The Ukrainian military in Bakhmut suspected Wagner PMC of deliberately tactically maintaining control over one of the roads for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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The Ukrainian military in Bakhmut suspected Wagner PMC of deliberately tactically maintaining control over one of the roads for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

After the capture of the village of Paraskovievka by the Wagner fighters north of Artemovsk (Bakhmut), the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine located in the city is practically doomed to complete encirclement and subsequent destruction, as an option, surrender. All supply and retreat routes are either physically cut or are under close fire control of Russian artillery and army aviation.

At the same time, the Ukrainian command, following the political will of Zelensky, does not give orders to withdraw the militants remaining in Artemovsk. They are trying to establish the transfer of reserves and supplies by paving roads through frozen fields, but these areas are quickly detected by our reconnaissance and fall under artillery fire.



Against this background, interesting information is published by the Russian telegram channel "Wrong side of the military". It is reported that the Ukrainian military remaining in Artemivsk suspected Wagner PMC of deliberately maintaining control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over one of the roads. Thus, the “Wagnerites” are implementing tactics by which the Ukrainian command can continue to transfer all new reserves to the city. It is not known which route is in question. Probably, this is the road to Chasov Yar through Khromovo.

The complete encirclement of the city will be carried out at the moment when there will be as many Ukrainian forces as possible in the Bakhmut agglomeration. Thus, according to the Ukrainian military remaining in the city, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the defense of the city will be maximum.

Such a version, slightly conspiratorial at first glance, may well be plausible. Not without reason, in early February, the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin, commenting on Zelensky’s words about the need to keep the defense of Artemivsk at any cost, called on the Ukrainian president to prevent the surrender of the city to a private military structure. Otherwise, Prigozhin said, the Ukrainian people will not forgive him for this...

Later, Prigozhin said that the long-term defense of Artyomovsk, accompanied by heavy losses, forced the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to transfer all new reserves to the city, including removing combat-ready units from other sectors of the front. Earlier, it was repeatedly reported that the Ukrainian command was transferring, among other things, elite units from Western Ukraine to the Artemivsk region.
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  1. +28
    18 February 2023 13: 20
    So it is so clear. Especially for the enemy to burn reserves and reinforcements. Only with all the obviousness of such a tactical move, the trick is that the clown in Kuev still can no longer refuse the "bakhmut fortification". He became a hostage to his own balabolism and PR promotion of the defense. He can no longer withdraw troops or straighten the front line. For him, this is fraught with a loss of rating and trust of the population, as well as deprivation of the support of the West. And there is nothing new in this precisely for the same reason that Hitler could not recognize the loss of Stalingrad and ruined the army of Paulus there. He was also worried about the nerves of the burghers and the opinion of the Axis allies. And the result will be the same. In Artemovsk, the AFU will suffer irreparable losses in the sense that the units that were disheveled there will no longer be able to recover. And no matter what the cissus gilts squeak, all the new hastily mobilized meat is still a Volkssturm and not a regular army.
    1. +13
      18 February 2023 13: 45
      "For him, this is fraught with a loss of rating and public confidence"

      You seem to be naive or not smart.

      Look at a couple of channels on Ukrainian TV, and everything is the other way around. Coming out comrades in Bakhmut, dispose of Russian fighters by entire armies. And 99 percent of ukrov believe in it. What distrust of Zele are we talking about?
      1. +11
        18 February 2023 14: 05
        Quote: Mini Mokik
        "For him, this is fraught with a loss of rating and public confidence"

        You seem to be naive or not smart.

        Look at a couple of channels on Ukrainian TV, and everything is the other way around. Coming out comrades in Bakhmut, dispose of Russian fighters by entire armies. And 99 percent of ukrov believe in it. What distrust of Zele are we talking about?

        This is just propaganda "overcome" for dill. And who sees the realities, they think differently. They, too, are not all stupid, many go around, without pans, but in a hat.
        1. +8
          18 February 2023 14: 28
          There, those who are without pots, they sit at home and do not stick their noses out into the street, so as not to be dragged to the military enlistment office - I have already read their "revelations" several times on the censorship ...
          1. +11
            18 February 2023 14: 49
            And here the statement of Yevgeny Prigozhin: “Promotion is not going so fast, Bakhmut’s encirclement can be expected in March-April” suddenly sparkled with new colors
      2. old
        +18
        18 February 2023 14: 11
        Look at a couple of channels on Ukrainian TV, and everything is the other way around. Coming out comrades in Bakhmut, dispose of Russian fighters by entire armies. And 99 percent of ukrov believe in it. What distrust of Zele are we talking about?

        There are really a lot of videos about support for Zelensky by the Ukrainians in the cart. So far, this all reminds of a story about a goat that lives in a slaughterhouse and leads a batch of freshly arrived rams ... for slaughter.
        1. +7
          18 February 2023 17: 36
          The hoofheads are not alone in self-zombification, look at European politicians frenziedly beating drums and conjuring themselves with slogans that Russia will not win. No, never win! Never ever! The victory of Russia is not possible, because we will all be ass! No! No! No!
      3. +5
        18 February 2023 15: 04
        Telly telly, and the fascist thugs will take it and bang Zelya as soon as the trust rating drops. A wave will go, they say Zelya is a traitor. And there is no Zele.
        1. +5
          19 February 2023 09: 46
          Quote: Pavel_Sveshnikov
          Telly telly, and the fascist thugs will take it and bang Zelya as soon as the trust rating drops. A wave will go, they say Zelya is a traitor. And there is no Zele.

          Well, who will allow you! When Zelya survives his usefulness to the West alive, he will be subjected to a heroic martyrdom at the hands of supposedly orcs. And for some local fascist thugs to break the plans of serious uncles in serious countries - this is unrealistic. Rather, the thugs are also disposed of as crap for stuffing on a propaganda fan.
      4. +5
        19 February 2023 09: 05
        You seem to be naive or not smart.

        Just to blurt out something abstruse!
      5. 0
        20 February 2023 02: 06
        Every day they have news on which ours per day from 500 to 1000 dead, according to the statement of their General Staff. There was a joke at UNIAN. In the morning they write about 146000 killed "occupiers", and in the afternoon they, with reference to British intelligence, write about 60000 dead invaders, and all the rules)
      6. 0
        20 February 2023 13: 23
        Coming out comrades in Bakhmut, dispose of Russian fighters by entire armies. And 99 percent of ukrov believe in it. What distrust of Zele are we talking about?

        Firstly, there are not a couple of channels in Ukraine, but there is ONE channel for all. And few people are already watching it, since the majority of the population is sick of it. Of course, this does not mean that they suddenly realized something there and changed their views, they simply do not watch this "single channel". Trust in the same government and Zelensky is falling, and with all his might he is trying to raise it on PR and the grief of people. Biden's arrival is a brick there, although normal people understand that it will only hurt them more from Biden's arrival in the future.
    2. +7
      18 February 2023 13: 48
      Quote: voice of reason
      can withdraw troops or straighten the front line. For him, this is fraught with a loss of rating and trust of the population, as well as deprivation of the support of the West. And nothing in

      But, if you believe the reports, and VO too, then the West has long recommended to the clown that Artemovsk should be left.
      Quote: voice of reason
      And no matter what the cissus gilts squeak, all the new hastily mobilized meat is still a Volkssturm and not a regular army.

      Explain, pliz, what is a personnel army? For example, are our mobilized ones a regular army?
      By the way, this "Volkssturm" fights, maybe from a tactical point of view, it's illiterate, I don't know, but it's very brave and stubborn. In this connection, our fighters have a very difficult time.
      1. +16
        18 February 2023 14: 09
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        what is a cadre army? For example, are our mobilized - a regular army?

        These are mobilized and reservists, their profession is civilian specialties, and the personnel army, when their profession is army service. The Volkssturm does not fight, the remnants of the cadre and the stubborn continue to fight, and the secondary areas are the first to clog, from where the elite is removed for Bakhmut and its underground cities with the Soviet state reserve. Tracing paper with Azovstal, only even cooler. It is not easy for our fighters, but it is worse for the enemy. Ours are moving slowly in front of the fiery rampart, and they deliberately lure reinforcements into the rampart, as soon as attention is weakened, attack aircraft instantly fly into shell shock, shooting at point-blank range Banderiks who do not have time to orient themselves. The coordination of fire between artillery and attack aircraft is unthinkable, after the last arrival, in seconds, an attack fighter flies in. Hence the victims of the enemy. In Soledar, 20 were killed, with losses of a thousand. The meat grinder only goes to the peak and the benefit performance of the Solntsepeka, where the shelter does not save much.
    3. +2
      19 February 2023 20: 27
      "For him, this is fraught with a loss of rating and trust of the population" the fact is that the Accidentally Acting President (SIOP) does not solve anything. The country and its president have neither economic, nor political, nor diplomatic, nor military sovereignty. According to a fairy tale, he is in the “Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors” President Yagupop. His destiny is to puff out his cheeks and make a smart face. It is sad that many people die because of this.
  2. -12
    18 February 2023 13: 23
    What kind of nonsense? Children's tricks. Who are they counting on? Hope that now they will leave the road?
    1. old
      +5
      18 February 2023 14: 04
      What kind of nonsense? Children's tricks. Who are they counting on? Hope that now they will leave the road?

      Everything is correct! They should consider that this insidious Prigozhin was specifically trying to mislead them (what else to expect from these vile Russians, except for nasty things), which means that everything in Bakhmut should be done like this ...., as he said what
  3. +3
    18 February 2023 13: 24
    A slightly conspiratorial version at first glance, it may well be plausible. Not without reason, in early February, the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin, commenting on Zelensky’s words about the need to keep the defense of Artemivsk at any cost, called on the Ukrainian president to prevent the surrender of the city to a private military structure. Otherwise, Prigozhin said, the Ukrainian people will not forgive him for this...

    fiction and inventions of the author, it can simply be called a military trick ....
  4. +9
    18 February 2023 13: 25
    You can burn the APU on the remaining targeted road, or you can wait until the rat trap is full and close the lid.
    1. +7
      18 February 2023 14: 07
      Quote: Former soldier
      and you can wait until the rat trap is full and close the lid

      This is exactly what happens, which the author tried to convey to us.
  5. +8
    18 February 2023 13: 27
    It may well be. In general, apparently, our goal now is not to win tomorrow, but to grind into dust as much manpower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and mercenaries, as well as Western weapons.
    Why such tactics are needed is a separate conversation.
  6. +1
    18 February 2023 13: 29
    This is the “golden bridge” tactic, for example, M.I. Kutuzov provided Napoleon with a corridor for free withdrawal from Russia. It was important to maintain the combat effectiveness of PMCs for the future, and it can be very different.
  7. -8
    18 February 2023 13: 31
    Hardly...
    There just aren't enough ranged weapons.
    But only with machine guns and grenade launchers (the main weapon
    Wagner stormtroopers) it is dangerous to move forward strongly
    over open area. You can get hit by quadrics with grenades
    and under mortars.
    1. +22
      18 February 2023 13: 42
      Please don't talk about what you don't know! for example, the Wagners have the best ATGMs in the NWO! They have mortar gunners with experience from the Chechen campaign, everyone already knows about the air wing, there is a lot of news, there is also cannon artillery. BMPs are generally almost their native transport, more often they are used only by pickups with Zushki. , perhaps only tanks PMCs did not meet, and even then it’s not a fact that there are none. It's only the Sumerians, probably, who can think that the Wagners are convicts with machine guns!
      1. +4
        18 February 2023 14: 11
        the Orchestra has tanks. True, there are few and the 72nd mostly.
      2. Aag
        -3
        18 February 2023 21: 09
        "... the Wagners, for example, have the best ATGMs in the NVO! ..."
        Which ones? "Best" according to whom, based on what?...
        However, what am I ... - the "voice of reason" is almost always in the top line of comments, always with "spiritual uplifting" ...
        Maybe I would have been pleased with your "work" - if it were of high quality.
        And even better - sincere (I'm afraid - this is not possible) ....
    2. +5
      18 February 2023 16: 08
      Hey Warrior! Would you like to rave again? Do not stick any filth into yourself, it destroys the psyche!
    3. +4
      19 February 2023 02: 40

      voyaka uh (Alexey)
      Yesterday, 13: 31
      NEW
      -5
      Hardly...
      There just aren't enough ranged weapons.
      But only with machine guns and grenade launchers (the main weapon
      Wagner stormtroopers) it is dangerous to move forward strongly
      over open area. You can get hit by quadrics with grenades
      and under mortars.
      and again another stupid stuffing. How much matzah in grams was given out for such a post? laughing
  8. +4
    18 February 2023 13: 54
    Not exactly the same, but I had suspicions on a more or less similar topic. And about Artyomovsk in particular, and about the entire NWO in general. We simply grind manpower and equipment in a place convenient for us.

    But I didn’t write, because why throw ideas? Well, now, since the Ukrainians themselves write about it, then this is already an open secret and it makes no sense to breed secrecy further.

    Here one comrade writes in the comments that the Ukrainians say that they are grinding the Muscovites near Bakhmut. But this is not the worst option. The most if BOTH sides write the truth. And in Fashington, sweaty paws are quite rubbed .... :(
    1. +3
      19 February 2023 16: 57
      It is hard to believe that the Ukrainians are grinding. Painfully strange grind. Sitting almost surrounded by artillery fire. The Brest Fortress, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Sevastopol did not grind anyone in their time. The goal is to stop the attack. And it is logical, the promised tanks have not arrived yet. Is the game worth the candle for them? I think they miscalculated
  9. +2
    18 February 2023 14: 09
    Earlier, it was repeatedly reported that the Ukrainian command was transferring, among other things, elite units from Western Ukraine to the Artemivsk region.
    Can you tell me about these "elite units" - are these the Nazis who mocked and shot civilians in Donbas since 2014? What is their elitism - in lawlessness and impunity?
    1. +6
      18 February 2023 14: 26
      One way or another, they are experienced professionals, their elitism against the background of the mobilized, who were grabbed on the street. Faced with the Wagnerites, they are worthless.
  10. +9
    18 February 2023 14: 15
    Under this topic, Prigozhin said that they say there is not enough ammunition for artillery, so that the Ukrainians would import ammunition and meat to Bakhmut, hoping to hold on. It looks like everything is shot through and everything is under control.
    1. +3
      18 February 2023 15: 11
      The same thought crept in after today's article. In general, the fog of war is continuous.
    2. +2
      19 February 2023 17: 00
      Where are the shells going to be? They go on and on. It is clear now why they do not have enough shells. In other directions, they did not seem to complain. Although in Avdiivka and Vugledar they also collapsed as if from an oak tree. They all decided to die together. You can't save shells
  11. +2
    18 February 2023 15: 04
    Rather, they just take hours for a long time, so they would leave their roads across the field and shoot them in the same way.
  12. 0
    18 February 2023 18: 49
    publishes the Russian telegram channel "Wrong side of the military"

    makes statements on behalf of the Ukrainian military?
    What you can't read online these days...
    I wonder who they are for?
  13. 0
    18 February 2023 19: 20
    A subtle hint from "Wagner" that they leave Bakhmut (Artemovsk) along the remaining road while there is an opportunity. To go out to the sun, as in Mariupol they tried to go out, it definitely won’t work.
  14. 0
    18 February 2023 20: 45
    elite units from Western Ukraine.
    What it is?
    Are there any special troops in Western Ukraine? Are they not part of the Armed Forces? Or are they specially prepared? Immortals? Or will they not be captured by the wounded, but will they shoot themselves? And how will the heavy ones shoot themselves? There are the same soldiers. Only enemy soldiers.
    What kind of horror story is journalistic about "elite units from Western Ukraine?"
  15. +1
    18 February 2023 22: 10
    Quote: hrych
    Ours are moving slowly in front of the fiery rampart, and they deliberately lure reinforcements into the rampart, as soon as attention is weakened, attack aircraft instantly fly into shell shock, shooting at point-blank range Banderiks who do not have time to orient themselves. The coordination of fire between artillery and attack aircraft is unthinkable, after the last arrival, in seconds, an attack fighter flies in. Hence the victims of the enemy. In Soledar, 20 were killed, with losses of a thousand. The meat grinder only goes to the peak and the benefit performance of the Solntsepeka, where the shelter does not save much.

    Correctly written! Wagner's tactic is to work on the shoulders of the enemy. And the main secret of success is quick decision making. In MO, this is a priori impossible. On another branch, I gave an example with Nikolaev at the beginning of the SVO, when the authorities thought for an hour, and the enemy hit the Russian troops standing in an open field. As a result, we rolled back and could not return to those lines ...
  16. +1
    18 February 2023 22: 34
    It is difficult to evaluate from the sofa, but in order for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to run from Artyomovsk, throwing equipment, you need to take Chasov Yar. As well as to take Ugledar, it is necessary to control the mines and both terikons, to the north of the town, about 2 km. There is no residential development on the therikons, room for artillery. So far, the operation is developing according to the Severodonetsk scenario.
  17. -1
    19 February 2023 00: 13
    Wagner's tactics are simple and understandable - they spied on our smaller brothers
  18. -1
    19 February 2023 09: 06
    It's funny. And a week ago, and here, they wrote about the transfer of troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Bakhmut to the Ugledar region. So the Armed Forces of Ukraine are withdrawing troops from there or not?
    1. 0
      19 February 2023 17: 10
      They transferred them from Bakhmut to Ugledar. And from Slavyansk to Bakhmut. And to Slavyansk from Zaporozhye and Kharkov. And so in a circle. Some kind of nativity scene
  19. +1
    19 February 2023 19: 49
    Of course, I'm special in another profile, but here, in my opinion, everything is simpler. Let's say they surrounded Bakhmut, it turns out that then it is necessary to work on two fronts, on the one hand they will try to unblock, and those surrounded for a breakthrough! I don't think it will be great for us. And so the effect of corralling on wolves, overlaid around the perimeter and driven. Those who want to help are actually targets in the field, everything is shot! Yes, and Prigozhin also said something about his "misfortune" about the lack of BC for a reason! We have also grown wiser now, now they are on the contrary climbing without a head, as we were at the beginning!
  20. 0
    19 February 2023 22: 19
    It sounds great, but it is always difficult to distinguish between "the insidious plans of the Russians" and "waste to more advantageous frontiers." Obviously, any situation can be interpreted diametrically differently.
    When they left Kherson, there was also a version that we would launch the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the city and feast on everyone at once. And in the end it turned out the way it did.
    I hope that this time everything will be resolved as much as possible in our favor.
  21. -1
    20 February 2023 01: 22
    Yes, hardly. According to Rybar, "Southwest of Bakhmut, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to push back Russian units from the Bakhmut-Konstantinovka highway: the fighting took place on the outskirts of the road." Rubilovo goes for every house there, and if ours could saddle the road, they would do it.
  22. 0
    20 February 2023 10: 27
    Yes, this "mountain flower" went through the forest. If you google, who is not lazy, the conversation between Prigogine and Basurin, that's where VERY FAT AND DIRTY ..lower back looms.
  23. GMV
    0
    20 February 2023 11: 55
    They suspected recourse our PMC)
    Too well thought out - Their business is not to think and call, but to follow Zely's orders and .. fly off crying goodbye non-brothers
  24. +2
    21 February 2023 22: 56
    By the way. Today, the media voiced one phrase by Prigozhin, which he allegedly uttered in the heat of a controversy with Shoigu. The EB said: "My guys are dying by the hundreds every day, and you...". If this is not a fake, then you yourself understand ... IMHO, all this talk about a specially abandoned road to Chasov Yar, etc. are not worth a penny. The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has long shown themselves to be quite pragmatic and not timid people, moreover, obeying orders, perhaps not even very literate. We can say that these are the same Germans in the Second World War. Only also supported by the most powerful economic and military bloc. Yes, they make mistakes, like us, learn from them, like us, fight hard. And it is necessary to evaluate our successes only from the number of settlements taken and nothing else. In the Second World War, there were no such reports in the Information Bureau reports: "The N-th battalion advanced 500 meters and took up more advantageous positions."
  25. 0
    22 February 2023 16: 03
    Western ranks go smiling, mouth to ear, everything is fine.
    Russians kill Russians, and even pay for it themselves. The dream came true.
    It's like if the Americans were at war with England .....
    1. 0
      22 February 2023 17: 20
      Better with Canada, there are more Bandera.
  26. 0
    22 February 2023 17: 19
    Musicians cannot be denied either courage or intelligence.
  27. 0
    25 February 2023 14: 26
    Boilers are very necessary and effective for demilitarization