How to be a modern machine

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How to be a modern machine


Translator's note. Translation of the article Braut der Soldaten ("The Soldier's Bride" is a slang term for rifles given by German soldiers, something like "our wives are guns loaded"), published in the German gun magazine Deutsche Waffenjournal N4-2022. This article continues what was started by the German weapons magazine" a series of materials on the future of small arms, opened with an essay "Firepower in hand. What to be a modern machine gun».
Author: Franz Keck.
Translation: Slug_BDMP.




The scandal associated with the G36 assault rifle, the protracted search for its successor, the American NGSW program again highlighted the topic of the assault rifle / assault rifle - a generalized individual weapon of a soldier. DWJ took the liberty of expressing his opinion on this subject.

A rifle (automatic) is the personal weapon of every soldier that accompanies him in war and exercises 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. A kind of personal attachment develops between the soldier and the rifle. This is especially true for infantrymen and military personnel of related branches of the armed forces. The nickname "soldier's bride", developed by the American Major General Rupertus during the Second World War, the American Marine Corps' Gunner's Creed, or the names that soldiers give to their weapons, is the best proof of this. This attitude persists to this day, although not in such a formalized form. Rifles now do not go through the rite of "baptism", and the "Archer's Creed" is no longer memorized.

Since at least the First World War, small arms and the skills of ordinary shooters have not been decisive for the outcome of the war. In the conflict of states, as the events unfolding in Ukraine and Nagorno-Karabakh show, the main role is played by the massive use of modern technology, supplies, the latest technologies, for example Dronesand the ability to defend against them. In peacekeeping operations, the main thing is a well-thought-out strategy and its effective implementation.

Why is so much attention paid to the qualities of individual weapons in this case? Because their survival and the outcome of small clashes that occur without the use of heavy weapons systems depend on these weapons and the ability of the fighters to handle them. The properties of the weapon and the skills of the soldier mutually influence each other. The well-thought-out design of the weapon greatly facilitates the life of the one who constantly carries it on himself and serves it. An effective and reliable weapon not least determines the self-confidence of the fighters.

Modern developments


Before we start thinking about the ideal machine gun, let's take a look at the current state and current developments of this type of weapon.

The Bundeswehr, at least for now, has relied on the NK416A8 in 5,56x45 caliber, following the fashion for AR-style weapons, but with a gas exhaust system with a piston. In general, NK416A8 is in demand among the armed forces of many countries. After it was put into service in the army of Norway and in various special forces of the world, the army of France, the German KSK, and soon, perhaps, the entire Bundeswehr will join this company.

Also, the US Marine Corps has been using the HK2010 as a "light support weapon" since 416, and since 2018 it has made it its standard weapon. But in the future there are plans to switch to the NGSW family of weapons. It includes a rifle, an automatic rifle, a light machine gun and an aiming system consisting of an optical sight of variable magnification (x1–8), a ballistic computer and a laser rangefinder. The NGSW family of weapons uses a new 6,8 mm caliber cartridge with a muzzle velocity of 900 m/s. The task of the developers also included the creation of a cartridge 20% lighter than conventional cartridges of a similar caliber.

Sig Sauer opted for a brass cased cartridge with a steel base and an AR style rifle. Competitors Textron and General Dynamics are working on polymer-cased cartridges and futuristic-looking weapons. Tests are in full swing, and the first units should be re-equipped with new models in 2022. (The article was written and published before the announcement of the decision on the NGSW program. - Approx. Translator).

Russia does not seem to see the need for a radical change in the concept of small arms. As part of the Ratnik program, the AK-12 5,45x39 caliber assault rifle was adopted, which is, in fact, a modernized AK-74.

Machine?


The cartridge chosen for the weapons of the NGSW program gives rise to another thought: will the infantryman's weapon of the future be an automatic / assault rifle at all? This cartridge in its parameters approximately corresponds to the 7,62x51 NATO cartridges. And an army weapon of this class in the English-speaking environment is called Battle rifle - a word that has no analogue in German (and in Russian. - Approx. Translator). It includes samples from K98, M1 Garand to NK G3 and FN SCAR-H. In contrast, weapons chambered in the 5,56x54 / 7,62x39 class are called assault rifles / submachine guns / Assault rifle.

They first appeared in Germany during World War II. The first weapon of this class was the Stgw 44 rifle. The German gunsmiths were faced with the task of creating a relatively light and compact automatic weapon, which was to become a massive infantry weapon. It was supposed to ensure both the defeat of single shots of point targets, and automatic suppression fire, to become a kind of "machine gun for everyone."

To ensure sufficient control over the weapon during automatic firing, as well as to keep its mass and size within acceptable limits, the 7,92x33 cartridge had to be developed, which laid the foundation for a whole class of ammunition - intermediate cartridges. These include samples such as 5,56x45, .300 AAC Blackout, 6,8 Remington SPC, 6,5 Grendel, 5,45x39, 7,62x39. Apparently, the NGSW program means the rebirth of the Battle rifle in the United States. But let's leave the issue of ammunition for now. This topic requires a separate large material.

Regardless of the caliber, the design of small arms plays an important role: they must be ergonomic, accurate, reliable and, to a certain extent, modular.

Specific requirements


Against the background of the understanding that infantry weapons must be reliable, accurate and modular, the issue of ease of use often remains in the background. It is neither the main topic of official debate, nor the decisive argument in deciding whether to adopt a model. In fact, convenience is one of the most important qualities of a weapon. It is closely related to the conditions in which the weapon is used. At the same time, military and civilian samples cannot be mixed.

The only situation in which a civilian shooter uses the full potential of a weapon under stress is in dynamic shooting competitions. In this case, the stress is created by limiting the time to complete the exercise and your own desire for success. The soldier is different. He must confidently use his weapon in difficult natural conditions, in a state of physical and moral fatigue, under the fire of the enemy, or even being wounded. This is a matter of life and death.

The approach to preparation also differs. The ambitious athlete spends a lot of time training at the range or at the shooting range. In the army, however, anyone who served knows this, most of the time allotted for firearms training is spent waiting for their turn, issuing cartridges ... The only exception is various special forces.

The frequency and intensity of the use of weapons also differ. A civilian athlete spends only a small part of the time with a weapon. And this is rarely associated with great physical exertion. A soldier, even in peacetime, during exercises, does not part with his rifle for weeks. He eats with her, sleeps, goes through long forced marches. That is why the small weight and dimensions, ease of disassembly and cleaning are of paramount importance. In addition, these qualities reduce the time required to train new recruits.

"Do it for fools!"


A good help to achieve user convenience is the "KISS principle" formulated by Lockheed Martin Skunk Works Chief Engineer Kelly Johnson. In the original, this means: KISS - Keep it simple stupid, which can be roughly translated as "do for fools" - no need for unnecessary complexity. The AR system, developed around the same time, can be considered an example of a violation of this principle, while the earlier created AK-47 is an example of the KISS principle.

At the same time, it must be remembered that the AR-15 was undoubtedly a revolutionary weapon that determined the path of development of the entire class of assault rifles / machine guns for decades to come and, thanks to its progressive architecture, it still retains the potential for development. At the same time, AK, mainly due to the difficulties of installing optics, is outdated.

What we have?




Time-tested, but not perfect.

Modernized under the IdZ program, the G36 submachine gun has largely lost its ergonomics. The same can be said about the new AK variants. For their time, both of these systems were ideal. They still retain their dignity. But their original architecture provides only limited opportunities for adaptation to new conditions. The main disadvantage is the difficult installation of optics.



The AR-15 system has revolutionized gunsmithing. Despite all its shortcomings, AR is the best base for creating a modern machine.

It is impossible to consider in detail all the available samples of automata, and this is not necessary. Therefore, we will focus on the advantages and disadvantages of three: AK, AR and G36.

The strengths of AR are excellent ergonomics, modularity and high accuracy. AR is great for mounting optics, which largely determined its long life. In addition, it is more compact than competitors, which also makes AR more user-friendly.

However, AR has some technical solutions that seemed controversial even 60 years ago. These include a large number of small parts, as well as an excessive number of controls. First of all, this is the T-shaped reloading handle and the cartridge rammer located right in front of the arrow’s face, which is stationary when firing. The handle does not allow you to pull the shutter in the state of application, which is necessary when eliminating the delay. The rammer - attached in the process of refinement, and even the left part - serves to forcefully close the shutter of heavily contaminated weapons, and if the situation requires, then to silently close it.

The aforementioned reload handle and rammer can be called reference examples of “how not to do it”. In addition, the return spring located in the buttstock does not allow the buttstock to be folded, which complicates the life of soldiers moving on vehicles (and in our time this applies to almost everyone).

It is impossible not to mention the AR gas exhaust system, in which powder gases enter directly into the receiver. Many modern AR clones have replaced this with a more reliable short stroke gas piston system. It is also better suited for the use of tactical silencers.

Almost all modern AR models have a free-floating barrel, while the forearm is rigidly fixed to the receiver, and it can only be removed with a special tool. This makes cleaning difficult. In addition, the need to remove and reinstall the forend affects the point of impact, since it is equipped with a front sight and, possibly, a laser designator.

In contrast to AR, Kalashnikov assault rifles have fewer parts and are much easier to disassemble. A removable cover greatly facilitates the cleaning of the inside of the receiver from the remnants of gunpowder. The number of controls is minimal, and they are made quite large, which helps a lot in a state of stress.

However, in AK the idea of ​​simplification is taken to the extreme. There are no two-way controls here, to disable the safety you need to remove your hand from the handle, which slows down this process. Attaching a store is also not very convenient and takes too much time.

In general, the AK architecture can be considered outdated. There is no question of any modularity. Of course, adaptability can also be taken to extremes and the machine can be weighted "everything-everything". Nevertheless, the ability to install the necessary additional equipment increases the combat capabilities of a soldier. The installation of optical and optoelectronic sights on the AK is possible only on the side bar, which is not very convenient. The installation of laser designators on the forearm is also out of the question.

Now there are various tuning kits, including a handguard with seats, covers with Picatinny rails, but all this makes the machine bulky and upsets the balance. Therefore, this can be considered only a temporary solution for poor African or former socialist countries.

The G36 concept is an interesting attempt to find a middle way. This is a modern, one might even say, futuristic weapon that combines the best elements of AK and AR and many original solutions. The result is perhaps the most convenient weapon of all. The short stroke gas engine and butterfly valve are extremely simple. For disassembly, you only need to pull out three pins. All parts are large, grippy and durable. Despite the fact that everything that is possible and impossible is made of plastic, the rifle is very durable. It is pleasant to hold it in your hands, even in the heat, even in the cold.

The universal rule for the execution of controls is only what is necessary and nothing more. G36 fully meets these requirements. Controls are accessible for both hands, conveniently located, grippy. The shutter release button is located in the trigger guard. The magazine latch is made similarly to AK. The fuse, on the contrary, resembles that of the AR. It is two-way, three-position: on, single fire, automatic fire. The angle between the extreme positions is 90 degrees.

The cocking handle can be bent both to the right and to the left, which makes it equally accessible for both right-handers and left-handers. In addition, it can be fixed in a bent position to be used as a rammer.

The main drawback of the G36 is the limited possibility of modernization. The stock with a cocking handle located on top of the receiver makes it difficult to install optics. Installing laser designators on the forend is also unreliable. Modernization attempts under the Infantry of the Future (IdZ) program look like a handicraft, turning a light and compact machine gun into a clumsy bandura.

Ideal Infantry Weapon


What should a good infantry rifle be capable of?

First of all, its accuracy should ensure the defeat of a growth target at a distance of 500 meters, including automatic fire. Its ammunition must have sufficient power and at the same time ensure the controllability of weapons when firing bursts. Depending on the concept of application - Battle rifle or machine gun - preference is given in the first case to power, in the second - to controllability.

The best basis for creating the “ideal infantry weapon” is the AR-15 platform, but with some changes.

A necessary attribute of modern weapons is a silencer or closed-type DTK - it improves weapon control, makes it difficult for the enemy to detect the shooter, does not harm the hearing organs of others, and also facilitates communication in battle.

The most important quality of weapons is reliability and resistance to pollution and harsh environmental conditions.

Resistance to pollution is provided by three factors. First, it is necessary to prevent the penetration of dirt, dust and moisture into the weapon. But sooner or later it will still be clogged with external dirt and combustion products of gunpowder. For reliable operation of automation in these conditions, the contact area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe shutter with the receiver should be minimal. This can be achieved by making grooves on the bolt carrier. A gas regulator helps in such cases, increasing the volume of gases entering the gas engine.

Undoubtedly, the simplest, most reliable and easy to maintain is the gas exhaust system with a long piston stroke, where the piston is a single part with the bolt carrier. The most famous example where this system is used is AK.

A folding stock must be mandatory, so placing a return spring in it is undesirable. Adjustment of the butt in length and height is not required. The author's personal experience suggests that soldiers almost never use these opportunities.

The best material for making the upper part of the receiver - the upper receiver (upper receiver) - is aluminum. Steel is too heavy and plastic - G36 experience has shown that this is not the best choice.

The lower part of the receiver - the lower receiver (lower receiver) - can be fearlessly made of plastic. The fact that the metal upper and plastic lower parts of the receiver are well combined was proved by the What Would Stoner Do project of the InRangeTV channel. This is also evidenced by the quarter-century experience of military operation of the G36. Even with small, but highly loaded parts, such as a folding butt mechanism or some USM parts, there were no problems. In addition, plastic is lighter and cheaper. And holding plastic in the cold is more comfortable than metal.

For reliable installation of mechanical and optical sights, laser designators on Picatinny rails and M-LOK standard seats, the upper receiver and the upper part of the forearm must be a single part. At the same time, it should be possible to quickly install and remove the barrel. Examples of this design are the SIG MCX, Zastava MSC M19 and Beretta PMX. The Picatinny rail on top of the upper receiver and the M-LOK seats at 3 and 9 o'clock seem to be sufficient for attaching critical devices such as sights.

At the same time, elements such as a bipod or a front handle can be attached to the lower, removable part of the forearm. Easy access to the internal mechanisms of the weapon for cleaning and maintenance should be provided by a quick-detachable lower receiver connected to the upper only by pins.

We have already talked about the problem of the cocking lever on the AR platform. For this part, you need to choose a more convenient place. It must be accessible to both hands of the shooter and, if necessary, perform the task of the rammer. There are several options. One of them is a right-to-left shiftable handle that moves when fired, like on the BT APC223 or FN SCAR. This is a simple and reliable solution. However, American soldiers using the FN SCAR complain that the handle mounted on the left, when moving backward, injures the left hand of the right-handed shooter, while the handle on the right is dangerous for the left-hander. In addition, the handle is set too high, and when cocked, the shooter touches the optics mounted on the weapon with his hand.

A more complex solution, which, however, does not have the above disadvantages, is a handle that is stationary when firing, as on the NK433.

A combination of both options is also possible - a fixed handle on the left and rigidly connected to the bolt frame on the right. This seems like a good solution. It does not require rearrangement of the handle for right- and left-handed shooters.

The best solution for a magazine lock is a magazine latch located between the trigger guard and the magazine receiver, as on the AK and G36. It's secure, XNUMX-handed, and doesn't have the quirks of a two-way button like the AR. American soldiers also criticized the FN SCAR for the fact that there were cases of involuntary loss of the magazine, when, when carrying weapons on the chest, the magazine button touched, for example, some piece of equipment placed on the chest.

By analogy with the magazine latch, the placement of the slide delay from below suggests itself, as on the G36 or NK433. Thus, involuntary impact on it is excluded and accessibility for both hands is ensured.

We have already mentioned the convenience of using weapons in cramped conditions. This is provided by a folding stock.

Weight loss is also important. A good example of how this can be achieved is provided by Ian McCollum and Carl Casarda with the WWSD2020 rifle. It is very strong and reliable and weighs only 2 kg. Of course, our “ideal assault rifle” cannot be so light, if only because of the semi-monolithic upper receiver, but still fit into 3 kilograms (without cartridges and body kit) for a 5,56x45 caliber assault rifle and 3,5 kg for a Battle rifle seems possible.

The length of the barrel should correspond to the ammunition used and ensure the maximum disclosure of its potential. The barrel must not be shorter than 14 inches, otherwise the effective range will drop too much. The optimal size is 16 inches. 18 inches seems like overkill, given the possible use of a tactical silencer. For Battle rifles, 16 inches is the lower limit.

Mandatory is the presence of a mechanical sight as an auxiliary. Which optical sights to prefer depends on the task at hand. Non-enlarging sights, such as collimators, ensure reliable hitting of a growth target at a distance of 200-300 meters. At longer distances, magnifying sights are more effective. In close combat, the increase interferes.

Practice shows that the infantry mainly fights in cities, in the forest, on very rugged terrain. Shooting distances do not exceed 300 meters. This means that the speed of target acquisition is more important. And in this case, the optimal combination of a collimator sight with a folding magnifying nozzle, which allows you to fire at long distances.

A backup mechanical sight allows you to check the aiming point after, for example, the weapon has been dropped.

However, there are scenarios where the clashes occur at long distances, as was the case in Afghanistan. Here priority should be given to accurate long-range shooting. The best choice in this case is a variable power optical sight, such as the Trijicon VCOG 1-8x28, adopted by the US Marine Corps, or the Bundeswehr's ELCAN Specter 1x/4x. But even in this case it is impossible to refuse an additional collimator. At distances up to 100 meters, it is unrivaled and harmonizes well with night vision goggles.


FN SCAR-H rifle with one of the best "automatic" sights Elcan Specter DR 1x/4x. Currently, this sight is accepted for the supply of the Bundeswehr


Riflescope Trijicon VCOG

Interesting developments of optical sights with rangefinders and ballistic computers. But this is more likely a solution for infantry snipers, and not for ordinary shooters.

Electron-optical sighting systems such as the Elbit ARCAS (Assault RifleCombat Application System) or the BAE System FWS-1, which is undergoing military trials in the US Army, can revolutionize night combat.


Devices for combat at night Elbit ARCAS and BAE System FWS-1

There are many options for all occasions.

Things like light and laser designators are very useful in urban combat, but using them against an enemy equipped with night vision (such as the Russian army) is dangerous, as they give away the location of the shooter. The same danger is represented by the glare of optics. They need to be dealt with with killFLASH anti-glare attachments.

Conclusions


Hand-held small arms do not currently decide the outcome of wars, but nevertheless, its role cannot be overestimated. This is a constant companion and the last chance for soldiers fighting directly on the front lines. Therefore, those responsible for the supply of the armed forces and the military industry are obliged to provide the fighters with a reliable and well-designed tool.

Currently, two families of small arms dominate the world: AK and AR, and therefore this class of weapons should develop along the path of their modernization and combining the successful solutions of these two systems.
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  1. +21
    21 February 2023 04: 07
    A classic Western article, where the author lies from the first lines. Firstly, he wrote in the first lines, not an AR rifle, but "in the style of AR", and it is the design that needs to be understood - with a completely different scheme. But it was Stoner's scheme that proved TOTAL incompetence, became outdated and, in fact, went out of circulation. It is because of the return spring in the butt and excessive demands on cartridges and sensitivity to contamination. Well, overcomplicated. I even had to "bury the stewardess" in the mattresses, despite the fact that they did everything as usual through w, adopting a deliberately structurally degraded version - M4))) However, their own specialists sent Stoner zombies into the bolt and switched to Heckler with a normal gas outlet tube and folding butt.
    The heresy about the impossibility of installing optics on AK is precisely heresy, because both the dovetail is quite working, and Picatinny is put quite, especially on modern series. The modularity of reality is not in demand by anyone - name an army in which there are three barrels for each rifle.
    In short, another thoroughly false order. Tired, by God.
    1. +1
      21 February 2023 07: 53
      Judging by the open statistics of recent conflicts, the defeat of the enemy by small arms is far from in the first place, for example, about 80% of losses from artillery. From this one conclusion and one question:
      1. Small arms in modern combat are not decisive and do not make a decisive contribution to victory.
      2. What is the use of all these stray things (laser ballistic computer, optics, etc.) if there are so many videos where fighters shoot from AK, G36, AR on outstretched arms without aiming at all?
      1. +3
        21 February 2023 09: 01
        Quote: Civil
        Judging by the open statistics of recent conflicts, the defeat of the enemy by small arms is far from in the first place, for example, about 80% of losses from artillery

        There are no such statistics. If the MTR is fighting, as usual with the Americans, they are not entitled to artillery at all.
        Quote: Civil
        Small arms in modern combat are not decisive and do not make a decisive contribution to victory.

        Normal armies do not engage in "modern combat". More precisely, they have combined arms combat operations once every 20 years, and business trips with shootings all the time.
        Quote: Civil
        if there are so many videos where fighters shoot from AK, G36, AR on outstretched arms without aiming at all?

        Dupakam did not write a charter. A well-trained fighter knows how to use the opportunities that he has in the best possible way.
        1. +2
          21 February 2023 09: 41
          There are no such statistics. If the MTR is fighting, as usual with the Americans, they are not entitled to artillery at all.

          There are statistics - Yandex to help. The article did not talk about weapons for the MTR, this is completely different. It was about general combat.
          Normal armies do not engage in "modern combat". More precisely, they have combined arms combat operations once every 20 years, and business trips with shootings all the time.

          Here we have just now - "once in 20 years" goes. What is it about.
          Dupakam did not write a charter. A well-trained fighter knows how to use the opportunities that he has in the best possible way.

          There is a dense fire from the enemy by all means. Read, almost the same thing happened in WWII.
          1. +1
            21 February 2023 09: 57
            Quote: Civil
            There are statistics - Yandex to help

            By Vietnam.
            Quote: Civil
            It was about general combat.

            Combined arms combat performed by the current Bundeswehr.
            Quote: Civil
            Here we have just now - "once in 20 years" goes.

            The activities of the RF Ministry of Defense is a separate conversation. What kind of picattini are there, for a start, they would start issuing cartridges to soldiers.
            Quote: Civil
            There is a dense fire from the enemy by all means. Read, almost the same thing happened in WWII.

            There, the infantry is generally better not to stick out. However, normal people do not conclude from this that infantry is not needed.
      2. -1
        21 February 2023 18: 46
        A ballistic computer would fit an RPG ... but, apparently, nowhere and nowhere ...
      3. +1
        21 February 2023 20: 28
        2. What is the use of all these stray things (laser ballistic computer, optics, etc.) if there are so many videos where fighters shoot from AK, G36, AR on outstretched arms without aiming at all?

        And someone takes aim, there are different situations. Well, I think, anyone would prefer to have a conditional collimator, and not mechanics, for example, on a rifle weighing 3, not 4 kg, which also works stably.
        1. -2
          6 May 2023 17: 10
          Quote: LastPS
          Well, I think anyone would prefer to have a conditional collimator, and not mechanics, for example, on a rifle weighing 3, not 4 kg

          That's it. I would look at the face of the AK patriot's face after firing from the G-36, when the built-in day / night 3x sight in the handle and the almost absence of recoil allow you to cover the target very accurately and far, even in bursts. The problem of the G36 is in connecting the barrel with a plastic casing, which, when used brutally in Kalashiv style, began to melt and the barrel began to lead to the side. The more expensive XK416 does not have such problems. But in general, the G-36 has an excellent price-quality ratio and can be effective in capable hands.
      4. 0
        1 March 2023 19: 16
        Quote: Civil
        What is the use of all these stray things (laser ballistic computer, optics, etc.) if there are so many videos where fighters shoot from AK, G36, AR on outstretched arms without aiming at all?

        A ballistic computer and a laser rangefinder are for the 6,8 mm Sig Sauer complex.
        You can’t shoot from it with outstretched arms. Recoil is annoying. hi
      5. TIR
        0
        April 19 2023 20: 23
        To get to the shooting battle, you need to go through air raids, howitzer shelling, fight off kamikaze drones, advance under the explosions of high-explosive tank shells, take cover from mines and grenades from automatic grenade launchers. Even when all the circles have been completed, you can shoot from a machine gun. Well, or in urban battles to meet at a short distance. Here, the shooting battle is already taken as a basis. Therefore, I think you need to have an assault rifle. And there the main thing is already lethal force and capacious stores. The density of the fire decides. No one will give tactical positions of arms and legs to do
    2. +2
      21 February 2023 09: 10
      Quote from Bingo
      not an AR rifle, but "AR style",

      In the modern press, all schemes with upper / lower are called ARs.
      Quote from Bingo
      switched to Heckler with a normal vapor tube and a folding butt.

      Not a tube, but a piston. Yes, through the efforts of the Germans, this scheme has become essentially the standard.
      Quote from Bingo
      their own specialists sent stoner zombies into the bolt and switched to heckler

      Marines. MTR has Belgian SCARs, sort of. You can't follow them though.
      Quote from Bingo
      In short, another thoroughly false order

      The usual relatively literate Murzilka. By the standards of the current VO, a solid four.
      1. +3
        21 February 2023 11: 39
        Quote: Negro
        In the modern press, all schemes with upper / lower are called ARs.

        Complete nonsense, because you described the Sturmgever-44 and a bunch of plastic children's toys at once. It is with Stoner's scheme ...
      2. 0
        22 February 2023 19: 48
        Quote: Negro
        In the modern press, all schemes with upper / lower are called ARs.

        Yes lana! Why not Gever? SturmGeverm, for example.
        Quote: Negro
        Yes, through the efforts of the Germans, this scheme has become essentially the standard.

        Who has this scheme become the standard? Maybe the Czechs with their Bren, or the Belgians with the FN2000 or SCAR?
        Quote: Negro
        Marines. MTR has Belgian SCARs, sort of. You can't follow them though.

        Yes, you can't keep track of it ... The SCAR of the "L" type (under 5,56x45mm) has been thrown into the trash for several years (if not a decade ago). They left only the "heavy" version under 7,62x51mm. And yes, they returned to the good old M4 (special version).
        Quote: Negro
        The usual relatively literate Murzilka.

        Murzilka - oh yes! Competent - no!
        1. +1
          23 February 2023 12: 26
          Quote: DesToeR
          why not Gever?

          Because ARKO. The Americans do not care about this stormtrooper of yours, and the sales of assault rifles are made by the Americans.
          Quote: DesToeR
          Who has this scheme become the standard?

          First with the Americans, then with the Germans themselves. In principle, such hybrids, an arch with a piston, can now be found in anyone.
          Quote: DesToeR
          They left only the "heavy" version under 7,62x51mm.

          Now they will convert it to 6.5 Creedmoor. Actually, they remake everything for Creedmoor: assault rifle, machine gun and sharpshooter rifl. An interim solution, until the issue is resolved with .277 furi.
          And 6.5 Creedmoor is a very serious cartridge.
          Quote: DesToeR
          Murzilka - oh yes! Competent - no!

          There is no Russian leader-priest Stalin - this is already good.
    3. +2
      22 February 2023 15: 08
      I agree that the article is another attempt to sleep on AK. But there is one common thought. The weapon should be simple and convenient, I’ll add cheap on my own (in the sense you can stamp it quickly and a lot). The good old AK is just a weapon of war, simple, reliable, convenient. And for specialists, it's full of exclusives and "manual assembly". The training of the shooter is also important here - AK is easy to master.
      1. 0
        23 February 2023 12: 37
        Quote: Master2030
        another attempt to sniff on the AK

        No one is trying to "sleep on the AK." For the simple reason that AK has long been of no interest to anyone, except for blacks in Africa.
        Quote: Master2030
        I’ll add from myself, cheap (in the sense you can stamp quickly and a lot)

        No. You no longer have soldiers to quickly and many. And no one has.
        Quote: Master2030
        The good old AK is just a weapon of war, simple reliable convenient

        Reliable back and forth (but not everyone is satisfied with the price that bought this reliability). It has never been easy or convenient. However, under capitalism, even Kalashnikov found it difficult to produce the Mr., which he always produced. There was at least some attention to ergonomics, stocks, body kit, etc. But of course, only for enthusiasts, the soldier is not supposed to do anything like that.
        Quote: Master2030
        The training of the shooter is also important here - AK is easy to master.

        No. Moreover, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the task of preparing a shooter is not set at all.
        1. 0
          18 March 2023 23: 36
          Negro (1). February 23, 2023 12:37 pm - "...Reliable all the way around (no not everyone is satisfied with the price that bought this reliabilitya). It has never been simple or convenient.. However, under capitalism, even Kalashnikov found it difficult to produce the Mr., which he always produced. There was at least some attention to ergonomics, stocks, body kit, etc.. But of course only for enthusiasts, a soldier is not supposed to do anything like that.

          How much hatred and pathos Negro (1) recourse . one is from "sworn partner" or "non-brothers" ...
          About hope love values with YOUR back and forth. so from Vietnam to the present, neither those who fought with you nor YOUR "liberators and democratizers" of the guest lifestyle had "CLAIMS" against AK and Mam: crying
          "... during the tests, miscalculations of the M-16 were also revealed - with [b[/ i]] falsity in operation and maintenance, requiring special training for a soldier, [/ b] crying и a problem with stuck sleeves, which stuck more often in the M16, [i] than in the AK-47 and its North Korean modification. wink
          The best evidence of the unsuitability of the M16 for Vietnams bully which war was a critical attitude towards it bully from the Viet No. Nam partisans, who were not eager to fight with captured American rifles and at any opportunity changed them to AK-47.In Vietnam, the Russian AK demonstrated its undeniable advantages - a universal, multifunctional weapon as such. belay
          Major General Robert Skels fought in 1969 in Vietnam and his assessment of the combat advantage of the AK over the M-16 is especially important. bully Robert Skels believed that arming the US Army with these "lousy" (he also used the term!) Rifles cost the lives of many US Army soldiers. - not only in Vietnam, but also in Afghanistan. Skels assures that even the modern M-4 automatic carbine, created on the basis of the M-16A2 rifle, is now losing to the Kalashnikov - it is not reliable enough and, in terms of performance characteristics, is still lagging behind our AK - any modification of this Russian assault rifle . soldier

          ... The Associated Press reported in 2009 that in one of the battles in Afghanistan the fatal failure of the Americans was connected precisely with the inability of American weapons (in particular, the M-4) to work in these conditions - US carbines overheated half an hour after the start of the battle. crying Our AK never had such problems.

          R.S.. Of course, there is no limit to perfection ... and for each case there is a tool ...
          And that under capitalism, even Kalashnikov found it difficult to produce something Mr. No. It's you, my friend, tanned, tell the manufacturers of numerous CLONES. Not sure. that they are not ... from laughter. You are not our businessman .. bastard.
          About attention to ergonomics, .. also said. Of course it is useful if there are "conveniences" and useful. But if the tool is doing ITS function... It's like:
          "...AMERICAN "SEALS" AGAINST GRU: HOW THE ONLY MATCH OF THE RUSSIA AND US SPECIAL FORCES ENDED. https://tsargrad.tv/news/amerikanskie-kotiki-protiv-gru-zakonchilsja-edinstvenyj-poedinok-specnaza-rsi-i-Ssha_377065
          ...In 1996, the special forces of Russia and the United States, for the first time in history, jointly took part in the competition of the GRU special forces reconnaissance groups ...Competitions were held in the Urals, near the city of Asbest in July 1996. They were attended by 15 Russian teams, one Slovak and one American. The United States sent 12 special forces to the competition - six Navy SEALs and six Green Berets .. bully .after landing there was embarrassment. Accustomed to GPS, "seals" and "berets" did not immediately figure out how to use a map and compass belay . Another one hitch came with car repair. The Americans dug around for a very long time until the Russian escort pointed out a malfunction. love ..Also withcommandos from the United States were a little unlucky. They landed right in the swamp, which got their feet wet and required an unplanned halt - the legs were covered in blood. ..o when it came down to it, US special forces showed the worst result in shooting ... The Americans attributed their misses to poor sighting of weapons. And who prevented them from shooting him?.. belay However, the main a disgrace for US special forces was a forced march of 10 kilometers. Everyone was expecting a world marathon record, since everyone runs in America. And in the end, even a 16-year-old boy overtook a group of American warriors belay - the son of one of the officers of the GRU special forces .... "
          .
          ... But .. if your Major General Robert Skeles, who has real many years of experience, is not your authority.
          belay feel Тoh ... what kind of IT do you have belay what would the general (and other real participants in the database of the same US army) put in anything !?
          HORRIBLE. I'm VERY interested in who you are SUPERDUPERMAN !? love
          1. 0
            April 22 2023 20: 26
            The advantages of training Russian special forces were more than offset by the miscalculations of the Defense Ministry when planning future wars and purchasing weapons.
            If on the topic, then the AK74 is a magnificent machine gun, perhaps the best machine gun of the 20th century, the advantages of which, however, are increasingly leveled over time by the development of the NIB. It is very likely that in the future this process will lead to the fact that the infantry units will move
            a) either on assault rifles with reinforced cartridges of the 6x49 type or similar,
            b) either semi-automatic under 7.62x51 or something similar while carrying an assault weapon for short distances and fire contact in the premises.
            In the second case, due to the semi-automatic firing mode, there is no need to carry a large amount of powerful ammunition, which allows you to take more elements of modern equipment such as communications equipment, night vision devices, smoke grenades, first aid equipment, etc., and in addition, machine gunner cartridges, well, of course ammunition for light assault weapons.
    4. 0
      25 February 2023 07: 04
      Modularity is very much in demand, you just don’t imagine it correctly. Modularity is about facilitating the process of design and production, as well as repair and maintenance. It's not about having three barrels per rifle, it's more about logistics.
    5. +1
      28 February 2023 14: 59
      Stoner was not buried - they buried ar 15, dug up ar 18. In fact, most modern rifles are automatic and the AR 18 scheme with different variations - first the original ones (g 36, sa 80, k2, etc.), under the ar 15 (sig MC, m5, hk 416, bren 2, etc.)
  2. KCA
    +5
    21 February 2023 04: 18
    Machine guns and any weapon can be different, for everyone and for specialists, they can be developed and upgraded for everyone, specialists themselves choose, the APS has long been decommissioned, but it is popular among specialists, and not only among ours, when a person spends at least two hours in dash every day, he will thoroughly study both the shortcomings and the advantages of any weapon, the APS is heavy, the recoil is hellish, the holster is used as a butt, and the specialists plant bursts from their hands, and they like it, of course, I haven’t seen it myself, a comrade serves in the FSO , in the Kremlin regiment, he said, they go to the same shooting range with "Alpha" and others
    1. +10
      21 February 2023 04: 49
      return hell,

      You are wrong, Sechkin has a very soft return.
      1. 0
        21 February 2023 04: 58
        He meant the turn, and it’s really a mystery how they can shoot at a target with their hands. So yes, he does not shoot, but "spits" bullets
        1. SSA
          -1
          21 February 2023 21: 51
          Fairy tales began ... Lord, where do you get this from? Yes, stop singing odes to APS, based on retellings and conjectures.
          Stechkin fulfills the terms of reference, makes a pistol with automatic fire mode. For tank crews, pilots, etc.

          The military did not like the gun, because the concept of such a weapon did not immediately appeal to them.
          No special forces, this pistol was never praised and never used by the staff. The Special Forces of the Armed Forces always carried PB pistols, they are both more convenient and lighter, and even those were not needed. Yes, I never made a pistol, it didn’t reach. Better extra BC.
          The special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs always preferred the Makarov pistol, because in short, it is much more convenient than the APS bandura, especially if you need to capture someone by force, And if you needed a density of fire, then "cypress", "cedar" left the APS out of work at all.
          As for the FSO, such a rich office used glocks as a pistol, and "chestnuts" as a submachine gun. No one with an under-PP and an APS under-pistol has ever walked.
          And about the automatic fire mode, this is generally ... The legend of shaolin. None of them have ever fired automatic fire, this is only possible with a butt, without a butt you can shoot someone by accident. Even the cedar submachine gun, which is much more convenient to hold, when firing a burst of 10 rounds, it already lifts up too far.
      2. +3
        21 February 2023 05: 27
        You are wrong, Sechkin has a very soft return.

        Moreover, it allows high-speed aimed shooting with one hand, unlike submarines and PYs, which require holding with two hands. But the strong lobby of "Kalashnikov" will not allow Tula to restore the production of APS.
        1. SSA
          0
          21 February 2023 21: 57
          The balance is terrible, what kind of high-speed shooting is there? ... Glock and new PL pistols are more convenient than APS. And what about the lobby? No one needs it for nothing APS, it has a complex production and it is unclaimed! That's why it wasn't released at all.
      3. +3
        21 February 2023 08: 58
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        very soft rebound.

        Well, the PM cartridge is on such a heavy dupe.
        1. +1
          21 February 2023 11: 26
          Well, the PM cartridge is on such a heavy dupe.

          Here the merit is not only the cartridge and weight, but also the length of the barrel. The longer the barrel, the less recoil, flash and sound of a shot.
    2. SSA
      -1
      21 February 2023 21: 52
      These are fairy tales. Nobody uses APS. FSOshniks wear Chestnuts and Glocks.
  3. +6
    21 February 2023 04: 35
    Xander Clegane (Dogs):
    "Don't tell me you gave your sword a name!?" laughing

    My humble opinion, for mass mobilization in a big war, you need a massive, unpretentious machine gun like an AK, for special forces (and in a war their strength can be equal to a peacetime army) - you need a weapon more complex and with higher performance.
    1. +2
      21 February 2023 10: 33
      As if, instead of a more complex and high-performance weapon, every second person did not have to hang a shotgun behind his back,

      for shooting such massively bred kamikaze drones and carriers of hand grenades with VOGs.
      1. +1
        21 February 2023 11: 57
        for shooting such massively bred kamikaze drones and carriers of hand grenades with VOGs.

        I'm even afraid to ask how you imagine such a "shooting"
        1. 0
          21 February 2023 20: 11
          Of course, I would not go to Bayraktar with him, but you can hunt Mavic or FVP drones.
      2. +1
        21 February 2023 12: 53
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        As if, instead of a more complex and high-performance weapon, every second person did not have to hang a shotgun behind his back,

        So until now, some people use shotguns in parts of the first line.
        1. 0
          21 February 2023 19: 04
          Some won't go. Volunteers, due to severe restrictions on hunting weapons, cannot bring such a weapon. It should be officially delivered en masse within the framework of the RF Ministry of Defense, especially since a model with a folding butt and cartridges is needed.
          1. 0
            23 February 2023 10: 30
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            Some won't go. Volunteers, due to severe restrictions on hunting weapons, cannot bring such a weapon. It should be officially delivered en masse within the framework of the RF Ministry of Defense, especially since a model with a folding butt and cartridges is needed.

            Yes, I’m even talking about our fighters (although there are probably Saigi at the front) - the Yankees use shotguns quite officially for themselves. As for the MO, one can only hope that the ideological ones will prevail over the reactionaries.
      3. 0
        21 February 2023 20: 25
        The idea is good. Although it would be better if ours moved and made a canister shell for the grenade launcher. It's smaller and easier to carry, minus the reload speed of course. The effective range would be enough for 50 meters against a drone.
        1. 0
          21 February 2023 20: 52
          I also thought about this, I believe, there will be a lot of fuss with a grapeshot grenade, again, the return is large and it is inconvenient to fire. And here they are, shotguns, ready. The whole point is to decide on the caliber, from 12 to 20, and the size of the fraction, and issue it to the fighters. Also, train shooters-hunters, preferably, sports skills in trap shooting.
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      4. 0
        April 28 2023 20: 50
        Denis Seleznev (TG "Concretely") recently had a conversation with fighters of the 68th regiment, who are now working in Marinka. One of the questions concerned the use of shotguns against drones. The fighters said that double-barreled shotguns were used. The work of a pair is especially effective: a double-barreled shotgun + an electronic gun. But unfortunately the Ministry of Defense does not supply them with shotguns, they use only captured ones and, of course, there are not enough of them. I would like more.
  4. +11
    21 February 2023 05: 34
    Nickname "Soldier's Bride", developed by American Major General Rupertus during World War II
    The soldier's bride was long ago nicknamed the English Brown Bess. Even this her nickname can be clumsy translate as "Masha-simple".
  5. -1
    21 February 2023 05: 43
    As for me, Picatinny rails are evil, a fashion requirement. The assault rifle must be smooth on all sides, so that it can be held when moving on the run or in a bell-like manner for the forearm, it does not cling to anything and does not collect dirt. And for optics, it would be possible to make just a special nest, not even a dovetail, with a wing nut on the sight itself. The changeable length of the butt is from the evil one, but I like the possibility of using barrels of different lengths, soldiers have different heights and weights, for some 3,5 kg is a lot, and for some even 4,5 kg is not very sensitive. Therefore, the RPK-16, with its possibility of different configurations, is an excellent unified weapon, machine gun, machine gun and sniper. A thick barrel steers) By the way, Chechnya has shown demand among the PKK and RPK-74 militants, not to mention the APS.
    1. +1
      21 February 2023 08: 56
      Quote: Konnick
      Picatinny rails are evil, a fashion requirement

      The slats allow military weapons to be part of the huge gun market. The soldier has the ability to select the configuration that suits him best.

      Of course, this is not about the Russian soldier. He does not need a weapon at all - accordingly, any normal company weapon will not give him.
      1. +1
        21 February 2023 09: 13
        A soldier in the army does not have such opportunities. Do not confuse PMCs or special forces with massive army units. Regarding the slats, I propose to crawl with weapons saturated with them in the mud like a plastun and see what it turns into in an hour or two. All ribs will be clogged with mud. This is where you think about the AK 74, which absolutely does not care for such conditions.
        1. 0
          21 February 2023 09: 20
          Quote: D-Master
          All ribs will be clogged with mud

          And how does it prevent shooting? By the way, what if you do NOT need to crawl in a plastunsky way?
          Some, you know, can't repeat. Learned something for 80 years.
          Quote: D-Master
          A soldier in the army does not have such opportunities.

          Who doesn't need it, doesn't need it. Let him run with the M4, it is light and small.
    2. 0
      23 February 2023 04: 42
      The slats should be universal, removable with screws so that they can be removed or installed as needed, and not like we have on rivets.
  6. 0
    21 February 2023 06: 25
    The article once again confirms that due to the fact that the bourgeoisie does not have a Kalashnikov, they are toiling with the adoption of new variants of AR, FN and other Gs. First of all, an infantryman's weapon must be absolutely reliable in any operating conditions. And second and third. Everything else - "from the evil one." Bourgeois weapons just don’t have this quality. So they come up with all sorts of "picatinny" or evaluation criteria.
    1. -8
      21 February 2023 08: 53
      Quote: Amateur
      The article once again confirms that due to the fact that the bourgeois do not have a Kalashnikov,

      This rubbish was also abandoned by those who had it (moreover, improved). Well, except for countries that have Kalash "national treasure"
      Quote: Amateur
      An infantryman's weapon must first of all be absolutely reliable in any operating conditions.

      If it doesn't shoot, you can always hit it in the head (c).
      Quote: Amateur
      Bourgeois weapons just don’t have this quality.

      Until the advent of efficient managers at Colt (and mostly their business partners at the Pentagon) with their ingenious idea of ​​not cleaning weapons, ARs were distinguished by outstanding reliability. After the intervention of effective managers, it took about 20 years to return it to normal.
      Quote: Amateur
      Everything else is "from the evil one"

      )))
      Fight with AK against M27? Good luck.
      1. +6
        21 February 2023 11: 09
        Quote: Negro
        Until the advent of efficient managers at Colt (and mostly their business partners at the Pentagon) with their ingenious idea of ​​not cleaning weapons, ARs were distinguished by outstanding reliability. After the intervention of effective managers, it took about 20 years to return it to normal.

        Oh yes ... remember, in a brief history of the US AKA riflemen Shooting some sacred cows this point was mentioned separately. smile
        Army: Okay, let's do as the eggheads say. Mostly because the M14 doesn't do anything the Garand can't do. Sorry, Springfield. But we need to UPGRADE the new rifle! Change shutter! Change cut! Change cartridge! Add bullshit to the side! Well, what do you say to THIS, Eugene?

        Eugene Stoner: Uh... Well, I was hoping you wouldn't. You see, the rifle was designed as a complex...

        Army: No, you should have said that you are delighted with our ideas!

        Eugene Stoner: Well, then I think we were both unhappy (real phrase)

        Infantry: Fuck you, Stoner! The vintar you built...

        Eugene Stoner: "I" built?!

        Infantry: In principle, yes. Yes, she wedges all the time! Especially if you assemble skipping a couple of details (real phrase). And what did you say that you never need to clean it?

        Eugene Stoner: Nobody said it shouldn't be cleaned!

        Infantry: Well, someone from Colt told us that she, like, cleans herself.

        Eugene Stoner: What a...! Only the GAS PIPE cleans itself. And that's it!

        Infantry: Yes? And why didn’t we just fill this tube in order to clean it. By the way, it's broken. Luckily we heard we were going back to 7.62mm by 1970

        Eugene Stoner: You didn't have to put anything down the vent.

        Infantry: Who are you to tell us?!

        Eugene Stoner: I designed... Oh, to hell! I'm going to build an AR18/180/CA80/L85/G36 platform, a Stoner 63, and a bunch of junk that those Armalit idiots will never learn to sell. And someone else will get rich off of it. Pokeda!
        1. +3
          21 February 2023 11: 19
          Quote: Alexey RA
          this moment was mentioned separately

          Yes. The story of how the generals of the most belligerent country ditched an excellent weapon is much more anti-American than the usual patriotic sketches about the non-shooting M16. It is rarely possible to praise the USSR Armed Forces, but in the issue of shooting in the post-war years, the advantages of Soviet power over the wolf world of capitalism are downright striking.

          However, the shortcomings of socialism, especially in combination with Russian-style capitalism, are also striking. Now the question of catching up with the capitalists in shooting is not even on the agenda. The Soviet level would be returned, and that is an unbearable task.
          1. 0
            22 February 2023 20: 04
            Quote: Negro
            Now the question of catching up with the capitalists in shooting is not even on the agenda.

            It does not stand for the reason that today the infantry acts as a buffer between their artillery and the enemy. Barrage can be conducted without the "brilliant" Stoner system. PPSh will do, but not 200 meters, but 100 ... 150 meters of current on the way. Do the Americans again want to invent a "bicycle" capable of shooting at 500m and punching SIBZ right through? There is no need to interfere with this - the story of the M14 and 7,62x51mm will be repeated on a new round, but already in the 30s of the 21st century.
            Quote: Negro
            The Soviet level would be returned, and that is an unbearable task.

            Yes ... Stones, as history shows, are much easier to scatter than to collect.
            1. +1
              23 February 2023 00: 36
              Quote: DesToeR
              It does not stand for the reason that the infantry today acts as a buffer between its artillery and the enemy

              One more.

              Shooting is not of particular importance in combined arms combat. But the work of the army is not limited to combined arms combat. Moreover, full-scale combat operations are rare for any army. The warring armies have 99% of the time (and losses) in the course of endless police operations and counterguerrillas. Moreover, MTRs mainly work, and these are other people with different approaches.
              Quote: DesToeR
              Do the Americans again want to invent a "bicycle" capable of shooting at 500m and punching SIBZ right through?

              The Americans want to get a fire advantage over Pecheneg and SVD.
              Quote: DesToeR
              Don't interfere with them

              It's pretty hard to stop them. At the same time, they were previously higher than the Soviet level (after they had completed the normal 5,56 complex), and all this time they developed, and did not degrade, unlike.
      2. +1
        21 February 2023 21: 11
        Fight with AK against M27? Good luck.

        A little support.
        Papuans (real ones) somehow manage to clean the AR system in the jungle. laughing laughing laughing
        1. +1
          22 February 2023 16: 52
          And where are the arks? Didn't see something...
        2. 0
          28 February 2023 15: 08
          On the left is FN, on the right is an unknown handicraft fired from a local workshop (let's pay special attention to the ties on the forearm :) ) - it may not shoot at all, or a simple bolt
  7. 0
    21 February 2023 09: 08
    The author diligently pulls the owl on the globe. But it comes out hard. As a result, all the mantras boil down to that AR drives because it is so conceived (geniuses), and AK collective farms, but unfortunately they are at war. Here's the problem. But in the article there is absolutely nothing about the development of weapons - nothing .... Just a dummy.
    1. +2
      21 February 2023 13: 12
      you are right, modern armor plates no longer only hold armor-piercing 5.45x39 and 7.62x54 at close range, but also allow for prompt repair of damaged areas of ceramics
      1. 0
        22 February 2023 15: 01
        After that, either a sub-caliber, or ...... aim only at the face. More than 8 mm it will be quite tin.
  8. 0
    21 February 2023 10: 54
    Let's talk about the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation and the ordeal with the machine gun of the future. I think everyone has already seen what the automatic machine of the future is in the view of KK, when they rolled out the AK-12M1. There is also a civilian AKV-521, which repeats the FN FNC 50 years ago.

    I would look towards the XCR-L from Robinson Arms, which was part of the SCAR program, has an AK-like action and a monolithic upper upper.

    PS I would also like to hear feedback from the SVO about 6P67 / 6P68, primarily about the reliability of the design and accuracy. Purely visually, I would change the forearm to a less thick one with the possibility of installing a body kit.
  9. +1
    21 February 2023 12: 17
    WWSD2020. It is very strong and reliable and weighs only 2 kg.
    How is this possible???
    a finished rifle with a polymer receiver can cost the end user $500-600.

    No words ... Of course, such a price is no good! We do not want arms manufacturers and sellers to starve, do we?
  10. +1
    21 February 2023 15: 05
    Something is not heard about the balanced machine. He was accepted, but has he already been tested at the front? Theorists rejected it, but what will front-line practice say? I understand that the economy is a necessary thing, but weapons must also be improved.
    1. -2
      21 February 2023 21: 02
      are you talking about Korobovsky AEK? So he lost the competition analogous to Abakan)) and where is he now? )
    2. +1
      21 February 2023 23: 08
      Quote: John22
      Something is not heard about the balanced machine.
      I just heard (unofficially, but I understood why the topic died out): after 1000 shots, the balancing automation fails.
  11. +2
    21 February 2023 19: 11
    At distances up to 100 meters, it is unrivaled and harmonizes well with night vision goggles.

    .... Don't you know that no one is fighting in a single-breasted one now? (With)
    1. +2
      21 February 2023 20: 02
      Quote: John22
      Something is not heard about the balanced machine. ...? Theorists rejected him,

      The theory says that the asymmetric kinematics of the moving parts of the mechanisms (when the moving parts do not have symmetry either in size, or in mass, or in the trajectory of their movements and accelerations, for example, the parts of an automaton relative to the barrel axis) cannot be "compensated", (symmetric automation is not needs "compensations"), but when there are gear racks and gears, the theory is not a dogma .. the main thing is to have time to master the allocated funds.
  12. -1
    21 February 2023 20: 42
    Quote: agond
    Quote: John22
    Something is not heard about the balanced machine. ...? Theorists rejected him,

    The theory says that the asymmetric kinematics of the moving parts of the mechanisms (when the moving parts do not have symmetry either in size, or in mass, or in the trajectory of their movements and accelerations, for example, the parts of an automaton relative to the barrel axis) cannot be "compensated", (symmetric automation is not needs "compensations"), but when there are gear racks and gears, the theory is not a dogma .. the main thing is to have time to master the allocated funds.

    Well, theoretically, the machine can be double-barreled. And both barrels - shoot at the same time ... Or there is only one barrel, but the gas engine is annular ... Then only come up with something with the feed-ejection ... lol
    1. 0
      21 February 2023 22: 04
      the Israelis even recently created one, though it is not clear who uses
  13. +1
    21 February 2023 21: 55
    8) light reading on a military theme, it's a pity you can't hang a carnation in the toilet anymore - it's a pity for the tablet. The whole bucha in choosing a platform from the Germans because of the financial decisions of the Americans. 416 hk was thrown out of consideration [in the states!] to give money to Colt. "Inside" 416 is the same G36, but outside - everything beautiful that the author dreams of - planks, reliability, modularity ... And then the US ones also came up with a change in caliber so that the Germans simply fell out of competition altogether. In the first place was money, and not in an objective way - how much it costs to maintain, re-equip, etc., but "it is necessary to give" someone a side absolutely how much this or that platform is more promising or special in some aspect.
    Under such conditions, the Germans made alaverdi: they included a clone of the American M4 in the competition, so that later they could throw it through a claim for violation of rights and leave it in the tender "only German, agein!" that is, the manufacturer was now supported at the expense of the German taxpayer.
    what does all this have to do with the working qualities of rifles - xs ... or xk? 8)
    1. 0
      21 February 2023 22: 26
      Oh, and when did Franz Kech write an article that was translated then? It seems that this is some kind of necropost from the 15s-17s.
      1. 0
        22 February 2023 10: 00
        and when did Franz Kech write the article, which was translated then?


        Deutsche Waffenjournal N4-2022
        I fully admit that the article was written earlier))
  14. +1
    22 February 2023 10: 47
    There are actually two ARs, and the second is just with a short stroke of the gas piston.
    It was interesting to read while AR, G36 and AK were compared. When we proceeded to the description of all the wishes, "good wishes" began. What will be left of the AR if the gas engine is powered by a piston connected to the bolt carrier? On AK, this works reliably, and many even guess why. If the same is done on AR, then it will definitely cease to be AR. Or is the author mainly interested in "receivers" in AR?

    On the face of it, the trend will lighten the weapon at almost any cost. Because with the "teplak" and other "body kit" its mass should remain within acceptable limits. The problem is that for this, already significant parts of the weapon will have to be made of plastic, or, at best, of aluminum. I have very strong doubts that such a weapon will last a long time with intensive use. Especially if you have to give it into the hands of conscripts or mobilized. In any case, we have contract soldiers first conscripts.
  15. 0
    22 February 2023 18: 13
    The arms industry needs orders. Hence the interest in innovations, necessary and not necessary.
    1. 0
      22 February 2023 19: 07
      Quote: acetophenon
      Well, theoretically, the machine can be double-barreled. And both barrels - shoot at the same time ... Or there is only one barrel, but the gas engine is annular ... Then only come up with something with the feed-ejection ...

      Instead of one gas piston on top of the barrel, it is enough to install two on the sides (two pistons are more reliable than one) and the symmetry of the forces of inertia and accelerations relative to the axis of the barrel will appear, the centers of mass of moving parts will be in the same horizontal plane passing through the axis of the barrel (yes, a tautology) ... then during automatic shooting there will be no unbalanced torques causing vibrations of the weapon. A plus will be a 2-3 cm approach to the aiming line to the barrel, as a result, the shooter’s head will approach the barrel, and when shooting prone or from behind cover, the profile of the head will be 2-3 cm lower and its affected area from enemy fire will be reduced by about 10% .
      1. 0
        29 March 2023 16: 50
        Quote: agond
        Quote: acetophenon
        Well, theoretically, the machine can be double-barreled. And both barrels - shoot at the same time ... Or there is only one barrel, but the gas engine is annular ... Then only come up with something with the feed-ejection ...

        Instead of one gas piston on top of the barrel, it is enough to install two on the sides (two pistons are more reliable than one) and the symmetry of the forces of inertia and accelerations relative to the axis of the barrel will appear, the centers of mass of moving parts will be in the same horizontal plane passing through the axis of the barrel (yes, a tautology) ... then during automatic shooting there will be no unbalanced torques causing vibrations of the weapon. A plus will be a 2-3 cm approach to the aiming line to the barrel, as a result, the shooter’s head will approach the barrel, and when shooting prone or from behind cover, the profile of the head will be 2-3 cm lower and its affected area from enemy fire will be reduced by about 10% .

        Your ideas would be, but the designers in the head)))) ... otherwise they invent it is not clear what)))
  16. 0
    23 February 2023 08: 08
    Thanks for another great translation!
    Special thanks to the fact that you do not forget us and continue to publish!
    I have read all your translations with great pleasure. good
  17. 0
    29 March 2023 16: 38
    Someone who's pretty well paid is pushing AR-based weapons hard. For admirers of everything "beautiful" from abroad, this is like a balm for the soul. But personally, this AR just makes me sick, especially when I see this shutter rammer lever. this crap didn’t come from a good life))) ... I won’t argue, the M-16 rifle and everything else based on it is more accurate than our AKM / AK-74M. BUT ... Especially for AR apologists and everything on this base, a simple question: what do you prefer in weapons - reliability or accuracy of combat? A fighter must be sure of the reliability of his machine gun, that it will work always and in any conditions, especially when suddenly meeting with the enemy for a short while. AKM / AK-74 guarantees this, but AR with a shutter rammer ??? And mine to cut for accuracy at 200-300 m, if this AR-based contraption, upon a sudden meeting with a Bandera man at point-blank range of 20-50m, requires the shutter to be chambered, and for that AKM caliber 7,62 it will work in one touch. And at such a distance, only a frank stupid person will miss.
    An AR-based system, it is promoted by "effective managers" who don't know a damn thing about military weapons. I recommend that they carefully read Kalashnikov M.T., Dragogunov, Degtyatev in order to understand the evolution of small arms. Well, of course, Fedorov, although I’m not sure that they even heard something about him.
    From personal experience: what, in my amateurish opinion, does not interfere with the AKM / AK-74, is a laser designator. The point is visible day and night, aimed at the target, a short burst. Ready. On the AK-74, the same PSO-1, but better with variable magnification, is also not bad. With regard to the grenade launcher, I think those who used it will speak out.
    For the information of "effective managers" and their writers: He served with AKM for 9 (nine) years. The first two - almost every day. Classes. shooting. AK-74 more 5 (five). So I have little idea)
  18. -1
    April 27 2023 17: 20
    there is something modern in the half-century-old editorial office ... where are combustible cartridge cases, telescopic cartridges, electric trigger, integrated silencers, new-generation multi-shot grenade launchers with remote detonation?
  19. -1
    9 August 2023 17: 41
    I wonder where the author got the range of 500 m from?
    So any shooter should be an intermediate level sniper? It is difficult to detect a target at 500 meters ...
    Just a waste of BC...
    Shooting battle 200-300 meters, but in fact much less ...
    Fortunately, now there are a lot of videos, the majority of shooting battles - up to 100 meters, or even dagger distances from 0 to 30-50 meters ...
    Why? Well, in many ways, this is the development of PPE, when you need to shoot not just at the silhouette, but at unprotected parts, plus high-quality fortification, good camouflage, and so on and so forth ...

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