Adviser to the head of the DPR: APU continues to cling to Bakhmut, as other cities are not ready for defense

The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to cling to Bakhmut (Artemovsk), since this city has been turned into a real fortified area and it is very difficult to take it. Other settlements located on the territory so far controlled by Kyiv are much worse fortified. This was stated by adviser to the acting head of the DPR, Yan Gagin.

According to Gagin, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to hold on to Bakhmut in order to gain at least a little time to strengthen the cities located behind it. The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not plan to retreat, the created line of defense and the supply of western weapons were supposed to hold back the Russian troops and prevent them from advancing further. But the defense is bursting at the seams, and there is no normal line of defense behind.

They didn't think they would have to retreat. And if they retreat, for example, to Chasov Yar - they have already withdrawn the command there - then I can say that this city is not ready for our offensive now

- leads TASS words of the adviser to the head of the DPR.

According to Donetsk intelligence, at present, only privates and lower-level commanders are in Bakhmut (Artemovsk), all the rest of the command and authorities of the city have long been evacuated. The fighting is going on both in the city itself and around it, the assault squads of the Wagner PMC are trying to encircle it. At the same time, as Yevgeny Prigozhin, curator of the Orchestra, said, there is no immediate task to take Artemovsk in the near future. According to him, the more reserves Kyiv introduces, the more losses the Armed Forces will have.

Meanwhile, in Kyiv they are already thinking about surrendering Artemovsk, now even Zelensky would start talking about it. In an interview with the Italian press, he said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not defend the city "to the last soldier." True, all this is presented as a cunning plan, according to which, while the Russians are fighting against the defense of Bakhmut, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are calmly preparing a counterattack behind their backs.

Comments

[FoBoss_VM]

I'm even afraid to imagine how Slavyansk / Kramotorsk will be taken .... There they built the PPC cheers, bakhmut is flowers, they will completely take it only by the summer. Half a year on bukhmut. Slavyansk / Kramotorsk will probably take the whole year

[Quote Lavrov]

But these are only regional centers - there are really large cities ahead, which will have to be liberated.
In reality, before Nikolaev, Odessa, Kiev, Kharkov, etc., many things will need to be taken into account and changed. Because, based on the current realities, the liberation of large cities will be a really difficult, but certainly doable task.

[APASUS]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

But these are only regional centers - there are really large cities ahead, which will have to be liberated.
In reality, before Nikolaev, Odessa, Kiev, Kharkov, etc., many things will need to be taken into account and changed.

In fact, they should be besieged like Mariupol. Surround and filter the entire entrance and exit. To fight in an environment, you must first of all be prepared psychologically. And this is not a civilian to shoot from around the corner

[Leonidych]

The Slavyansko-Kramatorsk agglomeration is 35-40 km of continuous urban development with skyscrapers and the private sector, plus a huge number of industrial productions. Ukrainians can stay there for years. Only the complete encirclement of this area gives a chance to take everything quickly. months for 3-4.

[topol717]

Why fast?
Where are you in a hurry?
Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment

[zloybond]

In fact of the matter. Our troops are pinned down by storm, instead of enveloping and moving on. The rest is strangled and burned with napalm in a cauldron. while the ballers at this time are preparing the following lines and reserves for defense. periodically throw up reinforcements to Bakhmut so that ours do not relax and continue the endless assault.

[APASUS]

Quote: leonidych

The Slavyansko-Kramatorsk agglomeration is 35-40 km of continuous urban development with skyscrapers and the private sector, plus a huge number of industrial productions. Ukrainians can stay there for years

For a day, a soldier needs 3 liters of water (roughly), 2-3 kg of food, 500 rounds of ammunition.
Multiply by 1000 people and by a year. There should be only warehouses, not a city, they say that there are 40 thousand bayonets from the Armed Forces of Ukraine

[Zhopir Tumanov]

completely take it only by the summer.

In summer? Maximum March-April, as Prigogine said.

[Stirbjorn]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to cling to Bakhmut (Artemovsk), since this city has been turned into a real fortified area and it is very difficult to take it. Other settlements located on the territory so far controlled by Kyiv are much worse fortified. This was stated by adviser to the acting head of the DPR, Yan Gagin.

Well then, it’s wiser to take those others, and not hammer into this one. The adviser has some strange logic.

[igorbrsv]

If there are several tens of thousands of vushniks, as stated, then it cannot be bypassed. What kind of grouping is needed to keep them under siege. And from the side of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, as well as Konstantinovka, flank attacks are also possible. Since the only right way is now operating on this sector of the front

[Saburov_Alexander53]

it is wiser to take those others, and not hammer into this one.
In Artemovsk, you can already thresh with might and main with any artillery, there is not a single whole building left and there is practically no civilian population. And if we have a superiority in artillery and supply of troops, then I understand Prigozhin's forecast. The local meat grinder is in our favor.

[DefenderofTruth]

It will take another year for the NVO grouping to storm head-on and take the Krasny Liman fortified area - Slavyansk - Kramatorsk - Druzhkovka - Konstantinovka.
Moreover, Kramatorsk is much larger than Artemovsk.

And the Russian Federation does not have any reserves to cover this fortified area surrounded by converging strikes in the direction of Izyum - Lozovaya - Pavlograd - Pologi, as the Red Army did with the Germans near Stalingrad in 1943 (Operation Uranus) and in Belarus in 1944.

Putin and his generals lack strategic thinking and the courage to see that in such a theater of operations with thousands of kilometers of fronts, the 300-strong expeditionary force of the Russian Federation is nothing, that for a successful offensive in several directions at once, it is necessary to have at least one to two million personnel.
And in order to have them, the entire economy of the Russian Federation should work for defense last year, to provide the army with everything necessary, state, direct directive planning, control and the most severe responsibility for failure to fulfill the plan, including the imprisonment of those responsible for disrupting the plan, of course.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

the economy of the Russian Federation should work for defense last year,
Six months ago, I could have objected, but now I have to agree. Kurginyan in the last "Right to Know" said this well.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from DefenderofTruth

Moreover, Kramatorsk is much larger than Artemovsk.

And how many troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are located in Kramatorsk, Liman, Slavyansk, and how many additional reserves can the enemy place there? This also needs to be taken into account.

[glock-17]

For state planning, it is necessary to abandon oligarchic capitalism and return to the socialist model. It is necessary to clean up the fifth column, restore the Cheka and the institute of commissars. The army should become popular, not private. I don't see how this is possible now.

[Lako]

Well, it was all in the 41st. And the state planning and the Cheka with repressions, even over the edge and there were enough commissars. And everyone knows what the beginning of the war was like. I'm not talking about the "famous" campaign of Tukhachevsky against Warsaw in 1921 and the Finnish company.

[75 Sergey]

How about bypassing it?
Let them sit around
But this requires resources and strength.

[Smoked]

Initially, you need a head on your shoulders to consider the possibility of a military operation on the territory of such a huge state with the available forces and means.

[DefenderofTruth]

Artyomovsk cannot be bypassed - the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Krasny Liman fortified area - Slavyansk - Kramatorsk - Druzhkovka - Konstantinovka are so heaped that it will not seem enough.
The only way to get around is to make a wide coverage of the Donetsk region in the direction of Izyum - Lozovaya - Pavlograd - Pologi, but for this, the Russian Federation, which is not mobilized even after a year of war, has neither the strength nor the means, and most importantly, the leadership of the Russian Federation does not have the political will to defeat the enemy in this war, there is only a burning desire to crawl away as soon as possible, conclude a new temporary agreement like Minsk-3, give the enemy, Ukraine a new respite for rearmament, replenish losses, and in two or three years - a new, much more bloody and difficult for Russia war with Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from DefenderofTruth

and in two or three years - a new, much more bloody and difficult for Russia war with Ukraine.

Well, not two or three, but in five years, it will be a "wild meat grinder."

[Plate]

There were originally two options. Either an agreement with the West, because it is impossible to completely defeat it in a conventional conflict, or a transition to nuclear weapons with further unclear (different models predict different) consequences.
It is clear that everything is being done for the sake of an agreement with the West. We must explain to him that by fighting with us he will lose more than if he yields what we ask. Again. It is impossible to win completely here under any so-called. "political will". To understand this, it is enough to look at the volume of the EU + US economy and compare it with that of Russia.

[DenD]

Interesting to read some. Explain how a grouping of 50t will surround, hold a grouping equal in composition? This is not counting the possibility of release from the outside. And when the "brilliant green" goes, there will be few even 100 thousand soldiers.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote from dend

Explain how a grouping of 50t will surround, hold a grouping equal in composition? This is not counting the possibility of release from the outside. And when the "brilliant green" goes, there will be few even 100 thousand soldiers.

in parts, as they did at all times

[alexey_444]

Everything has been ready for a long time already, what difference does it make where to fight in Kramatorsk or in Bakhmut, this is not Kyiv, there is nothing left of the same marinka, but they are fighting the same. Our main jamb lacks means of destruction, those that are slow (the orcs have time to change positions or hide) and not accurate. And until nothing changes (and nothing changes, you need to spend all the money on the war, and we don’t have the West where they put a big bolt on the protesters, our local princes will immediately spoil and run to surrender to the West so that they don’t take away the loot) we will be every take the village for a month, do not send our children, fathers, relatives to the slaughter. Even our drunken generals understand this.

[ratoborets]

Artemovsk is a town with a population of 70 thousand people. Kramatorsk agglomeration (together with Slavyansk and other cities) stretched for tens of kilometers with a population of over 400 thousand people.
With the current approach and the current pace, it will be very, very difficult and long to take the Kramatorsk agglomeration.

In a good way, it would be to cut off the entire Left Bank along the Dnieper, taking the roads from Kyiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye under fire control. Then the groupings of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass and near Kharkov will be blown away in 2-3 months, because without supplies:
- start to run out of ammo
- starting to run out of fuel
- it will be possible to methodically, slowly knock out air defense, or use decoys, cheap drones, etc. to deplete air defense, since supplies from the West will be cut off. After that, massive bombing of the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for weeks until they surrender or go to Bandera.

For cutting along the Dnieper, huge resources are needed, both human and technical.

[Plate]

If the rest of the n \ n, except for Bakhmut, are not ready for defense, then why are the troops advancing on Bakhmut, and not on those very unprepared cities? Judging by the map, the road network is dense enough to allow for active maneuvering of forces.

[Arkadich]

The adviser said something.
Any city is almost a ready-made fortified point, especially if you do not bother about its inhabitants. Any house with a basement is a ready-made pillbox, just make loopholes, or a warehouse. High-rise, ready point for observation, adjustment, sniper or ATGM. In the city, conditionally, a native with a rifle, knowing the area, can give odds to a professional.

[Plate]

If you do not bother about the inhabitants, then any house for the soldiers defending it is a potential grave. The density of troops in the city is higher, and therefore you can simply level everything. You will kill someone. It's not in the field where you have to look for targets.

[Arkadich]

Sweat, make a grave out of every house. There are a lot of examples even with overwhelming firepower, the infantry skidded in the settlements of the Caucasus, Mariupol, Bakhmut, you can continue for a long time, take the same Stalingrad.

[Plate]

We didn't give a damn about the residents, did we? It's all just a simulation in our minds... So napalm and gas the bombed-out cities! Nobody will survive! And those who survive will themselves throw themselves under the bullets of the incoming troops in order to end their torment.

[Arkadich]

Napalm is aviation, which, with the current concentration of air defense systems, is doom for it. I don't even want to talk about gases.
Well, a thermobaric weapon, even throwing away its shortcomings, will not pull one either.