG2012 19 November 2012 02: 44
                        +3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Of course! All the cabinets were jammed with them, all the drawers

                        Yes, you are a smuggler, however!
                      21. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 02: 00
                        +5
                        Quote: Pimply
                        . Someday in your life everything will be fine. Peace to you!

                        And who told you that I have something wrong?
                        It remains only to finish you off ... hi
                      22. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 02: 02
                        -6
                        I am truly sorry for you. Good night to you
                      23. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 02: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        I am truly sorry for you.

                        Hand on heart, I will sincerely tell you - take pity on your people ...
                      24. Joker
                        Joker 19 November 2012 02: 58
                        -5
                        I wanted to remain silent, but I will speak out on the topic. In this situation, I fully support Israel, it is high time not to chew snot, but to level everything there to the ground. Who's shouting about genocide? It turns out that we staged the genocide of Georgians in 2008? From the gas sector, rockets fly annually to Israel, if it were not for the air defense, then there would be huge losses among the civilian population of Israel, do you suggest that they sit back and watch? It was high time to destroy everything there, Hamas is a terrorist organization! This is by analogy with Chechnya, there, too, terrorists climbed into the government and decided to secede from us, but the EBN who gave everyone freedom for some reason did not let them go, and why? Because this carrion would crawl to us and commit terrorist acts across the country, so we climbed there, is it a genocide or something of a Chechen? Doesn't Israel have the right to self-defense? All terrorists who go to Hamas end up from the same "peaceful" residents for whom you care about everyone and their parents know perfectly well what they are doing and cover them up, how can they be considered peaceful? They are pure accomplices. Israel should have erased this gas sector from the map long ago.
                      25. Konrad
                        Konrad 19 November 2012 18: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        It remains only to finish you off.

                        Good fox - dead fox!
                      26. Green
                        Green 19 November 2012 01: 43
                        0
                        You are generally silent. thankless drones. Invaders, this planet does not belong to you! It was colonized by reptilians, when humanity was not in sight. This planet belongs to reptilians. This is their home. This is their project. You are an unsuccessful experiment, a virus out of control and devouring the planet. you can only eat and crap. See what mankind has done to this planet, and to this house belonging to a higher, ancient and progressive race of reptioids. You are a virus. But the vaccine already exists. Backward, underdeveloped, worthless and miserable humanity. You do not even suspect what you are dealing with.
                      27. igor67
                        igor67 18 November 2012 21: 59
                        -2
                        Fox 070,
                        another group was taken in Novosibirsk and Kazan. There they were engaged in the murder of imams professing traditional Islam. You knew that over a hundred priests have been killed in 15 years. It’s just that you don’t notice that they are using you in everything that is Jewish. I don’t urge you to love Jews or Israel. I just want to say enough to watch. what is being done somewhere. it's time to pay attention to your house. Is Serdyukovschina aaaaa? money by boxes. in those boxes and pack fa and armata. there you look
                      28. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 22: 41
                        +6
                        Quote: igor67
                        . Look there

                        Where I look, I'll somehow figure it out without hooked noses and advice from a "jeans sewing specialist". And Serdyukov and Palestine, and much more - these are links of one chain, one end of which is lost in Judaism, and the other envelops my country, including MY HOUSE.
                        Quote: igor67
                        I do not urge you or anyone else to love the Jews or Israel.

                        Yes, in parallel to me, to the Jews and Israel, shut yourself within your borders, do not sow terrorism and misanthropic ideas around the world and, MAYBE, this world WILL SPARE YOU. fool
                      29. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 39
                        -7
                        Apparently, you are poorly versed in what ONE cell can do with these weapons. And the cells are usually not one. Yes and not two
                      30. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 00: 52
                        +5
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Apparently you are poorly versed

                        Eugene, do you seriously think that a combat officer can understand this poorly? Believe me, I perfectly imagine what can be done with a lid from a tin can or with a bone found on the ground.
                        And what about you, a retired IDF nurse who escaped their Israel Defense Forces in St. Petersburg, can you know about this?
                        And so what exactly you have an idea about is the misinformation that you push through a certain social network.
                      31. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 03
                        -7
                        Wow, drunk, wow! Already penetrated! Escaped.
                        Wow, combat officer!

                        Go on, I brought 8 popcorn again)). Dances there, nods - on which 8 stopped yesterday)
                      32. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 01: 33
                        +6
                        Quote: Pimply
                        - what stopped yesterday

                        BOW.
                      33. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 42
                        -10
                        Oh, how you are rushing. Precisely, you were offended in your youth. They made you bow at school, right? Gearing? Or rather, the father or stepfather was being abusive. Did you become a "military officer" because of this? The power to feel out of control? And fears from this. I will not touch you any more, forgive me. Sorry for you
                      34. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 02: 43
                        +5
                        Quote: Pimply
                        . They made me bow at school, right? Gears?

                        Eva how !!! Been nervous? Hand over, Eugene, endurance and intelligence are already not enough! It’s not for LJ to beat you ... hi
                      35. Karish
                        Karish 19 November 2012 11: 35
                        -6
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Believe me, I perfectly imagine what can be done with a lid from a tin can or with a bone found on the ground.
                        ,

                        Judging by your photo on the gif, you know what to do not only with a tin can and bone, but also with a ball, stick and scoop laughing
                      36. Konrad
                        Konrad 20 November 2012 10: 14
                        -4
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Do you seriously think that a combat officer may not understand this well? Believe me, I perfectly imagine what can be done with a lid from a tin can or with a bone found on the ground.

                        The "military officer" commanded the guards in the zone, and now the CHIEF JUDOFOBE OF THE MILITARY REVIEW. His wisdom is great, he even knows what can be done with a lid from a tin can or with a bone found on the ground - just a local rambo!
                      37. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 20 November 2012 11: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Konrad
                        THE MAIN JUDOFOB OF MILITARY REVIEW.

                        Bravo!!! To hear SUCH words from you is like receiving an order "For services to the Fatherland".
                        Quote: Konrad
                        just rambo local bottling!

                        As Sylvester Stalone said in Tango & Cash: "Rimbo is a puppy compared to me."
                        That's something like ... bully
                      38. elenagromova
                        18 November 2012 21: 51
                        +4
                        This is not Palestinian. The Palestinians may also be there, but there are more Tatars and Chechens.
                      39. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 22: 16
                        +5
                        Quote: elenagromova
                        This is not Palestinian.

                        You're right, Lena! (By the way, hello !!!) These are ours, purely bandit troubles that have nothing to do with Palestine or international terrorism. Or will we now, with the light hand of unscrupulous journalists, call all interethnic gangs the loud phrase "international terrorism"? So let's introduce the concept of international corruption or international pedophilia ... request
                      40. Karish
                        Karish 19 November 2012 11: 39
                        -5
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        These are ours, purely bandit troubles that have nothing to do with Palestine or international terrorism. Or we now, with the light hand of unscrupulous journalists, will call all interethnic gangs the loud phrase "international terrorism"

                        Well, right, the presence of Palestinians in the territorial groups of killing Russian citizens does not make them international. Palestinians - they are generally local in any country laughing
                      41. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 41
                        -8
                        And the Palestinians are saints. Well, those that are not against Assad. Then they are diabolical offspring, right? 8)
                      42. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 01: 09
                        +7
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Then they are diabolical offspring, right?

                        There is only one evil spawn in our world:
                      43. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 28
                        -6
                        UUU, cool! Tell me, what other superstitions do you have 8) Well, simple, interesting. I haven’t seen such a marvelous one - but suddenly you still have something just as beautiful there is 8))
                      44. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 02: 10
                        +7
                        Quote: Pimply
                        I haven’t seen such a marvelous one - but suddenly you still have something just as beautiful

                        I have a lot of different things ... like this.
                      45. Karish
                        Karish 19 November 2012 11: 51
                        -6
                        Moses is the work of Michelangelo. Horns are the result of an incorrect translation of the Old Testament. Keren - translates as horn and ray, radiance
                        Michelangelo lived in Catholic Italy, and the Bible in which he could read about Moses - this is the so-called Vulgate - a Latin translation of the Bible authored by blessed Jerome. The Vulgate is a “revised and revised edition of an older translation - the Septuagint - a collection of translations of the Old Testament into the ancient Greek language, made in the III – II centuries BC. e. in Alexandria.
                        What is written about Moses in the Vulgate?

                        That's what:


                        Ref. 34: 29. "When Moses went down from Mount Sinai, and the two tablets of revelation were in Moses' hand when he descended from the mountain, Moses did not know that his face was horned because God spoke to him."



                        "Сornuta esset facies sua"
                        In Russian “his face was horned”
                        For the sake of curiosity, let's look at the Hebrew text:
                        כי קרן אור פניו
                        Well, for those who, like me, do not read Hebrew
                        ky qrn 'wr pnw
                        We are interested in the word qrn. The fact is that in the Semitic tradition, vowels are not written

                        The word qrn can be read in several ways, in particular:
                        1) qeren - horn;
                        2) qeren - ray;
                        3) qaran - shone, radiated, radiated
                        Thus, the translation should be like this:
                        Ref. 34: 29. "When Moses went down from Mount Sinai, and the two tablets of revelation were in Moses' hand when he descended from the mountain, Moses did not know that his face began to shine with rays because God spoke to him."

                        But, here's the trouble, from the same root the word "keren" is formed, meaning "horn". It is from this linguistic error that the horns of Moses "flowed".

                        http://bellezza-storia.livejournal.com/14721.html
                        The sculpture was made for the crypt of Pope Julius II. Located in Rome.
                        A month ago, I saw this sculpture in the original. Fantasy !!!!!!!
                      46. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 19: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Karish
                        Horns are the result of an incorrect translation of the Old Testament. Keren - translates as horn and ray, radiance

                        Apparently again Jerome Vulgate is to blame, but along with Michelangelo ...
                        And here, apparently, John was to blame when he wrote his Gospel? Or not, Jesus Christ himself, blaming the Jews (I don’t understand how he dared):
                        John 8,44: “Your father is the devil; and you want to fulfill the lusts of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and did not stand in the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks his own, for he is a liar and the father of lies. ”
                        John 8,47: "He who is from God listens to the words of God. Therefore you do not listen, because you are not from God."
            2. Karish
              Karish 18 November 2012 19: 56
              -6
              Quote: GG2012
              . Gray Karish timidly hides,
              belly gray at the computer.

              I am the name of the poet Dunno, from me you balalaika (so inspired)
              By the way, why gray? Tolstoy would be at least in the subject laughing
              1. GG2012
                GG2012 18 November 2012 20: 07
                +4
                Quote: Karish
                By the way why gray?

                Are you color blind? Gray do not distinguish from green?

                "... - Excuse me, are chatlans and patsaks a nationality?"
                - No.
                - Biological factor?
                - No.
                - Persons from other planets?
                - No.
                - And how are they different from each other?
                - Are you color blind, Violinist, you cannot distinguish green from orange? ..."
                KIN-DZA-DZA
              2. Fox 070
                Fox 070 18 November 2012 20: 15
                +6
                Quote: Karish
                I'm a poet called Dunno

                Well, that's at least fair! And you can also add to the epithets that define you "Inadvertent", "Nechitayka", "Inadvertent" ... Everything else is not included in the format of the printed language ... bully hi
      2. Vasiliev Nikolay
        Vasiliev Nikolay 17 November 2012 23: 12
        -5
        Ascetic, aren't there too many minuses outraged?
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 18 November 2012 02: 23
          +9
          Quote: Pisez
          Ascetic, aren't there too many minuses outraged?


          Where did you get that from? I didn’t even put a ban, although it was necessary, I answer openly and do not put more than one minus.
          1. Vasiliev Nikolay
            Vasiliev Nikolay 18 November 2012 03: 53
            -2
            I didn’t take it, but took it. It looks like you only virtually have such a title, but in fact, at best, a corporal))) What a good uncle was found.
          2. Karish
            Karish 18 November 2012 11: 44
            -8
            Quote: Ascetic
            Where did you get that from? I didn’t even put a ban, although it was necessary, I answer openly and do not put more than one minus.

            Ascetic, without fairy tales. Any comment that does not correspond to the position of the * great * Ascetic immediately runs into a downgrade of thousands, sometimes there are minuses in the comments a month or two months ago. As if from nowhere and besides dozens. Without any comments on this subject. and this happens only after communication with you and a hint of your incompetence. Therefore, your statement about

            Quote: Ascetic
            I don’t put more than one minus

            It is strange that, as ordered by a magic wand and from the air, all the rest (-) arise without comment.
            Use of official position (moderator) for personal purposes ---- article of the Criminal Code, - Ascetic laughing
            1. Konrad
              Konrad 18 November 2012 16: 08
              -5
              Quote: Karish
              Use of official position (moderator) for personal purposes

              I was also minus and ply, but dial -6328 (!!!) from September 16 ???
              This is ridiculous! Explicit search gentlemen moderators !!! Provocation, sir!
              1. axmed05
                axmed05 18 November 2012 16: 35
                +3
                Quote: Konrad
                I was also minus and ply, but dial -6328 (!!!) from September 16 ???
                This is ridiculous! Explicit search gentlemen moderators !!! Provocation, sir!

                Not a provocation, just get to know someone better by reading all his posts for the entire period and put pros and cons along the way (if you quickly minus everyone without reading posts, you can be calculated and punished.)
                1. Konrad
                  Konrad 18 November 2012 19: 02
                  -1
                  Quote: axmed05
                  Not a provocation

                  Yesterday in his commentary he mentioned the number of minuses at that time -6254
                  Now there are 6521 of them. so in a day I typed -267 (!) We go to the "personal account", then "my profile and count - only -9 (!), where did -258 come from ??? And so constantly. Dirty game turns out!"
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 18 November 2012 19: 06
                    -1
                    Quote: Konrad
                    Dirty game turns out!

                    To the moderators with a question. The same Ascetic will popularly explain that he is not in business laughing
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 18 November 2012 19: 19
                      -1
                      Quote: Konrad
                      where did -258 come from ??? And so constantly. Dirty game turns out!


                      And I have the same picture. Yesterday was a minus foreman. This is -1000. Today "skull" and -3000. There is no such difference in power lines.

                      Quote: Karish
                      To the moderators with a question


                      Asked questions while there are no answers

                      Well, all right with the epaulette then. That freedom of expression is deprived. The sharpness of the site is belittled and, as a consequence, its attractiveness.
                      1. Rumata
                        Rumata 19 November 2012 10: 26
                        -3
                        Quote: Beck
                        And I have the same picture. Yesterday was a minus foreman. This is -1000. Today "skull" and -3000. There is no such difference in power lines.

                        Beck is very simple, write a couple of anti-Semitic comments, demotivators with characters with big noses, just spice it all up with the Palestinian genocide and get thousands of pluses in one day, Ascetic will personally add a couple of hundred to you
                  2. Brother Sarych
                    Brother Sarych 18 November 2012 19: 38
                    0
                    To illustrate your question, I closed your minus with a plus - the number of points changed by 25, because I have a fairly large rank ...
                    And so it runs, plus or minus changes the number of points in accordance with the reputation of the rating ...
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 18 November 2012 19: 47
                      -1
                      So this is how many marshals I need in order to instruct me in one night, so that the amount turns out to be -2000.
                      1. Brother Sarych
                        Brother Sarych 18 November 2012 23: 26
                        +2
                        Quite a bit - you wrote posts, let’s say, I minus them, visited several times, evaluated someone else at the same time - each post is -25, so several hundred are just mine, so it runs ...
                        I myself was amazed at the time, and even now, which week I can’t advance a thousand points, they will stupidly clam on one topic, either against the wool, then on the other ...
                      2. Beck
                        Beck 19 November 2012 12: 04
                        -3
                        I agree, but it was earlier. Now, already a month and a half, with one visit, and even with the second, third, you can’t vote for or against your opponent more than once. There will be a warning that you can not vote for the same very often. You at least all week put someone + or - all the same, only one, the first click will be counted.

                        So I wonder where so many marshals came from in order to get 2000 in one night. This, in my opinion, is necessary for someone from the moderators, well, they won’t really like it, although they on each page make it clear about their impartiality.
                      3. Brother Sarych
                        Brother Sarych 19 November 2012 12: 22
                        0
                        It used to be easier, of course, but now you can get used to it!
                        It’s true that you can’t vote often, but you can vote not in a row, but alternate with others, then, especially if you go several times, you can zamusnovat EACH post of the opponent, especially if the opponent is on several branches (it is difficult to minus or plus if the posts of the opponent or buddy only on one branch, and if on different, everything is easier than a steamed turnip) ...
                        Oh, if you set yourself such a goal, then everything is not particularly difficult ...
                  3. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 18 November 2012 20: 50
                    +3
                    Quote: Konrad
                    And so constantly. Dirty game turns out!

                    My congratulations! Has begun SITE HOLOCAUSTwhich I am not at all surprised and very satisfied ... good hi
                    1. Konrad
                      Konrad 18 November 2012 21: 20
                      -3
                      Quote: Fox 070
                      My congratulations! WEBSITE HOLOCAUST has begun, which I am not at all surprised and very satisfied ...

                      Here is your place, there is a little malice!
                      1. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 21: 44
                        +8
                        Quote: Konrad
                        Here is your place, there is a little malice!

                        Even there I will rejoice. And then I'm not alone. A LOT OF US ... So no one can forbid me to rejoice and "sneer", and there you are more ...
                      2. Karish
                        Karish 19 November 2012 13: 36
                        -6
                        Ascetic and his clones?
                      3. Konrad
                        Konrad 19 November 2012 20: 50
                        -4
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        no one can forbid me to rejoice and "speak maliciously"

                        GOOD FOX - A DEAD FOX!
                      4. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 20 November 2012 10: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Konrad
                        GOOD FOX - A DEAD FOX!

                        For you, Jews, it would be the best option, BUT ... As one old Jew said: "WILL NOT WANT ..."! Having seen different things, the wise fox will outlive more than one biorobot with a nickel-plated butophoria in his hands. bully
                      5. GG2012
                        GG2012 18 November 2012 22: 06
                        +6
                        Quote: Konrad
                        Here is your place, there is a little malice!
                      6. Karish
                        Karish 19 November 2012 13: 38
                        -5
                        Another fox?
              2. GG2012
                GG2012 18 November 2012 20: 56
                +3
                [quote = Konrad] I was also minus and plus, but dial -6328 (!!!) from September 16 ??? [quote]
                Eh, it flatters you !!!
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 18 November 2012 22: 12
              +7
              Quote: Karish
              Use of official position (moderator) for personal purposes ---- article of the Criminal Code, - Ascetic


              Scientists have long believed that the brain of sharks is underdeveloped. These conclusions were based on studies on small sharks of the katran (Squalus acanthias): after cutting the shark's spinal cord, it was released into the pool, where the katran swam for several hours, without any reaction to external stimuli. Concluding that all sharks are equally underdeveloped and act automatically, relying solely on basic instincts, scientists have forgotten about them.
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 18 November 2012 22: 46
                +3
                Quote: Ascetic
                Scientists have long believed that the brain of sharks is not sufficiently developed.

                Axiom, once again confirmed! "+" good
              2. Odessa
                Odessa 18 November 2012 23: 26
                0
                Ascetic,
                Scientists have long believed that the brain of sharks is not sufficiently developed. These conclusions were based on studies on small sharks of the katran (Squalus acanthias): after cutting the shark's spinal cord, it was released into the pool, where the katran swam for several hours, without any reaction to external stimuli. Having concluded that all sharks are equally underdeveloped and act automatically, relying solely on basic instincts, scientists forgot about them.

                So, in principle, yes, scientists are right, otherwise where would the expression “fish head” come from? For one simple reason, a shark is a fish, but a predatory one. But a smart dolphin is a mammal, by the way a penguin is a bird. laughing
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 19 November 2012 10: 29
                  -5
                  Quote: Odessa
                  But the smart dolphin is a mammal, by the way a penguin is a bird

                  Not just a bird, but -
          3. Vasiliev Nikolay
            Vasiliev Nikolay 20 November 2012 00: 44
            -2
            I realized that, Ascetic, that you, together with other moderators, are doing your own thing, and for the others - indiscriminately put the cons - keep it up)))
            I don’t know, did I understand correctly that you served somewhere in the railway? I had to be in the office several times at the beginning. South - Ural Railway Administration - Tarunin and the prosecutor's office of the railway. It is in the very center of Chelyabinsk. And also at the beginning. The freight department is a Jew by nationality, but a smart guy. And he lived in a hotel near the regional party committee and in the Malokhit and Ural gems hotel.
    4. ikrut
      ikrut 17 November 2012 20: 15
      +4
      Judging by your comment, you clearly and categorically had to support Russia's military operations in Chechnya and Russia's position in the war 080808. If so, tell me. Then I will not say anything about the events in the Gaza Strip.
      1. Karish
        Karish 18 November 2012 12: 04
        +2
        Quote: ikrut
        Judging by your comment, you clearly and categorically had to support Russian military operations in Chechnya

        Definitely.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 38
          -1
          Whole and complete
    5. spok
      spok 18 November 2012 00: 04
      +5
      let the Jews give the captured land to the Palestinians
      and it hurts them all kosher pah
      1. View
        View 18 November 2012 00: 11
        -7
        Only after .. (the template phrase about Koenigsberg, Karelia, the Kuril Islands and other Chukhons goes on) wink
    6. revnagan
      revnagan 18 November 2012 17: 44
      -2
      Quote: mikula
      And if, in the opinion of someone, this is not a sufficient reason, then I declare to him - get treated and not give advice.

      Well, so I can say - leave the occupied territories and nobody will shell you.
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 18 November 2012 18: 27
        -4
        "If the facts do not fit into the theory - the worse for the facts."
        Here, as it were, the opposite is true - we just left (from Gaza), and we immediately started shelling from there.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 43
        -8
        Define occupation first
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 19 November 2012 01: 12
          +7
          Quote: Pimply
          define occupation

          Israel in the land of Palestine, Syria, a buffer zone in Lebanese land. I think that this is a rather capacious definition.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 29
            -3
            Tell me, when exactly did the independent state of Palestine exist?
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 19 November 2012 02: 17
              +6
              Quote: Pimply
              Tell me,

              You haven’t mixed up anything, beggar ?! I still have to teach you history ???
              And when did the state of Israel exist? A people without a homeland ...
  11. bazilio
    bazilio 17 November 2012 15: 31
    +1
    The situation is heating up. The article, in my opinion, is written too pretentiously, with loud speech turns. I agree, maybe this is the style. But in essence, everything looks very bad because again there are double standards. To be honest, it is not fate to objectively understand and find out the truth in full for ordinary people - they work diligently, guided by the motto "do not change the truth, change the truth" Unfortunately, the Middle East will seethe and blaze for a long time
    1. axmed05
      axmed05 17 November 2012 15: 58
      +5
      Quote: bazilio
      Honestly speaking, it is not fate to objectively understand and find out the truth in full for ordinary people - they work diligently, guided by the motto "do not change the truth, change the truth"
      When the court cannot find the evidence of the guilty, they look for the motive who benefited from what happened, so the whole truth pops up.
      1. Andrey_K
        Andrey_K 17 November 2012 16: 12
        +2
        The surest method is often, or rather direct evidence (they can be faked).
        1. bazilio
          bazilio 19 November 2012 08: 33
          0
          I agree. But not in this case, since everyone has the same motives, but to prove or refute them, proof is needed. Otherwise, each side will present itself as a victim of aggression.
  12. Ghosh
    Ghosh 17 November 2012 16: 42
    +11
    mikula,
    Professor,
    Karish,
    Lord without Homeland. You left Russia for a sweet life in Germany. And now the bold yapping. And it’s natural that western lies are sweeter than steamed turnip. So I'm not surprised at your opus. And you, Mr. Karish himself, as there with the Jews, ordered the Arabs to be attacked. Only there is a saying - time to throw stones and time to collect them. You’re campaigning for now (like your favorite Western democracies) while scattering stones. But the time will come to clean, I will not envy you. Scattered a lot. For me, the person who left the homeland is no longer a man but a prostitute, without a clan and tribe.
    Personally, I was born and raised in the USSR and I don’t like much here, but I don’t have any thoughts of leaving in pursuit of a long ruble.
    1. Professor
      Professor 17 November 2012 17: 11
      -10
      Gentlemen without a Homeland ... Personally, I was born and raised in the USSR and I don’t like much here, but I don’t have any thoughts of leaving in pursuit of a long ruble.

      I have news for you, just don’t take it to heart. No more than the USSR, ended. Or are you still in the USSR? laughing Keep it up, do not forget to inspect the decisions of the next Congress of the CPSU.
      1. ikrut
        ikrut 17 November 2012 20: 40
        +12
        It is not easy for you, "masters" cosmopolitans, to understand what shame and conscience are. What does oath and honor mean? This is no offense. You are just different. It is better for you where the ass is warmer, where the work is "not dusty", where it is easier and with gesheft to deceive a non-believer and a foreigner.
        Yes, the ATTRIBUTES of the USSR are no longer there. But there were people who remember and who are true to their ideals and their homeland. Such people have always been in Russia in the majority. So strong. And the CPSU has nothing to do with it.
        Your brother professes a double, Jesuit morality. You are always oppressed and persecuted, you are never guilty of anything. All others are to blame for you and owe you. Libegal does not give a shit ... at all the others, but how he squeals if they hurt him. But there is nowhere to go. "If you like to ride - love to carry sledges."
        1. Professor
          Professor 17 November 2012 21: 27
          -8
          It is not easy for you, "gentlemen" cosmopolitans, to understand what shame and conscience are

          I almost burst into tears ... Where were you all the sworn when the USSR was buried in Belovezhskaya Pushcha? Was the gut thin to fulfill the oath? Now look for the guilty in the mirror.
          1. ikrut
            ikrut 18 November 2012 00: 50
            +9
            Yes. Then we were more trusting, weaker. dumber finally. We were then defeated by your kind. And they didn’t defeat them with weapons. Otherwise, we would take the oath. rest assured. And they defeated us with treachery, betrayal, greed, immorality - your eternal weapon.
            Once one hetaira told Socrates - "You teach your students for years. And I can take them away with me in a few minutes. To which Socrates replied. - Yes. But you lead them down, and I - up. It's harder for me." It was more difficult for us. Even now it is more difficult for us. But "our cause is just. Victory will be ours" (c)
            Yes, to look for the guilty is not a thankful task. Here I agree with you. It’s more productive to live on your own and bring up children so that then you don’t need to look for the guilty on the side.
            1. Professor
              Professor 18 November 2012 08: 54
              -6
              Otherwise, we would take the oath. rest assured.

              Of course they would have done it, but only my mother probably didn’t let it go. wink
              It is necessary to look for the guilty in the mirror, but for not taking the oath you yourself know what they are doing.
              1. ikrut
                ikrut 18 November 2012 14: 57
                +5
                Professor, "Of course they would have done it, but my mother probably wouldn't let me in.
                It is necessary to look for the guilty in the mirror, but for not fulfilling the oath you yourself know what they are doing. "


                "Mom didn't let me in" - it's not for us - it's for your relatives.
                As for the search in the mirror - who are to blame for the so-called. "Holocaust" you also looked in the mirror? And why did they go under the knife like cattle and not fight?
                1. Professor
                  Professor 18 November 2012 18: 11
                  -3
                  "Mom didn't let me in" - it's not for us - it's for your relatives.
                  As for the search in the mirror - who are to blame for the so-called. "Holocaust" you also looked in the mirror?
                  And why did they go like cattle under a knife rather than fighting?

                  Well, where do we go without the Holocaust? Nowhere!
                  The USSR prosraaaaaali themselves, and through a line to the discussion about the Holocaust.

                  You are for the draft army where a competition is taking place in the combat (and belligerent) units and the young ladies are pulling the strap of the army’s everyday life, no less than their peers of the opposite sex, be calm. Perhaps they know what you don’t know.
                  1. ikrut
                    ikrut 18 November 2012 18: 51
                    +5
                    I am quite calm about the Israeli army. And I really appreciate her fighting ability. I think it should be in a normal country.
                    It was about something else. You reproached me for the fact that we did not save the country and were not faithful to the oath. I, as an analogy, brought the Holocaust and the mass destruction of Jews in the TU war. Then, too, they clearly and especially did not fight the Nazis and even went to the slaughter masses. Well, they began to "fight", take revenge and pursue already "after the fight". When they could not answer you.
                    And, for some reason, they did not queue up for the Soviet Army (well, along the way to the mines, to blast furnaces or machine tools) during the Soviet era. Somehow they were all "not fit for combat." And now they suddenly learned something new, something unknown to us, and everyone became iron fighters. Even the young ladies. Here are some metamorphoses in life. winked
                    1. Tourist Breakfast
                      Tourist Breakfast 18 November 2012 19: 15
                      -2
                      And, for some reason, they did not queue up for the Soviet Army (well, along the way to the mines, to blast furnaces or machine tools) during the Soviet era. Somehow everyone was "not fit for combat."

                      I do not understand, do you think the Soviet Jews did not fight in the ranks in the Red Army? Where does this infa come from?
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 19: 19
                        +3
                        There are 175 Jewish heroes of the Soviet Union and Russia, and this is today, when all the archives have not yet been opened and all materials about the War have not been studied.

                        Among the heroes - three people were awarded this high title twice.

                        Twice Hero of the Soviet Union:

                        - cosmonaut Volynov Boris Valentinovich

                        - General Dragunsky David Abramovich

                        - Smushkevich Yakov Vladimirovich

                        Heroes of the Soviet Union, there are 144 in total:

                        Among them:

                        - General Krivoshein Semyon Moiseevich

                        - Crazer Yakov Grigorievich

                        - Kremer Simon Davidovich

                        - Levitan Vladimir Samoilovich

                        - partisan - underground member Kazinets Isai Pavlovich

                        - Ilizarov Isai Lazarevich

                        - Gurevich Semyon Isaakovich

                        - Gottlieb Emanuel Davidovich

                        - Vikhnin Zalman Davidovich

                        - Vernikov Yakov Ilyich

                        - Weinstein Boris Yakovlevich

                        - Abramovich Abram Grigoryevich

                        - Grabsky Mikhail Isaakovich

                        - Matz Grigory Zelmanovich

                        - Rivkin Boris Mironovich

                        - Schindler Aron Evseevich

                        and about 130 more heroes.

                        Full holders of the orders of Glory, there are 12 according to the latest data. Among them:

                        - Sindler David Mordukhovich

                        - Shapiro Shmuel Ziskovec

                        - Minkin Efim Lvovich

                        Heroes of Russia, so far - 6 people of Jewish nationality, among them:

                        - Cohen Leontin Teresa

                        - Cohen Morris Genrihovich

                        - Chernyak Yan Petrovich

                        - Koval Georges Abramovich
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 November 2012 19: 24
                        +1
                        http://www.vestnik.com/issues/2001/0508/koi/podrabinnik.htm
                      3. ikrut
                        ikrut 19 November 2012 00: 15
                        +3
                        Have I really doubted somewhere that the Jews ARE NOT ABLE to fight and that they, for the most part, are cowards?
                        On the contrary. On one of the branches I even talked about my geography teacher - a former partisan who was awarded the Order of Lenin. His name was Isaac Aronovich. Here is the last name. unfortunately forgot. Heroic was a man.
                        But I talked about NOT THE DESIRE OF MOST Jews to serve in the SA, at least since the 70s. Then anti-Soviet propaganda was already working powerfully and most Jews began to hate the USSR. The same thing is happening now with Russia.
                      4. ikrut
                        ikrut 19 November 2012 00: 08
                        +3
                        I wrote "CA", not the Red Army. Google it when you entered the CA inscription on the shoulder straps. Since then, there have been EXTREMELY few Jews in the army. Most of the Jewish youths turned out to be unfit for the service; I knew a lot of them. Why would it suddenly?
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 18 November 2012 19: 33
                      +1
                      I, as an analogy, cited the Holocaust and the mass extermination of Jews in the TU war.

                      In any case it was. There was an uprising in the Warsaw ghetto and Jewish partisan units. APtro is that Jews of the type did not serve in the SA - just nonsense. Teach history and be faithful to the oath.
                      1. ikrut
                        ikrut 18 November 2012 22: 51
                        +2
                        Ess, but there were units. Not all people are sheep. Especially when the confrontation is obvious and armed. But in the time of Yeltsin, not everything was so frank. Yes, and it was relatively legitimate. People are trivially deceived. Therefore, I do not accept your reproach of oath.
                        Now. as for the Jewish service in the SA. In the 70s-80s, there were EXTREMELY few Jews in the army. Personally, I have never met a single one during my entire service. Although my school friend served. But this is a rather rare case.
                        But I know many of the Jews - my peers and acquaintances (and almost all - with rare exceptions) who turned out to be "unfit" for the service. Those who left for Israel suddenly became massively heroic and skillful fighters. I'm not being ironic. Many of the Jews of the USSR fought very well in the Second World War. Then, however, Israel did not yet exist and many considered the USSR as their homeland. And since the 70s, the USSR has ceased to be a homeland for many. There is nothing to say about today's Russia and Ukraine. Look how many Jews are in the current armies of these countries. I am sure that you personally did not serve in the army. Like most of my opponents here. For you and others like you, Russia is a foreign country. This is compounded by a bunch of "historical" grievances and complexes. Therefore, I am not at all surprised (and even less convinced) by your arguments. And I am writing my comments no longer for you, but for those who, perhaps, still have illusions about you. Thank you for your wishes to teach and be faithful. "I will definitely be" (c)
                      2. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 19 November 2012 00: 02
                        -1
                        Now. as for the Jewish service in the SA. In the 70s-80s, there were EXTREMELY few Jews in the army. Personally, I have never met a single one during my entire service. Although my school friend served. But this is a rather rare case.


                        Given the fact that Jews in the USSR were about 1% of the total population, it was really difficult to meet them in the army. Although my grandfather was a career officer, uncle served, father-in-law also served ...
                        Another point - since many among the Jews sought to get a higher education, they obviously were not for this reason.
                      3. Rumata
                        Rumata 19 November 2012 10: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                        Although my grandfather was a career officer, uncle served, father-in-law also served ...

                        On my maternal side, there was a dynasty of officers, almost all the men from the time of the Second World War were officers in the SA, and it all ended in the 90s, when the officers did not even have enough to feed their family ...
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 00: 45
                        -5
                        Perhaps he should tell this to a couple of dozens of my relatives, including my grandfather who fought in the Baltic Sea, and another grandfather, a former career officer. And also to those veterans who go to the parade in Jerusalem
                      5. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 01: 16
                        +3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        a couple of dozens of my relatives, including my grandfather who fought in the Baltic,

                        Glory to the grandfather and shame on the grandson who deserted from the army of Israel so beloved by you.
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 19 November 2012 01: 36
                        -3
                        Bravo! Another pirouette? I still have to bring popcorn and call my communications officer from the reservist battalion - Liat. I'll tell her this joke 8))). Together we neigh.

                        "Officer, combat", do not disgrace yourself. 8)
                      7. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 19 November 2012 02: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: Pimply
                        call my liaison officer from the reservist battalion - Liat. I'll tell her this joke

                        She is already in a hurry to you Eugene !!! laughing
        2. vic22lud
          vic22lud 18 November 2012 10: 36
          -9
          I just want to get up and sing the anthem of the USSR. URAAAAAAAA!
          1. ikrut
            ikrut 18 November 2012 15: 01
            +10
            vic22lud, I just want to get up and sing the anthem of the USSR. URAAAAAAAA!

            So who's stopping? do not restrain yourself. Remember how you got up and sang. :)
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 17 November 2012 20: 58
        +11
        Quote: Professor
        Or are you still in the USSR?


        I AM RUSSIAN. I am proud that I was born in the USSR.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 18 November 2012 18: 33
          -8
          I AM RUSSIAN. I am proud that I was born in the USSR.

          Tell us how you managed to complete this heroic act. It was probably very hard?
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 18 November 2012 22: 04
            +2
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            Tell us how you managed to complete this heroic act. It was probably very hard?


            No matter how the Japanese are destined to understand
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 18 November 2012 22: 18
              -3
              No matter how the Japanese are destined to understand


              I am sure many Japanese are also proud that they are JAPANESE and born in Japan.
              For me it’s so proud of something that doesn’t have your merit, at least naively.
    2. Karish
      Karish 17 November 2012 17: 32
      -9
      Quote: gosh
      Lord without Homeland

      And where do you think a Jew has a homeland, if not Israel?
      And as for the flags, I’m tired of explaining different newcomers. Ask the admins. why the Israelis with the German flags, they will answer you

      Quote: gosh
      For me, the person who left the homeland is no longer a man but a prostitute, without a clan and tribe.

      A Jew who left Russia - a prostitute? I thought it was your dream that we all leave laughing
      1. axmed05
        axmed05 18 November 2012 12: 31
        +3
        Quote: Karish
        And as for the flags, I’m tired of explaining different newcomers
        I put one minus because of this proposal, and twelve others put a minus and did not comment on anything because, probably, they were also tired of explaining something to you.
      2. Rebus
        Rebus 18 November 2012 13: 26
        +5
        Quote: Karish
        A Jew who left Russia - a prostitute? I thought it was your dream that we all leave

        Already a tear came into my eyes crying They drive out the poor Jews from everywhere, just long for them to leave ...
        A priori, Jews have no homeland - they are where it is profitable.
        Jews have no friends — friends are not profitable.
        And about the flag, if the admins do not change the flag - change the avatar, for example, to the star of David, otherwise the shark looks a bit defiant, suggesting the essence of the Israeli people.
        1. GG2012
          GG2012 18 November 2012 21: 20
          +2
          Quote: Rebus
          otherwise the shark looks a little defiant, suggesting the essence of the Israeli people

          Yes, what a shark there !!! So! The ram is dried!
    3. Konrad
      Konrad 17 November 2012 18: 47
      -5
      Quote: gosh
      Personally, I was born and raised in the USSR and I don’t like much here, but I don’t have any thoughts of leaving in pursuit of a long ruble.

      So there are such rudimentary "organs" of the USSR, reeking of anti-Semitism, rubbing their hands and giggling after another dastardly strike by terrorists on civilians. And here, minus signs are given to those who offend their Arab friends.
      1. irkut2000
        irkut2000 17 November 2012 23: 34
        -8
        Only a Zionist, full-time trash like you stink, an insane person offended by God stinks
        1. Konrad
          Konrad 18 November 2012 16: 18
          -3
          Quote: irkut2000
          Only a Zionist, full-time trash like you stink

          I must disappoint you "comrade" anti-Semite - I'm not a Jew. I won't call you a trash, because you're worse! And I'm not offended by God, and you are smarter. That's all in short.
    4. Konrad
      Konrad 17 November 2012 19: 08
      -9
      Quote: gosh
      Personally, I was born and raised in the USSR and I don’t like much here, but I don’t have any thoughts of leaving in pursuit of a long ruble

      Do not flatter yourself - with such talents and views, you will not only earn a "long ruble" there, but you are not even needed for hell.
    5. akbarr
      akbarr 17 November 2012 19: 11
      +8
      Well, why are you lowering the emigres? They have one joy to prove (including to themselves) how everything is bad in Russia and how great it is! After all, for the sake of something, they were leaving.
      1. Straus_zloy
        Straus_zloy 18 November 2012 09: 19
        -4
        Do you really think that most of those who leave want Russia bad or have you said so for rhetoric?
    6. Straus_zloy
      Straus_zloy 18 November 2012 09: 11
      -3
      Lord without Homeland. You left Russia for a sweet life

      If site visitors begin to divide by kosher "TRUE" on the one hand and emigrants and renegades on the other, it is better for me to immediately get banned for life.

      As a result of the disaster that befell my Homeland at the beginning of 90, I, as well as part of the population, were far from it. Not everyone went for a long ruble with a dollar, as some of our frivolous opponents claim. Some saved their lives simply by jumping out of the fire of conflicts that flared up under weak power. Some could no longer see the collapse of everything that they believed in and that they had built their whole lives. Someone was deceived, by the way Israel loved it very much. Someone simply needed high-quality treatment, which became inaccessible with the ever-bugging president. A long ruble dollar for smart-minded, entrepreneurial people was much easier to earn by staying in Russia and catching fish in the muddy waters of 90x.
      So before rushing into words that can offend everyone, for one reason or another, who are far away from Russia, it would be nice for those who remained to remember no less than those who left had the responsibility for the death of the country, which was our common home,. The death which caused a gigantic outcome not only of Jews or those who always looked away, but also those who never thought about leaving

      For me, the person who left the homeland is no longer a man but a prostitute, without a clan and tribe.

      Yes, you yourself are
    7. mikula
      mikula 18 November 2012 09: 46
      -3
      Gosh, for a sweet life in Germany. And it’s natural that western lies are sweeter than steamed turnip.

      Here is another example - anyhow blurt out. Dear Gosh, before you write nonsense - look at the statuses of people who are abusive to you. We are all from Israel. And this, as you put it, Western propaganda - thunders out of my windows every day in the form of Hamas rockets. So - yapping is your destiny.

      PS- request to the moderators to change our flags manually to kosher - Israeli.
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 18 November 2012 11: 52
        +8

        mikula
        PS- request to the moderators to change flags manually for kosher

        Kosher ended, the Palestinians all burned.
      2. AK-47
        AK-47 18 November 2012 12: 26
        +4

        mikula
        thumps outside my windows every day in the form of Hamas rockets

        There wasn’t any booze in Russia, but you left, what are you waiting for, in America it will be calmer, there are more of yours than blacks.?
        Although there are options:
        - return captured territories;
        - Do not annoy your neighbors with their aggressive policies;
        - to abandon the division of people on the basis of "sex" (into God's chosen and goyim).
        And you will be fine.
        1. mikula
          mikula 18 November 2012 13: 38
          -3
          AK-47 - There wasn’t any booze in Russia, and you left, what are you waiting for,

          Explosions of residential buildings - a series of terrorist acts in Russian cities (Buinaksk, Moscow and Volgodonsk) September 4–16, 1999.

          As a result of the attacks, 307 people were killed, more than 1700 people were injured in varying degrees of severity or suffered in varying degrees.

          We were waiting for at least understanding, but fate is not visible.
          1. AK-47
            AK-47 19 November 2012 14: 34
            +1
            mikula
            ... thumps outside my windows every day in the form of Hamas rockets.
            ... Explosions of residential buildings - a series of terrorist acts in Russian cities (Buinaksk, Moscow and Volgodonsk) September 4-16, 1999.

            So not every day.
          2. BRATISHKA
            BRATISHKA 19 November 2012 15: 47
            0
            Read about the Ryazan incident at your leisure.
  13. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 17 November 2012 18: 31
    0
    Foreign Minister Lavrov’s visit to Saudi Arabia at a ministerial meeting of the Russia-Russia Gulf Cooperation Dialogue strategic dialogue will be remembered for several unpleasant moments. The trip turned into a fiasco: the parties could not agree on Syria (and this was the main topic of discussion), and Lavrov’s report prepared for the event was not heard at all. The visit was unsuccessful from the very beginning when the ground services of the airport in Riyadh refused to accept the landing plane, on which Lavrov flew. The liner was located about 100 m from the runway of the terminal and was preparing to land, but the crew was forced to turn on the engines again and take off, the newspaper writes. The plane was sent to another airfield; the reasons why the Saudi side decided to ban the landing were never announced.
    When the Russian Foreign Minister arrived at the ministerial meeting, the participants refused to hear the report prepared by him and immediately started the discussion.
    During the discussion, Lavrov criticized the newly created opposition National Syrian coalition and those of his colleagues who supported it. He invited the audience to take a "more moderate" position on the Syrian issue and to "cool their heads", but this proposal did not receive support. A joint statement following the meeting was never made, and the Russian minister ultimately refused to attend a working dinner planned at the end of the meeting.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 November 2012 20: 30
      0
      Quote: wolverine7778
      the Russian minister ultimately refused to attend the work dinner planned at the end of the meeting.


      And it's all? Didn’t eat? Defended the honor of Russia? Maybe it was necessary to reinforce something stronger? To have a memory.
  14. 12061973
    12061973 17 November 2012 19: 00
    +3
    I wonder why Maxim Shevchenko always justifies any Muslims and their tricks, maybe they pay him from Qatar, then why does he croak the first channel with the air of an expert, be it problems in Chechnya, Dagestan or the Middle East, maybe, in addition to the US State Department and Arab sheikhs, they want to manage Russia .
  15. View
    View 17 November 2012 19: 22
    -7
    Lena, sometimes you better chew than talk yes

    "in much more humane ways for the civilian population." love





    1. Vasiliev Nikolay
      Vasiliev Nikolay 17 November 2012 22: 55
      -3
      View, but where is Lena, I didn’t understand something - under what nickname?
  16. tambu
    tambu 17 November 2012 20: 11
    -2
    Well, what if three hundred shells arrive from Chechnya on the territory of the Russian Federation ... then there won’t be an answer ???? ..... the author did not understand the situation and slammed the template work .... he was a sinful mistress. ...
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 18 November 2012 03: 51
      -1
      Quote: tambu
      Well, what if three hundred shells arrive from Chechnya to the territory of the Russian Federation ... then there won’t be an answer ???? ..... the author did not understand the situation and slammed the template

      No one has answered this question yet. The question is very simple and banal, but always silence. 300 shells from Georgia to Russia, or from the territory of Chechnya to a populated city, will there be an answer? What will Russia do?
      1. axmed05
        axmed05 18 November 2012 12: 38
        +4
        Quote: Rumata
        No one has answered this question yet. The question is very simple and banal, but always silence. 300 shells from Georgia to Russia, or from the territory of Chechnya to a populated city, will there be an answer? What will Russia do?
        What we did, everyone knows. Chechnya is flourishing as part of Russia, and peace has come to Georgia.
      2. RUSSIA75
        RUSSIA75 20 November 2012 09: 56
        +3
        Quote: Rumata
        No one has answered this question yet. The question is very simple and banal, but always silence. 300 shells from Georgia to Russia, or from the territory of Chechnya to a populated city, will there be an answer? What will Russia do?

        Comparison of these two situations is absurd - we did not impose a blockade on Georgia, didn’t break in and destroy their houses, Georgia possessed and has a good enough army that could resist the enemy, unlike the Palestinians. Another question is that they (Georgians) are not so fighting ! Israel provokes the conflict itself! Read at your leisure about the crimes of Israeli soldiers, where the words of the soldiers themselves are quoted. In their black book, the Breaking the Silence NGO cites Israeli military evidence of violence and human rights violations against Palestinian children. Or is it all a lie again? And yet, how should Sudan answer you, in which you (not personally), in violation of all conceivable UN charters, simply flew in and bombed a plant that produces something there. Is this a norm of international law and relations? And how many such raids on other independent countries did Israel hope to transfer to you!
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 20 November 2012 10: 36
          -4
          Well, again, in response to a very simple question, demagogy about occupation, genocide and war crimes began. I already understood where you get your information from; you can not strain, I will not try to prove anything to you because it is useless. I know this after talking with hundreds and hundreds of people like you. who make serious conclusions based on the first link in google
          1. RUSSIA75
            RUSSIA75 20 November 2012 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: Rumata
            I already understood where you get your information from; you can not strain, I will not try to prove anything to you because it is useless

            That is, in Sudan, the objects were not bombed, as well as in Syria and Iraq? Are you trying to deny the facts? And who is the demagogue and the hypocrite here?
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 20 November 2012 16: 06
              -1
              Quote: RUSSIA75
              That is, in Sudan, the objects were not bombed, as well as in Syria and Iraq? Are you trying to deny the facts? And who is the demagogue and the hypocrite here?

              First of all, who bombed there in Sudan, it’s definitely not clear. If it was Israel, then excellent, respect and respect, since the Fajars flying to Tel Aviv today were produced at this very factory.
              Regarding Syria and Iraq, Israel did what it considered right. If you delve deeply into international law, the war with Georgia was also not very legal, but correct in all respects. If you consider the destruction of the Syrian reactor a mega atrocity, then the flag is in your hands, there’s nothing more to talk about here
              1. RUSSIA75
                RUSSIA75 20 November 2012 16: 15
                0
                Quote: Rumata
                First of all, who bombed there in Sudan, it’s definitely not clear. If it was Israel, then excellent, respect and respect, since the Fajars flying to Tel Aviv today were produced at this very factory.

                So let's bomb Russia and China, because the AK-47 is produced in these and other countries. The gut is thin?
                Quote: Rumata
                If you delve deeply into international law, the war with Georgia was also not very legal, but correct in all respects.

                Do not compare obviously opposite actions.
                Quote: Rumata
                If you consider the destruction of the Syrian reactor a mega atrocity, then the flag is in your hands, there’s nothing more to talk about here

                I consider this a mega violation of the UN Charter and international law.
        2. tambu
          tambu 20 November 2012 14: 42
          0
          Hey, I saw this Arim with my own eyes and those guys ... and you will tell me shit about crimes? ..when near your house "kassam" falls, then you will understand the analogy ... at the same time, fire is allowed on those who launched this rocket not to kill, but only on the legs, so go you know where .... read your books then I myself saw what was happening there ...
          1. RUSSIA75
            RUSSIA75 20 November 2012 14: 50
            0
            Quote: tambu

            Hey, you I saw this Arim with my own eyes and those guys ... and you’ll shit about me telling crimes

            Is that such an argument? Be more modest and learn Russian!
            Quote: tambu
            at the same time, fire is allowed for those who launched this rocket not to defeat but only in the legs, so go and you know where ..

            Is that a joke? And you yourself would go there!
            1. tambu
              tambu 21 November 2012 02: 49
              0
              Only those who have no more adequate arguments speak about grammar .... This is not a joke. I am not suitable for ethnicity ....
  17. WW3
    WW3 17 November 2012 20: 29
    +4
    Quote: tambu
    but what if three hundred shells arrive from Chechnya to the territory of the Russian Federation ... then what will there be no answer ????

    Chechnya is also the territory of the Russian Federation, let it be known to you ...
  18. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 17 November 2012 20: 50
    +2
    Unlike the imperialist states, Syria, like many other Arab countries, as well as Russia, Iran, China, condemned the aggressive actions of Israel carried out under the pretext of combating terrorism, as a result of which innocent people die.

    I cannot understand one thing. What is Israel to do? Disarm? And let the Arabs wet as they want? I consider the actions of the Israelis to be adequate with regard to Gaza. And then tolerance, tolerance ..... Who condemns the Jews-not gorged in Russia "tolerance"?
    1. elenagromova
      17 November 2012 23: 28
      +4
      Admit that they took what does not belong to them, and try to negotiate. To give the Palestinians the right to live in their original land too. And try to develop a good neighborhood.
      1. View
        View 18 November 2012 00: 13
        -2
        do not take, stsuki, used to live on handouts. Yes, and sponsors forbade them wink well, nothing, right now, like the Syrian "sponsor" the barn is on fire wink
        1. irkut2012
          irkut2012 18 November 2012 01: 56
          +1
          it’s not for you, grantosos, blather something about handouts laughing
          would be ashamed am
          1. igor67
            igor67 18 November 2012 21: 24
            +1
            Russian women shahids. As sisters with Israel. School or university more .....
            1. Odessa
              Odessa 18 November 2012 22: 27
              -1
              igor67,
              Such ladies, a regular clientele of Shabak. All Palestinians who have signed up for terrorists have a personal tragedy. Often they are threatened with death under Sharia law. Fate brought them to a terrible choice - either a shameful death at the hands of relatives (sometimes even a father or brother), or the death of a martyr (more precisely, a martyr), at least formally washing away the family shame.
              Thuraye Khamuri is 26 years old. Just before the wedding, the groom left her. She decided to commit suicide and proposed her candidacy to "Tanzim" as a suicide bomber. Shifa al-Kurasi, 28, has a similar fate. Her husband left her. The difficult life of a single mother sometimes cornered. I thought about death. Shifu drew attention to the so-called "death coordinators" from "Tanzima", recruiting suicide bombers and suicide bombers to carry out terrorist attacks.
              Arin Ahmed, a 20-year-old student from Beit Lehem University, decided to become a suicide bomber when she was told that her boyfriend, Jad, had died fighting the Israelis. She decided to take revenge. The head of the Tanzima branch in Beit Lehem, Yusuf Mughrabi, gladly entered Arin into the registers of those who volunteered for the next world. But soon Arin learned the truth - Jud died from careless handling of explosives. She somehow immediately "felt like dying." Thuraye Khamuri and Shifa al-Kurasi also decided to postpone leaving the sublunary world. But it was not there. Death Coordinators do not favor apostates. Persecution and threats began. The apostates had no other way but to flee and surrender to the Israeli authorities.


              The Israeli intelligence services are aware of the attempts of the "death coordinators" from the Palestinian Authority to recruit young Russian women as terrorists, who once married Palestinians and then broke family ties with them. The fact is that such women are almost constantly under stress, because according to Sharia law, children from such marriages remain with their fathers. Unhappy mothers are not in a position to leave the autonomy, for in their position this would mean forever losing communication with their children.
              Irina Polishchuk arrived in Israel to earn some money in the field of this ancient profession. Right at the workplace, I met my future Palestinian husband, Ibrahim Sarakhna, who was her real (in every sense) client. The fact that her husband turned out to be a terrorist did not bother Irina. It was she, Irina Polishchuk, who found herself in the same car with Arin Akhmed, who refused to go to death, and threatened her with reprisals ... Of course, it is not only Tanzim who recruits terrorists. Women's "suicide battalions" are present in Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations. Moreover, a movement called "Women's participation in the Islamic movement" has entrenched itself on the territory of the Palestinian Authority. The leader of the "women's movement" is Jamaliya Shanti, known as the "first-class Palestinian feminist."

              Amnesty International, an international human rights organization, has just published a report that the acts of terror perpetrated by Palestinian militants against Israeli citizens constitute a crime against humanity. It is bitter to realize that among those who violate the laws of humanity, more and more often women's faces flash ...
        2. Green
          Green 18 November 2012 08: 03
          -2
          Yeah, Assad thought that Israel was his enemy, and the Arabs from Qatar and the SA set fire to his hut :) He sponsored and helped organize terrorist attacks against Israel, and the Arabs brothers would tear off his skin alive and lynched :) Odd affairs, Lord. Not that I like scumbags from a free army. Super match: cannibals vs cannibals. But Basharik will soon be hung up for one place anyway and the scalp will be removed, but before that, I still wish him not to blame him, and send as many Wahhabis to the virgins as possible.
          1. elenagromova
            18 November 2012 23: 36
            +1
            It is better to watch your scalp and your places before someone else predicts a similar fate.
            Someone else is not ashamed to uplift such sadistic perverted fantasies ...
            1. Green
              Green 19 November 2012 01: 10
              -4
              Whoever sows the wind will reap the storm. Assad reached out. He smiled so sweetly when Hezbollah launched his rockets in the northern cities of Israel. And I remember his sadistic statements. This is the problem of evil - it devours itself. I wonder how the Arabs, once an outstanding progressive civilization that laid the foundations of algebra, geometry, astronomy and medicine, came to such obscurantism and intellectual degradation. Everything that happens in the Arab world, all this hatred, massacres, genocide against each other - not a conspiracy of the West, do not be fooled. This is just a continuation and broadcast of that hatred, complexes and animal bitterness caused by hatred and black envy towards the developed and progressive West, which six times landed on the Moon, the West, which built a collider in the Alps, and stares at the Andromeda nebula through the Hubble lens. Of all the benefits of civilization and the fruits of progress, the Arabs chose only weapons and means of destruction. Assad was educated in the West, probably many of his teachers were Jews. Just like the Palestinians are treated in Israeli hospitals, willingly using the fruits and achievements of Jewish science, and then they come to the same hospitals to kill. Poverty, technological backwardness, and hatred and seas of blood - all this is only a consequence of the anger and hatred that settled in the souls of these people. all Arab regimes and Assad were no exception exploited, canalized, and based on hatred of Israel, and not on progress, education and development. But hate devours itself. And the resources of the Qatari and Saudi cannibals are incommensurably greater than the resources of the Syrian. So, do not console yourself with empty hopes, Syria will be strangled, frozen, and torn. Moreover, I understand that Bashar himself is most likely a hostage to the cannibalistic clan and those cannibalistic orders that his father left him. But he, educated in the West, did not try to change ANYTHING. And he will have to pay for the wind that he did not sow, but he continued to water and fertilize this wind until the storm sprouted. Good luck to him. Now just have time to reap and hack.
      2. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 18 November 2012 00: 15
        -3
        Elena, in order to liberate "their ancestral lands," the Palestinians need to do something quite different from what Hamas is doing now. They should do their utmost to encourage Israel to make further unilateral withdrawals, like the withdrawal from Gaza. One could even make several non-binding statements about the possible early recognition of Israel. If I act in this way, it would be realistic to return to the borders of the 67th year and get East Jerusalem. And there Allah is already great.
        In Hamas’s leadership, they’re not fools and they understand everything perfectly. But they just don’t need it.
        1. irkut2012
          irkut2012 18 November 2012 02: 04
          -4
          Well ridiculed wink
          Who will believe your Zionist fairy tales ?! laughing laughing laughing
      3. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 18 November 2012 00: 58
        +1
        Quote: elenagromova
        Admit that they took what does not belong to them, and try to negotiate. To give the Palestinians the right to live in their original land too. And try to develop a good neighborhood.


        I sincerely want to understand what is happening there.
        If in the case of Syria, in my opinion, there is direct aggression of Western countries by the hands of mercenaries (Assad is bad or good), then it is more difficult with Palestine. The relationship of Palestinians and Israelis reminds me, excuse me, of a quarrel between two grandmothers in the yard. They no longer remember what the quarrel began with, but the enemies are sworn. Negotiating, even if long and difficult, is necessary, and not bullet hiding behind residential neighborhoods and schools. And then blame the Jews for barbarism. And yet. Support for the Palestinians was and is not small. It's just that Israel has created industry, science, tourism, the army ... from scratch. By the way, they do not fight with the wrong hands. What did the Palestinians create?
        1. BRATISHKA
          BRATISHKA 18 November 2012 13: 31
          +4
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          It's just that Israel has created industry, science, tourism, the army ... from scratch. By the way, they do not fight with the wrong hands. What did the Palestinians create?

          Nahum Goldman, longtime chairman of the World Jewish Congress, writes in his book The Jewish Paradox (4): “Without the German compensations that were paid in the first 10 years after the founding of Israel, the state could not have developed even half of the existing infrastructure: the entire railway fleet, all ships, all power plants, as well as most of the industry are of German origin "

          By 1992, Germany paid Israel (as well as Jewish organizations), according to official statistics, 85,4 billion German. marks (3), the actual numbers are much higher. This should include the German free delivery of various goods.

          Maybe all the same it is not in industry, science and tourism?
          1. Professor
            Professor 18 November 2012 13: 35
            -2
            ... on the other hand, Palestinians per inhabitant received more help than anyone else in history (more than post-war Europe according to the Marshall plan). No result. request
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 18 November 2012 13: 49
            -7
            Let's take a look. On 10 of September 1952, an agreement was signed under which Germany was to pay in commercial form to Israel 3 billion marks over 14 years. Payments were completed in 1965 year. Then came compensation to individuals - they were slightly lower. You are now using one wonderful agitation that is referenced to the Spiegel magazine from 1992. Neither the scan of this article, nor that article - no.
          3. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 18 November 2012 16: 33
            +3
            Quote: BRATISHKA
            Maybe all the same it is not in industry, science and tourism?


            All the same, with no lesser amounts, the Arabs did not create anything. Just for some reason, our stool comes to mind.
            It can be seen that Elena wrote this article with pain, worried. I respect her opinion. But hatred blinds, does not create. The only way to a solution to this conflict is the long one - to seek a compromise, negotiations. But this requires the desire of both parties. While I see the path to a dead end. Most likely the living will not see the world. To my great regret
            1. BRATISHKA
              BRATISHKA 18 November 2012 18: 14
              +2
              There was a mammoth,
              That is, based on your logic, peoples who have not created anything do not have the right to life? Well then let's bomb the floor of Africa? Well, do the Palestinians live and live, they have no science, no industry, no merkas, domes and the like, to whom did they interfere when they were fenced off with barbed wire fence in the late 40s? If a tenant who occupies the entire living space settles in your 3-room apartment and locks you on the balcony, preventing you from going to the pusher or the kitchen, how will you react? I’m talking about one thing: is it fair to build a state on the blood of Palestinians in the middle of the 20th century? When the Jews settled there, did the Palestinians cut out their chtoli? Palestinians fenced off them with barbed wire?
              1. voxpopuli
                voxpopuli 18 November 2012 19: 28
                -3
                it's not about whether they create or not. you're right, it's their own business. But without creating anything, they automatically begin to envy their more successful neighbor, blaming him for all their troubles. And this more successful neighbor, seeing that the neighborhood with this homeless rogue, who does not want to make any efforts to organize his own life, has the right to ask - "What awaits me in the future from the neighborhood with these comrades?"
                This neighbor has the right to prohibit the appearance of this "lumpen" (who actually sucks everyone around for a tidy sum) on the threshold of his apartment.

                And the example about the apartment is inadequate. You described this apartment as originally owned by Arabs. But history cannot be rewritten, as if the Arabs did not want this. Because the history of this region is described in the most published book of all times and peoples - the Bible, no matter how we relate to it, whoever we believe or do not believe, it confirms the right of the Jewish people to this land.

                And the phrase about "When the Jews settled there, the Palestinians slaughtered them chtoli?" speaks of your insufficient knowledge of the history of the Middle East. Read the pzhl more about Arab nationalism and terrorism of the 20-30s, about the emergence, as countering them, of Jewish self-defense units, which later evolved into the Israeli army

                Thank you for your attention
                1. BRATISHKA
                  BRATISHKA 18 November 2012 19: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: voxpopuli
                  And the example about the apartment is inadequate. You described this apartment as originally owned by Arabs. But history cannot be rewritten, as if the Arabs did not want this. Because the history of this region is described in the most published book of all times and peoples - the Bible, no matter how we relate to it, whoever we believe or do not believe, it confirms the right of the Jewish people to this land.

                  A dubious argument, some kind of mythical character wrote some kind of book, 2000 years ago, indicated in it that Jews should live somewhere on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean, after 20 centuries they woke up, what side should Palestinians care about Jewish fairy tales? leave the literature in your library.

                  Quote: voxpopuli
                  And the phrase about "When the Jews settled there, the Palestinians slaughtered them chtoli?" speaks of your insufficient knowledge of the history of the Middle East. Read the pzhl more about Arab nationalism and terrorism of the 20-30s, about the emergence, as countering them, of Jewish self-defense units, which later evolved into the Israeli army

                  I already gave a list of Jewish terrorist organizations, read what they were doing in Arab villages, the current Hamas, Fatah will seem small children.
                  1. voxpopuli
                    voxpopuli 18 November 2012 20: 06
                    -3
                    I cited as an example the most famous book of all. It’s difficult for me to bring you any other historical sources as a justification of the Jewish right to this land, because you see only what you want to see. There are Jews, but they do not have rights to Israel. You have a very alternative view of history

                    I have not seen your list of Jewish terrorist organizations, but I’m sure that you impartially described every case of Jewish terrorism in it, and the reaction to which it served

                    Good luck to you
                    1. BRATISHKA
                      BRATISHKA 18 November 2012 20: 19
                      0
                      Quote: voxpopuli
                      I find it difficult to bring you any other historical sources as a justification of the Jewish right to this land

                      Well, try, in addition to the Bible, there is the Talmud, the Koran, what other tales are there? read maybe Jews in large areas claim

                      Quote: voxpopuli
                      There are Jews, but they do not have rights to Israel. You have a very alternative view of history

                      Well, I thought the Jews were fantastic, but the question remains, what relation do the Palestinians who live there have to Jewish tales? Could the Jews be somewhere in Africa, or in Russia? we even have an autonomous region that is 10 times more than Israel

                      Quote: voxpopuli
                      I have not seen your list of Jewish terrorist organizations, but I’m sure that you impartially described every case of Jewish terrorism in it, and the reaction to which it served

                      And you read higher. Yes, and I also believe that Hitler personally tortured 6 million Jews in the camps, oh! Sorry, I wanted to say 6 billion Jews.
                      1. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 November 2012 20: 33
                        +5
                        Quote: BRATISHKA
                        maybe the Jews claim to large territories

                        And you don’t know, colleague, that they claim to THE WHOLE WORLD? Well ... The tasks of Zionism in the near future - the capture of world domination and the transformation of all the non-Jews (goyim) into their slaves. (!!!)
                      2. voxpopuli
                        voxpopuli 18 November 2012 21: 02
                        -1
                        What are you, what are you! I will not prove anything to you and argue with you! Why should I give you the names of historians of all ages and the titles of their venerable works? What's the point of this? You are a person who has a "list" copied on the Internet for all occasions smile I do not argue with lists wink
                        Leave the Autonomous Region to yourself, it has nothing to do with the Jews. Better give it to the Chinese, I am sure that in their "fairy tales" it is already theirs wink

                        And you danced so famously on the bones of the slain ... it speaks of your upbringing or its absence

                        Good luck to you
              2. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 18 November 2012 19: 52
                +1
                Quote: BRATISHKA
                That is, based on your logic, peoples who have not created anything do not have the right to life?


                I do not think so. And he did not realize that I could be accused of wanting to destroy the whole human race. I hope that you are not serious.
                Every person, Arab, Jew, Russian or any other nationality has the right to life, his own and those close to him. Therefore, I repeat - until the Palestinians and Israelis begin to try to understand their friend and begin peace negotiations to seek compromises, blood will be shed there. While there are enough people who want to kill there, there are clearly more of them than those who want to raise children peacefully.
                Even here, on the site there is no consensus - who started and who is to blame more. And how to respond to terrorists? And there?
                Have you ever thought that their tragedy can easily be projected onto Russia? Try to analyze relations with Chechnya and Dagestan. A lot of similar.
                1. BRATISHKA
                  BRATISHKA 18 November 2012 20: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  Have you ever thought that their tragedy can easily be projected onto Russia? Try to analyze relations with Chechnya and Dagestan. A lot of similar.


                  August 31, 1996 in the Dagestan city of Khasav-Yurt, in the presence of observers from the OSCE, the so-called "Khasavyurt agreements" were signed on a ceasefire and hostilities in Grozny and the rest of the CRI. The relationship between the Russian Federation and the CRI was supposed to be determined within five years (until December 31, 2001). On the Russian side, the document was signed by the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Alexander Lebed and his deputy Sergey Kharlamov, on the Chechen side - Aslan Maskhadov, chief of the General Staff of the ChRI Armed Forces, and Sayd-Hassan Abumuslimov, vice president of the ChRI.

                  January 27, 1997 under the supervision of representatives from over 60 states and international organizations, under the auspices of the OSCE, elections were held for the President and Parliament of CRI. Aslan Maskhadov was elected President of CRI.

                  On May 12, 1997, in Moscow, Russian President Boris Yeltsin and President of CRI Aslan Maskhadov signed the “Agreement on Peace and the Principles of Relations between the Russian Federation and the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria,” which legally stated that relations between the parties are built “on the basis and principles of international law”. The said agreement de facto and de jure became the recognition by the Russian Federation of the state sovereignty of CRI.

                  analyzed what next? Tell me at least one subject of the Russian Federation with which Moscow would sign any agreements as with an independent state. education? After all, Yeltsin himself once said, take sovereignty how much you can take away, so the Chechens have taken what is the problem? they have no less legitimacy than Abkhazia or Ossetia (I would say they don’t have it at all).
                  1. Was mammoth
                    Was mammoth 18 November 2012 21: 14
                    0
                    Didn't forget to analyze "Nord Ost"?
                    Someone said that the ability to talk is the ability to hear.
                    1. BRATISHKA
                      BRATISHKA 19 November 2012 15: 36
                      -1
                      Quote: There was a mammoth
                      Didn't forget to analyze "Nord Ost"?
                      Someone said that the ability to talk is the ability to hear.

                      There are no acts of terrorism that are committed just like that, out of the blue they are always beneficial to someone. Remember the bombings of residential buildings in Buinaksk, Volgodonsk, Moscow, in 99, 307 people died, everyone was blamed on the Chechens, although no one specifically indicated where and who exactly was blown up, it was just profitable to demonize Chechens at that moment, you yourself know . Have you heard about the Ryazan incident?

                      Here is a quote from a commentary on the Wall Street Journal, which came out in the wake of the events in the Nord-Ost:
                      “The militants were armed with 114 hand grenades, 15 AKSU-74 assault rifles and 11 pistols. However, the Chechens opened fire and used grenades only against special forces. In addition, the militants did not detonate the bombs they installed, although they had every opportunity to do so. Apparently, they only threatened an explosion, but in reality they had a strict order to refrain from causing serious harm to the hostages ... The fact that the militants, even dying, did not kill the hostages, is not even d