Ramzan Kadyrov announced his intention to compete with Yevgeny Prigozhin by creating his own PMC

Ramzan Kadyrov intends to create his own PMC, the head of Chechnya wrote about plans to become a competitor to Yevgeny Prigozhin after the end of public service in his TG channel today.

According to the Chechen leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin managed to create a truly effective military formation, which has already proven its professionalism during a special military operation. At the same time, the "musicians" attack aircraft perform extremely hard work and always achieve their goals in any situation.

I never cease to rejoice at the successes of the Wagner PMC in the NVO zone. It would seem that a private military company, but managed to achieve very impressive results. (...) Despite all the difficulties, "Wagner" achieves its goal in any situation

- said Kadyrov.

The head of Chechnya noted that the Akhmat special forces units are fighting alongside the Wagner PMC groups and are best able to tell about the fighters of the "musicians" who are doing their military duty. Kadyrov emphasized that by their actions, the "Wagnerites" proved their professionalism and drew the final line under the disputes about the need for PMCs in our country.

Without any doubt, such professional formations are needed and necessary. Therefore, when I finish my work in the civil service, I seriously plan to compete with our dear BROTHER Evgeny Prigozhin and create a private military company

- said Kadyrov.

Earlier, Yevgeny Prigozhin said that PMC "Wagner" has nothing to do with the Russian Ministry of Defense, it is a private army operating around the world.

Comments

[Zagrebun]

Pull, pull, stretch the RF piece by piece. I take the statement this way.

[Shurik70]

Kadyrov will definitely find those who want to join his PMC.
And it may very well be that he will be allowed to—Kadyrov has never let anyone doubt his loyalty to Moscow.
The question is where to finance this unit.
Wagner's funding is shrouded in mystery. Only data for 2018 surfaced in the media (and it is not known whether these data are reliable) - the number of 3,6 thousand, 17 billion rubles were spent.
But, most likely, the group was financed before (and now it is definitely financed) from the state budget of Russia.
A couple of such PMCs, perhaps even useful to have. For competition.
But it's no longer worth it. The budget is not rubber.

[igorbrsv]

Who orders the music and finances. That's why the idea of ​​Kadyrov annoys me. One pleases that if something goes wrong, then Wagner is

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: igorbrsv

Who orders the music and finances. That's why the idea of ​​Kadyrov annoys me. One pleases that if something goes wrong, then Wagner is

Gazprom is creating its own PMC, Kadyrov is creating it, tomorrow Abramovich will create it, after tomorrow Khodarkovsky, but it's nothing Wagner.))) Do you influence Prigozhin's decisions in some way? The first commentator correctly said that they are preparing to tear the Russian Federation to pieces, if there is such an opportunity.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Gazprom is creating its own PMC, Kadyrov is creating it, tomorrow Abramovich will create it, after tomorrow Khodarkovsky, but this is nothing Wagner.)))

Malofeev with Borodai in the process - a kind of Russian Volunteer Corps ... before that, the Russian Orthodox Church hinted - "St. Andrew's Cross". So the process is on

[alekseykabanets]

Hello Michael!

Quote: Stirbjorn

Malofeev with Borodai in the process - a kind of Russian Volunteer Corps ... before that, the Russian Orthodox Church hinted - "St. Andrew's Cross". So the process is on

The capitalists are preparing to defend their capital by all available means, even if it means tearing Russia to pieces. I listen to Potapenko from time to time, lately he has begun to have tantrums that all the Reds will be taken away from him, frankly speaking, I don’t see the prerequisites for this yet. And yes, it's all worrying.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Malofeev with Borodai in the process - a kind of Russian Volunteer Corps ... before that, the Russian Orthodox Church hinted - "St. Andrew's Cross". So the process is on

They won’t let you tear up ... only the “musicians” work all over the world, and the rest of the above-mentioned want to sit down on the state budget within the country. Well, why are they needed?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Canecat

They won't let go...

Who won't give it?

Quote: Canecat

that's just the "musicians" work all over the world, and the rest of the aforementioned want to sit down on the state budget within the country. Well, why are they needed?

All mercenaries work exclusively for money, for the one who pays the most. Therefore, none are needed.

[Egeny]

Ramzan Kadyrov announced his intention to ... create his own PMC

I've been reading your comments here, guys, ... damn it, "confusion and vacillation."
Sorry, I'll put in my "five cents" without a queue.)
At the moment, the "Kadyrov regiment" and 3 battalions are working in the Donbass...plus, minus...there are nuances.
After the SVO, they have nothing to do, but they are trained and equipped, and there will also be "volunteers" for the army.
In the article, I read only the title, but I know the topic.
Private PMCs operate all over the world... for money.)

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

The first commentator correctly said that they are preparing to tear the Russian Federation to pieces, if there is such an opportunity.

This is the point.

Earlier, Yevgeny Prigozhin said that PMC "Wagner" has nothing to do with the Russian Ministry of Defense, this private armyoperating throughout the world.

That is, the army fighting for the customer's loot.
It is logical to ask the question: what if the dough turns out to be more for someone who wants to hire for the war against Russia?
What then?
It is necessary to prohibit legislation and disband such "private armies" if we want to save the country.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

It is necessary to prohibit legislation and disband such "private armies" if we want to save the country.

Unfortunately, we cannot legally influence the authorities.

[Dart2027]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

It is logical to ask the question: what if the dough turns out to be more for someone who wants to hire for the war against Russia?

The United States has many times more dough than Russia. On which side are the Wagnerites fighting?

[cold wind]

Quote: Dart2027

The United States has many times more dough than Russia. On which side are the Wagnerites fighting?

This war is not beneficial for Russia, the main beneficiary of it is the United States. Accordingly, the conclusion is obvious on whose side both sides are fighting.

[Dart2027]

Quote from cold wind

This war is not beneficial for Russia, the main beneficiary of it is the United States.

That is, it was necessary to surrender to Ukraine? Change your methodology.

[cold wind]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, it was necessary to surrender to Ukraine?

Are you delirious? Ukraine attacked us? It was possible to continue doing nothing, as they have been doing in Korea for over 70 years.

[Dart2027]

Quote from cold wind

Are you delirious? Ukraine attacked us?

In 2014 year.

[Arigin]

They did not want to do nothing for 70 years under sanctions.

[flyer]

Nobody needs to give up. We need to balance our forces with those of the enemy. Protection of geopolitical interests takes place when there is order inside the country. And what kind of "order" within the country is already visible to everyone.

[VladMirU]

I am for another country, without PMCs. I am for the Red Army (Russian Army).

[Diger]

Kadyrov has never let anyone doubt his loyalty to Moscow.

You just do not know.

A couple of such PMCs, perhaps even useful to have. For competition.

Do you want to add a couple more to the genie out of the bottle?
These "genies" are evil, unkind.
And it won't lead to good.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote from Digger

Do you want to add a couple more to the genie out of the bottle?
These "genies" are evil, unkind.

And the Ministry of Defense are kind, white and fluffy? For a year now, snot has been shaking their fist, they are afraid to make the right decision, they can’t even finish off the Skakuas aviation in a year. Clowns are pomaded. The people buy everything for the army with their money, but they hid and only report to the Konashenkov head.
Now they decided to slowly substitute the musicians.
Here is an opinion: https://t.me/playcivilization/445

[Diger]

I don't know if they are "white and fluffy".
It does not matter.
1. The army is a section of society. From a year ago and deeper, you clapped, to calluses, tank biathlons, Kozhugetovich and his team and window dressing.
2. monopoly on violence. Weber: The well-defined sign of the state is to be found in the means it uses. Such a means, the legitimate use of which is recognized only for the state, is violence (police, army).
3. Entering the ranks of the Armed Forces, they take an oath
The text of the Military Oath was approved by the Federal Law of 1998 “On Military Duty and Military Service” No. 53-FZ of February 11, 1993.
Before taking the Military Oath:

• a serviceman cannot be involved in the performance of combat missions, as well as tasks during the introduction of a state of emergency and in conditions of armed conflicts;
• military personnel may not be assigned weapons and military equipment;
• a disciplinary sanction in the form of arrest may not be imposed on a serviceman.

4. Some PMCs (especially mercenarism is prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation and the punishment is clearly in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) cannot receive money from the budget, they cannot fulfill state orders.
You are simply provoking a civil war and private armies that will tear the country into their own fiefdoms. All this was, even before the unification of Rus', and did not lead to anything good, but only led to 200 years of Yoke.

Quote: LIONnvrsk

The people buy everything for the army with their money, but they hid and only report to the Konashenko head.

I was able to. Not only was no one shot, but they didn’t even go to clear snow in Chukotka.
But PMCs will not help in correcting this situation.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote from Digger

From a year ago and deeper, you clapped, to calluses, tank biathlons, Kozhugetovich and his team and window dressing.

Invent, my friend, there was no such thing. And I watched biathlon once, about 20 minutes in total. I spat later, when almost everyone could not immediately hit the "tank" target from a distance of 1700m. And these are the best sent to the competition.

Quote from Digger

I don't know if they are "white and fluffy".
It does not matter.

How does it not matter what MO we have ?!
My opinion about MO coincides with the quote already repeatedly quoted;
"it's hard to wait for some great decisions and ingenious strategies from an organization in whose service cafe there are busty and big-ass twenty-five-year-old s̶o̶s̶a̶l̶b̶sch̶i̶ts̶y̶ assistants with dogs in redicule on stilettos and haute couture clothes with huge stars on shoulder straps, who arrived at the service with a slight delay on a beautiful Porsche , take a bite of miso soup, washed down with a latte macchiato from a barista.
That's when this huge building smells of borscht and cutlets, and on the third there will be a dried fruit compote that Baba Klava will pour - this will be the first step towards great changes in our worker-peasant red army. "(c) Fighterbomber

Quote from Digger

But PMCs will not help in correcting this situation.

And I didn't call for it. When I spoke out a few days earlier that Prigogine, against the background of the victories of the musicians, was already starting to skid, he fancied himself great, then they threw a bunch of minuses at me.
I am in favor of, as you put it, that it is time to "shoot" or at least "remove the snow" to force the responsible officials who brought the army to such a state.

[Diger]

Well, “you” - I didn’t specifically mean you, but the people, in general.
Biathlon and there is nothing to watch, it is clear that this is a theater for the electorate.
There is nothing to say about women of "easy virtue" in general's uniforms.
As someone wrote below:
Russia does not need to create a PMC, but a Cheka

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote from Digger

Well, “you” - I didn’t specifically mean you, but the people, in general.

It's strange ... If you didn't mean me, then why should I reproach me, classifying me as a member of some group you don't like?
"Because everyone around is evil, and they are to blame for everything ... and nothing to do with you ..." (c) k / f Speakerphone

[Argon]

Zipso at work? Urgently request instructions to the center. And then write nonsense

[Terenin]

Quote: Shurik70

The question is where to finance this unit.
Wagner's funding is shrouded in mystery.

Everything is just terrifying. Financing is carried out by the economic agency with which (and for what amount) the PMC will conclude agreement to provide their security services.

[Quote Lavrov]

Governor (even ex (where does the money come from, Zin?!))!!! creates a PRIVATE MILITARY company!!! Which do not exist according to the laws of the Russian Federation !!!
Can the governor of Sakhalin have his own PMC?
And the mayor of Nizhny Tagil??? And how will all this army interact with the Moscow Region ??? Where are the weapons, equipment from ??? That is, we take it from the Moscow Region and give it to PMCs ?? I am silent about the law in general in this case !!

Everyone who rejoices - just imagine for a second. Putin will not be able to govern the country and control groups (he is many years old, but a person does not get younger. Against nature - nothing). And one day we will find ourselves in a country, and in which the oligarchs have their own PMCs, in Chechnya (forgotten the lessons of history?) - their own PMCs, and so on !!!! Do you even for a second imagine everything like this can lead to?

Only the state should have the right to use armed force! No exes, oligarchs, mayors, etc. Otherwise, the 90s may seem like child's play with their gangs.

[AdAstra]

Well, what are you pumping like that, he wrote to you "devoted", though it will be interesting to read such people later, when his devotion will decrease in proportion to the decrease in money from moskvabad, and so, yes, "devoted"

[Timur_kz]

Agree. But in fairness it is worth recognizing that there were always such "PMCs" in Chechnya: the battalion East, North, now Akhmat ... and their loyalty is understandable. Another question is that PMC Wagner is no longer just motorized rifles, it has its own artillery, and even aviation. I do not think that Chechnya will have the same opportunity. Vaughn Prigogine was squeezed by the Moscow Region with ammunition and convicts, and immediately the problems started.

[AA17]

Under the dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie, all Armies are "bourgeois": let it be the army of the RF Ministry of Defense or the army of some kind of PMC. The essence of these armies is to protect the interests of those who pay them. The influence of the "simple" people on this bunch is not visible, it is negligible.

[gsev]

Quote: Timur_kz

. I do not think that Chechnya will have the same opportunity.

Kadyrov needs to attend to the creation of a design school in Chechnya capable of producing drones and automation. Otherwise, his PMCs will be forced to put a special forces company in battle for the opportunity for the spotter to look at enemy positions for a couple of minutes from a convenient observation point instead of hanging a trio of reconnaissance drones over enemy positions. That's what the plot of the film "Best in Hell" was about.

[Quote Lavrov]

I advise you to watch the review of Klim Zhukov and Remy Meisner on this film. It says so that there is nothing to add.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

review by Klim Zhukov

KZh has only the USSR in his head, when he talks about some swords and helmets, then everything is fine, but when it’s about something related to politics, then I’m transported like a child.

[Alex777]

Like it or not, but before the SVO the Orchestra worked only abroad.
And as for me, PMCs are needed to work abroad.
When the SVO ends, there will be no place for PMCs in Russia again.
And as for PMC Gazprom - it has been around for 20 years already.

[tralflot1832]

Can we go to Ramzan Akhmatovich? As pensioners, to the Altona district in Hamburg as burgomasters? Will you divide the hundred meters by even and odd, or is it all the same England is more fun, I like whiskey more than yuvel.

[Alex777]

Quote: tralflot1832

Can we go to Ramzan Akhmatovich?

I see a special niche in Ramzan Akhmatovich.
This is a Muslim PMC. Unique.
I'm not there. With all due respect.
Yes, and you will not get accustomed to whiskey.
Its intended focus is the Middle East. Previously, like the National Guard, his people have already worked there. PMCs have more opportunities. Including, to attract foreigners to the state.
Remember the story of the Chechens in Afghanistan. I saw with my own eyes how Shoigu told the GDP about attracting them to the NWO. Then it didn't work...

[tralflot1832]

There are no seven fields in the forehead, the goal is Malaysia, you need to help and protect Rosneft's investments.

[AA17]

... And about PMC Gazprom - it has been around for 20 years already.

Dear Alex777 (Alexander). You are wrong. You are confusing private security companies with PMCs.
The list of weapons that can be used by a private security company, depending on the protection of a particular object:

Security is ensured by weapons of domestic and foreign production, which include:
pistols (Makarov pistol, P-96, "Kid");
revolvers (RSL-1, DOG-1);
pump-action shotguns (MP-133, "Bekas-M");
smoothbore carbines ("Saiga", "Vepr"). https://chop.moscow/stati/kakoe-oruzhie-razresheno-chop/

PMCs have a longer list of weapons (artillery, aircraft, etc.) to protect their facility - primarily rifled ones.

[Diger]

Hell is where souls of sinners after death they are subjected to eternal torment.
The stupid person who gave such a name to the film must have stuck a stormtrooper on the Kalashnikov monument last time.
Stupidity will destroy Russia.
In Africa and other Asias, the guardians were perfectly driven by the Soviet army, as well as other pirates were harassed by the navy.
Ps. The movie is boring as fuck

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote from Digger

In Africa and other Asias, the guardians were perfectly driven by the Soviet army, as well as other pirates were harassed by the navy.

Umm ... Can you give a specific example of how the Soviet army drove the French in Africa?

[Vipirozhnikow]

It would be better if the state PMC, called the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, began to properly train, supply everything necessary (there is always not enough money for everything) and pay the appropriate salaries to specialists.

In some areas, the salary in civilian life is 2-3 times higher.

[ism_ek]

Quote: Shurik70

spent 17 billion rubles.

And the budget of our army is trillions of rubles ... Plus the opportunity to replenish the ranks of the mobilized. What's the point?
Wagner spends money dozens of times more efficiently. People go there, unlike the army, into which people have to be driven by subpoenas.
Where the Russian army demolishes houses with thousands of tons of ammunition. Wagner storms high-rise buildings in small groups with minimal casualties, killing Ukrainians by the thousands, primarily in gunfights.
Of course, stormtroopers are just the tip of Wagner. But they don't have T-90s, Iskanders, or Su-34s. Most of them have Soviet weapons.

[Alex777]

Quote: ism_ek

Where the Russian army demolishes houses with thousands of tons of ammunition. Wagner storms high-rise buildings in small groups with minimal losses

Wagner certainly has many advantages. I know from friends there.
Without belittling them in any way, I will say: no one can fight with small losses without demolishing everything in its path. Nobody.
Khodakovsky also spoke about this yesterday.
Some suffer losses, even having the opportunity to demolish everything ...

[ism_ek]

Quote: Alex777

Khodakovsky also spoke about this yesterday.

Watch the video
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/78529

[tsvetahaki]

A couple of such PMCs, perhaps even useful to have. For competition.

Yes, create a Dagestan PMC, a Tatarstan PMC and see what happens.
True, "Wagner" may not be enough, it will be necessary to create the Solntsevo PMC.
But banks and Gazprom can help. In which case, their PMCs will be balanced.

[Brother]

Wagner's funding is shrouded in mystery.

Well, well ... TALES! .... hmm these are our TAXES!
If Prigozhin "works" for private traders with Africa for "someone", this is just a payment to mercenaries.
If the same is done in the interests of "private persons" such as GazPREM ... these are TAXES of citizens of the Russian Federation.

[bayard]

Quote: Breard

If Prigozhin "works" for private traders with Africa for "someone", this is just a payment to mercenaries.

In Africa, they generally provide paid services to local governments. Well, domestic investors too.

Quote: Breard

GazPREM ... this is TAXES of citizens of the Russian Federation.

Gazprom is acquiring its own gas-liquefying facilities, a fleet of gas carriers, contracts with Brazil are expected (or already?) for the supply of LNG and the creation / construction of all necessary infrastructure. There are also VERY large investments in Iran ... all this wealth abroad must be RELIABLELY protected.

Quote: Breard

TAXES OF CITIZENS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

Gazprom has its own budget, and it is not earned by taxes at all, but by the price and volume of products sold.
And the world is now restless, every self-respecting businessman strives to have his own army ... Trump has a dozen and a half of his own PMCs ... that's why he is alive.

[synodontis]

google how many PMCs are in the Russian Federation. There are now more than 10

[Misha Mihalkov]

There will be no competition, Kadyrov has the entire Muslim world in reserve ...

[bayard]

Quote: Shurik70

A couple of such PMCs might even be useful to get. For competition.
But it's no longer worth it. The budget is not rubber.

There are already more of them , just not all of them are so famous . And soon Gazprom will acquire its own PMC. I suppose that to protect the sea transportation of LNG by gas carriers. They (Gazprom) will soon carry LNG to Brazil, and for this they will create all the necessary infrastructure there. Well, not only there. And their investments abroad must be protected.

[Zagrebun]

Minusators, I remind you, it was not a boy from the village who voiced, but a little, just a little bit, the head of the region. To create a PMC while in the public service is simply beyond. Already having its own paramilitaries.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Zagrebun

Minusators, I remind you, it was not a boy from the village who voiced, but a little, just a little bit, the head of the region. To create a PMC while in the public service is simply beyond. Already having its own paramilitaries.

A region in which full-fledged hostilities ended just twenty years ago.
And the war stopped largely thanks to him and his father, who managed to rally many around themselves and repulse the separatists.
There are many hotheads in the region. And it would be better if they fight now in Ukraine, and then after the victory in Syria and Africa, for the glory of themselves and Russia, than go into gangs.

[Zagrebun]

Hot heads can fight as part of the Defense Ministry or the Ministry of Internal Affairs. PMC private army.

[carpenter]

Quote: Zagrebun

Hot heads can fight as part of the Defense Ministry or the Ministry of Internal Affairs. PMC private army.

People want to fight where there are fewer Fools and where they think with their heads not for the stars on shoulder straps, but how to destroy the enemy competently.

[Shurik70]

PMCs are banned in Russia.
Criminal article.
That is, Wagner is only called "private", so that there are excuses for Russia's non-interference, when someone needs to "prescribe a concert" somewhere.
Kadyrov understands this very well.
That is, the unit will be financed, and goals given, from Moscow.
The only difference from the army is how they will decide how to carry out the task themselves.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Shurik70

That is, the unit will be financed, and goals given, from Moscow.

Not from Moscow in general.
From one of the towers of the Kremlin.
And that's what sucks.

[bayard]

Quote: Shurik70

Criminal article.

Wagner is not registered in Russia. But this is all, of course, conventions.

[Diger]

where there are fewer Fools and where they think with their heads

So can these D be expelled from the General Staff and from the army?
Any godfathers, relatives and blatnichkov?
When the android received a lieutenant general, having never been in the database zone and not leading anything except a pack of hacks in uniforms, I will assume that many colonels swear hard and drink without clinking glasses for his “further advancement”

[ivan1979nkl]

PMC private army

private PMCs are just a cover - this is a state structure

[alekseykabanets]

Quote from ivan1979nkl

private PMCs are just a cover - this is a state structure

Can you justify this pearl?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from ivan1979nkl

private PMCs are just a cover - this is a state structure

Can you name specific curators?

[alexmach]

private PMCs are just a cover - this is a state structure

Then you don't need more than one. In addition, Mr. Prigozhin does not seem to agree with this statement.

[Quote Lavrov]

And that you have only two ways of development - a gang or a PMC? Everything, there are no other options? Neither peaceful, nor in the structures of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs ??
We are not planning to develop a country, a society along a peaceful path, are we?

[Edik]

Quote: Zagrebun

To create a PMC while in the public service is simply beyond.

Can you read?

Therefore, I seriously plan to compete when I finish my work in the civil service.

[Quote] [/ quote]

[Quote Lavrov]

Can you tell me where the state official got the money for PMCs from ??

[Terenin]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Can you tell me where the state official got the money for PMCs from ??

Yes, even from the public "A. Kadyrov's fund."
But, it's not about the start-up capital, you won't last long on it, but it's about the effectiveness of the contracts. And the contracts are tough. This is not the state budget for you (such as the maintenance of the police). Otherwise, you can also pay your bubbles as penalties, and no one else with an ineffective structure will enter into legal relations.

[Clear]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Can you tell me where the state official got the money for PMCs from ??

Yes, even from the public "A. Kadyrov's fund."
But, it's not about the start-up capital, you won't last long on it, but it's about the effectiveness of the contracts. And the contracts are tough. This is not the state budget for you (such as the maintenance of the police). Otherwise, you can also pay your bubbles as penalties, and no one else with an ineffective structure will enter into legal relations.

I don’t know about PMCs, but knowing the positions of my colleagues on the site, I realized that "Our Russian PMC!" This is great!
So come on, Wagner, play...

[Zagrebun]

However. Can a public fund fund a group of bank robbers? Like PMCs on the territory of the Russian Federation outside the law?

[Edik]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Can you tell me where the state official got the money for PMCs from ??

Do you probably have sacred thoughts spinning in your head? Where does Prigozhin get the money from? For planes, helicopters, tanks, artillery. I will answer you, I will take it on credit)

[Diger]

Minusators, I remind you, it was not a boy from the village who voted

Major General of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
Colonel General of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
Academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences (God forgive me, Petrik will not let you lie)
Hero of the Russian Federation

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from Digger

Minusators, I remind you, it was not a boy from the village who voted


Major General of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
Colonel General of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
Academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences (God forgive me, Petrik will not let you lie)
Hero of the Russian Federation

And what does this tell you?
That he is not a "cook" and has the right / can manage something?
Yes, it copes within the limits of its responsibility, but that does not say much more.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Zagrebun

To create a PMC while in the public service is simply beyond.

Actually, plans for the period after the end of the civil service.

Therefore, when I finish my work in the civil service, I seriously plan to compete with our dear BROTHER Evgeny Prigozhin and create a private military company

- said Kadyrov.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Zagrebun

Creating a PMC while in the public service is simply beyond

about plans to become a competitor to Evgeny Prigozhin at the end of public service the head of Chechnya wrote today in his TG channel

Read the article did not try?

[Max2022]

East and West battalions - count your own army, he always has it as an exception for other regions.
At the same time, a training center for volunteers and mobilized people operates in Chechnya.
And in principle, history has made the Chechens strong and courageous fighters, though sometimes with too much pride.
And so - this is his theme, let him work

[Navy7981]

So far, Kadyrov has done more to unite people than all the friendship of peoples declared in words! I think that many people began to perceive the peoples living with us in the same country as their own. At the same time, the perfect does not have to spread in praises and "passionately love" a rather banal Respect!!! Because it is necessary to judge by deeds. And things are like that, Buryats, Chechens, Dagestanis, Russians, Kalmyks, Yakuts, ... and other guys fight, survive and die for our very large country! I don’t know how and what will happen in a year, 10 years, but if we don’t spoil these nascent relations ourselves, then everything will be fine.

[APASUS]

Quote: Zagrebun

Pull, pull, stretch the RF piece by piece. I take the statement this way.

He is a Muslim and his authority in the world is quite great. PMCs are also used in Muslim countries, who will be more trusted, a co-religionist or a Christian?
As an option

[Fangaro]

If there are several PMCs in Russia, what will happen to the funds allocated for the RF Ministry of Defense from the budget?
Will they be partially redistributed from the Ministry of Defense to PMCs? Will additionally be planned to finance PMCs?
And the decisions on how to use PMCs will remain with the creators? Or will they be taken under their "guardianship" in the Moscow Region and will set goals and objectives?

[Andrey Moskvin]

It is necessary not to create new PMCs, but to revive the Cheka. Maybe there would be no mess in the army.

[awdrgy]

Only without leather jackets, but looks menacing)

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Since capitalism is in Russia, then PMCs look natural in it. Such a system.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

Since capitalism is in Russia, then PMCs look natural in it. Such a system.

If you want to say what the system is, such are the grimaces.
It is so.
It seems, however, that for the majority of the people both the formation and grimaces are like a sickle for a reason.

[Al manah]

the majority of the people and the system and grimaces as a sickle for a reason.

They endured this for thousands of years and only ever rebelled, and now even no one is on strike, let alone protest or something more serious.

[dorz]

Quote from Fangaro

If there are several PMCs in Russia, then ...

There are already several PMCs, probably soon the score will go to dozens.

[igorbrsv]

A little wrong. The Defense Ministry sets a task for the PMC, pays for the costs and according to the results of the completed task. The amount of the results is negotiated in advance. Costs as needed. The number of staff and means to complete the task is determined by the PMC. Fewer people, more pay.
Something came to my mind - what if Wagner has a piecework "wage" in agreement with the Moscow Region. More dryer bodies - more profit
Does this have anything to do with Bakhmut? And with Prigozhin's statements?

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote from Fangaro

If there are several PMCs in Russia, what will happen to the funds allocated for the RF Ministry of Defense from the budget?
Will be redistributed partially from the Ministry of Defense to PMCs?

Certainly. That is why Gerasimov and others like him have such dislike. Formally, the musicians are not responsible to him, but they do things better than the flat-ass, fat generals plan to chew snot.

[Vyacheslav57]

Quote from Fangaro

Or will they be taken under their "guardianship" in the Moscow Region and will set goals and objectives?

There are PMCs in many countries of the world and this is no longer a secret. All of them operate according to the same algorithm, although there is a difference in their purpose. The appointment of PMC "Wagner" and their contracts abroad are little known to us, but we can compare their work with the work of foreign PMCs, for the benefit of many of them on the Internet. Most of the world's private military companies (PMCs) work primarily for the interests of NATO, and specifically the United States. Mostly American and British companies.
Blackwater
One of the most famous private military companies is the American security firm Blackwater. It was founded in 1997 . A few years later, another company was formed, essentially its new subsidiary, Blackwater Security Consulting. The main income of Academi fighters is received from participation in various armed conflicts, about 90% of the company's profits are received under contracts with the US government.
G4S
The second largest PMC in the world from the UK. Works on orders from the government and private individuals.
FDG Corp
The American PMC is the so-called "Group R" (Fort Defense Group Corporation, FDG Corp.).
The company has concentrated its main activities in almost all hot spots of the world: Somalia, the Gulf of Aden, Iraq, Guinea-Bissau, Israel (Palestine, Gaza) and Afghanistan. The company provides services such as ship and cargo protection, military logistics, maritime and land transportation, training of special units and security teams for operations in high-risk areas, military consulting.
Well, others, others. But we see that all of them are inextricably linked with the Government and the Leadership of their countries, that is, they fulfill their orders, they are not officially listed in any state structures.

[Quote Lavrov]

So you immediately write - how these PMCs are known to the whole world !! Do not remind me why the same WW changed the name?

[Vyacheslav57]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Do not remind me why the same WW changed the name?

Actually, I did not set out to describe each PMC and how they "became famous". That's what the internet is for. Now especially for you (so to speak - for an encore). Blackwater discontinued this brand in February 2009 due to numerous crimes and prosecutions in Iraq and Afghanistan. The last straw of the outburst of indignation was the fact that PMC officers in Nisour Square in Iraq shot 17 people, including women and children. More than 20 people were injured of varying severity.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote from Fangaro

If there are several PMCs in Russia, what will happen to the funds allocated for the RF Ministry of Defense from the budget? ...

And there will be less and less money in the Moscow Region, and the owners of PMCs will have more and more money.)))

[Clear]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote from Fangaro

If there are several PMCs in Russia, what will happen to the funds allocated for the RF Ministry of Defense from the budget? ...

And there will be less and less money in the Moscow Region, and the owners of PMCs will have more and more money.)))

Well, everything is logical who works better than that and is hired with good pay.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Clear

Well, everything is logical, who works better and is hired with good pay.

Even more logical, whoever has more dough, he will hire in his own interests.
Does this moment bother you?

[Al manah]

And we have no reason to be embarrassed: nothing depends on us, we only have to observe.

[Nicola]

PMCs of any country fight for money. I understand the work of PMCs abroad, but in my own country? Someone incognito, will offer an amount dozens of times greater and will start to fight against "whom they point the finger at" inside the country? Ay-state, you play dangerous games.

[Bogalex]

See the root. I support completely.

[ivan1979nkl]

PMCs of any country fight for money

all professional military men fight for money, not just PMCs. In the city of Novosibirsk in Komsomolsky Square there is a memorial to soldiers-internationalists - the list of countries where the Soviet "PMCs" worked is very extensive. In each of them they fought with the Americans

[Bogalex]

I hope that someday you will grow wiser enough that you will be ashamed of this text.

[Al manah]

Get stopizzot billion and capture the Kremlin? What will change for us?

[Alexander X]

The PMC is a micro-model of the professional army that has been talked about so much. Well-trained professionals fighting for money, not mobilized fathers of families.

[Bogalex]

No. PMCs are a mercenary organization, but yes, "Excellently trained professionals who fight for money." And it is money that sooner or later will become the prevailing stimulus for the bottom.
Not so long ago in a historical perspective - at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, there was a very similar organization - the Cossacks. They fought not for money, but for class privileges - land taxes, difference in social status with the rest of the population of Russia, etc. When the time came, they had no doubts whether it was necessary to raise whips against the indignant peasants and workers or not.
So get ready.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Bogalex

They fought not for money, but for class privileges - land taxes, difference in social status with the rest of the population of Russia, etc. When the time came, they had no doubts whether it was necessary to raise whips against the indignant peasants and workers or not.

And the most surprising thing is that more than a hundred years before that, the Cossacks stood at the forefront of the movement for the common people. Donets with Razin and Bulavin, Urals with Pugachev. Krasnov once noted this paradox (the same one, ataman)

[Zagrebun]

What is the paradox? The Cossack foreman deprived the grassroots of grain allowance, they rose, the peasants joined the grassroots, they also wanted to eat, at least once a day. After 100 years, the peasants are driven out of the same opera, they break the system, which allows them to eat from the belly.

[Bogalex]

They never stood for the common people, do not fall into naive idealism.
And, by the way, if I were in your place, I would personally avoid appealing to Krasnov's authority.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Bogalex

They never stood for the common people, do not fall into naive idealism.

well, yes, and Lenin in this idealism and Engels. Who was standing in your opinion?

Quote: Bogalex

And, by the way, if I were in your place, I would personally avoid appealing to Krasnov's authority.

I am addressing you as a historical figure of that time (namely, the times of the Civil War), do not distort.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Bogalex

Cossacks. They fought not for money, but for class privileges. When the time came, they had no doubts whether it was necessary to raise the whips

Well, yes, yes - class privileges! The Cossacks are, first of all, essentially a military service class, and it was not at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, from the XNUMXth - XNUMXth! Yes, there was an indulgence in taxes, but the Cossack family at its own expense had to provide the warrior with the right. And this is all uniforms, both a checker and a horse. And "when the time came", the Cossacks did not take whips in their hands, but checkers and pikes, and went to die for the tsar and the Fatherland.

[Bogalex]

And on January 9, 1905, in St. Petersburg, they also went to "die" for the tsar and the Fatherland?

[Zagrebun]

A little earlier, 200 years ago, they were called "boyar children." Can you name 10 differences?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

The Cossacks did not take whips in their hands, but checkers and pikes, and went to die for the Tsar and the Fatherland.

The question is who they went to pacify.
On whom the "owner" showed, they went to pacify him.
Allegedly "free" mercenaries.

[ycuce234-san]

Pre-revolutionary Cossacks, like "PMCs", huddled on the outskirts of a unitary Empire, are a pale likeness of Swiss mercenary troops, behind which the experience of centuries of mercenary work should rather be considered as historical archaism (a class that has outlived its era). And they have nothing to do with the modern federal period in the state system. Usually, historically highly developed mercenary activity is associated with a very decentralized confederate state structure. That is why the Swiss Confederation, which was never a unitary monostate, gave rise to mercenary troops, and therefore modern mercenaries appeared after WWII in the USA and Great Britain, which are historically decentralized (the Confederates from US history were not called that by chance then).
Confederation - there are different monetary units and different armed forces with their own command in the allied states. A confederation is only a form of unification of the remaining independent states and countries. In the early 1990s, during a protracted political and economic crisis, the option of turning Russia into a Russian Confederation rather than a federation was even considered.
It is the strengthening of the state system that makes hired structures disappear - the USSR was a union of republics, but a "strong" union and no one could imagine a PMC from any party boss - strengthen the state system and all these structures will disappear like a fog. That is why capitalist China does not have its own PMCs - it has too strong a state system now.

[Terenin]

Quote: Bogalex

When the time came, they had no doubts whether it was necessary to raise whips against the indignant peasants and workers or not.
So get ready.

There is little doubt, actions are needed, and they are on the part of the Cossacks

Quote: Bogalex

against indignant peasants and workers

in October 1917 in St. Petersburg, just did not happen. The Cossacks were blown away, although later they regretted it.

[Bogalex]

So in October 1917. But in 1905-1907 they didn’t even “blow away” and definitely didn’t regret it.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Bogalex

So in October 1917. But in 1905-1907 they didn’t even “blow away” and definitely didn’t regret it.

They were "blown away" because by October 1917 their solvent owners were blown away.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Bogalex

When the time came, they had no doubts whether it was necessary to raise whips against the indignant peasants and workers or not.

What a familiar song.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Alexander X

The PMC is a micro-model of the professional army that has been talked about so much. Well-trained professionals fighting for money, not mobilized fathers of families.

Well-trained professionals will fight against the mobilized fathers of families for money. Don't forget about it!

[Petr_Koldunov]

Competition is the engine of progress. Who will be the first to hoist the tricolor on Bankova Street is a good competition!

[Terenin]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

Competition is the engine of progress. Who will be the first to hoist the tricolor on Bankova Street is a good competition!

They disagree with you with Banking and downvote.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Terenin

They disagree with you with Banking and downvote.

No need to be at Bankovskaya to disagree.
Match socialcompetition and bourgeois tricolor, sorry, - blasphemy.
And he and you are minus with all my heart.

[Bogalex]

PMC Prigozhin, PMC Kadyrov, PMC anyone else ...
And no one is going to develop the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

[Mikhail Maslov]

PMCs from Gazprom are already ready. By the way, a recruitment is underway, if you want to join if it suits. Or maybe things are going to a big boil? So they are trying to create a military structure capable of responding to "any threats" in advance. There is something to think about.

[Mol_18]

Already ready PMC from "Gazprom"

, and it is very very scary that they all create armies for themselves. By chance, it would not be to solve the problems facing the interests of Kadyrov, Gazprom, Prigogine, for example, for the power to fight with each other. I hope the Ministry of Defense will be able to strangle them or create only those under their control

[Bogalex]

All this is very sad. The Lubech Congress is not far off, apparently ...

[Mol_18]

[quote][It's all very sad/quote], it's not even sad, it's just awful. And all this is done under such beautiful slogans. But the Russian people will not let these capitalists destroy our Motherland, I'm sure of that, probably

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mikhail Maslov

Or maybe things are going to a big boil? So they are trying to create a military structure capable of responding to "any threats" in advance. There is something to think about.

Capitalists are preparing to protect their capital in case of redistribution of property? An extremely worrying sign.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Capitalists are preparing to protect their capital in case of redistribution of property? An extremely worrying sign.

They know the plan to split Russia into N colonies and they are preparing for its implementation and consequences.
Nothing but a return to socialism can resist this.
The fear of blood now promises even more in the future.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

The fear of blood now promises even more in the future.

Bertolt Brecht once wrote:
"... You and I are class enemies,
It must be said once and for all.
Who among us has not dared to fight,
Dare to die. ..."

[igorbrsv]

The army will be disbanded, some PMCs will be left. And when the treasury is empty... I do not like it. My fifth point did not let me down

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: igorbrsv

The army will be disbanded, some PMCs will be left. And when the treasury is empty...

I'm not sure that musicians are paid more than regular contractors or conscripts.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

I'm not sure that musicians are paid more than regular contractors or conscripts.

The main thing is not even how much they pay, but who.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Bogalex

PMC Prigozhin, PMC Kadyrov, PMC anyone else ...
And no one is going to develop the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

Gazprom was recently allowed to create a PMC.

[zontov79]

"According to the Chechen leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin managed to create a truly effective military formation, which has already proven its professionalism during a special military operation. At the same time, the stormtroopers of the "musicians" do extremely hard work and always achieve their goals in any situation."
There is no doubt about this! And if there is the same company in terms of efficiency, then we will live more calmly!

[Bogalex]

When in the very near future PMC fighters will clearly show you under which bench your place is, remember your today's post.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Bogalex

When in the very near future PMC fighters will clearly show you under which bench your place is, remember your today's post.

You might think that now there is no one to indicate your place to you ...

[Bogalex]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs is not running around with sledgehammers yet, if that. Although time will tell.
And most importantly - those who today can "show their place" to me, in turn, are subject to very specific laws.
What laws is subject to PMC "Wagner"?

[Egg]

Quote: Bogalex

The Ministry of Internal Affairs is not running with sledgehammers yet, if that.

They are quite successfully replaced by "democratizers"

[Storog dvornik]

Citizen, in Russian public law there is no concept of "PMC", calm down ...
As they appeared, so they will disappear, everything has its time ...
A good example - in the late 80s, organized crime groups flourished, of various sizes and nationalities, with shooting and lawlessness ... After cutting the property of the RSFSR, by the beginning of the 2000s, all organized crime groups quietly self-destructed - it was necessary ... Particularly daring and stupid went to cemeteries , or goes cancer to life...
The current "PMCs" in the SVO are a fact of force majeure, so there are convicts there - it's a pity for experienced pros, and ready-made healthy guys with adrenaline beat in the zones, and they are not adapted to peaceful life after their release in their majority - and the layman is calm and the district police ...
"PMCs" were created exclusively for foreign trips, weaning and protecting assets, as it was already a long time ago by the Anglo-Saxons - exactly the same, "... only the pipe is lower, and the smoke is thinner ..."
Or do you think "PMC GAZPROM" created the Chukchi to drive around Yamal? ... Kadyrovsky will also have enough work - Asia is big, from Kazakhstan to Pakistan, it’s more profitable than heaping to disperse ...
In the Unified State Register of Legal Entities of the Russian Federation, there are no legal entities with the name "PMC WAGNER", do not believe it, check ...
But in the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation there may well be a document under the stamp, about the creation of some extra-budgetary power structure on the basis of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, but you and I, during our lifetime, are unlikely to find out about it ...

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: Storog Dvornik

In the Unified State Register of Legal Entities of the Russian Federation, there are no legal entities with the name "PMC WAGNER"

You can officially create large military state corporations like Rosatom or other state companies and entrust them with what the authorities need to distance themselves from in foreign policy. To create a normal legal legal basis for military state corporations and make them controlled by the state. This is the most correct and safe course of action in this case.

[Vladimir M]

Why several PMCs for the country? I understand when PMCs solve issues over the hill, where it is not good for the State Army to shine. But now the same Wagner is already resolving issues on the territory of his country - Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions, and this is already the territory of Russia.

[Argon]

By joining the ranks of PMCs, you understand that you can be abandoned by your own. It's in the contract. Knowing all this, you are mentally prepared, and do not wait for "ours" and do not rely on anyone! You also understand that you will not be thrown away just like that !!! Because of the bureaucracy or half-educated generals. More carefully planned operations! Judging by what is happening with RA, everything goes to the point that all those more or less able to fight will realize themselves to the maximum !!

[Vladimir M]

PMCs should not fight on their territory. PMC is a private military organization, and if it is also on a national basis. We have already gone through this in our history - the creation of units on a national basis, but then at least they were part of the army. And it didn’t end very well .... It seems that not everything is fine in our MO .....

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Vladimir M

It seems that not everything is fine in our MO .....

Not only and not so much in MO.

[igorbrsv]

PMCs do not have to be hired and maintained by the ministry. Hire when needed.
What if someone else hired her...
Someone bad..

[Vladimir M]

So this is the question, what if someone else hires, and even not good. It seems that the GDP already has no way out, how to entrust the creation of private armies to "reliable people". What happens if they don't share something?

[Leshak]

PMC "Wagner", PMC "Gazprom", PMC "Akhmat" - isn't it too much for Russia?

[Hey]

PMC "Wagner", PMC "Gazprom", PMC "Akhmat" - isn't it too much for Russia?

But isn’t February 1917 looming on the horizon, oh February 2024, followed by March with its events. And who better to prepare for them ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: MUD

But isn’t February 1917 looming on the horizon, oh February 2024, followed by March with its events.

If only February followed October.
Then justified.

[Mikhail Maslov]

Here's how to look. The PMC market in Russia, like everything else, is only developing. The question is not in PMCs, but who is the owner and what goals these owners have. If there is a war, security, intelligence, instructors, etc. and all this is abroad so let them act. But inside the country, this is a question for the Supreme.

[voyaka uh]

Shchaas Rogozin and Medvedev will tin their PMC.
"Rogomed". Tandem Dim.
Using the technologies of Roskosmos and iPhone.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: voyaka uh

Using Roscosmos technologies

If it makes sense to have PMCs in the Russian Federation, then only high-tech private military space troops and operate them strictly outside the state.
But these should be precisely huge military state corporations a la Roskosmos, Rosatom and the like, and not personal companies of specific people.

And they will have the appropriate services - delivering orbital strikes, providing space surveillance and communications, missile attacks, military satellite launches, strikes from submarines, R&D, etc. - that will give the development of high-tech industrialization and jobs.

[Ross xnumx]

There can be no competition in such a business. Let's honestly and finally admit that PMCs are private military companies whose existence is based on the infusion of funds and the creation of conditions for the training of highly professional paramilitary groups ... Not the army, not the navy, but military specialists. able to perform difficult tasks due to their physical and special training.
Will they be able to fight against the armies of foreign countries? They can, but under certain conditions.
Something has them in common with the special forces of the Soviet era, but that's all.
There is aviation, a navy, the same artillery and missile forces ...
Did Ramzan Akhmatovich want to be talked about? Yes, let there be another PMC. Actually, if my memory serves me right, where are conscripts from the Chechen Republic serving? That's right!
* * *
By the way, how the American army can fight against PMCs was shown in Syria. Bitter experience. But it must be taken into account. It may soon happen that some "big head" will be able to fight entire units with the help of AI and UAVs...

[ivan2022]

Here we will definitely have a cover. A general trend, so to speak. The division of the country is being prepared.

[next322]

this is a call to the supreme ........ the inefficiency of the army is obvious. More precisely, its leadership

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: next322

this is a call to the supreme...

Throw it away ... The alarm has been sounding there for a long time, but we are still waiting and believing that it is Vladimir Vladimirovich, it is the Supreme Commander, who cannot hear him in any way ... Or does he not want to? Or is he just turning a blind eye to what he cannot resist?
* * *
Yesterday I caught the eye of the documentary film “90s. Gangster movie "... You (who have not seen) look:
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/4645566877210244218
and ask yourself: where did these raspberry jackets disappear and did everything end in fairness?
Maybe people just washed their hands and changed clothes, leaving themselves habits and manners when personal interests are higher than the interests of the state (and what is the state?) And living on the territory of the country "tolerated" ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: ROSS 42

where did these raspberry jackets disappear and did everything end in fairness?
Maybe people just washed their hands and changed clothes, leaving their habits and manners

All the lads changed into tailcoats,
But she remained, according to the concepts of brotherhood ...

[Argon]

Quote: ROSS 42

By the way, how the American army can fight against PMCs was shown in Syria.

We are over here scha la la. Pindov was not allowed to touch, that was the result, and our command there was reversed. Forsaken.

[zontov79]

I completely agree with you. Now Wagner needs to win back on the Americans and other sluts in Ukraine !!

[shark507]

And disperse MO.
Completely.
All the same, there is no sense, only the budget is being eaten like bark beetles.

[Mint Gingerbread]

There are no "private" companies, all these organizations are in the service of the states. Everyone has their own or even several. In order not to get their hands dirty in global politics and not to use the regular army, whose actions will be answered by another regular army, these guys are sent.
And in which case, no one knows anything and there is no demand.

[rocket757]

Ramzan Kadyrov announced his intention to compete with Yevgeny Prigozhin by creating his own PMC

. The only rule that must not be violated is NO NATIONAL MILITARY FORMATIONS, STRUCTURES !!!
This then sideways can come out, with a high degree of probability.

[Stas157]

I'll go tomorrow, too, create a PMC! Where can I get permission please?

[AdAstra]

And I, too, want to go such a booze. We are a country of equal opportunities, aren't we?

[Skorin]

Well, I don’t know, but it’s a disturbing trend for me. The monopoly on violence should belong exclusively to the state. Otherwise, it may go to pieces ... the creation of parallel military structures, and even at the regional level - the idea, in my opinion, is not entirely successful. There was also an ominous example of two parallel military structures in Germany in the 40s.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Skorin

the creation of parallel military structures, and even at the regional level - the idea, in my opinion, is not entirely successful.

This is a Western idea.
Fits their plans.

[Primipilus]

Now everyone will rush to create their own PMCs.

[Prisoner]

Competitor? Compete with the Natos, not with each other. Now they will be like dushman gangs to do each other's head axes, beating off nishtyaki. It just wasn't enough.

[sagitovich]

Stop!
You what?
Tomorrow I will create an army!
Already agreed! A certain republic in the Russian Federation will finance !!!!!!!!!!!!
!

[yuriy1863]

Without any doubt, such professional formations are needed and necessary.

It may be necessary, but only for solving narrowly specific tasks outside the country, when the open participation of official state structures in a military conflict is undesirable. PMC "Wagner" shows results because its fighters are well motivated. I don't know what other motivation they have besides money. I heard that they have their own reward system, which can also be attributed to motivational factors. If the Armed Forces are properly built, managed and motivated, from moral to material aspects, then they will show high efficiency in the conduct of hostilities and no PMCs will be needed. The Armed Forces serve the Motherland and the People, PMCs serve their masters.

[mag nit]

Then it will definitely be Ichkeria instead of Russia. Stop "academic".

[Soul of Russia87]

Chechnya in the 90s will seem like a kindergarten, you look at the level of equipment, numbers, organization, communications and motivation of Kadyrov's army! And it was all growing right under our noses. At X hour, God alone knows to whom they will swear allegiance and what tasks they will set. You can even buy Wagnerites, but what do you want to do with these?

[Soul of Russia87]

Wagner, Gazprom, Kadyrov .... It became scary from this fact that the top is already preparing for the MILITARY division of spheres of influence in the upcoming civil war. Some kind of feudal fragmentation, not just mentally! This is what the political impotence of the central government leads to ... or is it their plan ???

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Soul of Russia87

This is what the political impotence of the central government leads to ... or is it their plan ???

Rather, a plan, and not even theirs, but formulated long ago in the West.
The central government, it seems, is only gradually implementing it.

[Brother]

And there is!
Already today there are cases of "Wagnerites" ... or those who call themselves come to big businessmen and say - "It's time to share" .. hmm Wagner is a roof! reliable! , and if not, you will have to rewrite ... the owner!

[flicker]

to compete with our dear BROTHER Evgeny Prigogine

The main thing is that Ramzan Kadyrov does not run into chutzpah from "dear Brother".

[opposite28]

I never cease to rejoice at the successes of the Wagner PMC in the NVO zone. It would seem that a private military company, but managed to achieve very impressive results. (...) Despite all the difficulties, "Wagner" achieves its goal in any situation

- said Kadyrov.

Kadyrov was taught as a child not to eavesdrop, but he peeps ... Kadyshev, as they say, to help ...

[AC130 Gunship]

Well, I think it's started. Udmurtia, Transbaikalia, Kalmykia, Tula region. In fact, the Constitution says that it is prohibited by law.

[opposite28]

Without any doubt, such professional formations are needed and necessary. Therefore, when I finish my work in the civil service, I seriously plan to compete with our dear BROTHER Evgeny Prigozhin and create a private military company

- said Kadyrov.

I would like to see how Kadyrov's PMC runs through the jungle, for example, on the African continent, after representatives (shaitans) of local ethnic groups ...

[Said]

The Wagner phenomenon is only the result of the MO's impotence. As soon as the units of the Ministry of Defense are equipped and trained according to the charter (both drugs and BC), all problems will go away. The army does not need to be reduced, I hope this truth is understood, and one should not be afraid of a large number, in the end, you can hang up the maintenance of the armies on the main jackals - the Balts, Poles and others. And the lesson will be efficiency and, most importantly, the need will be justified.

[Art Pilot]

Kadyrov can mobilize co-religionists from Islamic countries to fight neo-fascists.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: ArtPilot

Kadyrov can mobilize co-religionists from Islamic countries to fight neo-fascists.

Maybe. And after the neo-fascists, who will be next in line?

[odisey3000]

One thing can be said, this will all end badly for our state and our citizens, all these private armies.

[CirclePit]

And no one needs article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - indeed, why are some laws, apparently, they are not written for everyone

[runway-1]

Ramzan Kadyrov intends to create his own PMC, about plans to become a competitor to Yevgeny Prigozhin after the end of public service

Wow, interesting plot twist...
Who's next?
ps And this trend is happily supported by some commentators, some because it is supposed to work, while others are clearly from clinical thoughtlessness ...

[Dizel200]

I don't think this is a good idea. Hot guys think about the consequences?

[DefenderofTruth]

When will there be a battle on the Kama between PMCs of Tatarstan and Bashkortostan?

[Maks1995]

Window dressing.
If you remember, at the beginning of the NWO there were a lot of videos where "clean" Chechens (for some reason the same faces) did something famously. Sometimes in the rear of our troops.
Then the videos went somewhere.
As well as promises of sanctions to European officials, jihad mnyame, Chechen buggies and so on and so forth...

Maybe this is the reason - Hare will also light up?

[glock-17]

The people and the army are united, and the privatization of the army is unacceptable.

[fedr fedrov]

Quote from Digger

4. Some PMCs (especially since mercenarism is prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation

Registered for this comment, tired of reading such nonsense. Who told you this? According to the notorious article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, any kind of mercenarism is prohibited. Read carefully at the very end:

Note. A mercenary is a person who is acting for the purpose of receiving material remuneration and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or military actions, who does not reside permanently on its territory, and who is not a person who is assigned to perform official duties.

[spirit]

Every self-respecting baron and caliph, seeing the sunset of "your excellency", strengthens his influence, the tiktok troops of the caliph are sitting in the rear, because the caliph understands that he will need them when dividing power. this riff-raff under the plinth, as the Bolsheviks did after the First World War, then half of the south was also in such "barons" but they all ended the same way at the wall or they filled up their own

[AdAstra]

Everything is so, only now it’s not very good with the Bolsheviks, they don’t exist ..

[dump22]

At the same time, the "musicians" attack aircraft perform extremely hard work and always achieve their goals in any situation.

And it is reasonable to immediately raise the question - if Wagner turns out to be more effective than the Moscow Region (reach their goals faster), can he transfer all the Moscow Region to the Wagner principle, finally introduce a truly contract army?

[RoTTor]

The Russian army is a hindrance to them,
the collapse and separation of the army into private gangs is a guaranteed end to the state

[Armen Sologyan]

Long time ago!!! And for PMC "Ramzan" to give complete freedom of action. The only limitation is to fight in such a way that there are no losses among the Ramzan PMC.

[Armen Sologyan]

The leader of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Akhmatovich Kadyrov is deeply sympathetic to me and the Chechen people around him too. Wish Him and the Chechen people taking part in the battle with the shaitans only Great Success and Good Luck!

[Brother]

He already has ... HIM! army, now he will support it at the expense of Russia!

[art having]

For what??? It's like he has his own army.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Shurik70

A couple of such PMCs, perhaps even useful to have. For competition.

At this historical stage of the existence of our Motherland, alas, we will not limit ourselves to "a couple of PMCs".
In narrow circles, it became known about the transformation of a huge host of GAZPROM's private security companies into a full-fledged PMC.
Lukoil, Yandex, Tatneft, etc. are on the way?
Are corporations preparing to protect their wealth?
Against the backdrop of Shoigu's open quarrels with Prigogine, and the undercover fuss of other no less significant, but less well-known figures, one can draw an unconsoling conclusion: the prelude of the struggle for the Throne has begun.
Moreover, centrifugal, uncontrolled forces have already begun to cause tangible harm to our Motherland.
Either Prigozhin’s statement about the lack of ammunition (a sort of hello to Shoigu), then the mean resetting of the period of participation in the hostilities of the soldiers of the NM LDNR newly admitted to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, then the deputy who announced her refusal to compensate for pensions in the future (hello to Siluanov, who promised something there with an increase in pension age).

[synodontis]

The army and PMCs have a different approach to business: It's like it was in Soviet times: piecework and time work. The army sits on a temporary basis, and PMCs have a piecework. Therefore, the salary is higher, but it does not sit idle

[Arifon]

"Kadyrov announced his intention to compete with ... Prigozhin by creating his own PMC"
Competition is good, the main thing is that it does not turn into an armed confrontation

[VladMirU]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

It is logical to ask the question: what if the dough turns out to be more for someone who wants to hire for the war against Russia?

The United States has many times more dough than Russia. On which side are the Wagnerites fighting?

On our. Bye......

[VladMirU]

Quote: AA17

Under the dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie, all Armies are "bourgeois": let it be the army of the RF Ministry of Defense or the army of some kind of PMC. The essence of these armies is to protect the interests of those who pay them. The influence of the "simple" people on this bunch is not visible, it is negligible.

Perhaps you're right. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been ’91. The army would sweep away the drunkard president. She could temporarily take power into her own hands until normal elections.

[VladMirU]

Quote: Alexander X

review by Klim Zhukov and Remy Meisner

Quote: Alexander X

The PMC is a micro-model of the professional army that has been talked about so much. Well-trained professionals fighting for money, not mobilized fathers of families.

Mobilized fathers of families fight for the Motherland, family, and your “trained professionals” - for the money of the owner, the employer, who for the money will go against the Motherland (ours, not theirs).

[VladMirU]

Quote: AC130 Ganship

Well, I think it's started. Udmurtia, Transbaikalia, Kalmykia, Tula region. In fact, the Constitution says that it is prohibited by law.

HE IS THE LAW..

[Wanderer_GO]

All the same as with “civilian weapons”: prohibit, do not allow! What have we come to - bandits and “wealthy” people have weapons, the rest of the “scum” due to the financial “burden” are forced to get rid of them....
If the Defense Ministry is unable to adequately respond to the challenges of the time (due to its image desires), then there should be a PMC, and not only a land one...

[tsvetahaki]

In general, PMCs in special operations are an interesting question.
Abroad, it’s clear to get rid of the state.
But what is the point of PMCs when operating a regular army? These are not foreign mercenaries - it would be understandable why through PMCs. These are the same people who can serve in the army, who can be paid by the regular army...
Private payments? Where do they come from? From a contract? So the cost of a PMC is the amount of the contract (from the state, obviously, and from ours, not from Senegal) minus the profit of the managers (as in any business). That is, it is not economically profitable.
An option to attract fighters for money, because just like that (mobilization, conscription) there are not enough people and two armies are needed - for money and for duty to the fatherland?
PMCs as a recognition of the impossibility of restoring order in their army and an attempt to create an alternative? A very strange and bitter path.
So what is the essence of using PMCs next to your army?

[cash]

nope, no PMCs for this, otherwise the time of troubles begins, each region has its own army... then the Mongol-Tatar yoke again?

[flyer]

Amazing things with private PMCs, of course... In a country whose army, historically and in practice, was considered one of the strongest in the world, is now forced to take a back seat in comparison to PMCs... How the decisions of “effective” managers in the defense industry were controlled unknown at all...

[acetophenone]

2 Peter 2:22 But what happens to them is according to the true proverb: a dog returns to his vomit, and a pig that has been washed goes to wallow in the mud. ".

It is not the prince who feeds the squad, but the squad - the prince.