Russia offers India joint design and production of non-nuclear submarines

Moscow has officially notified New Delhi that it is refusing to participate in the tender for the purchase by India of six Project-75(I) submarines. India announced a competition for the supply of submarines based on partnership with foreign companies back in 2021.

Instead, the Russian side is offering India joint design and production of non-nuclear submarines of this class based on the Russian Amur-1650 project. Vladimir Drozhzhov, Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS), announced this at the Aero India 13 exhibition that began on February 2023 in Bangalore, India.

The proposal of the Russian side includes the joint design and production of a national non-nuclear submarine in India on the basis of an intergovernmental agreement.

Taking into account our experience of working with the Indian side on other naval projects, the localization of production in the implementation of the program based on the Russian platform Amur-1650 can be increased to 70-80%

- said the representative of the FSMTC of Russia RIA News.

According to the official, as an air-independent power plant, the Indian side is offered a choice of an engine of Russian, Indian or joint production. Drozhzhov added that such cooperation fits into the framework of a long-term partnership between the two countries in terms of the supply and production of Russian-style military equipment and, at the same time, fully complies with the “Make in India” principle.

Submarines of the Amur class are a modernized version of the project 636 Varshavyanka and are positioned as an export version of the submarines of the project 677 Lada. The fourth-generation submarine in the export version has improved acoustic stealth, new combat systems and the option of installing an anaerobic air-independent power plant (VNEU).

The Amur-1650 project involves the creation of a submarine with a diving depth of up to 300 meters, a speed of 19/22 knots, an autonomy of 45 days and a crew of 35 people. The submarine can be armed with Kalibr or Brahmos missiles of joint Russian-Indian development, torpedoes and mines.

If Moscow's proposal is accepted by the Indian leadership, this will strengthen and develop the strategic partnership between the two countries in terms of the supply and joint production of Russian weapons, which began back in Soviet times. Such a decision is also important given the fact that the United States and NATO allies are actively putting pressure on New Delhi, trying to oust the Russian Federation from the sale of Russian weapons to this country.

Comments

[voice of reason]

Here comes the news one by one. Either the "armature" of India was offered, then the submarines. So India is a candidate for a key anti-Chinese player in the "Pacific NATO" auction. They are strenuously trying to push their foreheads in order to drag them into a meat grinder in mountainous regions. They are molding something like Ukraine from India, only not against Russia, but against China. They count on inexhaustible human resources - they have worked out experience in mobilization. Yes, and for a long time, they are accustomed to using sepoys and Gurkhas in their imperialist wars. so is it worth it for us to strengthen India with military-technical cooperation. Or are these wise signals to the Chinese comrades, so that they keep in mind ... After all, they themselves can buy these boats and tanks from us. The East is a delicate matter, you won’t immediately understand what it is, commercial indelicacy towards an ally or part of a Byzantine intrigue ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: voice of reason

Here comes the news one by one.

the first time a plus slapped you ... you forgot how they threw turbans from the SU-57.

[fruc]

I think that the Indian side has found another seller of submarines. And the proposal for joint development and production, an attempt to somehow keep the Indian market.

[Serg65]

Quote: voice of reason

East is a delicate matter

Therefore, do not rush to draw rash conclusions!

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Instead, the Russian side is offering India joint design and production of non-nuclear submarines of this class based on the Russian Amur-1650 project.

In other words: we give you the remnants of our Soviet backlog, and you make something more modern out of it. You see, we have already exhausted our competencies, so maybe your engineers will come up with something.
After I learned that the effective manager L. Sidorenko, who had never been a designer before, became the General Designer of Rubin, I immediately thought that "the Kalabukhov house was gone." And now I see that he really disappeared.

[rocket757]

Russia offers India joint design and production of non-nuclear submarines

Around India, now, active "dances" are going on.
The power is big, not poor, for some reason ...
So everything is expected, there is nothing new in this.

[Doccor18]

Quote: rocket757

everything is expected, nothing new in this

It would be very nice if...
1. "Partners" will put pressure on India now.
2. VNEU technologies seem to have not taken off with us, but competitors have them ...
3. The Indians themselves have little experience in this area, so they are unlikely to be able to bring a really meaningful breakthrough to a joint project - this is all from the minuses.
Of the pluses - no one in the world will offer Indians such a level of localization.
What will tip the scales? Let's live -
we'll see.

[Wildcat]

Nothing will override. And in principle, this is not a question of "tomorrow".

Taking into account paragraphs 1-3, we will be supported in the next tender to bring down the price. They will really compete for the next generation of Indian submarines. Koreans, Germans, French, Swedes and Japanese. The leaders are the French, because there is Scorpio.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Wildcat

The leaders are the French, because there is Scorpio.

Perhaps yes.
Japanese Oryu Indians still do not shine.

[Wildcat]

I agree that the story with the Japanese is very complicated, there are big restrictions on the "armed forces" of the AKA "self-defense forces" and the export of weapons.

But the Japanese can "fire up" in terms of arms exports. Last year, a "big gun pie" suddenly appeared, which is consumed by neighbors - yu. the Koreans (one "Polish contract" is worth something) and the Israelis (even deliver to Denmark) - while the rest of the "arms-manufacturing powers" are frantically working with an "eye on the NWO".

The Japanese IMHO have a very strong military-industrial complex, against the backdrop of economic problems and the obvious "overproduction of toilet bowls with a control panel" they can start selling weapons - they have a full range, from rifles and BTs to ships and air defense systems.
But this IMHO is a very difficult question, I didn’t even come across sensible texts on this topic ....

[tralflot1832]

India plans to sign contracts in Bangalore with the transfer of technology for $ 9,1 billion, hence the dancing with a tambourine, the USA even brought the F35 from Alaska. it was unpleasant.

[Vashek]

Hardly. The Russian Federation still does not have an air-independent propulsion system.

[NDR-791]

Quote from Vashek

Hardly. The Russian Federation still does not have an air-independent propulsion system.

So this is for yourself. And for sale they say that there is

The fourth-generation submarine in the export version has improved acoustic stealth, new combat systems and the option of installing an anaerobic air-independent power plant (VNEU).

And for yourself, you don’t even need improved acoustic stealth, and that’s fine. Or is this a marketing ploy so that the enemy does not guess

[rotmistr60]

Quote: rocket757

Around India, now, active "dances" are going on.

This is for sure, and more provocative than on Bollywood screens. The American "dancer", turning on all his charm and waving banknotes, is trying to take the Indian girl away from under the noses of other applicants.

[solar]

as an air-independent power plant, the Indian side is offered a choice of a Russian engine ...

Does such an engine exist?

[Galleon]

Looked now archives of the Internet. The Indians do not supply weapons to the Armed Forces; once last year they sent them medicines through humanitarian aid. It can be fully assumed that the future "Varshavyanka" will not fall into the hands of our enemies.
In this war, the Indians are profiting by taking our oil at a strong cheap price and selling processed products to the West, thus depriving us of profit. This mechanism for depriving Russia of profits from oil exports is conceived in the West and works with their permission and approval.
Should I teach these disco dancers how to build submarines?

[Arcius Long]

With such reasoning, we are generally out of the arms market. You either take risks and sell weapons to others. Or you don’t take risks and puppet on your own territory, but without huge incomes, and without access to neighbors’ technologies. An outside perspective is always helpful.
And at the expense of risks, absolutely any resource sold over the hill can be directed against your own country, one way or another. However, you cannot live without trade.

[Sergey39]

It is interesting that Our shipbuilders offered Our VND to the Indians, but what is it ready for Us and is it used on diesel submarines?

[tralflot1832]

We have something to chase AUGs on. And in the event of a war, AUGs will not go at 20 knot speed. Do you want to live quietly on the avik, "gas pedal to the floor." Reactors allow. for a long time.

[egorMTG]

- Amateur question: - has there been an attempt to use vertical-shot torpedoes in the history of the development of the submarine fleet ...? For example, during the attack of a destroyer on a p / boat, at a moment when its bottom was above the boat at a fairly close distance ...? After all, several small torpedoes located in the so-called apparatus at the rear of the wheelhouse could solve the problem of "hunting" an anti-submarine ship for a boat ... Is this, for some reason, impossible? ...

[K298rtm]

As one hero said in an old Soviet film: ".... money should be jammed, not tickled."
Maybe suggest India to jointly build nuclear submarines. We have much more competence in this area.

[arkadiyssk]

More competencies in the Premier League? Have we even mastered a reactor with an active zone for the entire life of the boat for ourselves? Or do we just intend to?

[Normann]

Where did VNEU come from? Frets for how many years they could not supply our fleet with them, and then oops

an option to install an anaerobic air-independent power plant (VNEU).

The main word, probably, is the installation option, it is not indicated that it will be produced by the Russian Federation.

[Ilgizl]

Joint ventures are beneficial to the party that does not have these technologies. China has adopted technology from us, now it is one of the competitors in the market.