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Lukashenka at a meeting with the President of Russia announced the readiness of Belarus to produce attack aircraft

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Lukashenka at a meeting with the President of Russia announced the readiness of Belarus to produce attack aircraft

Belarus is ready to start independent production of Su-25 attack aircraft with some help from the Russian side. This was stated by the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko in a conversation with the head of the Russian state Vladimir Putin.


The head of the Belarusian state recalled that Belarusian enterprises produce up to a thousand components for MC21 Sukhoi Superjet aircraft. Therefore, the country has production facilities that allow it to start producing ground attack aircraft. aviation.

Stormtrooper, workhorse. We are ready to produce even in Belarus with the appropriate small support from the Russian Federation

Lukashenka told Putin.

Recall that the Su-25 aircraft was developed back in Soviet times, since 1978 it has been in service with the armies of a number of countries around the world. In particular, Su-25s are operated by Russian attack aircraft. They are actively used during a special military operation, which, by the way, was also mentioned by Lukashenko in a conversation with the Russian president.

In addition to the Su-25, Lukashenka is discussing other issues of military cooperation between Russia and Belarus with Putin. The head of the Russian state noted the great opportunities of the Belarusian industry for effective interaction with Russian enterprises of the military-industrial complex.
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  1. Bear
    Bear 17 February 2023 16: 03
    +7
    Good news. The right aircraft, in the absence of free production capacity.
    1. svp67
      svp67 17 February 2023 16: 30
      +2
      Quote: Orso
      Good news.

      And what is good? Can you explain. Now to spend resources on establishing the production of a deliberately outdated design? Do you consider this "good news"?
      If you decide to produce something, then you need to arrange the production of something new, more effective, capable of really helping the troops, and not firing from the back of the troops with NURs on the squares - "for good luck" ...
      It would be better if they began to establish the production of UAVs now, and there are many different ones. Both reconnaissance and strike. And if you really want to produce aircraft, then let them establish the production of heavy multi-engine
      1. hostel
        hostel 17 February 2023 16: 52
        +4
        Based on your logic, barrel artillery is also outdated, it is already 400 years old. Gunpowder approached the limit, the firing distance, respectively, too.
        1. svp67
          svp67 17 February 2023 16: 57
          +4
          Quote: alberigo
          Based on your logic, barrel artillery is also outdated, it is already 400 years old

          If you misunderstood my comment, then I feel sorry for you. Is there any desire to compare the artillery of four centuries ago and modern.
          With your logic, so now let's help Belarus set up the production of Shuvalov's "unicorns", there were VERY effective weapons IN THEIR time.
          It is one thing to increase production on previously producing production lines and it is quite another to establish production again, in the latter case, you need to work for the future ... and not "step on the spot."
          1. nickname7
            nickname7 19 February 2023 14: 42
            0
            Shuvalov's "unicorns", VERY effective tools were IN THEIR time.

            No need to be foolish.
            These unicorns are loaded from the muzzle with a wad of gunpowder and a cannonball. At the same time, they have a meager rate of fire and accuracy, which makes unicorns outdated against breech-loaders with a unitary projectile. But the SU-25 is a jet aircraft and it can drop a bomb at point A no worse than the F-35. Reactive relative to other reactives is not obsolete.
            Remember, buddy, that weapons of average characteristics always won, but massive ones, and prodigies lost for the main price.
            Another thing is that planning bombs with a range of 80 km are needed, but they are not.
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 17 February 2023 16: 54
        +4
        No one is going to fix an outdated version. Leave the strengths of the attack aircraft. They will update avionics, navigation sighting systems for guided weapons. Force engines. And it will turn out to be a wonderful front-line car. CBO showed that Rook is still too early to retire. By the way, the Su-39 project can be taken as a basis.
        1. svp67
          svp67 17 February 2023 17: 33
          +4
          Quote: PROXOR
          CBO showed that Rook is still too early to retire.

          The SVO showed that the Ka-52 assault helicopter is more effective than the Rook, they have more destroyed and hit targets on their account.
      3. Plate
        Plate 17 February 2023 16: 57
        +9
        Why is the Su-25 outdated? Armor - yes. Suitable aerodynamics - yes. Reliability and survivability - is. There is nothing to improve here, except for the electronic filling and weapons (put cooler missiles). Well, that's how it was improved in the past, and the rockets were hung up. Those Su-25s that are now are not the same Su-25s that were 40 years ago.
        1. svp67
          svp67 17 February 2023 17: 30
          +4
          Quote: Plate
          Why is the Su-25 outdated?

          Yes, the fact that this design is almost half a century old, its first flight was in 1975, respectively, decisions, materials are all from that time. During this time, much has changed and now you can create something more significant. Moreover, even we have abandoned the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbestablishing the production of "Rook"
          Quote: Plate
          There's nothing to improve here

          There is something ... Modern materials can help lighten the design itself, which will allow you to take more payload
          Quote: Plate
          put cooler rockets

          Do we have them? Do we have them in commercial quantities? No, no, aviation is forced to "fill in" the enemy with "cast iron", incurring unreasonable losses.
          So can we ask "syabry" to arrange their production? They have opportunities. Since the days of the USSR, Belarus has been an "assembly shop"
          Quote: Plate
          Those Su-25s that are now are not the same Su-25s that were 40 years ago.

          Nevertheless, this is an aircraft created in the 70s of the 20th century. And now we have a huge shortage of UAVs, both in small "drones" and in large ones, capable of monitoring areas of the terrain for hours. How would they be useful to our guys now.
          Yes, and it would not hurt if Peleng would supply more Sosna sighting systems, otherwise they often install frank sighting junk on new tanks, and our guys will soon burn Leopards on them.
          Request from MAZ the creation and production of off-road wheeled base chassis with protected cabs, to establish the production of the same pickup trucks, which are sorely lacking in the war now ...
          Individual first-aid kits, berets, body armor, protective helmets, rations, thermal imagers, and a lot of things you can ask the "syabry" and help them in their production. You can’t spoil the “Batka”, which means that their quality is good.
          1. Johnson Smithson
            Johnson Smithson 18 February 2023 08: 06
            0
            Yes, the fact that this design is almost half a century old, its first flight was in 1975, respectively, decisions, materials are all from that time. During this time, much has changed and now you can create something more significant. Moreover, even we have abandoned the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbestablishing the production of "Rook"

            the A-10 attack aircraft is the same age, and the Americans still use it

            During this time, much has changed and now you can create something more significant. Moreover, even we have abandoned the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbestablishing the production of "Rook"

            where to create, in Belarus? and what experience do they have, how many aircraft did they create?
            they need to start production with something simpler, when they master it, it will be possible to do something new
      4. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 February 2023 18: 55
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Now to spend resources on establishing the production of a deliberately outdated design? Do you consider this "good news"?

      5. Bear
        Bear 17 February 2023 19: 26
        +2
        The equipment and capacities of Belarusian enterprises allow the production of this type of aircraft, mind you, with the help of Russia, without much re-equipment and, one might say, "from the wheels", you need a lot of different aircraft. Of course, I would also like heavy UAVs, but in time pressure, the SU-25M3 with the SOLT-25 and the Vitebsk BKO is quite a worthy machine. Still, the "dad" would open a couple of flight and technical schools.
        1. svp67
          svp67 18 February 2023 06: 54
          0
          Quote: Orso
          The equipment and capacities of Belarusian enterprises allow the production of this type of aircraft, mind you, with the help of Russia, without much re-equipment and, one might say, "from wheels"

          But can they work with titanium, there is plenty of it in the Rook design
      6. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 18 February 2023 00: 27
        0
        Quote: svp67
        And if you really want to produce aircraft, then let them establish the production of heavy multi-engine

        So the Su-25 is just right.
        Not so light and far from single-engine.

        Although I agree that attack UAVs in modern conditions are better and more promising than the Su-25.
        However, unfortunately, with their release in the Russian Federation is not a lot. Not that even in the Republic of Belarus to establish production.
        1. svp67
          svp67 18 February 2023 07: 08
          0
          Quote: prosto_rgb
          Although I agree that attack UAVs in modern conditions are better and more promising than the Su-25.

          Well, is it really so impatient, then there were "mobilization" versions of the "Rook", you can also create a heavy UAV on this basis, abandoning the titanium armored capsule






      7. bayard
        bayard 18 February 2023 10: 46
        0
        Quote: svp67
        And what is good? Can you explain. Now to spend resources on establishing the production of a deliberately outdated design?

        And why is the design of the attack aircraft outdated?
        He doesn’t need supersonic speed, he flies to the base station at low and extremely low altitudes, the armor is good and saved the lives of pilots many times and made it possible to return wrecked cars to the airfield.
        Quote: svp67
        firing from a roll-up from behind the troops by NURs at the squares - "for good luck" ...

        When the military and object air defense is not completely suppressed (although it is suppressed to a very large extent), and the most powerful military bloc on the planet transfers most of its anti-tank weapons and MANPADS to your enemy ... is it worth it so thoughtlessly to risk a few aircraft bombardment with free-falling bombs from the span or direct assault strikes by NURs? In addition, helicopters are mainly launched from the NURA cabriolet.
        The enemy's battle formations are oversaturated with MANPADS + military air defense air defense systems. Maybe even announce pilots in cowardice? And when the losses of aviation cry out to the sky, bring down your righteous anger on those who sent them to death?
        The problem of domestic military aviation is in its SMALL NUMBERS. And in the stake on heavy MFIs, instead of a balanced composition of the Air Force with a larger number of LFMIs in order to achieve a larger number of Air Forces and less sensitivity to losses. But these are fighters.
        Attack aircraft - attack aircraft of the battlefield. He must be tenacious, maneuverable, well-armed and INEXPENSIVE! And there should be a LOT of them. And today we don’t even have 200 pieces in the VKS. !! And that's not counting the losses incurred.
        Quote: svp67
        Now to spend resources on establishing the production of a deliberately outdated design?

        The design of the Su-25 is not outdated in any way. In a maneuverable battle, he sometimes twisted even the MiG-29, small (harder to hit) and very ... very tenacious. WHAT else does an attack aircraft need?
        Guided weapons?
        But for its use, target designation and guidance, a radar is needed. And this is already more complicated and more expensive, this is the same Su-39 that was developed, tested, but there was already nowhere to produce - Georgia left, and they could not establish this production in Ulan-Ude (where the Su-25 twins were assembled) .. or didn't want to at the time.
        And planes are NEEDED!
        And to make up for losses, and to form new assault aviation regiments.
        Where can you organize their production now (!) as soon as possible (!!) and so that the performers do not plunder again? smile So where ? Entrust this to Serdyukov? lol But the Kremlin has no others. request All their own, irreplaceable, untouchable... wassat
        And planes are NEEDED!
        And what would we do without a stingy yes who has preserved all the Soviet heritage, Lukashenka? He has already saved three aircraft repair plants!
        ... And the Kremlin, a few years ago, intended to close and re-profile AVIATION WORKS for "other tasks and products"! ... then they really changed their minds ... well, that's okay.
        Manturov (?? wassat ) Will you build 500 attack aircraft? belay
        ... Shchaz. stop ... He can't.
        Promise - can.
        ... But to build ... request
        In addition, most likely at the Belarusian factories, at first they will not build from scratch, but will capitalize and modernize the old buildings that have been preserved in storage ... And then - from scratch. For you need at least 500 such attack aircraft.
        Quote: svp67
        it is necessary to arrange the release of something new, more effective,

        AND WHAT ?
        Do you have something to offer to replace the light attack aircraft, which easily makes 5 sorties a day? Which is a dirt strip, or a section of the road for basing enough? Which, on one surviving, but crumpled engine and a bunch of holes, returns to its airfield and lands safely?
        Do you have a suggestion for a replacement?
        Su-34?
        Or Yak-130??
        There is NO better solution than the resumption of production of the Su-25. Preferably in an updated look - with a new avionics and the possibility of using something high-precision, but with the "fire and forget" function.
        Quote: svp67
        It would be better if they began to establish the production of UAVs now, and there are many different ones. Both reconnaissance and strike.

        And they are getting better. They changed the leadership of "Kronstadt", and things went on - already 120 (at least) "Orions" entered the troops. And production is just unfolding and reaching the planned volumes and scales.
        Quote: svp67
        And if you really want to produce aircraft, then let them establish the production of heavy multi-engine

        Pe-8?
        What multi-engine ... It's even embarrassing to comment on this.
  2. Mouse
    Mouse 17 February 2023 16: 04
    +3
    We are ready to produce even in Belarus with the appropriate small support from the Russian Federation

    Well... where there is a small one, a big one will follow...
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 17 February 2023 16: 07
    +3
    So we don’t let them out ourselves, what kind of help is he talking about?
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 17 February 2023 16: 56
      0
      Components and raw materials.
      Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
  4. Boniface
    Boniface 17 February 2023 16: 08
    -6
    As an option - to supply "aircraft kits" - to retrofit with Belarusian components that the country produces and assemble on stocks!
    And there will be BelSu-25 laughing
    or SuBel-25
    good
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 18 February 2023 00: 20
      0
      Quote: Boniface
      As an option - to supply "aircraft kits"

      And where can you get these same "aircraft kits" if there is no mass production of the Su-25 now?
  5. belost79
    belost79 17 February 2023 16: 12
    +3
    At which aircraft building plant in Belarus is he going to produce attack aircraft?
    1. your vsr 66-67
      your vsr 66-67 17 February 2023 16: 19
      +3
      Quote: belost79
      At which aircraft building plant in Belarus is he going to produce attack aircraft?

      Yes, the question is not even where he is going to produce them!
      The question is different.
      Where are our production facilities? Optimized! And when the roasted rooster pecked at one soft spot, it turned out that ... "father help ...". They themselves do not have these very production capacities!
      I'm sorry Yura, we all fell in love ...
    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 17 February 2023 16: 28
      +1
      There is at least one aircraft repair enterprise in Belarus. But the fact is that a lot is needed to build the Rook from scratch. It is one thing to repair an aircraft, another thing to build. By the way, attack aircraft were produced in Tbilisi
    3. AMG
      AMG 17 February 2023 17: 22
      +3
      There are three aircraft repair plants in Belarus: Minsk, Orshansky and 558 (Baranovichi). The latter is the main activity of the enterprise - repair and modernization of Su-22, Su-25, Su-27 (Su-30), MiG-29, An-2, Mi-8 (Mi-17) and Mi-24 helicopters ( Mi-35) and much more.
  6. arnulla
    arnulla 17 February 2023 16: 16
    0
    It is good to. Belarusians, I’m sure, will have less deadlines to the right.
    Old Man has more order in the country than ours
  7. KCA
    KCA 17 February 2023 16: 17
    +1
    The SU-25 could not have been in service since 1978, it was finishing state tests in Afghanistan, it was adopted in the USSR in 1980, a number of countries could receive it no earlier than the needs of the USSR Armed Forces were closed
    1. AMG
      AMG 17 February 2023 16: 57
      0
      The flight of the first prototype SU-25 took place in 1975. Officially adopted in 1987. The Yak-28P fighter, produced in the amount of more than 400 copies and served in the air defense, was not officially adopted for service at all. Source - "Corner of the sky".
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 17 February 2023 16: 58
      0
      I will now reveal a secret to you. A large percentage of equipment and weapons were delivered to combat units before they were officially put into service. This is called GENERAL tests. So the first T-64s got into combat units at the beginning of 1963.
  8. spirit
    spirit 17 February 2023 16: 20
    0
    The SVO showed that in the presence of a huge number of MANPADS + air defense systems, attack aircraft pilots are essentially suicide bombers. All over the world they understood this and are relying on heavy UAVs that will soon reach su25 / a10 in terms of thrust-to-weight ratio. Give the Belarusians Iranian / Chinese technologies, since they don’t have “plywood marshal oaks”, maybe they will succeed.
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 17 February 2023 16: 23
    0
    Does a little support mean building the entire cycle from scratch? And it makes sense to build something defensive at the forefront, usually they do such things in the rear so that they don’t lose it quickly, but here again effective LGBT-style solutions.
  10. Leshak
    Leshak 17 February 2023 16: 23
    -1
    This aircraft can also be built in Russia. For some reason, no one needs it. It turns out strange - it is very much in demand in the war, but it is absolutely not interesting for production. If Belarus releases it very well. good
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 18 February 2023 00: 18
      0
      Quote: Leshak
      This aircraft can also be built in Russia.

      Naturally Possible.
      But why?
      With today's workload of factories in the mass production of the Su-30/35 of various modifications, the Su-34 and the launch of the Su-57 into mass production.
      While the production of the Su-25s has long ended. And now it is not mass-produced.
  11. Ural resident
    Ural resident 17 February 2023 16: 26
    +1
    Okay, but where is the association? Can we still produce weapons? Lukashenka is not eternal, no matter how after the next Maidan these enterprises did not end up in Poland. Now the Soviet military industry in Ukraine is working against us. Yes, and these aircraft will be sold right and left, including to our "respectable partners" from the near unfriendly abroad.
  12. Sochi
    Sochi 17 February 2023 16: 34
    -5
    The Belarusians have no competence in aircraft construction, no specialists, no equipment, no materials, there is NOTHING ... that is, Russia give us EVERYTHING on credit ... that is, for free, because not a single loan has yet been returned. And then everything will be epic.
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 17 February 2023 19: 10
      0
      like eyes, it pricks the minusers. Look for documents and do not listen to nonsense from the stands.
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 18 February 2023 00: 00
      0
      Quote: Sochi
      Belarusians have no competencies in aircraft construction, no specialists, no equipment, no materials, there is NOTHING ...

      Something is missing, but something is.
      Repair and modernization of the Su-25s has been mastered.
      But from scratch they really were not made in Belarus.
  13. Alexga
    Alexga 17 February 2023 16: 39
    0
    It was officially said like this:
    “You once raised the issue of cooperation in the field of aircraft manufacturing in the EurAsEC. So I must report to you that the Belarusians are making up to a thousand components for the MS-21 and Superjet 100. We have three plants. Two military and one civilian. used to be repair shops. Today they are already producing components," the head of state said.

    “And, as I was informed by the government, they are ready to begin production of the Su-25 aircraft, which shows itself well in Ukraine - an attack aircraft, a workhorse. They are ready to produce it even in Belarus with a small amount of appropriate technological support from the Russian Federation,” Alexander Lukashenko said. https://president.gov.by/ru/events/peregovory-s-presidentom-rossii-vladimirom-putinym-1676619522
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 17 February 2023 16: 45
      0
      Making individual parts according to other people's drawings is far from the same thing as making an airplane ... Second, it is not rational to produce the SU-25 today using old technologies. We need to recycle the machine, taking into account new materials and technologies, it is possible to expand its characteristics ... And for this, in Belarus there are no specialists from the word AT ALL !!! Therefore, again, everything is at the expense of Russia.
      1. AMG
        AMG 17 February 2023 17: 35
        0
        In Soviet times, the production of the Su-25 at the plant in Tbilisi constantly had problems with both quality and quantity.
      2. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 17 February 2023 23: 52
        0
        Quote: Sochi
        We need the processing of the machine, taking into account new materials and technologies, it is possible to expand its characteristics.

        And who will recycle the technical staff for a new car, if there are not a small number of "old" ones in the ranks?
      3. AMG
        AMG 18 February 2023 09: 55
        0
        There are three aircraft repair plants in Belarus. Alive. This means that there are working personnel, and the missing specialists can be sent, as they did in the USSR. You can do it if you want. The Smolensk aircraft plant also grew out of a repair plant. First, he made individual units, and then even assembled the Yak-42.
        1. AMG
          AMG 18 February 2023 10: 04
          0
          It's close by, you don't have to travel far.
    2. Sochi
      Sochi 17 February 2023 17: 00
      +1
      Lukashenka took over the country practically without debts. By the end of his first term, on January 1, 2001, the country's gross external debt had risen to $2,1 billion, or 16% of GDP. At the beginning of 2020, external debt in all sectors of the economy amounted to $40,75 billion, including public debt - $29,64 billion, or 46,9% of GDP. And taking into account the domestic total debt of Belarus has come close to $45 billion (71,1% of GDP) - and this is before the devaluation that took place this year. At the same time, the government cannot deny itself investment and consumer spending. It lives in debt and spends annually 8-10% of GDP on servicing it. In the first half of 2020 alone, the total public debt of Belarus increased by $3,3 billion, or 17,5%. And over the entire period of the reign of the first Belarusian president, the public debt increased by 64,4 times, while GDP growth in dollar terms was only 4,8 times
  14. Speedy
    Speedy 17 February 2023 16: 40
    0
    He, so I think, did not fly to Moscow for this. Now he speaks on abstract topics. We will find out on February 22 what we have agreed to.
  15. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 17 February 2023 16: 49
    0
    Quote: Orso
    The good news

    Do we need more planes??? Maybe better - they produce shells:
    so as not to carry them across the country.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2023 23: 50
      0
      Quote: VladimirNET
      Maybe better - they produce shells

      Possible.
      But shells are not produced in Belarus.
      So it was with the USSR.
  16. hostel
    hostel 17 February 2023 16: 50
    +1
    Early Rook to rest. A much needed aircraft. It is necessary to produce in cooperation with Belarus.
  17. vorobejti
    vorobejti 17 February 2023 16: 52
    0
    Based on the information of the Ukrainian TG (audience of more than 1,7 million people), Belarus is ready to produce MiG-25 attack aircraft)))
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2023 23: 35
      0
      It is quite suitable for the role of an attack aircraft of high-altitude balloons.
      But the MiG-31 is better!
  18. Fizik13
    Fizik13 17 February 2023 18: 21
    +2
    SU-25M3M is quite possible, there are not enough competencies for more.
    This is not BELAZ and MZKT for you, here we also have NO competencies!
  19. Fangaro
    Fangaro 17 February 2023 21: 11
    0
    Stormtrooper, workhorse. We are ready to produce even in Belarus with the appropriate small support from the Russian Federation

    How is that? Who is CBO, and who needs support for production?
    Is it unprofitable to produce aircraft without appropriate support? Production support, then delivery at a manufacturer-specified price?
  20. Revolver
    Revolver 17 February 2023 21: 13
    0
    Su-25? Why not immediately the Su-57, or finally the Tu-160? Still building from scratch. If dad had that Soviet plant that riveted the Su-25, there would have been a topic, but, alas, the plant remained with the rodents. And to rebuild the plant, moreover, for a deliberately outdated aircraft, and even abroad, is somehow not a very smart decision. This is father's ally today, and tomorrow (in the historical sense) Kondraty will come to him, and the one who replaces him will not necessarily continue his line. Or the West will make the father an offer that he cannot refuse.
    It is strange here that the West did not help the rodents to restart production to supply the Armed Forces of Banderostan with fresh letaks. Or is there nothing to restart?
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2023 23: 47
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      Great idea!
      But there are several buts.
      For the Tu-160, it is too long to build workshops. Yes, and Belarus is too small for such a machine.
      Su-57s are great, but first they need to be made for the Russian Air Force. And the technologies for their production are now absent in the Republic of Belarus.
      But the Su-25 is quite a familiar car.
      In addition, its repair and modernization have long been mastered in the Republic of Belarus.
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2023 23: 48
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      Quote: Nagan
      It is strange here that the West did not help the rodents to restart production to supply the Armed Forces of Banderostan with fresh letaks. Or is there nothing to restart?

      Nothing for 20 years now.
  21. Alexey G
    Alexey G 17 February 2023 22: 01
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    We probably could have suppressed the enemy's air defense systems, but not MANPADS! And Rook works low, which means he will suffer losses! The bet on the Vitebsk defense complex did not quite justify itself, as I understand it. KA-52s also fly above the ground itself, and there the ZSU-23 and the haplyk, so on all the video news they shoot NURSs behind the front line like Grads, practically into milk like a pretty penny.
    Hence the conclusion: It is necessary to finish off Kukarina’s air defense using drones and missiles from the ground and aircraft, and then capture a height of 6-7 thousand meters, where MANPADS can’t reach, but there they probably need SU-34 or, at worst, SU-24 and FABA of all kinds !