China has developed an economical hypersonic ramjet engine

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China has developed an economical hypersonic ramjet engine
The nozzle apparatus of the new scramjet and jet stream in different modes. Photo by ONTU PLA / SCMP


Chinese scientific organizations are actively engaged in the subject of hypersonic technologies for use in aviation and rocket technology. Various studies are being carried out and experimental prototypes of technologies are being developed. Recently it became known about the creation of a new hypersonic ramjet engine. It is built on the basis of well-known ideas and new solutions and is characterized by increased energy performance and efficiency.



Hypersonic experiment


The new development of Chinese scientists was reported on February 13 by the South China Morning Post, citing a publication in the scientific journal Solid Rocket Technology, published in mid-January. The SCMP provides an overview of the new project, the research carried out and the results obtained.

Reportedly, a hypersonic ramjet engine (scramjet) was developed by specialists from the Defense Science and Technology University of the People's Liberation Army of China from Changsha. Work in this direction was headed by Associate Professor Ma Likun.

As part of the new project, specialists have worked out the design of a promising scramjet engine running on solid (powdered) fuel. It is noted that it differs from other ramjet engines in greater simplicity and several important innovations. The latter were supposed to ensure the operation of the engine in a wide range of speeds with stable fuel combustion. The aim of the project was also to increase efficiency.

According to this project, an experimental scramjet was manufactured. It was tested in a wind tunnel with flight simulation in different modes. The speed of such a “flight” reached 6M, the height was approx. 25 km. In general, the engine confirmed the calculated characteristics.


The DF-17 complex with a planning warhead is a serial model of a hypersonic weapons PLA. Photo Telegram / Vatfor

Based on the results of these studies, scientists from the PLA ONTU report that a solid-propellant scramjet engine has a number of advantages over other designs of a similar purpose. With the further development of the project, developments can be applied in practice as part of certain aircraft. It is noteworthy that in the context of the prospects for a new engine, the SCMP edition first of all recalled military programs.

New solutions


According to open data, the experimental engine from ONTU does not fundamentally differ from other modern scramjet engines and is built according to the classical scheme. In fact, this is a pipe of variable diameter, divided into an air inlet, an air duct, a combustion chamber and a nozzle apparatus.

The general principles of work also remain traditional. Atmospheric air under pressure formed by the flow velocity enters the air intake and then enters the combustion chamber. There, fuel is mixed with it. Burning, it forms gases for ejection through the nozzle and the formation of thrust.

There are two main innovations in the project from ONTU PLA. The first relates to the design of the air intake device and associated units. Due to the special configuration of the device and the channels behind it, the hypersonic airflow slows down to subsonic speed. Other types of scramjet engines are characterized by fuel combustion in a supersonic flow. The new Chinese engine further reduces the flow rate to optimize the combustion process.

The second innovation is the fuel and the way it is supplied. The scramjet uses boron in the form of a fine powder as fuel. Through special nozzles, fuel is fed into the combustion chamber, where it ignites and releases thermal energy. The nozzles are controlled and control the powder supply rate into the engine. Due to this, the intensity of combustion, energy production and, accordingly, thrust are regulated.


DF-17 rocket launch. A frame from a Chinese TV report

During tests in different modes and changes in various parameters, it was possible to determine the maximum parameters of the experimental engine. Thus, the temperature in the combustion chamber was brought up to 3000°C. This is about 50% higher than that of the bulk of modern ramjet engines.

At the same time, high efficiency is achieved. Reducing the inlet air velocity to subsonic provides more efficient fuel combustion. Due to it, the fuel efficiency of the scramjet engine was increased by 79%.

Unfortunately, the exact characteristics of the experimental engine have not yet been disclosed. Its dimensions and mass, achieved thrust and specific fuel consumption remain unknown. It is also unclear how far the project has moved: whether the new scramjet is purely experimental or can be brought to practical use within a reasonable time.

Applications


The exact goals and objectives of the new Chinese project have not been named. However, it is not difficult to guess for what purpose the university under the PLA is studying hypersonic ramjet engines. Obviously, experiments and experiments were carried out in the interests of the armed forces of the PRC, and in the future they can be used in real projects of hypersonic weapons.

Modern designs of hypersonic ramjet engines are being developed for use as part of advanced missile weapons. Such an engine makes it possible to create a combat missile with the highest flight performance and special combat capabilities. The scramjet gives a large active flight section and provides maximum speed for a long time. At the same time, the rocket is able to maneuver, and the engine compensates for the loss of energy and speed.


Presumably, the flight of an experimental hypersonic missile over a populated area, autumn 2021. Photo Telegram / ChDambiev

Judging by the disclosed data, the new engine from ONTU PLA is of interest from the point of view of use in real rocket technology projects. The declared capabilities of such a scramjet will improve the characteristics of a hypothetical missile and improve its combat capabilities.

First of all, you should pay attention to the efficiency of the new engine. A lower consumption allows you to reduce the fuel supply on board the missile without loss in speed and range, or save it and increase the combat radius. In addition, it is likely that there is an opportunity to increase traction and speed without harming other parameters.

As stated, the experimental engine not only shows high performance, but also has a simplified design. Accordingly, a rocket with such a scramjet will be simpler and cheaper. In addition, reducing the amount of fuel on board will optimize the layout of the rocket - for example, increase the warhead.

It should be noted that the new project can develop not only in the context of missile weapons. It is quite capable of becoming the basis for new theoretical and experimental developments. The scramjet engine from ONTU showed the fundamental performance and great potential of new solutions. All of them should now be developed. As a result, new configurations of intake devices and combustion chambers will appear, as well as more advanced compositions of powdered fuel.

Great promise


China has long been engaged in hypersonic direction and is already showing real results. So, a few years ago, the DF-17 complex with a planning hypersonic warhead entered service. There are unconfirmed reports of the development of other missile systems with special speed characteristics. They can already be tested, and in the near future they will be adopted.

It is obvious that Chinese scientists and engineers will continue to develop the hypersonic direction. The projects of the distant future will be based on current developments in the field of engines, materials, control systems, etc. Therefore, the recently completed experiments in the ONTU of the PLA in the field of engines are of great importance, and they should be paid attention to.
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  1. +1
    17 February 2023 05: 30
    Here's what's interesting - the ramjet was developed and began to be used in (drumroll) in 1913 - in the heyday of airships and a little earlier than high-altitude balloons. Once again, the idea is confirmed - everything new is a well-forgotten old. And all this "new" can be very successfully used in military affairs. But there is one indispensable condition - the head and hands must grow from the right places.
    1. +6
      17 February 2023 05: 55
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      The ramjet was developed and began to be used in (drum roll) in 1913

      You will not surprise anyone with a ramjet engine now.
      The article focuses on the word economical
      And is it important...
      1. +2
        17 February 2023 08: 04
        The Communists of the People's Republic of China are doing business. A powerful economy is a powerful science.
        1. +4
          17 February 2023 10: 44
          Quote: Luminman
          You will not surprise anyone with a ramjet engine now.

          The engine is designed to operate at hypersonic speeds and has subsonic fuel combustion - in my opinion, this is not a correct translation, or a fake. I am not an expert in this field, but I read that at such speeds, the problem is just to organize a stable supersonic combustion of fuel (consider a controlled explosion). Moreover, at hypersonic speed, within the size of the engine, slow down the air to speeds below sound, burn it, and disperse the combustion products again to hypersound (and higher speed than the rocket itself is moving) - how is it?
          1. +2
            19 February 2023 04: 48
            Quote: Bad_gr
            like this ?

            In general, the mass of gases flowing out of the nozzle is greater than the mass of incoming air. Secondly ... temperature.
            About the fuel.
            Bor. One of the three metals whose thermocouple with oxygen has a higher calorific value than hydrogen with oxygen. Moreover, the caloric value of boron combustion is higher than the caloric value of lithium ... but lower than beryllium. True, beryllium is SUCH expensive ... it is mined from emeralds. lol
            So the choice of fuel is optimal. Obviously, the size of the granules is also optimized. And it is very likely that the French used it in their new Meteor explosive rocket. Because apparently it is so fried - a very high-calorie fuel.
            And as for supersonic combustion ... so far no one seems to have solved this problem ... except perhaps in our "Zircon" ... but so little is known about it ...
            So the air flow is slowed down in front of the combustion chamber by EVERYTHING, both in straight-through engines and in turbojet engines.
            1. 0
              12 May 2023 11: 04
              so because of this, their efficiency drops, the drag is squared from the speed, and air deceleration just increases this resistance, thereby reducing the efficiency of the ramjet
          2. 0
            19 February 2023 10: 59
            Quote: Bad_gr
            at hypersonic speed, within the size of the engine, slow down the air to speeds below sound, burn it, and disperse the combustion products again to hypersound (and higher speed than the rocket itself is moving) - how is it?

            This also puzzled me, so to speak... And then, to increase efficiency (read efficiency!) by as much as 79% - consider it to make a revolution! a revolution in the GZ engine building ...
            The Chinese comrades are "stirring up" something here, nothing else. It is clear that a detonation engine with external combustion ... but in order for the material (ceramics ???) of the combustion chamber to hold 3000 * C for a long time ... - this is FANTASTIC !!!! wassat
          3. 0
            29 March 2023 19: 34
            I undertsnd that Russia has developed an application specific (hypergolic type) fuel
            a while ago that is intended to solve flame front burn stability at hypersonic speeds.
        2. 0
          17 February 2023 19: 10
          This is wrong. Much of the science and engineering out there is profanity. The Chinese are extreme individualists and do not work well in teams. The boss is a priori right, no matter how insane demands he puts forward.
      2. +1
        17 February 2023 10: 08
        yes no and hypersonic is also an important word. It is very difficult to fly at such speeds.
    2. +3
      17 February 2023 06: 00
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      The ramjet was developed and started to be used

      As for being used as an engine, I don’t really believe it.
      And I first read about the use of boron as a fuel with Lem in Invincible. There are also about drones! Great writer!
      1. +1
        17 February 2023 09: 08
        And I first read about the use of boron as a fuel from Lem
        Well, these are well-known ideas of the late 50s, when Lem wrote his work. Then boron-containing compounds were abandoned both here and there, beyond the ocean.
      2. +6
        17 February 2023 11: 41
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        And I first read about the use of boron as a fuel with Lem in "Invincible"

        forgot something.
        Where is boron used?
        "Invincible", a cruiser of the second class, the largest ship that the Base had at its disposal in the constellation Lyra, walked on a photon traction through the extreme quadrant of the constellation.

        you beguiled
        - Reactors idle! Cold traction.

        The blue atomic fire is extinguished. Oblique boron rays poured out of the nozzles, and instantly the desert, the rocky walls of the craters and the clouds above them flooded with hellish green light. The basalt platform, on which the wide stern of the Invincible was supposed to descend, no longer threatened to melt.

        Borohydrates
        B2H6
        BH3
        of which real fuel
        B5H11
        The biggest Iud and decent thrust is
        B5H11+OF2 (terrible aggressive muck)
        an "Invincible" class cruiser is about 5000 pieces of "UR-700" (brought to LEO - from 150 tons to 225 tons of PN), if not more. We need to look for a lot of it.
        But judging by the fact that the "Invincible" people had more than 100 + suspended animation chambers + fifty energy robots
        - thirty-ton vehicles covered with silicone refractory armor

        + "Cyclops" (it seems to be several hundred tons).
        we can safely say that Stanislav Lem ... hmm, to put it mildly, embellished and turned out to be incompetent here.
        anyway the book is entertaining.
        1. 0
          17 February 2023 16: 04
          Quote from Digger
          Where is boron used?

          Well, how about here
          Quote from Digger
          Borohydrates
          B2H6
          BH3
          Is boron present in the pair? Present.


          Quote from Digger
          an "Invincible" class cruiser is about 5000 pieces of "UR-700" (brought to LEO - from 150 tons to 225 tons of PN), if not more. We need to look for a lot of it.
          "18 tons of rest mass", the launch weight of the LK-000 is 700 tons. So there are only four pieces, not 4. Well, as I understand it, the main thrust was given by the atom, borohydride was only for "soft" lifting and landing

          Quote from Digger
          Stanislav Lem ... mmm, to put it mildly, embellished and turned out to be incompetent here.
          It is strange that you did not put "ferromagnetic tapes for the calculator" on the starship in his claim. )))
          1. +2
            17 February 2023 17: 26
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Is boron present in the pair? Present.

            both C and H are present in kerosene.
            Chemical formula CnH2n-2. For C12 to C15
            Those. C12H22, for example.
            Can I call kerosene a hydrogen fuel? or carbon (coal)
            "about the use of coal as fuel for the first time I read from the Queen about the R-7 rocket" belay
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            18 tons rest mass

            exactly, +
            Only now the UR-700K, albeit 4500 tons, lifted 250 tons (even if not 150 tons, which is closer to reality) to LEO.
            If 4500 tons hung in orbit and tried to land on the ground, then 250 tons would also land on the ground
            those. 250:4500=0,056
            Invincible 18000 tons (k = 0,056), it turns out that 1000 tons would land on Regis III
            He couldn’t just hang over Regis III on a rocket engine
            18000 tons * 1,36 (Let's take the thrust-to-weight ratio of the UR-500) \u24d 500 XNUMX tons landing "cold thrust"
            mmm it would take 33 pieces of RD-170 (7257 kN)
            second consumption mk = 2,5 tons per second.
            To hang for a second, the "invincible" would spend under 80 tons, and seconds are not enough
            The ship, like an overturned volcano, spewing flames, hung half a mile high over a pockmarked plain with rocky ridges sinking in the sands.
            The flames rebelliously bubbled under the stern, millimeter by millimeter squeezed by the sinking body of the rocket, the green hell shot long sprays into the depths of the wavering sand clouds.

            In order not to kill people and break the supports of 800 m, he landed exactly slower than a paratrooper (whoever jumped knows), no faster than 5 m / s (Falcon Mask, empty and not 18000 tons = less than 1 m / s)
            800:5=160sec
            160 sec * 80 tons = 12 tons of fuel.
            Let this wonderful boron fuel have Iud 1,5 times higher (which is fantastic) kerosene + oxygen, those 6500 tons of fuel
            Mmm. it’s somehow stupid to drag 18000 tons of rest mass from another star, gurgling 6500 tons into tanks, then you still have to take off ...
            Stanislav Lemmedic is not even an engineer, much less a physicist or rocket engineer.
            Then the time was different. Pink dreams from the rocket age.
            And so, LRE (on pentaborate or on fluorine) is outright stupidity.
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            It is strange that you are in his claim "ferromagnetic tapes for the calculator"

            I didn't make any claims to him. I read almost everything with pleasure.
            - feromagnetic tapes are just a reality. It was, and may still be. And there were like punch cards, no?
            PySy. arithmetic, nothing personal.
            1. 0
              18 February 2023 11: 00
              Quote from Digger
              Can I call kerosene a hydrogen fuel? or carbon (coal)
              "about the use of coal as a fuel, I first read from the Queen about the R-7 rocket

              You can even use nitrogen! laughing Just don’t touch the coal ... Otherwise, this is how things will come to diamonds with graphite.
              Quote from Digger
              Invincible 18000 tons (k = 0,056), it turns out that 1000 tons would land on Regis III
              "H" descended from orbit and hovered on nuclear power.

              Quote from Digger
              To hang for a second, the "invincible" would spend under 80 tons
              Purely stretch the mind, when using the atom, which means the highest electrical energy and persistent (and the durability of materials gives a lot to improve the parameters of engines), this borohydride can be somehow accelerated and overheated to it, which will give an additional expiration speed, and hence UD.

              Quote from Digger
              PySy. arithmetic, nothing personal.
              hi
              1. +1
                18 February 2023 22: 14
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                to it, this borohydrogen can be somehow overclocked and overheated, which will give an additional exhaust velocity, and hence UD.

                in principle, in a gravitational well, I ud is not so critical.
                There, thrust is important (mass flow rate of the working fluid), therefore, at around 0


                thrust of solid propellant rocket engines is limited only by the geometry of the transport infrastructure.
                and practically no one uses LH + LOX on the launch pad, despite Iud 4300-4600 versus 3200 for solid propellant rocket motors

                in nozzles you can’t overclock anything, except for the profile.
                --------------------------------
                well, at least both Lem (and maybe someone else) re-read.
        2. +2
          19 February 2023 11: 06
          Quote from Digger
          Where is boron used?

          Gorgeous comment!!! good good good
          You probably finished Mozhayka? hi
          1. 0
            19 February 2023 18: 23
            No, but I've been.
            And why "Mozhayka"? (I broke my whole brain trying to find a connection)
            PS and I read the cruiser "Invincible" in the 5th grade and re-read it in retirement.
    3. +4
      17 February 2023 10: 14
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      Here's what's interesting - the ramjet was developed and began to be used in (drumroll) in 1913

      in 1860, the Romanian Churka (this is a surname) and the Frenchman Buisson, rolled along the Seine River in a boat with a ramjet. Bang. The Frenchman went to the rendezvous to Napoleon, and the Romanians almost went to the bunk.
      -------
      new-old. It's true.
      Electric cars and cars with internal combustion engines
      In 1889, engineer Ippolit Romanov created the first Russian electric car for two people. It had front-wheel drive, with passengers also located in front of the crew, while the driver sat in the back and towered over them in a high seat. The battery compartment was located behind the cabin

      For comparison - the popular in those years, "Zhanto" (France) weighed 2 times more.


      in 1898, electric taxis were already running through the streets of Berlin, London, Paris and New York, and Le Jamais Contende set a speed record of 105 km / h.
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      Once again, the idea is confirmed - everything new is a well-forgotten old

      how is the wheel?
  2. -1
    17 February 2023 06: 27
    . Decreased air speed at the inlet to subsonic provides more efficient fuel combustion. Due to it, the fuel efficiency of the scramjet engine was increased by 79%.

    Decreasing air speed in turn increases drag and fuel consumption increases accordingly too. And liquid fuels are more energy efficient, although less convenient to store.
  3. +4
    17 February 2023 06: 51
    Due to it, the fuel efficiency of the scramjet engine was increased by 79%.

    Percentages do not happen "on their own". They are only from something to something. And when they are "on their own", then this is an absolutely precisely defined criterion called "linden".
  4. -2
    17 February 2023 07: 36
    But if ch.z. nozzles to supply conventional solid rocket fuel brought to the same powdery consistency, then the air flows will not need to be slowed down, in view of their uselessness)))
    1. +5
      17 February 2023 07: 49
      Let's decide - through nozzles or laminar injectors? If you use nozzles, then any solid rocket fuel - a substance that is unstable by definition - will explode right in the nozzles. If you use a laminar injector, then it will cost more than the entire rocket, and the slightest change in geometry will lead to turbulence in the flow with unpredictable consequences.
      1. 0
        17 February 2023 07: 59
        Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
        If you use a laminar injector, then it will cost more than the entire rocket

        Use poppet valve
        I'm not trying to get into someone else's garden ... well, just joking, and you immediately expose me ...
    2. +3
      17 February 2023 13: 58
      Quote: mark1
      conventional solid propellant

      not fuel, but fuel. Oxidizer O2 from outside air
      Rocket fuel does not need an oxidizer and burns in a vacuum.
      You may or may not "apply".
      The gas generator has long been invented
      22D ZRS S-75
      at the ends of the wings of four second-stage RPDTTs. Each of them had an axisymmetric diffuser, a solid propellant gas generator and an afterburner.

      P-270 "Mosquito"
      1. -3
        17 February 2023 16: 03
        not fuel, but fuel.
        Fuel and fuel are synonyms. Both require an oxidizer to burn.
        1. 0
          18 February 2023 22: 18
          Quote: Aviator_
          Fuel and fuel are synonyms

          Yes Yes
          The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will not let you lie
          https://encyclopedia.mil.ru/encyclopedia/dictionary/details.htm?id=14449@morfDictionary
          Two-component LRT consist of an oxidizer and a fuel. Substances containing predominantly atoms of oxidizing elements are used as oxidizing agents.

          And then an oxidizing agent is also required? belay
          For example, for fuel based on liquid O2 and H2 at pk/pa=7/0,1 MPa, the specific impulse is up to 3835 m/s, while for the most high-energy solid fuels its value does not exceed 3000 m/s under comparable conditions.

          Mixed TRTs are heterogeneous mixtures of an oxidizing agent (mainly ammonium perchlorate NH4ClO4, potassium perchlorate KClO4 or ammonium nitrate NH4NO3) and fuel binder, which is a plasticized polymer (for example, butyl rubber, polybutadiene, polyurethane) with curing system ingredients, processing and special additives. Powerful blasting explosives (RDX or HMX) in an amount of up to 50% and up to 20% of metallic combustibles (Al, Mg or their hydrides) can be introduced into the composition of mixed HRT to improve their energy characteristics.

          This is how oil and gas speaks
          In simple terms, the difference between rocket fuel and automobile fuel is that cars use ordinary air mixed with oxygen to burn fuel, and rockets use oxygen as an oxidizer ....
  5. +3
    17 February 2023 07: 53
    Thus, the temperature in the combustion chamber was brought up to 3000°C. This is about 50% higher than that of the bulk of modern ramjet engines.

    Due to the special configuration of the device and the channels behind it, the hypersonic airflow slows down to subsonic speed.
    In this case, a shock occurs inside the scramjet, in which the temperature still increases.
    So it’s close to the onboard MGDG ..
    1. +2
      17 February 2023 08: 08
      Quote: Svetlana
      So it’s close to the onboard MGDG ..

      Yes, why not, in vain they pushed Ajax to China.
    2. +1
      17 February 2023 08: 23
      In this case, a shock occurs inside the scramjet, in which the temperature still increases.
      So it’s close to the onboard MGDG ..

      But in a classic, so to speak, hyperengine, the temperature and pressure are such that the combustion chamber begins to collapse in a forced manner) There are simply no materials on Earth that would withstand such parameters. Any hyperdrive is essentially disposable - most of its high-pressure paths are destroyed during operation. And if you increase the parameters of the mixture abruptly ... all this is simply nonsense.
      1. 0
        April 17 2023 12: 10
        And therefore, the statement about simplification and reduction in cost seems very doubtful to me.
        Such a large increase in temperature will require fundamentally different materials for the combustion chamber, but are there any at all?
        And how much will the new design cost and weigh?
        If the problem is solved by the Chinese in a complex, then yes, of course, a breakthrough.
    3. +2
      17 February 2023 09: 05
      In this case, a shock occurs inside the scramjet,
      Svetlana, in the university course "Power Plants of Aircraft" the principles of creating air intakes, which also apply to power plants, are analyzed in detail. So you are wrong about the jump. Your option is not allowed at all.
      1. 0
        17 February 2023 23: 33
        Quote: Aviator_
        You are wrong about the jump

        Of course, in the hypersonic flight of an aerodynamically streamlined body, the transition to subsonic occurs at an oblique shock wave that occurs at a location at some distance in front of the streamlined body. It will not work to burn fuel in this place - in front of the streamlined body - because there is no way to deliver fuel to the area in front of the streamlined body. This means that when choosing the cross-sectional shape of the scramjet pipe, it is necessary to organize combustion inside the streamlined body.
        It is known that the power of the MGDG is proportional to the square of the plasma flow velocity. W=0.25*sigma*v^2*B^2. sigma - plasma electrical conductivity, v - velocity, B - magnetic field. Therefore, it is more advantageous to have a plasma flow in an MGDG supersonic and even hypersonic.
        If there is an MGDG inside the scramjet, then there should be a hypersonic flow inside the scramjet (excluding external combustion scramjet options).
        The new Chinese engine further reduces the flow rate to optimize the combustion process.

        But in order to remove more electricity from the plasma flow into the electrical load, at the exit from the combustion chamber, in the MGDG channel, the plasma flow must again be supersonic, and this flow is decelerated by the Lorentz force in the MGDG channel, giving electricity to the load. The kinetic energy of the flow is converted into electricity released in the electrical load of the MGDG.
        The more the flow in the MGDG channel slows down, the more electric power the MGDG will give to the load. The flow in the MGDG channel is decelerated better up to subsonic speed. And it is better to perform deceleration at the exit from the MHD channel in the region of the output end electrode of the MGDG, organizing a shock there, which increases the degree of plasma ionization in the region of the output end electrode of the MGDG. And further downstream - again the acceleration of the flow to supersonic (or hypersonic) speed in order to increase the specific impulse of the scramjet and create jet thrust.
        1. 0
          19 February 2023 18: 38
          Svetlana, how to remove? What should the electrodes be made of? You write about supersonic flow speed. But it can't be supersonic, have you noticed? Do not get hypersonic speeds on a supersonic flow) It is very slow. You can again disperse it with fuel, the only question is, what size should the working chamber be for these toys? How many meters of pipes to give under them? There are no extra meters.
          And for hyperflows of media in the working chamber, the main obstacle was the pollution of the torch with materials from the burning walls of the chamber. That is, mainly the materials of the guide vane blades, which are necessary in order to have time to mix the components before they are kicked out of the working area. I solved this problem for them, right here on the site) After that, the first working samples of hyperdrives appeared all over the planet.
          What do you want to make the electrodes of your MGDM from, if the strongest materials in the world cannot cope with the task of simply being the walls of a barrel?) And yes, organizing the supply of fuel in front of a streamlined body is a completely childish task, that's where there are no problems)
          1. 0
            19 February 2023 21: 35
            Quote: Mikhail3
            Don't get hypersonic speeds on supersonic flow

            MGDGs can operate in booster mode, accelerating the exhaust jet to hypersonic speeds to increase the specific impulse.

            Quote: Mikhail3
            What do you want to make electrodes from?

            At hypersound, the magnetic Reynolds number is about 1, and the degree of plasma ionization is already sufficient for the use of electrodeless MGDGs with inductive energy extraction.
            For electrode MGDGs, the electrodes are usually made from high-temperature ceramics that are electrically conductive at high temperatures, for example, from zirconium dioxide doped with LaCrO3 additives.
            1. 0
              20 February 2023 08: 40
              The inductor will disappear in about half a second of a hypersonic jet flowing through it. Ceramics, it’s not even funny, its strength in such modes is not just negligible, it doesn’t exist at all) You didn’t understand - people used tungsten, it will win, the most durable alloys on the planet, and they were devoured to smooth in a matter of seconds, then eaten away the walls of the chamber. .. And it's just a hot and fast jet. But let's ionize the plasma! It’s not enough for us that our walls become thinner under the influence of the flow, let’s increase its corrosive properties!
              Your MGDM at startup will do zilch!! and only a nameplate with a number will remain from it) It’s impossible to ignore the difficulties of technical implementation here)
              1. 0
                21 February 2023 07: 42
                Quote: Mikhail3
                The inductor will disappear in about half a second of a hypersonic jet flowing through it.

                In tokamaks, for example, magnetic thermal insulation of the plasma from the walls of the plasma chamber and external inductors is used. Additionally, the walls of the MGDG channel, as well as sectioned electrodes and coils, are forcibly cooled by pumping a cold coolant flow. In this case, the MGDG plasma channel inside (or outside) the scramjet engine, it is possible to heat-insulate the walls of the plasma MGD channel by applying a layer of a boron-containing ablation coating on them, which simultaneously plays the role of a scramjet fuel.
                1. 0
                  21 February 2023 08: 25
                  Have you noticed how big the Tokamaki is? And what size power plants work on them? How much do refrigerators eat and what size are they? Compacting all this is unrealistic. So the rocket will have to be completely forgotten. The oncoming air flow will have to be replaced by a compressor ... which once again kicks us out of the efficiency corridor. Well, to put it simply, our installation again eats more than it gives out. Another bespontovy Tokamak.
                  Although ... no, I made a promise to myself not to move more technical progress. He always moves somewhere in the wrong direction, and he doesn’t bring me any profit)
  6. +3
    17 February 2023 08: 20
    Description - complete garbage) Slowing down the air flow for subsonic speed?)) Supplying powder to the combustion zone of the hyperdrive chamber with nozzles?!)) The entire article is a single disinformation operation. Both for opponents and for allies, if China considers at least someone as an ally.
    In general, there is only one piece of information - apparently the Chinese still developed some kind of hyperdrive. Maybe it's not accurate. Everything else is complete nonsense.
    1. +1
      17 February 2023 08: 45
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Description - complete garbage) Slowing down the air flow for subsonic speed?)) Supplying powder to the combustion zone of the hyperdrive chamber with nozzles ?!))
      In general, there is only one piece of information - apparently the Chinese still developed some kind of hyperdrive. Everything else is complete nonsense.

      good drinks
  7. -1
    17 February 2023 08: 56
    Well done Chinese! Taking off my hat.
    I am sure that our designers also have developments.
    Only the Americans probably didn’t allow the corrupt “authorities” .....
  8. +1
    17 February 2023 08: 57
    Everyone laughed that China was copying the technology of other countries!
    Soon Chinese technology will be copied!
    now look at the figure "R&D Financing in China"

    here are the stats from 09 to 19

    Funding has increased 4 TIMES!
    and I'm sure - they don't steal budget money there, and mind you - there are no memes about "British scientists"!
    What is China's space program worth! Which has overtaken the Russian one and is catching up if it has not already caught up with NASA
    1. +1
      17 February 2023 11: 44
      Quote: Boniface
      Soon Chinese technology will be copied!

      They won't, because Great geopoliticians know that communists can only make galoshes.
    2. 0
      17 February 2023 20: 50
      They also cheat there, they only punish them seriously and I think the percentage of cheated is noticeably lower (my opinion)
  9. +1
    17 February 2023 09: 00
    Other types of scramjet engines are characterized by fuel combustion in a supersonic flow. The new Chinese engine further reduces the flow rate to optimize the combustion process.
    Supersonic heating in the scramjet CS is not a whim, but a way of organizing fuel combustion. In a subsonic flow in the scramjet CS, the fuel will only dissociate due to the very high temperature, and combustion will begin right behind the nozzle. And do we need it? Here, apparently, the point is that the Chinese managed to find a solid powdered fuel that does not dissociate in the CS at high temperatures.
    1. 0
      17 February 2023 11: 26
      Quote: Aviator_
      combustion at the same time will begin right behind the nozzle

      Did I understand you correctly that in this case the fuel propagation velocity will be greater than the flame propagation velocity? It follows from this that the fuel has a lower combustion rate and engineers need to think carefully about the properties of the fuel?
      1. 0
        17 February 2023 16: 10
        Will the propellant spread faster than the flame spread?
        Misunderstood. Where did you get it from? A flame is the site of an oxidation (combustion) reaction. Reaction products are formed in the CC, which flow through the nozzle and create thrust. The problem is that during hypersound, a high temperature rises in the subsonic CS, which prevents combustion. There is nothing to burn - the fuel has dissociated. And it recombines far behind the nozzle when the temperature drops. As a result, there is no traction. Therefore, in the COP there is a temperature limit so that the fuel remains able to burn. Therefore, supersonic CSs have been worked out for 40 years in a row, where the temperature is below the dissociation temperature.
  10. 0
    17 February 2023 09: 29
    Well, what an article. The Chinese have done something, we don't know what, but it will have great prospects.
  11. 0
    17 February 2023 10: 10
    Go China - Go Russia. These war mongering bastards can & will be defeated !
  12. +2
    17 February 2023 11: 00
    Quote: author
    Due to the special configuration of the device and the channels behind it, the hypersonic airflow slows down to subsonic speed.

    To estimate the aerodynamic heating in the upper layers of the atmosphere, during braking, the formula will fit:
    Q=0.5*rho* V^3*cos (beta) .
    - let the angle be 75 degrees
    - at 20 km rho=0.09 kg/cu.m.
    -V=6M=1 920 m/s
    Q=0,13*0.09*(1920)^3=82 811 289,6 Вт=83 MW per 1 square meter of the path where the flow is inhibited
    Let it slow down not to zero, but to 300 m/s, i.e. conditionally 70% = 58 MW (on the knee, but this is not accurate)
    The specific heat of combustion of boron in air is 58 MJ/kg
    WHAT is the logic of the author?
    I will get the same effect without kg of boron.
    so that the pianist is not kicked: A power of 1 W means that the work of 1 J is done in 1 second.
    Quote: author
    Due to it, the fuel efficiency of the scramjet engine was increased by 79%.

    But what is the "efficiency" of a jet engine?
    does not know. This is the specific impulse.
    The specific impulse indicates how many seconds the engine can develop 1 Newton of thrust on one kilogram of fuel.
    (for the WFD, the fuel will be combustible, since the oxidizer they have is the same everywhere and is overboard)
    LH2 + O2 (air) will give the highest I bpm
    well, not like a Chinese ramjet on boron (specific calorific value 1 kg=58 MJ/kg) will not give I beats 79% more than a ramjet on H2 (120 MJ/kg)
    how can a powder Chinese ramjet be more efficient than the Soviet E-57 scramjet on H2? mystery..
    Quote: author
    Complex DF-17 with a planning warhead - a serial model of hypersonic weapons

    Mmm. has nothing to do with ramjet or boron powder
  13. 0
    17 February 2023 12: 30
    The Chinese can say whatever they want. They just reduced the size of the engine and perhaps somehow optimized the combustion chamber and outlet nozzle. In addition, the economy is relative to what? And with what to compare? Here there will be a real rocket, then according to the thrust and weight characteristics on the product, it will be possible to judge something. In the meantime, the article is about nothing.
    Perhaps they pulled off and implemented someone's development. They are masters at this.
  14. 0
    17 February 2023 12: 55
    Screw nozzles? Or how does it work? Strongly similar to a spreading cross between cranberries and noodles.
    And an aerosol of boric anhydride is generally a song! When burned, the products should expand, and it has a boiling point of 1860`C. Where is the pressure from? Some hat.
  15. 0
    17 February 2023 13: 07
    Well, yes, the Chinese are the smartest. In fact, it is not by chance that ours and the Americans are striving to switch to supersonic fuel combustion. The fact is that the temperature in the combustion chamber has a limit in the region of 3000 C due to the fact that the fuel ceases to oxidize (i.e. burn) at such temperatures. An equilibrium process of oxidation-decomposition of the resulting compound occurs, i.e. the energy of a chemical reaction is not released, it is useless to use fuel.
    The air heats up during braking. If the braking heat reaches 3000 C, it is useless to use fuel. That is, the less flow deceleration, the greater the benefit from the use of fuel.
    But the Chinese are the smartest, yes.
    1. +1
      17 February 2023 14: 14
      Quote: Conjurer
      The fact is that the temperature in the combustion chamber has a limit in the region of 3000 C

      On modern space rocket engines, the temperature in the chamber exceeds 4000 ° C
      Quote: Conjurer
      due to the fact that the fuel ceases to oxidize at such

      , well, nonsense
      The flame temperature of kerosene is 800 ° C, and in the turbojet engine on the blades the flame is 2000 K
      And in the railway in the COP in general from 2500K.

      Quote: Conjurer
      If the braking heat reaches 3000 C, it is useless to use fuel.

      if it reaches such a value, it is easier to inject at all ("screw" the working fluid, it will undergo a phase transition into gas and expansion, and the outflow velocity will be obtained.
      nothing burns in the YARD, but only heats up from the temperature of the reactor
      ramjet thrust Р=(dMv/dT) * (Ve-V)+ (dMt/dt)* Ve
      dMv/dT - mass air flow
      dMt/dt - mass fuel consumption
      Ve - jet velocity relative to the engine
      V- flight speed
      Seen from(V-V) , that if it’s vlob, then when the flight speed is reached = the speed of the expiration (the maximum seems to be 4400 m / s) ... it will already slow down
      And up to 10M something is fashionable and get.
      Lish would burn out (or expand with a phase transition into gas)
  16. 0
    17 February 2023 14: 50
    Description - complete garbage) Slowing down the air flow for subsonic speed?)) Supplying powder to the combustion zone of the hyperdrive chamber with nozzles?!)) The entire article is a single disinformation operation.

    This is already a tradition - as soon as some question is a little more complicated than a stool, so local authors produce "disinformation", demonstrating complete technical ignorance.
    There are two main innovations in the project from ONTU PLA. The first relates to the design of the air intake device and associated units. Due to the special configuration of the device and the channels behind it, the hypersonic airflow slows down to subsonic speed.

    There is no "innovation" here. This is called a dual-mode scramjet engine, with the possibility of subsonic and supersonic combustion, and the Chinese have not discovered anything new here.
    At present, either geometry control or redistribution with an increase in Mn of the fuel supply along the length of the combustion chamber, or both together, or a dual-mode combustion chamber is used.
    The second innovation is the fuel and the way it is supplied. The scramjet uses boron in the form of a fine powder as fuel.

    And there is nothing new in this. Crystalline and amorphous boron has long been used as a fuel for scramjet engines, like other metal powders. There are such developments in Russia (MVTU Bauman). And the methods of supplying such fuels are not a secret, for example, the fluidization of a metal powder with any gas (nitrogen, air, hydrogen, propane, etc.).
    1. 0
      17 February 2023 15: 22
      Quote: Ruyter-57
      Crystalline and amorphous boron has long been used as a fuel for scramjet engines, like other metal powders.

      The heat of combustion of pure boron is only
      15.6 MJ/kg, and the combustion efficiency is 26.5%.
      (When aluminum powder is added to the mixture, the combustion efficiency of boron increases)
      maximum sample 3 - Fe, Si, Cu, Mn impurities.

      boron is the highest energy known today solid components.
      simple cheap, non-hazardous kerosene has a heat of 40,8 MJ / kg ....
      I would take kerosene, times with H2 hemorrhoids (140 MJ / kg)
      Everyone confuses boron with pentaborane (and oxygen difluoride is already needed as an oxidizing agent)
      Boron, as a powder in solid propellant rocket engines, in explosives (the excess pressure of metallized explosives is higher than the pressure from an explosion of a TNT charge of the same mass and at the same distance.)

      Quote: Ruyter-57
      there are such developments in Russia (MVTU Bauman).

      MVTU is long gone. MSTU
      On E1.2 (it seems, but this is not accurate, maybe E1.3.) They designed solid propellant rocket engines, but they did not use chymosis.
      Tomsk State University - Department of Mathematical Physics there, look for traces of boron in the Republic of Tatarstan.
      1. 0
        17 February 2023 19: 18
        Why not, the hypersonic oncoming air flow enters the engine where its speed drops several times, as a result of which the translational kinetic energy of the flow is converted into heat, the hot retarded flow contains oxygen, which reacts with the fuel and the temperature of the combustion products rises even higher, and further expansion occurs in the nozzle. Why was boron chosen as the fuel? so it is very hard and the melting point is 2075 * C, maybe the combustion chamber is made of boron and it burns, by the way, boron will also react with air nitrogen to boron nitride with a positive enthalpy of formation
        1. 0
          19 February 2023 15: 06
          Quote: agond
          as a result of which the translational kinetic energy of the flow is converted into heat, hot retarded

          why it happens?
          he BRAKES (and slows down the aircraft)
          An interesting and unreasonable way to get heat
          ramjet thrust Р=(dMv/dT) * (Ve-V)+ (dMt/dt)* Ve
          dMv/dT - mass air flow
          dMt/dt - mass fuel consumption
          Ve - jet velocity relative to the engine
          V- flight speed
          Seen from(V-V) ,


          Quote: agond
          .Why choose boron fuel? so it is very hard and the melting point is 2075 * C, maybe the combustion chamber is made of boron and it burns, by the way, boron will react

          hardly chose boron, the more solid.
          Why "make" a combustion chamber out of boron when a gas generator has been used for a long time.
          Yes, and with solid fuel one fuss
  17. 0
    17 February 2023 22: 13
    Due to the special configuration of the device and the channels behind it, the hypersonic airflow slows down to subsonic speed.
    Then this is bullshit, not scramjet. The whole point of the scramjet is to ensure hypersonic combustion. Yes, it is extremely difficult (like making a hurricane fan the flame of a match, and not extinguish it), but this is the only way to implement hypersound for a commercial aircraft.
    The scramjet uses boron in the form of a fine powder as fuel.
    This can be a very bad idea: when the states made Valkyrie, they produced boron fuel (pentaborane, I don’t remember, I don’t remember), which was terribly poisonous, and they could only dispose of it in the 90s. Who knows what will be formed during the combustion of boron in this engine: ordinary oxide or all sorts of bad compounds.
  18. 0
    18 February 2023 12: 09
    Rather not designed, but copied.
    https://topwar.ru/10517-borba-za-giperzvuk.html
    1. 0
      19 February 2023 16: 39
      Quote from Digger
      why it happens?
      he BRAKES (and slows down the aircraft)
      An interesting and unreasonable way to get heat

      You can’t get away from this, in any turbojet engine, the air first decelerates, in the air intake duct, in the compressor, in the combustion chamber in the turbine, and only after the turbine does it accelerate and in the ramjet engine, braking at the air intake inlet takes place (braking relative to the aircraft) And then if they have boron fuel there, then it burns unequivocally slower than hydrogen and it is required to create conditions, that is, to slow down the air flow so that boron burns out inside the engine, and not somewhere outside from the back of the engine
  19. Eug
    0
    20 March 2023 06: 53
    It is advisable to combine flow deceleration with spraying (and concomitant heating) of powdered fuel. And if, after reaching certain parameters of this atomization (increase in temperature and decrease in density), self-ignition of the fuel and its combustion occur, then there will be just a detonation ramjet, promising a lot of advantages. It is possible to achieve outstanding performance of any technical system at the expense of other indicators (as for me, this is exactly what happened) - but it is very difficult to link everything in a complex.