Strategic Missile Forces continue to be replenished with equipment for covering up traces

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Next year, the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) will receive a new batch of special equipment - engineering and masking machines (MIOM). These machines are able to imitate mobile missile systems and roll false traces, according to Interfax, citing the official representative of the Strategic Missile Forces, Vadim Koval. The deliveries of the MIOM to the RVSN were fully completed at the Teikov missile compound, it is assumed that in the future these machines will be put into service in the Novosibirsk and Irkutsk missile formations in the process of their re-equipment to modern missile systems.

As representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Russia explained, new machines allow to distort real traces and roll fake to false objects and positions, and also allow to hide the movement of rocket complexes in their field positions. The presence in these units of the Strategic Missile Forces of these engineering support and camouflage machines, contributes to the strengthening of the defense and protection of objects, and also increases the protection of weapons, military equipment and personnel from the means of destruction of a potential enemy.
Strategic Missile Forces continue to be replenished with equipment for covering up traces

The MIOM 15М69 is designed for a crew of 7 people and can be used to perform tasks both independently and in conjunction with the Topol-M and Yars mobile missile systems. Each such vehicle is equipped with a special set of graders for imposing false traces, as well as containers that perform the role of visual and, more importantly, thermal imitation of regular rocket launchers. Each of these machines is able to mimic the 1 division of 6 ballistic missile launchers.

Currently, the process of re-equipping the Strategic Missile Forces with the most modern and effective military equipment continues in Russia. According to Vadim Koval, in 2012, troops received approximately 20 units of engineering equipment, as well as 45 tons of various engineering assets. So, in particular, the Teikov division of the Strategic Missile Forces in 2012 was replenished with the 6 machine engineering and camouflage machines. In addition, as of September 2012, the Strategic Missile Forces на were equipped with modern Topol-M and Yars missile systems with new intercontinental ballistic missiles belonging to the X-Numx generation of the RT-5PM2 and PC-2.

In addition, by the end of 2012, the troops are expected to supply more 40 units of engineering equipment, which will allow up to 98% to increase the supply of military units of the Strategic Missile Forces with various means of engineering weapons. The engineering vehicles supplied to the Strategic Missile Forces include overlayers on a wheeled tractor, bulldozers on an army tractor, universal mine-barriers, excavators, bulldozers, automobile cranes, shelf excavators, sawmills, and various electrical equipment.

MIOM 15M69

An engineering and disguise machine (MIOM) is intended for the implementation of the tasks of disguise and engineering support of the missile complex as a whole, or its individual elements in the process of combat duty on field positions, their change, as well as on combat patrol routes. The introduction of these engineering machines into the structure of the combat units of the Strategic Missile Forces contributes to the accomplishment of such tasks as engineering reconnaissance of field positions and combat patrol routes, including checking the size of the routes and platforms, evaluating the bearing capacity of their ground bases, and, if necessary, restoring sites and routes or broadening them . With the help of MIOM, it is possible to carry out mine clearance and engineering reconnaissance of mine-explosive obstacles; loosening debris; clearing of roads at field positions of launch complexes and their planning.

In addition, the MIOM 15М69 is used to perform engineering tasks for imitation and masking, locating aggregates and slope terrain using the navigation system, determining the carrying capacity of bridges located on the combat patrol routes using a measurement system to check the status of permanent bridges. The machine can also be used to conduct chemical and radiation reconnaissance and perform a number of other tasks.

Imitation and masking tools of the MIOM 15М69 complex make it possible to carry out measures to imitate and hide rocket complexes in field positions, as well as distort the motion trails of launchers, including rolling tracks to false objects and positions, which is especially important when you consider what is the significance of hiding the true location of mobile missile systems. The hidden deployment of mobile missile systems allows you to protect them from possible destruction even before the launch of ballistic missiles.

Functional purpose of MIOM 15М69:

- preparation of terrain for field positions PGRK and engineering reconnaissance of patrol routes;
- installation of false PGRK on the ground;
- masking deployed on the ground PGRK;
- camouflage traces following PGRK along country roads.

The complex is based on the chassis MZKT-7930 "Astrologer". A prototype of a special wheeled chassis with the formula 8х8 was developed at the Minsk plant of wheel tractors in the 1994 year. This chassis was created in the framework of the ROC "Astrologer" even according to a Soviet technical task, issued by the USSR Ministry of Defense and approved in December 1989 of the year. The chassis was supposed to replace the special vehicle MAZ-543 and had a three-seater cabin with improved ergonomics.

On the basis of the new chassis it was planned to place a wide range of weapons. Today, on the chassis of the "Astrologer" is placed such a modern weapon as OTRK Iskander, coastal anti-ship complex Bal-E with anti-ship missiles X-35 Uranus or BSRK Bastion with Yakhont missiles. This chassis is also suitable for the placement of the MLRS and air defense systems, combat control systems, in all, it has become a base for about 100 various solutions. The chassis has excellent maneuverability, and its carrying capacity is 24 tons.

The crew of the engineering and masking machine 15М69 consists of 7 people, the machine autonomy is up to 3-days.

Equipment included in MIOM 15М69:

- habitable module for the crew of the car;
- module with a diesel generator manufactured by CJSC Moscow Projector Plant;
- grader device located at the rear of the machine - designed for masking traces of equipment on dirt roads;
- 6 containers Ц45-69 - presumably, each of these containers is a simulator of STC or AAP PGRK. In this way, a false rocket battalion in the amount of 6 SPU on the ground is achieved with the implementation of imitation of their thermal image.
- sliding overall framework for the verification of the possibility of movement of the overall SPU PGRK along routes that were not prepared in advance;
- crane for working with containers;
- equipment for assessing the load-carrying capacity of automobile bridges and the carrying capacity of the soil (using the angle measurement sensor determines whether the unit is allowed to pass by measuring the tilt angle of the beams).

Electrical equipment and command devices are manufactured by JSC Azov Optical-Mechanical Plant.

It should be noted that this engineering technology is simply necessary for rocket men. She began to enter the Teikov division in 2009. The emergence of such machines in the army led to the introduction of new methods of imitation and concealment, used by personnel carrying combat duty on mobile missile systems. The use of engineering and disguise machines made it possible to reduce the human labor costs that were used to complete the tasks assigned to this engineering machine almost 10 times.

Information sources:
-http: //lenta.ru/news/2012/11/15/falsetrail
-http: //militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-696.html
-http: //www.russianarms.ru/forum
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  1. Brother Sarych
    -27
    16 November 2012 08: 52
    It’s great - instead of new missile launchers - a sweeping machine! You look, there will be only one division - and hell will find him adversary in the vast expanses of Russia!
    And in bank documents, they also notice traces?
    1. +9
      16 November 2012 08: 58
      You are either a stupid person, sorry, or a provocateur! A person living in Uzbekistan, talks about what is happening in Russia with the knowledge of a specialist ... He was everywhere, tried everything, participated everywhere ... And this applies to almost all of your comments.
      1. Brother Sarych
        -15
        16 November 2012 09: 05
        Well, what have I written?
        There was even a TV show about these machines, where they demonstrated their capabilities - maybe they are capable of "covering their tracks", but it is unlikely to actually increase combat readiness!
        1. +8
          16 November 2012 11: 30
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          There was even a TV show about these machines, where they demonstrated their capabilities - maybe they are capable of "covering their tracks", but it is unlikely to actually increase combat readiness!


          This is an indispensable thing in terms of engineering and intelligence. In my time, for these purposes, there was a MIOBD (not to be confused with the MOBD) based on the URAL-4320 with a tarpaulin top. It was equipped with a crane manipulator with a set of reinforced concrete or metal plates to enhance the stability of the APU on quick-moving soils (supporting, gauge, entry). manual and hydraulic penetrometers (device for measuring soil consistency)
          mine detector, standard mine clearance kit (KRI). And all perhaps (the rest is a trifle spade landmarks, pointers). But the question of imitation and disguise was not discussed at all, the Stone Age, as they like to say now. It's great that such UNIVERSAL COMPLEXES appeared. With such complexes of engineering support, combat readiness increases significantly compared to what it was before. That was MIOBD, the universal workhorse.
          1. Pixel
            0
            17 November 2012 09: 03
            I’m embarrassed to ask what’s the MIOBD plate? It is about sweeping traces of mrsha of a missile battalion or regiment.
        2. Denzel13
          +2
          16 November 2012 17: 13
          That is, concealment of real positions, that is, camouflage, clearance, etc. does not increase combat readiness?

          A severe case of misunderstanding the basics of tactics.
          1. Brother Sarych
            -8
            16 November 2012 18: 00
            For me, the key in the article was - only a quarter of new missiles, as well as simple new trucks, should ultimately contribute to increased combat readiness ...
            1. Denzel13
              0
              16 November 2012 18: 38
              Contradict yourself.
              1. Brother Sarych
                -6
                16 November 2012 19: 02
                There is no contradiction, you need to read, not think out!
                How did the conversation start? With the fact that instead of new launchers machines for "covering traces"! This is how we can agree that the new buckets in the unit will significantly increase the combat readiness ...
                1. Denzel13
                  +1
                  16 November 2012 19: 22
                  Read the basics of tactics at your leisure, and it does not matter for what kind of troops there will be educational literature, a lot has been said about "covering up the tracks".
                2. Misantrop
                  0
                  23 January 2013 00: 06
                  Quote: Brother Sarich
                  instead of new launchers for "covering tracks"

                  Not "instead", but in addition. To use equipment, and not with a shovel, to tear the ridge when equipping positions. What is the main thing that heaps of false
            2. +5
              16 November 2012 18: 59
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              For me, the key in the article was - only a quarter of new missiles, as well as simple new trucks, should ultimately contribute to increased combat readiness ...


              With the appearance in the late 70s - early 80s of the twentieth century. threats of enemy influence on the Strategic Missile Forces from the air, including high-precision weapons, the troops began to take measures to hide the true location of the main elements of the combat launching positions and install false elements using heat simulators, prototypes of building elements. In addition, in the interests of ensuring the survivability of the troops, camouflage measures are being taken to hide their withdrawal and deployment in field regions.
              It doesn’t matter how many old and new missiles in percentage terms, the main thing is their need to be protected from new threats.
              The appearance in the Strategic Missile Forces of compounds armed with mobile ground missile systems predetermined the need to solve a number of new tasks:
              operational camouflage - hiding areas (routes) of military patrols, maneuvering of missile units, subunits, etc. ., misinformation, cover legend
              tactical disguise - hiding units in field positions, device and imitation of the functioning of false positions. That's what MIOM is intended for and not only that. This includes everything that is directly related to equipment and L / C as well as PP equipment.
              There is such a thing increase survivability which means increasing the ability to perform a combat mission, that is, combat readiness.
              We had a case, Adversaries managed to recruit a soldier of a cook in the officer’s canteen, He passed them a menu layout from where they extracted information about the composition of the military unit, what mode the unit is in, etc.
              1. Brother Sarych
                -3
                16 November 2012 21: 45
                Do not hold me for an idiot!
                Will you strike back with "track-sweepers" or something else?
                And I forgot about the inflatable prodigy - they probably ...
          2. +1
            16 November 2012 18: 44
            Denzel13,
            Sorry, accidentally blurted out a minus. Corrected by rating increase
            1. Denzel13
              0
              16 November 2012 19: 00
              Stanislav, good evening, but the cons are empty. I was simply outraged by the very formulation of the idea of ​​the futility of these machines - it turns out following Sarych’s logic, any technique if it does not cause direct damage to the enemy is useless.
              1. +3
                16 November 2012 19: 52
                Quote: Denzel13
                Stanislav, good evening, but the cons are empty. I was simply outraged by the very formulation of the idea of ​​the futility of these machines - it turns out following Sarych’s logic, any technique if it does not cause direct damage to the enemy is useless.


                Yes, it’s just that a person never manually cleared a clearing in the woods under the pockets for an APU like I did in 1986. and potbelly stoves did not set as infrared imitators
                1. Denzel13
                  0
                  16 November 2012 20: 15
                  Well, clearing manually is a strong topic.
                  1. +3
                    16 November 2012 20: 53
                    Quote: Denzel13



                    Seriously, this was the case when a new then PGRK "Topol" was put on the DB for the 70th anniversary of the Great October Revolution, there were not enough standard equipment and the positions of the tueva huch and all by morning so that
              2. Brother Sarych
                -3
                16 November 2012 21: 42
                No one wrote that this technique is useless!
        3. Heccrbq
          0
          22 January 2013 23: 37
          The ability to be more secretive and invisible ---- is not this an increase in combat readiness?
      2. Brother Sarych
        -1
        16 November 2012 09: 45
        Have you noticed how, in principle, narrow to those on which I write?
        So there is no need to talk about omniscience, another thing is that I write "against the grain" in many cases, so my comments are remembered ...
        1. +2
          16 November 2012 09: 58
          and you did not try to write about your bureaucrats and on your forums?
          why are you all sucking into Russia with your charter! got
          We will figure out what, where and from whom to buy!
        2. Denzel13
          0
          16 November 2012 17: 22
          So the main motive to remember?
          1. Brother Sarych
            -2
            16 November 2012 18: 02
            This is a side effect ...
        3. -2
          16 November 2012 21: 07
          In this matter, I am on the side of Bratts Sarych or Srach, as it will be more correct there ... You will not hide the new position of the location of these "mobile" complexes with any tracers. Let me remind those who may not be aware that today a probable enemy has radar satellite systems for scanning the earth's surface, the accuracy of which is less than 50 cm in height and orizontal ... What traces what kind of sweeping will help you if after the next flight of such a satellite over the area of ​​concentration of these "mobile" complexes all (!) they are in full view ... It's funny to read these empty attempts of amateurs ... By the way, these satellites "see" and through the clouds and rain snow is not a hindrance to them ... Forward and with songs - mask the tracks and further ... laugh at her God ...
      3. -10
        16 November 2012 11: 04
        Quote: Smirnov Vadim
        You or a stupid person, sorry, or a provocateur!

        For once, I agree with Sarych. Against the background of general technical hunger, such news is not painfully encouraging. It would be something to mask ...
        Oh sorry. Something I, too, with my Moldavian snout and in the elite ranks ...
        1. +3
          16 November 2012 11: 22
          And who told you that there is nothing to mask? This is the first.
          Secondly - the message was not addressed to you, so you should not jerk. To whom is addressed he understood what it was about.
          1. -1
            16 November 2012 11: 34
            Quote: Smirnov Vadim
            Secondly - the message was not addressed to you, so do not scuffle. To whom it is addressed he understood what it was about.

            Goodsch General Lieutenant, sorry. Bes beguiled.
            Well, I do not accept such statements not only to myself, but also to anyone else. Badly brought up, apparently. Or seen enough and heard enough of the Romanoids here, or something ... Nerves are losing. So I am frustrated by good people.
            Allow me to contact you in all form?
        2. +9
          16 November 2012 13: 29
          Well what nonsense, sorry. You at least read the article. Well, it’s clear that Sarych read only the title and immediately unsubscribed in order to be the first. And you there too. Disguise is just one of the many functions of this technique. This is an ENGINEERING machine. The article lists most of its functions. And the disguise there is one of many. The engineering support of rocket technology (I say this as an old rocket man) is an important part of the combat readiness of the missile forces. Therefore, let me consider your comments with Syrikom, at best, as incompetent.
          1. Brother Sarych
            -1
            16 November 2012 14: 02
            But where can we contact the pros - we only read the headers!
            And about the fact that the indicated division is equipped with only a quarter of modern missiles? Something from engineering machines, if there are problems with the main weapons?
    2. +12
      16 November 2012 09: 25
      Here you are wrong. Poplar and Yars cars are large and very vulnerable when detected. So it’s very good that they think about their secretive movement, moreover, not only hide under the Christmas trees, and mislead the enemy. A very useful thing when used correctly.
    3. +15
      16 November 2012 09: 36
      Such a technique is needed. In the late 80s, after leaving the position, we left a props with corner reflectors - imitation of dimensions and stoves with stoves - heat radiation. Finally, this hemorrhage will end. In the courtyard of the 21st century.
      Well done.
    4. 0
      16 November 2012 21: 46
      On this occasion, anecdote; "Why did the Germans not enter the Penza region? Yes, because when they approached the border of the Penza region, they saw that everything around was ridden with tank tracks, they got scared and turned back, and the Penzians trampled everything down with bast shoes!" I myself have a wife from Penza, and I really respect you, hardworking and kind people.
  2. +1
    16 November 2012 08: 53
    The wise thing! Offset.
    And deceive, and outwit, and learn a lot of things ...
  3. +4
    16 November 2012 08: 56
    Quote: Brother Sarich
    You look, there will be only one division - and hell will find him adversary in the vast expanses of Russia!
    -
    "Fight not by number, but by skill"
    A.V. Suvorov
    1. Brother Sarych
      -11
      16 November 2012 09: 05
      "Big battalions are winning" - it seems that Napoleon said ...
      1. +16
        16 November 2012 09: 08
        Quote: Brother Sarich

        "Big Battalions Win"

        All his large battalions in the Russian land lie hi
      2. +10
        16 November 2012 09: 30
        Brother Sarych Today, 09:05 ↑ 0
        "Big battalions are winning" - it seems that Napoleon said ...

        "God is always on the side of the big battalions." Erroneously attributed to Napoleon. Words of the French Marshal of the XVII p. Jacques d'Estamp de Ferté. The expression owes its popularity to King Frederick II the Great (1712-1786), who often repeated these words.

        "God is not on the side of large battalions, but on the side of well-aimed shooters" - Voltaire.
      3. +4
        16 November 2012 10: 51
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        "Big battalions are winning" - it seems that Napoleon said ...

        History proved that Kutuzov was right!
        1. Brother Sarych
          -5
          16 November 2012 13: 05
          If about the statement, then the source turned out to be right after all, be it the French Marshal, Frederick or Napoleon!
      4. +1
        16 November 2012 13: 32
        "Napoleon said" - and left almost his entire huge army in the fields of Russia, and he miraculously escaped captivity.
      5. Denzel13
        +2
        16 November 2012 17: 24
        And where are they those Napoleonic battalions?
    2. -1
      16 November 2012 11: 01
      Quote: lelikas
      "Fight not by number, but by skill"
      A.V. Suvorov

      Lelikas,
      with all due respect to the words and deeds of this Great Man ...
      Well, we don’t have Suvorov now !!! Need desperately, but no!
      Yes, it is probably for the best for the late Alexander Vasilievich.
      1. Cosmonaut
        +1
        16 November 2012 18: 54
        Such people appear during the war.
        1. Denzel13
          +1
          16 November 2012 19: 02
          Yes, in peacetime they are not very "convenient", since they usually have a different opinion from the leadership on issues of combat training and use.
  4. SenyaYa
    -13
    16 November 2012 08: 56
    Roll false traces ??? Ahahaha ... companions in SHOCK!
    1. +4
      16 November 2012 09: 10
      Satellites cannot monitor movements for 24 hours a day; they do not hang motionless above one point. And even in 30 minutes at a cruising speed of 20-30 km per hour, the same MZKT-79221 will go to 12 km. And this is 452 sq. Km in search of him, but what if I have an hour of satellite over me?
      1. Captain Vrungel
        -4
        16 November 2012 10: 34
        There are geostationary satellites that hang over one point all 24 hours a day.
        1. +5
          16 November 2012 10: 46
          There are of course, but they are not very suitable for Russian intelligence, since being above the equator it is difficult to monitor our territory.
        2. +1
          16 November 2012 13: 37
          This is not for tracking our missiles.
        3. +2
          16 November 2012 14: 37
          They hang over the equator, and the equator is far from Russia.
      2. +7
        16 November 2012 13: 36
        Moreover, urzul. The time of flight of specific satellites over a specific territory is well known. And on this score in the RV there are even certain "plates" that hang over the workplaces of those who need to know. Therefore, in the period between the passage of the satellite, it is not bad enough to roll a false track. There will be something to work on for the Americans.
        1. 0
          16 November 2012 21: 33
          Quote: ikrut
          And on this score in the RV there are even certain "plates" that hang over the workplaces of those who need to know.

          Previously, in ordinary units, the operational duty officer had such "plates" in the documentation ..
    2. +9
      16 November 2012 12: 27
      Quote: SenyaYA
      Roll false traces ??? Ahahaha ... companions in SHOCK!


      In reality, it looks something like this. No wonder McFall suggested drawing circles at APU

      1. Valboro
        -4
        16 November 2012 16: 50
        Thanks for the picture. In the 80s they would have given a lot for such visibility. But in fact, know: in those years, a large research was conducted to detect PGRK from space by SOVIET satellites (i.e., the system is WORSE worse than the American one). PU was determined in the visible range by our operators with a probability of 0.8 - 0.9. When converted to Americans (of that period), an integrated surveillance system (visible, infrared and radar decimeter ranges) this probability was estimated at 0.8 - 0.85 with a frequency of 15 minutes. The coagulation time of the complex is known. And the area of ​​destruction does not increase in radius, but in PART of roads, only those that can withstand the launcher. And with a long observation, our operators calculated the entire PR and positions for 10-15 observations.
        All this also applies to the BZHRK, so beloved by the "patriots"
        To this I will add: the Americans did not make mobile systems at all because they could not create them. They had dozens of projects, for example, "Racetrack", but rejected them as not fulfilling their task.
        1. +4
          16 November 2012 20: 03
          Quote: ValBORO
          And the area of ​​destruction does not increase in radius, but in PART of roads, only those that can withstand the launcher. And with a long observation, our operators calculated the entire PR and positions for 10-15 observations


          Training positions and training PR that really occupied the shelves and training IBE
          perhaps. But it’s not BATTLE who never practiced and kept secret. For example, each group had 3-4 PUBSP and several (how many I will not say) PBSP.
          And the combat position is not something that is pre-equipped, but on the contrary a completely unpredictable place, let's say a concrete dance floor in a pioneer camp or a village outskirts, respectively, and the routes to them are completely different and not the ones on which we constantly made marches from year to year. Here and satellites were not needed. The entire surrounding population knew about what and where it was. Moreover, any PR rd is a huge territory that includes the territories of several regions. So well done, let them continue to figure out the cat in the bag
          1. +2
            16 November 2012 20: 50
            It is believed that improving the all-weather space reconnaissance system in the United States will completely depreciate the mobility effect of domestic PGRK. But these statements, in our opinion, are declarative in nature. To confirm them, it is necessary to conduct comprehensive research and show that such a system will allow to hit all mobile MKR in a time not exceeding the duration of an impact on stationary MKR. Otherwise, actions on PGRK lose their meaning in view of the withdrawal of mobile MKR from under the impact of the IOS with conventional equipment according to information about the launched strikes on the silos.
            In addition, the results of attacks on the PGRK are difficult to control to establish how much MKR is actually affected. To do this, you need to be sure that it is the PGRC that is affected, and not the layout or a completely different object.

            From the article No need for anti-aircraft missile cover of the Strategic Missile Forces
            Article here
            1. -2
              16 November 2012 21: 54
              "But these statements, in our opinion, are declarative in nature."

              That's when the Americans burn all these complexes with guaranteed low-precision but very powerful warheads (one per regiment or even a brigade) then these guys with such bravura statements will no longer ask their opinions ...
          2. -6
            16 November 2012 21: 48
            Oddly enough, they will calculate ... And most importantly, all (!) These "grave" complexes are destroyed by one (!) Powerful bomb and no accuracy is needed ... Easily and simply threw a couple of megatons into the RANS concentration and you don't even have to check - that's all will burn like gunpowder ... So mobile systems are a major step back in the country's defense power ...
        2. +5
          16 November 2012 21: 41
          Quote: ValBORO
          To this I will add: the Americans did not make mobile systems at all because they could not create them. They had dozens of projects, for example, "Racetrack", but rejected them as not fulfilling their task.


          The question is backfill: in which year and why did the US refuse to continue developing the MX-based missiles?

          The first train was to stand on combat duty in December 1992. During the development of the military railway complex (BZHRK), the Americans faced a number of technical and organizational problems, but then the Soviet leadership unexpectedly helped them, agreeing to the signing of the START-1991 offensive arms reduction treaty in July 1, according to which the number of Soviet heavy ICBMs was significantly reduced, and already deployed Soviet BZHRK stopped combat duty on the country's highways, getting up on stationary duty in the bases. After that, work on promising US strategic missile systems ("Peacekeeper Rail Garrison" and "Midgetman") sharply slowed down, and in January 1992, both programs were finally closed.
          But an analysis of the information materials of those years allows us to conclude that the manufacture of even a prototype of the American BZHRK and its full-scale tests were far from complete. So, the only missile test launch from the railway launcher did not take place for technical reasons and was replaced by a throw test... In this regard, a solution to the problem of diverting the jet stream from the launch car when starting the main engine of the rocket after its ejection from the container is not visible. It was noted that the MX missile was developed for a silo-based version, it was not modified and did not have the missile tilt engines after launch. This could lead to a fire and damage to the launch car and the railway section of the track. The definition of the composition, appearance and requirements for the objects of the permanent basing points of the BZHRK and the railway infrastructure was stopped at the stage of preliminary design. Variants of dispersal and combat patrols using an experienced BZHRK on a real railway network have not been developed. It was not possible to create high-precision systems for navigational support of the BZHRK and aiming missiles in preparing launches from any suitable sections of railways For the same reason, they cannot create a PGRK. There were no complex resource and transport tests of the BZHRK with the MX missile with the output to the railways and the development of combat training missions. The behavior of the rocket under real shock and vibration conditions has not been evaluated. The problem of creating a centralized control system for combat patrolling of the BZHRK on the US railways, which were in the hands of private companies, was not resolved.
          It is not surprising that the main efforts of Washington were aimed at restricting the functioning and subsequent elimination of domestic BZHRK
          My webpage
          1. Valboro
            -3
            16 November 2012 22: 55
            Fortunately, you are wrong. You confuse the R&D work carried out by various companies on request, mainly RAND Corporation, in substantiating the prospects for the development of strategic nuclear forces. Just the conclusions of these works showed that the SSBN solves the problem of retaliation by criteria of efficiency-cost. All land mobile complexes were already determined by the American KR. And they understood that we would reach the same level, albeit with a delay.
            By the way, about the launch with the BZHRK. It was a platform and GMM cast tests were PLANNED.
            Also, I think you know that due to the significant overload of our BZHRK, in PR we had to completely change the rail tracks to R-60, but this was not required in the USA.
            And further. Our operators from the 6th institute identified our BZHRK from 6-7 images.
            1. +1
              17 November 2012 00: 09
              Quote: ValBORO
              By the way, about the launch with the BZHRK. It was a platform and GMM cast tests were PLANNED.

              Not at all, If you do not go into details, then the launch of our product looked like this
              Having gained a small height, the “Scalpel” seemed to freeze and deviate to the side (this made it possible to divert the jet of the mid-flight engine from the starting mechanism and the railway track, thereby preventing their damage) and only after that went to the target. But the Americans did not succeed in achieving such an algorithm, which was written in the previous article.
              Pay attention to the stream at 1; 19 in the video. This is the whole trick. In 1984, my father was a member of the state commission for testing and commissioning this complex.

    3. Filin
      +5
      16 November 2012 20: 40
      SenyaYa
      Roll false traces ??? Ahahaha ... companions in SHOCK!



      Do you know why there are sabotage groups for operations behind enemy lines ??
      For example, I argue from this position, since one of the tasks of the GRU special forces is to disable various launchers in enemy territory.
      But if the ETA engineering machine passes in the fresh footsteps of the launchers, and after it rains, then it will be problematic to determine what drove along the road and in which direction.
      Since the launcher division may be in the same area for a certain number of days, these camouflage measures are more than relevant
  5. borisst64
    0
    16 November 2012 09: 29
    And why not write about inflatable objects for a long time? It seems to be going to deliver them to the troops? Or was it a joke?
    1. +5
      16 November 2012 10: 51
      Quote: borisst64

      And why not write about inflatable objects for a long time?

      And what to write, everything is set hi
      1. -3
        16 November 2012 21: 59
        Delivered is delivered but the use of this ZERO. The goal is determined not only by the appearance, but also by many, many radiation parameters ... for example, in the infrared spectrum ... for example, radar transparency ... for example, the associated infrastructure .... Well, in general, these inflatable bullshit can inflate only the bosses, and the probable opponent believe me it’ll be very easy to deal with this ... unfortunately ...
      2. -1
        16 November 2012 22: 12
        The main thing is that they would then not be dropped on inflatable bombs.
    2. +3
      16 November 2012 12: 32
      Quote: borisst64
      And why not write about inflatable objects for a long time? It seems to be going to deliver them to the troops? Or was it a joke?


  6. +1
    16 November 2012 10: 24
    and me most liked nature, cool trees! I love forests!
  7. +2
    16 November 2012 10: 32
    Quote: borisst64
    And why not write about inflatable objects for a long time?


    Ahead ... laughing I believe that in Serdyukov’s bookkeeping, inflatable tractors would be more expensive than those discussed.
    By the way, I see, "uryakalki" have already licked their wounds and activated.
  8. cooper100
    +4
    16 November 2012 11: 14
    Good and necessary car. The main thing is that you would not have to use it in combat missions.
    1. sq
      +4
      16 November 2012 12: 55
      As soon as this machine left the park, its combat use begins.
      During the war, one complex saved due to props will bring more benefits than the regiment of combat installations destroyed by the enemy. Only less need to fuss about it.
      BOLTUN - A FIND FOR A SPY.
      This is true at all times.
    2. 0
      16 November 2012 21: 41
      Yes, missile launchers with the supply of modern technology have never been offended.
  9. toguns
    -3
    16 November 2012 16: 08
    sweeping tracks is certainly good, but what do we have with scanners, do they even have iron ????
  10. -5
    16 November 2012 20: 39
    At first, the stupidest concept of "mobile" missile systems was adopted, and now they do not know how to get out of this strategic (!) Stupidity ... They come up with dummy machines and other crap, you can tell right away that it will not help. Let me explain why. The very "mobility" of strategic complexes IMIMINATED! And simply because knowing where these complexes have a base - we outline a circle with a radius of a couple of hundred kilometers, that's all very small, by the way, there is a reason for their "mobility". Further, now the probable enemy is armed with satellites with radars, the accuracy of measuring the terrain, which is less than 0.5 m in height and along the surface. These satellites are not dependent on cloud weather and everything else. So, having scanned this small area of ​​200x200 km during the next flight, the satellite sees the places of the new deployment of these "grave" complexes. And since the protection of "mobile" complexes from damaging factors is practically zero, then the question of their destruction is simply a trifling matter - one pair of megaton bomb and everything that is covered in this area ... Further, the service life of these "mobile" complexes is very, very short with constant (otherwise they make no sense at all) displacements. The cost of maintenance for a run is higher than that of a mine, the lifetime of such a complex with constant movements is calculated in several years, instead of several decades of a mine. But once having accepted a stupid concept, the whole country became hostage to this stupidity ... And now it has to spend all new and new efforts so that this stupidity has at least some minimal effect, but apparently these efforts will also be wasted. If the idea is stupid, no amount of costs will make it effective ...
    1. Valboro
      -3
      16 November 2012 22: 44
      Except for inaccuracies in numbers, everything is correct. Exactly. Nadiradze, in close acquaintance with Ustinov, pushed this idea. And after that, the country pays for many years.
    2. 0
      18 November 2012 14: 07
      So long as he flies. After all, you can help him fall.
      Then what - with theodolite will crawl through our forests?
      1. 0
        18 November 2012 15: 15
        Do not forget that you are the defending side, and the time when they need information about the location of your machines is determined by THEY, not you. Are you going to CONSTANTLY bring down all of their companions? That's it ...
  11. Mikado
    0
    16 November 2012 21: 37
    Maybe not in the subject. There was one major in our school, he came from the GRU, a real vvshnik one might say. So, I don’t know why, they told the VSP to read it to us about radio stations. Esessno for him, a harsh practice, it did not give any pleasure at all, it was evident how he was tormented to explain a new topic, in a subject that he himself did not understand. Therefore, he had so many mistakes and cores that he even cried. And so he reads to us about the "tracks" from the radio station and declares - "Do you know why at medium-power radio stations the transmitter is carried 50 meters from the radio station itself? So that the nuclear bomb would not hit it by radiation, but only the transmitter."
  12. 0
    17 November 2012 13: 49
    In this matter, I am on the side of Bratts Sarych or Srach, as it will be more correct there ... You will not hide the new position of the location of these "mobile" complexes with any tracers. Let me remind those who may not be aware that today a probable enemy has radar satellite systems for scanning the earth's surface, the accuracy of which is less than 50 cm in height and orizontal ... What traces what kind of sweeping will help you if after the next flight of such a satellite over the area of ​​concentration of these "mobile" complexes all (!) they are in full view ... It's funny to read these empty attempts of amateurs ... By the way, these satellites "see" and through the clouds and rain snow is not a hindrance to them ... Forward and with songs - mask the tracks and further ... laugh at her God ...

    If the masking complex allows simulating the PGRA APU in the entire observation range, then how to distinguish it from the real one?
    Therefore, do not tell me if this tag were, as you write, military "amateurs" - the new SCRC would not be adopted for armament, but would focus on other complexes ...

    As for the enemy RDG - on the PBSP - it is really possible, and this is taken into account and measures are taken for their early "calculation" and destruction. For this, there are and are adopted special Plans, which in the vastness of the Internet are not accepted to write to serious people ...
    1. -1
      18 November 2012 00: 21
      What are the RDGs, what BSPs, what measures, what plans? As one of my military teachers said - "Don't make a smart face ... after all, you are an officer ..." So I would advise you not to make a smart "face", flaunt "smart" abbreviations and half-hints to pretend that YOU are what Something like that is known ... From this you do not look smarter, but on the contrary look childishly stupid. Whom and when you will be able to "calculate" in advance, and even more so "destroy" .... Do not amuse our potential readers if there are no real objections in essence ...
  13. +1
    17 November 2012 14: 30
    "Further, now the potential enemy has satellites with radars, the accuracy of measuring the terrain, which is less than 0.5 m in height and on the surface. These satellites are not dependent on the weather, clouds and everything else. So, having scanned this small area of ​​200x200 km at the next flying over, the satellite sees the places of the new deployment of these "grave" complexes. And since the protection of "mobile" complexes from damaging factors is practically zero, then the question of their destruction is simply a trifling matter - one pair of megaton bomb and everything that this wound has a cover ... Further, the service life of these "mobile" complexes is very, very short with constant (otherwise, there is no point in them at all) movements. The cost of maintenance is higher than that of mines, the lifetime of such a complex with constant movements is calculated in several years, instead of several decades of mining. But once having adopted a stupid concept, the whole country became hostage to this stupidity ... And now it has to to spend all new and new efforts, so that from this stupidity there was at least some minimum sense, but apparently these efforts will be wasted. If the idea is stupid, no amount of costs will make it effective "...

    Not otherwise, apologists for “heptile rockets” came or trolls ...
    They have no idea ...

    I have nothing against rocket engines, I myself served on them. Nevertheless, according to the principle “do not store all the eggs in one basket”, it’s like that: RYASCH - should be multifaceted, everyone has their place.
    And the fact that the accursed friend has nothing - let him be a headache. I remember the star general “nigga” lovingly stroking our APU during an inspection in one of the bases. When asked: “Choi?” He answered - “a worthy adversary, it’s a pity we couldn’t”;)

    PS: why do cunning Chinese also have PGRK, and where are the statistics on the destruction of Iraqi mobile Scuds before they "pulnul"? Try to answer reasonably, opponents of the PGRK ... And we will honor ...;)))

    "As soon as this vehicle leaves the park, its combat use begins."

    Colleague, these trolls don't know. that the PGRK can "pulnut" from the place of permanent deployment, i.e. from "Crown" :))) And carries the database both at the hospital and in the field ...;)))
    They were not given Instructions ...

    Quote: cooper100
    Good and necessary car. The main thing is that you would not have to use it in combat missions.


    A colleague, cooper100, these machines are always used when the PGRK is on the combat patrol route and even earlier ...
    They are "engineering and disguise" and rightly so! The more PGRK in the field - the stronger the world!
    1. -2
      18 November 2012 00: 06
      When there is nothing to argue, in essence, they recall the foreign word "trolls" ... But from whom and with what word you will call your real junk stronger ... But in essence, I already wrote about the "mobile" complexes their main drawback UNSECURITY and easy detection make them a waste of resources ...
      1. Misantrop
        0
        23 January 2013 00: 31
        Quote: I think so
        When there is nothing to object

        Is there a being to object to it? Well, if (even) they spotted areas, then what? For GUARANTEED destruction of launchers, megaton warheads are needed. And there are a limited number of them, especially in stationary protected positions. Will they be constantly redirected ?. And everything else - on the nuclear submarines and bombers. Which still need to contact the base somehow (and bombers - fly). And if the signal for use is simple to transmit, then target designation is orders of magnitude more complicated. Especially. in the face of opposition. You can forget about winged ones with a relief envelope right away - after the fall of the first warheads, the route laid in them will radically differ from the real one. And so it can go on for a long time. But is there any sense? Let them consider themselves cooler than boiled eggs, but we are calmer laughing
  14. Stasi.
    0
    17 November 2012 19: 30
    As Churchill said about camouflage and disinformation: "The truth has to be guarded by means of untruth." The presented car is good and contributes a lot to camouflage. The whole question is to what extent our methods and means of camouflage allow us to protect ourselves from the means of reconnaissance and detection that our potential adversaries have, because the more perfect the means of reconnaissance, the more perfect the means and methods of camouflage and disinformation should be.
  15. 0
    18 November 2012 01: 00
    Quote: Stasi.
    for the more perfect the means of reconnaissance, the more perfect the means and methods of disguise and disinformation should be.

    I agree!
    At one time, an entire mobile division of the Strategic Missile Forces managed to remain a "ghost division" for 10 years - no one and no intelligence of the world has ever been discovered ...;)
    It seems, and now the experts are not in vain eating government bread ...;)

    Quote: I think so
    easy detection make them a waste of resources

    Thinking is not harmful ...
    But, practice does not confirm your statements.
    Because PGRK-were, are and will be!
    Conversation is over.

    Quote: I think so
    What are the RDGs, what BSPs, what measures, what plans? As one of my military teachers said - "Don't make a smart face ... after all, you are an officer ..." So I would advise you not to make a smart "face", flaunt "smart" abbreviations and half-hints to pretend that YOU are what Something like that is known ... From this you do not look smarter, but on the contrary look childishly stupid. Whom and when you will be able to "calculate" in advance, and even more so "destroy" .... Do not amuse our potential readers if there are no real objections in essence ...



    Man!
    Yesterday I was just at a meeting of the veterans of the famous "ghost division" of mobile PGRK. So I know what I'm saying!
    And ADMINOV would ask to ban you for the flood!
    1. -2
      18 November 2012 15: 20
      "But, practice does not support your statements."
      Respected! What is the practice? When the PRACTICE begins, then from these complexes will remain only ashes ...
      And your conclusions about the invisible whole division is another joke ... How do you know that they did not see it? They reported to you in the Pentagon - they say, well, we don’t see your such and such division in any way? It’s not funny from your own words?
      Ban it ban it - censorship is a sign of weakness. Instead of arguing and giving arguments, you are only capable of hysterics and gagging ... But this will not increase your safety, but on the contrary, you will hover in clouds of illusion until the enemy is once again near Moscow. And then, when this happens and such urapatriots are shot, the Russian people will undertake to correct the nonsense done by these "patriots". But it will be very, very expensive ...
  16. 0
    18 November 2012 14: 05
    Dear, in my unprofessional opinion, the strike of enemy aircraft in a false position by the results is similar to the appearance of an additional division in our country (which would be destroyed if the position were not false).
    In general, I think the appearance of this technique does not interfere with the entry of combat complexes into the sire.
    1. -2
      18 November 2012 15: 27
      No one is planning any aviation strike on individual complexes from THEM. Against such complexes, they will use multi-megaton warheads, which they really wanted to dispose of in the 80s, but after the appearance of "mobile" complexes they left them in service. As a result, one blow of such a warhead is enough for the guaranteed (!) Destruction of an entire division, and no matter where at that moment each specific vehicle, including the camouflage one, is located ... Mask, don't mask, everything will burn out ...
      1. Filin
        0
        19 November 2012 17: 00
        I think so
        No one is planning any aviation strike on individual complexes from THEM. Against such complexes, they will use multi-megaton warheads, which they really wanted to dispose of in the 80s, but after the appearance of "mobile" complexes they left them in service. As a result, one blow of such a warhead is enough for the guaranteed (!) Destruction of an entire division, and no matter where at that moment each specific vehicle, including the camouflage one, is located ... Mask, don't mask, everything will burn out ...



        Do not tell me at the same time how long American missiles will fly to the PGRK locations and for how long the mobile installation is ready to launch ??
        If the attack is made unexpectedly, the launch command will come within 5-10 minutes and missile launches will be made directly from the hangars.
        If the troops are put on alert and there is the possibility of a nuclear war, then the PGRK will be deployed to combat patrol areas. And about a hundred moving mobile targets with constantly changing coordinates is a rather difficult goal. It will not be possible to destroy ALL complexes with absolute probability and the question will be whether the enemy is READY for a guaranteed retaliatory strike against their territory.
        It’s also almost impossible to land special forces for hunting ALL complexes.
        And another question about MULTI-MEGATON warheads. Please name them and on what missiles are they installed.
        At one time, all countries took the path of decreasing from Megatons to Kilotons, as hit accuracy increased.
  17. 0
    21 November 2012 13: 41
    Clever decision. And in combination with the skillful use of electronic warfare, electronic warfare can not only wipe traces but also powder the brains of the adversary.
    And it is very pleasant that the products of my fellow countrymen of Belarusians are in great demand in the Russian Armed Forces. It is high time.

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