UAC plans to supply the Russian Aerospace Forces with an additional batch of MiG-35 light multipurpose fighters

The Russian Aerospace Forces will receive an additional batch of the latest MiG-35 multi-role fighters, the delivery of aircraft is scheduled for the coming years. This was announced by the head of the United Aircraft Corporation Yuri Slyusar.

Currently, the Russian Aerospace Forces are armed with six MiG-35 fighters. New aircraft will arrive in the coming years, but Slyusar did not announce the exact dates. According to him, the delivery will again be for aerobatic teams, but the UAC hopes that the aircraft will also be ordered by the Russian Aerospace Forces. In 2019, the MiG-35 participated in the Indian Air Force tender, but lost out to the French Rafale.

Six MiG-35s have been delivered, including for our aerobatic teams. This year, we do not provide for deliveries, we delivered ahead of schedule in previous years what we were supposed to deliver this year. Additional deliveries are expected in the coming years. These aircraft should also go to aerobatic teams, and, we hope, will find application in the Air Force.

- leads TASS words of the head of the KLA.

The MiG-35 fighter is a further development of the MiG-29 fighter line. Developed in single and double versions - MiG-35 and MiG-35D. The fighter is designed to gain air superiority, as well as to destroy ground targets at any time of the day and under any weather conditions.

The MiG-35 is equipped with new engines with increased thrust, is equipped with an in-flight refueling system and is capable of acting as a tanker itself. The maximum takeoff weight of the fighter is 24 kg, the maximum load is 500 tons. Speed ​​- 6,5 km / h, maximum thrust - 2100 kgf. The practical ceiling is declared at 18000 thousand meters, the flight range is 16 thousand kilometers. It has nine external hardpoints and a built-in 3mm cannon. Capable of carrying guided and unguided weapons.

Among the advantages of the aircraft are reduced radar signature, quadruple redundancy of all control channels, new avionics, a radar with AFAR, an optical-location station and a helmet-mounted target designation and indication system, a new cockpit with a high level of information content and automation.

Comments

[blackGRAIL]

They will put it for the Swifts. If the VKS does not order combat moments, then the aerobatic team will apparently die ...

[Orange Bigg]

.Among the advantages of the aircraft are reduced radar visibility, quadruple redundancy of all control channels, new avionics, radar with AFAR, an optical-location station and a helmet-mounted target designation and indication system, a new cockpit with a high level of information content and automation.

Now this is already interesting. AFAR. Did you finish the AFAR Zhuk-AM?

. The MiG-35 is planned to be equipped with the N010 Zhuk-AM radar with AFAR, which is capable of detecting a target with an EPR of 5 m2 at a distance of 225 km. But the F-22 has an EPR, which is 10 times lower - 0,5 m2. Thus, the maximum detection range of the F-22 Zhuk-AM radar will be 126 km - in proportion to the root of the 4th degree of 10 - 1,778 times less.
It is not possible to install the N35 Irbis radar on the MiG-035, as on the Su-35S, since it has too much mass for the MiG-35 airframe. Moreover, it is impossible to install the N007 "Barrier-AM" radar as on the MiG-31BM.
Nevertheless, the H010 Zhuk-AM radar will allow you to confidently detect, from a distance of more than 200 km, the latest modifications of NATO 4+ generation fighters. These are the latest modifications of the Rafal, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15, F-16 and F-18 fighters. They form the basis of the NATO fighter fleet.
As a light front-line fighter, the MiG-35 will be a worthy aircraft, comparable to the Rafal fighter.

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Zhuk-A/AM

During the international air show MAKS-2019, Fazotron presented the latest AESA (Zhuk-A /AM) radar for the MiG-35. The radar has 1000 solid-state transceiver modules. Export customers can choose this radar instead of the MiG-35 serial production PESA radar.
Why are light fighters not held in high esteem? All over the world, on the contrary, they rely on them.

[Romanenko]

It seems like they finished it, all the time it seems that they don’t supply him to the troops in vain, Sushki, of course, heaped a lot, but these guys, I think, would not be superfluous at all now.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Romanenko

It seems like they finished it, all the time it seems that they don’t supply him to the troops in vain, Sushki, of course, heaped a lot, but these guys, I think, would not be superfluous at all now.

Of course, in vain. Betting only on heavy fighters is absurd. In the USSR, there were an order of magnitude more light MiG-29s than heavy Su-27s.
Ideally, the bet should be made on the heavy Su-57, Su-34M, and light MiG-35 / Su-75. All. The Su-35S could be produced before the serial production of the Su-57, and the Su-30SM / SM2 is completely off topic, its functions can be performed by the Su-34M, the base from the Su-27 is the same.

[know-it-two]

In terms of ratio, about 1 to 3 or 1 to 4 ...

[Plate]

According to statistics, in the battles of MiGs and Sushki, Sushki consistently defeated Sushki, as far as I know.

[PROXOR]

Due to the more powerful radar, Drying launched earlier. Yes, and in terms of load, Drying drags more than the 29th. Drying is designed as a fighter to gain air supremacy. And the MiG is the terminator of Dog Fight. In close combat with a helmet-mounted aiming system and the R-73 URVV, in my opinion, no one has a chance to defeat the MiG. And why he was given the BEETLE is understandable. A penguin needs a modern radar to target.

[topol717]

At the same cost, the large SU-35S is almost as good as the small MIG in aerial combat, the advantage there, if any, is scanty, but Sushka can carry more weapons and work as an infantry assistant. And for the interception of high-altitude or fast targets, there is still a MIG-31.

[Former soldier]

At the same cost, the large SU-35S is almost as good as the small MIG in aerial combat, the advantage there, if any, is scanty, but Sushka can carry more weapons and work as an infantry assistant. And for the interception of high-altitude or fast targets, there is still a MIG-31.

All this is fine, but the practice of modern military operations of approximately equal sides shows that the aircraft of both sides are "not allowed to breathe" in the theater of the air defense system by various air defense systems, and if they come into contact, then the one who discovered the enemy earlier wins at a great distance and who have more long-range air-to-air missiles. Maneuverability is obtained not particularly in business. The situation, of course, can change dramatically, but so far artillery, missiles, and drones for a wide range of purposes and actions dominate.

[Shark Lover]

It turns out that CBO will change a lot in tactics. Saturation with infantry anti-tank weapons, nullifies tank wedges, well, practically nulls. Tanks fire like howitzers from closed OPs, supporting infantry with fire from a distance.
The saturation of the front and rear air defense will also change the tactics of using aviation.
It is possible to suppress air defense with radar (I spoke as best I could))), I apologize) all sorts of TORS, Buki, but if you saturate the infantry with portable air defense systems, it is impossible to suppress them all. It's like RPG 7 for a tank (all RPG modifications).
I can imagine if during the Second World War our infantry had such a number of RPGs.

[ved_med12]

I totally agree with you!
I always considered it the most perfect, the glider is at the MIG (29-35)
And the most beautiful combat aircraft ..... su34 I really like it !!!

[tomket]

The Su-35 is generally more expensive than the MiG, and so significantly.

[ramzay21]

At the same cost, the large SU-35S is almost as good as the small MIG in aerial combat, the advantage there, if any, is scanty, but Sushka can carry more weapons and work as an infantry assistant.

In fact, everything is exactly the opposite. The Su-35 is almost twice as expensive as the MiG-35, consumes almost twice as much fuel, but is also much stronger than the MiG-35 in combat, simply because they are fighters of different classes.
The Su-35 is a heavy air superiority fighter, an analogue of the F-15, as well as the Su-57 and F-22, but of the previous generation.

The MiG-35 is a multifunctional fighter, in other words, a hard worker for everything, it is an analogue of the F-16 and Rafal, and in ALL the world's air forces it is the most numerous class of fighter and in many cases the only one. F-35 of the same class, but of a different generation.
The fact that our Air Force has gone its own way and is replenishing our Aerospace Forces ONLY with heavy and expensive Dryers is a crime.

Our Air Force needs the MiG-35, and wisely it needs to be ordered at least three hundred until 2030, completely stopping orders and production of the Su-35 in favor of the Su-57, while continuing to produce the Su-34M and Su-30SM2, as unified as possible with Su-35. At the same time, on the basis of the Su-57 engine and developments on the Su-57, it is urgent to develop a light fighter to replace the MiG-35, as well as a two-seat Su-57, which will have to replace the Su-30SM2 and Su-34M.
And aerobatic teams do not need modern AFAR radars.

[Dost]

The MIG-23 and 27 could be attributed to the lungs, but the MIG-29 can hardly be attributed to the light. Therefore, Checkmate is being developed as an easy one. And the MIG-35 is his competitor

[abc_alex]

Quote from Orange Bigg

In the USSR, there were an order of magnitude more light MiG-29s than heavy Su-27s

For 1 Su-27 2 MiG-29. That is one third and two thirds.
But in the 90s, the Pogosyanovshchina happened ....

Quote: Plate

According to statistics, in the battles of MiGs and Sushki, Sushki consistently defeated Sushki, as far as I know.

Yes, sure. The Su-27 m has more powerful radar and weapons. He himself was created in order to dominate the air and regularly performed his role.
The raptor from the shtatovites will also tear the Penguin into rags. But for some reason it didn't occur to the Pentagon to transfer the Air Force to the Raptors...

Quote from: topol717

but Drying can carry more weapons and work as an assistant to the infantry. And for the interception of high-altitude or fast targets, there is still a MIG-31.

For what "for that"? MiG was originally created as a station wagon with the ability to work on the ground. And the Su-27 was a refined fighter. And the MiG learned to work on the ground MUCH earlier than Su. And now the capabilities of both machines are completely identical. They even have a range of weapons almost 1 to 1. Only the MiG cannot carry the heaviest missiles.
Actually, from attempts to make a station wagon out of the Su-27, both the Su-34 and Su-30MKI were born, which has now become the Su-30MS.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote from Orange Bigg

The Su-35S could be produced before the serial production of the Su-57, and the Su-30SM / SM2 is completely off topic, its functions can be performed by the Su-34M, the base from the Su-27 is the same.

What about the Su-30 and, in part, the Su-35 - they are so in demand for export, but the Su-34 is not, from the word at all ?!

[abc_alex]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Quote from Orange Bigg

The Su-35S could be produced before the serial production of the Su-57, and the Su-30SM / SM2 is completely off topic, its functions can be performed by the Su-34M, the base from the Su-27 is the same.

What about the Su-30 and, in part, the Su-35 - they are so in demand for export, but the Su-34 is not, from the word at all ?!

And also, imagine, the Falcons are very much in demand. But the Lancers are not in demand at all. Why would it? :)
In general, there are very few countries in the world capable of maintaining a fleet of specialized combat aircraft. USSR could. The US can. But Germany is no more. She has neither attack aircraft nor bombers.

Su-34 is a niche vehicle. And for some Thailand, it’s just “not for Senka a hat” to have a separate bomber aircraft. As well as for Germany too.

[tomket]

I read something like that the British drooled from the work of the B-1 in Libya, it seems.

[dauria]

Why are light fighters not held in high esteem? All over the world, on the contrary, they rely on them.

All over the world, the bet is not on easy, but on cheap. And that means single-engine. Therefore, the F-16, the Swedish Gripen and even the F-35. We don't have an engine like the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229. If it were, Mikoyan would not have sculpted this loser MiG-29 in the seventies.

[Orange Bigg]

As far as I know, at the request of the military, they made a twin-engine MiG-29. It’s more reliable like that. Otherwise, it would be possible to put one movement from the Su-27, like the F-16 flies on one engine from the twin-engine F-15.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote from Orange Bigg

As far as I know, at the request of the military, they made a twin-engine MiG-29. It’s more reliable like that. Otherwise, it would be possible to put one movement from the Su-27, like the F-16 flies on one engine from the twin-engine F-15.

And that the MiG-21, MiG-23/27, Su-7/17 were very unreliable? They were single-engine.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote from Orange Bigg

As far as I know, at the request of the military, they made a twin-engine MiG-29. It’s more reliable like that. Otherwise, it would be possible to put one movement from the Su-27, like the F-16 flies on one engine from the twin-engine F-15.

And that the MiG-21, MiG-23/27, Su-7/17 were very unreliable? They were single-engine.

So I'm about the same.

[Andrey_10]

Yes, they were single-engine and cheap, as well as very massive. Therefore, they did not particularly bother about safety and practicality.

[cold wind]

Quote from Orange Bigg

at the request of the military, they made a twin-engine MiG-29

Can't call it anything but sabotage.
Soviet projects and Chinese implementation (more than 550 units) on AL-31:

[Atlas]

AL-41 cannot be used in a single-engine aircraft ?? Why is it worse than the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229?

[Stas157]

Quote: dauria

We don't have an engine like the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229. Would be - would not sculpt Mikoyan in the seventies of this loser MiG-29

Why then the French twin-engine Rafal sculpt? And after all, an enviable aircraft for many!

[cold wind]

Quote: Stas157

Why then do the French sculpt the twin-engine Rafal? And after all, an enviable aircraft for many!

He is a single multifunctional fighter, the French Air Force will no longer be. Released in a series of 240 pieces. For the protection of the Russian Federation, this is nothing.

[topol717]

The French do not understand the term economy, and their tanks and other crap are examples of this. Everyone understands that 1 engine is much cheaper than 2, and even this 1 engine has some advantages in dry weight over 2. about maneuvers, the situation is no longer so unambiguous, somewhere better than 2, somewhere better than 1. But the survivability of a 2-engine aircraft will always be better than a single-engine one. Another question is whether it is needed for a modern fighter. This is already a philosophical question.

[DO]

topol717,

Another question is whether it /* survivability */ is needed for a modern fighter.

The low production cost of a single-engine glider, to the detriment of its survivability, is clearly adequate for unmanned fighter aircraft.
It is possible that this will also be true for the unmanned single-engine MiG-35?
And to divide the sky between it and the unmanned modifications of the Su-75 could be a specialization, respectively, on the bottom and top.

[low war]

Here with the first phrase, if you add [because of poverty, poverty] I agree 100%. And about the "loser" - you are talking about yourself or about the plane, then in more detail!

[abc_alex]

Quote: dauria

All over the world, the bet is not on easy, but on cheap. And that means single-engine. Therefore, the F-16, the Swedish Gripen and even the F-35. We don't have an engine like the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229. If it were, Mikoyan would not have sculpted this loser MiG-29 in the seventies.

What are you saying? Here's the problem! There were 25 tons and 321 tons, but there was one like Prat's - well, not Shmogli ...
Don't bullshit. BOTH aircraft were initially made twin-engine according to the requirements of the military. This condition was put forward on the basis of US Air Force losses in Vietnam. The pilots, you know, were protected by our generals. Motors for both aircraft were made to order. And the MiG-29 was not a loser. It was an excellent aircraft in its target niche.

[Belisarius]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Now this is already interesting. AFAR. Did you finish the AFAR Zhuk-AM?

The first MiG-35 for the Air Force with a slotted radar. We have been hearing advertising pouring about AFAR for export for 15 years. And things are still there, they carry them only at exhibitions.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Belisarius

Quote from Orange Bigg

Now this is already interesting. AFAR. Did you finish the AFAR Zhuk-AM?

The first MiG-35 for the Air Force with a slotted radar. We have been hearing advertising pouring about AFAR for export for 15 years. And things are still there, they carry them only at exhibitions.

Only at exhibitions, since there are no orders from relatives of the VKS. Then give the outdated Zhuk-M to be cheaper, and so the AFAR Zhuk-AM was finished and ready to be sold for export, but who will take it if the relatives of the VKS do not buy Mig-35 with AFAR Zhuk- AM for the sake of economy. It turns out a vicious circle. Foreign customers are waiting for the AFAR to be checked in the VKS, and the VKS are waiting for foreign customers to check the AFAR in practice, and then buy it yourself. The Mig-35 is a wonderful aircraft. It’s a pity that we don’t buy it out of stupidity. We just need to buy cheap and technologically backward Su-35SM, and not the latest MiG-30. What kind of progress can we talk about with such installations? Although what is it I, if we didn’t even really deal with drones before the start of the NWO.

[Sergey985]

The bet is made in order to save money. The same F16 is cheaper to operate than the F15. That's the whole secret)

[Proxima]

Shakhurin and Yakovlev would have told Stalin in 1941 that fighters (Yak-7, for example) would be delivered in "the coming years." Where would these comrades end up?

[Plate]

It seems to me that the Yak-7 is much simpler than modern aircraft. Although I agree about the MiG-35. Okay, the 5th generation was like the Su-57, then he would be forgiven for such a long exit into the world. But it's not like that. In my opinion, from a conditional sofa, the Mikoyan Design Bureau should already be abandoned this 35th and move on to the development of a 5th generation light fighter so that it butts with the F-35 while the Su-57 puts the F-22 on the shoulder blades.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Plate

It seems to me that the Yak-7 is much simpler than modern aircraft. Although I agree about the MiG-35. Okay, the 5th generation was like the Su-57, then he would be forgiven for such a long exit into the world. But it's not like that. In my opinion, from a conditional sofa, the Mikoyan Design Bureau should already be abandoned this 35th and move on to the development of a 5th generation light fighter so that it butts with the F-35 while the Su-57 puts the F-22 on the shoulder blades.

The MiG-35 is a "trademark" of the MiG-29M2 platform. Its main property is that it is absolutely open. On the basis of one aircraft with minimal alterations, you can get a carrier-based IS, a single long-range, a double, a double combat training, a single heavy. Let me remind you that the Su-35 does not have a two-seat version at all. Su-30 is exclusively double. And so far no one has even talked about the ship version of the dry ones.
So, the MiG-29M2 platform has been ready for more than 10 years. In Lukhovitsy, even now they can launch a series. Latency is not in KB. The military can not determine the "stuffing" of the machine. Unlike the Sukhoi Zoo, in 29M2 you can install almost any combination of radar, engine and avionics that fit into the dimensions. Whether domestic or foreign. BUT the military has been dragging their feet for many years and engaged in pettiness. Instead of ending the period of Pogosyanism and choosing ONE heavy fighter, and spending the money saved on the production of the modern version of the MiG-29M2 and the modernized Su-34 for the Armed Forces and the Navy, they stubbornly drag the Su-30 and Su-35 drunk, pumping billions into pointless production of almost identical aircraft. And for the MiG-35, everyone is trying to find a complete set of ram and sticks, but no matter how they try, nothing good comes of it. Everyone understands that a 30-year-old radar station has nothing to do in a modern aircraft. But there is no money. Zoo Poghosyan ate everything. Vaughn recently announced a Su-30SM modernization program. They will fill it with electronics from the Su-35.

[tomket]

Quote: abc_alex

for many years in a row they have been pulling rubber and doing

It's not exactly military. I don't consider Shoigu a military man.

[Revolver]

Quote: Proxima

Where would these comrades end up?

In the same place as Tupolev. And they would have cut the fighter by the nearest November 7 or May 1, without being distracted by everyday life and other distractions that are available in the wild. And everything they need for fruitful work would be provided by comrade. Beria.

[tomket]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Proxima

Where would these comrades end up?

In the same place as Tupolev. And they would have cut the fighter by the nearest November 7 or May 1, without being distracted by everyday life and other distractions that are available in the wild. And everything they need for fruitful work would be provided by comrade. Beria.

Tupolev, by the way, sat down for being the leader in disrupting government assignments. And they imprisoned him so that he would finally at least give something

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Why are light fighters not held in high esteem? All over the world, on the contrary, they rely on them

We have a large territory, and light fighters have a short range. The price is almost the same as that of a heavy one, and it carries less weapons, a less powerful radar.

[Diger]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Now this is already interesting. AFAR. Did you finish the AFAR Zhuk-AM?

or maybe RLPK ”Osa” with HEADLIGHTS ”Skat-M”
Although hard to believe

2010: The Fazotron-NIIR Corporation began serial production of the Zhuk-AE active phased array radar, intended for installation on the export version of the MiG-35 multifunctional fighter. In the future, these radars are supposed to be installed on the MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29SMT launched into production. In the coming year, the corporation plans to produce 10 Zhuk-AE airborne radars.

Anatoly Kanashchenkov, First Deputy General Director and General Designer of Fazotron-NIIR, told Interfax that the corporation is participating in the modernization of 64 MiG-29 fighters of the Indian Air Force. He noted that in 2010 the enterprise will continue work on finalizing the radars installed on the MiG-29SMT "Algerian contract" fighters.

Quote from Orange Bigg

Why are light fighters not held in high esteem? All over the world, on the contrary, they rely on them

Well, the MIG-21 was (and still remains) held in high esteem.

[Osipov9391]

"Fazotran" is no more. Then, this radar with AFAR needs an element base of the appropriate level. But it is not made in Russia and it is now impossible to obtain the necessary microcircuits from abroad for such a purpose.

[tkoh]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Now this is already interesting. AFAR. Did you finish the AFAR Zhuk-AM?

Who finished it? Phasotron? It was dispersed long ago and now excursions lead to the abandoned remains.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Why are light fighters not held in high esteem by us?

Probably because the MIG-35 is not exactly light. It may appear when the SU-75 is finished.

[olegff68]

Aerobatic teams, this is all certainly amazing, BUT in this difficult time, we are again talking about parades, in this case air ones.
And here I have a question - and aerobatic pilots, do they really need all this, they really need it more than the front? -

reduced radar visibility, quadruple redundancy of all control channels, new avionics, radar with AFAR, optical-location station and helmet-mounted target designation and indication system, new cockpit with a high level of information content and automation

[paul3390]

The whole question is how much cheaper it will be when buying, and most importantly in maintaining, compared to the Su family? If not helluva lot - what's the point in its existence?

[abc_alex]

But we have all sorts of helicopters. There are Mi-24 and Mi-28 and Ka-52 and Mi-8. What is the point of their existence? They would make the Mi-26! :)
Our Air Force is becoming obsolete at such a rate that factories do not even have time to fill in gaps, not to mention high-quality modernization. Judging by the expo prices and offers, three flashes are bought for 2 dry ones. And the capabilities of the machines are almost identical.
And yet, well, why, pray tell, your brilliant thoughts do not occur to the same shtatovtsy? Why don't they cancel their insanely priced "stealth" rattles and switch to Falcons?

[Stas157]

According to the characteristics, Rafal is closest to him.
Although many believe that the MiG-35 is not really needed, nevertheless, the news is good. In essentially wartime conditions, all aircraft factories must be loaded.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Stas157

According to the characteristics, Rafal is closest to him.
Although many believe that the MiG-35 is not really needed, nevertheless, the news is good. In essentially wartime conditions, all aircraft factories must be loaded.

Those who believe that the MiG-35 is not needed, until recently, believed that drones were not needed in the army, and planning bombs like JDAM were not needed, and that high-precision UAB and missiles for MLRS also believed that they were not needed, because why, when the effectiveness of artillery they counted not from the accuracy of hitting the target, but from the area of ​​fields plowed with blunt shells in hectares. Did the second engine help the Ukrainian MiG-29s a lot when they were shot down? Not really. Did the second engine help the Su-25 a lot?

[Aviator_]

Did the second engine help the Su-25 a lot?

Do not confuse warm with soft. Thanks to the second engine, the Su-25 attack aircraft holds one hit with the Needle or Stinger.

[Ulan.1812]

Are they planning? Was it not fate to think before? Again, we are waiting for the rooster to wake up and peck.

[Dzafdet]

He is missing at the front now. Just right for frontline support.

[Vic Vic]

And what should a fighter at the forefront do? Work like a stormtrooper? We all wrote with mockery that the outskirts of their MiG-29s were converted into attack aircraft or bombers.

[Osipov9391]

Ukraine have finalized their MiG-29 and Su-27 under HARM and not without result.

We did not have a normal anti-radar missile of this type - it was necessary to upgrade the X-58 towards the characteristics of HARMa and actively introduce it into tactical aircraft.

[abc_alex]

And who will directly support the troops from the air? Shoot enemy attack aircraft and bombers from the sky and accompany your attack aircraft and bombers? Souls of dead pilots?
:)

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Dzafdet

He is missing at the front now. Just right for frontline support.

We do not fly planes deep into the country on combat missions, because it is dangerous, they can shoot down, so they use missiles. Helicopters and Su-25s are used directly at the front. Su-30/35 and MiG-31BM are used as air defense aviation, but they do not work on the battlefield.

[Revolver]

Quote: Dzafdet

He is missing at the front now. Just right for frontline support.

Just the ukro-MiG-29 is frankly not pulled against the Russian Su-30/35. Again, the problem of identification. Painfully, the MiG-35s are similar to 29. Of course, they are identification ones, and the "friend or foe" system, but the MANPADS operator has literally moments to point and sneer, there is no time for looking at the identification ones, the silhouette is more or less similar, which means launch.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Nagan

Just the ukro-MiG-29 is frankly not pulled against the Russian Su-30/35. Again, the problem of identification. Painfully, the MiG-35s look like 29.

They have the MiG-29 of the earliest modifications. And in a bad state. 29M2 significantly surpasses it in performance characteristics. And the Su-35 looks no less like the Su-27. :)

[tomket]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Dzafdet

He is missing at the front now. Just right for frontline support.

Just the ukro-MiG-29 is frankly not pulled against the Russian Su-30/35. Again, the problem of identification. Painfully, the MiG-35s are similar to 29. Of course, they are identification ones, and the "friend or foe" system, but the MANPADS operator has literally moments to point and sneer, there is no time for looking at the identification ones, the silhouette is more or less similar, which means launch.

so you agree that the Ukrainian Su-27s are not pulling either. And they do not pull, first of all, against long-range missiles.

[mark1]

Yes, aerobatic teams are exactly what is sorely lacking now ... Is it because of them that they tried to breed oligarchs for voluntary contributions?

[Belisarius]

Is this bullying or sabotage? What MiG-35, what aerobatic teams ....
We have a difficult war in which the "VKS" proved to be worse than ever. They cannot have at least some impact on the enemy, even on the LBS. The insignificant Air Force of Ukraine is still alive!
And these people are talking about "aerobatic teams"!
Give the Air Force normal weapons, glide bombs, etc. Restore the pilot training system. Produce at least the now obsolete Su-34 not in the amount of 10 units per year.
No, these people will think about the useless and in no way used MiG-35 with a slotted radar and about aerobatic teams ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Belisarius

We have a difficult war in which the "VKS" proved to be worse than ever.

Why bad? Aviation is shot down, the only thing is not used to work in the depths of the territory due to the risk of losses. MiGs are supplied to Ukraine from all over the world, etc., now it seems that Poland wants to transfer its 29, before that, almost all the former Warsaw Pact countries transferred theirs.

[Belisarius]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Why bad? Aviation is shot down, the only one is not used to work in the depths of the territory due to the risk of losses.

Yes, are you kidding me? They are not capable of suppressing air defense, they are not capable of destroying the insignificant Ukrainian Air Force, they are not capable of even providing effective support to the infantry on the line of contact. Yes, they are not capable of anything !
I don't blame the pilots, they fight heroically. But there is a catastrophic shortage of modern ASPs, the same quantitative shortage of aircraft and pilots, outdated equipment (especially for working on the ground) ....
All these problems need to be solved urgently, but here they are talking about aerobatic teams ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Belisarius

They are not able to suppress air defense

Because the Ukrainians keep their radars off most of the time, how can they be detected?

Quote: Belisarius

they are not capable of destroying the insignificant Ukrainian Air Force

Constantly destroy, but they are supplied with more and more new ones.

Quote: Belisarius

they are not even able to provide effective support to the infantry on the line of contact.

There are Su-25s, they provide support directly on the battlefield.

[Alexey G]

When we launch Drones and X101 missiles, they turn on their radars there and then they need to be hit with everything we have, including Su 57, Su 34. This is the only way to achieve victory over enemy air defense. She is forced to manifest and is ambushed. And since we have been ironing them with Geraniums, Calibers and X 101 for a long time, we could have burned all their air defense for a long time.
But when they stop shooting down our missiles, then it's time to cross the border and hang over the trenches and rear of the concentration by planes!

[Osipov9391]

Outdated sighting systems (the same "Platan" on the Su-34 and the Sh141 radar) are the creation of the Soviet military-industrial complex, which is 30 years old from the moment of development.

If the optical system were remade in a hanging container and another radar was installed, then the production of the Su-34 would become impossible due to the fact that it would no longer be necessary.
It would change to the level of the Su-30, that's all.

[Osipov9391]

To suppress the air defense of Ukraine, oh how not easy, if at all possible.
Firstly, the spacecraft of the NATO countries controlling its sky, border water areas and Russian airfields near the border are used on it;
Secondly, on our aircraft, outdated electronic warfare, electronic intelligence and defense systems are much worse than those of Israel;
Thirdly, AWACS aircraft of NATO countries work for Ukraine almost around the clock and a fair part of its territory is viewed;
Fourthly, many of our planes and helicopters were shot down from MANPADS, which it is no longer possible to suppress. And there are thousands of them.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Belisarius

Yes, are you kidding me? They are not capable of suppressing air defense, they are not capable of destroying the insignificant Ukrainian Air Force, they are not capable of even providing effective support to the infantry on the line of contact. Yes, they are not capable of anything!

On the territory of Ukraine, the Air Force and Air Defense of three military districts and the country's air defense army were left. This is a damn breakthrough of air defense systems of various calibers and aircraft. There, only the S-300 had EMNIP more than 30 divisions. Ktov said that there are "insignificant" air defense and air force. Seyas saves us only that they cannot put it all into operation at once.
And because of the lack of aircraft, the industry was initially unable to meet the needs of the Armed Forces and the Air Force. We do not have so many factories capable of riveting Sukhoi aircraft at the right pace. No, and never was, even in the USSR. Pogosyanovshchina was a mistake. Two heavy fighters are in production, and the Su-24 and Su-25 are flying, which are more than half a century old ...

[Osipov9391]

I think that the Su-30M2 was taken out of production early in 2016 at KnaaPO.
Update the avionics and it would be a good plane.
Slowly bring it up to the level of "Strike Eagle".

[abc_alex]

I think the opposite. In vain, for the sake of the Su-30, the development of the Su-35UB was stopped. On the basis of which double cars of the Sukhoi Design Bureau are made. Su-30 is an expensive dead end branch. The Sukhoi zoo should be reduced to a pair of Su-35s and Su-34s. In my opinion.

[tomket]

Quote: Osipov9391

I think that the Su-30M2 was taken out of production early in 2016 at KnaaPO.
Update the avionics and it would be a good plane.
Slowly bring it up to the level of "Strike Eagle".

The Su-30M2 is primarily a replacement for the Su-27UB, there was no smell of an eagle there.

[Belisarius]

Quote: abc_alex

Ktov said that there are "insignificant" air defense and air force.

Do not distort, I wrote about the insignificant Air Force. At the beginning of 22, they had 40 MiG-29s, 20-25 Su-27s, 25-30 Su-25s, and about 15 Su-24s. All sides Soviet built. All are extremely decrepit, they have been engaged in the restoration of their flight readiness for all 8 years.
And we cannot cope with this aviation for a year. They fly, moreover, they bomb. I don’t write about mythical deliveries from abroad, this one is completely for the stupid. There are no Su-24s and Su-27s in Eastern Europe. Su-25 and MiG-29 were indeed transferred, but in small quantities and, again, the old dead sides.
About air defense. In 1991 it was really strong, but that was 32 years ago. All that remained there for 2022 in terms of object air defense was a maximum of 10 S-300 divisions and a few Buk, with expired missiles. This is not a weak air defense, but it did not represent anything special either.
What is the result for the year? Their air defense just got stronger than a year ago. Now it is really difficult to overcome it.
But most importantly, aviation is needed for strikes on the ground and assistance to ground forces and for nothing else. This can be strategic bombing of objects in the rear, collecting and transmitting intelligence or work in direct support of troops, etc.
What is the upshot here? Yes, aviation has no real impact on the enemy, even tactical assistance from it is scanty. Yes, the policy of "goodwill gestures" plays a certain role here, but it is far from being the only one.

Quote: abc_alex

And because of the lack of aircraft, the industry was initially unable to meet the needs of the Armed Forces and the Air Force.

Shortage of aircraft since the country deindustrialized and parasitized on Soviet stocks for 30 years. It is pointless to compare with the USSR, then production was an order of magnitude larger, and then there were an order of magnitude more aircraft in the Air Force and Air Defense. Moreover, I will not overcome 30 years of capitalist devastation even in 5 years, even with the restoration of Soviet power.
But even within the framework of the current monstrous realities, at least all forces can be directed to the production of planning / guided bombs, the production of the Su-34, bringing the unfortunate sighting hanging container and other useful things.
Instead, we are talking about MiG-35 for aerobatic teams. For aerobatic teams, Carl!

[Alex777]

Quote: Belisarius

In 1991 it was really strong, but that was 32 years ago. All that remained there for 2022 in terms of object air defense was a maximum of 10 S-300 divisions and a few Buk, with expired missiles.

From the USSR Air Defense Forces, the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the end of 1991 received 43 air defense division S-300PT / PS and six S-300V divisions, 35 S-200 air defense divisions, 23 division of the Buk air defense system, 29 divisions of the S-125 air defense system, 37 divisions of the S-75 air defense system, 27 divisions of the Krug air defense system, four divisions of the Kub air defense system. Apparently, in the early 1990s, Ukraine was second only to Russia in terms of ground air defense power. And in terms of air defense density per unit of territory, it confidently ranked first in the world.

Arestovich, at the beginning of the war, calmly talked about 50 divisions.
It is clear that Lucy is still the source, but your statement about 10 divisions is nonsense.

[Arcius Long]

Again a hysterical person. Everything is suppressed quite well, war is not a computer toy, there will never be complete suppression. Especially with supplies from the west.

[Osipov9391]

To this day, no one has delivered any aircraft to Ukraine, except for the ex-Afghan Mi-17 and Macedonian Su-25, which did not have any significant impact at all.

They still make do with their planes - those that were dispersed a year ago and those that were restored from the septic tanks.

Yesterday, a video was posted in a cart showing a trio of Ukrainian Su-27s from the Mirgorod brigade flying quietly. They live in Western Ukraine.
And on Russian TV they have already been shot down 12-15 times ...

Poland and Slovakia are still haggling about transferring their MiG-29s to Ukraine, but not allowing NATO. Because it is necessary to replace these aircraft with others in the national air forces of these countries.
Poland is waiting for the F-35. What Slovakia do not know.
Only then will they give it back.

[mitroha]

How is a pig different from the rest? The fact that each pig has its own little world of pink ponies, in which everything is the way the pig wants. The only problem is that the pigs are trying to impose this little world on others.

[ZeeD]

Quote: Belisarius

Produce at least the now obsolete Su-34 not in the amount of 10 units per year.

How much they order and pay, so much will be produced. Factories are not working at the limit of their capacities. Does it make sense to make 10 aircraft in 3 months, and then suck your paw, especially if the next order is not clear when?

[Belisarius]

Quote: ZeeD

How much they order and pay, so much will be produced.

So order at least 20 aircraft .. And normal weapons for them.
Why the hell do we need a MiG-35 for aerobatic teams ....?

[Pavel57]

A reasonable decision - the aircraft is still 35 percent cheaper than the Su-40. Plus balancing the load of enterprises. And the replacement of the retired MiG-29s.

[Maks1995]

That is, 1) a promise and 2) for PR ...

And for real aircraft, the MIG-35 is not ordered at all - they have been discussing it for many years.
They wrote here - too expensive for an aircraft that is much inferior to the SU35.

Tenders over the hill also does not win.

Algeria - the last hope - also promised, promised, and refused ...
They ruined KB MIG, apparently.

[air wolf]

Su-35SM and what can't we master in the right amount? It would be better if they started making the MiG-31M, it is many times stronger than the BM modification, and why do we need a front-line fighter? I don't understand

[Alexey Krasnogorsky]

As many as two, in the coming years? What is this article about?

[Introvert]

Road spoon to dinner. Unfortunately, the plane was at least 20 years late. If they had a normal fleet today - at least 200-250 cars, still all right. But, in fact, only aerobatic pilots have them and fly in parades. It would be better if all efforts were thrown at a single-engine LFI under 33 units, its thrust is almost the same as that of two RD-33MK. And the Mig Design Bureau should be sent to quickly complete the replacement of the MIG-31 (if, of course, it is being done and not rumors of the OBS agency.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Introvert

Road spoon to dinner. Unfortunately, the plane was at least 20 years late. If they had a normal fleet today - at least 200-250 cars, still all right. But, in fact, only aerobatic pilots have them and fly in parades. It would be better if all efforts were thrown at a single-engine LFI under 33 units, its thrust is almost the same as that of two RD-33MK. And the Mig Design Bureau should be sent to quickly complete the replacement of the MIG-31 (if, of course, it is being done and not rumors of the OBS agency.

What MiG-31??? What are you? Our industry is not capable of producing it now. Only upgrade.
The MiG-35 is not obsolete. Nothing to be outdated. The military cannot shape his appearance in any way.
The military does not need a single-engine aircraft. Not needed since the end of the Vietnam War.

[Jonny_Su]

It is strange that they did not dare to bury the stewardess. Why the country needs a second light-heavy fighter is not clear. Not a marine version, not a single-engine, namely, not fully finished ("in a few years") twin-engine? Again export dreams?

[cold wind]

For aerial acrobats.

According to him, the delivery will again be for aerobatic teams, but the KLA hopes that the Russian Aerospace Forces will also order the aircraft.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Jonny_Su

It is strange that they did not dare to bury the stewardess. Why the country needs a second light-heavy fighter is not clear. Not a marine version, not a single-engine, namely, not fully finished ("in a few years") twin-engine? Again export dreams?

Inevitability pushes. It is already clear to everyone that it is simply impossible to upgrade the Air Force fleet to heavy Su. Pogosyanovism was outright Manilovism and deceit. There is no money or resources for this. Light-heavyweight, medium-heavyweight... ANYTHING, as long as it is made faster than dry ones and costs less. Even though it still won't work. The dry ones have already practically killed the MiG Design Bureau.
And my advice to you, take the trouble to study what the MiG-29M2 is ...

[Jonny_Su]

From what was in open sources, the 35th is not a deck 29M2, finishing 35 to a marine version is a separate step. As for "it will be done faster and cost less," I don't really believe (again, there are no sources, it's a matter of faith) - only an experimental batch has been assembled, piece by piece per year. This cannot be compared with the capacities of the Sukhoi assembly plants. And in terms of the prospects of the model, it is better to put it on the Su-75 than to carry a 40-year-old platform. On the other hand, if the campaign drags on for another couple of years, they may be in time.

[abc_alex]

They are. MiG-29M2 is a single platform. KB simply does not have the ability to make different cars. For the ship version, special equipment is mounted on this single platform. All other options are also received, including the fat, which is called the MiG-35.

Quote: Jonny_Su

And in terms of the prospects of the model, it is better to put it on the Su-75 than to carry a 40-year-old platform.

No. Firstly, there is no Su-75 in nature. Secondly, the military does not consider single-engine vehicles for the Air Force at all.
In Lukhovitsy, there is an unloaded MiG plant ready for production on the 35th. The only question is political will.

[wlkw]

Why do they need radar stealth if these aircraft are for acrobatic groups ...
It seems that a certain number of buildings remained and they decided to complete them in any way, at least for something.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Until now, the Ministry of Defense has not reached the point that the aircraft, as a means of delivery, is a secondary matter. The main thing for him is not to be shot down by air defense, which means that he needs to launch missiles or planning smart bombs. This means that rocket scientists and microelectronics engineers have a key role: solid fuel recipes, microcircuits, communications and sensors. And with this, everything has been bad for Rossiushka since the days of the Soviet Union. So it is not necessary to kick the aviators, but it is not known who. After all, the conditions for commercial production have not been created (competition for a specialist with the help of financial and social goodies), and the state has long lost its competence for technological breakthroughs in "sharashka", i.e. forced labor of high-tech specialists.

[Osipov9391]

With solid fuel yes, you are right. It has been bad since the beginning of the 60s, when the United States was already making missiles for Pollaris submarines on this solid fuel with very serious characteristics of that time.
The USSR could not make such missiles - they did liquid ones and so far this gap has not been overcome - the Bulava has not been brought to the level of Trident-2.

Of course, the United States and France have a lot of experience in solid rockets and composite bodies for them.
All of their submarine missiles are solid propellant, "Ariane" and "Shuttle" are also partially solid fueled.

[Ivan Fokin_2]

The question is one engine or two is better, the Wagner Su-24m answered it yesterday, the plane, after being hit by a rocket, reached the airfield on one engine.

[Serge9901]

It seems that it is not the United States, but we are printing money. But isn’t it necessary to focus on the NWO and supply everything that is needed there in the first place? Or is everything fine with us and Kyiv will fall tomorrow? isn't it time, if not to stop, then at least to suspend the usual cut until victory? What moments, what aerobatic teams? Are grandiose parades not enough for you? At this pace, we will carry out the next mobilization as in Ukraine.

[solar]

Something about the Su-75 has not been heard for a long time? What's with the shahimat?

[Andron78]

The question is really interesting. On the one hand, a certain number of additional aircraft would not hurt, but on the other hand, what wouldn’t hurt, for what current and future tasks that the existing fleet can’t cope with ... Practice has shown that gaining real air supremacy depends not so much on super-maneuverability, but on the survivability and range of the air defense system. The same practice has shown that helicopters pitch up as well as attack aircraft, and it is difficult to say which works better, attack helicopters or attack aircraft, without having statistics. In my opinion, uninitiated in the subtleties of military aviation, the war of modern armies showed a slightly different role of aviation in combat operations than military science assumed, and this is no longer a war of aerobatics or invisibility, but a war of delivery vehicles for precision weapons from places invulnerable to strikes the enemy, as close as possible to the coverage area of ​​​​enemy air defense. At the same time, of course, preference is given to machines capable of taking on board as large and varied a load as possible for attack and defense. I think our military science has something to think about. And yes, we are certainly not talking about the "wall to wall" option, after which there will be nowhere to sit down.

[Osipov9391]

War now is largely intelligence. Space and sky.
Spacecraft for various purposes, AWACS and RTR aircraft, UAVs of various types, including strategic reconnaissance UAVs.
It is very bad with this in Russia - a significant lag in electronics, in a radiation-resistant element base, is affecting.
Therefore, there are very few of our satellites in orbit. And they do not live long compared to their Western counterparts.
Hence the problems with all sorts of high-precision planning bombs / ammunition.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Let's see what the potential enemy has: Raytheon GBU-53B Stormbreaker.
1. 110 km on a fixed and 75 km on a moving target. That is, the aircraft does not need to enter the short-range air defense area.
2. The bomb is cold and plastic. From metal, only striking elements in a warhead weighing 48 kg. There is no engine. A very difficult target for air defense.
3. It flies by GPS, can be controlled by radio, has an IR sensor, millimeter-wave radar and a semi-active laser guidance system for an illuminated target, including a moving one.
4. F-15E Strike Eagle can carry 28 (!!!) of these bombs.

[Alex242]

Among the advantages of the aircraft are reduced radar signature, quadruple redundancy of all control channels, new avionics, a radar with AFAR, an optical-location station and a helmet-mounted target designation and indication system, a new cockpit with a high level of information content and automation.

if only for the sake of maneuverability .....

[Pavel57]

Quote: Plate

According to statistics, in the battles of MiGs and Sushki, Sushki consistently defeated Sushki, as far as I know.

What MiGs and what Sushki and where? Su-27 or Su-35?

[spektr9]

Radar with AFAR

A highly dubious statement, as far as I remember, the Air Force was going to supply with a slotted radar
ps Well, it’s a very dubious aircraft, for which you also need to launch a production line, and then treat its children’s sores.
And this is while NATO is switching to the f-35, and the frank minuscule is being produced su-57

[AC130 Gunship]

How much has already been said and written about this plane that it is outdated and does not enter the same river twice ...

[Kaufman]

For a long time there were no articles about what is planned, being prepared and certain dates ..... in the next .... years.
Complete nonsense.
In 6 years, this next generation of Mig 29 will really become obsolete

[Glagol1]

The striped ones still riveted f16, also almost a grandfather, but in the last blocks with afar completely. So the MiG-35 has a chance, you just need to give it to him. With an export price of 40 million, it is very realistic.

[malyvalv]

Now the planes are divided into several groups. Aircraft as a platform for launching high-precision long-range missiles such as F-15 or Su-34. Anti-aircraft aircraft F-35, Su-35, Su-57. And air defense planes.
MiG-35 is an air defense aircraft. For these purposes, driving the Su-35 or Su-57 is wasteful.

[Rome]

We are strained with strike aircraft! There are clearly not enough aircraft, it would probably not be bad to resume production of the MIG27 with unification according to the engine and where possible with the Su30/34/35. The car would be 34-2 times cheaper than the Su3 both in production and in maintenance, 300-500 pieces would not interfere at all

[point]

Mig is primarily an alternative for Su, and the lack of an order entails a lack of feedback on the real qualities of the alternative platform. I hope that the coming years will set priorities in such a way that there will be a place for healthy competition. When I read that "the military cannot decide how to save money and get better than a wide range of creatures," bewilderment arises - this is not a problem about the aircraft, but in the heads of the people's commissar of defense and the people's commissar of industry.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: "Currently, the Russian Aerospace Forces are armed with six MiG-35 fighters. New aircraft will arrive in the coming years, but Slyusar did not announce the exact dates."
After the rain on Thursday.

[AC130 Gunship]

At a time when there is not much money to scrape together, the UAC will need to decide what to spend it on: the Su75, which seems to be 50 years more modern, but it is only available from papier-mâché. Or Mig29 (crossed out) 35, which was developed 50 years ago and since then has changed (slightly) engines, weapons and radar. Good for fighting an enemy that does not have air defense and is armed with F4, F5, Mi24

[tomket]

Quote: AC130 Ganship

At a time when there is not much money to scrape together, the UAC will need to decide what to spend it on: the Su75, which seems to be 50 years more modern, but it is only available from papier-mâché. Or Mig29 (crossed out) 35, which was developed 50 years ago and since then has changed (slightly) engines, weapons and radar. Good for fighting an enemy that does not have air defense and is armed with F4, F5, Mi24

Firstly, it is quite realistic that there will come times in the near future when aircraft will be needed here and now and not offshore papers, and the MiG-35 is actually the same age as the Su-35, only more advanced technically.

[BorzRio]

This MiG-35 is a poor sufferer, no one needs it in figs ... Either the plane is not as good as it was painted, or there are better and cheaper ones. What's up with Checkmate? Everything, mate to him?

[wladimirjankov]

This KLA will not deliver anything for the army. Only chatter and promises. MIG-35s have been procrastinating for over 30 years. So far, it has not been brought to mind. Like the SU-57. If they do anything, then only for parades and shows at exhibitions. This office is incompetent, as are its leaders.

[Glagol1]

Good news, especially in the context of export deliveries. It is not expensive, technically modern. Interested countries will be found for sure. You can count on 18-24 cars under the state defense order and at least about the same number for export. For the plant - loading with work for 4-5 years.

[Dedok]

it's been a year since the NWO has been going on, there is no air supremacy, but for the time being we can cope with outdated Soviet-made models supplied there.
If they are given typhoons, mirages, saabs or even f16, then it will be hard to work with one type of aircraft on such a command
For 30 years they have been telling us about some kind of competition - but when it comes to their pocket, they immediately forget about it

[acetophenone]

Quote: Torvlobnor IV

So it is not necessary to kick the aviators, but it is not known who.

... Are you dying? But who is destroying you here by deceit or by force?”
He answered them from a dark cave desperately wild
Roar: "No one! But I perish by my mistake; Nobody would
He couldn't hurt me by force." Cyclopes cried out in their hearts:
“If no one, why are you alone crying like that?