The German army actually closed part of the Ukrainian sky by placing air defense systems in Poland

The German armed forces have deployed modules of launchers of American Patriot air defense systems in the Polish suburb of Zamosc (Zamosc), located at a distance of 120 kilometers from the border with Belarus and 50 kilometers from the Ukrainian border.

Thus, the German army actually took control of part of the Ukrainian airspace.

The official reason for the deployment of air defense systems was the incident with a Ukrainian missile that fell on the border area of ​​Poland and destroyed a tractor and an outbuilding on one of the farms. Two Polish citizens were also killed.

Ukrainian air defense systems often hit civilian targets both on their own territory and on the territory of neighboring countries. In the very first days after the start of the Russian special operation in Ukraine, reports began to appear about the defeat of a residential building in Kyiv by a Ukrainian S-300 missile. The most massive was the defeat with the help of Ukrainian air defense of a residential building in Dnepropetrovsk, which entailed the complete destruction of a section of a nine-story building and numerous casualties among the civilian population.

As practice has shown, the Soviet S-300 air defense systems in service with the Ukrainian army are not in the best technical condition, in addition, Ukraine lacks specially trained personnel for anti-aircraft systems.

However, by closing part of Ukrainian airspace, Germany was able to shoot down Russian missiles and missiles attacking military targets on Ukrainian territory. Drones. The near future may show whether the NATO members are ready for such hostilities.

Comments

[Hanurik]

Another red line is coming. They will shoot down our caliber from abroad and look at the reaction, which will not be, then they will take one more step forward.

[Quote Lavrov]

In principle, your comment is exhaustive and then you can close the branch altogether for statements - everything you need has already been said by you.

[seregatara1969]

And let our plane be shot down without participating in the conflict! And we'll see

[Quote Lavrov]

It's true! The Turkish "partner" will not let you lie.

[HattinGokbori88]

In Turkey, the Russian aircraft was actually on a military mission to kill Turkish-backed Syrians. Russia killed 30 Turkish soldiers in retaliation, the Turks knew it would be very stupid to start a war with Russia over this case and NATO would be very happy in this situation. So they killed 2000 Assad soldiers to appease the nationalists.
However, in the end, Turkey is never a military partner of Russia. He wants Russia to "return to the 2014 border" in Ukraine, and Erdogan has always been very clear about this. On the commercial/economic side, yes, Turkey is not only a partner, it is probably the most important partner right now.

[Luenkov]

Which plane is in Turkey? What is this fake about?

[Revolver]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

It's true! The Turkish "partner" will not let you lie.

In Germany, they do not grow tomatoes that a sanitary doctor may consider inappropriate. And there are no seaside resorts with palm trees.

[Foundling]

It was already. Got rid of the tomatoes..........

[isv000]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

In principle, your comment is exhaustive and then you can close the branch altogether for statements - everything you need has already been said by you.

Well, this is how to look. How much is the firing range there - a maximum of 50 km, and then if missile defense, and even 20 km at all. There is not even a border post to cover ...

[Smoked]

Do not start a nuclear war because of this. Well, something like this.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Do not start a nuclear war because of this. Well, something like this.

This is the problem, that not only our leadership, but also part of a particularly cowardly electorate, is more afraid of the threat of a nuclear war than Western "partners".

[Quote Lavrov]

Only a complete idiot who has neither children nor parents, who does not care about millions, billions of people around and for all future generations, can not be afraid of nuclear war.

[Tzar]

That is, the destiny of a smart person is to lose in a war with conventional weapons, with all the ensuing consequences for children and parents? Mind chamber.

[Arsen1]

What are the consequences? Now the state helps your parents and children a lot?

[Tzar]

Quote: Arsen1

What are the consequences?

Answered below:

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

That is, between nuclear war and slavery, will you choose slavery?

Just don’t say that we are still there, but if it weren’t for this state, we would now be “drinking Bavarian with sausages”

[Quote Lavrov]

Are you out of your mind at all?? Have we used all the forces and means? Is the state in danger of destruction? Why the hell, in a local conflict, which, mind you, is not even defined as WAR, do you take out a nuclear baton?
The feeling that you just see life in some kind of computer game. Where do you have the reload button. Complete irresponsibility to billions of people and the future of all mankind.

[Tzar]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Have we used all the forces and means?

Do you propose to spend the entire arsenal of conventional weapons on Ukraine, lose a bunch of planes and pilots during an air defense breakthrough, fill up the fortifications with the bodies of our soldiers during the assault and stay with a bloodless army against everyone else?

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Is the state in danger of destruction?

Why should a state be in danger of being destroyed in order to use tactical nuclear weapons to destroy major transport hubs and capital structures of the enemy? No one proposes to beat the Yars-Sarmatians in the residential areas of Kyiv.

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Complete irresponsibility to billions of people and the future of all mankind.

Why should we, for the sake of humanity, whose western part wants our defeat, lay down the lives of our best people?

[Essex62]

The use of tactical nuclear weapons by us will become a precedent that entails a similar use by others. A new level of armed conflicts around the globe. No, a vigorous loaf is the last shot before death, well, a deterrent tool, not a tool to win a police operation. Russia has enough opportunities to achieve this victory with conventional weapons.

[charioteer]

so don't start a war you can't win

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Only a complete idiot who has neither children nor parents, who does not care about millions, billions of people around and for all future generations, can not be afraid of nuclear war.

That is, between nuclear war and slavery, will you choose slavery?

[Quote Lavrov]

I repeat:
Are you out of your mind at all?? Have we used all the forces and means? Is the state in danger of destruction? What slavery are you talking about? In general, do you already exist in some kind of fictional reality and send yourself in submission to someone?
Why the hell, in a local conflict, which, mind you, is not even defined as WAR, do you take out a nuclear baton?
The feeling that you just see life in some kind of computer game. Where do you have the reload button. Complete irresponsibility to billions of people and the future of all mankind.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Imagine, completely in your own. And at the same time, I do not hide my head in the sand shyly calling the real war of the NWO. For whatever one may say, the war is going on on the territory of our state, dismembered in 1991. And on both sides of the front, our people are dying, regardless of how they were brainwashed, and washed by both. Our cities and industry are also being destroyed.
And the nuclear baton exists in order to stop such a disgrace. For what is the use of it if there is no will to use it. We only draw "red lines", while the West step by step raises the "degree" of this undeclared war.
And if you do not understand, then nuclear weapons should not be used in Ukraine. The real alternative to such gifts should be realized first of all by the United States.
However, this sentence of yours:

Complete irresponsibility to billions of people and the future of all mankind.

explains everything.

[Rustic i ......]

You tell this to those who deliberately blew themselves up with the last remaining grenade so as not to be defeated.

[flint]

Only a complete idiot can assume that the West wants a nuclear war. Their goal is to quietly and relatively peacefully destroy Russia. Under Khrushchev, the USSR had much less nuclear power than the States, and yet Kennedy backed down. And now the West will get mad to the fullest if something starts with a nuclear bias. It's just that our management is behaving strangely.

[Foundling]

Management cannot come to their own press conference on time. What is strategic planning?

[Foundling]

We will all die someday. Not sure it's easy.

[dmi.pris1]

Ah! Well, of course, the useless people "master" got it .. But in essence the article .. Yes, the name does not quite correspond to the content.

[Anachoret]

German air defense has been actively hitting milk near Kiev for a long time) a couple of months ago there was even a vidos of how they got into a residential building on the stove) well, or somewhere in the vydubychi region) these were just the vaunted German air defense systems))
So German air defense is smeared no worse than the rest))

[D16]

They will shoot down our caliber from abroad and

They won't hit. Due to the roundness of the earth. Calculate what will be the height of the radio horizon at a distance of 50+ km. The Patriot is generally not designed to deal with low-altitude targets. So three dragged them to Poland to demonstrate European unity, and not to fight Caliber and Geraniums.

[VB]

How banderlogs actively work at VO, you just wonder! They minus with might and main and write complaints. Disgusting. VO is changing.

[saigon]

Well, the caliber of that one still needs to be brought down. This is one facet, the second facet - the launch of missiles from the territory of Poland looks like direct participation in the database of a NATO country.
Who knows what the reaction of our superiors may be to a question to which it is better not to know the answer.
In addition, our glorious Air Force does not fly that far, however, because they have never tried to crush the enemy’s air defense (blah blah and some body of movement in this direction is not something serious).

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Hanurik

They will shoot down our caliber from abroad

This will be a pretext for war. If they shoot down over the territory of the outskirts.

[Foundling]

It won't. In Vietnam, we generally shot down each other. And no third world

[Leontrotsky]

And if, in the event of a caliber being shot down from abroad, this patriot becomes a target on the territory of Poland?

[Two]

If only the "dull horse" does not begin to chew thoughtfully on his reins...

[skeptic]

Quote: Hanurik

Another red line is coming.

This is what the Russian army had to do along the entire border with the LDNR at the beginning, including with long-range artillery .. But from the army and Russia, they are trying to make "MU-MU".

[Mavrikiy]

The German Armed Forces have deployed modules launchers of American Patriot air defense systems. Thus, the German army actually took control of part of the Ukrainian airspace.

Expand, it's still not a bullet ....

[Quote Lavrov]

The gun shown in the first act .... in the last must fire.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

.in the latter must shoot

Hanging on the wall and will shoot at the wall. They will not cover the lions from there. "Lionfish" fly at low altitude. They are not visible from afar.

[Zamira]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Expand, it's still not a bullet ....

This is the first step to "pulping".
And somehow I have no confidence that the Poles will not do this.
So to speak, "vague doubts torment."
I am afraid that the Poles may well be connected to this war directly, and not indirectly. And not even that they "can", but they are already quite prepared for themselves.

[Alien From]

They are capable of anything. Because of the indecision of our leaders.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Alien From

They are capable of anything. Because of the indecision of our leaders.

What trouble! no one dares to tell a mattress that he is a mattress ... Everything in our fashion is like this:

The servility has reached the point where, in a loud voice, interrupting each other, officials and politicians SUDDENLY (!!!) for no apparent reason, without obvious and visible reasons for rebellion on the part of a Russian citizen more than once dressed in a kukan, outside the political activity of the opposition became to assert that our country is threatened with complete collapse and EVEN (!!!) physical death if our only and unsurpassed guarantor leaves us (for whatever reasons) ...
This is to what degree of interchangeability it was necessary to jump so that in the entire one hundred and fifty millionth country there was not even a semblance of historical genius ... And who would have thought that within the walls of the office they could not prevent the destruction of the USSR (to which they swore), but they were able to educate an employee, willpower and breadth of mind, which has become both indispensable and the guarantor of our existence at the same time ...
I immediately remember:

I erected a monument to myself not made by hands,
People's path will not grow to it,
He ascended higher as the head of the unruly
The Alexandrian Pillar.

* * *
It turns out that Mikhail Mishustin will not pull? Then who appointed him to the position that obliges:

(Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of October 3, 1993 No. 1576). “In all cases when the President of the Russian Federation is unable to fulfill his duties, they are temporarily performed by the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation.”

[spirit]

The near future may show whether the NATO members are ready for such hostilities.

Naturally, especially after the battery of patriots is brought to the square. Go and prove later where who launched the rockets from.

[Bingo]

Complete nonsense))) To close means to shoot down everything that flies, and this is the last thing the Germans need. Because the arrivals of the same Iris-T around Kyiv have long been documented, and how the Patriots return to the launch point ... Ask the Saudis.

[blackGRAIL]

Quite right. It's like saying that the Russian S-400s located in Kaliningrad closed the skies over Poland and blocked the action of Polish aviation. German Patriots monitor the airspace and nothing more. The patriots who will try to shoot down our missiles have been officially announced by the Americans to be handed over to Ukraine, without any deployment on Polish territory.

[rotmistr60]

the German army actually took control of part of the Ukrainian airspace.

This means that the calculations for the deployed air defense systems are German. And who makes the decision to destroy air targets? Did the NATO command or cunningly shoved responsibility onto the Germans? Who will take responsibility for the destruction, if this happens, of a Russian missile, UAV, aircraft from the territory of Poland? Or is the military flywheel so untwisted that it doesn't give a damn about the response?

[Stepan S]

And who makes the decision to destroy air targets? NATO command or

No one has shot down or destroyed anyone yet, but a lively discussion has already been launched in the style - if only, if only. Like schoolchildren

[Johny]

in in, deployed air defense in Poland and how many texts have already been written in the comments))

[dauria]

The near future may show whether the NATO members are ready for such hostilities.

They "northern streams" did not hesitate to blow up. They understood that the Kremlin would endure. It will come to the introduction of "peacekeepers",
And to shoot from Poland at a target in the sky of Ukraine - who will forbid it. The Russian bear sits on a short chain. And this chain is made of gold, exported by the elite to partners. Brzezinski was right - "This is no longer our elite"

[Murmur 55]

Yeah, but flying NATO scouts like Avax and other Poseidons are not control ?!

[alexey_444]

What do they control there? Cruise missiles can’t see further than 50 km and we don’t fly higher there. The Patriot doesn’t stand close to our air defense, but this does not prevent orcs and UAVs from shooting into the depths of our country and dissecting on airplanes with helicopters. Now, if 20 pieces of complexes were delivered so that there would be a part all the time in the working mode, then yes, we can talk about something, how many complexes we have brought from all over the country, there is nothing like this anywhere in the world, but they still find gaps. And the motivation, each of our joints are dead fighters and civilians, but whether the German operator is a Pole, a hundred orcs more than a hundred less, lunch on time and not ... Swings.

[Million]

Germany got the opportunity to shoot down Russian missiles and drones attacking military targets on the territory of Ukraine. The near future may show whether NATO is ready for such hostilities.

Of course they are ready. But the Kremlin is not. They will express concern, and that’s it. They won’t destroy it ...

[tihonmarine]

The near future may show whether the NATO members are ready for such hostilities.

And this is the beginning of a world war.

[Daishi]

I propose to launch a rocket with nuclear weapons at Berlin from the territory of Kaliningrad, and then see what happens if they swallow it in Paris

[Stepan S]

in Berlin from the territory of Kaliningrad, and then see what happens if they swallow it in Paris

Why not start in London?

[Stepan S]

However, by closing part of the Ukrainian airspace, Germany was able to shoot down Russian missiles and drones attacking military targets on the territory of Ukraine.

Isn't it time to start launching balloons towards their positions?

[1erWahrheitsMinister_1984]

Die Verantwortlichkeit wird ebenso wie die glasklare Definition
and KRIEGSTEILNEHMER quasi über Nacht und sehr plötzlich
comment; ebenso wie der KNALLHARTE und unerwartete
GEGENSCHLAG., für Polen und ebenso für Deutschland..!!!

[Popov I.P.]

Herr Minister! Ich stimme Ihnen zu. Aber ich hoffe, dass das deutsche Militär als Fachleute das verstehen, im Gegensatz zu Politikern wie Stoltz und Babok, die versuchen, Deutschland in einen militärischen Konflikt mit unvorhersehbaren Folgen zu verwickeln.

[The pilot's son]

Over Ukraine and without the help of the Germans, a no-fly zone was actually established for Russian aviation. Alas.

[Ulan.1812]

So, what is next? Will they use on Russian aircraft and cruise missiles? Let's see if they decide or not.

[Bulrumeb]

If the German air defense from Poland works on our aircraft, then this is an act of aggression and war, whatever one may say. But if according to "Caliber", etc., then options are possible here. Most likely there will be a drawing of multi-colored lines.

[andrey682006]

The Patriot has a range of 80-100 km for aerodynamic targets. And the distance from the Polish-Ukrainian border is 120 km. Therefore, the expression in the title "actually covered part of the Ukrainian sky" is nothing more than lies and propaganda. In reality, from Poland it is possible to control the sky over western Ukraine with the help of a radar station, nothing more.

[DefenderofTruth]

This means that NATO and the Armed Forces of Ukraine can safely place whatever they want at the Yavorovsky training ground.

[Mister who]

Make 2000 cheap mini Drones out of plywood, any pro will go crazy. There was a magazine at the SOYUZ, a young modeller. )

[Igorash]

Yes, there will be no practical answer .. And the pilots are already afraid ... knowing this .. This was NATO's task. Watching Putin's speech, he drew attention to the fact that those in power turned blue even more, showing their commitment to the ideals of the West ... all that has been said .. in short turned off ...

[75 Sergey]

Do they want to fire?
I think they will immediately pour, risky guys

[Petr_Koldunov]

Well, the downing of Russian missiles from Polish territory - wouldn't it mean Poland's entry into the war at the official level?

Something is wrong here. Maybe with the range of the missiles (for example, they do not reach the territory of Ukraine and close only the territory of Poland to the border), maybe with the parameters of the equipment (for example, we are talking only about the radar, and the missiles are installed further - again, so as not to fly out of borders of Poland).
In general, the news more than requires research and finding out the truth ...

[isv000]

Thus, the German army actually took control of part of the Ukrainian airspace.

Well, it's like putting on one sock and bragging about how nice your suit is...