The fate of the Burevestnik

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The fate of the Burevestnik


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"Flying Chernobyl"


We are talking about the product 9M730 "Petrel" according to the NATO classification SSC-X-9 Skyfall, which is being developed by the Novator Design Bureau (Yekaterinburg). When in 2018 the Russian president first announced the development in Russia of such weapons, Western experts unanimously argued that it was fiction, "Putin's cartoons."

But in two and a half years, the means of objective control of Western, mainly, of course, American intelligence services that monitor the testing of the latest Russian weapons, have made a revolution in consciousness in the West, a radical change in emotions from irony to anxiety, if not more - banal fear. Now they have to accept the Burevestnik as a reality. Skyfall has not yet entered service, but, apparently, this is a matter of the near future.

President Vladimir Putin and the Russian Defense Ministry say Russia already has Rocket 9M730 Burevestnik, equipped, presumably, with a pulse nuclear air-breathing engine (PuYaVRD), similar to a classic PUVRD. But instead of a combustion chamber, a small-sized active zone is placed. Graphite is probably used as a moderator, possibly more modern materials, and compressed atmospheric air is used as a coolant.

In fairness, the Americans were the first to try to create a strategic cruise missile with a nuclear power plant. Vought SLAM (Supersonic Low-Altitude Missile - low-altitude supersonic guided missile) - a project of an American strategic cruise missile with a nuclear ramjet engine, unlimited range. The Vought SLAM was a canard aerodynamically designed cruise missile.

Its design has been specially adapted for extreme flight conditions at design speeds up to M=3 at an altitude of no more than 300 meters. The rocket body, which had to withstand high thermal and aerodynamic loads, was supposed to be made of high-strength steel. The structure of the rocket was designed so strong that the designers jokingly referred to it as a "flying crowbar".

Although the prototype SLAM rocket was never built, the estimated flight speed at an altitude of 30 feet (000 m) was supposed to reach Mach 9, and the flight range at this altitude was supposed to be 100 km. At low altitudes (4,2 meters) and a speed of Mach 182 - a range of 000 km.

The main difference between the Russian Burevestnik and the American SLAM is the equipment of its PuYAVRD, and not a direct-flow nuclear VRD, the presence of an air valve in the PuVRD, the purpose of which is to prevent the reverse movement of the working fluid forward in the direction of the vehicle, which would negate jet thrust. In a ramjet, this valve is not needed, since the reverse movement of the working fluid in the engine tract is prevented by a “barrier” of pressure at the inlet to the combustion chamber, created during the compression of the working fluid at supersonic (more than Mach 3) speeds.

In a PWRJ, due to low subsonic speeds (Mach 0,9–1,0), the initial compression is too low, and the pressure increase in the combustion chamber, in a classic PWR, or in the core in a PWR, is achieved due to heating of the working fluid in a constant volume, limited by the walls of the chamber, the valve, and the inertia of the gas column in the long nozzle of the engine.

In an interview, French military expert Corentin Brustlin noted:

“A nuclear power plant removes restrictions on the amount of fuel, which allows the missile to use trajectories that are not tracked by the enemy and strike at weakly protected objects. Naturally, the presence of such a missile will make it possible to break through the enemy's anti-missile defense system.
In the increasingly complicated world military-political situation, this will become a very serious trump card.”

At first, the West was dominated by a rather skeptical attitude towards the prospects of the Russian missile. By the summer of 2020, it was replaced by wariness. For example, the US President's Special Representative for Arms Control Marshall Billingsley said that such a weapon should not exist at all, since it is a "flying Chernobyl".

Then, in September 2020, a statement was made by the head of British military intelligence, Lieutenant General Jim Hockenhull. He stressed that the Burevestnik missile is capable of staying in the air for an almost unlimited time. This allows you to inflict unexpected strikes on targets.

The 9M730 Burevestnik missile will be equipped only with the SBC, no “conventional” option is provided, for obvious reasons. Based on the results of work carried out in the USSR (Russia) in the 70–90s, jointly by teams of nuclear scientists RFNC-VNIIEF, KB-11 (Arzamas-16) in Sarov and RFNC-VNIITF, KB-1011 (Chelyabinsk-70) in Snezhinsk As regards the missile weapons systems of the Navy and the Strategic Missile Forces, including ammunition of small, medium and high power class, an essentially unprecedented qualitative growth was achieved in their main characteristics that determine combat effectiveness. Significantly, at times, the specific energy of nuclear warheads has increased. For small and medium-sized ammunition, it increased from 1 kt/kg to 5,25 kt/kg.

Modern Russian thermonuclear munitions, created already in the 2000–2010s. – 100 kg small class (150–250 kt) and 200 kg medium class (500 kt), 400 kg high class (2 Mt) power, designed to meet modern requirements for increased safety at all stages of the life cycle, reliability, security in abnormal conditions during operation and unauthorized actions. This is ensured by the first applied inertial adaptive detonation system in combination with the sensors and devices used in the automation.

At the same time, the level of anti-missile defense was increased. According to the calculations of the leading American specialist Hans M. Christensen, it will take the Americans at least 20 years, with appropriate funding, to reach the same level of power density of nuclear charges as the Russians. In principle, any of these new charges can be installed on a rocket.

A campaign has been organized in the Western press to discredit the latest Russian weapons; in the information war, all means are good, and not only in the Western, but also in ours. Moreover, not only “couch experts” and bloggers are involved, but also authoritative heavyweights.

Here is what Vladimir Zinovievich Dvorkin writes in his article “Russia's New Weapon: Benefit or Harm” (NVO No. 29, 2021):

“... in no real scenario, the Burevestnik cruise missile will not be able to make any contribution to the potential of Russia's nuclear deterrence, provided by the existing triad of strategic nuclear forces. At the same time, it should be taken into account that the probability of a successful flight of cruise missiles with a much shorter flight duration compared to the Burevestnik is noticeably lower compared to weapons in the strategic nuclear forces.

And he also writes:

"Poseidon" and "Petrel" complexes.
Their trials are at an early stage, and the terms of their possible adoption into service will most likely be outside the period of validity of the extended START-3 Treaty. But their inclusion in a hypothetically possible new treaty could be considered subject to the existence in the United States of similar systems or other new models that are subject to control and do not violate the overall balance of deterrence potentials.
To date, the possibility of achieving a solution to this problem seems extremely difficult, rather even impossible.”

That is, if the Americans do not have similar models of weapons or they are not able to create them in the foreseeable future, then we must abandon them. Otherwise, the Americans will refuse to renew START-3 or sign a new treaty.

Do we need such a treaty that will be beneficial only to the United States and limit our capabilities?

It is Poseidon and Burevestnik that are subjected to the greatest criticism in the Western press. The most effective of the recently created. The Poseidon cannot be intercepted or destroyed by modern means of destruction of the US Navy, the Burevestnik cannot be detected and intercepted after launch by modern radar and optoelectronic means of detection and target designation. Rocket 9M730 "Petrel", like a ghost, appears for a moment and disappears just as instantly. It can only be detected at the moment of launch, while the starting solid-propellant booster is working for this time, no more than 3 seconds from specialized DSP-4 satellites.

But, unlike ICBMs, they will immediately lose it. And they quite successfully detect and track ICBMs due to the long active phase in time from 180 to 300 seconds. Enough to build a mathematical model of the flight path. Not surprisingly, they were originally intended to detect ICBM launches.

In contrast to the “ordinary KR” of the Tomahawk or Caliber type, whose cruising flight takes place at an altitude of 6 meters, both at one and the other, only the final section of the route (about 000 km at the Tomahawk) passes at altitudes from 80 feet (100 meters) to 30 feet (200 meters) depending on the terrain in the target area. Such a flight profile, it is called - High-Low (high-low altitude), is a classic for all KR from anti-ship to strategic. For subsonic and transonic cruise missiles, the optimal cruising flight altitude (flight level) is 60–6 meters. At this altitude, the rocket travels the longest path with the least fuel consumption.

Examples of missiles flying at this echelon are the already mentioned "Tomahawk" and "Caliber" of all modifications, strategic air-based missile launchers X-101/102, X-555, AGM-86B ALCM, as well as transonic anti-ship P-500 (4M77) " Basalt, P-1000 (3M70) Vulkan, P-35 (4M44) Progress, etc. 2,5 meters. It is at this altitude that the anti-ship missiles P-3,0 (12M000) "Granit", P-14 (000M700) "Onyx" and strategic nuclear ASMP, ASMP-A (ASN3G) pass most of the way. For hypersonic missiles (with flight speeds from M-45 and above), the flight level of 800–3 meters is considered optimal.

The range or "radius" of the Tomahawk missiles, officially for the conventional version, is 1 English miles (000 km) (RGM / UGM-1E TLAM-E (Tomahawk Block IV) with a fuel reserve of 600 kg) - this value is "operational" range, which takes into account such factors as maneuvering around protected areas, deviations from the course to fly over a predetermined territory (correction areas) for updating information in inertial guidance systems, vertical maneuvering to avoid obstacles, fuel requirements, flying at higher than optimal speeds through protected areas and low-level flight.

The straight-line “aerodynamic” flight range of the Tomahawk (RGM/UGM-109A, with 650 kg of fuel) is about 4 km, provided that the entire flight takes place at the optimum altitude of 300 feet (20 meters) (fuel consumption for DTRD three times lower than at low and ultra-low altitudes) at cruising speed - 000 miles / hour (6 km / h).

Burevestnik conducts the entire flight route, regardless of its length, whether it be 10 km or 000 km, at altitudes from 20 to 000 meters at a cruising speed of about 25–100 km/h. Probably, the maximum speed, due to the specifics of the operation of the PuYaVRD, can reach up to 800–850 km/h. Engine thrust, most likely: about 1–100 kg. Which is quite enough for a subsonic missile launcher with a launch weight of 1–300 kg. Yes, the rocket does not need to fly at high altitude, it unmasks the CD.

"Burevestnik" is devoid of the main drawback of all existing strategic cruise missiles, both subsonic, supersonic and even hypersonic. They are easily detected during the flight march. Long before approaching the target. "Burevestnik" has a virtually unlimited range reserve, which allows it to bypass zones Defense (A2/AD) without any problems, enter the airspace of a potential enemy from any direction. In the USA, for example, from the Mexican border. It should be noted that there is no continuous radar field over the USA. Not at all. There is no air defense as such.

The fleet of fighter-interceptors is total of 240 F-22A, F-15C, F-16C aircraft. The comical events of the last week with the participation of Chinese balloons only confirm the absence of the country's air defense as such.

In the USSR, for example, at the end of the 1980s, there was a systemic air defense system with a continuous radar field over the entire territory, controlled by 800 radars of various types, 2 interceptor fighters and 500 missile launchers were available. It is worth noting that after the American authorities realized the threat in the late 10s and early 000s from a large number of Soviet ICBMs, it was decided to abandon powerful air defense, including a large number of air defense systems deployed on the territory of the country.

Airspace control is badly organized


According to former US Secretary of Defense Schlesinger, “If they cannot protect their cities from strategic missiles, then it is not worth even trying to create protection against a small number of bombers. aviation THE USSR". There is only a more or less continuous radar field of civil air traffic. Very specific, I must say. Airspace control is organized very badly, especially for unknown targets not identified by transponders. Small targets flying at ultra-low altitudes (less than 60 meters) are not seen by civilian airfield radars at all.

This is often used by owners of unregistered small aircraft. Of which in the United States, according to police estimates, there are tens of thousands. They clog and complicate the monitoring of US airspace to such an extent that, most likely, deliberately monitoring airspace at ultra-low altitudes is carried out formally, that is, in no way.

At the moment, the NORAD system is engaged in radar control of the air situation over the territory of the continental United States and Canada only for ballistic targets in the interests of missile defense. To control the airspace of aerodynamic targets, mobile radars are used, up to 12 air defense fighters and 2–3 AWACS aircraft are constantly in the air. That's the whole air defense of the US territory.

A standard NATO airborne early warning aircraft - AWACS E-3C / D / F / G will detect a Tomahawk or Caliber at a distance of 240 to 320 km, depending on the angle to the target and the altitude of its flight. But the "Petrel" at a distance of 40 to 100 km (depending on the real EPR of the rocket), if it is at the right time in the right place, and immediately loses it, Western experts estimate the EPR of the missile at the level of Kh-101 and AGM-129A from 0,01 (flank projection) to 0,001 m2 (frontal projection). The missile will only briefly strike on the radar screen and disappear, the operator has no choice but to take this splash for a flock of birds or a big wave. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack with a magnet, especially if you don't know where to look.

All these are theoretical estimates, in reality, in practice it is even worse. Suffice it to recall the episode that took place on March 11, 2022. The Ukrainian Tu-141 Strizh UAV, launched by the crew of the 321st separate UAV squadron (Raukhovka village, Berezovsky district, Odessa region), flew over 550 kilometers from Ukraine to Croatia and, after losing a control signal, crashed when it ran out of fuel.

A press release from the Office of the President of Croatia quotes President Zoran Milanovic as saying that

"the aircraft entered Croatian airspace after more than 40 minutes of flight over Hungary undetected."

Then UAV flew for seven minutes in Croatian airspace and crashed in the city's Jarun district. The statement also said the drone was flying from Ukraine at a speed of more than 850 km/h at an altitude of 1 meters, crossed Hungarian and Croatian airspace and crashed in central Zagreb.

According to the first investigative reports published in Croatia, the drone lost control signal and flew until it ran out of fuel. Meanwhile, Hungarian sources reported that it arrived in their airspace via Romania, again without being detected by air defense systems. The event is being treated as a serious incident and Croatia has launched an investigation to try to understand how an old Soviet-era drone was able to pass undetected through NATO airspace.

Croatian President Zoran Milanovic said it was clear that the drone came from Ukraine and entered Croatian airspace after flying over Hungarian territory. At this time, two AWACS E-3C aircraft patrolled in the airspace of Hungary, Romania and Croatia: American and British. Neither one nor the other saw a target with an RCS of more than 5 m2flying at an altitude of 1 meters without changing course and altitude (straight-line). There are questions. Is the AWACS E-300 capable of seeing small and low-altitude targets? And not only me. Here are some examples from social media. In general, it should be noted that there was a uniform panic in social networks then.

One of the Twitter clients under the nickname Vladimir Mrkša writes:

“How could this device fly over Romania, Hungary and Croatia without being intercepted? Hmm, you can’t say anything, “excellent”, however, NATO has air defense.”

He is echoed by a user with the nickname ASTA:

“Neither NATO AWACS nor AGS ground surveillance spotted this 15m drone during its 350 mile journey across multiple countries?! What would happen if it collapsed in the center of the city, killing dozens of people in the process?

9М730


The body of the 9M730 rocket is made using the Stealth technology, the cross section of the fuselage is an inverted trapezoid, the signal reflected from the rocket in the onboard projection goes under it, and does not return to the radar antennas, and this is at a flight altitude of 25-50 meters. "Zircon" due to the specifics of the laws of aerodynamic flight at hypersonic speeds is made of heat-resistant materials with a large number of fuselage elements and aerodynamic surfaces made of titanium and steel alloys, a design of straight lines and sharp corners.

In general, a solid, huge "corner reflector", according to the most conservative estimates, an RCS of about 15 m2, such an object, and even flying at an altitude of up to 30 km - the E-3C will detect at a distance of 500 to 600 km. The Zircon's only advantage is its speed, meaning it's easy to spot, but hard to shoot down.

The only reliable way to detect the Burevestnik rocket is by its radioactive trace that it will leave on its way - the isotopes of iodine 131, ruthenium 103, cesium 134 and cesium 137, but it has a drawback - the detection of the rocket trace will occur on the third or fourth day, when radioactive elements reach the upper atmosphere.

Given the 2-megaton SBC, Burevestnik is the only one of all the “Putin cartoons” that the US will only learn about using when one of the large metropolitan areas suddenly disappears along with the entire population. Only now it becomes clear such "close attention" to this particular missile from the Western media and our "fifth column" and a clearly organized campaign to discredit. 9M730 "Burevestnik" is an ideal "weapon of deterrence", the enemy will always be convinced, whatever his intentions towards Russia - the "response" is inevitable and inevitable.

During the tests in the fall and winter of 2017, a mobile launch site was used, created using artillery parts of the 9P113 launcher of the 9K52 Luna-M missile system with a launch container made on the basis of the container of the 4K44 Redut missile system.

Obviously, the rocket is in the dimensions of the Bazalt anti-ship missile - Vulkan, and directly asks for armament of the Marshal Ustinov and Varyag cruisers in the CM-248 launch containers. Preliminarily carry out the modernization of the cruisers, replacing the Osa-MA near-field air defense system with the Pantsir-M.

Most likely, the main method of basing missiles will be a ground-based mobile launcher.

Each of the newest Russian weapons created recently has its undeniable advantages, but there are also disadvantages, and you need to think hard before sacrificing some type of weapon to the new START.

It seems that while the fate of the Burevestnik was being decided, the START was being covered with a copper basin. It is good to.
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  1. +50
    18 February 2023 03: 49
    Lord, what are the "Petrels"? Yes. give the army an elementary connection, give at least some ammunition, 122 has long been at zero, 152 is with a gulkin nose. We already have D-1s at the front, and some have "Petrels" in their heads .....
    As for the fact that "one of the major US cities will suddenly disappear along with its entire population," our authorities do not dare to strike at the communications of Maidan Ukraine (Ukraine Karl, not the West), his television is working, even strikes at the energy infrastructure are such that, God forbid, they do not cut off power to Ukraine, otherwise how will we drive resources to the coveted West.
    In general, of course, the fact that we remembered the Petrel is symptomatic. The worse things are in the real world, the more actively the West demands capitulation, payment of reparations and a tribunal over the Russian authorities, the more often our internal propaganda will talk about how our Petrel flies across the expanses of Poseidon and everyone is so afraid of us that in fact we have already won.
    1. -1
      18 February 2023 04: 24
      the more actively the West will demand surrender, payment of reparations and a tribunal over the authorities of the Russian Federation

      From whom to demand?
      1. -1
        18 February 2023 05: 00
        Quote: malyvalv
        From whom to demand?

        So the authorities of the Russian Federation and demand. The minimum requirements of the West are only for entry into negotiations - the border for 1991. compensation for Ukraine's material losses and a war criminals tribunal.
        Well, then a wide field of opportunities opens up for such beloved multi-moves and cunning plans, the surrender of Crimea may not be allowed to be issued immediately, but after a transitional period, reparations through the already seized parts of the gold reserves, and to hand over all the "extremists" in the Hague in a wide range from Prigozhin to Strelkov.
        So you can try to extort a few more years in power and property.
        1. +8
          18 February 2023 05: 29
          Whose Crimea? Answer, dear, please.
          1. -5
            18 February 2023 06: 11
            Interestingly, the "Belisarius" himself believes in this ?? And it looks like a liberal training manual a year and a half ago
            1. -3
              29 October 2025 12: 07
              Quote: Guran33 Sergey
              I wonder if "Belisarius" himself believes this?

              No, it looks like he's sitting in a cauldron and here he's crying. He's completely lost his bearings.
          2. +32
            18 February 2023 06: 24
            Quote: Mikhail Tynda
            Whose Crimea? Answer, dear, please.

            Russian.
            1. -11
              18 February 2023 12: 47
              Quote: Belisarius
              Quote: Mikhail Tynda
              Whose Crimea? Answer, dear, please.

              Russian.

              He is Russian and was in Ukraine. Russian or Ukrainian?
              1. +34
                18 February 2023 13: 18
                Quote: Carat
                He is Russian and was in Ukraine. Russian or Ukrainian?

                I see the level of discussion is rising)
                I can't stand the word "Russian", which has been widely introduced since the time of Yeltsin as a quasi-replacement for the forbidden word Russian, but if you, as a true "dear Russian", use it, then it is Russian.
                1. -4
                  20 February 2023 18: 53
                  But it’s interesting, if we have the Russian Federation, then how to denote the belonging of any subject to it, if not with the word “Russian” ???
                2. -8
                  28 October 2025 06: 34
                  I've heard this kind of reasoning somewhere before, but I just remembered how the Right Sector scum in 2015 discussed the meanings of "nationalism" and "Nazism" in exactly the same way—they thought they were two different things. What do you think?
                  1. 0
                    1 November 2025 10: 52
                    Nationalism is the healthy self-defense of any nation, the people's shield and sword. Only one's own nationalism can counter enemy nationalism. But we lack our own nationalism, the nation's immunity. Therefore, we are defenseless against Nazis of all stripes.
                    A society without nationalism can only exist if all nationalism, segregation, and tribalism are burned out with a hot broom. Nationalism thrives on the advantages granted based on nationality.
                3. +9
                  28 October 2025 09: 38
                  Quote: Belisarius
                  I see the level of discussion is rising)
                  "It's dawn on the collective farm," don't mess with it, thematic "firewalls" and online claqueurs have activated. What's missing is "the cat abandoned her kittens, it's Putin's fault"—it's pure empty talk and demagoguery, and it's like, it's impossible to even consider whether it was the cat that abandoned Donbas for eight years and recognized the integrity of Ukraine under Poroshenko...
                  What's next for the SVO? With this kind of grinding, no amount of resources will be enough to take on the entirety of NATO and the US, which haven't had to optimize or bankrupt factories, research institutes, and design bureaus. Thankfully, there's still some Soviet legacy left; not all the old guys are gone, even though they've still managed to cobble together the Burevestnik.
                  The Feast of St. Jorgen continues...
              2. +15
                18 February 2023 21: 28
                Soviet """"
              3. +3
                29 October 2025 10: 44
                Russian or Ukrainian?

                And whose Russian is this?
                The current Russian language is very much at odds with Russian...
            2. -12
              18 February 2023 13: 17
              Quote: Belisarius
              Quote: Mikhail Tynda
              Whose Crimea? Answer, dear, please.

              Russian.

              In fact, Crimea is multinational. Three official languages. Ukrainian, Crimean Tatar. Russian. More than one hundred and fifty nations and nationalities live in Sevastopol-Crimea. And Crimea-Sevastopol is part of the Russian Federation.
              1. +32
                18 February 2023 13: 43
                Quote: 30 vis
                In general, Crimea is multinational.

                In fact, the word Russian has never been used in the narrow ethnic sense of the word. Neither in the Imperial nor in the Soviet period.
                Let me remind you that even in the empire our tsars were Russian (although by nationality they were generally Germans in the last 130 years).
              2. -6
                28 October 2025 17: 18
                According to its draft constitution, the Russian Federation only has a 200-mile continental shelf zone, Article 67. Read it. The Russian Federation isn't a state in the true sense of the word. It's a trading corporation managing the territory and resources of the RSFSR (there was a great video on YouTube with a response from the UN Secretariat on this matter). And as for the sign in the UN that says "Russian Federation"—there's a letter from Yeltsin asking the USSR to be called the Russian Federation. What's there to say? All ministries are registered as legal entities, commercial entities, with the US Department of Labor (the barcode on any police officer's ID, for example, clearly states this—it's the state of California, yikes). So whose Crimea is it? The RSFSR, since the 1979 constitution is the one in effect, while the draft "constitution" of the Russian Federation remains just a draft, as it hasn't been approved. And its amendments were made without a referendum, through a plebiscite. Putin himself spoke about this when the people were outraged that there was no vote, but new articles did exist. So Crimea is part of the RSFSR.
                1. +1
                  28 October 2025 18: 43
                  Quote: Shefango
                  So whose Crimea?

                  Crimea - Sevastopol - Russia. What's not clear?
                2. +1
                  29 October 2025 09: 37
                  So you simply threw out the first part of Article 67?
                  Okay, let's look: "The territory of the Russian Federation includes the territories of its constituent entities, internal waters and territorial sea, and the airspace above them."

                  By the way, "de jure" is impossible without "de facto"; they are much more closely related than you think.
                  1. 0
                    29 October 2025 16: 39
                    2. Russian Federation has sovereign rights and exercises jurisdiction over the continental shelf and in the exclusive economic zone of the Russian Federation in the manner determined by federal law and the norms of international law.
                    Source: https://constitutionrf.ru/rzd-1/gl-3/st-67-krf
                    Clause 1 is legally null and void, since there was no transfer of entities. Neither territory nor property.
                    1. 0
                      29 October 2025 19: 54
                      Shefango, you're as far removed from jurisprudence as the Earth is from the Moon. So you understand, I'm telling you a "top secret": paragraphs 1 and 2 of Article 67 of the Russian Constitution refer to completely different matters. Paragraph 1 concerns the common territory of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, while paragraph 2 concerns territories located beyond the state borders over which the Russian Federation has sovereign rights and exercises jurisdiction, based on international law. Don't confuse hot with wet.
            3. +9
              18 February 2023 13: 18
              Do not overshadow the weekend for the nerds, your pressing problems do not bother the leader of the tribe
            4. -7
              28 October 2025 07: 49
              Whose Crimea? Answer, dear, please.

              There are Russians in Ukraine too. To understand who you are, answer again: "Whose Crimea: Russia's or Ukraine's?"
          3. Aag
            +16
            18 February 2023 11: 10
            Quote: Mikhail Tynda
            Whose Crimea? Answer, dear, please.

            And Kherson? Nikolaev? Zaporozhye?
            1. +4
              18 February 2023 13: 16
              Quote: AAG
              Quote: Mikhail Tynda
              Whose Crimea? Answer, dear, please.

              And Kherson? Nikolaev? Zaporozhye?

              They forgot about Odessa and Kharkov, dear.
          4. +24
            18 February 2023 13: 45
            Quote: Mikhail Tynda
            Whose Crimea?

            It would be better to ask Yeltsin's gang. And at the same time about the 15 former republics of the Soviet Union. Whose are they?wink
          5. +8
            19 February 2023 18: 23
            you look like Ukrainian titushki who pissed off the population with this issue, and people like you poked their fingers at them and said what kind of nits they are. I express to you my sincere disrespect and contempt.
          6. 0
            19 February 2023 20: 39
            Mr. Gordon, you forgot to log in
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          8. 0
            1 November 2025 15: 22
            What Crimea is there in 2023?
            Whose Ukraine is it?
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        3. 0
          28 October 2025 19: 08
          And here comes another cheap provocation.
      2. +6
        9 May 2023 09: 35
        Agree. Why all these super-petrels, if there is no minimum in the army. Communication - the level of the Second World War, well, a little higher. The generals themselves use ammunition, apparently. Reports and reports - you can crap one's pants with happiness, in fact - it's a shame to say.
        The most important thing is that the leaders in the CIS and within society have no will to restore elementary order. Education and culture have been the scourge of the people for many decades. America is raising our children.
    2. +10
      18 February 2023 06: 32
      Quote: Belisarius
      Lord, what are the "Petrels"?

      At the end of the forties of the 1952th century, the State Department issued a competitive task for a nuclear propulsion system. Someone won and began work.. GRU found out about it.. Somewhere in XNUMX, some "sharashka" began work in this direction. Then a cunning illiterate Ukrainian conducted a sequestration of scientific work (famous lyric physics) and received information that this project is for 50 years, cut funding by 70%, and handsome Kennedy closed this program altogether. And now we have a "burevestnik", and they don't have a "burevestnik" .. D-1 - so it's good that "effective managers" couldn't sell this weapon somewhere and now they are quite decently striking the Outskirts rebels. It's a pity there are no mortars from the 152th century with their monstrous caliber and indestructibility - to destroy it you need to hit the barrel several times with a XNUMX mm gun .. Or with a "crowbar", but this is from the realm of fantasy. And so a mine weighing half a ton even once an hour ...
      1. -2
        18 February 2023 09: 34
        Kennedy closed this program altogether .. And

        Buddy, the states closed this program not because they are stupid, but because this program is a dead end and money wasted. 5 AUG will definitely be more effective. We don’t know how to make AUGs, so they overpower the unparalleled.
        And whether we have a petrel is not exactly known, it seems that there is, but they won’t show it, because it’s secret.

        It's a pity there are no mortars of the XNUMXth century

        But there are elephants, give an idea to the Moscow Region and let them buy war elephants in India.
        1. +3
          18 February 2023 09: 50
          Well, they don’t believe in such an idea, but it was so good - 500-600 mm caliber. 200-300 barrel thickness .. it’s not long to bungle a min at a distance of 2-3 km, a trench with a mortar, a couple of messages were brought along it on a motorcycle charging cart three mines - fired briskly, left for shelter, waited out the answer, picked up the mortar that had fallen from close explosions and shoot again
        2. +6
          18 February 2023 10: 05
          And where did I write about fools, perhaps about "effective managers" and then they are not fools, they are simply imprisoned for destruction - different civilizations, different possibilities ..
        3. +1
          19 February 2023 10: 54
          If we believe the Americans, then about 15 prototype launches were carried out. The first 7 apparently did not work as planned (?), the following ones seemed to take place. Why "seemed" - the test program and what was tested during the launches is unknown. But if it flies, then the engine is fully operational. Perhaps they are now improving the automatic control, its protection on the device and everything related to ensuring the operation of the missile at all stages of combat work.
          After all, in addition to launching, it must also be monitored and, possibly, retargeted if necessary. And this, with its operating ranges, is obviously provided by a satellite constellation.
      2. +7
        18 February 2023 15: 49
        Quote: Guran33 Sergey
        It’s a pity there are no more mortars of the 152th century with their monstrous caliber and indestructibility - in order to destroy it, you need to hit the muzzle of the barrel with XNUMX millimeter paper several times ..

        Do you dream about it?

        But this is "perfect" for "lazy warriors"! For the "rate of fire" was from 1 to 6 (on average 4 ...) shots per day! belay And also imagine how many excavators are needed to install the weapon and how many hours it will take them to complete their work! wink
      3. 0
        18 February 2023 18: 58
        Quote: Guran33 Sergey
        And now we "have a petrel, but they don't have a petrel"

        Such weapons increase the likelihood of a nuclear accident by an order of magnitude. That Poseidon is supposedly uninterceptable, that the Petrel. Our planes regularly fall over there, and then a nuclear reactor will fall on your head
        1. +3
          19 February 2023 15: 33
          So you live somewhere with adversaries, since a "petrel" falls on your head and a "Poseidon" arranges an accident ..
          1. +4
            28 October 2025 06: 34
            Quote: Guran33 Sergey
            So you live somewhere with adversaries, since a "petrel" falls on your head and a "Poseidon" arranges an accident ..

            Do you think Burevestnik is launched from American territory? belay
            Interesting point of view.
        2. 0
          14 July 2025 03: 02
          Such weapons increase the likelihood of a nuclear accident by an order of magnitude

          What's the difference? If they are used, then life on earth is heading towards "sunset". Haven't you thought about it?
        3. +1
          28 October 2025 19: 10
          This is what blind "love" for the Motherland does to a person.
    3. -1
      18 February 2023 10: 01
      Quote: Belisarius

      Lord, what are the "Petrels"? Yes. give the army an elementary connection, give at least some ammunition, 122 has long been at zero, 152 is with a gulkin nose. We already have D-1s at the front, and some have "Petrels" in their heads .....

      Wow, that's how it is... It turns out that "Burevestnik" is to blame for the fact that "122 has long been at zero, 152 - a mere pittance. I didn't know. Thank you, Belisarius, for opening my eyes. Ask your wife, and she will confirm that she is capable of cooking you the first, second, and third courses for lunch SIMULTANEOUSLY. hi
      1. +8
        18 February 2023 12: 11
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Wow, that's how ... It turns out that "Petrel" is to blame for the fact that "122 has long been at zero, 152 is with a gulkin's nose. I didn't know. Thank you Belisarius, I opened my eyes

        The fact of the matter is that with a drink on "unparalleled in the world" projects, as well as PR on them, they covered up the real state of the army and the absence of the most elementary in it.
        As a result, everyone involved with a lot of money, and in the army there is neither Petrel, nor communications, shells, etc.
        Returned to the Middle Ages military equipment for the mobilized is collected by families and communities.
      2. -11
        18 February 2023 12: 18
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Wow, how ... It turns out "Petrel" is to blame

        Belisarius is an anti-statist. He needs to sow doubt and discontent. Cause? - At the front, the Hohlonatsiks have a complete mess: shells - take care! tanks - maybe as many as 14 units. they will give ... planes - the unattainable dream of a bubuin about oranges!
        But you need to somehow resist the NWO, well, at least on the Baltic front, throw verbal husks on the public - and let them wash themselves off, justify themselves, say that this is all wrong! The receiver is well known. And Goebbels' tactics: the more terrible the lie, the easier it will be believed!
        But in the essence of the article, Belisarius cannot blather anything, because. "there is nothing to cover!" The Yankees are in a deep hollow both in terms of hypersound and in terms of KR Str.D with POISON ...
        AHA.
        1. +21
          18 February 2023 14: 19
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Belisarius is an anti-statist.

          Another two. I am a tough statist, but I am really against the government that has been established in Russia since 1991 precisely because she is fatal for the Russian state and people. Only a blind person or someone involved could fail to notice this in 32 years.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          But in essence, Belisarius cannot blather anything

          The essence of the article is that a missile that is not in service "has no analogues in the world", with the same success I can write an article that I am the emperor of the galaxy and I have a laser blaster, and then demand a discussion of these theses "on the merits"
          Before the SVO, such articles were amused, now, against the backdrop of all the problems in the real world and the real army, they cause rage.
          1. +6
            18 February 2023 19: 40
            Before the SVO, such articles were amused, now, against the backdrop of all the problems in the real world and the real army, they cause rage.

            Why? For sane people (that is, those who live in the real world and are aware of this) nonetheless ..... the features were, in general, obvious. Now this ... evidence has even begun to reach some (unfortunately) "patriots", "guardians" and the like. But, only up to some, and even they can’t pronounce some words out loud. As in that joke about Vovochka)) But rage ....
            Such a development of events is obvious and logical. Unfortunately. You can remember hand-compotion, you can remember the late Union .... At the appropriate stage of existence, of course. Everything is logical and predictable. Another thing is where it all will roll ... From here, yes, there is still space ....
            1. +17
              18 February 2023 22: 11
              Quote: frog
              But, only up to some, and even they can’t pronounce some words out loud. As in that joke about Vovochka)) But rage ....

              You're right, but I can't take it off
              Firstly, a lot of good people and simply a lot of people died thanks to such an amazing conduct of the war and such construction of the army, they believed in Novorossiya, or believed that they could change something and now they are gone...
              Secondly, any sacrifices are justified when there is hope for the best, but with the type of thinking, let's dream about how Burevestnik burns Washington, while the territory of Russia is being shelled like in a shooting range, which no one pays attention to anymore - no hopes are possible. There is no future.
              And since I want it to be, I cannot be detached from it.
              1. +15
                19 February 2023 17: 14
                I fully support you, and I will remind the rest of you of the story with Khibiny, which more than half of the commentators here were so enthusiastic about. And where are these Khibiny now? No, it all turned out to be crap. That's how it will be with Burevestnik. And if it really exists, then why blab about it ahead of time? Why declassify new equipment? The same about Poseidon, why did they blab? The main thing is that the equipment has not been accepted into service and whether it will be accepted is unknown, and here they are already dreaming about how it will sweep away American cities.
                1. +12
                  20 February 2023 01: 06
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  I fully support you

                  Thank you for the kind words. Here the worst thing is this type of thinking itself. People literally daydream and do not want to look at reality. Their house is on fire, and being in a burning house they dream of new curtains.
                  An elementary example - in the real world, Maidan Ukraine is shelling Russian territory every day (not new, but native). Of course, it is not afraid of any "Burevestniks" or other nonsense, in the real world, the leadership of the Russian Federation is afraid to even lay a finger on the officials of the "respected Ukrainian partners". Here on VO yesterday there was an article about this (today there are no more reports of new shelling, although today they killed a girl), and what do you think?
                  No one even commented on it, everyone pretends that it just doesn't exist. Just like they pretend that we have a connection, a uniform, etc. No witnesses of the Petrel sect have shown up there. They are not interested in it at all.
                  But to dream about how hundreds of Petrels burn America and how she is afraid of the mighty Russian Federation here who immediately want the sea ....
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  and the rest I will remind the story of the Khibiny, which was so admired by more than half of the commentators here

                  There are many such examples... The thing is that people flying on Burevestniks and scaring Donald Cook with Khibiny usually have the memory of a guppy fish. They really don't remember their own delights about the powerful electronic warfare. And if you remind them, they immediately become mortally offended - then you become an enemy of the people.
                  The same applies to the Petrel, because they talked about it as an existing and real weapon 5 years ago. It's a long time, so what? What is the result?
                  I'm not saying that initially the story of Mr. Putin made sense to try to persuade the West to negotiate what he then said in plain text, and the second meaning was internal propaganda.
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              2. +3
                21 February 2023 21: 01

                You're right, but I can't take it off

                So this is just understandable. But... It's useless to get angry at the rain. Even if you forgot your umbrella...
                And the current state of affairs - this is the same rain. We don’t like him, but what can we do .... I understand that the analogy is very weak, but what is it ...
                As for those who "dream how the Petrel burns Washington", then there were always enough of these cricetinae. and not only here. Alas.
          2. -2
            28 October 2025 19: 13
            The butting goat's horns have been broken, and no one can fix you. Therefore, comrades, I suggest you don't waste your time on vanity.
        2. +2
          19 February 2023 01: 19
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          In essence, the article

          And this "Belisarius" very deftly took away from the essence of the article, and all the comments around his splashes and tricks.
          By the way, about the essence - I saw the most interesting thing in the article even AT ALL not in the not yet accepted "Petrel", but about the weight characteristics and power of domestic nuclear warheads. Proceeding from this, it is obvious that the usual "Caliber" may well carry 400 kg of nuclear warheads with a capacity of ... those same 2 Mt. , missiles such as "Onyx" and "Zircon" nuclear warheads with a capacity of as much as 500 Kt. , and some ... X-35 what 200 ct. ... this is if to the maximum. And the times are now such that EVERYTHING needs to be done to the maximum.
          An analysis of the state of US air defense is very interesting ... they had it so-so in the last years of the Cold War, but now they have completely relaxed. However, they have a bet on fighter aircraft and AWACS.
          But in light of the current situation, it would be extremely useful for us to sharply increase the number and range of carriers of cruise missiles and gazur missiles. And mainly sea-based. And if the construction of frigates of Project 22350 and 22350M depends entirely on the rhythm of deliveries of propulsion plants, then the possibility of continuing the construction of the Borei submarine submarine in the Borei-K version with cruise missiles and gazur missiles in launch tubes (5 gazur missiles or Kalibr-M, or 7 Kalibr cruise missiles in each tube) cannot be neglected. Each Borei-K will be able to carry 16 Tsirkons or Kalibr-Ms (80 - 4000 km) or 4500 Kalibrs in just 112 launch tubes. Plus up to 12 - 20 Kalibrs for launch via TA. Just calculate how much joy such a beauty (Borey-K) can bring to the enemy's land/continent if each missile is equipped to the maximum. bully It will be just some kind of holiday - the Holiday of Heat and Light. fellow
          At the same time, such a Borey-K will cost (without missiles) no more (or even less, with serial construction) than ... a light frigate (!) Project 22350. Yes And so many fellow joy for such "ridiculous" money.
          And since such a luxury will cost ... little, then it is necessary and possible to build such SSGNs - A LOT. Therefore, they must be built at least 12 pieces. - 6 pcs. on the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet. So that at the same time there were from 2 to 4 such beauties at the database and launch distance across the USA. This greatly compensates us for the small number of ocean-class surface ships capable of being on duty in the North Atlantic and the North Pacific. And if Yaseni-M joins such duties (they can carry 2 - 2,5 times less, even though they themselves are 2+ times more expensive than Borea), then from each coast of the United States they will have 2 - 3 strike submarine nuclear cruisers capable of carrying out and glazing both of their coasts. Yes From a dagger distance and without using the strategic nuclear forces of the RF Armed Forces.
          And such a prospect is already much more interesting than the nuclear-powered Burevestnik. Although ... if it is based in the Far North or even on Novaya Zemlya, then ... why not. feel The main thing is the nuclear warhead for the entire spectrum of their carriers, because their weight dances from 100 kg. ... And even a special modification of the media is not required, only a special version of the software.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          The Yankees are in a deep hollow both in terms of hypersound and in terms of KR Str.D with POISON ...
          AHA.

          I don’t think that they somehow suffer especially from the fact that they don’t have this ... but from what we have ... it will definitely strain. And they should not be included in any START. Yes, and it's time to lower this agreement into the scrap. And build up your strategic nuclear forces for a guaranteed sufficient level. At least one and a half times. And do it (US) smile very simple too. Just add an additional number of soil complexes to the Strategic Missile Forces, fill all the remaining silos and ... DO NOT WRITE OFF those five Dolphins from the Sineva and Liner SLBMs, but simply withdraw them to separate bays as stationary launch systems with power supply from the coast. wink And this is neither more nor less than 80 additional intercontinental-range SLBMs (11 km) on alert.
          On PERMANENT (!) Combat duty. bully
          And we will consider this increase as compensation for the nuclear potentials of England and France.
          The Boreev-A bookmark program is coming to an end (no more than 12 are planned), so it's time to prepare bookmarks for SSGNs based on them. We will assume that they will replace the "Batons".
          hi
          And "Belisaria" and Co. it's better to just ignore it.
          1. -5
            19 February 2023 02: 22
            Hello colleague! drinks

            Quote: bayard
            But for us, in the light of the current one, it would not hurt to dramatically increase the number and range of carriers of CD and GZUR. And mainly - sea-based.

            About to increase - I agree. About sea basing is a difficult question.
            From conversations with high-ranking generals, I concluded for myself that the Burevestnik completely replaced the BZHRK.
            Its range allows it to be deployed anywhere in our large country. Beyond the Urals. Which makes their missile defense useless. At the moment when they have almost implemented the concept of a disarming strike.
            Tracking the SSGN is not a problem. At least 10, at least 20.
            We can't build more.

            Quote: bayard
            And "Belisaria" and Co. it's better to just ignore it.

            The client's assertion that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had only 10 S-300 divisions at the beginning of the SVO, everything speaks of him. hi
            1. -4
              19 February 2023 05: 35
              The client's statement that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had only 10 S-300 divisions at the beginning of the SVO, everything speaks of him
              And here the main thing is not the reliability or accuracy of the information, but a banal attack on the fan.
            2. 0
              19 February 2023 05: 57
              Good day! drinks
              Well, since the generals are talking about the "Petrel" seriously, it means that it is still close to implementation. Warhead in 2 Mt. , this is very authoritative and reasoned, but it will be necessary to QUANTITY and ... the factor of time / delivery time - from start to finish. She will fly for a long time.
              Quote: Alex777
              About sea basing is a difficult question.

              Now, with any basing, a difficult question is - with such reconnaissance means, from satellites to undercover. But then I propose to use the SSGN data as a reinforcement and as part of the KUG of surface ships - as it was even under Gorshkov, when at least one SSGN accompanied the smallest KUG. Therefore, reconnaissance and control of the air and surface situation was carried out by surface ships, and the submarine / SSGN from under the water strengthened the anti-submarine defense of the formation and was ready to launch a salvo at enemy ships or coastal targets at the target designation of the surface forces.
              Now the times have changed, but the principle is still working - the SSGN strengthens the KUG with strike weapons and anti-submarine control, and the surface forces, in case of danger from the air, will provide air defense while the SSGN fires off its ammunition. Well, they shoot themselves. After all, they are required to be on duty at a distance of effective launch.
              For submarines, the biggest threat is submarine aircraft. And they are good with the enemy ... But when serving as part of the KUG, these aircraft will not be able to get closer. Especially in a war and threatened period.
              Quote: Alex777
              At least 10, at least 20.
              We can't build more.

              I think that 12 SSGNs for two fleets will be optimal (there will be a dozen more Ashes for them). And as for the expediency ... One such SSGN carries a strike arsenal higher than the atomic modernized "Admiral Nakhimov": against its 80 cells (in which you will have to cram 8 to 16 PLURs), the SSGN has, in addition to 80 "Zircons" or 112 "Caliber" can also be launched through TA from 12 to 20 KR ... though some of them will be PLUR or anti-ship missiles with a supersonic part ... But the composition of torpedo ammunition racks can be varied depending on the tasks. And such an arsenal carrier, larger than that of the Nakhimov, costs (without missiles) 4 (!) times less.
              With a larger arsenal.
              And if the KUG will include ... a pair of frigates pr. 22350.1 (32 cells each)? smile Or as many as three? bully
              So, if the composition of the KUG will be from three frigates 22350.1 + one SSGN, then at the PRICE as one modernized "Nakhimov" their strike potential will be:
              - (in Caliber) 112 + 12 (take the average) + 3 x 32 = 124 + 96 = 220 !!!
              - in "Zircons" (it will be somewhat more modest) 80 + 3 x 24 (we will reserve 8 cells for PLUR) = 80 + 72 = 152 "Zircon" + PLUR and anti-ship missiles.
              And this is all against 64 (MAXIMUM!) "Zircons" (or "Caliber") on the "Nakhimov" ... for the same money.
              Even a third-grader can calculate the level of economic effect. You can even include in the list of tasks in textbooks. bully
              Do you feel the effect and expediency?
              Moreover, the frigates are already being built, and by the time the last SSGN is built (the first half of the next decade), if we have so much time and we don’t exchange for a lot this summer, the SSGN will already have the same KUG that it will strengthen. .. By that time, aircraft carriers can also be built. If you do not steal, but do the deed and be responsible for what you have done.

              And now Russia only ... how is it in the cinema (?) ... "Back to the Future" - in the Superpowers.
              Otherwise, we won't survive.
              And they will have to return their territorial forms and completeness, and acquire new allies, and form and PROTECT their own sales markets.
              This means that the Fleet will be needed.
              Without it, there is no trade, no projection of one's own strength and intentions to protect allies. The blessed Cold War must return.
              But first you need to win on the battlefield.
              Exactly, on the battlefield.
              For we have been challenged, they seek to impose defeat on us, therefore WE must inflict defeat.
              But our Kremlin is so ... "mysterious" ... and ambiguous ... like Tsar Nikola-2 ... and such behavior is fraught. Nikola should have listened to the General Staff then, and not .... And now we have the General Staff ... just as mysterious ...
              And we need certainty and unambiguity.
              1. +4
                19 February 2023 16: 04
                Quote: bayard
                I think that 12 SSGNs for two fleets will be optimal (there will be a dozen more "Ash trees" for them)

                Even the States, with their budget, allowed themselves only 4 SSGNs based on Ohio. 154 CR is very expensive.
                And their destroyers, coming from the database, unload the BC so that another ship can use it ...

                Quote: bayard
                And such an arsenal carrier, larger than that of the Nakhimov, costs (without missiles) 4 (!) times less.
                With a larger arsenal.

                Comparing Nakhimov with SSGN is incorrect.
                The SSGN will definitely accompany him. Perhaps not alone.
                So the number of CR on the cruiser is not important.
                But his air defense / missile defense will have no analogues in our fleet.

                Quote: bayard
                But our Kremlin is so ... "mysterious"

                Looking forward to the 21st. Let's see how everything will be.
                1. 0
                  20 February 2023 19: 51
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Even the States, with their budget, allowed themselves only 4 SSGNs based on Ohio. 154 CR is very expensive.

                  For the United States, at those (!) prices, the cost of the Ohio under SLBMs was approximately $2 billion. , and taking into account their conversion into CD carriers (namely, they were converted, albeit during completion), all 2,5 billion dollars. in THAT prices ... About today's prices for such they have, it’s even scary to imagine.
                  Ours is different.
                  Our first "Boreas" cost 550 million dollars. , and the latter did - 450 million dollars. Therefore, even taking into account its modification in the SSGN, its price will in no way be higher than 550 million dollars. ... or even 500 million dollars.
                  Everything is very interesting in the cost of the CD for them and for us too. Their Tomahawk costs from 2 to 2,5 million dollars. , we have "Caliber" ... 400 - 450 thousand dollars. And taking into account the mass character of its current production, it may be cheaper than 400 thousand rubles.
                  That is, at the end of the 80s - the beginning of the 90s, their "Ohio" with the Kyrgyz Republic cost almost half the aircraft carrier "Nimitz" (5 billion dollars), and today it costs us less than the LIGHT frigate pr. 22350 . wink The cost of CD is also 5-6 times cheaper. And most importantly, we produce an order of magnitude more of these CDs than in the USA. And this is our advantage.
                  And the advantage, especially in war, must be used and realized to the maximum.
                  Quote: Alex777
                  And their destroyers, coming from the database, unload the BC so that another ship can use it ...

                  Well, they do not have enough budget for all ambitions. request Neither for timely repairs, nor for the renewal of the fleet of ships ... Hegemony, it is such an invoice.
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Comparing Nakhimov with SSGN is incorrect.
                  The SSGN will definitely accompany him. Perhaps not alone.
                  So the number of CR on the cruiser is not important.
                  But his air defense / missile defense will have no analogues in our fleet.

                  That's for sure . I actually made a comparison for clarity. We will not see such ships of the Nakhimov class for a long time in the Navy, but we can build SSGNs quite cheaply (in the truest sense of the word). And even as part of a KUG with a pair of LIGHT frigates 22350.1, these SSGNs will be able to MULTIPLY increase their strike power. And to save CR for our ships ... lol in the light of their current consumption and infinity in the NWO, and it is a sin to remember. stop This is definitely not our method.
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Looking forward to the 21st. Let's see how everything will be.

                  We will see ...
                  I thought it wouldn’t happen to watch it live - again, due to the shelling, the Internet is broken in our country ... but they already did it.
                  hi
                2. 0
                  28 October 2025 22: 10
                  The States would have enough money. But it's not enough to just do something; they also need to find a use for it. Otherwise, it's just a waste of money.
        3. +9
          19 February 2023 18: 42
          the real anti-statist is you. thanks to turbopatriots like you, this government will never change, it will never punish a single official or general, it will never work on mistakes in its own, it will never appoint specialists to leading positions. because she has a turbo electorate that will protect her. and she will continue to urinate in the face of the people, not noticing that under their leadership the boat is sinking.
      3. 0
        18 February 2023 13: 22
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Quote: Belisarius

        Lord, what are the "Petrels"? Yes. give the army an elementary connection, give at least some ammunition, 122 has long been at zero, 152 is with a gulkin nose. We already have D-1s at the front, and some have "Petrels" in their heads .....

        Wow, that's how it is... It turns out that "Burevestnik" is to blame for the fact that "122 has long been at zero, 152 - a mere pittance. I didn't know. Thank you, Belisarius, for opening my eyes. Ask your wife, and she will confirm that she is capable of cooking you the first, second, and third courses for lunch SIMULTANEOUSLY. hi

        They are such good wives, mine will also make a salad for three courses and a Napoleon cake at the same time. If it’s a holiday or a birthday, then it’s better not to go into the kitchen. laughing
        1. 0
          19 February 2023 19: 14
          [quote = Ulan.1812] [quote = Krasnoyarsk] [quote = Belisarius]
          _----------------
          .... Ask your spouse, and she will confirm that she is able to cook you SIMULTANEOUSLY and the first, second, and third for lunch. hi[/ Quote]
          They are such good wives, mine will also make a salad for three courses and a Napoleon cake at the same time. If it’s a holiday or a birthday, then it’s better not to go into the kitchen. laughing[/ Quote]
          Minusator, do you have a bad wife? I sympathize and do not need to envy those who are lucky with their wife. laughing
    4. +8
      18 February 2023 14: 40
      The funny thing is that making such a CD on an existing base is not a problem.
      We take the Kh-101(2) with its 5000+ km range, hang the PTB and calmly increase the range to 10+ km. With an accelerator, you can launch from a ground launcher.
      True, this does not make much sense, like the Petrel. However, it is not as harmful to us as this projector.
      In the USSR, by the way, there was a similar project. True, there were fewer enemies in power than now and they understood that ICBMs are many times more effective than all these projects.
      1. +8
        19 February 2023 06: 18
        Quote from cold wind
        In the USSR, by the way, there was a similar project. True, there were fewer enemies in power than now and they understood that ICBMs are many times more effective than all these projects.

        "Storm" was developed when the USSR did not yet have ICBMs. And it was not clear when they would appear and how they would show themselves.
        And the USA had a similar project.
        But the ICBMs turned out to be faster, cheaper, easier to prepare for launch, more reliable and ... more accurate.
        Therefore, with the advent of the R-7, the Storm project was closed.
        And with the "Petrel" ... a really ambiguous project.
        Like Poseidon.
        But damn, both are terrible. Really scary.
        And the enemy should be really scared.
        And both of them are not included in the list of START restrictions.
        That is, we can build and adopt them ... but the Americans simply cannot.
      2. +2
        28 October 2025 10: 05
        From 1961 to 1969, the USSR began testing the Tu-95LAL flying testbed. The key was that one of its engines was nuclear-powered. More specifically, its hot section was converted from kerosene to heat exchangers powered by superheated steam. The reactor itself was housed in the bomber's fuselage. According to the design, the nuclear-powered Tu-95 had no airtime limit.
        However, during testing the following shortcomings were revealed:
        1. The weight of the reactor and coolant greatly reduced the aircraft's payload capacity;
        2. Radiation hazard for the crew. The cabin was separated from the fuselage by a thick lead plate, which also added significant weight;
        3. The exhaust from such an engine contains a fairly large amount of residual radiation, which was actually emitted into the air.

        It seems to me that Burivestnik is a continuation of this concept, since two disadvantages are leveled out in it: there is no crew and there is no longer any difference in the purity of the exhaust for a missile that is heading to cause a nuclear Armageddon.

        London (Carthage) must be destroyed. PROXOR
      3. -2
        28 October 2025 10: 07
        Burya was ready a little later than the R-7. It was canceled for two reasons. The country couldn't handle two space projects, and you've correctly identified the second: the R-7 was simpler and more standardized.

        London (Carthage) must be destroyed. PROXOR
    5. +5
      19 February 2023 07: 37
      Well done Author!
      I subscribe to your every word.
      YES! "Petrel" must be done (the day before yesterday).
      But, in our SVO (Strange military operation) the government collects loot from the population with SMS messages. It is correct: Aligarhs cannot be offended.
      Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov stunned....
      Of particular interest is the enigmatic phrase of the minister:
      “I know that there is never a lot of money, and, of course, there are always more offers to spend than there are resources, but we have a lot of money ...”.
      Wow, where is our money????
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    7. -3
      April 3 2023 09: 40
      Well, let's throw out the entire nuclear arsenal and rivet radio stations
    8. -1
      April 15 2023 11: 01
      What does "already D1" mean?! D-1 is still quite a normal weapon, and eats old ammunition like crazy
    9. -6
      April 26 2023 14: 54
      Since CIPSO does not like it, then we are doing everything right.
    10. +1
      28 October 2025 09: 04
      Quote: Belisarius
      Lord, what are the "Petrels"?

      How can you threaten NATO with 122mm shells?
    11. -3
      28 October 2025 09: 55
      Where did you get the info about
      152- a tiny figure
      .
      It seems like now our guys are also intensively producing these shells, and Comrade Kim is helping.
      1. 0
        29 October 2025 00: 43
        Quote: PROXOR
        It seems like now our guys are also intensively producing these shells, and Comrade Kim is helping.

        This article is from 2023. When the going gets tough and our government needs to threaten its partners, it's time to think of another "wonder weapon." As Mr. Putin said back in 2018, when the Burevestnik, Poseidon, and other missiles were first unveiled, "They don't listen to us, now let them listen." Seven years have passed, and the situation is still the same. Only the situation has gotten 100 times worse.
        Regarding the 152. Yes, they're ramping up production now, the quality is poor, the volumes are small, but they're doing what they can with the current production surplus. And yes, they're actively buying from North Korea. Westerners say up to 50% of their shells are from there. So there are shells, though not many.
        Here are 122 and Gvozdiki are all gone for a long time now.
        1. 0
          29 October 2025 10: 02
          There are no shells, no drones, no ammo either. I wonder what they fight with.
    12. -2
      28 October 2025 19: 06
      Yemelya tried to persuade the pike, and the fool listened. The analogy is similar to your lampoon of an alarmist, or rather, a provocateur.
    13. 0
      29 October 2025 11: 58
      Lord, what are the "Petrels"? Yes. give the army an elementary connection, give at least some ammunition, 122 has long been at zero, 152 is with a gulkin nose. We already have D-1s at the front, and some have "Petrels" in their heads .....

      We're fighting with what we have. That's just the way it is. We're suffering heavy losses, no matter what VVP and others say. Of course, Burevestnik is a thing of the future. It's good if it's close enough.
      However, our number one enemy is NATO, and we need to instill fear in these countries, which they don't have. This requires a dozen ground nuclear strikes with decent tactical nuclear warheads against western Ukraine, close to the border and with an easterly wind.
    14. 0
      31 October 2025 09: 03
      A whole host has fed and continues to feed on this wonder weapon. That's the only thing it's good for. You know who has the guts to use it.
  2. +7
    18 February 2023 04: 26
    Something thought that the PuVRD, due to its cheapness, is perfect for a bait target, in order to deplete the enemy’s air defense, as well as intimidate and divert the attention of the infantry. Because it roars terribly! (as a child I heard at the performance of aircraft modellers).
    1. -4
      18 February 2023 06: 45
      What was called the "Petrel" "is successfully lying around in debris at the bottom of the Nenox Bay, while threatening its testers. Nobody even saw the Poseidon in reality and its" supercharacteristics "are not confirmed - everything is within the framework of speculation. In addition, as one wrote here a smart person a couple of years ago, the fascination with "wunderwaffles" went to the detriment of classical weapons, to the detriment of equipping and modernizing conventional weapons and equipping the army. And he turned out to be right. Now I look again they began to talk about "wunderwaffles" like - here he is an ace up his sleeve! Only something tells me that in fact there is no "ace" ....
      1. 0
        18 February 2023 12: 26
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Only something tells me that in fact there is no "ace" ....

        And if it turns out that he IS!? What then do you order the Yankees to do? Again recalculate the combat potentials of the parties and the probability of defeat ??? And what should the public answer to "uncomfortable" questions? And ahead are elections, access to the budget, the opportunity to make super profits on fat military orders ...
        Say what you like, but they really need such an ACE ... Otherwise, you can get to disarmament ...
        AHA.
        1. -5
          18 February 2023 13: 25
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Only something tells me that in fact there is no "ace" ....

          And if it turns out that he IS!? What then do you order the Yankees to do? Again recalculate the combat potentials of the parties and the probability of defeat ??? And what should the public answer to "uncomfortable" questions? And ahead are elections, access to the budget, the opportunity to make super profits on fat military orders ...
          Say what you like, but they really need such an ACE ... Otherwise, you can get to disarmament ...
          AHA.

          Well, "Belgorod" did not go out to sea in vain.
          Look like "partners" Alarmed.
          1. -4
            19 February 2023 11: 19
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Only something tells me that in fact there is no "ace" ....

            And if it turns out that he IS!? What then do you order the Yankees to do? Again recalculate the combat potentials of the parties and the probability of defeat ??? And what should the public answer to "uncomfortable" questions? And ahead are elections, access to the budget, the opportunity to make super profits on fat military orders ...
            Say what you like, but they really need such an ACE ... Otherwise, you can get to disarmament ...
            AHA.

            Well, "Belgorod" did not go out to sea in vain.
            Look like "partners" Alarmed.

            I didn’t understand something, the invasion of the cissoshniks or someone’s conspiracy.
        2. +3
          7 December 2023 11: 18
          Well, you can talk any kind of crap to the public, no one is answerable to them for anything, and at most they themselves can bleat something.
        3. -2
          28 October 2025 22: 13
          The Americans don't need to do anything. It's the warheads that matter, not the Petrels.
      2. +5
        18 February 2023 13: 01
        But I, for example, remember the comments almost word for word with the tocsin rattled-WE DO NOT HAVE CALIBERS and cannot be .. WE DO NOT HAVE HYPERSOUND and cannot be and again the old old 14 years old manual for her.
      3. +1
        April 26 2023 14: 55
        The main thing is to believe in it and victory is not far off.
      4. 0
        29 October 2025 17: 12
        Exactly. When it comes to actual use, all the deadlines are pushed back. MS-21 (from civilian life). We were drooling over the Sarmat. Where is it? Oh! They're only PLANNING to put it on duty "soon." And all that screaming! We - wow! We're about to drown England with just the Sarmat. So what? Nothing. No one was scared. Lavrov says that no one in the West commented on the tests, pretending to be dumbfounded. No way, they simply understand that setting up production and putting it into combat operation requires a huge amount of time and effort, which may never happen, since they're already planning to fight us until 2030. And then questions about shells, communications equipment, ammunition, body armor, and so on come up again. About what's missing now, and what will be even more of a disaster later. Look, the metallurgical plant in Asha was closed. What's it for? Apparently they're going to make shells out of wood. It's disgusting to watch all this "spirit-lifting" news. What are they all lying for? For the money.
  3. +5
    18 February 2023 05: 47
    “Neither NATO AWACS nor AGS ground surveillance spotted this 15m drone during its 350 mile journey across multiple countries?! What would happen if it collapsed in the center of the city, killing dozens of people in the process?

    Nothing would have happened.
    The Croats would have wiped themselves out, as the Poles had wiped themselves out, in which the Ukrainian rocket killed two people.
  4. +9
    18 February 2023 06: 31
    The fate of the Burevestnik...

    You can organize the publication of articles:
    The fate of "Armata"
    The fate of the "Coalition-SV"
    The fate of PAK DA
    The fate of the Su-57
    The fate of the destroyer of project 23560 - "Lider"
    The fate of "Peresvet"
    The fate of Russia is a continuation of the fate of the USSR ...
    Sorry! stop We will be led in the wilderness for 40 years, like Moses? Why in the desert? Yes, because there is no that binding idea, there are no spiritual bonds... Emptiness!
    There can be no common interests among the population of the country with its gorged leadership of millionaire officials ... This theory does not fit in with the concept of social equality ...
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      1. +7
        18 February 2023 12: 55
        The avant-garde cannot be beaten. It was also a cartoon of 2018, but it is already in service.
      2. -5
        19 February 2023 05: 39
        The fate of "Armata"
        The fate of the "Coalition-SV"
        The fate of PAK DA
        The fate of the Su-57
        The fate of the destroyer project 23560 - "Leader"
        The fate of "Peresvet"
        The fate of Russia is a continuation of the fate of the USSR.
        I would send you a bag of acorns for diligence, but unfortunately everything is over, sorry (
    2. +1
      18 February 2023 08: 54
      We will be led through the desert for 40 years

      He watched the Vremya program, read Kommersant,
      He was horrified and said sadly:
      “You need to be led through the desert for another fifty years,
      Until everyone who voted dies.”


      recourse sad
      1. Aag
        -1
        18 February 2023 11: 16
        Quote: paul3390
        We will be led through the desert for 40 years

        He watched the Vremya program, read Kommersant,
        He was horrified and said sadly:
        “You need to be led through the desert for another fifty years,
        Until everyone who voted dies.”


        recourse sad

        Timur Shaovich - strength! hi
        1. Aag
          0
          18 February 2023 15: 12
          Quote: AAG
          Quote: paul3390
          We will be led through the desert for 40 years

          He watched the Vremya program, read Kommersant,
          He was horrified and said sadly:
          “You need to be led through the desert for another fifty years,
          Until everyone who voted dies.”


          recourse sad

          Timur Shaovich - strength! hi

          I beg your pardon, - Timur Sultanovich Shaov .... feel
        2. +1
          18 February 2023 19: 47
          Timur Shaovich - strength!

          Well, it's hard to argue with that...
          And what about the sovereign? Really
          Is he in captivity of beautiful dreams?
          Can't really see
          That all the swings were on fire?
          What the hell did the clear moon take away?
          "Quo vadis, Caesar?" - that's the question.

          The nobles crowd around him,
          Not that they love, but they are afraid.
          Everyone hurried to beat him with a brow,
          Until they got their foreheads stuffed.

          He stared into the bright distance,
          He stretched out his right hand like a wing,
          And heavy thoughts sadden
          His high forehead.

          Overseas brother scheming
          And also rattling armor.

          It's dark in Mikhailovsky Castle
          But the words are heard again:
          “With me, everything will be like with my grandmother ...”
    3. +16
      18 February 2023 12: 34
      Quote: ROSS 42
      There can be no common interests among the population of the country with its gorged leadership of millionaire officials ... This theory does not fit in with the concept of social equality ...

      Fair enough... But why in Sweden and Norway can combine the interests of the poor and the rich, but we in Russia - no? And the thing is that they have a NATIONAL (!) bourgeoisie and are not engaged in cannibalism of their compatriots. And we have ? She is at least "kart-speaking", but in fact - international! And they do not feel sorry for the natives. Worms do not care about the devoured organism! The main thing for them is to fill their belly ... And even to shake off the loot offshore ...
      BUT.
      1. +4
        18 February 2023 13: 30
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: ROSS 42
        There can be no common interests among the population of the country with its gorged leadership of millionaire officials ... This theory does not fit in with the concept of social equality ...

        Fair enough... But why in Sweden and Norway can combine the interests of the poor and the rich, but we in Russia - no? And the thing is that they have a NATIONAL (!) bourgeoisie and are not engaged in cannibalism of their compatriots. And we have ? She is at least "kart-speaking", but in fact - international! And they do not feel sorry for the natives. Worms do not care about the devoured organism! The main thing for them is to fill their belly ... And even to shake off the loot offshore ...
        BUT.

        Well, when did the murderer and thief Khodorkovsky say that for them Russia is just “hunting territory.”
        That is for robbery.
      2. -3
        April 26 2023 14: 57
        I don't know anyone who is enthusiastic about Sweden. Nothing special can be there. Then they had low spending on the army. Now they will get worse.
      3. -2
        28 October 2025 19: 22
        Are you talking about socialism in the countries of Pederasty?
        1. +2
          28 October 2025 19: 54
          Quote: Volkhov M3
          Are you talking about socialism in the countries of Pederasty?

          There's capitalism with national characteristics. The Swedes and Norwegians haven't lost their conscience and don't indulge in cannibalism. Watch the movie "I Want to Go to Prison." At first, I thought it was a load of crap, too. And recently, over a glass of tea, a friend of mine who works on a dry cargo ship confirmed everything. During repairs (they stopped by to fix a defective piston in a Zulcer cylinder), he got 15 days of imprisonment for a traffic violation (he rented a car from a car-sharing service). He also said that the hotel where he's staying in Murmansk has worse amenities and food. A toilet, a shower, books, a gym with exercise machines... And on the weekends, they let him out—to be with his family.
          I don't think he lied. It's the same in the film! Filming took place in a regular Swedish prison.
          But personally, I'm happy with everything so far... Although, I wouldn't say I'm safe from prison or poverty. Anything can happen.
          AHA.
  5. -8
    18 February 2023 06: 44
    In my opinion, the biggest problem of the rocket will be its disposal. Imagine, the crisis has reached its highest point, the Burevestniki are sent into the air, and then suddenly, as in 1962, there is a lights out.
    1. KCA
      +6
      18 February 2023 07: 19
      If you don’t have any ideas on how to use a miniature nuclear reactor, this does not mean that no one is developing ways to use it, not only as a CR engine
    2. +5
      18 February 2023 07: 41
      Quote: Just_Kvasha
      Imagine, the crisis has reached its highest point, the Burevestniki are sent into the air, and then suddenly, as in 1962, there is a lights out.

      Fuck rapu! Let it fly! Enough for our time! Yes
      1. -5
        18 February 2023 08: 14
        He-he-s. -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------
    3. -6
      18 February 2023 12: 39
      Quote: Just_Kvasha
      the biggest problem of the rocket will be its disposal.

      No problem!!! UTILIZATION - only in a natural way: straight to the designated PURPOSE !!! And let the States rack their brains: how to collect the remains of their cities! am
    4. +2
      18 February 2023 16: 54
      Drown in the Pacific Ocean - that's all ........
    5. +4
      19 February 2023 06: 34
      Quote: Just_Kvasha
      Imagine, the crisis has reached its highest point, the Burevestniki are sent into the air, and then suddenly, as in 1962, there is a lights out.

      There will be no rebound - this is a second strike weapon.
      And even if it goes along with the first, then the ICBMs will fly earlier. And they definitely can't be returned.
    6. 0
      April 26 2023 14: 58
      Rejection is not provided. The doctor said to the morgue - that means to the morgue.
  6. -9
    18 February 2023 07: 13
    Russia should more often develop and implement means that would inspire "banal fear" in the collective West. For each of their sanctions and provocations, something new from military technologies based on domestic components. And right away in the series, and so as not to be a trifle, but essential. Let them wake up in a cold sweat from terrible dreams !!! Only fear can restrain the nonsense that comes into the heads of Russophobes.
    1. -2
      18 February 2023 12: 53
      brand new military technology based on domestic components.
      thanks, laughed
      1. -3
        18 February 2023 13: 51
        Laughing for no reason is a sign of fooling around.
        1. -3
          18 February 2023 19: 49
          Laughing for no reason is a sign of fooling around.


          He-he-s. -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------


          Not without it...
    2. 0
      28 October 2025 03: 50
      That's right. Meanwhile, Mosfilm Studios has sent T-55 tanks to the front lines.
  7. 0
    18 February 2023 07: 39
    There are legends in the West that a Russian nuclear-powered missile leaves a trail of plutonium powder behind it :)
    true or false, but the payload of such a device can only be nuclear, which seriously limits its use: the first to use such a weapon on American or Russian soil will become the ultimate suicide.
    1. +5
      18 February 2023 09: 28
      Quote from: zorglub bulgroz
      There are legends in the West that a Russian nuclear-powered missile leaves a trail of plutonium powder behind it.

      And when it flies, it yells - "Hiroshima, Hiroshima, Biden kaput!"
    2. -1
      April 26 2023 14: 59
      On the contrary, whoever applies first, he will survive.
  8. +7
    18 February 2023 08: 13
    Burevestnik" cannot be detected and intercepted after launch by modern radar and optoelectronic means of detection and target designation. Rocket 9M730 "Petrel", like a ghost, appears for a moment and disappears just as instantly. It can only be detected at the moment of launch, while the starting solid fuel booster is working for this time, no more than 3 seconds from specialized DSP-4 satellites.

    But, unlike ICBMs, they will immediately lose it.


    The only reliable way to detect the Burevestnik rocket is by its radioactive trace that it will leave on its way - the isotopes of iodine 131, ruthenium 103, cesium 134 and cesium 137, but it has a drawback - the detection of the rocket trace will occur on the third or fourth day, when radioactive elements reach the upper atmosphere

    And what about the "thermal trace" of the afftop? Which is detected, for example, from satellites ...!
    And detection using space (satellite) radar from above? Using a "holographic" lidar? Using air turbulence using a lidar?
    1. +1
      18 February 2023 09: 05
      The problem is not to see the launch / flight of the CD, but to bring it down. And secondly, the imperceptible launch of strategic weapons is more bad than good. Stealth provokes the enemy to a preemptive strike.
      1. +1
        19 February 2023 18: 13
        That's when this Petrel will be put into service, when three or four hundred of them will be released, when starting positions, reserve positions and false positions will be created for them, then you can rejoice. Now don't say gop until you jump over.
      2. 0
        28 October 2025 13: 16
        What's the problem with shooting it down or the CR?
    2. +10
      18 February 2023 11: 38
      And what do you want? "The author is not a reader, the author is a writer." If you already undertook to cite SLAM as an example without even bothering to read what it isrequest.
      In those distant times, many were blown away by the seemingly endless possibilities that had opened up. Here and space and the atom, peaceful and military, underground cities of a million people as a result of all these miracles. Hence the SLAM, which was just a cruise missile and was not at all. In the modern classification, it is rather a drone, an unmanned nuclear bomber. SeYA horror was supposed to carry several nuclear bombs and use them on targets on its trajectory according to a given program. But her mission did not end there. Continuing the flight, SLAM continued to inflict damage on the enemy, destroying objects and incapacitating the enemy’s manpower and civilian population with a sonic boom due to its supersonic speed at low altitude, as well as for centuries infecting the area along the flight with the products of its Direct-flow YAVRD. The return to their territory was not planned by itselflaughing.
      Either the authors of the project eventually got out of drug intoxication (you wouldn’t think of such a thing because of the “blue sadness”), or the humanism won among the Americans (at that time the battle for world peace, although it was on the rise, was still fresh in the memory of the events WWII), or the goals became achievable with the help of conventional weapons (and it was also said that no one wanted to test IT on their territory even in the desert, unlike some), but thank God the Horseman of the Apocalypse project was closed. hi
    3. +1
      18 February 2023 13: 16
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And what about the "thermal trace" of the afftop? Which is detected, for example, from satellites ...!

      Nikolaevich, hi
      Everything is correct. The heat engine can't. "traceless". But there are ways to reduce it, by mixing the flow of cold outside air and the exhaust trail ... You can "cover yourself" with clouds, walking at an altitude of 60-300m, etc. but it cannot be eliminated completely.
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And what about detection using a space (satellite) radar from above? With the help of a "holographic" lidar? By air turbulence using lidar?

      In theory, it is also possible... but difficult. The 9M730 will be used in "response" to the attack. And this means that the atmosphere will already be "disturbed" by the nearby nuclear weapons and seriously "mixed". Therefore, it is not a fact that the measures taken by the Yankees will be effective. Then - the order of forces to intercept such an "air raider" will be colossal. After all, it is not known where it will "emerge" from. All that remains is object defense. And here - all the "delights" of repelling NL SVN from different heights and directions!
      But for me, it's better than not. With the next START, there will be something to bargain about and something worth changing for a thread ...
      AHA.
      1. -3
        19 February 2023 16: 48
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        You can "cover yourself" with clouds, walking at an altitude of 60-300m, etc.

        Neither clouds, nor smoke, nor fog, nor rain, nor "disturbed atmosphere" (whatever that means) interfere with modern satellites with AFAR.
        1. +3
          19 February 2023 21: 42
          Seriously? Just hung up a satellite with AFAR and can you safely track all low-flying targets in contrast to the ground, the city? And really, why do we need Awaks, all sorts of AWACS then! Throw an idea to the military, otherwise they are stupid, they rush about with their A50-100-Tu214, it’s just business, stick the AFAR to the satellite and you’re done!
          1. -2
            23 February 2023 19: 50
            Well, like if we don’t know this, it doesn’t happen, right? So only a couple of countries have such satellites, because the technology is complex. With a resolution of 5 cm only in the United States. For example, pictures from them were provided as evidence at the trial of the downed Boeing in 2014. And the Russian military is still wearing a lot of things, having no modern alternatives. Like, in order for such satellites to appear in the Russian Federation, you just need to throw an idea, but to implement it once in a while? And what does AWACS have to do with it in general?
  9. +8
    18 February 2023 09: 21
    "Poseidon" cannot be intercepted or destroyed by modern means of destruction of the US Navy, "Petrel" cannot be detected and intercepted after launch by modern radar and optoelectronic means of detection and target designation.
    This is an overly optimistic statement.
  10. +4
    18 February 2023 09: 21
    Quote: Sergey Valov
    The problem is not to see the launch / flight of the CD, but to bring it down. And secondly, the imperceptible launch of strategic weapons is more bad than good. Stealth provokes the enemy to a preemptive strike.

    Yes, this is a problem ... To bring down what is not ... In my opinion, no one has succeeded so far ... In real life.
    Although ... cartoons have everything. Some draw a rocket, others draw how it is shot down. Parity)))
  11. +4
    18 February 2023 09: 24
    Funny article. We will defeat the pier with unparalleled products. It has long been discussed that in nuclear jet engines, the disadvantages overlap the pros. What does radioactive exhaust cost, and they are also prohibitively expensive, simpler and more reliable than conventional ICBMs.
    Poseidon is also stupid, it is doubtful that the autopilot will be able to "outwit" trained crews of Western submarines. One underwater explosion will not create the movement of water masses for a tsunami.
    1. -2
      18 February 2023 13: 01
      And what kind of exhaust, how many curies are there? Yes, scatter along a route tens of kilometers long at a height of tens of kilometers. You can't even measure with scientific instruments.
      1. +3
        18 February 2023 15: 39
        Quote: stankow
        And what kind of exhaust, how many curies are there?

        5*10^(-9)- 1*10^(-7) кюри/литр
        Where liter = liter of air passed through the core
        Quote: stankow
        Yes, scatter along a route thousands of kilometers long at a height of ten kilometers

        according to the author, it flies at an altitude of 25-30 meters.
        they will not look for her on the trail, which will not go anywhere later and will show the starting point

        Air defense will graze this pepelats by IR signature
        1,5 MW of thermal power cannot be hidden anywhere.
        700 kW will be radiated (efficiency specification under 40-49%) with T under 700K
        and 700 kW will fly out with a jet with T pd \u1000d XNUMXK
        1. +1
          2 December 2023 22: 39
          Let them follow the heat signature, but the radioactive one cannot be seen remotely. Only if you fly after, try the laboratory. Science, not war in real time.
    2. -1
      28 October 2025 13: 19
      Interesting. Where does the radioactive fumes come from?
  12. +5
    18 February 2023 09: 43
    Considering that the once-promoted Burevesnik then completely disappeared from the PR field, and appeared only now, without any evidence of existence, then ....

    thing is strange. Maybe just a distraction..
  13. +2
    18 February 2023 10: 02
    Modern Russian thermonuclear munitions, created already in the 2000–2010s. – 100 kg small class (150–250 kt) and 200 kg medium class (500 kt), 400 kg high class (2 Mt) power, designed to meet modern requirements for increased safety at all stages of the life cycle,


    Many questions, but is there a "boy". The moratorium has been in effect for 30 years. It may be worth testing these warheads, otherwise it may turn out that they are cartoons or even more interesting, there is a Petrel but there is no load. I won't be surprised with our generals.
  14. +3
    18 February 2023 10: 48
    Quote: Belisarius
    what we remembered about the Petrels is symptomatic. The worse things get in the real world... the more often inside our propaganda will tell about how our Petrel flies

    Did I understand you correctly?
    Are you now talking about the fact that the article is custom-made?
  15. +2
    18 February 2023 13: 31
    There are a lot of questions here.
    1) Will we have funds for the manufacture of non-homeopathic quantities of "B"? This is still not a firecracker with gunpowder, inside there will be a sufficiently high-quality reactor (=$$$) and materials that can not die from such operating modes for at least 16 km. That is a long time. Problem 000 follows from this.

    2) Similar products combining a reactor and a ramjet cannot empirically be reliable at a high percentage.
    High speeds, low flight altitude, long-term flight in completely different conditions of humidity, temperature, composition and impurities in the air, in the actual conditions of air cooling of the entire circuit, cannot be a reliable solution. The conditions of internal heat transfer will change unpredictably * flight time. That is, the chances that the structure will successfully fly will decrease with the distance and the specifics of the route.
    Unlike air-launched missiles or ballistic missiles, where the engine runs for a limited time, the "B" system will work for the entire flight period, this is its main weakness.

    3) Thermal trace. It will be huge)) Although "Wiki" claims that "B" will be subsonic, it is worth imagining how much heat during 16-20 hours of flight (subsonic is <1 km / h at measured ranges of 000-12 thousand km) will pass through its bowels, gradually warming up the body, among other things. It does not matter what materials are chosen - either the rocket will be thoroughly heated up by the time it takes off, or there will be a sufficiently detectable exhaust.
    And here we come to possible detection options - the flight of such a large product can be detected by a variety of heat-detecting means, including space systems that record ballistic missile launches. And if, for example, now this may present some kind of problem, in the foreseeable future this is the most effective direction in the search for such objects, given their speed and specificity. Nobody canceled heat transfer, and heat exchange with the environment of such a scale cannot be hidden.

    4) The inevitable progress in the means of combating the CD. Now we are working on targets in Ukraine, often with CRs, and it is logical that after this conflict, the percentage of R&D aimed at combating missile defense against CRs of various types will increase. So the overall effectiveness of the CR as a type of weapon can fall unpredictably. The main means of survival of such missiles is a combination of stealth and inconvenience to shoot down. With progress in the field of UAVs and radar detection, with a decrease in the cost of "smart weapons" of anti-missiles, these advantages of the CD will be leveled.
    Modern developments on the so-called "atmospheric satellites" in general can in the future significantly increase 24/7 border control of UAVs, sharply increasing the situational awareness of a potential enemy.

    I summarize - as a bogey, the product is undoubtedly intriguing. As an effective weapon, it already causes skepticism.
    1. 0
      28 October 2025 19: 27
      It's a pity that Kapitsa won't be able to appreciate his oratorical skills.
  16. +1
    18 February 2023 13: 47
    Quote: malyvalv
    the more actively the West will demand surrender, payment of reparations and a tribunal over the authorities of the Russian Federation

    From whom to demand?

    overseas dreamers...
  17. 0
    18 February 2023 14: 06
    It is Poseidon and Burevestnik that are subjected to the greatest criticism in the Western press. The most effective of the recently created.


    And, you, are you suggesting that a billion people living in Europe and the USA oppose 140 million Russians with Kalashnikov assault rifles?
    History already justifies us, and does not wake up further condemnations that an enemy that was 10 times larger, both in numbers and in economy, was destroyed ...
    The enemy needs to be beaten now, and not to argue what is not and what is needed ... The enemy should not be given the opportunity to prepare, accumulate resources, mobilize and restructure.
    You need to hit now, and very hard ...
    Do not forget we are opposed by a billion, financially and technically superior to us ...
    History is on our side!
  18. +1
    18 February 2023 14: 27
    Quote: author
    and the inertia of the gas column in the long nozzle of the engine.

    recourse
    Inertia is the physical phenomenon of maintaining speed. body constant if no other bodies act on it or their action is compensated.
    The column is not a body, but other bodies act on it
    Quote: author
    The main difference between the Russian Burevestnik and the American SLAM is the equipment of its PuYAVRD, and not the direct-flow nuclear VFD, the presence of an air valve in the PuVRD,

    and Strategic Forecasting, Inc. ("Strategic Foresight") - known as Stratfor, believes that there

    About the electric motor that turns the turbine, this is the stupidity of the journalist, of course: a nuclear turbojet engine


    Quote: author
    Obviously, a rocket in the dimensions of the Basalt - Vulcan anti-ship missile, and directly asks for armament of cruisers "Marshal Ustinov" and "Varangian" in launch canisters SM-248. Preliminarily carry out the modernization of the cruisers, replacing the Osa-MA near-field air defense system with the Pantsir-M.

    Most likely, the main way of basing missiles will be - ground mobile PU.

    belay
    thought flow dualism
    The SM-248 was never a container. It is a launcher. It does not transport ammunition.
    "Vulcan" P-1000 is loaded into the SM-49 launcher

    I doubt in 248 and 49 that it is possible to charge a product with a nuclear energy source and store it for a long time and reliably
  19. VB
    -7
    18 February 2023 15: 25
    Call a spade a spade - a traitor and traitors in Moscow will never use anything and there is no need to talk about it.
    1. -3
      18 February 2023 18: 36
      The propulsion system can be created not only on the basis of heating the working fluid (air) in a constant volume limited by the walls of the chamber, plus a valve, there may be a breakthrough in research with a thermionic reactor that generates current that rotates an electric motor and a screw, or a "beta-voltaic element" based on a semiconductor diode, on the surface of which a layer of radioactive isotope is sprayed. It also generates current.
    2. 0
      28 October 2025 19: 29
      There is nothing in the world more terrible than a traitor on the Internet.
  20. -2
    18 February 2023 18: 52
    "Zircon" due to the specifics of the laws of aerodynamic flight at hypersonic speeds is made of heat-resistant materials with a large number of fuselage elements and aerodynamic surfaces made of titanium and steel alloys, a design of straight lines and sharp corners.

    In general, a solid, huge “corner reflector”, according to the most conservative estimates, an RCS of about 15 m2, such an object, and even flying at an altitude of up to 30 km, will be detected by the E-3C at a distance of 500 to 600 km. The Zircon's only advantage is its speed, meaning it's easy to spot, but hard to shoot down.

    I read in articles that hypersonic missiles fly in a plasma cloud, which greatly reduces the EPR.
    1. +1
      18 February 2023 19: 10
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      yat in a plasma cloud, which greatly reduces the RCS.

      meteors and fireballs will not agree with this. Comets - confirm
  21. +4
    18 February 2023 22: 02
    In my opinion, Burevestnik and others like them will be relevant in the near future, look at the goal-setting of the West. Ukraine is only a detonator, a big drum is approaching, the West has bitten the bit and, breaking everything in its path, longs for the physical destruction of Russia. Therefore, the entire Soyuzmultfilm should take up combat duty as soon as possible, and these are not years but months. They hope that they would not change their minds. Another question is whether Ferrum in Faberge will be enough to reset Western civilization with cartoons, otherwise they will reset us.
  22. +4
    18 February 2023 22: 43
    The Belgorod submarine will not go far from its base and it is not a fact that the Poseidons will be launched at targets. Several striped attack submarines are on duty at the entrance to the Kola Bay + personal satellites or a satellite with round-the-clock surveillance will be allocated for such a boat. So the boat will not cause big problems. Its exit to the sea will be under control. There are also many questions about the Burevestnik, especially after the announced 70% of new weapons! When even the required number of uniforms were not available.
    1. +3
      19 February 2023 13: 05
      In a threatening period, Belgorod should already be at sea. Otherwise, yes, that's right, they just won't let you out.
      1. -4
        19 February 2023 18: 28
        Well, how many Poseidons does Belgorod carry? One? Well, what are we talking about? Everything, forgot, there is nothing to talk about.
        1. -1
          21 February 2023 00: 25
          One boat = 2 Poseidon. He's not really a kid...
        2. -1
          April 7 2023 21: 43
          It's good that you understand everything.
    2. -4
      April 7 2023 21: 57
      It's great that you understand everything!
      I also remember how everyone laughed at Putin when he talked about decision-making centers. With the latter, everything is entertaining and fun, there is a center, but without those who make decisions, it is useless. And so Putin waited for more decision-making people to gather in such a center and hit him with the "Dagger". Also an interesting point. I counted in the American transporter more than fifty boxes wrapped in a mattress with stars, and this has not yet been loaded, and this is not all in the frame. Easily, there will be a hundred, star-striped American scum ... But they missed the launch of attack submarines into the sea, pooped, slammed ... Are you sure of this? That all the American shit floating underwater near the borders of Russia is not under the gun?
      Russia has, in service, three types of hypersonic missiles, Avangard, Dagger, Zircon, and soon they promise Hermes ... In the United States there is not a single type of missile in service, NOT ONE. US science cannot provide the army with effective means of warfare? I did not confuse anything? No, I didn't. Probably, the United States has prepared surprises for the Russian Navy.
      Probably, Russia has prepared surprises for the United States.
    3. +1
      28 October 2025 19: 30
      But there are plenty of punks.
  23. +2
    19 February 2023 00: 01
    Everything is great, a cool toy, but I can't understand that the range is the most defining property of the product? I am retired, so I understand some things((. I would really like to look into the eyes of the developer of the route map, if there are any? Inertial, astrocorrection, GLONASS, digital terrain, etc. How will the product circle around the North Pole, how will it fly over the Pacific Ocean, then loop over Mexico. Maybe the flight time and accuracy are more important. We manage to shoot carriers with an estimated range of 2000 km on average at 300-400 km, and all the bridges are intact.
  24. +2
    19 February 2023 03: 34
    Both Burevestnik and Poseidon projects are of interest only from the point of view of experience in the development and use of compact nuclear reactors. By themselves, these projects in the original design as doomsday weapons are useless and harmful. I will not repeat in detail the shortcomings of these miracle weapons. Dear colleagues have already commented on this in detail. In short, I will say that the main drawback of these projects is a very long cycle and development budget with an unclear perspective. Plus, a very long and slow production cycle for at least some sufficient amount of these media. Instead of these wunder toys, several classic nuclear weapons carriers could be made, which would undoubtedly strengthen our strategic nuclear forces. And so, we have unclear prospects for the spent funds, time and resources. In the original plan, these types of weapons are not applicable due to their slowness. It takes tens of hours for a petrel to hit the enemy, and in the case of Poseidon, several days. By this time, the main hostilities with the use of strategic nuclear forces have already basically come to an end. Who will control these miracle rockets and torpedoes? Who will they hit? Will they hit what is already hit? These developments have no deterrent effect and military expediency.
    1. 0
      19 February 2023 09: 05
      The Burevestnik and Poseidon were announced at the same time, which suggests that they could both be created on the basis of the same power plant, with some differences.
      1. +3
        19 February 2023 18: 33
        About the Petrel as Poseidon was announced at one time,
        and it was the time before the presidential elections. In fact, these statements of his were intended for internal use - as election promises.
    2. -2
      April 4 2023 23: 44
      Quote from Alorg
      Both Burevestnik and Poseidon projects are of interest only from the point of view of experience in the development and use of compact nuclear reactors. By themselves, these projects in the original design as doomsday weapons are useless and harmful. I will not repeat in detail the shortcomings of these miracle weapons. Dear colleagues have already commented on this in detail. In short, I will say that the main drawback of these projects is a very long cycle and development budget with an unclear perspective. Plus, a very long and slow production cycle for at least some sufficient amount of these media. Instead of these wunder toys, several classic nuclear weapons carriers could be made, which would undoubtedly strengthen our strategic nuclear forces. And so, we have unclear prospects for the spent funds, time and resources. In the original plan, these types of weapons are not applicable due to their slowness. It takes tens of hours for a petrel to hit the enemy, and in the case of Poseidon, several days. By this time, the main hostilities with the use of strategic nuclear forces have already basically come to an end. Who will control these miracle rockets and torpedoes? Who will they hit? Will they hit what is already hit? These developments have no deterrent effect and military expediency.

      Poseidon is a weapon of a global simultaneous strike against enemy ship groups, coastal infrastructure and submarine missile carriers. They can start from any carrier to follow the target or lie down near the target in order to explode at the same time on a centralized command. Petrels are also preemptive strike weapons that can launch unnoticed by enemy air defense, approach targets at low altitude from an unexpected side almost simultaneously and hit them almost simultaneously. As much as we don’t like it, there are historical patterns in the development of human civilization - if weapons created, then it must certainly be applied and the winner will be the one who applies it first with the least damage to himself.
    3. +2
      28 October 2025 10: 50
      This has been written about for a long time, but the witnesses to this miracle weapon don't care. Although, yes, the development of power plants is interesting precisely from a technical perspective. However, with this money and resources, it would have been possible to provide adequate SSBN coverage with a serial torpedo submarine and new small anti-submarine corvettes. Or deploy a silo-based division in the Strategic Missile Forces.
  25. +2
    19 February 2023 13: 00
    The main argument that the striped ones have is that they can deploy IRBMs along the western perimeter of our borders with a flight time to Moscow of less than 10 minutes. About St. Petersburg, Smolensk, Novgorod, Sevastopol, I generally keep quiet. Everything is very simple. In the north - Norway, in the north-west of the Balts and, it is possible, the rapidly degrading mind of the Finns. Poland in the west, Romania in the southwest, and in the south - on ships in the Northeast Mediterranean. All of the listed countries will agree to accept these missiles, because. they hate us to bits. We do not have such a symmetrical answer. From the word at all. As a way out, we can propose the transfer of some metropolitan functions inland. Ekaterinburg could be an ideal candidate. You won’t fly there very quickly, and you don’t need to transfer everything, but only part of the strategic military infrastructure. First of all, management. But this solution is also expensive and not fast. Obviously, the striped ones will say the following: what you were making up here, poseidons, petrels, and so on - turn off. Otherwise, along the entire western perimeter on your borders - our missile divisions. When the striped ones reach hypersound, and they reach out, the situation will become critical. At all. Thus, we do not have a wide choice. But curtailing the Burevestnik in exchange for the non-deployment of the INF is still more likely not an option. After a while, something else will happen, and they will still deploy with the IRM, and we will be without ingenious developments. So Yekaterinburg. Under these conditions, the most protected person in the country should no longer be the president or the minister of defense, but the elected one who, at the onset of the X hour, will have time to press the necessary response buttons of unacceptable damage in the middle of the country. And the striped must understand this for sure. Then maybe they won't. And we need to increase the power of nuclear weapons. First of all, thermonuclear. If 100 kt arrives in London, then 1/5 of the city, maximum, will be destroyed. And if 10 mgt, then alles.
    Goodbye Forever!
    1. -1
      19 February 2023 15: 59
      It's simple.

      Everything was just about 40 years ago. Now flying time plays a negative role. The decision to deliver a counterstrike in this case will no longer be made by a person. That is why CUBA is not suitable for us now either. Behind the puddle, they also know this very well and are not particularly in a hurry with these missiles, the price is too expensive in the event of a failure, and they won’t have time to carry their asses away.
      Already at that time, completely new missile defense systems were being developed. These are the Trust and Northern Lights projects. If earlier the elements of these systems were very bulky and energy-intensive, today it is possible to make them mobile. Well, now for the answer. If there are 40 pieces on each side of the mattress of uninhabited vehicles with the same medium-range missiles, the flight time will be about the same. Those ships. services, of course, will visit the "inhabitants of the sea coarse", but this will definitely not add a buzz to the mattress toppers. Well, here's what you can sum up - there would be traction in victory.
      1. +2
        21 February 2023 00: 30
        Well, I won’t downvote you, but I’ll say this: remember 4 am on 22.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX. Whoever strikes first suddenly has the advantage.
    2. 0
      5 October 2024 17: 27
      I'm with you in spirit, but... About Ëburg: no need to get all worked up and fussed, all this has already been done. Just in a different place, have you heard about Mount Yamantau in Bashkiria? If you haven't guessed, I can enlighten you)
      Regarding London, you also have a mistake in the figures, the power of nuclear weapons is exaggerated, two or three times. There are several sites on the Internet, where, for example, using Manhattan as an example, the power of a nuclear strike is shown. Manhattan is one of the areas of New York, and even it alone will not be destroyed by a one-megaton warhead...
  26. -2
    19 February 2023 14: 35
    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2022/12/26/15999361.shtml, у янков слабая ПВО, только вот мячи залетают в наши ворота...
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  28. +1
    19 February 2023 19: 16
    Despite the indignation of the majority from the "fascination" with such "wunderwaffles", it should be noted that there would not have been even half of modern weapons without such projects.
  29. -2
    19 February 2023 20: 20
    My opinion about the unlimited flight time of Burevestnik is not worth mentioning. Yes, it can be much longer than that of a conventional cruise missile. The first reason is that the electronics and mechanisms that control various systems of the missile, like any devices, can fail without reason, like a cell phone ;). The second reason is the possible burnout of the heat-resistant partition between the reactor and the air flow heating chamber, which actually provides the rocket's jet propulsion. Practice shows that at critical temperatures, any heat-resistant materials behave unstably.
    PS Any water heating boiler burns out sooner or later ..
    1. +1
      28 October 2025 19: 32
      You can't drink away your dacha experience.
  30. +2
    19 February 2023 21: 38
    I didn’t understand ... and where does the NATO classification come from ???
    I absolutely don’t give a fuck about STE NATO, and what it calls our weapons is even more fucked up to me.
    And when some journalists begin to call our weapons not ours, they want to throw a bucket of slop at such cretinoids.
  31. 0
    19 February 2023 21: 48
    All the advantages of a low-flying flight are blocked by the presence of people on the ground, who will stupidly see the Petrel with their eyes, and they will also post a video on the Internet, as we observe the Caliber flights in a cart. And if it is known where the KR flew, then it will not be difficult for a supersonic interceptor to intercept it. This is to talk "from the side of Mexico", half of Mexico will be showered by the States with photos and videos with this Petrel.
    1. 0
      20 February 2023 11: 46
      There will be no mass launches .... and they will fly over the Ocean and fly around air defense areas. 404 populated country and around and above a bunch of Avaks and ground-based radars and satellites.
  32. +3
    20 February 2023 11: 44
    Western experts unanimously claimed that this was fiction, "Putin's cartoons."

    Several times we discussed the difficulty of creating such a rocket engine... with two circuits - heavy with one - strong radioactive contamination in the exhaust. And most importantly, unlike Poseidon - one-time use... and if the attack is cancelled - contamination of the impact area. And this at enormous costs. And given that all the same plus or minus can be solved with the help of traditional cruise missiles with nuclear warheads and they can be used with conventional warheads.
    And for nuclear submarines, what is the launch of a BR, what is such a CD ... from any patrol area.
    1. +1
      20 February 2023 12: 50
      The author writes about the alleged use of a PuYaVRD (pulse nuclear air-jet engine) in the Burevestnik. For reference, even a conventional non-nuclear pulse engine has a very low specific impulse (the ratio of engine thrust to the mass flow rate of fuel and air) and, as a consequence, the lowest efficiency (they also have very loud noise), and this despite the fact that the air is heated by burning fuel in it, and when the air is heated by cooling the reactor due to the thermal conductivity of its hot walls, this will further reduce the specific impulse and the power plant will turn out to be very heavy and dangerous to operate. It is much simpler and more efficient to use a steam turbine and use it to turn a pusher propeller. Yes, a steam condenser will be required that will take up half the internal volume of the aircraft, but the specific impulse and efficiency as a whole will increase by an order of magnitude and you can get by with a small reactor.
      1. 0
        20 February 2023 22: 07
        If we develop the topic of nuclear power plants, then it is more realistic with the Propeller
      2. 0
        28 October 2025 22: 21
        A steam turbine, with all its subsystems, is so heavy that it has never been used on an aircraft. And nuclear-powered pulsejet engines don't exist; they were invented by someone with no basic technical knowledge.
  33. 0
    April 4 2023 23: 28
    For some reason, our angry patriots are sure that the goal of the SVO is the defeat of Ukraine, although this is NATO's Avatar, which will die within a few months after the power is turned off. The goal of the SVO is the defeat of NATO, not the transformation of Ukraine into ruins. That is why no one is in a hurry to mobilize and intensify military operations in the process of the SVO. As far as I understand, real super efforts are being made in the area of ​​strategic weapons. And we learn that everything is ready for a fatal blow from the harsh ultimatum rhetoric of the Russian leadership. Otherwise, how can one explain the ostentatious calm of VVP? I can imagine how he wants to punch them all in the face. And put yourself in his place. Why can a person who was cruelly insulted be demonstratively calm? Only in two cases - either he is seizing a convenient moment to kill the offender or he is an ordinary idiot. VVP doesn't look much like an idiot. So, I hope we'll soon understand how Burevestnik is planned to be used and maybe even see how it works, unless of course the offender realizes his mistake and doesn't kneel in time. However, don't take these fantasies of a little man seriously.
    1. 0
      11 February 2024 11: 31
      In general, everything is known about the purpose of the SVO and a lot is said and written. It's strange that you passed by this!
  34. -1
    April 7 2023 21: 40
    Why Chernobyl and not "Flying Fokushima"?
    According to the super-duper, by definition, the best in the world American technology, the spent rods were stored in a pool ABOVE the reactor. And when the reactor exploded, and the 200-ton reactor lid flew 200 meters, simultaneously scattering the spent rods from the pool above the reactor for kilometers around, the Japanese screamed in horror, committed long-forgotten hara-kiri, and stopped ALL AMERICAN-MADE REACTORS on their territory, that is, ALL. But this is in Japan, this is American crap.... we can't talk about it, it's DIFFERENT... We must remember the Russian reactor, which Gorbachev's associates deliberately drove into an accident, after which NOT A SINGLE SUCH REACTOR was stopped, not only in the USSR, but also in the world, because no technical flaw was found. And in Japan ALL reactors were shut down because they pose a threat to life, just like Fukushima. And in Europe they are exactly the same, about 500 power units are waiting for their time, but... It's different there, there is no profit, there is pure American democracy. There is pure Marx's Capital.
  35. 0
    11 February 2024 11: 28
    In early October 2023, the Russian President, speaking at the plenary session of the XNUMXth meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club, announced that the latest test of the Burevestnik, a global-range cruise missile with a nuclear power plant and a nuclear propulsion system, was successful. The missile has not yet entered service, but this is most likely a matter of the near future.
  36. +2
    28 October 2025 05: 31
    Quote: "That is, if the Americans do not have similar weapons or are not capable of creating them in the foreseeable future, then we must also abandon them."
    ...Actually, the Americans were developing this atomic wonder weapon in the 60s. The project was on track, but it was abandoned due to its uselessness and environmental impact.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low-Altitude_Missile
    P.S. Another "hazelnut"? :)
    1. +1
      28 October 2025 22: 22
      And also due to the terrible high prices
  37. +2
    28 October 2025 05: 36
    Quote from usm5
    The goal of the SVO is the defeat of NATO, not the reduction of Ukraine to ruins.

    Stop trolling! :)))
  38. +2
    28 October 2025 05: 39
    Quote: Strannik_GO
    You need to hit now, and very hard ...

    What are you going to hit there with? :)))
  39. +4
    28 October 2025 06: 53
    So what, will the war end in a day with our victory? They were just like that after Oreshnik. What's next, just a bang and the whole world will crumble to dust? (C)
    1. +2
      28 October 2025 20: 40
      Now they'll be discussing and criticizing Burevestnik for a couple of months, once again trying to keep the uncomfortable topic of SVO to a minimum, and then Poseidon will come along and be discussed.
  40. +3
    28 October 2025 07: 03
    What is this "Miracle of the Great Manitou" that appeared on the pages of VO? belay He's spewing out categorical statements, just like Messing! He claims the Burevestnik engine is a pulsejet, not a turbojet! "What evidence do you have?" Or does this "comrade" think so? Like an artist who sees what others don't! The rest of his conclusions are "matching" the first! By the way, this "scholar" even introduces a "special" term - PuYaVRD! Instead of nuclear Pulsejet (or YaPuVRD)!
    1. +1
      28 October 2025 22: 18
      Why is there any kind of pulsation if nothing is burning?! Air simply enters the hot zone of the reactor, expands, and creates thrust. There are only two types of such engines: a ramjet (a ramjet) and a turbojet (a turbojet). In the case of a turbojet, the heated air, before exiting as a jet stream, simply spins a turbine, which spins a compressor, which draws in new air. Therefore, a nuclear turbojet will have higher thrust than a nuclear ramjet. And a nuclear pulsejet is an unknown creature invented by the author of this article.
      1. 0
        29 October 2025 08: 48
        Quote: futurohunter
        Why is there any pulsation there if nothing is burning there?

        I can't agree with you! The development of a nuclear pulsejet is entirely possible...after the development of a nuclear turbojet! "Physical principles" certainly allow it! The only question is: is such a nuclear pulsejet necessary? Because the flight characteristics would be inferior to those of a nuclear turbojet!
        1. 0
          29 October 2025 23: 26
          No need. And it won't work. Nothing burns in the reactor.
          1. 0
            30 October 2025 08: 49
            Quote: futurohunter
            There is nothing burning in the reactor.

            What does "it burns" and "it doesn't burn" have to do with it?! I realize you didn't look deeper into the matter! And that's your mistake! By the way, you should also read up on ion rocket "electric engines"! This will help you understand what's possible and what's not!
            1. 0
              30 October 2025 20: 06
              I knew about all these engines a little earlier than you and a little more. But you simply don't understand how a pulsejet works. Or a turbojet either. Otherwise, you wouldn't be reasoning like that.
              1. 0
                31 October 2025 08: 50
                I know how a pulsejet and a turbojet work. It seems that you don’t know (or don’t understand)!
                1. 0
                  31 October 2025 09: 52
                  So, if you know, explain how this nuclear-powered pulsejet engine can work?! Don't bother talking about turbojets—I've spent part of my life working on various aircraft engines.
                  1. 0
                    2 November 2025 16: 31
                    Quote: futurohunter
                    I spent part of my life on various aircraft engines

                    Then I'll be brief! Take a pulsejet diagram online...or better yet, two diagrams (one with a valve and one without...) of a pulsejet, and replace the combustion chamber in the diagrams with a heating chamber connected to a nuclear reactor...and you're done!
                    P.S. I couldn't answer right away...there was no internet because of the UAV danger!
                    1. 0
                      2 November 2025 17: 14
                      It won't work. I asked you to explain how it works. You didn't. Then I'll explain to you why it's crap.
                      In a conventional pulsejet, the valves are closed to allow the hot gases from the engine to escape through the nozzle, rather than creating drag. The temperature in the reactor is not high enough for the air to expand as much as during combustion of a fuel-air mixture.
                      Therefore, the airflow through the reactor must be constant. And to create enough thrust, a compressor is needed at the inlet. We get a nuclear turbojet instead of the obscure beast known as a "nuclear pulsejet."
                      But you didn’t have an answer and still don’t have one, and you don’t need excuses in the form of UAVs
                      1. 0
                        2 November 2025 19: 22
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        no need for excuses like UAVs

                        These are not excuses, but a fact...
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        We get a nuclear turbojet engine,

                        Damn! I also think that the so-called Burevestnik nuclear power plant is a turbojet! I've said this repeatedly on the pages of VO! But I also think a nuclear pulsejet is quite feasible! Just like a nuclear ramjet!

                        Quote: futurohunter
                        The temperature in the reactor is not so high that the air expands as much as during combustion of the fuel-air mixture.

                        We don't know the temperature in the Burevestnik engine's heating chamber! But scientists and engineers call this engine unique! And if "the temperature in the reactor isn't high enough for the air to expand as much as during combustion of the fuel-air mixture," then even with a nuclear turbojet, the Burevestnik wouldn't have achieved the performance reported for the Burevestnik! Incidentally, the temperature in the heating chamber of the American nuclear ramjet (Project Pluto?) reached such a value that a cruise missile with such an engine should reach high supersonic speeds of Mach 3!
                      2. 0
                        3 November 2025 22: 44
                        I believe that a nuclear pulsejet is also quite realistic!
                        Then explain how it can work! I've been persistently trying to get you to do this! And what the hell is that pulsing thing doing there!

                        Like a nuclear ramjet
                        The Americans made it for the Pluto rocket, but never tested it. Its only problem is that it might not have enough thrust.

                        "The temperature in the reactor is not that high... even with a nuclear turbojet engine, the Burevestnik would not have achieved the characteristics that are reported about the Burevestnik."
                        A nuclear turbojet is the only option. The compressor is what generates the thrust necessary for stable flight. Excessive heating of the reactor core would significantly reduce the engine's service life, and it would not achieve its stated performance.

                        By the way, the temperature in the heating chamber of the American nuclear ramjet reached such a value that... M=3!
                        It's unknown—the rocket never made it to flight testing. The project could be anything... Practice is like an ice shower, cooling even the hottest heads.
                      3. 0
                        6 November 2025 11: 17
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        The project can be anything.

                        So... about the projects! "Our projects" (i.e., modern Russia's)! The Burevestnik cruise missile, with its high, but subsonic, speed, is just the beginning! They're already starting to develop "nuclear" cruise missiles with supersonic speeds; and in the more distant future, hypersonic ones! This is about a "low-temperature" nuclear reactor that's incapable of powering a nuclear pulsejet! And by the way, I seem to recall that the Americans did manage to conduct bench tests of their nuclear ramjet! Something you apparently didn't know!
                      4. 0
                        6 November 2025 11: 27
                        Curb your enthusiasm! We know little about the Burevestnik. And we don't need this nuclear supersonic, let alone hypersonic, capability. There are too many problems associated with it. Research the topic and you'll find out.
                        You always confuse pulsejet and ramjet engines. It's like confusing cucumbers and tomatoes.
                        Regarding bench tests, these are not flight tests.

                        What you didn't seem to know
                        Sorry, but I know a little more than you.
                      5. 0
                        6 November 2025 14: 27
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Curb your enthusiasm!

                        This isn't my enthusiasm! But, you could say, it's the enthusiasm of Russia's main "party and government"!
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        We know little about the Petrel.

                        And I told you this when you stated that a nuclear reactor cannot create the same temperature of the working fluid as chemical fuel!
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        You always confuse pulsejet and ramjet.

                        Your statement is absolutely wrong! I know the principles of operation of rocket and jet engines!
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Regarding bench tests, these are not flight tests.

                        But this is a very significant “step” in the development of the “product”!
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Sorry, but I know a little more than you.

                        But your reasoning does not allow us to believe this!
                      6. 0
                        6 November 2025 17: 43
                        This isn't my enthusiasm! But, you could say, it's the enthusiasm of Russia's main "party and government"!
                        How do you know? Are you one of them? laughing

                        I know the principles of operation of rocket and jet engines
                        You still haven't explained how a nuclear pulsejet can work. Don't send me to the internet—explain it yourself. If you really know.

                        Regarding bench tests, these are not flight tests.
                        But this is a very significant "step" in the development of the "product"
                        Just one of the very first steps. Read about the development cycle of any product.

                        Your reasoning doesn't allow me to believe this.
                        I don't care what you believe in laughing
                      7. 0
                        7 November 2025 08: 31
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        The enthusiasm of the main "party and government" of Russia! How do you know? Are you one of them?

                        I'm not listed, but Putin himself told me about the supersonic and hypersonic "descendants" of the Burevestnik...
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        You still haven't explained how a nuclear pulsejet can work.

                        And I don't intend to! Because I consider your demand pointless; since "everything is" on the Internet!
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Just one of the very first steps.

                        Is the development of an "innovative" engine just the initial step? belay So why are they still fussing about the "second-stage engine" for the Su-57? And yet they claim the new engine will significantly improve the Su-57's performance characteristics!
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        I don't care what you believe in

                        As for me...to your complaints against me!
                      8. 0
                        7 November 2025 13: 52
                        Putin himself told me about the supersonic and hypersonic "descendants" of the Burevestnik...
                        He just walked up to you personally, shook your hand and said, looking straight at you?! laughing

                        You still haven't explained how a nuclear propellant jet can work.
                        I think your demand is pointless, because "everything is available" on the Internet.
                        That's the point, "it's not on the Internet")) And you yourself can't explain it... Then why do you insist? What's the point?

                        The development of an "innovative" engine is just the initial step
                        Let me remind you about the R&D cycle, which you're obviously unfamiliar with. Also, if an engine works, but on the ground, not in flight, and not on the product it's designed for, that doesn't mean it will work in flight, or work as intended. An engine is the most complex part of an aircraft, especially one as innovative as this. Aviation history is replete with examples of something working perfectly on the ground but "failing"!

                        So why are they still messing around with the "second stage engine" for the Su-57?
                        Because they can't get the characteristics from it that correspond to the second stage. Perhaps it's traction, or perhaps it's stability and reliability of operation.

                        without forgetting to state that with the new engine the performance characteristics of the Su-57 will be significantly improved
                        There's still hope. And there's marketing to attract investors to keep the project alive.

                        As for me...on your claims
                        Recourse to rudeness indicates weakness and a lack of argumentation, as well as a low level of general culture.

                        And where did you find the complaints? I just asked for an explanation. laughing You've stated that a nuclear pulsejet is possible. This is probably the tenth message I've written trying to get you to explain. If it's possible, how would it work? Instead, I see only evasions, emotional reactions, and recourse to the internet. This means you don't have an answer. Otherwise, you would have written one long ago.
                      9. 0
                        7 November 2025 18: 00
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Putin himself told me... He came right up to you, shook your hand and said, looking straight at you?!

                        Yes! Looking straight at me from the TV screen! He didn't shake my hand, but he said it to all Russians (!)... which means everyone... which means me personally too! Yes
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        That's the point, "it's not on the Internet"))

                        Comrade, what are you talking about now? belay What's wrong with you? what There is so much information about the PVRD on the Internet fellow No information! No information about nuclear pulsejet engines? But I never said there was anything online about nuclear pulsejet engines! But I said you take a pulsejet diagram from the internet... or better yet, two (!); i.e., a valved and a valveless pulsejet... and replace the combustion chamber with a heating chamber connected to a nuclear reactor!
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        As for me...to your complaints. The transition to rudeness speaks of weakness and lack of

                        No...you're obviously not feeling well! What are you talking about? belay You yourself said: I don't care what you believe in! And I answered you: just like me... I also don't care about your claims! So where is the rudeness in that? No. You are exaggerating something, it’s somehow not nice!
                      10. 0
                        7 November 2025 19: 18
                        He didn't shake hands, but he said this to all Russians.
                        Excuse me, but this is some kind of kindergarten...

                        I didn't say there was anything on the internet about nuclear pulsejet engines.
                        Finally! That's exactly what I was saying! There's no explanation for this mysterious object that no one has ever seen. laughing

                        replace the combustion chamber with a heating chamber connected to a nuclear reactor
                        From the fact that something is attached to the grandmother... (a mustache and a beard, for example laughing ), she will not become a grandfather.

                        Explain the duty cycle. What's the point of pulsating? It's clear why it's there in a classic ramjet. But why here? I haven't heard a single clear explanation. I even wrote why there aren't any. am

                        It's obvious he's not feeling well.
                        Look at yourself in the mirror... judging by the punctuation in your sentences...
                      11. 0
                        7 November 2025 21: 13
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Judging by the punctuation in the sentences...

                        Why are you so interested in my punctuation marks? request I am for freedom of expression in text! fellow
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Just because you add something to your grandmother (a mustache and a beard, for example), she won’t become a grandfather.

                        What are you even talking about!? Even in a nuclear turbojet engine (which you even admit!), the combustion chamber was replaced with a "heating chamber connected to the nuclear reactor"! laughing So why mention grandma? Maybe it's time to bring in auntie too? what
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        Why is there pulsation there?

                        Well, you yourself doubted one of the arguments—that the atmospheric air would quickly heat up to the required temperature in the heating chamber! So, we're not talking about a ramjet! No.
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        There is no explanation for this mysterious object that no one has ever seen.

                        I'm not trying to prove that a nuclear-powered pulsejet is a suitable engine for the Burevestnik! (I believe the Burevestnik has a turbojet!) But I did suggest that creating a nuclear-powered pulsejet is, in principle, possible, although it wouldn't be the best engine! (By the way, a certain "military expert" on one of the Russian TV channels claimed that the Burevestnik is equipped with a nuclear-powered pulsejet! wink )
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        He didn't shake my hand, but he said this to all Russians. Sorry, but this is some kind of kindergarten.

                        Well...then according to your canons, all of Russia is a kindergarten! laughing And the speeches of the "Supreme Commander-in-Chief of All Rus'" are worth listening to from time to time! Especially during those times when the information atmosphere is shaken by the rumblings of major news events! Yes
  41. 0
    28 October 2025 09: 17
    What is this, why is this?
  42. +3
    28 October 2025 09: 39
    Burevestniks, Poseidons, Sarmats, and Armatas—these are gigantic gambles embezzling budget funds!!! Efficient managers are pouring nonsense into the ears of an illiterate old man, and he's listening. Meanwhile, in the background, they're unscrewing, unscrewing, and unscrewing, looking around with concern...
    1. +4
      28 October 2025 10: 42
      Quote: Rooivalk
      Burevestniks, Poseidons, Sarmats, and Armatas are gigantic scams to embezzle budget funds!!!
      Even more interesting is the sale of raw materials and semi-finished products to enemies and the transfer of assets abroad. Wasn't that why the USSR was destroyed, and the West gave the newly minted billionaires "cookies" and "jam" in the coveted bourgeoisie?
      By the way, the comments above in the article are from 2023, how come...
    2. 0
      28 October 2025 19: 36
      The nuts on the weights fit perfectly.
    3. 0
      6 November 2025 11: 28
      One doesn't interfere with the other. Some honestly make Armata/Sarmat tanks, while others steal them. We hope that those who steal them will eventually receive their just retribution.
  43. 0
    28 October 2025 10: 25
    There's a key element in the process algorithms that ensure the rocket's flight efficiency as a launch vehicle, and it's interesting to see how this solution works. But it's worth noting that for a truly optimized process, this flight object must be of any shape, not just a crowbar—that's one thing. Furthermore, it's essential to have the technology to reverse the polarity of the object's body to prevent a long flight from leading to self-destruction. Another important aspect is that this object must possess all dynamic capabilities, from stopping in flight as a reference flight to accelerating and braking in flight and maneuvering to previously unachievable levels. In short, we're not talking about the rocket itself, but about the technology and its application possibilities.
  44. -4
    28 October 2025 10: 50
    Quote: Belisarius
    However, I am truly against the government that has been established in Russia since 1991 precisely because it is disastrous for the Russian state and the people.
    Hee, hee, instead of whining, just go into power yourself. Then you'll show everyone how to govern the people you care so much about.
    1. +2
      29 October 2025 21: 41
      — Instead of criticizing the government’s work, you could have just tried it yourself.
      - Okay, let me try.
      - Now this is already a call to overthrow the government.
  45. 0
    28 October 2025 11: 17
    The way an electromagnetic pulse is interrupted is crucial in electromagnetic power processes. Anyone who has studied Tesla's work will recognize this. But it's also crucial in the transitional moment of change in the quality of continuous media. I've spoken about this extensively before, and it will have implications for how to convert the kinetic energy of a flow into potential energy. This is crucial for the use of radioactive material in nuclear installations.
  46. -1
    28 October 2025 12: 57
    The author was so engrossed in describing the missile's stealth and inevitability that he overlooked a crucial point: the Purevestnik is extremely noisy, which, coupled with its low flight altitude, simply negates all efforts to conceal it. Imagine a Tu-154 flying directly over your roof. Detecting the Burevestnik with directional sound systems would be no problem at all...
    1. 0
      30 October 2025 20: 07
      The nuclear pulsejet is pointless and ineffective. The author simply doesn't understand what he's talking about.
  47. +1
    28 October 2025 13: 09
    There's no point in reading beyond this blizzard. The standard NATO airborne early warning aircraft, the E-3C/D/F/G AWACS, will detect a Tomahawk or Kalibr missile at a range of 240 to 320 km, depending on the target's angle and altitude. But the Burevestnik, if it's in the right place at the right time, will detect it at a range of 40 to 100 km (depending on the missile's actual RCS), and will immediately lose it. Western experts estimate the missile's RCS to be at the level of the Kh-101 and AGM-129A, ranging from 0,01 (flank projection) to 0,001 m2 (frontal projection). The missile will only briefly flash on the radar screen and disappear, leaving the operator with no choice but to mistake this splash for a flock of birds or a large wave. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack with a magnet, especially if you don't know where to look.
  48. -1
    28 October 2025 14: 44
    The best thing about articles like this is the comments.))) The Russian General Staff doesn't know what to do, but Taras or Ivan Pupkin certainly does! The funniest thing that periodically surfaces is attacks on the incompetence and dishonesty of Russia's leadership. Interestingly, those gifted with alternative wisdom know the concept of slander. These days, it's very easy to get jail time for such scribbling.
    1. 0
      29 October 2025 22: 01
      What scoundrels these slanderers are!
      Every patriot knows that the lack of communications and ammunition, the losses in armored vehicles to the point that T-54s were sent to the front, the exchange of Ukrainian citizen Medvedchuk for war criminals from Azov, and the territories of the Donetsk region that have not been liberated for four years – these are precisely the testament to the competence and integrity of the leadership.

      Conversation between two prisoners:
      - What are you sitting for?
      - Yes, I stole from the Ministry of Defense. And you?
      - And I criticized you.

      Nowadays it is very easy to increase the sentence for this kind of writing.
      This is a paradise for snitches...
  49. 0
    28 October 2025 16: 43
    Quote: agond
    The author writes about the alleged use of a nuclear-powered air-breathing jet engine (PUYAVRD) in the Burevestnik; for reference, even a conventional non-nuclear pulse jet engine has a very low specific impulse (the ratio of engine thrust to the mass flow rate of fuel and air) and, as a consequence, the lowest efficiency.

    A nuclear jet engine doesn't burn fuel, and it doesn't consume air to burn that fuel. Specific impulse should be incomparably higher than that of the best jet engines.
    The efficiency of, for example, detonation pulsejet engines can be quite high.
    1. -1
      28 October 2025 22: 23
      To get traction, you need to discard something, the school physics program.
    2. 0
      30 October 2025 20: 07
      A nuclear pulsejet is impossible
  50. -1
    28 October 2025 17: 22
    There will be no New Start.
    These agreements are dangerous. We lived through the COLD PEACE mostly without weapons agreements.
    Deterrence is based on uncertainty and maximum risk- once you have treaties uncertainty vanishes- bad for deterrence.
    Once deterrence is gone anarchy starts see after 1992....
    Today we have torture, assassinations, mass droning of people across the world, genozides starting with Ruanda, the Ukraine, Gaza,....
  51. +2
    28 October 2025 19: 01
    The Tu-95 with a nuclear power plant was tested 70 years ago. The project was closed as unpromising.
    1. 0
      30 October 2025 14: 46
      It's unpromising because there's residual heat generation after landing (2-1% of rated power), requiring some kind of heat-removal system. It's expensive. For a disposable gas turbine engine, this isn't an issue.
  52. +1
    28 October 2025 20: 22
    The "Burevestnik" thing is, of course, great, and uplifting for the country's population, which is preparing to "twist a new hole in the belt" that holds up its own pants in the coming year of 2026... The point is to defeat the Ukrainian Reich, and not stretch out this "pleasure" over a space and time comparable (in January 2026) to the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.... Although...
  53. +3
    28 October 2025 20: 34
    So, here's Russia's media response to the tomahawk threat, just like the hazelnut tree back in the day. It's a shame it's only for domestic consumption.
  54. -1
    28 October 2025 20: 53
    For the dreamers: there's no such thing as unlimited range or duration. The reactor simply evaporates the working fluid instead of burning fuel, and the range is determined by its fuel supply. Nothing else has been invented yet. Using a propeller powered by a micro-nuclear power plant is straight out of dieselpunk. A slightly higher range could be achieved by increasing the temperature, but this is limited both technically and by a significant increase in observability—even a primitive satellite will detect and trace a high-temperature heat signature in the most challenging conditions. It's simply possible to foist any wonder weapon on the current authorities, one that has no analogues or practical application.
    1. 0
      30 October 2025 14: 43
      Why is it evaporating? Why the hell? It's heating the air with the primary coolant.
    2. 0
      5 November 2025 09: 34
      It does not evaporate the working fluid. The working fluid is air. Satellites cannot look at every square meter of the earth's surface. There is a point
  55. +1
    29 October 2025 00: 33
    Quote from Avis
    For those who dream: there is no unlimited range or duration of flight; the reactor simply evaporates the working fluid instead of burning fuel, and the range is determined by its supply.

    Why is it necessary to carry a reserve of propellant? Is it prohibited to use atmospheric air as a propellant?
  56. +1
    29 October 2025 02: 33
    The Burevestnik can only be assessed in the context of a specific deployment scenario. If it's a first-strike weapon, that's one thing. However, an ICBM is better for a first strike.
    If this is a weapon of retaliation, then there is Perimeter.
    What remains is a political weapon with a secondary radioactive danger, primarily for itself during its development and use by the military.

    As for the Tu-141 launch in Croatia, it was most likely a test of a target converted into a cruise missile.
  57. +1
    29 October 2025 02: 38
    Quote: AC130 Ganship
    The Tu-95 with a nuclear power plant was tested 70 years ago. The project was closed as unpromising.

    The project was closed under pressure from TsAGI management, as it was considered potentially dangerous in the event of an accident or disaster involving the aircraft.
  58. +2
    29 October 2025 17: 34
    A new miracle weapon, and so on, depending on your tastes. It's funny, it brings back unpleasant associations with Germany in 1945. Back then, the entire Reich was waiting for a miracle weapon that could stop the Bolshevik hordes. We know the outcome: our victorious soldier signed the Reichstag. Neither the Storm Petrels nor the Hazelnuts decide the course of this campaign; it's our soldiers and officers on the Ukrainian battlefields who decide it. They need more ammunition, grenades, shells, drones, communications equipment, equipment, and weapons.
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      0
      1 November 2025 11: 14
      Quote from: odisey3000
      Neither the petrels nor the hazelnuts decide the course of this company

      Some general once said that the best air defense is our tanks at an enemy airfield. If in March 2022 our tanks had been roaring through the streets of Kyiv and planes were circling above, the right captions would have appeared in the right places instantly. But... we were deceived. Although... only one person knows what really happened there, and he won't tell anyone. And yet, we see the result: enemies are all around, we're scaring the whole world with hazelnuts, petrels, and Poseidons... Is this really how this person envisioned the future?
  59. +1
    29 October 2025 19: 00
    So we also have "Oreshnik." And "Poseidon." It's time to use something. Stop pushing back "red lines." It's no use anyway. It's the opposite effect. The Euro-scum is getting even more brazen. There's an American aircraft carrier hanging around off the coast of Venezuela, isn't it? A good target. We can "stir them up." And then say it was the Venezuelans (or some unknown Houthis) "warming up." And we have nothing to do with it. And see what the reaction is.
  60. 0
    30 October 2025 14: 41
    Given the density of the American satellite constellation and the Aegis system, detecting a 10-meter missile moving relatively slowly over the ocean does not seem particularly difficult, much less shooting it down.
  61. -1
    30 October 2025 17: 25
    Quote: The Meaning of Life
    — Instead of criticizing the government’s work, you could have just tried it yourself.
    - Okay, let me try.
    - Now this is already a call to overthrow the government.

    65 people have officially expressed their desire to "try it out" in response to Putin's initiative in 2024. And the elections are just a year away. I wonder how many of them will be allowed to participate?
  62. 0
    31 October 2025 23: 30
    Everything is flying, I guess... In someone's heads...
  63. 0
    1 November 2025 04: 03
    I agree with the first comment. While they're creating "no analogs," there's a shortage of simple weapons. There aren't even enough machine guns.
  64. 0
    1 November 2025 10: 46
    Poseidons and petrels are expensive, rare and inconvenient weapons.
    It's much easier to deploy Tsar Bombas on conventional kamikaze surface ships cruising along the US coast. For a 100-megaton bomb, 10 miles to New York City isn't far. Plus, there are no size or weight restrictions. Maybe they could be made without tritium...
  65. 0
    1 November 2025 16: 13
    Frankly, given the coastal location of US cities and our commitment to a retaliatory strike only, we don't need all these missile defense penetration missiles and Poseidons. By the time the retaliatory missiles arrive, the US bases will already be clear of them. Therefore, expensive super-missiles are no longer necessary; retaliation can be achieved much more cheaply. It would be sufficient to deploy a dozen kamikaze ships carrying 100-megaton bombs near the US coast. The bomb would detonate automatically if the ship is attacked or if Russia is attacked.
    With no size or weight restrictions, these bombs can even be made without tritium, making them cheaper and ensuring a shelf life of decades.
    1. 0
      5 November 2025 09: 36
      That's debatable. No one has tested whether there will be a tsunami, and the US isn't limited to coastal cities. There's no tritium in hydrogen bombs. They'll sink ships. The water will absorb the neutrons, and there won't be an explosion. It's easier to use a petrel.