Military Review

Soviet hurt. Stronger does not happen

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For many of us, a whole decade of life fell on the nineties of the twentieth century. The twentieth century, an extraordinary century. The more interesting it is for the historian, the sadder it is for the contemporary. The past century has presented Russia with many great and tragic moments, the last of which was the “dashing nineties” - an insane chain of events during the disintegration of the superpower after the shameful for Russia 1991 year. A huge giant sprawled on 12 time zones collapsed and crumbled under the onslaught of the free market, overnight millions of our fellow citizens became foreigners, the fire of the Chechen war broke out, and Central Asia plunged into a new Middle Ages. The knock of miners' helmets on the Moscow pavement and the MMM's financial scam - that's all we have come as a result of the fierce reforms started by a handful of short-sighted politicians and economists under the strict guidance of specialists from the Harvard Institute for International Development.

Now, recalling that time, many are wondering - was everything really hopelessly lost? Ten years of emptiness. Stagnation in all industries, the degeneration of the Soviet scientific school, whose achievements recently shone from space orbits to the cold depths of the oceans. Together with Nikolaev slipways dreams about ocean navy, industrial chains collapsed and the military-industrial complex ceased to function.
Soviet hurt. Stronger does not happen

Fortunately, the reality was much less pessimistic. The giant backlog left after the Soviet Union made it possible to overcome the terrible period and, despite the enormous losses, allowed modern Russia to remain one of the most influential countries in the world. Today I would like to talk about how, despite all the hysterical cries of "Lost everything!", People continued to work in their enterprises, creating amazing samples of technology. First of all, military equipment. The military-industrial complex is a fusion of high-tech industries, the engine of progress and an indicator of the level of state development.

Fleet is gaining momentum. By inertia

Perhaps for many it will be a discovery, but the notorious submarine Kursk was one of the most modern submarines in the world. The nuclear submarine missile carrier K-141 "Kursk" (code of the project 949А) was laid 22 March 1992 of the year. Two years later, 16 May 1994, the boat was launched and 30 December of the same year was accepted into the Northern Fleet. The 150 meter is a whopping 24 with thousands of tons. Two nuclear reactors, 24 supersonic cruise missiles, 130 man crew. An atomic-powered vessel could cut through the ocean waters at a speed of a 32 node (60 km / h) and go to a depth of 600 meters. Hmm ... it seems that not all engineers and workers of the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise drank themselves or turned into "businessmen" with large checkered bags filled with Turkish consumer goods.



K-141 "Kursk" - not the only submarine, built in that difficult time. Together with it, the same type of K-150 "Tomsk" was built on the stocks of Sevmash: the bookmark was August 1991, the launching was July 1996. 17 March 1997 of the year K-150 became part of the 1 fleet of submarines of the Northern Fleet. In 1998, the newest underwater nuclear-powered vessel made the transition to the Far East under the ice of the Arctic Ocean. Currently part of the Pacific Fleet.
In addition to the “aircraft carrier killers” of the 949A project, the multipurpose atomic “Pikes” of the 971 project were built by inertia in the country ruined by the reforms:
K-419 Kuzbass. Bookmark 1991. Launch: 1992. Admission to the fleet in 1992.
K-295 Samara. Bookmark 1993 d. Launching 1994 d. Admission to the fleet in the year 1995.
K-157 Vepr. Bookmark 1990 d. Launching 1994 d. Admission to the fleet in the year 1995.
K-335 "Cheetah", laid down in 1991, was no longer able to be completed within normal terms - its construction was delayed for many years (adopted in the Northern Fleet in 2001). The same fate awaited the K-152 “Nerpa” boat - its construction was carried out for a long 12 years. When getting acquainted with the facts, it is clearly seen how the industrial impulse left by the disappeared USSR gradually faded. The ship construction lines were getting longer, in the second half of the 90's only one new boat was laid - the strategic submarine carrier Y-Dolgoruky K-535 (code of the 955 project Borey).

Difficult and expensive surface ships were a luxury item even for the Soviet Union. The construction of a large surface fleet was clearly beyond the power of the newly formed country, nevertheless some progress was achieved: in 1998, the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great, the last of the four Orlans, became the largest and most powerful of non-inclining ships in the world. The construction of the atomic cruiser was carried out with significant interruptions for more than 10 years, but efforts were not in vain - 26 thousands of tons of glittering metal now plow the oceans, showing the whole planet St. Andrew's flag.

In addition to the powerful cruiser, it was possible to complete the large anti-submarine ship Admiral Chabanenko (bookmark - 1990 year, entry into service - 1999) and two squadron destroyers of the 956 project - “Important” and “Thoughtful”. Unfortunately, immediately after the acceptance act was signed, the flag of the Russian Navy was lowered on the destroyers and both ships replenished the military fleet of the People's Republic of China.

BOD "Admiral Chabanenko". The total displacement is 9000 tons. Crew 300 man. The ship is equipped with a balanced armament complex and is able to effectively deal with surface, underwater and airborne enemy in the vast world ocean.

A truly significant event for our sailors was the development of the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov - the ship was built in the last years of the USSR and its testing fell on the "dashing nineties." Obviously, not everyone in the leadership of the Navy dreamed about how to quickly ship ships to China for metal. Among the admirals were real OFFICERS and PATRIOTS - in the most difficult years for the country, the fleet received 26 carrier-based Su-33 fighters and painstaking work began on the development of a new ship, testing its systems and testing the tactics of using an aircraft carrier group. Especially memorable was the “Mediterranean Raid” - a long voyage of warships of the Northern Fleet (December 1995 - March 1996), during which an exchange of visits with American sailors took place, and the deck aviation both countries carried out major joint maneuvers.
Despite all the efforts to save the ships, our fleet suffered heavy losses: we did not wait for the Ulyanovsk nuclear aircraft carrier and a series of large anti-submarine ships Ave. 1155.1. Many submarines under construction were ruined, a significant part of the ships lost their combat capability and was sold abroad - by the beginning of the new century the Navy had not received half of what had been planned in 80's. But you must admit that Russian shipbuilders were not at all idle ...

Only numbers and facts

It was not by chance that I paid much attention to the description of the problems and achievements of the Russian Navy. The Navy is the most complex and expensive type of the Armed Forces, according to its state a logical conclusion can be made about the state of the entire military-industrial complex.
There were certain successes in other industries: they did not sit idle in Nizhny Tagil - in the 90s, 120 modern forces received tanks T-90 and several hundred units of combat tracked for various purposes. Few, very few - in developed countries, the bill went to many hundreds of cars, but still better than nothing at all. Russian tank builders were able to maintain the technology, mastered mass production in the fierce conditions of the free market, and even managed to reach the world level, becoming one of the leading exporters of armored vehicles.

New weapons systems were actively developed: the Beech M1-2, Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile systems (first demonstrated at the international aerospace show MAKS-1995), numerous modifications of the C-300 systems were created, weapons: pistols GSH-18, automatic AN-94 "Abakan".
Aviation did not lag behind: in the 1997, the Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopter made its first flight — a worthy successor to the traditions of the Black Shark; in the early 90s, the Su-30 commercial project began — the Sukhoi fighter jets began to move rapidly on the world market.

A number of “non-production-oriented” steps were taken towards strengthening the Russian air force: thus, at the very end of 90, an agreement was concluded with Ukraine on the transfer of supersonic Tu-9 supersonic strategic rocket carriers and three Tu-160 to 95 instead of paying off gas debts. The White Swans happily avoided inevitable destruction and are now part of the Russian nuclear triad.

The first space power did not have any moral right to ineptly curtail its space program - the Mir orbital station functioned, domestic launch vehicles regularly put a "commercial load" into orbit - in the era of rapid development of telecommunications from potential foreign customers there was no end. In ground design bureaus, a new Angara launch vehicle and the Liana electronic intelligence system were being designed.
Scientific research did not stay aside - in 1996, an automatic station Mars-96 went to Mars, unfortunately, the mission failed from the very beginning - the station fell in the Pacific Ocean. Russian cosmonaut Valery Polyakov in 1994-1995 set a record for man’s stay in space after spending a day on board the 438 orbital station.

Orbital station "Mir". Weight - 124 tons. Construction began in 1986, the last module of Nature was docked in April of 1995. In total, for 15 years, 104 astronauts from 12 countries worked in the station.

Considering the above-mentioned facts, all the talk about “20-year-old backwardness” of Russia is at least incorrect — in the “reformed” country, work continued in all areas of science and technology. Well, the ballet, of course, did not go anywhere. A strong Soviet groundwork has helped our Fatherland to adequately overcome the most difficult times.
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  1. iCuD
    iCuD 19 November 2012 08: 45
    +2
    And this is not to say, about stopping the development of new electronics and computer technology .... Yes, and development in the industrial sector ....
    Sad.
    1. beech
      beech 19 November 2012 14: 40
      +3
      touched it, of course it helped, but that painfully sawed a lot, sold, disposed of, taken out of the country, reduced and "reformed". Glory to the USSR-20 years sawing everything, they just can not cut to the end !!!
      1. starshina78
        starshina78 19 November 2012 18: 39
        +1
        The greatest damage to the Navy was caused by Gorbachev. Unfinished boats were destroyed readily up to 90%, new nuclear submarines, which were from one to ten years old, how many ships were sold. The horror is simple! Borya, the drunkard, continued what Gorbachev did not have time to. As a result, we are at the "broken trough". Our shipbuilding industry will never be able to make up for these losses! You can see for yourself how many years they have been building. Even corvettes for several years. In Soviet times, they were driven in series, several pieces a year (Albatrosses are excellent ships).
        1. beech
          beech 19 November 2012 19: 25
          +2
          and it is worth noting that both were not convicted !!! For such a humpbacked business it is necessary to felling in Siberia !!!
        2. Santa Fe
          19 November 2012 20: 25
          0
          Quote: starshina78
          Borya, the drunkard, continued what Gorbachev did not have time to. As a result, we are at the "broken trough"

          Sorry, a new nuclear submarine was built every year under the Bor-drunk.
          1. beech
            beech 20 November 2012 15: 47
            0
            during boron drunk, the fact that he did not have time to saw the humpback was finished!
    2. Priboi
      Priboi 19 November 2012 19: 33
      0
      Why is it sad right now, on the contrary it inspires hope, in such difficult conditions, the power withstood. Have you been to other CIS countries? Everything is pretty sad there ...
  2. mar.tira
    mar.tira 19 November 2012 08: 56
    +11
    I don’t understand one thing? Everyone has already been convinced that the reformers did the country. Chubais himself says insolently that he did it on purpose! And where are the trials of them, where are the courts and sentencing, so that others wouldn’t be so mockery of their people? If this does not happen, we can conclude that they are still in power. And they are still tearing us apart !! ! And the fact that we did not collapse immediately, just speaks of the incredible ability to work, and the vitality of our people! Contrary to popular belief about universal degradation and drunkenness! We will still live !!!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 19 November 2012 10: 19
      +1
      Quote: mar.tira
      And the fact that we did not collapse right away, just speaks about


      It says that the citizens of Chubais were frightened of tearing everything at once, because then, if they had brought the people and the country to the handle, they would have received the next revolution and their overthrow (witness to 93). Therefore, they switched to a smoother regime, put their little man on the throne under the guise of a statesman, and they themselves continue to pull the country, but in a quiet way.
      1. Santa Fe
        19 November 2012 14: 14
        0
        For the period 1991-1999. The Russian Navy included:
        - five READY atomic submarines
        - READY heavy nuclear cruiser
        - READY large anti-submarine ship
        - two READY destroyers (sold to China at the beginning of 2000's)

        Also in the 90's were laid, but unfinished:

        - underwater strategic missile carrier K-535 "Yury Dolgoruky" (still not accepted into the fleet until now)

        - submarine K-139 "Belgorod" (by 1999, the readiness was 80%), the submarine has not been completed yet

        - submarine K-329 "Severodvinsk" (still not accepted into the fleet)

        - submarine K-152 "Nerpa" (completed 12 years later, in 2012 leased to the Indian Navy)

        As a result, in the new century, the Russian Navy did not receive a single nuclear submarine (K-335 Cheetah does not count, it was laid down in 1991 and, in fact, was also built in 90)

        On surface ships the picture is similar: 90s - 5 large surface corrals (one "Peter the Great" in / and 26 thousand tons - the pride of our navy is worth something!). In the new century - not a single large ship, except for 2 corvettes (coastal gunners). The frigate "Gorshkov" in / and 4 thousand tons is under construction for the seventh year and the end of this construction is not in sight.

        In the 90s, the Mir orbital station was actively functioning, the outer module Priroda was docked in 1996. The station was incompetently drowned in 2001.

        We are faced with a paradoxical fact: in the 90s, which is usually called the period of "devastation", our army received a huge number of first-class equipment, large cruises of warships were organized in the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic, its own orbital station was built and operated.

        At present, despite all the screams about the "revival of the army," the Russian Armed Forces do not receive even a fraction of what they had in the 90s. And the most amazing thing is that it is customary to look for all the reasons for today's failures of the Russian military-industrial complex (falling missiles, long-term ships, lost tenders) in the 90s, when ships and space stations were still under construction - they were really being built!
      2. Santa Fe
        19 November 2012 14: 16
        +3
        For the period 1991-1999. The Russian Navy included:
        - five READY atomic submarines
        - READY heavy nuclear missile cruiser
        - READY large anti-submarine ship
        - two READY destroyers (sold to China at the beginning of 2000's)

        As regards surface ships, the picture is similar: the 90s - 5 large surface ships (one "Peter the Great" in / and 26 thousand tons - the strength and pride of our Navy is worth something!). In the new century - not a single large ship, except for 2 corvettes (coastal gunners). The small frigate "Gorshkov" in / and 4 thousand tons is under construction for the seventh year and the end of this construction is not in sight.

        In the 90s, the Mir orbital station was actively operating, the final module was docked in 1996. The station was incompetently drowned in 2001.

        We are faced with a paradoxical fact: in the 90s, which is usually called the period of "devastation", our army received a huge number of first-class equipment, large cruises of warships were organized in the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic, our own orbital station was built and operated.

        At present, despite all the screams about the "revival of the army," the Russian Armed Forces do not receive even a fraction of what they had in the 90s. And the most amazing thing is that it is customary to look for all the reasons for today's failures of the Russian military-industrial complex (falling missiles, long-term ships, lost tenders) in the 90s, when ships and space stations were still under construction - they were really being built!
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 19 November 2012 13: 39
      0
      Yes, it’s high time to send this red goat.
    3. beech
      beech 19 November 2012 14: 43
      0
      work was carried out in all areas of science and technology.
      Stop singing Deferambs to the rulers of the dashing 90, better watch how China has pumped up !!!
    4. Region65
      Region65 19 November 2012 14: 57
      0
      and the Chub Ice Ice Bebu processes will not help, such as it is only an explosive bullet between the eyes and an aspen stake in the liver :)
      1. Santa Fe
        19 November 2012 15: 17
        0
        Quote: Region65
        and Chub Ice Ice Beba processes will not help

        Surprisingly, in the 90 years, the military-industrial complex worked much better than now under Rogozin
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 19 November 2012 20: 59
          +3
          And what is so surprising? The backlogs were created for years at 5-7, the people had not yet had time to scatter, the ships were building up mortgaged from backlogs.
          And now, as you say, under Rogozin, the privatization has been completed, the "non-core" assets have been disposed of, 20 years of idle time, everything that has been eaten up. Do you think such a colossus as the military-industrial complex can be pulled out of the ass in a year? Moreover, with such managers who are now shaking billions out of their skirts.
          1. Santa Fe
            19 November 2012 21: 18
            +2
            Quote: Botanologist
            The people have not yet managed to scatter, the ships - completed mortgaged from the backlogs.

            Not true.
            The K-141 Kursk was laid down in 1992, launched in 1994, entered into the fleet in 1994.
            K-295 Samara. Bookmark 1993 d. Launching 1994 d. Admission to the fleet in the year 1995.
            K-139 "Belgorod" Laid down in 1993. By 1999, 80% readiness. Not completed yet.
            Quote: Botanologist
            20 years of inactivity

            Simple only in recent years, before that everything worked relatively well - the cruiser "Peter the Great" and the orbital station "Mir" testify to this
  3. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 19 November 2012 09: 14
    +2
    I agree that the country is full of problems, but they are not yet total, there is still the opportunity to overcome difficulties, and this requires: consolidation (rallying) of the whole society, the development of nat. ideas, and of course sensible rulers.
  4. urchik
    urchik 19 November 2012 09: 38
    +3
    Little, oh, how little amid the growing power of China and Pins ...
  5. borisst64
    borisst64 19 November 2012 10: 09
    +2
    "Russian cosmonaut Valery Polyakov in 1994-1995 set a record for a man in space, having spent 438 days on board the orbital station."
    At least in Russia, everyone should know his name, and portraits hang in schools.
    1. Region65
      Region65 19 November 2012 14: 59
      0
      in Russia everyone knows Batman and Spiderman :) and no one knows kera any of their heroes ......
  6. Vito
    Vito 19 November 2012 10: 24
    +2
    THANKS OLEG!
    Your article is like a balm for our tormented souls!
    Nothing more to say !!!
  7. Kubatai
    Kubatai 19 November 2012 10: 45
    +5
    Production can be increased, science tightened, etc. all you need is the desire of the country's leadership and time ..
    But there is one big but - all this is not possible without a good educational base, but here everything is very sad ...
    Every time I cringe as I look in the textbooks for children ....
    and the composition of subjects - emphasis on physical education, labor, and English .. Teachers are told 2 not to put .. even if the student is a complete zero ...
    All that was built by inertia from the USSR is, first of all, old cadres!
    1. vyatom
      vyatom 19 November 2012 13: 41
      0
      It seems to be trying. But Putin is clearly weak for this. And there’s nothing to say about Dimasik - the Kupchinsky iPhone player.
    2. Region65
      Region65 19 November 2012 15: 00
      +1
      yes yes ... what is now called textbooks in schools ten years ago would not have been called louder than toilet paper ... moreover, used .....
  8. apro
    apro 19 November 2012 11: 23
    +5
    Having lost their heads over their hair, they do not cry. The loss of Soviet civilization, which died from betrayal, a blow to the future of our country, the destruction of social prospects for each member of society. To restore the full potential of the USSR is not a problem; the main question is why? that today's Russia can offer its citizens something that was not in the USSR only social not justice. That today the Russian Federation is not even a shadow of the USSR is a complete antipode.
  9. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 19 November 2012 11: 40
    +3
    As for China, if we had a good part of the infrastructure factories, as it were in Belarus, though old ones were preserved, there would be something to upgrade, although sometimes it’s cheaper to build a new one. I see a lot of Belorussian goods on the shelves, it’s also necessary to stick more factories with us and then the WTO will be written only in Cyrillic ..
    I’m silent about education, reform is like a sickle for ......
  10. toguns
    toguns 19 November 2012 14: 29
    +2
    wassat it’s not a straightforward article, but science fiction, everything we had with the military-industrial complex and an army of 90 is good, and so on.
    By the way, I noticed that recently mass creation in this spirit has begun, the question is why should we deceive ourselves ???
    actually for some points
    Ka-50 Black Shark - did not go in series.
    Ka-52 "Alligator" - we promise to 2020
    Su-30 we are building much more neighbors than ourselves.
    t-90 can be safely considered an Indian tank quantitatively they have more.
    about the fleet, do not put pressure on the sick mazol, everything is very bad there, from surface ships and submarines to problems with naval aviation.
    ... and I can still recall the su-47 black golden eagle and the black eagle promised to us by megotank and much more
    ps
    as they say, let go from heaven to earth, at the moment it is necessary to solve urgently urgent problems, and not sing "all is well beautiful marquise"
    1. Santa Fe
      19 November 2012 14: 34
      +1
      Quote: toguns
      Ka-52 "Alligator" - we promise to 2020
      Su-30 we are building much more neighbors than ourselves.
      t-90 can be safely considered an Indian tank quantitatively they have more.
      about the fleet, do not put pressure on the sick mazol, everything is very bad there, from surface ships and submarines to problems with naval aviation.


      But as you may have noticed, these are the problems of today.
      In 90, ships were built, space stations flew ... these are the facts and you can’t argue with them
      1. toguns
        toguns 19 November 2012 15: 35
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        But as you may have noticed, these are the problems of today.
        Ships were built in the 90s, space stations flew ... such are the facts and there is no dispute with them

        belay that is, you want to say that everything was fine in 90?
        as it seems to me, claiming this, you are either lying openly or not knowing well what happened then.
        the simplest question is: why is the availability of military equipment in our country negligible compared to those exported to neighboring countries.
        moreover, we are not escorting junk to them, but what even we don’t have ????
        1. Santa Fe
          19 November 2012 15: 36
          0
          Quote: toguns
          that is, you want to say that everything was fine in 90?

          Learn to pose questions correctly.
          Good compared to what?
          1. toguns
            toguns 19 November 2012 16: 25
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Learn to pose questions correctly.
            Good compared to what?

            sad don’t be offended, but learn to read correctly, the question was asked below, and this was just my surprise at your naivety :)
            so be rephrasing the question if you do not understand:
            why the latest models of military equipment did not arrive in 90, however, as now in our troops, but went and are going to an escort ???
            1. Santa Fe
              19 November 2012 20: 08
              +1
              Quote: toguns
              why the latest models of military equipment did not arrive in 90, however, as now in our troops, but went and are going to an escort ???


              The export of weapons has always been, but in the 90s there were no special problems because of this - the domestic Armed Forces received a certain amount of new equipment: after all, 5 nuclear submarines and a nuclear cruiser speak for themselves. The real collapse came in the 2000s - despite all the statements about "getting up from his knees," on the contrary, equipment stopped coming. If something is being built, it is only for export.
              1. toguns
                toguns 19 November 2012 20: 39
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                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                The export of weapons has always been, but in the 90s there were no special problems because of this - the domestic Armed Forces received a certain amount of new equipment: after all, 5 nuclear submarines and a nuclear cruiser speak for themselves. The real collapse came in the 2000s - despite all the statements about "getting up from his knees," on the contrary, equipment stopped coming. If something is being built, it is only for export.

                what nuclear cruiser ???
                If this is Peter the Great, then he began to be built in the year 1986 :)
                with aplams, probably the same thing ... nobody canceled the USSR
                question who are you for fools, I apologize for the expression, hold ???
                1. Santa Fe
                  19 November 2012 21: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: toguns
                  If this is Peter the Great, then he began to be built in the year 1986 :)

                  It was honestly completed by 1998. The displacement of Peter 26 thousand tons.

                  When did you start building the frigate Gorshkov? In 2006, the transfer to the fleet is scheduled for 2013. B / and "Gorshkov" 4 thousand tons.
                  Quote: toguns
                  probably the same with apls

                  The K-141 Kursk was laid down in 1992, launched in 1994, entered into the fleet in 1994.
                  K-150 “Tomsk”: laying - August 1991, launching - July 1996, adoption of March 17 1997
                  K-295 Samara. Bookmark 1993 d. Launching 1994 d. Admission to the fleet in the year 1995.
                  K-419 Kuzbass. Bookmark 1991. Launch: 1992. Admission to the fleet in 1992.
                  1. toguns
                    toguns 19 November 2012 21: 44
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                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    It was honestly completed by 1998. The displacement of Peter 26 thousand tons.

                    that is, you want to say Peter 1 did not begin with the USSR but with whom ???
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    In 2006, the transfer to the fleet is scheduled for 2013. B / and "Gorshkov" 4 thousand tons.

                    why go so far, let's remember Nerpa and Yuri Dolgostoroev 15 years 16 years respectively :)
                    ps
                    and where is 5 taya apl ???
                    1. Santa Fe
                      20 November 2012 11: 57
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                      Quote: toguns
                      Oh, you want to say Peter 1 began to be done not with the USSR but with whom ???

                      The unfinished skeleton of the cruiser was inherited from the USSR, Peter was honestly completed to 1998
                      Quote: toguns
                      let's remember Nerpa and Yuri Dolgostoroev 15 years 16 years respectively

                      The unfinished skeleton of Nerpa and Yuri inherited from the 90's. Nerpa was somehow completed on Indian funds, Yuri still not finished

                      That's the whole difference is visible.
                      Quote: toguns
                      and where is 5 taya apl ???

                      K-157 "Vepr" (1995)
                      You can even add the sixth one - K-335 "Cheetah" - was built all 90s, entered service in 2001.
      2. Alexander 1958
        Alexander 1958 19 November 2012 17: 46
        +1
        For
        SWEET_SIXTEEN
        It seems to me, if you add to the information set out in your comment, then everything that you write about began to build,. learned to fly and developed, and the Mir station was launched during the Soviet era - this is really so! But what does the EBN7 regime have to do with this? Maybe their "merit" is. that they had not yet learned to steal then? so everything was still flying, floating, building and launching ...
        Alexander 1958
        1. Santa Fe
          19 November 2012 20: 22
          +1
          Quote: Alexander 1958
          then everything that you write about began to be built ... and started in the days of the USSR

          5 boats, including Kursk, began to be built and were built precisely in the 90 years.
          Quote: Alexander 1958
          But what does EBN7 have to do with this?

          At EBN were honestly completed the heavy nuclear cruiser, the Mir orbital station, the Kuznetsov aircraft carrier received their 26 Su-33s, etc.
          Another boat - K-139 "Belgorod" in 1999 had a readiness of 80%. Do you know what's the funniest thing? Not completed yet.
          Quote: Alexander 1958
          learned to fly and developed .... during the USSR

          Also past. Under EBN, all ships that still cannot be completed and transferred to the fleet, including new types of nuclear submarines (RPKSN pr.955 Borey, MPLARK pr.855 Ash), were developed and laid down at the EBN.
          Quote: Alexander 1958
          Maybe their "merit" is. that they had not yet learned to steal then?

          You are obviously right. The 90s, which are presented as "complete devastation", were not such in fact. Complete devastation came later and continues to this day under the brave cries of "the revival of the Armed Forces"
          1. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 20 November 2012 11: 49
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            For
            SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Good afternoon! The fact that you say everything is so, and not so ...
            The MIR station was launched in 1986, recessed in 2001. And what does the EBN have to do with it?
            Kursk was laid down in 1992, commissioned in 1994, like you're right, all this during the EBN, but you forget that the design of the boat began even during the Union, equipment reactors, missiles, also owls. development
            All that is being done in Russia and Ukraine is a hurt for the USSR and this is only a matter of time when it will end.
            One can argue when it was worse with EBN or GDP, but what is beyond doubt, all comparisons are made against the backdrop of the USSR.
            Alexander 1958
  11. baton140105
    baton140105 19 November 2012 14: 32
    0
    this is because the Old Man, with a capital letter, did not let his republic plunder.
  12. nsws3
    nsws3 19 November 2012 16: 39
    +2
    The family of EBN is needed as long ago at Genghis Khan to do under the spine and followers, heirs, too, so that others would not be disastrous to destroy the country !!!
  13. bart74
    bart74 19 November 2012 17: 18
    +1
    There is something to be proud of! There is something to return to!
  14. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 19 November 2012 17: 59
    0
    It's a shame. The second power in the world in terms of industrial development, the traitors Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their associates, brought to the level of a third-rate state.
    Now we are really - "Upper Volta with rockets", as they said when we were in the USSR.
    It seems that this is not the limit with the current leadership of the state.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 19 November 2012 21: 05
      +1
      Now we are really - "Upper Volta with rockets",

      Russia's GDP in 1999 was equal to $ 177 billion or $ 1210 per capita. GDP at PPP (purchasing power parity) was approximately $ 887 billion (or $ 6060 per capita). In 2010, compared to 1999, GDP increased 8,34 times and amounted to $ 1477 billion (or $ 10400 per capita).
      Russia's PPP GDP (compare IMF, WB and CIA data) was approximately $ 2,22 trillion (6 place in the world - between Germany and Great Britain).
      The Russian GDP per capita at PPP in 2010 was $ 15807, and by this indicator Russia was at 51 in the world (between Lithuania and Argentina). The average GDP per capita in the world was $ 10725.

      Gold reserves
      At the end of February of 2011, the gold reserves of Russia amounted to $ 487 billion (3 place in the world), which is 38,6 times higher than the level of 1999 of the year (then it was $ 12,6 billion). For comparison: Brazil was at the 5 place - $ 290,9 billion; at 6 place India - $ 284,1 billion; Egypt had $ 35,7 billion
      Russia today has about the same gold reserves as the WHOLE EU! The ECB now has 367,4 billion euros of foreign exchange reserves (or about $ 500 billion).

      State External Debt
      In 1999, the external State Debt of Russia amounted to $ 138 billion or 78% of GDP. By January 2010, it decreased 3,4 times and now equals $ 40,7 billion or 2,75% of GDP. For comparison: the US External Debt today is 343 times higher than Russia's external public debt and is already more than $ 14 TRILLION, or almost 100% of US GDP!
      1. Santa Fe
        19 November 2012 21: 21
        0
        It's all nonsense.
        Better tell me how many submarines were built in the new century.
        Or at least completed from the backlogs of the 90's ...
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 19 November 2012 23: 02
          +1
          2 Borea on the running. 1 Ash. Something like this.
          It seems that they undertook to finish building Belgorod, and 2 Borea and 2 Yasenya were laid.
          As for the fact that under EBN everything was so wonderful - I doubt it. It's just that the military-industrial complex was working by inertia, people did not believe that they would be thrown. And they were thrown. The salary was not received for a year at the height of "shock therapy".
          Just VPK, like any complex organism, does not die instantly all. Even without oxygen, it stirs for some time.
          These s.u.c.i. from the State Department they very much hoped that the military-industrial complex would die, but he nevertheless got out. I hope we get on our feet with a karaoke. Although it hurts, we get up.
  15. Arct
    Arct 19 November 2012 23: 07
    +1
    It is hard to explain anything to a person who is not able to perceive anything but his opinion. The above ships you built due to backlogs created in the USSR. And in the new century, practically nothing was built from the backlogs of the 90s (with a few exceptions), only because the backlogs, as such, were not made. But since you are proving something, it’s like throwing beads, and accordingly, you are not capable of understanding anything from the explanations that are offered in the posts above. Then stay with your erroneous opinion - let this be your headache)
  16. 8 company
    8 company 20 November 2012 00: 26
    +1
    Do not get hung up on the Soviet period. Russia existed until 1917, and achieved considerable success. For example, under Catherine, the country's population grew one and a half times, the state apparatus was modernized, vast territories were recaptured, the army was invincible, and Russia became the only superpower in the world.
  17. Stalinets
    Stalinets 20 November 2012 03: 25
    0
    It's nice to read about the backlogs ... But how much technology has gone west ... It's not just about how many ... and not so much .. By the way, the station to Mars was drowned. That's the technology. Nevertheless, God forbid! !