"The dead have no shame." And the living

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"The dead have no shame." And the living

Spring is coming. And new problems begin at the forefront. So far, they are silent about them, but soon the problems will hit both us and the enemy so much that it will no longer be possible to silence them. Winter not only makes it difficult to conduct hostilities, but also hides those who die in foreign territory. Hides the corpses of the dead.

They are covered with snow, they lie under a thin layer of earth, covered with an explosion of a shell or mine. Corpses are eaten by wild animals and feral dogs. Soldiers stumble over them. And they lie. Both our and not our dead fighters are lying. They lie simply because this war is in many ways brutal.



It differs from those that were in the beginning and in the middle of the last century. Now snipers hunt not only for enemy soldiers, but also for orderlies, for funeral teams. The main thing is to kill the enemy. This is the glory of this war. Hence the bestial attitude towards the dead soldiers and officers.

I understand that for the command, and for the family of the deceased, this is not a bad idea. For some, this is an opportunity to report that there are fewer dead, there are missing people. So they were probably captured or even deserted. For others, it is the hope that their soldier is alive. It's just that in the military confusion, he can't tell where he is yet.

Yes, and "selfish interest" is present here. No confirmed death - no payouts due. Alas, but this is also a fact. How many times has this question been raised on various resources. Everyone was indignant, but... The law is what it is. Until then, he hasn't changed. So it was, and so it probably will be. So far, neither side has reported who was taken prisoner. And the corpses lie.

Why have we lost our human form?


Any war is accompanied by the death of military personnel. This is an axiom. Moreover, soldiers die in the most unexpected places. Sometimes finding the deceased is a problem. A wrecked tank or plane often becomes the grave of a serviceman. But even under these conditions, there is a whole procedure for recognizing a soldier as dead.

Today we are talking about those who died in the open field. Those who lie in the neutral zone. Those who lie in morgues on enemy territory. Those who are deliberately not removed from the battlefield, used as bait. And, alas, there are enough of them on both sides. And it's not about quantity. Even one such corpse is a person, and he demands worthy respect for himself.

We often recall past wars, comparing us today and us from the past. We compare on many indicators, except for the attitude towards the dead. We avoid this topic, pretending that this is not a significant problem at all. And it's worth comparing. Then people behaved like human beings. During the day, the battle, and at night the work of orderlies and funeral attendants. They collect the wounded, collect the corpses of the dead, so that tomorrow they can start killing again.

Even during the Second World War, shooting at orderlies and funeral crews was an out of the ordinary case. Everyone understood perfectly well why and why this must be done immediately. They also understood that getting a bullet from some psychopath is quite real. But the human prevailed over the animal.

The commanders of units and subunits were not afraid then to negotiate with the enemy about the dead. Today, I don't recall that such negotiations were conducted at all. Maybe somewhere under the carpet? I don't know. Only Wagner is somehow able to negotiate such an exchange. This I remembered the heroes-pilots. There is no trust in an officer's word today. Alas, but it is.

It would seem that it would be easier to collect the corpses of the enemy and exchange them for the corpses of our dead. Bash on bash. Everyone we could find, everyone they found. But, as it turned out, it is almost impossible today. They don't trust us, we trust them. The commanders do not believe that at “X” hour someone will not start shooting at the unarmed. In short, it is not accepted today at the forefront.

The war has fizzled out. Kill, and then at least the grass does not grow. A good opponent is a dead opponent. And it does not matter at all what will happen to this enemy next. Dogs will eat or crows will peck, it does not matter. And the soldiers walk almost over the corpses of enemies all winter. And some and on the corpses of their own comrades.

When I see footage of the enemy positions we have occupied, it is striking that there, in the trenches recently occupied by the enemy, are the corpses of long-dead soldiers. They don't even remove their own from our trenches. “The dead have no shame,” but we are alive. And Ukrainian soldiers are alive... among the dead.

In vain we think that the corpses will not take revenge. There will be, and how. And soon.

If you don't respect the dead, they will make you respect yourself.


It was not in vain that I wrote that the problem of uncleaned corpses will soon rise to its full height. The dead will take revenge on the living. The dead will make us, everyone, on both sides, respect ourselves. Forced by force. And there is no getting away from it. Spring will do its job.

The corpses will begin to decompose. Sorry for the details, but this is a medical fact, as one literary hero said. A corpse, especially in the climatic conditions of Ukraine, is a bacteriological time bomb. The warmer the weather, the higher the risk of infection for personnel and civilians.

Normal commanders have always understood this. I remember the story of my mother, who, as a very young girl, participated in the collection of the corpses of those killed in the Battle of Kursk. Then the Soviet command asked the civilian population to help. Mother, due to her age, got to collect her arms, legs, heads ...

They gathered everyone in a row and buried them in different funnels. Russians to Russians, Germans to Germans. True, there was a hitch with the tankers. Both of them were dressed in black overalls. So they buried them all together. Without parsing. Burnt corpses reconciled after death...

Why do opponents today forget the lessons of the Great Patriotic War? Why does anger deprive people of their minds? Strange, isn't it.

But no, it turned out that not everyone looks only at the sight of a machine gun or gun. There are those who have not lost their human form.

I rarely quote messages from Telegram, but in this case I will quote verbatim from the post of one of the Russian servicemen, Misha in the Donbass:

“Kind people helped me with contacts, and I contacted a fighter from 79 dshb on this topic (with the enemy).
I expressed my thoughts - at first he was stunned, but then he realized that I was not joking, and reacted positively.
Nevertheless, everything ended in nothing.
1,5 months passed, and the fighter got in touch with me and offered to resume the topic of the body swap, calculate how many we have, and conduct a one-to-one exchange. Briefly "make peace", and then cheerfully continue to kill each other.
In general, I don't mind."

There, on the front, in some "forest forest" (the local front-line name for the forest belt) shot through by artillery, ordinary soldiers and officers understand everything. And they see uncleaned corpses all the time. They are aware of the suffering of mothers and wives who live without any state support. They know that a soldier is a man.

I was "shocked" by the last phrase of the post. Some kind of hopelessness emanates from her. It seems that we understand everything, but we can’t do anything:

“It remains to be seen what management thinks about it. Considering the intensity of the fire, there are big doubts that everyone will happily agree to such an unpopular and very risky action.”

What happens? It turns out that simple trench warriors can agree, but commanders can’t? Although they do not walk on corpses.

Instead of conclusions


A lot changes in a war. But there are axioms of war that have not changed for thousands of years. Many tried to challenge these axioms, but this only led to big losses. I spoke about one of these axioms today. This is indeed a problem that needs to be addressed urgently, at the highest level.

Whether we like it or not, delay in this case is like death. Literally. Corpses, as sources of infection, can be perfectly used. precedents in stories are available. I don't think Pentagon advisers don't take this possibility into account. Moreover, I even admit the possibility of deliberate use of the situation by the enemy.

Negotiations will be difficult. Both to us and to Kyiv. This is an additional recognition of our own losses and the losses of the enemy. That will not have a very good effect on the image of the command and leadership of the country. But it must be done.

I do not think that the leadership will go to cover up losses. Although it is certainly possible to do so. Mass graves have not been canceled. Yes, and so many craters have been dug up that there will be enough not only for the dead, but for all the soldiers and officers of both armies combined.

Many are waiting for a specific proposal. I don't have such an offer. That's why I raised this topic so that such a proposal would appear. It doesn’t matter from whom, the main thing is that it be realizable.
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  1. +14
    15 February 2023 05: 19
    Everything hurts with one pain
    And sounds every day unceasingly
    The eternal burst of lamentations
    An echo of ancient prayers.
    We will meet you on foot and horseback,
    Tired, incomplete, - any.
    If only there was no emptiness of the funeral
    And their foreboding.
    1. +22
      15 February 2023 05: 30
      I agree with the author, except for one quote. The fact that a fighter is considered missing is the best option for the family. Unknown is the worst. How many years after the war, mothers and wives waited for their relatives.
      1. +11
        15 February 2023 07: 58
        1. There is no fight worse than between close relatives.
        2. A soldier, unfortunately, is a consumable unit during combat clashes and loses value, to the grief of relatives, after failure.
        3.
        I do not think that the leadership will go to cover up losses.
        until now, losses in the Second World War are the subject of political insinuations.
        1. +10
          15 February 2023 11: 39
          Grandfather said that after the battle (WWII), our and German funeral teams went and picked up the dead. At this time, no one was shooting at each other. And the Germans did not have common graves, each had their own, with a cross (if possible, they put a birch one)
          1. +3
            15 February 2023 23: 58
            Quote: Bad_gr
            And the Germans did not have common graves, each had their own, with a cross (if possible, they put a birch one)

            The cemetery is divided into perfect quadratic blocks with Hier Ruhen steles. They have endless German names: Goodstead, Kainz, Junk, Kaiser, there is even Gritler. With different dates of birth - 1916, 1908, 1923, 1909, but with almost the same dates of death - 1942, 1943, approximately from April to May.

            18 Nazi soldiers are buried on the slope, most of them killed during the Soviet offensive on the Blue Line.
            The principle of burial here is as follows: in a dug hole 25 by 28 meters, coffins are laid in rows, exactly 50 pieces, and in this way the entire square is filled. The coffins are collective, in one such square there are 1780 people. The relative, if he was able to be identified, receives a paper that says in which particular sector the buried lies. If desired, this can be detailed down to a specific coffin - the second row, the fifth grave - and it will be known exactly where to put the flowers.
            According to the stories of Corporal Helmut Klausman, "the dead were buried as best they could." If there was such an opportunity, separate graves were dug out for the deceased soldiers and placed in coffins. When the fighting was especially heavy, the dead were wrapped in capes or tarpaulins and simply laid in the pits left after the explosions of the shells.

            In such a pit, as many people were buried at a time as they died in this battle and could fit in it. Well, if they fled, then in general it was not up to the dead.

            Funeral directive of the USSR
            According to the recommendations, the grave had to be in a dry area. When it came to the city, priority was given to cemeteries, parks and squares. In other cases, groves, crossroads and mounds were considered the most suitable places.

            Soldiers were supposed to be placed in coffins in underwear, tunics, trousers and shoes. The depth of the grave had to be at least 1,5 meters and have an identification mark that indicated the soldier's personal data: name, rank, date of birth and death.
            1. -1
              17 February 2023 21: 01
              The funeral directive of the USSR in a real situation was almost never observed.
      2. +29
        15 February 2023 09: 58
        A fighter from the Ulyanovsk region died. In the tank. Nothing was left there, or they weren’t found. A lot of witnesses saw an explosion of ammunition. it didn't sound)
        1. +8
          15 February 2023 10: 22
          After a certain time, I don’t remember exactly, in the situation described, the fighter is declared dead.
        2. +16
          15 February 2023 13: 05
          According to the law, it is recognized as dead after 2 years, if there are witnesses, or 2 years after the end of hostilities. Now the Duma is considering a law to recognize the dead in six months, and not wait for the end of hostilities.
        3. +3
          16 February 2023 02: 06
          I just don't know, but I'm curious. Certain people are assigned to the equipment - the crew. And if during the conduct of hostilities it is destroyed as above, then they are considered missing? That the equipment itself was driving, shooting, or were there some other people there? Or did they allegedly manage to get out and go not to their own, but to the enemy by mistake, or were they immediately taken prisoner?
          1. +3
            16 February 2023 09: 59
            The laws are the same, and not only here. For example, the conflict of 08.08.08. The crew of a Georgian tank was killed by a b / c detonation. All the participants in that battle have already written memoirs. Ossetian militias wrote how they fired from RPGs, Georgian commanders wrote how they were sent into battle, ordinary soldiers wrote how they spoke on radio stations before the explosion. The names of the participants are known. But the Georgian crew in Georgia is still considered missing
          2. +1
            17 February 2023 16: 37
            An acquaintance in the 14th year was a volunteer in the Donbass. He told how the armored personnel carrier in front of them was blown up by a landmine and the bk detonated. Only molecular examination could prove that they died in this armored personnel carrier.
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      4. +1
        18 February 2023 16: 55
        Grandmother was waiting for my Grandfather, who laid down his head near Kharkov in October 41 - until the mid-70s.
        Maybe he lost his memory, maybe he became disabled, maybe another one came out ...
        But I was waiting...
        Painful and poignant.
        The war is now, among other things, because we regretted then, after the Victory, both the Nazis and Bandera.
        I want conclusions to be drawn.
    2. +1
      15 February 2023 11: 41
      On the other hand: how do the humanists of Europe and the West look at the atrocities? When will they call for world values?
      It is useless to civilize us, but Euro-Uhrs could comply with the standards of Britain and the United States
      1. +6
        15 February 2023 16: 09
        Well, thank you, ask the residents of Song My or My Lae about the Anglo-Saxon standards and the list goes on, so it’s still not known who is better.
  2. +5
    15 February 2023 05: 54
    Working with corpses in a war requires strong nerves ... otherwise you can go crazy from seeing an endless number of mutilated bodies of people.
    Can prisoners be entrusted with this work?
    1. +12
      15 February 2023 08: 34
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Can prisoners be entrusted with this work?


      wrote more than once, there is a village of Myasnoy Bor nearby, this place is famous - it is believed that the 2nd Shock Army remained (and by all accounts surrendered) there ...
      40 years ago, the Red Army soldiers lay in a chain, with weapons in new American boots (remember the winter of 41-42, frost?) Nobody buried them, because. labeled as traitors...
      those who were involved in the reburial were treated as "black diggers", with contempt and persecution, the Germans and Spaniards also had cemeteries there, small but orderly
      unburied Germans, in large numbers were in the south of Novgorod, near Staraya Russa, in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe Ramushevsky corridor, there for the first time I saw the "geheimfeldpolizei" plaque
      therefore, the article correctly raises the question - about the dead - the generals do not need this - they need "asterisks"
    2. +11
      16 February 2023 02: 35
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Can prisoners be entrusted with this work?


      Or maybe funeral teams need to be formed from those generals of the Ministry of Defense whose soldiers are still hundreds and thousands lying unidentified and not buried ....
      1. +2
        16 February 2023 05: 02
        Where do you get so many generals? request
        It is sometimes difficult to pull a dead person out of a ravine, a thicket of bushes or some kind of pit ... a lot of people are needed here.
        1. +1
          17 February 2023 00: 49
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Where do you get so many generals?

          In spasaloons, jacuzzis and brothels for VIP. hi
        2. +1
          17 February 2023 16: 35
          It is not necessary to equalize ALL generals. There are parquet warriors and warriors who have passed all stages of service from lieutenant to general. This is not correct.
    3. +2
      16 February 2023 14: 12
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      otherwise, from seeing an infinite number of mutilated bodies of people, you can go crazy.
      Can prisoners be entrusted with this work?

      Sorry, but this is nonsense. You can "go crazy" when your .... friend, shatters into pieces in an instant, the other quietly goes out in a minute from a small hole, the third leaves and you will never see him again .....
      Like in that song, about a moment between the past and the future ... the rest is routine
  3. +8
    15 February 2023 06: 02
    With a sigh, the knight around him
    Looking with sad eyes.
    "O field, field, who are you
    Dotted with dead bones?" (c)
  4. +15
    15 February 2023 06: 21
    The questions raised by the author deserve attention and need to be addressed. During the Second World War, there were full-time funeral teams, whose task was this. Today, out of mercy, our soldiers are burying those killed by the enemy in the liberated territory. Things are more difficult with our dead and those who ended up on the territory occupied by the enemy. But even in this case, it is necessary to use the example of LDNR fighters and volunteers from 2014 for the exchange of the dead.
    1. +7
      15 February 2023 12: 34
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The questions raised by the author deserve attention and need to be addressed. During the Second World War, there were full-time funeral teams, whose task was this. Today, out of mercy, our soldiers are burying those killed by the enemy in the liberated territory. Things are more difficult with our dead and those who ended up on the territory occupied by the enemy. But even in this case, it is necessary to use the example of LDNR fighters and volunteers from 2014 for the exchange of the dead.

      Let's go without stamps, telegrams from both sides are littered with both photo / video in the style of “there is another orc / Nazi dead and let it rot”, and opposite “we bury yours, be human” ... and this is due to a banal reason - to the bodies of the big bosses of the case no, they have their own "games", that's why there is no body return system ...
    2. +1
      16 February 2023 10: 17
      No one on the side of the Ukrainians will agree with you on the exchange of the dead. There is so much hatred towards ours that they don’t feel sorry for their own. Moreover, it is beneficial for them when all the dead are considered missing.
      So Ukrainian non-Russians must be destroyed. Well, after the war, figure out who is whose and where. Moreover, ours are still trying with all their might to pull out our dead. True, there are not many of them. There are many more Ukrainians. In general, they try not to pull out their own. That's how they were brought up. Often even their wounded are abandoned
      to save your own skin.
  5. +6
    15 February 2023 06: 27
    Firstly, there were no special cold weather in the Donbass this winter. Secondly, it is necessary to build fortifications, ramparts and ditches, abandon the "coal" and go on the defensive, then we will solve the floor of the problem. Thirdly, it's good that the author finally "descended from heaven to earth", previously he was extremely optimistic ...
    1. +14
      15 February 2023 10: 20
      And what will this defense give? Defense wars are not won
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    2. -6
      15 February 2023 20: 05
      Another couch strategist .. Cho didn’t run away either or did not fall under mobilization as a "worker of art"? The process that you suggested at the household level is called cutting off the tail in pieces You didn’t notice, apparently you’re on a parallel street from the military theme, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been digging into the ground for 8 years, but in these directions our group has advanced a ridiculous 10-20 km in a year .. But according to NT, the SBU lost dead, wounded, missing up to seven hundred thousand. irretrievable, killed, crippled about three hundred thousand .. And you offer this fate to our fighters ??
  6. +7
    15 February 2023 06: 55
    In place of the dead Russians and Ukrainians, there should be Anglo-Saxons and their hangers-on, in numbers exceeding 10 times so !!!!!!
  7. +6
    15 February 2023 07: 06
    I remember the story of my mother, who, as a very young girl, participated in the collection of the corpses of those killed in the Battle of Kursk. Then the Soviet command asked the civilian population to help
    That is, they were collected in the rear? I think this is not difficult to organize, although now everything is for money. Clean up on the front line, when you yourself can remain uncleaned, thank you.
    1. +13
      15 February 2023 07: 29
      Quote: Gardamir
      To clean up on the front line, when you yourself can remain uncleaned, thank you.

      Judging by how many corpses remained in the fields during the war, there was no one to do this.
      And yes - "Even during the Second World War, shooting at orderlies and funeral teams was an out-of-the-ordinary case. Everyone understood perfectly why and why this must be done right away. ............
      The commanders of units and subdivisions were not afraid then to negotiate with the enemy about the dead.
      - I am tormented by strong doubts about the negotiations between ours and the Nazis. Even at a conditionally company level.
      1. +4
        15 February 2023 09: 50
        negotiations are unlikely, but in some special situation they could shout something like "we will remove ours from the neutral zone tomorrow, and you will remove yours the day after tomorrow." But no guarantees anyway.
        At the company level, it is generally difficult to agree on this. Agree, and tomorrow the order to attack, for example.
      2. +10
        15 February 2023 09: 59
        Quote: your1970
        strong doubts about the negotiations between ours and the Nazis

        HZ. It is unlikely that anyone reported about this, but the fact that they didn’t shoot at the nurses on purpose, my grandmother told. Maybe they shouted at each other somehow before crawling. In the neutral zone, ours dragged away their wounded, the German orderlies theirs, and no one fired at them. Yes, during the artillery preparation, someone could be whipped, but the soldiers did not shoot at the orderlies. She didn't tell me about the funeral directors, but she didn't ask, because she was too small.
      3. +5
        15 February 2023 10: 23
        During the Second World War, the positions of officers were occupied by people whose combat experience was acquired during World War I. They understood perfectly well that any negotiations on the ground easily develop into a "negotiable", and there it is not far from fraternization.
        Any contact with the enemy was decisively suppressed. Until the shooting.

        If now the soldiers stop firing even for a little while, then later they may not want to start again. Especially mobilized.

        Do you think why Ukraine and the Russian Federation cut off the access of their citizens to someone else's domain zone and cut off someone else's television broadcasting?)
        In fact, the list of claims from ukrov to their government coincides with ours.

        Why don't your kids fight?
        Where is the money?
        How long will this go on?
        Well, and so on..
        1. +4
          15 February 2023 16: 51
          Right!
          "If our soldiers understood why we are fighting, it would be impossible to wage a single war"
          Friedrich 2nd
        2. -1
          17 February 2023 16: 45
          Something tsipsoshniks constantly squeal on our websites and in social networks. There is no control over them.
      4. 0
        16 February 2023 10: 22
        These are rare special cases when a shootout was not possible. And so, when an enemy was detected, fire was immediately opened in the overwhelming number of cases, no matter what it was, a funeral team or anyone else. Yes, and there were practically no exchanges.
      5. +1
        17 February 2023 13: 25
        It all depends on specific people. And in the domestic, and now. My father told how in 1944 in Lithuania an abandoned farm turned out to be in no man's land. So both ours and the Germans went there at night for cattle. Without agreeing, ours see that the Germans are coming, they didn’t climb, and vice versa. No one touched such teams until some special officer found out.
    2. +5
      15 February 2023 10: 20
      Actually, the Battle of Kursk was not a static battle, the Nazis started moving, then ours
  8. +5
    15 February 2023 08: 25
    "The war is not over until the last soldier is buried" (c) A.V. Suvorov.
  9. +11
    15 February 2023 09: 51
    It's simple.
    Deputies and VIP officials are legally protected from conscription and Special Operations.
    The oligarchs and their children are illegally protected. The maximum, I remember, was that they reported the death of an elderly VIP manager in his house from the other side. (even writing about their property was not comme il faut). So it doesn't concern them.

    So why should they worry? In a number of media, their deceased is immediately called a Nazi. It is necessary to maintain the incandescence. Also do not care to think about burials. (out in Chechnya, it is still not clear how many were killed, by whom, and for example, children were killed)

    If one of the goals is to sow discord, then so be it. The velvet seal wars ended before WW1.
  10. +3
    15 February 2023 12: 36
    War and Death are already here. The plague is coming. Who is the fourth?
    1. +3
      15 February 2023 17: 13
      War and Death are already here. The plague is coming. Who is the fourth?

      hunger
  11. +3
    15 February 2023 12: 38
    Quote: Bad_gr
    Grandfather said that after the battle (WWII), our and German funeral teams went and picked up the dead. At this time, no one was shooting at each other. And the Germans did not have common graves, each had their own, with a cross (if possible, they put a birch one)

    At the start of the war, yes. Everyone has their own. At the end of the war - in bulk.
  12. +5
    15 February 2023 12: 46
    The more destroyed, killed, infected, the better, according to the Anglo-Saxons. And on both sides.
    Unlike WWII, where full-time armies converged in battles, now there are dozens of “dobrobats”, terbats, independent “regiments”, national / nationalist formations, mercenaries of all sorts and colors from PMCs who do not really obey anyone. In fact, a picture of the times of the civil war in the Republic of Ingushetia or in Spain, when there were black, green, red-black, black-red and still do not understand what formations were between white and red.
    So an exact count of the dead is in principle not possible.
    And the fact that the war zone is an ecological disaster zone has become clear since the days of Vietnam.
    It is also surprising that with the rapid development of modern medicine, there are so many sanitary losses.
    As for pilots, tankers and other personnel with a high probability of not being identified in the event of death, here it is necessary to make amendments and some simplifications to the laws.
    The BMP took off with full tanks of fuel - there genetic examination will not always help. And if the tank is full of ammunition, then there is nothing to bury there.
  13. +1
    15 February 2023 18: 49
    Amer absolutely do not care how many corpses are lying around. The bigger, the better. It was not for this that the Bandera people were trained for so many years, so that later they would be paid money to the women. Biowaste spent for the benefit of America, it is irrational to spend money on it. it can’t reach the saucepans in any way, and therefore they lament over their missing persons.
    At the very least, they negotiated with the Germans during the war, but remind me of at least one case when they negotiated with Bandera.
    1. +2
      16 February 2023 02: 40
      Quote: fuffi
      At the very least, they negotiated with the Germans during the war, but remind me of at least one case when they negotiated with Bandera.

      We periodically exchange prisoners with Bandera, which means that we can agree on the dead, BUT THIS IS NOT FAVORABLE for Kyiv or Moscow, no one wants to receive additional financial and image losses ....
  14. 0
    15 February 2023 20: 32
    A very deep topic ... Undoubtedly important and relevant ... And as before, the song whether the Russians want wars is relevant ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEy5ylYaT0
    Who knows what war is, never wants to repeat it...
  15. Uno
    +3
    15 February 2023 20: 45
    They even managed to translate such a topic into Anglo-Saxons and hucksters in power
    1. +1
      16 February 2023 14: 08
      So the Anglo-Saxons did everything to make this war inevitable and will do everything to continue it - until Russia is defeated.

      As it was rightly noted here - instead of the dead Slavs (on both sides) there should be Anglo-Saxons and those who serve them - then peace will increase sharply in the ranks of those who want peace.
  16. +3
    15 February 2023 21: 04
    Thanks to the author, a really important topic! hi
  17. 0
    15 February 2023 21: 48
    They are covered with snow, they lie under a thin layer of earth, covered with an explosion of a shell or mine. Corpses are eaten by wild animals and feral dogs. Soldiers stumble over them. And they lie. Both our and not our dead fighters are lying. They lie simply because this war is in many ways brutal.
    ...
    Negotiations will be difficult. Both to us and to Kyiv. This is an additional recognition of our own losses and the losses of the enemy. That will not have a very good effect on the image of the command and leadership of the country. But it must be done
    I did not expect from the author, but I agree with him!
    1. +1
      15 February 2023 22: 26
      yes, I also did not expect from the author and completely agree! After all, "I saw a fascist, kill!" it wasn’t invented today, but about certain unspoken rules in WW2 - I read and heard it repeatedly ..
  18. +1
    16 February 2023 00: 09
    Quote: author
    Many are waiting for a specific proposal. I don't have such an offer.

    can take an example from the IDF?
    The army is fully responsible for everything that happens to the military during his service, including, of course, for his death. And it does not matter at all when the tragedy occurred - in the midst of hostilities or in peacetime. Whether he died in battle or something happened to him on his leave, on his day off.

    with Modim?
    Directive "Hannibal"?
    In the end, Abramovich personally goes to hand over the captured "Azov", gives them buns, frees British mercenaries ...
    Maybe he can fly to Zelensky, Zalyzhny and rub this issue out.
    Does he have a conscience?
    1. +1
      16 February 2023 07: 49
      Quote from Digger
      Maybe he can fly to Zelensky, Zalyzhny and rub this issue out.
      Does he have a conscience?

      This family has no conscience. There is nothing there, except for the desire for power at any cost (money is already above the roof) This surname and her (surname) like
      Quote from Digger
      can take an example from the IDF?

      And in what war did this guard participate? At your beach? So in my yard the boys are constantly fighting between cars. Compared too)))) tsakhal)))
      1. 0
        17 February 2023 17: 36
        Quote: Shark Lover
        And in what war did this guard participate? At your beach? So in my yard the boys are constantly fighting between cars. Compared too)))) tsakhal)))

        I do not agree.
        Operation Moked is beautiful and very correct.
        The Mitla Pass with the remains of Egyptian armored vehicles is a performance.
        Jews are not to blame for fleeing from them.
    2. 0
      16 February 2023 14: 32
      Quote from Digger
      ...Abramovich...


      ... is a prominent representative of the "new Russians" - who snatched his fortune according to muddy schemes. Usually the first generation enjoys their wealth. Starting from the second generation, a reasonable attitude towards their capital is manifested - it begins to work to eliminate poverty not from its neighbor.
      ............

      Why is Medvedchuk bad for these purposes?
      His GDP is promoting - so let him show what he is capable of in this direction - but no more.
      1. 0
        17 February 2023 17: 39
        Quote: Simple
        Why is Medvedchuk bad for these purposes?

        mind me, mind me.
        He does not shake hands in Kyiv.
        Do you want Russia to exchange 200 Azov captives for this creature again?
        He will be arrested immediately (this time not in the basement, but right at the gangway)
        And Abrrramovich, he suits everyone. But he doesn’t need it. He is ALIEN (and not only to you, but to humanity in general)
  19. +2
    16 February 2023 00: 10
    Hey, author, why the photo in the title of the post has nothing to do with CBO?
  20. 0
    16 February 2023 04: 54
    the author is a provocateur and idiot, a purposeful article, calls for dangerous cleaning of corpses at the expense of the life and health of personnel on the front line or negotiating with the enemy. This problem is solved solely at the discretion of the participants in the hostilities themselves and everything is done according to the circumstances, and not reasoning from sofas, as not so long ago, the problem of unshaven soldier cheeks on the front line was raised by some kind of parquet generals.
    1. -1
      17 February 2023 13: 37
      During World War II, there was a strict unspoken rule in intelligence that “we don’t leave our own,” no matter the wounded or killed. By the way, the Germans knew this and often used it, but they still tried to get everyone out. Sometimes because of one losing a few more people. True, this was not the case in ordinary infantry.
  21. 0
    16 February 2023 06: 34
    They don't trust us, we trust them. The commanders do not believe that at “X” hour someone will not start shooting at the unarmed. In short, it is not accepted today at the forefront.[i] [/ i]
    One respected author fell silent, no one believes HIS command and government, on both sides! This is the strength of Wagner and Akhmat, that they do not throw each other, Prigozhin and Kadyrov are in the same row from the first minute of the operation! And we still (and they) are undergoing incomprehensible reshuffles, statements by the main ones (although ours has subsided something) in which they are ultimately violated by them, constant reshuffles in the leadership .... Well, now let's put ourselves in the shoes of commanders. .. I personally would not negotiate with showmen!
  22. -3
    16 February 2023 09: 09
    so that the corpse of a soldier is not found, or not searched, it is necessary that the unit in which the deceased served was completely destroyed during the retreat, together with the higher command, and the area where the fighting took place was behind enemy lines. with those millimeter movements that occur on the LBS, this is clearly unrealistic (this is me about the terrain), and it can never be (this is about completely dead units)
    the passage about the corpses of friends in the trenches, on which everyone walks, frankly touched, the author clearly re-read the remark and barbusse, and is trying to pull an owl .., that is, to project the reality of that time onto today's realities. and even more precisely, the author discovered a tearful topic for himself, on which he and his admirers will now speculate. Haven't read the comments yet, but the boil has already begun. sometimes I think it would have happened if the staver had not pointed out some problem in time. Here, it turns out, no one buried the dead either. but now, after this opus, everyone, of course, will begin to bury, and not walk on them, as always
  23. +1
    16 February 2023 09: 49
    He used to say a short prayer for the dead over every dead person, if there was time.
    I didn’t read it once, I dreamed of three fighters at once ...
  24. +1
    16 February 2023 10: 55
    48 answers and not a single sentence ... Who has lost the ability to negotiate in such matters? Isn't it time for the ministers of war to solve these problems with personal participation, having stipulated the time, place and form for the funeral teams (so that it can not be confused). The topic is really difficult, and it is impossible to put it off indefinitely.
    If such a situation exists, then all these propaganda programs are obliged to cover it. Enough with the hymns, it's time to deal with the problem.
    * * *
    The author can raise a question through the deputies of the State Duma. They are shown daily on various channels ...
  25. 0
    16 February 2023 14: 46
    There are prisoners, they may well do this. There is a local population (no one has canceled the 15 day workers who are used at work) everything has long been invented.
  26. 0
    16 February 2023 16: 37
    I remembered Tsoi
    War is the business of the young,
    Medicine against relics.
    In my opinion, the song will acquire a new content!
  27. +2
    16 February 2023 22: 32
    What the hell??!!
    In Mariupol, we had no water in the spring, many had no water in the summer, the corpses decomposed in the ruins of Ordzhonikidzevsky (after decommunization - the Left Bank District) and not only there, but no epidemic happened. The morgue near the Metro complex, where humanitarian aid was given out, was literally littered with the corpses of soldiers and civilians. For a very long time, you didn’t mess around with garbage at all, but there was already a summer heat and the sewerage did not work.
    Oh and the author...
  28. 0
    16 February 2023 22: 43
    It is very painful to read and see this, but being a realist, I can only suggest, by organizing special funeral teams, to follow our troops in order to organize a funeral. Negotiations with the Armed Forces of Ukraine are unfortunately unlikely.
  29. 0
    17 February 2023 09: 10
    I do not think that the leadership will go to cover up losses. Although it is certainly possible to do so.


    Certainly not. The dead, the missing - all are included in the column of "irretrievable losses." In our time, the disappearance of a person (citizen) is not realistic, we leave too many traces of stay (officially documented) in our mortal world.
  30. +1
    17 February 2023 14: 43
    Funeral teams need to be formed from politicians and businessmen. On the one hand, the corpses will be collected by those who continued to destroy the civilian population of Donbass and did not even plan to stop, and on the other hand, the corpses will be collected by those who could solve all the problems in 2014/15, bypassing such a number of victims.
  31. 0
    17 February 2023 23: 37
    VSUki are damned, they don’t bury their own, and they don’t let us bury ours with dignity.
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine have completely degraded.
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  33. 0
    19 February 2023 07: 59
    "The dead have no shame." And the living????
    "The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and there is no more reward for them, because the memory of them is forgotten. Their love, and hatred, and jealousy have disappeared, and they will never have a share in anything that is being done under the sun. "
    If a Man has no Conscience, he has no God.
  34. +1
    19 February 2023 11: 13
    The most important customers of this war are more profitable oskotinirovanie. Firstly, historically, they are still cattle in themselves, and secondly, this bribery is a banal bookmark for the coming decades, so that even after half a century the inhabitants of Odessa and Kiev will remember that the Muscovites killed their grandfather’s folder, and then his dog’s corpse was dragged across the steppes , well, and, accordingly, the inhabitants of central Russia considered every hacker a Bandera vykomysh, a grandfather folder, whom he mocked at the prisoners. Nothing personal, just planning the post-war world for decades to come.