Why are strikes on Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities meaningless?

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Why are strikes on Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities meaningless?

Attacks on the energy infrastructure of Ukraine, as you know, have become a kind of hallmark of the Russian military operation in Ukraine. Often in the media you can see the opinions of experts who are trying to assure a simple layman that the power system is about to collapse, a couple more “calibrations” and it will completely fail. In reality, things are somewhat different.

On February 14, the Ukrainian energy company Ukrenergo statement that in Ukraine there is no shortage of capacity in the energy system. They noted that consumption limits in the Kyiv region do not apply, and network outages are currently in place in Odessa, but they are not significant.



Indeed, based on data from open sources, as well as messages from Ukrainian residents on social networks, the effect of the latest missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces was minimal. Most Ukrainian cities do not feel any problems with electricity, not to mention the fact that the Ukrainian military did not feel these problems even during the rolling blackouts of civilian facilities. This fact destroys the myth about effective strikes on the energy structure, due to which it is about to fail.

In this connection, questions arise: why are missile attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure facilities ineffective? What is their overall goal? We will try to answer them in this article.

Why are strikes against Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities ineffective?


So, why was the effect of the latest missile strikes of the RF Armed Forces minimal? There are several reasons for this.

Firstly, long breaks between missile strikes on Ukrainian energy infrastructure facilities make it possible to carry out repairs or replacement of equipment in a fairly short time frame. In addition, we should not forget that the infrastructure of Ukraine was created in the Soviet era and is sufficiently stable.

Secondly, missile strikes are becoming less and less massive, and the work of Ukrainian air defense systems is becoming more and more effective.

Here we again touch on one of the main issues of the military operation in Ukraine - why has the Ukrainian air defense system not yet been suppressed, despite the fact that its suppression has been announced several times?

After all, modern war is a network-centric war, a war of a new generation. Network-centric warfare is the concept of warfare, in which all participants in hostilities (command, military equipment, manpower) are united into a single information network. The concept involves active use droneshigh precision weapons, well-protected stable communication channels with high bandwidth, as well as the widespread use of electronic warfare.

As Sergei Makarenko, Candidate of Technical Sciences, Professor of the Academy of Military Sciences, Sergei Makarenko notes in his monograph “Information Confrontation and Electronic Warfare in Network-Centric Warfare at the Beginning of the XNUMXst Century”, in such a conflict, the enemy’s critical infrastructure and air defense systems should be hit first.

“The active phase of a crisis, when it escalates into an armed conflict, is usually associated with a complex strike by high-precision sea and air-based weapons against reconnoitered and well-studied critical infrastructure facilities on enemy territory, and primarily against air defense systems. The strike makes it possible to minimize the enemy's retaliatory actions and prevent significant losses of forces and means of the active side. The effective use of the HTO is ensured by space means of reconnaissance and navigation, and the correction of the direction of strikes and control of their results is ensured by the use of reconnaissance UAVs. At the same time, cyber operations forces and electronic warfare equipment are conducting an electronic strike in order to suppress air defense radar systems, disrupt the functioning of the state and military control system, suppress enemy radio and television broadcasting, disrupt the functioning of telecommunications and energy networks, as well as banking and transport systems.

Makarenko notes.

However, until now the air defense systems of Ukraine have not been suppressed - from time to time the RF Armed Forces identify and destroy Ukrainian air defense systems, however, these actions are of a focal, tactical nature, and do not affect the overall picture of hostilities in any way. Why this is happening is not entirely clear, it seems that the RF Armed Forces simply do not have the ability to completely suppress Ukrainian air defense.

What is the purpose of missile strikes?


Speaking about reducing the impact of missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces on energy infrastructure facilities, we are talking, first of all, about the impact of such strikes on ordinary residents of Ukraine. As for the Ukrainian military, strikes on the energy infrastructure did not affect them in any way even during the period when rolling blackouts were in effect in Ukrainian cities. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are sufficiently provided with generators, which are massively supplied to Kyiv by the West.

In this regard, the question arises - what is the purpose of strikes on Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities?

From a military point of view, as already mentioned above, these strikes are meaningless, since they do not lead to the isolation of the combat area and do not affect the situation at the front in any way.

And how much do these strikes make sense from a political point of view? To begin with, we note that from a political point of view, such strikes can be inflicted either to demoralize the population of Ukraine, or in order to cause a multimillion-dollar flow of refugees to Europe in order to provoke a political crisis there.

If we talk about the demoralization of the population of Ukraine, then given that strikes on energy facilities are delivered irregularly, and their effectiveness is low, for most people this has already become a routine and does not have any demoralizing effect. Aggressive mobilization, the fall of the economy, the depreciation of the hryvnia - all these issues worry the people of Ukraine much more than missile strikes.

However, even if we assume that the RF Armed Forces will increase the effectiveness of strikes, and most of the cities of Ukraine will be left without electricity, this is unlikely to somehow affect the course of hostilities. There are no prerequisites for serious protests in Ukraine, and there are two reasons for this. First, under martial law, any protest will be labeled by the authorities in Kyiv as a "provocation by enemy agents", with the corresponding consequences. Therefore, as long as there is an organized government in Ukraine that has not begun to stagger, one should not expect any uprisings.

Secondly, many Ukrainians do not understand what the true goals and intentions of Russia are, and how serious these intentions are. Plus, do not forget the Ukrainian propaganda, which works quite effectively.

If we talk about the multimillion-dollar flow of refugees, then this moment has long been lost - now the borders for men are closed, and everyone who wanted to have already left the territory of Ukraine so long ago.

Actually, back in late November, retired Lieutenant General Viktor Sobolev comments Russian media stated that from a military point of view, strikes on the energy system of Ukraine have no effect, rather, it looks like a political response to Kyiv on the shelling of the territory of Donbass.

“Honestly, I have a question - what effect do we want to achieve? There is a railway junction on the border between Ukraine and Poland, through which all deliveries of Western weapons and equipment go, this junction had to be destroyed, as well as several more bridges and tunnels. It would be much more effective than shelling the energy system of Ukraine,”

Sobolev noted then.

This is a fair remark - until now, missile strikes have not been carried out on bridges and railway junctions, which, in theory, can indeed affect the course of hostilities. Instead, missiles are hitting Ukraine's energy infrastructure, which has no effect on the situation on the fronts.

How justified is this use of missiles and WTO weapons? This question remains open.
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  1. +42
    February 20 2023
    this knot had to be destroyed and a few more bridges and tunnels
    And also headquarters, communications and finances ...
    And so, only irritation of the "one people" No.
    1. +24
      February 20 2023
      I will answer the question
      ... why the Ukrainian air defense system has not yet been suppressed ...

      —-After the coup of 91, Ukraine got 132 air defense divisions (not counting the military "Shilok", "Tungusok" ...) This is at least 260 air defense batteries, or 1040 air defense installations. [For reference, the 132nd Air Defense Division is the order of air defense of the latest models of Russia] Or about 2000 - 4000 long-range and medium-range missiles.

      —-From open sources (https://avia.pro/blog/zrk-ukrainy-foto-harakteristiki-video#bounce) at the beginning of 2020, there were about 20 technically dangerous Buk divisions and about 2 PS300 divisions left. This is at least 160 Buk units and 16 PS300 units. Or 640 and 64 air defense missiles, respectively. Add to this the Strela MANPADS in the lower range of altitudes and ranges, and you will get a starting point for the beginning of 2020.

      —-Russian intelligence apparently did not reveal the number and location of air defense installations at the beginning of the NMD, and the coefficient of their destruction by Russian forces was insufficient. In addition, the Ukrainian Air Force shot down part of the cruise missiles. Then the Soviet air defense equipment of NATO countries began to arrive .... and Western technology at low-medium altitudes and ranges, Stingers. Obviously, the loss and risk of the Russian Air Force, tactical uncertainty and the strategy of the NWO ... were factors limiting the effectiveness of suppressing the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      —- As a result: 1. there were quite a lot of air defense installations. 2. Did not know their number and location.3. We fought ineffectively. 4. The losses of Russian funds involved were significant. 5. Fighting tactics did not adapt quickly enough to the conditions on the battlefield. 6. The West transferred enough air defense systems and increased the stability of the system and air defense centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      1. +3
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        -After the coup of 91, Ukraine got 132 air defense divisions (not counting the military "Shilok", "Tungusok" ...) This is at least 260 air defense batteries, or 1040 air defense installations.

        These funds and Stingers with expiring storage periods were enough to stop the bombing strikes of the Aerospace Forces on the front line and rear, and in the depths of the Ukrainian defense. If the mass strike is increased from 1140 to 60 missiles, then the West will apparently need to supply another 600 air defense systems to neutralize these strikes. Moreover, it is during strikes on power facilities that it is possible to open air defense installations. It is better to exchange 10 geraniums for opening an analogue of the Pantsir or 000 calibers for opening an analogue of the S-10 than to open them with Su or MiGs.
      2. -3
        February 21 2023
        With such a quantity and dispersal with redeployments, intelligence will not be able to reveal everything in a short time.
        In general, the article of a comrade from Lugansk simply does not shine with erudition, but a comrade with knowledge of military affairs.
        The energy structure that feeds industrial military or capable of producing military equipment, enterprises is knocked out. As well as those enterprises where it is possible to create it from design to implementation. In addition, in Ukraine, 80 percent of locomotives run on electric traction. True, the Soviet government created a very strong and reliable power supply system. It's hard to bring it down all at once.
        The same is true for transport and bridge infrastructure.
        Now for the losses. I would like to hear about “essential” things. For example, in Yugoslavia, a coalition in a very short period of hostilities even without troops entering its
        territory, lost 106 (108) aircraft. This is essential.
        How about here? If you don’t know, then it’s better not to use such words, of course, if you don’t play along with the Ukrainian side. And if you know, then losses to the studio.
        Ukrainians work here, there are wounded, and so, according to them, they have no air defense effectiveness. Their air defense missiles killed a lot of the population on earth and destroyed or damaged many buildings. Almost 96-98 percent of our missiles reach their targets. There are few Western installations, approximately where they know ours and use tactics that make these installations ineffective. These are false targets, bypassing sources of radiation by the side, maneuvering in height when approaching targets, some of the missiles work to destroy not targets but radiation sources, that is, radars,
        some of our missiles and drones are hardly noticeable and additionally use electronic countermeasures when approaching the target,
        in addition, the characteristics of almost all the delivered complexes are known to us in terms of the used arsenal of missiles, their capabilities, as well as shortcomings, which is used in planning strikes.
        1. +6
          February 21 2023
          I will add. The war will end sooner or later. But by this time, all enterprises and firms that compete with us in the world, on the land of Ukraine, will be destroyed. The most reproductive part of the male, partly female population has been knocked out. Many people will not return to Ukraine anymore. Part will remain in Europe, part will be with us, part will be dispersed throughout the rest of the world. This I see firsthand. The extinction of the Ukrainian population in Ukraine for one reason or another will accelerate after the war (with their medicine). Without Russia and an alliance with it, Ukrainians have nothing to gain in population growth. Look, as long as the Balts were in the USSR, they grew in national population. And now there are such losses that they are holding meetings, What to do, we are dying out. Estonians are already less than a million, a quarter reduction from the 90s of the last century. In general, by the 50s of this century, Latvians will remain 50 percent in relation to their national number under the USSR. It's the same in Lithuania.
          They die out and scatter from their "democratic" paradise. This is cruel, for them, the truth
          The same will be the fate of Ukraine. Well, Europe does not need the Eastern Slavs, if only as consumables in opposition to Russia. If they read, then let them think!
          1. +3
            February 23 2023
            I will add. The population of another eastern country, Bulgaria, in the years 45-91, under the USSR, VD and NZV, over 45 years, increased from 7.00 to 9.05, by two million. With "democracy", in the EU and NATO, over 33 years it has decreased from 9.05 to 6.75 mil. minus 2.3 mils or -25%. Just genocide. At the same time, the population was robbed not only quantitatively, but also genetically. The West took away the most healthy, intelligent and educated people. Well, just the most beautiful, that is, fertile girls. Ask where Trump's wife is from ... Conclusion - joining the EU deadly for east. European peoples.
            1. +1
              February 26 2023
              Stankow is right. Bulgarians for 30 years minus a quarter of the population. And this is on an exceptionally fertile land. Black Sea, Danube, 250 sunny days a year, not cold in winter, spring and autumn are amazing, summer is moderately hot, grapes everywhere, mountains in the east, crossroads of supply chains, close friend Russia and close to Turkey, Greece, Hungary, other western countries. But...
    2. +30
      February 20 2023
      Everyone forgets that the attacks were a reaction to the explosion of the Crimean bridge. They were propagandistic in nature, not military. The fact that it is useless, or rather harmful, I wrote with the first blows. Everything is too predictable.
    3. +19
      February 20 2023
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      And so, only irritation of the "one people"

      As such, there was no particular irritation. The habit developed in the dashing 90s, when electric power was turned off every day and for a long time, had an effect.
      But, we must agree with the author about the inefficiency of these strikes. In the Sumy region For 2 weeks now, electricity has not been turned off and even street lighting has been turned on, before the curfew. By the way, both gasoline and gas are available at gas stations, but in March of last year, both disappeared. Yes, food prices have risen a little, but they are there. Well, we also have rising food prices and not only.
    4. +2
      February 20 2023
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And also headquarters, communications and finances ...
      And so, only irritation of the "one people" No.

      He has not been alone for a long time, these tales are harmful and have caused thousands of lives of our soldiers in the name of a single people, you need to fight according to all the laws of war if they shoot to beat regardless of the presence of civilians who have long been jumping on the Maidan shouting Moskal at knives.
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      And also headquarters, communications and finances ...

      This will not happen, as an answer to her may follow and they are afraid for now.
      Until now, missile strikes have not been carried out on bridges and railway junctions, which, in theory, can indeed affect the course of hostilities.

      Who said that they don't hit the knots. They beat when there is an accumulation of equipment.
      Instead, missiles are hitting Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities, which have no effect on the situation on the fronts.

      Well, traction substations are much easier to disable than a bridge.
      Actually, at the end of November, retired Lieutenant General Viktor Sobolev, in comments to Russian media, stated that from a military point of view, strikes on the energy system of Ukraine had no effect.

      Well, after his proposal to shave everyone and take away non-statutory equipment, I very much doubt his competence.
      Another article sucks
    5. +3
      February 20 2023
      At first, everyone says: it is necessary to take out the infrastructure, when they take out the infrastructure, they start saying it's all wrong, without specifics and even couch advice. In fact, the results are already there, even taking into account the existing reserve of energy capacities, moreover, the RF Ministry of Defense is adjusting its strategy, concentrating already on the removal of thermal power plants, which level the losses of the already destroyed energy industry. And lighting on the street is a necessary measure, because the energy generated by the reactor must be spent during periods of low loads. By the way, enemy propaganda has already squealed about the lack of effect from our missile strikes, which means there is sense and the desire to take out the infrastructure alone, the effect will be, if not today, but it will
      1. You
        +1
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Free
        moreover, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is adjusting its strategy, concentrating already on the removal of thermal power plants, which level the losses of the already destroyed energy industry. And lighting on the street is a necessary measure, because the energy generated by the reactor must be spent during periods of low loads.

        Do you read news? Go to the UKRENERGO website. In Kyiv, for 2 weeks, the electricity has never been turned off, and a week ago, ALL electric transport was launched. Shutdown schedules are valid only in Odessa, only once every couple of days. There was also street lighting during blackouts, just according to the schedule they cut down blocks and high-rise buildings and lanterns, read the Odessa publics.
      2. +1
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Free
        adjusts its strategy by concentrating already on the removal of CHP,

        This is a dumb idea. The high-pressure cylinder of a turbine is protected no worse than a tank. The number of power plants in Ukraine is measured in thousands. If it were so easy to destroy energy, then the Ukrainians in the Donbass did it a long time ago
        1. -1
          February 21 2023
          Quote: ism_ek
          The high-pressure cylinder of the turbine is protected no worse than a tank.

          The tank can be destroyed and the turbine, unlike the tank, does not move anywhere. The article is trite lies and demagogy in the interests of the oligarchy.
      3. 0
        February 21 2023
        They endure it badly, that's the main question
    6. +4
      February 20 2023
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      this knot had to be destroyed and a few more bridges and tunnels

      If we were to hit on electricity, then it was necessary to extinguish power plants. And if you don’t touch the railway, because of trade interests, then the power plants, because of this, don’t hammer. In short, a circus tent for the population of Russia. It would be possible to have fun too, if not for human sacrifices... But apparently someone needs such a scam.
      1. +3
        February 21 2023
        Quote: skeptic
        But apparently someone needs such a scam.

        Who knows. Permanent members of the Forbes list.
    7. +6
      February 21 2023
      Not a single bombardment without military success on earth has yet led to a military victory. Let's remember Vietnam, on which more bombs were dropped than in the entire WWII combined, the bombing of London, Germany, Japan
  2. +15
    February 20 2023
    Instead, missiles are hitting Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities, which have no effect on the situation on the fronts.
    From the word completely
    1. +12
      February 20 2023
      Well, I did not say that they would not affect the word at all. A strike on them, of course, is not as directly effective as a strike on warehouses with fuel and lubricants, which paralyzes the combat capabilities of motorized units. But in the conditions of the current hostilities, there is no such thing as a permanent fuel and lubricants warehouse for a long time, it is maximally distributed and decentralized. Plus, there are missile launch tracking systems hanging in the sky that track the trajectory and direction of launches. And in the end, it turns out that there are almost no targets for medium-long-range cruise missiles as such. Because, taking into account constant relocations, it is difficult to guess where the same mobile headquarters will be located, and by the time the rocket arrives, it most likely will not be there. So it remains to hammer with rockets on the energy infrastructure, which cannot make legs. After all, otherwise life will seem like honey there - the whole world helps, we beat the "orcs" on all fronts, sit at home and watch the news. But while rockets are flying and falling, the idea that you need to "get out of this country" will never leave. And aggressive mobilization, dissatisfaction of the eastern regions with the western ones will only strengthen this idea. Every person from the country who made his feet is a minus mobilization reserve for them. And if the missiles do not fall, everyone will sit exactly on the priest and run from the subpoenas, but the last thing is how it will turn out.
      1. +20
        February 20 2023
        The bridges will be gouged, the Ukrainians will begin to ferry on pontoons, they will shout here, destroy the bridges inefficiently. Before these blows, they shouted, it is necessary to knock out the energy, now they are used to it, it is already not enough, inefficient.
        So it’s inefficient to knock out soldiers, new ones will be sent, mines are ineffective, but the tank will be repaired.
        Everything is effective in the complex, there is no old hottabych who pulled one hair out of his beard, and Victory. Even if you get drunk on barley porridge, crawl to the trenches and fart there, it will be effective if you do it constantly, methodically.
        1. +14
          February 20 2023
          Quote: Shark Lover
          Bridges will be gouged, Ukrainians will begin to transport on pontoons, they will yell here, it is inefficient to destroy bridges

          Pontoons will not provide the necessary capacity. It was the destruction of the Antonovsky bridge in Kherson that became the main reason for leaving the Dnieper.
          Bridges need to be hammered down. Massively, and purposefully.
          1. -9
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Pontoons will not provide the necessary capacity.

            The United States during the Korean War was unable to interrupt the crossing of reinforcements for the Chinese People's Volunteers across the Yalu River. Although then US aviation did not lose the ability to fly freely over the territory of the DPRK and Manchuria. Near Kherson, the Russian army made no attempts to create reserve crossings and did not make intensified attempts to restore damaged crossings. The error in strikes against the energy sector is that the VKS do not strike again after a few hours at the damaged object in order to cover the teams of repairmen and firefighters.
            If the Yesoi Khmayers had hit the bridges near Kherson once a week, then the crossings across the Dnieper were just as successfully restored as the transformers. An important mistake is that the VKS do not hit substations at nuclear power plants. It is nuclear power plants that provide 60% of generating capacity. The failure of all other substations can reduce generation by 30%, which is not critical for Ukraine. It should be remembered that industrial consumption in Ukraine has decreased by a factor of 1991 since 2, and energy consumption has also fallen accordingly. Until the summer of 2022, Ukraine exported electricity to Europe. Strikes on the energy sector required strengthening the air defense system of Ukraine away from the front. Otherwise, the West would have transferred armored vehicles, artillery and aircraft to Ukraine instead of air defense. Ukrainians have to send literate conscripts to serve air defense. Otherwise, they would have been involved on the front line. It should be remembered that strikes on the energy sector of Russia cost a minimum of money - this is a couple of yachts of Russian oligarchs and the fortune of a dozen stars of Russian television. Consider the effectiveness of strikes against other elements of Ukrainian statehood. Russia received 95% of losses in attempts to knock out the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Result: hardly more than 200 Ukrainian punishers were killed. But in 000, about 2014 Ukrainian boys were born in Ukraine, who will more than replace those killed. That is, strikes against the power industry are no less effective than the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the actions of armored vehicles, aviation and infantry against the Armed Forces of Ukraine. How many dozens of tanks were lost near Ugledar in the last attacks. The tankers who died under the blows of ATGMs and long-range artillery were able to kill at least a couple of APUs? How much money and resources did Russia spend on the offensive towards Kyiv, Kharkov, Izyum and Liman? The result is a retreat to Kupyansk and Kremennaya. Putin just needs to direct all the resources to the production of missiles and drones. Football players, gymnasts and figure skaters can be put on starvation rations. In addition, you should remember about measures to reduce the harm from strikes on the power grid. The Ukrainians turn off the electricity for the duration of the strikes. And if a city of a million people does not work for 250 hours, then this is tantamount to killing 00 people, if the loss of working hours is correlated with the time a person has worked in his entire life. That is, the article is from the evil one and its goal is to stop the most effective strikes against the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There are many opponents of Putin and supporters of Zelensky in Russia. It is they who continue to supply ammonia, gas, oil through Ukraine and prevent attacks on oil refineries and chemical plants in Ukraine.
            1. +33
              February 20 2023
              There are many opponents of Putin and supporters of Zelensky in Russia. They continue to supply ammonia, gas, oil through Ukraine

              Oh, they are rascals! Bypassing Vladimir Vladimirovich they are driving and driving our property to the west!
              We urgently need to tell Putin, guys!
              1. -1
                February 20 2023
                Quote: Arnok
                Oh, they are rascals! Bypassing Vladimir Vladimirovich

                The same thing happened in 1916. As Solzhenitsyn assured, the tsarist industry produced so many shells that they were enough for the victory of the Bolsheviks in the civil war and for Stalin's victory over the Germans. However, on the Russian front of the First World War, shells, especially for heavy artillery, were sorely lacking. In the scandalous book of N.N. Yakovlev about World War 1, Masons are accused of this, who dreamed of overthrowing the power of Nicholas 2 and the Russian nobility and taking his place. Yakovlev wrote this book under the tight control of the KGB officer Bobkov, who then either went to serve Gusinsky, or tried to become his roof in order to milk Gusinsky. The acute shortage of shells among the most combat-ready units at the front allows us to conclude that the forces dreaming of making a revolution in Russia decided to repeat the success of their predecessors according to the patterns of February 1917, and it was they who had already taken the stations where shells and mail with a telegraph could be loaded, which could send requests to ammunition. Find them a wagon for the trip V.V. Putin and Kabaeva from Moscow to Yekaterinburg after that is easier than a steamed turnip. By the way, Strelkov's resignation is reminiscent of the resignation of Nikolai Nikolaevich during World War I. Then Nicholas 1 removed his relative from the levers of control in the imperial army, although it is unlikely that his relative sanctioned the abdication and execution of the imperial family.
                1. +9
                  February 20 2023
                  As Solzhenitsyn assured, the tsarist industry produced so many shells that they were enough for the victory of the Bolsheviks in the civil war and for Stalin's victory over the Germans.
                  Not the right source to refer to. Even democratic Wikipedia does not agree with this statement of his. He wrote a lot and publicly called in the US Congress to destroy the USSR in a nuclear war. And the ordinary deserter himself, who managed to sit down for this in the camp before the adoption of the law on the execution of deserters.
                  1. +3
                    February 20 2023
                    Quote: AKuzenka
                    Even democratic Wikipedia does not agree with this statement of his.

                    All sources writing about the revolution and World War I confirm that the reason for the defeat of Russia in 1 was the catastrophic shortage of shells at the front and the inability of the interim government to bring the shells sent from France and Great Britain from Murmansk and Arkhangelsk to the front. Vikzhel constantly threatened to strike governments that he did not like until Pyatnitsky changed the leadership of this trade union, first creating a parallel trade union body of railway workers, then pitting the pro-Bolshevik trade union with the anti-Bolshevik one and then dispersing Vikzhel. Putin needs to learn from Lenin that in order to fight his opponents, he must rely on grassroots organizations and their leaders, and not on the old elite that made its way up under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. That is why the liberals directed all the points of their spears not at Surkov, Medvedev, Bortnikov, Shoigu and Volodin, but at Strelkov and Prigozhin, seeing in them and not in the FSB, the police, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the army, a force capable of stopping a new pro-Western revolution in the likeness of August 1918- October 1991. In 1993, the Riga OMON came to the defense of the USSR and in Latvia jokingly dispersed the entire opposition of the USSR, and the FSB in Moscow, Kiev, Chisinau, Ashgabat, Tbilisi, Yerevan, Baku, Tashkent handed over both Kryuchkov and his country to nationalist separatists.
          2. 0
            February 20 2023
            Absolutely agree! Bridges, tunnels, depots, junction stations - that's what had to be knocked out from the very beginning to this day. But here the reason is different: Aviation, due to the work of air defense, is not used (bomber) for its intended purpose. And such a number of missiles with an accuracy of hit, apparently, is also not very good with us. Plus the effect of the media! What if we don't get in? It's an image. Here everything is mixed up in a heap and this leads to pumping up Khokhlostana with weapons and equipment. And most importantly, soldiers are dying, in numbers much more than could be
            1. +2
              February 21 2023
              In your opinion, it turns out that in Russia there is not enough aviation and ground and ship missile weapons to destroy or critically damage several dozen key transport infrastructure facilities in Ukraine on the way to the NVO zone. How, then, will Russia be able to fight not with Ukraine, which is inferior to it, in any case it was inferior before the start of the NMD, in these types of weapons many times over - up to several dozen, but with the United States and the NATO bloc? And how then did German aviation in 1941, many times less powerful than modern Russian aviation (not to mention the powerful high-precision missile weapons of Russia, which the Germans simply did not have), destroyed Soviet railway junctions, without giving our command in a timely manner transfer troops, weapons and ammunition to the front. This ensured their tremendous success at the beginning of the war. And why, then, throughout the war, the opposing sides fought so desperately for bridges that were strategic objects? Many hundreds, if not several thousand, of rockets have already been fired at Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities with little or no benefit to our army fighting at the front. This would be enough to smash almost all the important objects of the transport infrastructure of Ukraine, at least near the NVO zone, into dust. But bridges across the Dnieper and other large rivers on the way to the NWO zone, as well as railway junctions and other important transport infrastructure facilities, were not even attempted to be destroyed. There is a clear deal. Certain political and economic interests of the forces ruling in Russia turned out to be higher than the interests of our army and Russia as a power.
          3. +5
            February 20 2023
            It was the destruction of the Antonovsky bridge in Kherson that became the main reason for leaving the Dnieper.

            Not only. Another thing is that pantone and ferry crossings across the Dnieper were in the shelling zone. And their reliability and strength have no comparison with a permanently built reinforced concrete bridge.
          4. +12
            February 20 2023
            Before the start of the SVO, there were many articles about 500 kg and 1500 kg bombs, about the fact that Iskanders have BGs with a thermobaric charge, and that these weapons are capable of destroying both bridges and train stations in open areas, at the present time they write that it is extremely difficult to destroy bridges. I had to read a lot about corruption in the state, and the fact that it poses a real threat to the existence of the state, we probably have come to a critical point, and the future of the country depends on how all institutions of power work.
            1. -1
              February 20 2023
              Quote: Sergei Fonov
              capable of destroying both bridges and train stations in open areas

              Thermobaric ammunition is capable of destroying the station building, but not the bridge structure. From the fact that there will be no roof over the cashier and the head of the station, the ability of trains to carry cargo will not be lost. A laptop in a warm tent or kung can easily replace all the functions of a railway connection. Starlink to help him. And in Ukraine, Dell products are able to work even in frost -15 degrees.
              1. +4
                February 21 2023
                But why didn't they even try to destroy the bridges? And what will happen if several Caliber or other missiles, well, or several multi-ton PTABs fall on the railway junction? That's right, almost the entire infrastructure of the station will be disabled for at least a few weeks, as well as many trains, locomotives, etc., and as a result, trains will no longer go through this station, and in general, the possibilities of Ukrainian railway transport will be limited . And what if the strikes are carried out on many stations on the way to the NWO zone? That's right, the railway network of Ukraine will practically stop working here. As a result, thousands of ukrovoyaks, hundreds of pieces of equipment and weapons, hundreds of thousands of tons of ammunition, etc. will not get to the front. Those who still go to the front and kill Russian soldiers and civilians of Donbass, other new and old Russian territories there.
      2. +18
        February 20 2023
        "So it remains to hammer with rockets on the energy infrastructure, which cannot make legs."
        bridges and tunnels, too, cannot be made by legs, and wheel replacement points, and refineries. but for some reason they are not touched. maybe they are afraid that some kind of effect will appear, and not just firing missiles in that direction?
        1. +5
          February 20 2023
          Quote: aglet
          "So it remains to hammer with rockets on the energy infrastructure, which cannot make legs."
          bridges and tunnels, too, cannot be made by legs, and wheel replacement points, and refineries. but for some reason they are not touched. maybe they are afraid that some kind of effect will appear, and not just firing missiles in that direction?

          It is as if the Kremenchug Oil Refinery did not move to Poland. It is quite in place and regularly gives out products to the mountain.
          1. +1
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            It is as if the Kremenchug Oil Refinery did not move to Poland.

            After World War II, the United States and Great Britain evaluated the effectiveness of air strikes against Germany. Experts came to the conclusion that only attacks on oil refining facilities were effective and Allied aviation, focusing all aviation on strikes on oil refining, could really bring victory over Hitler closer. During these strikes, US aviation suffered heavy losses and regularly switched to other targets in order to pull apart air defense systems. By the way, the effectiveness of strikes against energy facilities can be judged by the fact that 2 air defense systems were delivered to Ukraine since the beginning of these strikes. About 1140 missiles are used per week for attacks on power facilities, that is, about 60 calibers were used from September to February. And the enemy brought in 400 installations and at least 1140 ammunition for these installations to counter them. It is surprising that Putin is careful about the Kremenchug oil refinery and spends the forces of his special forces in frontal attacks. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not experiencing difficulties with refueling Khmyers, self-propelled guns and tanks with fuel, then neither Akhmad, nor Wagner, nor Alfa with Vympel have any chance of reaching Kremenchug.
          2. +4
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            It is as if the Kremenchug Oil Refinery did not move to Poland.

            An army needs 10 times more fuel than ammunition. One effective strike that would destroy the Kremenchug plant would require the transport of fuel for the Armed Forces of Ukraine from central Europe, which would complicate the supply logistics much more than the complete destruction of all bridges across the Dnieper.
          3. +14
            February 20 2023
            It is as if the Kremenchug Oil Refinery did not move to Poland.
            Most likely it belongs to one of the oligarchs of the Russian Federation, and therefore the whole. After all, money is more important than the lives of soldiers. "Women are still giving birth!" This is the usual logic of the capitalist.
            1. +5
              February 20 2023
              The plant is half owned by Tatneft Minnikhanov
    2. +16
      February 20 2023
      Quote: parusnik
      Instead, missiles are hitting Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities, which have no effect on the situation on the fronts.
      From the word completely

      You need to ask the General Staff and the President about this! And what can we, ordinary readers and writers of VO, answer? Nothing! This we do not know why bridges and well. the stations are intact, and our stock of missiles is being used for no one knows where!
      1. +22
        February 20 2023
        why bridges and stations are intact,
        Because no one canceled the contracts, a huge penalty will follow.
        1. +11
          February 20 2023
          Quote: parusnik
          Because no one canceled the contracts, a huge penalty will follow.

          Did you draw these conclusions after the explosion of pipes at the "SP"?

          Why lie? Russia has a great many reasons to terminate the contracts.
          But that's kind of an oxymoron. Everyone knows everything, everyone understands everything and continue to support the economies of countries that supply weapons and assistance to Ukraine - a country that kills Russians ...
          * * *
          The author writes:
          Secondly, many Ukrainians do not understand what the true goals and intentions of Russia are, and how serious these intentions are.

          The intentions of the citizens of Russia are simple and understandable and may not coincide with the intentions of Russian capitalists, for whom this entire campaign of denazification and demilitarization is a source of super profits, because how can you just steal 267 dollars from a country where the NWO is underway? And where did these dollars end up in these sticky hands?
          The lack of a clear ideology in the Russian government is the only obstacle to achieving any positive goals and inability to offer something in return for the Ukrainian people, who are in a state of thirty years of brainwashing...
          All this sluggishness is seen even by our comrades-in-arms in the fight against the hegemon.
          1. -1
            February 20 2023
            The contract is valid in both directions, and no one wants to lose money.
          2. +1
            February 20 2023
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: parusnik
            Because no one canceled the contracts, a huge penalty will follow.
            You made these conclusions after the explosion of pipes at the "SP"
            This is not a conclusion, but the main premise about "Putin's oligarchs-friends." All private conclusions are made on its basis, playing in the mind of an unthinking reader the role of a kind of confirmation of the truth, the solidity of the premise itself.
      2. +23
        February 20 2023
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        This we do not know why bridges and well. the stations are intact, and our stock of missiles is being used for no one knows where!

        Because some are fighting, while others are trading, what is there incomprehensible?
        1. +11
          February 20 2023
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Because some are fighting, while others are trading, what is there incomprehensible?

          Agree. Those in power have no desire to win, in my opinion, they want to sweep all the dirt under the carpet and pretend that nothing happened. I don't understand, do they really not understand that without our victory they will repeat the fate of Gaddafi, Milosevic and many others. It is possible to negotiate with the West only if they are afraid of us, and now there is none. In order for it to appear, it is necessary to test nuclear weapons, its practical demonstrative use (it is possible in space to disable satellites in response to a terrorist attack against a joint venture, or in Western Ukraine through a transport tunnel).
          1. +6
            February 20 2023
            Quote: qqqq
            I don't understand, do they really not understand that without our victory they will repeat the fate of Gaddafi, Milosevic and many others.

            And you read about the Nuremberg trials, and then tell me whether the true culprits and warmongers were punished, that is, the German, American and European monopolies, and the Japanese monopolies? How did Krupp suffer, for example? They don't give a damn about those talking heads we see on TV.
            1. +4
              February 20 2023
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Were the true culprits and warmongers punished?

              I agree with this, but the punishment overtook the media characters and who made the decisions. Some oligarchs may be pardoned in our country, though they have robbed them to the skin, but it is unlikely. We are untermensch for the West, the lesson of 2008, when only ours were stripped, is indicative. And as for the leadership, in general, we are not talking about any kind of preferences, what will be possible to see with them using the example of S. Hussein. Therefore, I do not understand the weakly expressed desire to win, I do not see any reason why our money bags, that people who make decisions, could not be robbed and indicative of The Hague.
              1. +5
                February 20 2023
                Quote: qqqq
                Some oligarchs may be pardoned in our country, though they have robbed them to the skin, but it is unlikely.

                Listen, who is robbing them there if they are now buying airports in the West.)))
                Quote: qqqq
                punishment overtook the media characters and who made the decisions.

                He did not make decisions, but voiced decisions that were beneficial to German corporations (in the first approximation).
                Quote: qqqq
                And as for the leadership, in general, we are not talking about any kind of preferences, what will be possible to see with them using the example of S. Hussein.

                And what does it matter to what will happen to officials, say, Abramovich? As far as I know, he voluntarily gave money for the sale of Chelsea to Ukraine.
                Quote: qqqq
                I do not see any reason why our moneybags, that people who make decisions, could not be robbed and indicative of The Hague.

                And because moneybags operate by corporations, for example, Kolomoisky is a co-owner of the Raspadskaya mine (the same one), everything is so intertwined there that not only Russian and Ukrainian moneybags receive profit from the war. Everyone will be smeared, why should they?
              2. -2
                February 20 2023
                Quote: qqqq
                I don’t understand the weakly expressed desire to win
                Desire to win whom? Ukrainians? So do not take off the war, we only denazify and demilitarize them. Americans, or their notorious "internal state", which is waiting for the weakening of the Russian Federation by Ukrainians and Europeans, so that they can be thrown into the meat grinder to the fullest? What exactly do you see as a manifestation of weakness in the absence of a desire to win with a cavalry charge or erasing Ukraine into nuclear dust?
            2. +3
              February 20 2023
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              How did Krupp suffer, for example?

              I will add that the West was preparing a new war, already with us, so no one was particularly touched. Everyone was needed. And now, in the event of our loss, there will be no competitors for them, not even China, so no one should wait for mercy, neither rich nor poor.
              1. +4
                February 20 2023
                Quote: qqqq
                I will add that the West was preparing a new war
                The West, represented by the masters of world capitalism, whether figuratively the Anglo-Saxons, or directly ghouls from transnational monopolies. By and large, Hitler was brought to power in order to make an anti-USSR from Germany defeated in World War I. In Nuremberg, it was necessary to judge not only the German Nazis, but also those who gave birth to them, who profited from the war.

                Now they have made anti-Russia out of Ukraine, but the question is, from whom and for what did they make our oligarchs? A lot of powerful things remained from the Soviet Union, primarily nuclear missile weapons. Who was Yeltsin, a naive simpleton, a traitor, who destroyed Russia too openly, and a riot could happen? Has the West taken into account the failed policy of Yeltsin, has it become more cunning when things are done in Russia under fireworks and holidays, under the speculation of the victory over Hitler and the former care of the common people from the Soviet regime? Probably, otherwise, how to understand that they say one thing beautifully, but often do the diametrically opposite ...

                Finally, why did they wait for 8 years, did not understand where things were going, did not see that Russians were being killed in the Donbass? Now this SVO, where they devastate the arsenals of ammunition and military equipment, put men in frontal attacks, and there is no end in sight to this war. There is no visible solution with import substitution, the transition of the economy to a forced regime, to mobilize all forces. Without this, how can we defeat the West, the entire power of the economy of world capitalism, maybe we will empty our reserves, and the proteges of the West in Russia will already be able to surrender to their masters, having marked out before the people "stubborn resistance" to the West?
                Based on what is happening, bad conclusions are being drawn.
                1. 0
                  February 20 2023
                  About the Austrian artist - who was his adviser in the process of becoming - (a long one, because of a puddle and great friends with their president)? At first they prepared against England in order to squeeze its colonies out for themselves, the British, in response, set the artist against us (so as not to rake themselves)
            3. +3
              February 20 2023
              And you read about the Nuremberg trials, and then tell me whether the true culprits and warmongers were punished, that is, the German, American and European monopolies, and the Japanese monopolies? How did Krupp suffer, for example?

              Very interesting question.
              Which is more comfortable, living in a losing country with access to your property in the West - or in a winning one, in which you do not fly to the Maldives?
              This is an example, I hope you understand what I'm talking about.
          2. +2
            February 20 2023
            Yes, nothing will happen. All agree with everyone, not the first time. And the king will continue to rule and the people will celebrate the "victory". That's why there is a TV with the Internet to explain everything to everyone
        2. +12
          February 20 2023
          As I understand it, the pumping of Russian gas to Europe through Ukraine continues. Plus, dark affairs with the assets of Russian rich people abroad - it’s really possible to take it, confiscate it or not touch it. Infa flashed that the surrender without a single shot from Kherson was somehow connected with some oligarch's honestly acquired and sent abroad money (other assets).

          Apparently - bridges, tunnels are real, and not Russian blah blah blah "red line" from NATO.

          The experience of the Second World War in the West (especially the seizure of France), the annexation of the Czech Republic showed that in any case, the rich, first of all, do not save their homeland, but their "bread and water" accumulated "overwork" wealth. There are individual exceptions that only confirm the general rule.

          Picture in the theme from the wonderful Bidstrup.
          1. +11
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Timofey Charuta
            the rich, first of all, do not save their homeland, but their "bread and water" accumulated "overwork" wealth.

            Yes, they don’t have a Motherland, money and power, that’s their Motherland.)))
          2. -6
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Timofey Charuta
            Infa flashed that the surrender without a single shot from Kherson was somehow connected with some oligarch's honestly acquired and sent abroad money (other assets).
            Already past your one right eye, such an important infa will not slip unnoticed. And if it were not for him, they could become OedipusHomer, seeing through space and time. Have you thought about upgrading your Barmaley?
        3. +1
          February 20 2023
          Because some fight and others trade

          Britain in WWI blocked all sea trade for Germany and at the same time did not depend economically on Germany.
          Today, the economy of the Russian Federation is based on digging, pumping, primary processing and loading the transportation of raw materials, if you stop selling raw materials, then a large number of people working in these industries will lose their jobs, and the economy will stop. So there is no way out.
          1. +5
            February 20 2023
            Quote: nickname7
            if you stop selling raw materials, then a large number of people working in these industries will lose their jobs, and the economy will stop. So there is no way out.

            Is this a new training manual that arrived in time?
          2. +3
            February 20 2023
            So they said on TV that China will buy everything. How not to believe the TV?
    3. +7
      February 20 2023
      Quote: parusnik
      From the word completely

      In the absence of electricity, railways (electric locomotives, traffic control systems ....) stop working, which makes it difficult to transfer manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Machine tools at factories, welding equipment stop working. Cellular communications, the Internet, automated control systems ..... Why is it not effective? There are no graphite munitions in the Russian Federation, but only they ensure the effective destruction of energy facilities. An example of Yugoslavia, NATO has this type of ammunition (graphite bombs) And Yugoslavia was bombed in the Stone Age, in the first month of hostilities! hi
      1. +10
        February 20 2023
        Quote: fif21
        And Yugoslavia was bombed in the Stone Age, in the first month of hostilities!

        You always scolded the United States for bombing peaceful cities, and now you set them as an example, how is it? Was it really impossible to bomb railways, bridges, road junctions, military enterprises, oil refining, but not touch cities and leave people without light and heat in the winter?
        1. -2
          February 20 2023
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          You always scolded the United States for bombing peaceful cities, and now you set them as an example, how is it?

          I still consider the United States a terrorist country! And their governments are criminals. But this does not prevent me from studying their methods of warfare. The graphite bomb is filled with graphite powder, which disables electrical equipment (substations, transformers, power lines) and creates huge problems for repair teams. I think about the life of my people, let them think about the life of the enemy's people. hi
        2. +1
          February 20 2023
          Of course not. The city is just a bigger target. These actions are not for efficiency, but for spectacular reports.
      2. +2
        February 20 2023
        There are no graphite munitions in the Russian Federation, but only they ensure the effective destruction of energy facilities.

        This is you, my friend, turned down. The child prodigy is straight, primitive in manufacture.
        The point is the number of "ammunition" per object. 0,01 and 10 on a potential target is a big difference. The proportion in Ukraine is not at all the same as in Yugoslavia.
        Or, in simple terms, there are not enough missiles that have broken through (that is, taking into account air defense). Well, there is simply not enough quantity, given the number of objects.
        There are no volleys of 250 ... 1000 missiles, as it would be necessary for this number of targets.
        Yes, and the recovery is not due to the broken industry with a cumulative effect - but due to imports. Physicists say it's an open system. Not at all closed.
        Not enough strength...
        And proper use - which is especially important when there is not enough strength.
        Where are the conclusions from? From the result.
    4. +2
      February 20 2023
      actually affect, on the industrial potential, for sure
      but since the EU war machine compensates for this, it’s not noticeable

      in general, the most priority goal in this situation is the transport system, it provides everything now, but it is almost impossible to disable it, since Ukraine is a large country and has a very developed road network. It's like building barriers for ants - they'll tread a new path anyway. It would be nice to remove the bridges, but apparently again we can’t, it’s very costly and ineffective to “calibrate”, something more serious is needed, for example, bombing. And here is the wedge - there is still air defense, long-range air reconnaissance is provided by NATO. Some non-trivial approach needs to be sought.
      1. +4
        February 20 2023
        Quote from Aleprok
        actually affect, on the industrial potential, for sure
        but since the EU war machine compensates for this, it’s not noticeable

        How do urban substations affect military installations? They have their own substations, plus emergency power supplies.
        Quote from Aleprok
        Some non-trivial approach needs to be sought.

        The approach is just "very trivial" here, it's just that some people need to stop trading with the enemy, and there they will effectively "calibrate" the transport structure, and oil refining, and military enterprises, and ports, and much more.)))
        1. +2
          February 20 2023
          What do you mean by emergency power supply? The generator will not pull the plant or factory. And if you mean the power source of another substation, then it must also be destroyed
    5. +11
      February 20 2023
      From the word completely


      It also influences how, only our elite prefers to conduct business transit through the territory of the enemy and loves to play kind grandfather very much, only at the cost of the lives of our guys, and hence all the inefficiency of strikes to the energy system.
    6. +17
      February 20 2023
      Instead, missiles are hitting Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities, which have no effect on the situation on the fronts.
      From the word completely

      Yes, no one beats, that's the trick. In Ukraine, there are only 7 substations 750 kV, forming a network. Transformers are unique, there is nothing to restore. But nobody touches them. Although there are plenty of the same Iskanders with their 500 kg of warheads and accuracy. The question is not for the military, but for the traders. That's all.
      This NWO began with a really important strategic task for Russia - to prevent the creation of a NATO foothold in Ukraine. But after the incompetent failure of the "blitzkrieg", the oligarch traders became the main ones. Their dream is to "return everything back" until February 2022. And Putin is not a decree for them, the power in the knees is rather weak.
      1. +2
        February 20 2023
        Actually, recently the Ukrainians themselves said that out of 20 powerful transformers they had 2 left ... it is not clear how the power system functions without them?
      2. 0
        February 20 2023
        Quote: dauria
        after the mediocre failure of the "blitzkrieg", the oligarch traders became the main ones. Their dream is to "return everything back" until February 2022. And Putin is not a decree for them
        What prevents them from stopping the NWO even today, if they are "the main ones"? You would ask the oligarch traders, since they let you in on their dreams.
      3. 0
        February 20 2023
        In Ukraine, there are only 7 substations 750 kV

        The 750 kV main line is part of the Soviet line, which ran from east to west across the entire USSR and made it possible to transfer electricity due to the difference in time zones and, accordingly, the consumption peaks were different in different parts of the country.
        For Ukraine, this network is of much lesser importance, since it is all located in the same time zone.
      4. +3
        February 20 2023
        This "weak power" will crush anyone to powder for the sake of preserving the system.
    7. -4
      February 20 2023
      Quote: parusnik
      From the word completely

      The blows to Ukraine's energy sector have severely reduced the capabilities of its industry. Information slipped on the Internet that the restoration of the consequences of these blows would take 15 years and would cost $120 billion. Ukraine has stopped the export of electricity. And this is about 10-20% of its generating capacity. We expect first a strong reduction in cash payments to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then to the police and SBU officers. And then the policemen will no longer zealously catch draft dodgers, and the lads will have an incentive to mow down from mobilization. I don’t think that the cost of strikes on the energy sector of Ukraine is more expensive than the cost of battles near Ugledar, Artemovsk and Marinka, and the effect of these strikes is probably higher.
  3. +5
    February 20 2023
    That's right, they don't fight with air defense, if you want to actively use UAVs for reconnaissance, increase the sortie of fighters with anti-radar missiles and launch under their cover, like decoys and attack aircraft, you can shoot hundreds of kilometers from the air defense lbs .. The Beskid tunnel is more alive all the living, there, at the entrance to the tunnel, saturate several tens of meters thin, it’s easy to pierce with a dagger and damage the tunnel itself ... in December we fired about 500 missiles, send 80 missiles to one bridge, I think the bridge would have folded or the span would have fallen, no more geraniums got it repaired....
    1. +31
      February 20 2023
      10.02.2023 - 6: 30
      Have you noticed that there is no shortage of oil products in Ukraine? There is an explanation for this | Russian spring
      The deputy of the last legitimate convocation of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Oleg Tsarev asks reasonable questions about the work of the Ukrainian oil refinery.

      “Did you notice that there is no shortage of oil products in Ukraine? There is an explanation for this. And this is not only the supply of Russian oil products.

      The fact is that the largest oil refinery in Ukraine, the Kremenchug Oil Refinery (Ukrtatneft), continues to operate. And it works at full capacity. Some time ago, after April 2, 2022, the owners of the plant spread information through all channels that the plant was put out of action due to massive shelling from the Russian Federation and was standing still.

      At the same time, in fact, the plant never stopped.

      For some time he worked at low power without flares in the pipes. Finished oil products were taken out by trucks at night. Now they have stopped hiding - the torch burns around the clock, finished oil products are taken out by rail. Even in the public Ukrainian space, information about his work appeared.

      The plant, transferred to the Ministry of Defense for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and with might and main openly supplying fuel and lubricants for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has not yet been destroyed. A plant filled with flammable oil products is easily set on fire and very difficult to extinguish. It is impossible from the point of view of common sense to explain that the plant is still working, ”he writes in the author’s Telegram channel.
      1. +17
        February 20 2023
        Have you noticed that there is no shortage of oil products in Ukraine?
        Nothing surprising. During the Chechen period, oil transshipment companies paid "tribute" to Chechen fighters, so that those terrorist attacks would not be carried out in cities on the Black Sea coast, where oil was transshipped, and in our town, in former pioneer camps, militants "come to their senses".
      2. +29
        February 20 2023
        Is there any common sense in the actions of our Defense Ministry in this operation ????
        1. +5
          February 20 2023
          You're right! It is difficult to look for a black cat in a dark room if it is not there. feel
      3. +18
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Dead Day
        It is impossible from the point of view of common sense to explain that the plant is still operating.

        Common sense suggests that someone is at war, and someone has a mother, there are no other explanations and cannot be.
    2. 0
      February 20 2023
      It turns out that we do not hit one object with a fist, but with a splayed palm, trying to hook more.
      1. +7
        February 20 2023
        It turns out we beat not with a fist at one object, but with a splayed palm
        No, we clap our hands in one place.
    3. 0
      February 20 2023
      Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
      Send 80 rockets to one bridge, I think the bridge would have folded

      The span would be restored in 3 days. The effect of the Khmyers strikes on the bridges across the Dnieper was that they were daily and covered the repair crews. Now the VKS send 80-100 missiles once a week. This may be enough for 2 bridges, but 20 bridges require more than 1000 missiles about once a week. The Aerospace Forces are not able to interrupt the supply of Artemovsk in conditions of muddy roads along 1 road 10 kilometers from the front, and you hope for the effectiveness of attacks on bridges. On the other hand, energy strikes have reduced industrial production in Ukraine. This will soon reduce state budget revenues, which will inevitably lead to a reduction in reliable allowances for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine and the police.
      1. +4
        February 20 2023
        will reduce state budget revenues, which will inevitably lead to a reduction in reliable allowances for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine and the police

        Will not reduce. All the main income from the West is there. So while they fight, they will be fed.
        1. -4
          February 20 2023
          Quote: Arnok
          Will not reduce. All the main income from the West is there.

          Already lowered! Zelensky announced a reduction in payments to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, PMC "Mozart" of the United States, left Ukraine due to lack of funding. All these billions go to pay for the military-industrial complex of the West. What Ukraine receives is stolen, and half of it reaches its destination at best. hi
        2. 0
          February 20 2023
          Quote: Arnok
          Will not reduce. All the main income from the West is there.

          It seems to have already decreased. Read the news. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the old money is paid only to those participating in the offensive. Information about the ineffectiveness of attacks on Ukrainian energy facilities and the reduction in payments to soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine came on the 1st day. The economy of Ukraine trembled and this trembling touched the Armed Forces of Ukraine!
    4. +1
      February 20 2023
      The Beskydy Tunnel is more alive than all the living
      Next to the double-track new Beskid tunnel, the old single-track continues to operate. Therefore, damage to the portal during last year's bombardment did not interrupt the movement in principle, and the blockage of the rock was cleared in a couple of days. There are three tunnels on this branch through Mukachevo, but on the second branch of the railway through Uzhgorod there are as many as 11 short tunnels. There is where to practice if you want, but any damage from the Caliber is for two days of work with an excavator. It is very difficult to collapse a tunnel in the depths of a mountain. They do not write anything about the warehouse in Delyatyn collapsed by the Dagger, how effective the blow was. It is possible that they have already cleared everything there and got to the ammunition.
      1. 0
        February 21 2023
        it means that it is necessary to wet the excavators at the time of clearing sad
    5. 0
      February 20 2023
      Oh, how simple it is. You propose to build 200 fighters and 500 attack aircraft, circle them and click on the target. In computer games, this tactic does not always help.
  4. +9
    February 20 2023
    Why are strikes against Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities ineffective?

    Because in a war, strikes should be delivered on the following objects (ranked in descending order)
    1. Army management structures: high command, general staff, communications system.
    2. The most combat-ready units of the army.
    3. The location of strategic weapons, ammunition depots, weapons and military equipment.
    4. Industrial infrastructure: mining, heavy and chemical industries in the first place.
    5. Road network and its infrastructure facilities (bridges, tunnels, depots, airfields, ports)
    6. Warehouses for food and medicine.
    7. And only after that it is possible to screw up the energy infrastructure.
    But we, as always, started from the end of the list.
    1. -1
      February 20 2023
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      But we, as always, started from the end of the list.

      Destroyed energy is a stop of industry, electric locomotives. Energy strikes consume 60 missiles a week. What will you do with such a number of strikes on the depot? The diesel locomotive cannot be repaired under an awning or in an open field? US aviation was unable to destroy even 4 railway bridges across the Yalu during the 3 years of the war, although the air defense of the DPRK was much weaker than the Ukrainian one. By the way, there is an effect of strikes on the energy system. The reduction of the monetary allowance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began.
      1. +2
        February 20 2023
        The reduction of the monetary allowance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began.

        It is not the monetary allowance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that should be reduced, but the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine should be radically reduced.
        1. -1
          February 20 2023
          Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
          the number of APUs should be radically reduced.

          The losses of the state from the death of its 12000 fellow citizens are tantamount to turning off the power in a million city for 3 hours.
    2. 0
      February 20 2023
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      But we, as always, started from the end of the list.

      Or maybe all over the list at the same time? wink
      1. +1
        February 20 2023
        Or maybe all over the list at the same time?

        Can. And even necessary. But for the time being, the main features of our high command will be indecisiveness and caution, the hunt for transformers will be in fashion.
    3. +1
      February 20 2023
      Shooting at what is easier to hit
  5. +1
    February 20 2023
    I think the reason for this choice of objects of missile strikes is the following reason - both warring parties are forced to comply with certain conditions for conducting hostilities. Because if one of the parties violates these very conditions, serious retaliatory actions will follow that will only make the situation much worse for both sides. One of these conditions, I believe, is the guaranteed preservation of the Lend-Lease supply channel from Europe and minimal impacts on the transport infrastructure. Because no matter how we say that we were crushed by sanctions, they are mostly public in nature and their ban completely concerns military technology. Many large companies were forced to break open supply channels, which did not prevent them from continuing to work through a bunch of gaskets, intermediaries and the so-called "parallel" imports. Of course, these intermediaries, gaskets are periodically caught on the head from the West, but new ones appear in their place and, although not so quickly, the critically needed supply of imported technologies and resources is replenished. But if in one day our missile strikes destroy the entire infrastructure for the delivery of equipment from Poland and Western Ukraine to Eastern Ukraine and the entire military infrastructure, the West will impose such sanctions, lower such an Iron Curtain that the mouse will not push through and we will only have to watch how it comes out of building logistics, power grids and communications infrastructure. Airplanes will fall, trains will stall, machines will fail, communications and the Internet will disappear. And on the part of Ukraine, the counter-measures are this very Lend-Lease and the help of the West, only thanks to which it can replenish its material part and infrastructure. And this lend-lease is also limited in order to prevent damage to the NATO army itself and to prevent a situation where the very aggressive Ukrainian military nationalists fall into the hands of the same ATACMS missiles, which certainly will not fail to hit them on the Crimean bridge. The same Himars, I think they are completely under the control and responsibility of Western instructors.
    1. +16
      February 20 2023
      I'm wildly sorry, but are we having a war or a walk in the park smelling flowers? If there is a war, then all your writings come down to a proposal to behave like nerds behave when gopniks clean their pockets - "I will not twitch much, and they will not beat me hard for this." It's disgusting to read. But in fact, war is either you or you. And it is necessary to beat to death and without regard to who will do what, what he will say and how he will look.
      1. -5
        February 20 2023
        There is one such channel in the cart, Adventurer's Notes. There I remember the author wrote poetry in the style - "you will not kill him, he will kill you." Only in a more aggressive style, altering Ehrenburg's poems about the German. But here you need to understand one thing - we do not have the Second World War in our yard, when both sides waged an unlimited submarine war because they could do it without losing anything. And if you sink an American transport tomorrow with help for the Square, what do you think will follow? In the context of globalization, no country can exist in isolation from others. No matter how we yelled that the whole West is against us - but in fact it is not so. They, too, are not complete suicides and understand that help for the forelock needs to be done only in moderation. So that they can resist and inflict accurate painful blows on us, make some limited advances. They do not need a direct victory for the forelocks - because this will most likely lead to the beginning of an exchange of nuclear weapons. They need our country to survive another 1917, so that, under the guise of troubles of new political candidates, they can finally take full control and "civilize" us in their likeness. In the 90s, they already tried to do this - but it turned out not at all what they wanted.
        1. +3
          February 20 2023
          "And if you sink an American transport tomorrow with help for the Square, what do you think will follow this?"
          no need to sink the American ship. you need to either blow up the tunnel in the beskydy, or capture Odessa. and let the Americans sail through the woods
          1. 0
            February 20 2023
            The capture of Odessa is not even fantasy... Fantasy with magic and elves. There will be no capture of Odessa in the next 100 years
        2. +6
          February 20 2023
          Quote from Luto Kris
          There is one such channel in the cart, "Adventurer's Notes"

          Already gone. The author died under murky circumstances. The same Igor Magnushev, callsign Bereg.
      2. -1
        February 20 2023
        In the Second World War, our bombers flew to Berlin back in 41, they bombed factories, the Britons, the Yankees bombed everything, and the Reich fought before the 45th.
        Road spoon to dinner. They will blow up the plant, lay pipes, they will refuel in Poland. The former Ukraine would have been demolished in half a year, without it. But another thing arose, in the form of NATO, these will find how and where to deliver. It is necessary to spread it at the most necessary moment, for a week or two, so that it becomes a stake, then the effect will be. And so they restore it.
        1. -3
          February 20 2023
          I think this is just one of the most sensible thoughts in all this mess of comments. Here, of course, everyone wants to be methodically hammered and hammered, but even there they will methodically restore. But in place of the old bridges, paths, tunnels, others will be laid, which will need to be re-searched and hollowed out again. And so at least it is possible to take the old supply channels under passive control. It's like a multi-headed hydra, cut off a head and another one will grow elsewhere. I think such blows to the entire transport supply chain will be inflicted only when Ukraine finally loses its value for the West and becomes a heavy burden on the economy. After all, maintaining another country completely on subsidies, and even with the constant destruction of everything that goes there, will still affect the wallets of ordinary citizens. And it will be harder and harder to convince the average burgher that prices are rising because you need to help the Square.
      3. +3
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
        I'm wildly sorry, but are we having a war or a walk in the park smelling flowers?

        Let me remind you - we have a CBO (decode it as you like) request hi
      4. 0
        February 20 2023
        You have been popularly and more than once explained that this is not a war, but your own. People have been trying for a whole year, telling ...
    2. 0
      February 20 2023
      Common sense is not welcome here. Here everything must be in ruins. Emotionally, this is understandable, so do not try to calm your wife who has entered the stage of hysteria, just be silent, or agree))))
      1. +2
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Shark Lover
        just shut up, or acquiesce))))

        They forgot the third option - bream. wink
  6. +6
    February 20 2023
    Finally, an article on a "burning" topic, which for some reason is bypassed by most "experts". Thank you.
    PS The absence of a real effect (except for the picture for Russian TV) was obvious back in November for those who think and compare.
  7. +12
    February 20 2023
    "The Armed Forces of Ukraine are sufficiently provided with generators, which are massively supplied to Kyiv by the West."
    Generators run on diesel and gasoline. In this regard, the question is: "Where are the strikes on Lukoil?"
  8. +14
    February 20 2023
    Everything is very simple, the Abramovichs and the company are doing their business! And we have them running errands, and on both sides! So that our guarantor does not declare there (by the way, now he has gone into the shadows, maybe he is preparing for his main performance tomorrow?) He is a cog in a non-working mechanism!
    1. +7
      February 20 2023
      Everything is very simple, the Abramovichs and the company are doing their business! And we have them running errands, and on both sides!
      You know, when they occupied Kherson, at our enterprise, there was talk that another branch of our enterprise would be organized there, the conversations quickly subsided, and then ... then they handed over Kherson. In Mariupol, a temporary port administration has been created, there is no talk of creating a branch of our enterprise there.
      1. +1
        February 20 2023
        Quote: parusnik
        In Mariupol, a temporary port administration has been created, there is no talk of creating a branch of our enterprise there.

        There are their own bourgeois, and they do not like strangers. However, like everywhere else! Remember how Putin choked when the Lugansks said that the coal would be theirs? hi
  9. +10
    February 20 2023
    Missiles, obviously, are few. Managerial chaos and stopped machines at the military-industrial complex cannot be blocked by any diesel generators.
    But on the transport hubs - the author is right. One littered Baskid would create big problems in logistics.
    The Kremenchug Oil Refinery, Boryspil, and the railway infrastructure seem to be naively cherished for the Medvedchuks.
  10. +4
    February 20 2023
    I agree that strikes should be delivered on bridges, or near bridges. For example, if you hit a funnel near the bridge, and then if water gets there, blurring occurs. They say that we cannot break bridges, but next to the bridge? Is it really impossible to hit leaving a 20-meter funnel. It would be possible to hit the roads leading to the bridge, and then the bridge itself. Often, in front of the railway bridge, saturate 10-15 meters, if you break this saturate to water, the road will begin to erode.
    The impact of a cruise missile not on the bridge itself, but on the support will knock the bridge down, why can't the missiles be set up so that they hit the supports?
    You can hit the railway station, disable the railway tracks
    There was an idea to spread the tracks away from the station, to destroy the repair equipment on the tracks, where they repair the railway tracks
    It is necessary to destroy the machines that repair the railway tracks, they usually stand at the stations
    1. +1
      February 20 2023
      They say that we cannot break bridges, but next to the bridge?

      The Russian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on the Preobrazhensky bridge across the Dnieper in the city of Zaporozhye.
      The bridge was attacked on Thursday afternoon, 21 April. One of the missiles was shot down by air defense and fell on the banks of the Dnieper, the second hit the target - the Preobrazhensky Bridge across the New Dnieper.


      The bridge stood as it was. Aircraft are needed to strike bridges, missiles are not enough
  11. -3
    February 20 2023
    However, until now the air defense systems of Ukraine have not been suppressed - from time to time the RF Armed Forces identify and destroy Ukrainian air defense systems, however, these actions are of a focal, tactical nature, and do not affect the overall picture of hostilities in any way. Why this happens is not entirely clear.
    I wonder how many times it is necessary to explain that the air defense of Ukraine works according to information from NATO radars and satellites?
    From a military point of view, as already mentioned above, these strikes are meaningless, since they do not lead to the isolation of the combat area and do not affect the situation at the front in any way.
    They just forced to stop the factories that carried out the repair of equipment on the territory of Ukraine, and the use of trains.
    until now, missile strikes have not been carried out on bridges and railway junctions
    After the hit on the railway, a team of repairmen will come and fix everything in a couple of hours.
    1. +10
      February 20 2023
      What kind of NATO radars and satellites are there, AWACS sees a fighter at a distance of 400 km ... this is the Kyiv region, and the battles are going east. Well, in order for the satellite to give live air defense data of a fighter that flies at a speed above sound, this is a pancake star wars .... the satellite has a viewing area width of a couple of tens of kilometers. Plus, it’s as if the sky is very often cloudy .... about the repair of bridges and railways, well, ours tried to repair the Kherson bridge, it ended with a blow to the repair teams ..... what prevents us from doing this or sending cheap geraniums
      1. -2
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy
        ours tried to repair the Kherson bridge

        After that, 20000 people with all the equipment were calmly taken out.
      2. 0
        February 20 2023
        1. What fighter flies at a speed above sound without afterburner?
        2. The US has the largest satellite constellation
        3. The satellite is needed to open the preparation for takeoff, it does not give target designation
    2. +14
      February 20 2023
      I wonder how many times it is necessary to explain that the air defense of Ukraine works according to information from NATO radars and satellites?

      You write about things you don't understand at all. No. AES are unable to consistently detect air targets, and even more so to issue target designation to air defense systems. The most they can really do is detect missile launches and build approximate trajectories. As for the NATO radars, in order not to smack nonsense, study the range of their action. In the past, there have already been publications on this topic at VO.
      1. -6
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Tucan
        As for the NATO radars, in order not to smack nonsense, study the range of their action.
        Well, you are proposing to fly into their zone of action.
        Quote: Tucan
        In the past, there have already been publications on this topic at VO.
        From taxi drivers and hairdressers?
        1. +7
          February 20 2023
          Quote: Dart2027
          Well, you are proposing to fly into their zone of action.

          Please quote me, where did I offer something? Radars located in Poland are capable of monitoring approximately 1/3 of the Ukrainian territory in the western regions.
          Quote: Dart2027
          From taxi drivers and hairdressers?

          Do you only read taxi drivers and hairdressers?
          1. +4
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Tucan
            Quote: Dart2027
            From taxi drivers and hairdressers?

            Do you only read taxi drivers and hairdressers?

            Everyone judges by himself and chooses sources in accordance with his own worldview and intellect ... request
            1. -6
              February 20 2023
              Quote: Bongo
              and chooses sources in accordance with his own attitude and intellect.
              That you are self-critical.
              1. +9
                February 20 2023
                Quote: Dart2027
                That you are self-critical.

                Are you writing to a person who, apart from other works, has more than 600 publications on VO alone? I bow to your intellect... wassat
                1. -6
                  February 20 2023
                  Quote: zyablik.olga
                  Are you writing to a person who, apart from other works, has more than 600 publications on VO alone?
                  And?
          2. -4
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Tucan
            Please quote me, where did I offer something?

            So it’s not you who are dissatisfied with the fact that the Aerospace Forces do not poke their nose into the territory of the enemy in his rear.
            Quote: Tucan
            Do you only read taxi drivers and hairdressers?
            There are enough of them here.
    3. -1
      February 20 2023
      "After the hit on the railway, a repair team will come and fix everything in a couple of hours."
      the road will stop for two hours! and two hours later, send another rocket to another place so that the repairmen would travel longer, and then another one. so is it possible?
      1. +1
        February 20 2023
        Quote: aglet
        and two hours later send another rocket to another place to
        spend all the rockets (expensive both in terms of money and production time) on rails (penny in terms of both money and production time).
        1. +5
          February 20 2023
          Quote: Dart2027
          on rails (penny and in terms of money and time of manufacture).

          Do you know how much the asphalt of the Antonovsky Bridge costs? wink A penny, compared to Hymars missiles. fool
          1. +1
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you know how much the asphalt of the Antonovsky Bridge costs? A penny, compared to Hymars missiles.

            It's funny, but it's the other way around.
            Do you know how much Hymars rockets cost in Ukraine compared to the asphalt of the Antonovsky Bridge? They don't cost anything. Ukraine received these missiles free of charge, that is, for nothing, and asphalt in Ukraine costs money.
            1. 0
              February 20 2023
              Quote: Rosemary
              Ukraine received these missiles free of charge, that is, for nothing,

              All weapons supplied to Ukraine go towards debt. And the price of missiles is higher. Do not engage in casuistry.
              1. +5
                February 20 2023
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                All weapons supplied to Ukraine go towards debt.

                For what debt? All weapons are currently provided to Ukraine from the United States under programs that do not provide for reimbursement of their cost.

                Now Ukraine receives weapons under three main programs in the field of security and defense, provided for by the US Law "On the continuation of allocations and additional allocations to Ukraine for 2023": the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI), Foreign Military Financing (Foreign Military Financing, FMF) and Replenishment of US weapons stocks.

                These programs, unlike Lend-Lease, do not provide for reimbursement by Ukraine for the cost of the provided weapons.
                1. -1
                  February 20 2023
                  Quote: Rosemary
                  For what debt?

                  There is such a thing as shareware. Or do you think that the pendos will not return theirs?
                  Again to the bridges - despite the cost of destroying bridges, hitting them is vital.
          2. -3
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you know how much the asphalt of the Antonovsky Bridge costs?
            Is this the bridge that was used without problems during the withdrawal of troops and undermined by our sappers?
            1. +3
              February 20 2023
              Quote: Dart2027
              This is the bridge that was used without problems during the withdrawal of troops

              Wait, so the officials banally lied, sayingthat the destruction of the bridge was the reason for the withdrawal of troops from the right bank?
              1. -6
                February 20 2023
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Wait, then the officials
                a lot of things were said.

                Surovikin: - Comrade Defense Minister! I report. We have successfully countered all enemy offensive attempts. During the repulsion of his attacks in the area from August to October, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost more than 9,5 thousand servicemen killed and wounded, more than 200 tanks, 500 armored combat vehicles, about 600 vehicles for various purposes and more than 50 artillery pieces and mortars.

                As you know, the attacking side suffers greater losses than the one that is on the defensive. In this case, our losses are 7–8 times less than those of the enemy. We think first of all about the life of every Russian serviceman.

                The enemy strikes at local governments, schools, hospitals, other socially significant facilities, civilians who are evacuated to the other side of the Dnieper, as well as at humanitarian aid distribution points.

                We successfully reflect these attacks. About 80-90% of missiles are shot down by Russian air defense systems. At the same time, up to 20% of them still achieve their goals. The engineering units of the grouping of troops restore the Dnieper crossings almost daily and take measures to keep them in working order.

                Under these conditions, the city of Kherson and adjacent settlements cannot be fully supplied and function. Lives of people are constantly in danger due to shelling. The enemy is firing indiscriminately at the city, it is possible to use prohibited methods of warfare.

                The regional administration decided to evacuate the population from the right bank of the Dnieper to the Crimea and other regions for this reason. Currently, all those who wish, this is more than 115 thousand people, have left the area. We did our best to ensure safety during the evacuation. The implementation of the enemy's plans to create a flood zone below the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station can lead to dangerous consequences. This is confirmed by constant missile attacks on the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, as well as on the spillway gates of this dam. So, on September 26, one of the spillway gates was struck and damaged.

                Intensive discharge of water through the dam of the Kievskaya hydroelectric power station and hydroelectric power station downstream, carried out since October 10, is also a cause for concern about the spill of this river in the channel area and flooding of coastal areas.

                If the Kiev regime decides to further increase the flow of water from reservoirs or a more powerful missile attack on the Kakhovka dam, a flow of water will form that will create vast flood zones and lead to significant casualties among the civilian population. There will be an additional threat to the civilian population and the complete isolation of our group of troops on the right bank of the Dnieper. Under these conditions, the most appropriate option is to organize defense along the barrier line of the Dnieper River.
                Comrade Defense Minister! Comprehensively assessing the current situation, it is proposed to take up defense along the left bank of the Dnieper River. I understand that this is a very difficult decision. At the same time, we will preserve the most important thing - the lives of our servicemen and, in general, the combat effectiveness of the grouping of troops, which is futile to keep on the right bank in a limited area. In addition, part of the forces and means will be released, which will be used for active operations, including offensive ones, in other directions in the operation zone.
                https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/11/09/71803574/
                1. +6
                  February 20 2023
                  Silly excuse. The left bank is lower and more flooded. Moreover, the use of water discharge is a Pandora's box.
                  The troops were withdrawn for two reasons - the lack of personnel and the difficulty of supply. And Surovikin was appointed to voice excuses.
                  1. -4
                    February 20 2023
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Stupid excuse.
                    Who said? There is an official statement that you tried to distort.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    using water dump is Pandora's box
                    Do you mean the people who shelled the nuclear power plant? Seriously?
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    lack of personnel and supply difficulties
                    About the lack there
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    In addition, part of the forces and means will be released, which will be used for active operations, including offensive ones, in other directions in the operation zone.
      2. 0
        February 20 2023
        Quote: aglet
        so is it possible?

        For this you need to think! And if there is one convolution, and that one is from a cap, then excuse me! hi
      3. 0
        February 20 2023
        No, that's not possible. The first missile will be intercepted and the second too.
    4. +6
      February 20 2023
      Quote: Dart2027
      I wonder how many times it is necessary to explain that the air defense of Ukraine works according to information from NATO radars and satellites?

      I wonder how many times you need to explain that this is not true?
      Ukrainian radar means of detecting air targets
      https://topwar.ru/201755-ukrainskie-radiolokacionnye-sredstva-obnaruzhenija-vozdushnyh-celej.html

      Get enlightened and you will be happy.
      1. -5
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Bongo
        https://topwar.ru/201755-ukrainskie-radiolokacionnye-sredstva-obnaruzhenija-vozdushnyh-celej.html

        At the end of February 2022, most of the Ukrainian P-37 and 5N84A radars and associated radio altimeters located in stationary positions were destroyed by missile and air strikes or as a result of shelling from the ground during the offensive of Russian troops.

        As of 2014, more than half of the radars controlling the airspace over the territory of Ukraine were Soviet-made radars: 5N84A, P-37, P-18, P-19, 35D6 and 36D6.

        Simply put, only what remained after the USSR and was outdated by 30 years. As for the fact that they developed something there and put it into service, they couldn’t make a mortar, what kind of radars were there. Will there be more stories?
        1. +4
          February 20 2023
          Quote: Dart2027

          Simply put, only what remained after the USSR and was outdated by 30 years. As for the fact that they developed something there and put it into service, they couldn’t make a mortar, what kind of radars were there. Will there be more stories?

          It also says:
          Thanks to the release of new radars and the modernization of Soviet-built stations, Ukraine has managed to maintain a good level of equipment for radio engineering units in the Air Force ...

          The main areas of modernization were: a partial transition to a modern element base, the introduction of digital signal processing, the use of modern means of displaying and transmitting information, as well as the restoration of the main components and mechanisms with an extension of the resource.

          The rearmament program for modernized and new radars, as well as their types, is disclosed in sufficient detail.
          You did it: “I read here, I didn’t read here, but here I wrapped a herring” ... fool
          Before writing nonsense and pulling quotes out of context, ask how much and where Ukraine exported the 36D6 radar.
          1. -6
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Bongo
            The rearmament program for modernized and new radars, as well as their types, is disclosed in sufficient detail.



            Quote: Dart2027
            As for the fact that they developed something there and put it into service, they couldn’t make a mortar, what kind of radars were there.

            Quote: Bongo
            ask how much and where Ukraine exported the 36D6 radar


            ST68UM "Niva" (Russian designation 36D6, NATO designation: "Tin Shield") is an air defense radar for reconnaissance and target designation of the former Soviet Union.
        2. +3
          February 20 2023
          Mortar and radar are not the same thing. Radars were made and missile homing heads were made, they were exported and for themselves.
          1. -4
            February 21 2023
            Quote from: Alex_mech
            Mortar and radar are not the same thing.
            Of course, the mortar is much easier.
            Quote from: Alex_mech
            Radars were made and missile homing heads were made, they were exported and for themselves.
            Well, where is it all? YOU remembered about missiles - why are they begging for missiles from the USA:
            1. 0
              March 12 2023
              Because little has been done. Two missiles were enough for Moscow, but the complex itself is in a single copy.
      2. +3
        February 20 2023
        Thanks for the enlightenment!
        One of the best articles on VO that I have seen.
    5. +2
      February 20 2023
      A team of repairmen will fix it in a couple of hours if you break a single-track in the field. If you smash the junction station (of which there are not so many!) - then no brigade will go anywhere. It won't take long!
      1. -2
        February 20 2023
        Quote: German
        If you smash the junction station (of which there are not so many!) - then no brigade will go anywhere. It won't take long!

        US aircraft bombed Dresden in order to prevent the Germans from supplying the eastern front through the railway junction of this city. Railway communication was restored a day after the bombing.
        1. -4
          February 20 2023
          And if you remember the attempts of the partisans to paralyze the railway in the German rear, then the result was nothing. Yes, they blew up trains with soldiers, equipment, etc., causing serious damage to the enemy, but the movement itself continued.
          1. +4
            February 20 2023
            Quote: Dart2027
            And if you remember the attempts of the partisans to paralyze the railway in the German rear, then the result was nothing. Yes, they blew up trains with soldiers, equipment, etc., causing serious damage to the enemy, but the movement itself continued.

            This is not so, if the train was undermined, then the movement could be interrupted for several days or more + total damage ...
            1. -2
              February 21 2023
              Quote: WFP-1
              if the train was undermined, then the movement could be interrupted for several days or more

              Well, depending on what the echelon was with, mostly smaller. But now the technique for sorting debris has been significantly improved.
    6. +3
      February 20 2023
      Well, if, as in the Second World War, put 5-6 kg of TNT under the sleeper, then yes, three hours of repair. I somehow was connected with work on the railway. But if you hit it with a rocket weighing 400-500 kg, then depending on the terrain and the distance from the station, this repair will take at least 5-6 days, this is with a perfectly working system, otherwise two weeks or even more
  12. +26
    February 20 2023
    The inhabitants of Ukraine do not understand what are the true goals of the Russian Federation.. What can I say: the vast majority of the inhabitants of the Russian Federation do not understand what their goals are, with the exception of the Kremlin inmates. So why be surprised
    1. -19
      February 20 2023
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      what goals are

      The goals of the NWO were announced at the beginning.
      Another question is that the SVO itself was planned completely incorrectly due to erroneous data ... Therefore, now the goals of the SVO can be achieved only through the total genocide of Ukrainians ...
      1. +5
        February 20 2023
        Therefore, now it is possible to achieve the goals of the SVO only through the total genocide of Ukrainians ...
        Everyone? And children too? Because they will grow up and take revenge?
        1. 0
          February 20 2023
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          Therefore, now it is possible to achieve the goals of the SVO only through the total genocide of Ukrainians ...
          Everyone? And children too? Because they will grow up and take revenge?


          Everything is possible.
          However, I don't understand why there are so many downvotes. I don't want anyone to die at all. It is in Skabeeva's program that you can often hear theses about the war to the last Ukrainian ...

          And I'm for the fact that the guns finally fell silent.
          1. +3
            February 20 2023
            However, I don't understand why there are so many downvotes.
            Therefore, now it is possible to achieve the goals of the SVO only through the total genocide of Ukrainians ...
            That's why they threw it in. Link, do it, who said it or where you heard and read it.
            1. +4
              February 20 2023
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              That's why they threw it in. Link, do it, who said it or where you heard and read it.


              Yes? And I think it's for this:
              the NWO itself was planned completely wrong due to erroneous data


              After all, the top is not wrong with us. request

              And about "until the last Ukrainian" - what else? It is they who resist mobilization, but when they are at the forefront, they stand to the end, as Prigozhin himself recently spoke about, here is a link for you - https://topwar.ru/210278-osnovatel-chvk-vagner-evgenij-prigozhin-oproverg-otstuplenie- vsu-iz-artemovska.html
              1. 0
                February 21 2023
                Quote: Shoulder straps
                And I think it's for this:

                I'm not sure, but apparently still for it (restrained optimism if so)
                Quote: Shoulder straps
                ... through the total genocide of Ukrainians ...

                I understand that they did not read the comment very carefully and the meaning of the comment is completely different.
  13. +1
    February 20 2023
    On the topic of the article:
    1. The main part of the generation has been transferred to NPP/GRES/import. Due to the danger of man-made disasters, we do not work on the first two, it is pointless to work on the lines from the same Poland, because this will not suppress the generation, and it will take a few hours to throw a new line.
    2. Because such strikes are most effective precisely because they must be combined with strikes against military, political, communications, economic and other centers. Being continuous for a long time and ending in a ground operation - all this the US has perfectly shown in several campaigns.
  14. +5
    February 20 2023

    Here is a blow in front of the bridge, but if it were more accurate, the damage would be greater. In front of the bridge, where the land is, there will be more damage.
    Here's another example, hit in front of the bridge, the bridge will collapse
  15. -13
    February 20 2023
    You read the comments, well, all the experts, all the strategists .. Fill up the tunnel .. So it was built with a margin from a nuclear weapon strike, no caliber would take it, even a dozen. Bridges and the Kremenchug refinery .. Here I agree with the questions.
    Abramovich, he no longer has the oil business. On top of that, the British threw him 4 yards, handsome.
    And another question, the author writes that he is from Luhansk, why is he not at the forefront? Mochem escaped last winter's mobilization in the LPR and DPR?? It's okay to write on the couch, right? Now downvote..
    1. -1
      February 20 2023
      And with us, either in a single impulse, and then a plus, and if you go against the local generalissimo, then immediately minuses)
    2. +8
      February 20 2023
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      the author writes that he is from Lugansk, and why is he not at the forefront? Mochem escaped last winter's mobilization in the LPR and DPR?? It's okay to write on the couch, right?


      Probably not age appropriate.
      The United States, of course, beauties. The timing was perfect. The generation that has experienced a well-fed life under the Soviet Union will no longer be taken to war, and the generation that was already born in Russia does not want to fight, because they don’t understand why, when they were told all their childhood about respected Western partners and they grew up on Western content.
      And now it turns out that those who definitely won’t go to war want to force those who don’t want it and who don’t need it to go to war.
    3. +7
      February 20 2023
      Mochem, mochem ..... It’s not the moment to properly write comments, but so many complaints about the rest ....

      Even if the Germans 80 years ago produced 2 thousand launches of FAAs with warheads of 4 ton in 1 years, and today the limit is 400 kg and the production rate of Iskanders we have by the beginning of CBO is one hundred pieces in ten years, then this is precisely the reason ask "why so"?
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  16. -5
    February 20 2023
    How long will these mediocre people from the Moscow Region continue to uselessly shoot into the void ... It is necessary to send a link to the forum to the General Staff, here people know how, where and where to go ...
    1. +10
      February 20 2023
      The question can be put in another way....

      Can a society of 100 million be generally considered normal, which first asks its crown question: "And for whom else?" .... and then: "Why do the mediocre ones command?"

      But because in the midst of such "gifted from Above" - ​​it is not possible for a smart specialist to advance to the leadership.

      Or maybe there are other reasons why even their own people interfere with the ingenious people ...... bosses?
      1. -2
        February 20 2023
        You know better, I personally have nothing against the Defense Ministry, there are certain shortcomings, blunders, etc., but let them be better identified now, and not during a direct conflict with NATO ...
        1. +8
          February 20 2023
          Quote: Dmitry Trukhtanov
          ...., there are certain shortcomings, misses, etc., but let them be better identified now, and not during a direct conflict with NATO ...

          This is true ..... but it could have been much worse .... There is a blessing in disguise ... But the worst thing is that nowhere no one sees their fault in anything ...... Heads are unanimously turned on each other friend and index fingers poking at each other.
          And how will this thing end?
          As the saying goes "what sowed .. .."
  17. +15
    February 20 2023
    The operation is called special not only because of the special goals set, but also because it was planned by special specialists. In any case, these special specialists from the decks of their luxurious yachts set special conditions for people in wide stripes ... Through these luxurious yachts, the generals in wide stripes were given lists of objects agreed with the West that should not be specially touched ... not touched! Because without these special facilities, the current owners of luxury yachts will once again be like in the early nineties trading only flowers and down jackets. By the way, then these current special specialists who are now already influencing the adoption of special
    decisions of the state, then they were called simple speculators ...
    Well, with so many special specialists, how can this military operation not be called "special"!
    1. -10
      February 20 2023
      Where does such information come from? Did you come up with it yourself? Maybe someone suggested?
      1. +8
        February 20 2023
        Quote: Dmitry Trukhtanov
        Maybe someone suggested?

        There is such a science, mathematics. If, according to the results, it turns out that the result is near zero, or with a minus sign, then either the initial data were such, or the problem was solved
        division and subtraction.
        Did you understand the hint, or do you need to "chew"?
  18. +1
    February 20 2023
    This is a fair remark - until now, missile strikes have not been carried out on bridges and railway junctions, which, in theory, can indeed affect the course of hostilities.

    Through Ukraine and Russia there is a transit of goods from China which brings income to the treasury. The Chinese are already building bypass routes to Europe through other countries. True, REM, tungsten and possibly electronic components for the Western military industry are delivered by rail from China to Europe. But Russia also obtains the necessary raw materials and equipment in a roundabout way. Europe can also receive products by sea, but Russia will have problems because. recruited American agents will report "illegal" shipments across the Chinese border, followed by the announcement of sanctions against Chinese companies. And so it is not clear where the cargo is, either to Europe, or remains in Russia.
    1. +5
      February 20 2023
      Through Ukraine and Russia there is a transit of goods from China which brings income to the treasury.
      And gas goes to Europe through Ukraine, something didn’t freeze this winter, apparently the winter was warm. And at the same time, there is no question of bombing the gas pipeline or turning off the gas.
    2. +2
      February 20 2023
      Quote: smart fellow
      Through Ukraine and Russia there is a transit of goods from China which brings income to the treasury.

      There is no cargo going through Ukraine from China to Europe, if only because there has been no railway communication between Russia and Ukraine for a year now.


      There are two main rail routes from China to Europe:
      1) Trans-Siberian - through Russia and Belarus.
      2) China-Europe - through Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey.
  19. fiv
    +5
    February 20 2023
    From a military point of view, as already mentioned above, these strikes are meaningless, since they do not lead to the isolation of the combat area and do not affect the situation at the front in any way.

    It seems to me that during the hostilities, any strikes against the infrastructure of the enemy are effective, unless, of course, these are strikes against landfills and parks.
    True, the repair of infrastructure facilities has been worked out to the smallest detail. In terms of railway repair, facilities are much more maintainable than energy facilities, and energy equipment is much more expensive, so the destruction of energy causes much more damage. However, about transformers and rails with arrows, you can put new ones. But it takes a very long time to make new people, which means you need to fight with repairmen. And here about the regularity of strikes, I agree with the author.
  20. +2
    February 20 2023
    "If we talk about the multimillion-dollar flow of refugees, then this moment has long been lost - now the borders for men are closed, and everyone who wanted to have already left the territory of Ukraine so long ago."
    Multimillion-dollar flows of refugees are capable of demolishing everything and everyone in their path. The recent example of Europe, which almost collapsed, proves this. But who said that such streams must necessarily be over the hill? In my opinion, their "Brownian movement" inside the country is more destructive. So the moment for creating such streams is not something that has been missed, it has not yet arrived.
    To create such flows, our leadership needs to stop talking about "fraternal people" and its "fraternal civilian population." There is nothing surprising in this; relations between relatives in most cases are many times worse than relations between strangers. So they can remain relatives, but relatives are bastards. It is necessary to act more rigidly, while observing moral decency. With assaults on us. It's time to "tie up" points with infantry forces "on the forehead", the lives of our fighters are also worth something, and not just "brotherly people".
    I'm getting to the point. 3 - 5 days before the assault, the population of the city is notified of its beginning with a proposal to leave the city by all available means (television, radio, Internet, leaflets, etc.). Then - carpet bombing. And no delays!!! The proposal to evacuate must be received by the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in addition, notifications are received by nearby cities and Kyiv. All responsibility for the "peace" in the city is thus delegated to the Nazis. When the time comes to storm Kyiv, the Ukrainians themselves will run out of the city, sweeping away everything.
    1. +1
      February 20 2023
      It sounds menacing, and it could even work, but no one sets the goal of winning the war
      1. 0
        February 20 2023
        There is no "threateningness" here, the usual practice of military operations: before the assault, the population is given the opportunity to evacuate. If the opposing side creates obstacles to evacuation, then this is already a war crime, if someone refuses to evacuate, then he falls out of the category of civilians. As for the goals, demilitarization is what wins the war. So the goal is set, but the ways to achieve it cause, to put it mildly, a slight shock.
    2. -3
      February 20 2023
      This is all true and correct. But we have an economy that does not know how to earn. And even more so in the war. Everything that we destroy will have to be built for budget money. There is a hole in the budget. In a year, budget revenues may be halved due to falling sales of energy resources. If not restored immediately, there will be a humanitarian catastrophe. Like Chernobyl. It will be impossible to live there.
      Unsanitary conditions, stink, infections.

      Any game has principles by which you achieve victory. Score more balls, run faster, duck higher and further. And so on. Our game is to turn Ukraine into a friendly country. This implies both demilitarization and denazification. So. In order to win this game, you need to change the mode. Though physically destroy, even expel from the country. And create your own, new mode. New power. Now imagine what Putin is doing all the time and you will understand that he does not play this game or does not know the rules.
  21. +5
    February 20 2023
    As the saying goes "the price for watchers watchers is higher..."

    . If 30 years ago we watched with interest from the sofas how the defenders of the Supreme Soviet of Russia were dying under tanks, now the whole world is watching us .... .. Only the scale and prices of the spectacle are higher.
  22. +4
    February 20 2023
    If the energy infrastructure facilities of Ukraine are destroyed, enterprises that belong not only to Ukrainian billionaires, but also to Russian ones, will stop. And this is a breach of contracts. Why was the joint venture bombed? So that more gas would come through Ukraine, more volume, more money for transit. They say a lot, we are at war with the collective West, maybe, but trade with the West has not stopped, it has fallen with someone, it has increased with someone, but it has not stopped. The United States is the main bourgeois, "on a trampoline" delivers our astronauts to the ISS. Joint scientific projects have not been curtailed. Why do we not strike at bridges, tunnels, railway stations? Yes, all because the trade is on.
    1. +3
      February 20 2023
      Maybe there is trade, but the benefits from it are cheap, and for the sake of this penny profit, "ruin" people ??? Horror...
      1. +5
        February 20 2023
        And China, that does not bring its goods to Europe? Other countries do not transit? If the NWO has already begun, then "everything froze before dawn" (c)? Has everything stopped? Is the supply of gas to Europe cheap? I haven’t heard yet that Russia has canceled gas supplies to Europe, the valve has been closed. And then they promised to give a "mirror" answer to all sanctions, maybe they did, but what is it?
  23. -3
    February 20 2023
    Again, incorrect reliance on Western manuals of warfare. Yes, if you fight with Denmark and deprive the Danes of light, bridges and stronger, then after some time they will take out the keys to their cities, these are civilized people who value life, we are dealing with orcs, and they don’t care not that the blessings of civilization are their lives do not appreciate, hundreds of people die for nothing every day. In Afghanistan, there is no electricity at all, like in Ukraine, but this did not stop the Taliban from kicking out the Americans. And the strikes on the energy sector pursued only three goals: an increase in the cost of an asset called Ukraine for the west (additional air defense systems, money for the restoration of energy, a decrease in income from the sale of electricity, etc.), disruption of the launch of military production (shells in the same Czech Republic are several times more expensive produce) well, and a sluggish hope that part of the air defense will be removed from the front for cover, so that it would be easier for our aviation to work. ALL!!!! You don't need to invent something that doesn't exist. Well, besides, easy targets, have long been known, will not run away, do not hide, do not want to shoot. And the price of the issue, let, for example, our calibers cost a billion dollars, and the damage and, accordingly, the costs of the West, at least from their words, 3 billion, not to mention the fact that they were not restored by 100%. What we need.
  24. +5
    February 20 2023
    In fact, there were no attacks on the energy sector. There are too many objects, you can't get them all out. And we don’t hit the key few, for which there would be enough missiles.
    There are about one and a half hundred large and medium-sized power plants in Ukraine. Each of them has transformers the size of a two-story house and weighing hundreds of tons. One and a half hundred hits by our missiles are enough to defeat them. But the number of launches exceeded 5 thousand, and not one of these monsters was hit.
  25. +8
    February 20 2023
    I got the impression that these strikes had one single purpose: to frighten and, finally, drag Ukraine into the negotiations that we have been seeking for so long. Because there is no other meaning - the impact on the hostilities is very indirect, but an excellent reason to accuse them of crimes against humanity. But it doesn't seem to work again.
  26. 0
    February 20 2023
    The author is a complete layman in the energy sector. Well, what kind of repairs in a short time, if there are no spare parts, the same transformers. The strikes are very effective, they exhaust the remnants of the Ukrainian economy.
    1. 0
      February 20 2023
      Plus, because - probably the only comment that logically and essentially objects to the author.
      And the question of how effective strikes on other objects is another topic.
    2. 0
      February 20 2023
      Today, electricity is available throughout Ukraine.
    3. 0
      February 20 2023
      Hits are very effective.

      did you read the article?
      Based on data from open sources, as well as messages from Ukrainian residents on social networks, the effect of the latest missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces was minimal. Most Ukrainian cities do not experience any problems with electricity, not to mention the fact that the Ukrainian military did not feel these problems even during the period of rolling blackouts civil facilities. This fact destroys the myth about effective strikes on the energy structure, due to which it is about to fail.
  27. +7
    February 20 2023
    And last year, all sorts of "experts and pros" were indignant at why the infrastructure was not hitting, because with the blows Ukraine would fall into the stone one and the cities would be empty, even a picture from space walked like Ukraine in the dark, our media calculated the percentages of how many more blows to finally turn off the light there . And what happens now, are the strikes not effective or maybe it doesn’t hit in critical places? The same with sweating, they say that the blows were on storage facilities, and not on places where fuel is made, so everything works. In general, once again I am convinced of the strangeness of my own.
  28. +3
    February 20 2023
    Quote: Quote Lavrov
    On the topic of the article:
    1. The main part of the generation has been transferred to NPP/GRES/import. Due to the danger of man-made disasters, we do not work on the first two, it is pointless to work on the lines from the same Poland, because this will not suppress the generation, and it will take a few hours to throw a new line.
    2. Because such strikes are most effective precisely because they must be combined with strikes against military, political, communications, economic and other centers. Being continuous for a long time and ending in a ground operation - all this the US has perfectly shown in several campaigns.

    there is an opinion that if they really wanted to de-energize Ukraine, they would do it faster and more efficiently by moving the substations to 750kv. And a much smaller number of missiles would be enough for this. But then the transit gas pipeline would probably have stopped. Therefore, for the most part, the result of these strikes is the devastation of our arsenals of strike weapons.
  29. -2
    February 20 2023
    many residents of Ukraine do not understand what the true goals and intentions of Russia are, and how serious these intentions are


    do not understand? seriously? or do not want to understand? Putin seemed to immediately explain what we need - a friendly country without the Nazis and NATO, in my opinion everything is very clear

    and it was once, but as soon as we were also given "freedom" - we immediately turned into enemies number 1. So the intentions are very serious, the goals must be achieved, otherwise we will be killed
  30. +3
    February 20 2023
    The TV is still on. Hence the propaganda. TV towers, repeaters, etc. are stationary, motionless targets with known coordinates in advance. Nothing prevents us from striking the TV center in Kyiv and all the TV centers in the regional capitals. But no. Let the propaganda spread
    1. 0
      February 20 2023
      Television centers are the last century, only pensioners in the Russian Federation watch TV ... You write all this on the Internet !?
  31. +4
    February 20 2023
    It was immediately clear that selective strikes on the energy system of Ukraine would bring us nothing but embitterment of the population and waste of missiles. It will also push the population of Ukraine to fight against us. It would make sense if the energy system of Ukraine was carried out "to zero." But this is not possible, because "partners" need to pump gas, oil, ensure the loading of grain ... It turns out strikes on the energy system of Ukraine in this form - just another stupidity of our Defense Ministry. And then the question arises, is it just stupidity or is it something else?
  32. +5
    February 20 2023
    Ha, this is so understandable - break the bridges across the Dnieper and the junction stations and the logistics of the Bandera army will collapse, try to quickly restore the railway bridge. A massive blow to the refinery. And now let's calculate - for each railway bridge 15 missiles, bridges 18-270 missiles, 5 missiles in the refinery, the rest will be completed by fire, and if we take into account the strength and direction of the wind, then the refinery cannot be restored. How many of them are there in Banderlogi - 4? Another 20 missiles.
    2 tunnels to increase the degree of destruction of 20 missiles-40 missiles. Railway nodes - 40 missiles, and if you calculate for echelons with a / c, then the destruction will not be frail. Plus 10% for shot down. In total, 407 missiles, well, round up to 450 missiles. Having spent 450 "Iskanders", "Daggers", "Caliber", X-22-32, and the Bandera army without BC, without fuel, without grub. On pontoon bridges, such a grouping cannot be provided. But things are still there.
    1. +3
      February 20 2023
      here in VO everyone knows this (((but as I understand it, we have a yok in power))) otherwise, in Paris in the Urals, they would have gotten me more and more this war of 1905 reminds me of the one that was with Japan
      1. +3
        February 20 2023
        War with Japan 1904-05 And the war with banderlogs has a significant difference - then, the stupidity-incompetence of the attic of the Empire, but in the present we have mediocrity-incompetence-betrayal in the Kremlin. Putin + biathlete + thieves' channel, that's a noose around Russia's neck.
        To be honest, I don’t understand Putin, is he really so m-m-m not understanding that it doesn’t reach his frontal bone that if he leads Russia to defeat, then for him defeat = gallows, and victory = life. Escape will not work, China will not accept, he does not need a downed Siberian Crane. The rest will simply be handed over to the court and will be, like Saddam, between heaven and earth. What is happening in the attic of the Country is impossible to understand.
  33. +12
    February 20 2023
    Yes, sometimes it seems that the goal of the CBO is not to win, but to lose.
  34. -2
    February 20 2023
    Indeed, based on data from open sources, as well as messages from Ukrainian residents on social networks, the effect of the latest missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces was minimal. Most Ukrainian cities do not feel any problems with electricity, not to mention the fact that the Ukrainian military did not feel these problems even during the rolling blackouts of civilian facilities. This fact destroys the myth about effective strikes on the energy structure, due to which it is about to fail.


    Were there such rolling blackouts?
    Does Ukraine still export electricity abroad, or what?
    Citizens did not feel ... well, this is where it is. Some complained. And it is necessary to take into account, first of all, the consequences not for the inhabitants, but how the lack of energy affected the work of industrial enterprises ... although how many of them are left working?

    "Everything for the front, everything for the Victory"?
    Well, how much has Ukrainian industry developed for the front and victory over the past year? How many guns and tanks did she produce? Is it really more than you managed to beg with an outstretched hand from the pale-faced brothers?

    In short ... "coachman, don't drive ... you drive, coachman" tongue
  35. +2
    February 20 2023
    piss off the local population utterly)) that's the main goal of these strikes. it is necessary to hit the bridges, the headquarters of the railway junctions, and even along the Bankovaya, but Sauron gave the boyish word to Naphthalene that Torchka would not be touched
  36. +10
    February 20 2023
    Why are strikes on Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities meaningless?
    Probably because a simple layman does not have access to all the information about what is happening, as well as the whole plan of the powerful of the world. As a result, we (ordinary citizens) are forced to draw conclusions from the informational noise that falls on us from the media.
    In my opinion, the confusion in the minds of the citizens of our country is due to the fact that our government declares one thing through the media, but in fact does something completely different, and if a citizen has critical thinking, then when he tries to compare what they say and what is done on in fact, he has a cognitive dissonance, hence the misunderstanding of everything that is happening. hi
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  38. +12
    February 20 2023
    This is just an imitation of vigorous activity by our political leadership. Our bosses do not know how to get out of the situation they got into a year ago, and therefore this mouse fuss at the front. As it is already familiar. We pull the rubber, fuss on the spot, and there either the check or the donkey will die.
  39. +7
    February 20 2023
    Over the year, the NWO greatly reduced the military power of the enemy? I highly doubt it. Rather the opposite. And, in general, just the article that we are discussing is meaningless.
  40. +5
    February 20 2023
    If you hit Lukoil and others in the brains who, at their factories in Bulgaria, Romania ... produce oil products and supply them to the Nazis of Ukraine, if you destroy the logistics of Ukraine (bridges, tunnels, junction stations ...), then for the successful conduct of hostilities it was would be much more useful than destroying energy)))
  41. +4
    February 20 2023
    Quote from Aleprok
    Putin seemed to immediately explain what we need - a friendly country without the Nazis and NATO, in my opinion everything is very clear

    So what in the end: got a "friendly country without the Nazis and NATO"?
    their motivation against Russia has only grown
  42. +1
    February 20 2023
    It seems that the ukrofascists, if they receive weapons of destruction over 250 km, then they will not hammer on the Crimea, but will try to strike at the Voronezh or Kursk nuclear power plants. American tactics in conventional warfare. And you don't need a lot of rockets. So what are we going to do then? There are many questions about the organization, conduct and goals of the SVO. God grant health and victory to Russian soldiers!
    1. +4
      February 20 2023
      What do we do? Let us accuse Ukraine of nuclear terrorism and express deep concern. Well, our army does not have an optimally reformed and re-equipped opportunity to suppress air defense, strikes on bridges from the word AT ALL !!! This has long been understood and accepted. Or do you think that our leadership is doing this on purpose, so that more people die. Miscalculations, underestimation of the enemy everywhere and in everything. 1. Why was WAR allowed? Oh, five of us were deceived with the Minsk agreements, like the USSR with NATO! Although the circle kept saying that we will not allow ourselves to be deceived! 2. Ukraine was preparing for the WAR, where our intelligence was, etc. People were told that the Ukrainian army was drinking, shooting at each other and morally decomposing, but this is for the layman, and where were the specialists !!! 3. I started the NWO in the mode of the ward columns and released ukrosollat ​​on a subscription basis - what is it !!!??? 4. Kupyanskaya human tragedy, and in Moscow the day of the city and fireworks, the Ferris wheel opened THIS HOW !!!??? 5,6,7 ... 10,20. Let's see what the president says tomorrow??? The United States has accused us of a crime against humanity! There is no way back or the collapse of the country and The Hague or!!!???
      1. -2
        February 20 2023
        The Hague or

        I think those who started the whole "mess" believed the promises that the international court would bypass them (well, as with the Malaysian Boeing, the abstract "switchmen" were called guilty) ... we believed the promises of the Minsk agreements, etc., etc. ...
    2. +1
      February 20 2023
      From the border of Ukraine to the Kursk nuclear power plant 100 km. So they could and can get it. To Zaporozhye and even less. But, they don’t shoot at reactors. Otherwise, a nuclear strike on Ukraine. That's what Ukrainians are afraid of. And vice versa: if Russia is the first to launch a nuclear strike on Ukraine, then in response it may receive a strike on a nuclear power plant. That's the schedule. Approximately, as the use of chemical weapons in World War II.
  43. +2
    February 20 2023
    It seems to me that the discussion of the reasons will draw on the article. Not magazine.
    1. -1
      February 20 2023
      The time has come that it's hard in a village without VPN...
  44. +3
    February 20 2023
    Attacks on energy infrastructure facilities were to be carried out in the first months of the NMD. Also, in the first months of the NWO, the SVR was supposed to provide up-to-date information about negotiations with Ukraine. Now we learn that the Ukrainian side needed negotiations for the delivery of shells. Whoever made such a mistake that they again hung noodles on their ears should be punished for it. If the GDP once again believed their fairy tales, as he had believed for 8 years, then he must already muster up the courage and go out to the people of Russia with the truth, and go to the factories for the collection of cones.
  45. +2
    February 20 2023
    This war (SVO) belongs to the category of "strange" wars, so there is no need to look for logic here and we can no longer discuss it further.
    But since we are discussing the article, all the same, strikes on the energy sector have consequences (whether they make sense is another question). Like it or not, the restoration of the destroyed takes away resources from Ukraine, and there are so few of them. But they could have been put on another business, you know what.
    Yes, there are no problems with gasoline, but as you understand, building a significant part of the country's energy sector on gasoline is a costly business. Yes, and generators on gasoline and solarium also have a certain resource, and they have to thresh continuously.
    Taking into account the fact that Ukraine is now fully "pleased" by NATO, I get the impression that these strikes are designed not only to make life harder for Ukrainians, but to strain the resources of a united Europe. Like it or not, Europe has to pay for the elimination of the consequences of the strikes ... (spare parts, generators, loans for which no one will pay ...).
    So it's not all that simple. Although personally I am also in favor of hitting the places where wheels are changed on railway cars and other operating oil refineries.
    But they don't ask me.

    P.S. It's a pity that we don't have mass production of Shahid Mopeds. Despite the fact that they are relatively easy to shoot down, they could simply be for the """ air defense of the enemy, given the cost of anti-aircraft missiles in comparison with a "moped". No missiles will be enough.
  46. -1
    February 20 2023
    They look effective, But they are not Because psychological it works against you.
    If you really want control and perhaps.. win this crazy war you need to eliminate some important figures But that looks impossible because they are protected by US, EU
    sulotion 2 is to hit the The capital but that's also impossible because the US and EU created a shield with Diplomats and other (important) puppets.
    But by bombing Power plants you support the US biggest contractors..
  47. -1
    February 20 2023
    Instead, missiles are hitting Ukraine's energy infrastructure facilities, which have no effect on the situation on the fronts.
    Well, yes, it does not affect in any way - after all, before they lived without electricity, without cold and hot water in the apartment, without refrigerators.
    Any vehicle needs repair, even cars. But repairs are needed for tanks, various armored vehicles, etc. Moreover, welding machines, grinding, turning, milling and other machines work manually YES? ))
    And for normal operation, lighting in the workshop is unnecessary? Can you light candles?

    Will the West repair? Well, this technique still needs to be delivered there. It has become difficult for railway transport, for automobiles ... but with such a rally, these cars will also need repairs.
    Well, these are trifles for those who are at the front.

    Question: how long can the front do without the rear?

    And finally, if the family of the author of the article lives without electricity, cold and hot water, without a refrigerator, etc., then this, of course, will not affect the content of his articles in any way? bully
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    1. +2
      February 20 2023
      It all works if REALLY destroy the power grid. And we are doing window dressing. FOR FIVE MONTHS, we are all destroying the power grid. Is there that ALL Ukraine consists of power plants? And all that has been achieved is an increase in the supply of air defense. It's like with the expenditure of shells. Instead of success in battles, they talk nonsense about the expenditure of shells. It's like instead of the number of cured patients, the doctor will report how many pills he prescribed and injections.
  48. -1
    February 20 2023
    It is necessary to destroy the power transformers at the substation. And not by one PS, but by bushes. Then entire regions will be left without tension. And recording 10 kV from the substation of neighboring areas is already a problem. Yes, and in the case of connection, the power in the network will no longer exist. There are schemes of their networks cannot but be.
  49. +6
    February 20 2023
    Actually, at the end of November, retired Lieutenant General Viktor Sobolev, in comments to the Russian media, stated that from a military point of view, strikes on the energy system of Ukraine had no effect, rather, it looked like a political response to Kiev on the shelling of the territory of Donbass.
    There is nothing particularly surprising, that retired, that not, the generals are lobbying for someone's interests, it cannot be otherwise in the current Russian Federation. The question is, whose interests? And here is the most interesting thing ..... Russian VS Energy has become the leader in terms of the number of assets in the three years since the start of privatization. This group belongs to Russian businessmen headed by Mikhail Spektor, it also includes Evgeny Giner, Mikhail Voevodin and former Vice Speaker of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Alexander Babakov. Notes. Information from the State Register of Legal Entities and the SMIDA database was used to prepare the material. Russian businessman Konstantin Grigorishin owns the Luhansk Energy Association (100%) and Vinnitsaoblenergo (72%), as well as 49% of Poltavaoblenergo, 37% of Chernigovoblenergo, 34% of Sumyoblenergo, 30% of Kharkivoblenergo, 27% of Cherkassioblenergo, 21% of Volynoblenergo, 20% of Ternopiloblenergo12 % Krymenergo, 6% Zaporozhyeoblenergo.

    The “nail” of the program is the Russian structure VS Energy, which belongs to Dmitry Firtash and the Luzhnikov group led by Babakov and Spektor. They are the owners of Kirovogradoblenergo (94%), Zhytomiroblenergo (91%), Sevastopolenergo (92%), Khersonoblenergo (90%), Kyivoblenergo (89%), Rivneoblenergo (85%). And also - 50% of Zakarpattyaoblenergo, 48% of Odessaoblenergo, 45% of Chernivtsyoblenergo, 19% of Khmelnytskoblenergo, 13% of Nikolaevoblenergo ..... Oh, how many wonderful discoveries ... this very SVO will bring to us. Since the summer, vague suspicions have begun to torment that they are deceiving with the same SVO, but I can’t understand where? Something is wrong with it. Well, over time, everything falls into place. The question is, why are the soldiers of the Russian Federation fighting and laying down their lives?
  50. +2
    February 20 2023
    "What he doesn't do, he does everything wrong." It's like that, it just blew it.
    Energy strikes are not the worst option. If you beat methodically and with the aim of destroying the system. And if you do it for the sake of doing something, then of course there is no sense. As everyone is used to doing, brush it off and for the sake of show, they do it here. Probably the truth is only mass executions will help. Otherwise, this greedy Caudle cannot be changed.
    I am simply amazed at HOW the command and control apparatus manages to mediocrely lose all its advantages. From the first blow factor to the centralization of critical industries. However, the "results" of the publicized "offensive-grinding" are already visible. Especially under Ugledarom.
  51. +2
    February 20 2023
    Regarding the effectiveness of attacks on bridges and railway junctions, questions to experts:
    1. What array of Caliber missiles is needed to damage a bridge similar to the damage to the Krymsky bridge? At Krymsky there were 3 tons of special explosives, Caliber warhead had 450 kg, and less explosives. According to some sources, Caliber KVO has 3m in the best case (50% of hits with correct operation of the seeker). Several dozen Hymers missiles were fired to damage the Antonovsky Bridge. There is also a lot according to Zatoksky.
    2. What kind of missiles are needed to seriously damage a large railway station and what needs to be damaged there? And how long will it take to recover? It seems to me less than for restoring the same power transformers.
    I'm not saying that this shouldn't be done. But it seems to me that mass destruction of these objects is hardly possible.
    1. 0
      February 20 2023
      And this should not be destroyed with “calibers”. This must first suppress air defense. At least locally. And then break it with MUCH cheaper and more massive bombs. It is not necessary to destroy the railway junction near Lvov. But destroy the railway station in Slavyansk. . Is quite real. This will isolate the Ukrainian Armed Forces group in Bakhmut and there will be no need to engage in mass heroism and idiocy. The Ukrainian Armed Forces broke a bridge 30 km from the LBS. And quite successfully they forced the Russian Armed Forces to retreat.
      Although the bridges across the Volga are quite serviceable.
      My personal opinion is this. If somewhere constant heroism is needed. That means there’s an idiot nearby who’s asking for this.
      1. +3
        February 20 2023
        The air defense of a country like Ukraine, given that it is based on NATO support, cannot be suppressed globally. Most of the systems are mobile, reconnaissance and detection equipment are the same, information travels through space.... the change of OP occurs very quickly...
    2. +2
      February 20 2023
      It sucks not to know and forget how NATO destroyed bridges in Yugoslavia and Iraq with Tomahawks. Some Tomahawks were quite enough to cause bridge supports to collapse into the Danube, Tigris and Euphrates.
      We don’t need to sing these songs here, we’ve already heard enough of them. In 1941, a 250-kg bomb dropped by a Ju.88 was more than enough to bring down the span of the Kryukovsky Bridge near Kremenchug.
      1. +1
        February 20 2023
        NATO "Tomahawks" destroyed bridges in Yugoslavia and Iraq.

        Not with Tomahawks, but with aviation
  52. 0
    February 20 2023
    Well, cities are fattening. Yes. But the village there is worse. Light is given for 1 hour. Then there may not be 4 hours. Then 40 min. Yes, etc. It's more comfortable in cities.
  53. +1
    February 20 2023
    Here’s a mystery for me: We have a thermal power plant in Krasnodar... is there only one... if the turbine hall and the main unit or boilers are destroyed? Well, even in the Russian Federation they won’t fix it quickly. And the consumption is 2-3 warheads of 500 kg each.
  54. 0
    February 20 2023
    When I served in the SA, Ukrainian warrant officers “owned” all the warehouses in our division. I suspect that now their children have risen to the rank of general and all the seats in the Russian Defense Ministry are occupied by Ukrainian generals. Without cleaning the Russian Ministry of Defense of these pests, we will soon surrender Crimea. What makes me happy at the moment is the absence of men in our family, with such military leaders...
  55. +1
    February 20 2023
    The blows were weak. To knock out the entire power grid, it would have been necessary to use ten times as many missiles.
  56. +2
    February 20 2023
    In this war (oh, sorry - special operations) everyone is fighting except the Russian army. Volnovakha was taken by the DPR corps, Mariupol - the same, plus the Chechen guys who were part of the Russian Guard for a minute, continue? For Lisichansk (oh, General Lapin became a hero there, although he was not even close there) I will remain silent at all.
  57. +3
    February 20 2023
    You can think whatever you want, but Russia has already lost this war. The original message was completely wrong, and the attempt to “cover everything up” with the help of PMCs is generally a masterpiece of stupidity.
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  59. -6
    February 20 2023
    Well, we made it! VO began to directly and openly publish articles by Ukrainian trolls aimed at discrediting the RF Armed Forces. A little more, and we’ll start reading articles condemning the SVO on VO.
  60. +3
    February 20 2023
    Everything said is absolutely correct. The blows are delivered for internal consumption, they say, that’s how tough we are, wow, we’ll crush everything. And the blows that would really put a stranglehold on the Wehrmacht - on bridges and transport communications - no, no, nope. After all, the business interests of people pleasing to the top will suffer, and it’s wrong to allow this to happen, these business interests are sacred to the top.
    Therefore, all these blows serve to calm the internal situation.
    Well, and the suppression of air defense - for this it was necessary to immediately fight in earnest and without Istanbul. This requires powerful groups of electronic warfare and aviation assets. And the question is - did they exist? What would end faster - the air defense of the Reich or the small number of Russian combat aircraft?
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  62. 0
    February 20 2023
    The author does not understand the obvious.
    Attacks on the energy infrastructure, depriving Ukrainians of heat, light, electricity, increasing instability of the basic functions of the infrastructure - this is a key step towards the future deindustrialization of Ukraine. Full. Fields and agriculture for the benefit of Russia - that is their destiny.
    We need to start now. Since they don’t want to greet us with bread and salt, we’ll trample them into the Stone Age!
    1. +1
      February 20 2023
      The author does not understand the obvious.

      it's you who don't understand the obvious
      Based on data from open sources, as well as messages from Ukrainian residents on social networks, the effect of the latest missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces was minimal. Most Ukrainian cities do not experience any problems with electricity, not to mention the fact that the Ukrainian military did not experience these problems even during the period of rolling blackouts of civilian facilities. This fact destroys the myth about effective attacks on the energy structure, due to which it is about to fail.
  63. +1
    February 20 2023
    Due to Russian strikes on energy facilities, military enterprises are Ukrainian. began to work at no more than 25% of their possible potential
  64. +2
    February 20 2023
    Attacks on the energy infrastructure of Ukraine, as is known, have become a kind of calling card of the Russian military operation in Ukraine.
    - except relatively recently. Before this, a very unique calling card that caused sincere misunderstanding among the Amers was their absence. Although, maybe this is the author’s irony....
  65. +3
    February 20 2023
    What goal do they even pursue?
    It’s simple, people like it (judging by the comments). This is where the blows come. This is a country of winning “PR” after all.
  66. +2
    February 20 2023
    CURRENT blows are meaningless because they are aimed at small things. Goals that matter are deliberately ignored.
  67. +3
    February 20 2023
    Aggressive mobilization, the collapse of the economy, the depreciation of the hryvnia - all these issues worry the residents of Ukraine much more than missile strikes.
    The author himself writes this and at the same time does not understand that attacks on the energy sector directly affect the economy of Ukraine? ))
  68. +1
    February 20 2023
    How many years or decades will this special operation last? No one knows. But if women there stop planning to have children, then the SVO will definitely end in ten years. With rolling blackouts, washing children's clothes becomes very difficult.
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  70. +2
    February 21 2023
    Before the attacks on the energy system began, Ukraine was an exporter of electricity to Western Europe. Currently, Ukraine is a net importer of electricity from the West. Yes, they are proud of this support, but who pays for it. Of course the West, and completely. For Zelensky, it is important to provide the population with electricity, even to the detriment of the defense industry. Consequently, exporters and the military-industrial complex of Ukraine primarily suffer from attacks on Ukrainian energy facilities. It will be possible to evaluate the effectiveness of the strikes at the end of the year, after receiving data on Ukrainian budget revenues.
  71. +1
    February 21 2023
    Everything in this article is 100% false. If the fifth column had managed it, they couldn't have done it better.
  72. -1
    February 21 2023
    The purpose of these senseless strikes is to make the civilian population as hostile to Russia as possible. This is sabotage. How are the leaders of the Saloreich suffering because of these blows? No way
  73. 0
    February 21 2023
    Apparently few people here understand that the war is not against Ukraine, but against the West, or more precisely against Europe. Arms supplies are like bleeding. Why stop it... These weapons cannot be used properly and are consumed much faster than they could.
  74. +2
    February 21 2023
    And the articles on this site are written by cypsobs, and among those discussing these articles there are a bunch of cypsos. :). They were already swayed by the stupid nonsense about “strikes on bridges and railways.” The railway track is now being restored DURING THE DAY, and with a border length of almost 1000 km, the Ukrainians will find ways to deliver weapons even without bridges. But without electricity, EVERYTHING stops. Experts don’t know basic things, but talk as if they graduated from the Academy under the General Staff :) Admirers of the Girkins and Kvachkovs :)...
  75. -1
    February 21 2023
    a blow to the electrical structure is a hidden, cynical blow to the population!
    no electricity - no money, banks, shops, pharmacies are not working, no water supply!..
  76. +1
    February 22 2023
    Quote: Yeti Suvorov
    So what in the end: got a "friendly country without the Nazis and NATO"?
    their motivation against Russia has only grown


    Motivation increased among those who already had no sympathy for Russia. Now let these “motivated” go to the front, where they will be destroyed without the slightest regret.
    To get a friendly country without Nazis, you must first of all identify and separate those who have a tendency towards this Nazism, and then physically destroy them. And for this purpose, use such “motivators” as geranium mopeds and CDs.
  77. -1
    February 22 2023
    This is a completely different war than the one we learned about in our military schools. I admit that more specialists are needed here. My question is: We did not use up our equipment unnecessarily, the enemy did not want this, is the Ukrainian General Staff better than our Russian General Staff? Yes, I don't understand, but I'm quite sure that it's not the person's fault. The war is developing differently. I can `t get it. I just want to read about how to understand the tactical and strategic directions of fighting the enemy. Don't be angry friends, I need to study a lot, but I believe in you and you will win. am
  78. 0
    February 22 2023
    In general, this war is becoming more and more incomprehensible to the majority of ordinary citizens of Russia. Whether strikes on the energy system of Ukraine are beneficial or not, this is secondary and should all be considered in a comprehensive manner, where these strikes are linked to the destruction of the entire infrastructure of Ukraine. And such a provocative question brings Are these blows doing any harm, the Krauts also learned to repair the rails after the attacks of the partisans, but what’s the point? So with this, everything is beneficial if it’s for victory. Some authors somehow don’t need to be so clever and run ahead of the locomotive with their strange conclusions and assessments History will show who is right in this matter
  79. +1
    February 22 2023
    The reason for the low effectiveness of our missile attacks is that the attacks are carried out on networks, and not on generating capacities, buildings of thermal power plants, hydroelectric power stations, state district power plants, etc. The second reason is that now the energy system of Ukraine is redundant, the population is about 20 million (out of 42 million before the start of the SVO), many enterprises are closed and there is no work, which reduces the load on the power grid, and cities can be shut down randomly.
  80. +1
    February 23 2023
    What are the goals? Drive Hoclopithecus into the Stone Age!
  81. +1
    February 23 2023
    The author of the article turned everything on its head and showed simply miracles of ignorance of the actual situation in Square. I would like to know the name of the author of this blatant profanation. The only complaint against the Russian Armed Forces is the episodic nature of missile attacks on strategic energy facilities of Ukraine and the complete absence of attacks on the main command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine. Bombing strikes by the Aerospace Forces with gliding bombs of increased destructive power are also no less effective. By destroying key military-industrial facilities and defense facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the SBU, Russia will actually destroy the unified defense system of the Independent and dismember it into a number of local defense facilities of the Banderaites, which can be easily destroyed one by one, one after another.
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  84. 0
    16 September 2023
    Can someone explain to me, an armchair expert, why their factories, which can repair or service military equipment, cannot be destroyed? In general, as I understand it, in principle, an army cannot live without a rear, and if there is no electricity, fuel, or gas in the rear, then the army simply will not be able to fight.

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