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Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki confirmed Warsaw's plans to supply Ukraine with PT-91 Twardy and Leopard 2A4 tanks

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Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki confirmed Warsaw's plans to supply Ukraine with PT-91 Twardy and Leopard 2A4 tanks

Poland confirmed plans to transfer to Ukraine not only German tanks Leopard, but also Soviet T-72s. This was stated by Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki following the results with his Swedish counterpart Ulf Kristersson.


Since the beginning of the military conflict, Poland has already transferred 250 T-72 tanks to Ukraine from the presence of its own army, but Warsaw decided not to limit itself to this and the Polish leadership plans to transfer another 60 modernized T-72 and PT-91 Twardy tanks to Kiev. In addition, the Poles are transferring 14 Leopard 2A4 battle tanks to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. According to Morawiecki, Poland intends to support Ukraine and provide it with military assistance "as much as necessary."

Poland has already delivered 250 post-Soviet tanks. We also plan to deliver another additional upgraded 60 tanks and another 14 Leopard

- said the Polish prime minister.

Recently, Poland has been climbing out of its skin to take a leading position in Europe, displacing Germany and France from the pedestal. It was Poland that initiated the creation of the so-called "tank coalition", which, with its statements, forced Germany to allow the re-export of German tanks to Ukraine. Poland also actively supports Ukraine, pursuing the US policy of destroying Russia at the hands of Ukrainians. It is not surprising that the largest number of Polish mercenaries are fighting in Ukraine and this is not a problem for the country's authorities.

Meanwhile, in Kyiv, they are waiting for the first batch of up to 140 German-made tanks to arrive. Zelensky hurries his sponsors, saying that they may not be in time with the supplies and it will be too late, the Russian army will break the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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  1. Carat
    Carat 13 February 2023 21: 18
    +3
    Zelensky hurries his sponsors, saying that they may not be in time with supplies and it will be too late, the Russian army will defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


    According to various estimates, the APU now consists of 650 to 1 million people. Plus mobresurs another 3 million. He's driving.
    1. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 13 February 2023 21: 52
      +7
      Numbers are a tricky thing. When the numbers 650k-1kk come up, you may get the feeling that this is a lot. But here it must be understood that a significant mass of these people are not very combat-ready or motivated, they are dispersed along a large front (including in depth), and the transfer of these segments in conditions of fast breakthroughs and air supremacy can be extremely difficult.
      Under conditions of a static front or low-intensity local battles, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can carry out local fortifications and rotation, under conditions of more powerful pressure and maneuvering, these forces can be hacked locally and enter the "operational space", capture some strategic objects or achieve an effective defensive configuration that allows artillery to work on such objects. In this scenario, the enemy will essentially have three choices - a spontaneous counteroffensive (where these forces can very quickly lose their combat effectiveness and come to decay), forced peace negotiations, large image losses and large-scale evacuation with unpredictable social services. consequences and the need to hastily build new echeloned defense lines.
      Without taking into account the demographic potential of the regions employed by the RF Armed Forces (and taking into account the estimated volumes of the current emigration "in terms of minimum values") in Ukraine, TOTAL is now about 32-36 million people. Which part of them is even conditionally "combat-ready" is not such an unambiguous question. Slightly more than half of this population are women and girls, objectively, the vast majority of them are not combat-ready (although on paper everything may be different). The male population can roughly be defined as half (16-17 million souls), of which 3/5 are children and pensioners. That is, about 10-11 million souls.
      Of course, many pensioners still have good health, but the vast majority of them are suitable only for stationary and extremely conditional garrisons like "terodefense" or "teams".
      The remaining 5-6 million souls are, in fact, the main bone, which is called "to the maximum." To the maximum, because, as I said, we represent the volume of emigration in terms of minimum values. Mostly people from these categories (as the most active) emigrated, as well as women and children. So I'm not going to speculate on how much of an impact this had on the 5-6 million figures. I'm probably SIGNIFICANTLY overestimating.
      Now, let's assume that the recent Turkish-Israeli casualty analysis is correct. That is, about 200k can be subtracted from these figures - killed, wounded, etc. Let's assume that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a strength of 800k+ at the moment. That is, with these numbers it will be 1kk. Also, some part of the mobile potential is in the Ministry of Internal Affairs (crime has not gone away), the National Guard and its analogues, and is shackled by its tasks. Wiki tells me that this is 60k + 220k, i.e. roughly, very roughly speaking 250k (taking into account the disabled pensioners within these structures).
      That is, we have a picture - ALREADY about 1.250kk-1.3kk out of the mobile potential of 5-6 million involved. All these are EXTREMELY approximate figures, "with a pitchfork on the water."
      We have 3.5kk-4.5kk people left, on the ridges of which, among other things, industry, agriculture, mining, and so on.
      I certainly do not try to estimate the% of these people who are unfit for health reasons. It would write off at the BEST 1/3. If, by magic, we assume that all these people are healthy, cheerful and full of morals - that's 3.5kk-4.5kk "for everything about everything."
      It is worth considering - which part of them is possible to use? After all, the railway should work, objects should be restored, industry, generation, propaganda, servants of power and human needs, and so on and so forth. I do not think that the REAL mob reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be indicated by more than the figure of 400k-500k. The "virtual" reserves can, yes, be downright huge.
      1. Carat
        Carat 13 February 2023 22: 04
        -4
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Numbers are a tricky thing. When the numbers 650k-1kk come up, you may get the feeling that this is a lot.

        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        The "virtual" reserves can, yes, be downright huge.


        I'm not taking numbers out of my head. From Russian Internet resources that are trustworthy.
        Which looks like the truth. 1kk is not at the front, a huge part of them are garrisoned in cities throughout Ukraine.
        As for the mob reserve, I think women are included there. After all, they collected lists of professions for which women can be mobilized, and the list is huge.
        1. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 13 February 2023 22: 35
          +2
          Well, I'm telling you - there are real approximate figures and there is virtualism. If we are talking about the Armed Forces as conditional "bayonets", then Ukraine will have a maximum of 1-1.5kk. But, of course, taking into account the support forces, this figure can inflate to 2kk.
          It's just that "support forces" are not bayonets. These units will not be able to defend anything, this is not their profile. The current forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ALREADY connected with certain areas for the most part, and since our mobile reserve exceeds (and significantly) the Ukrainian one, they will be connected - in the worst case, they will be weakened, but never completely removed (unless in the case of a theoretical "friendly occupation" of part of Western Ukraine by Polish troops, for example).
          And some of the people who fall into the "virtual" mobile lists are people who can be used in the defense at best. I mean a significant proportion of the so-called young pensioners or old pre-retirees. The older the person, the more fuss and trouble with him, the more sores he has, etc. If he works, he supports his family, if he is at the front, he has to support the state, despite the fact that he also consumes and does not generate. For the state, the mobilization, and even more so the movement of such people beyond the borders of the defense, is a natural trash. In the defense on cr. As far as part of their supply can be shifted to their relatives and local authorities - otherwise it is clearly an expense item. And if such a soup also dies, then pay for it as for a young one, and it can die with a higher probability from the chronicle, appendicitis or heart, often without bringing REAL combat benefit.
          SOME part of these, of course, will be heated. First of all, ex-specialists. But for the most part - I repeat, this is "virtualism". After sitting in the trenches for a month or blasting the masses of these people, all the flaws of Ukrainian medicine will come out of all the cracks, and the vision, hearing, reaction speed, intelligence and controllability of this contingent will lose many times to younger ones.
          While they are sitting at their place "somewhere", working or receiving a pension, the state does not care how they survive. If they are raked up, it will be a hemorrhagic xxx, so the vast majority of them will prefer not to rake "until victorious".
          So, of course, you can count them, but ..
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 13 February 2023 23: 32
            +2
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            . If he works, he supports his family, if he is at the front, he has to support the state, despite the fact that he also consumes and does not generate.
            While they are sitting at their place "somewhere", working or receiving a pension, the state does not care how they survive. If they are raked up, it will be a hemorrhagic xxx, so the vast majority of them will prefer not to rake "until victorious".
            So, of course, you can count them, but ..
            All of these considerations apply to "ordinary state".
            ukraine = zombies - from the movie "Resident Evil".
            Can also be compared with mad dog - when the "brain" that controls the body-state is struck Nazi virus the strain "Bandera", "virus" squeezes all the strength out of the body to attack the target - in order to bite it, infect it by moving into a new body.
            When will the inhabitants of Ukraine end male, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine they will call Women and sent to war.
            "Joke" about the war before the last Ukrainian not a "joke" at all - but a real plan of action for the future.
            Ukraine is naive to talk about providing for the residents who remained behind the lines from the side of the "state" - they will send food from the West - they will sell it to the population, they will not bring it ... - the population will die of hunger - and Putin will be appointed guilty.
            hi
            1. Himalayan
              Himalayan 14 February 2023 17: 34
              -1
              There are hundreds of thousands of mercenaries in the multi-billion world
          2. bayard
            bayard 14 February 2023 21: 25
            0
            You greatly overestimated the number of the former Ukraine. There are no 35 million there. There were only so many at the time of the coup in ALL Ukraine (35-37 million). Minus the population of the LDNR and the annexed territories from there, millions of migrants to the Russian Federation and Europe for all these 8 years before the NWO (and there are millions of them), and those millions of refugees that have now flooded Europe. In the rest of Ukraine, now there are only 20-22 ml. The mobilization waves have taken at least 1,5 million to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the loss of only about 250 thousand+ killed, as well as 350-400 thousand wounded on treatment and crippled already unfit for service. Therefore, now there are about 700 thousand under arms, of which 200 - 300 thousand are recruits, some more of them are being trained in Europe (about 30 - 50 thousand), and a considerable part is the defense, which is the defense.
            But mercenaries, yes. At one time, they can easily bring in 50+ thousand and create a local advantage in some one sector of the front, as was the case in September in the Kharkov region.
            So the resource mob they have is somewhat less than they announce. And they are barely in time to prepare reserves to replace those destroyed on the fronts.
  2. Reindeer
    Reindeer 13 February 2023 21: 24
    +5
    Poland continues to swing its saber with all its might, not noticing that the rest of Europe is starting to give on the brakes -_-
    1. Carat
      Carat 13 February 2023 21: 28
      +8
      Biden is going to Europe. Just cut the brake lines.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 13 February 2023 21: 36
        +4
        Native Smolensk birches are enough for all this pishno-evil spirits negative
      2. Reindeer
        Reindeer 13 February 2023 21: 41
        +2
        Well, yes, it's an option. Of course, I don’t think that it’s only because of this, but - highley likes :)
    2. Alexander Emrys
      Alexander Emrys 13 February 2023 21: 28
      +5
      Quote from Reindeer
      Poland continues to swing its saber with all its might, not noticing that the rest of Europe is starting to give on the brakes -_-


      The same Netherlands want to give fighters. Doesn't sound like slamming on the brakes
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 February 2023 21: 37
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Emrys
        The same Netherlands want to give fighters. Doesn't sound like slamming on the brakes

        They may want to, but who will give them?! In fact, they will promise and delay deliveries.
        1. Alexander Emrys
          Alexander Emrys 14 February 2023 07: 05
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: Alexander Emrys
          The same Netherlands want to give fighters. Doesn't sound like slamming on the brakes

          They may want to, but who will give them?! In fact, they will promise and delay deliveries.

          We have already heard about Hymers, Patriots, Leopards...
          It's time to take off the rose-colored glasses and stop saying "they'll drag it out, they won't let it" for the next expansion of military supplies.
      2. Reindeer
        Reindeer 13 February 2023 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Emrys
        The same Netherlands want to give fighters. Doesn't sound like slamming on the brakes

        To promise - does not mean to marry (c) :)
      3. Petr_Koldunov
        Petr_Koldunov 13 February 2023 23: 21
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Emrys
        The same Netherlands want to give fighters. Doesn't sound like slamming on the brakes

        They're not even going to. Already drove back, and quite briskly. Last time they were inciting everyone to give them planes, but now Rutte says that, they say, we will give them only if there is an ironclad guarantee that they will not be used for attack, but only for defense. But they cannot imagine such a case yet. Yes, this is simply impossible. Defense is when a Russian plane flies, and a Ukrainian one flies to intercept it. And when the doodle gets up in the air to fly
        bombing the positions of the RF Armed Forces (the most common option now) is already a pure attack.
        1. Alexander Emrys
          Alexander Emrys 14 February 2023 07: 01
          +1
          Quote: Peter_Koldunov
          Quote: Alexander Emrys
          The same Netherlands want to give fighters. Doesn't sound like slamming on the brakes

          They're not even going to. Already drove back, and quite briskly. Last time they were inciting everyone to give them planes, but now Rutte says that, they say, we will give them only if there is an ironclad guarantee that they will not be used for attack, but only for defense. But they cannot imagine such a case yet. Yes, this is simply impossible. Defense is when a Russian plane flies, and a Ukrainian one flies to intercept it. And when the doodle gets up in the air to fly
          bombing the positions of the RF Armed Forces (the most common option now) is already a pure attack.


          The West understands defense as any actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Ukraine within the borders of 1991. That is, as with the Hymers - they won’t let them shell the territory of the Russian Federation in 1991, the Crimea is in question, the rest, please, do what you want
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 February 2023 21: 29
    -4
    Bespectacled men in Poland to Ukraine, will they also be sent as part of the crews?. In the crew of the "lepy" there is a German, two Poles and a charging Ukrainian - a dog?! He will be called so affectionately.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 13 February 2023 21: 50
      -2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      In the crew of the "lepa" there is a German, two Poles and a charging Ukrainian - a dog ?!

      I don’t know how Ukrainians are called now in Poland, but something tells me that after such crews with a Ukrainian loader, all Ukrainians can be called “Sharik”.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 13 February 2023 21: 30
    0
    Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki confirmed Warsaw's plans to supply Ukraine with PT-91 Twardy and Leopard 2A4 tanks
    . It is clear that the Poles once again got into the dupa and continue to go deep into the most, most ...
    How it always ended for them is known ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 February 2023 21: 38
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      It is clear that the Poles once again got into the dupa and continue to go deep into the most, most ...

      Well, they are the "most interested persons". Zelya to them, consider the whole Western Ukraine sold.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 February 2023 23: 51
        0
        Choke, next / next time ....
        History, such a science, forgets nothing! They would teach her and not forget, the goals were b.
        1. Gestas
          Gestas 14 February 2023 15: 14
          0
          Science is not associated with the term "does not forget" at all, this property of people is to forget / not forget (for memory, you can fill the "tablets", however, it is not a fact that the "stuffed" was actually like that, and even "kill", with necessity, not a problem). The essence of science is in cognition (the formation of a theoretical model), which should explain and give a forecast (explanatory and predictive functions of science).
  5. topol717
    topol717 13 February 2023 21: 54
    0
    If I were the Poles, I would have sold all the T-72s at the price of a new Korean tank with great joy. I wouldn't be surprised if half of them weren't complete. And then the Ukrainians will pay with the territory.
  6. Pavel_Sveshnikov
    Pavel_Sveshnikov 13 February 2023 22: 14
    +1
    It looks like the Poles will ride Leopards, judging by how they are eager to fight. In addition, they already have a lot of trained tankers, and Ukrainians still need to be trained.
  7. salad
    salad 13 February 2023 22: 14
    -1
    Something tells me that it is these dogs that will rush, either to Sumeria or the Republic of Belarus
    1. bob03
      bob03 13 February 2023 23: 04
      +3
      The Poles are not going to fight because they live quietly and prosperously, not like the Germans, but generally not bad. And the Russian Federation will not attack them, they also understand this. They are trying to earn authority in Europe after many years of humiliation - yes.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 14 February 2023 08: 12
        0
        Quote from bob03
        The Poles are not going to fight because they live calmly and prosperously, not like the Germans, but on the whole not bad. And the Russian Federation will not attack them, they also understand this.

        Stop scaring the hedgehog...
        The Poles are not going to fight on their own land, because in a clash with Russia they will live like the Germans in 1945. Russia will not even have to enter the territory of Poland.
        Do they dream about it?
        * * *
        You are not yet convinced that the opinion of the authorities in the country does not always coincide with the opinion of the population of the country, and the ruler of the country remains so until the people put up with it.
        Quote from bob03
        They are trying to earn authority in Europe after many years of humiliation - yes.

        The authority of the "hyena of Europe" does not suit them? It was not the Russians who dubbed them that ... Today they stubbornly earn themselves not the authority of a sovereign state, but try on the role of a yard dog of an overseas master.
        In the scenario “either in half, or to smithereens,” not a single country will harness them. Moreover, “the cat scratches on its back” and “it asked for it” can be a response to the so-called NATO mutual assistance. You can guess what you want, but stop NO RULER WANTS TO BE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THERE IS NO ONE TO GOVERN.
        And, if someone wants to spit against the wind, then others can simply step aside so that the spray does not fall on them.
        RUMORS ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE DEATH OF RUSSIA ARE CLEARLY EXAGGERATED, as well as information about the growing power and authority of Poland.
  8. Valter1364
    Valter1364 13 February 2023 22: 50
    +2
    Let's leave this Poland for a moment. Lemeshev, Chaliapin, collected from cadet times on vinyl. Our Russia, Mother. TV channel "Russia". Movies about Fyodor Chaliapin. Decided to look. Advertising ... Well, where without it? What do I hear? "Pay attention, made in Germany!" What are you there? What mushrooms did you eat? What is made in Germany? Leopards, panthers, Scholz? Who are you promoting? Those who kill our guys?
  9. 1erWahrheitsMinister_1984
    1erWahrheitsMinister_1984 13 February 2023 22: 56
    +1
    Mich interessiert viel mehr, ab WHEN man denn nun in Moscow
    ein Land als active enemy betrachtet und deren Einrichtungen und Waffen
    sowie insbesondere deren dummschwätzende Polit-Kakerlaken "legitime Ziele" russischer Streitkräfte werden und MIT ALLER KRAFT VERNICHTET werden dürfen; alles andere ist mir viel zu statistisch!!
    Nachdem nun alle "roten Linien" kilometerweit überschritten wurden, was will man nun tun, um zB Polen einen direkten Warnschuss zu verpassen?!?

    Ihr werdet doch bitte nicht wirklich warten, bis über Polen Panzer an
    POLNISCHE mercenary geliefert werden, um auf Russen zu schiessen...!!!??!!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 February 2023 01: 27
      0
      Translation:
      I'm much more interested in since when in Moscow
      will consider the country as an active enemy, and its facilities and weapons,
      and especially her stupid political cockroaches, will become "legitimate targets" of the Russian armed forces and WILL BE DESTROYED BY ALL FORCES; everything else, in my opinion, is too statistical!!
      Now that all the "red lines" have been passed for many kilometers, what should be done now so that, for example, Poland misses a direct warning shot?!?

      Please don't wait for the tanks to pass through Poland.
      POLISH mercenaries will be delivered to shoot at the Russians...!!!??!
  10. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 13 February 2023 22: 57
    -1
    Campaign croak Poles themselves a region within Russia. It will be hard to melt their brains, but they will probably have to.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 13 February 2023 23: 35
      +2
      Quote: Hariton Laptev
      Campaign croak Poles themselves a region within Russia. It will be hard to melt their brains, but they will probably have to.

      To agree with the Germans on the restoration of the Russian-German border as before WWI? That's just it Russia nada? And under the tsars, there was a constant popabol and a hotbed of all kinds of sedition, and then shitocracy and human rights were far from being understood as widely as they are now. And under Brezhnev it almost came to the introduction of troops, as in Prague. Thanks to them, Jaruzelsky was found, but he might not have been found, and he would have had to enter. And then the grub was driven there by echelons, despite the fact that they themselves did not have enough, even in Leningrad there were interruptions in meat and milk.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 13 February 2023 23: 51
        +2
        Quote: Nagan

        To agree with the Germans on the restoration of the Russian-German border as before WWI?
        stop
        Kaliningrad region We will NOT give it up - according to the Constitution of Russia, it is impossible to give away the lands of Russia under any circumstances !!
        am
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        2. Revolver
          Revolver 15 February 2023 08: 01
          0
          Kherson is also kind of like a Russian land. Was. Not for long.
          It was in 1942 that there was no land beyond the Volga, and in 2022 land was found beyond the Dnieper.
          And no, I'm not trolling. Just "it's a shame for the state" ©.
  11. Revolver
    Revolver 13 February 2023 23: 14
    +2
    I wonder why the gas pipe from Norway to Poland is still functions? It seems to cross the joint venture not far from the place of detonation. And where is the naval special forces today? Surely he remained only in Bushkov's series "Piranha"?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 February 2023 08: 25
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      Surely he remained only in Bushkov's series "Piranha"?

      Even in the series "Sea Devils" ... yes
      I organically do not accept this hushing up of problems and deliberate co-operation. You see that it doesn’t work out the way you wanted (due to the lack of normal planning, and not sucking cunning plans out of your finger); determined that he was not able to cope with those who put sticks in the wheels (for what reasons - one can only guess); unable to resolve issues by a cardinal method and as they arise, - STEP Aside AND DO NOT RESPOND!!!
      Don't wait until February 21st as if the numerology of the date could change anything!!! The road is a spoon for dinner, and there at least under the bench !!! A bold bullet is afraid, but a coward and in Cri... find bushes!!!
      Here is my opinion.
  12. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 13 February 2023 23: 15
    +1
    I wonder when he will be re-elected - will the Poles finally realize what a deeply mentally unhealthy person led them?
    1. Klmn
      Klmn 13 February 2023 23: 51
      +1
      Oh come on, firstly, they will elect who the Anglo-Saxons need, secondly, he will continue to carry the Russophobic heresy, thirdly, they really have a manic idea "from mozha to mozha", and fourthly, they really don't like Russians, they bent over too often, probably, and, well, fifth, the Poles always have a dofiga ambition, though they also have a long way from ambition to business ...
      This is so, offhand, I think if you think about it, you can do it in the 6th and 7th, etc. find...
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 14 February 2023 02: 52
      +1
      The Poles directly elect the president, and the fate of the prime minister depends on whether his party wins the elections to the Sejm. And so, the "shadow" leader of Poland, the most influential person in the country is the leader of the ruling Law and Justice party, Yaroslav Kaczynski, the twin brother of President Lech Kaczynski, who died near Smolensk. Kaczynski was Deputy Prime Minister and Chairman of the Committee on Security and Defense in 2020-2022. Last summer, he resigned from government positions. But as the leader of the ruling party, in fact, he coordinates and directs the activities of both President Duda and Prime Minister Morawiecki.
  13. DefenderofTruth
    DefenderofTruth 13 February 2023 23: 35
    +2
    First of all, we need to beat out the irreplaceable human resource of Ukraine and the critical sectors of the Ukrainian economy - energy completely, in place of the energy system of Ukraine there should be scorched earth.
    When not only the military, but also the civilian economy of Ukraine collapses completely, and the human losses exceed a million and continue to grow, moral breakdown will occur both at the fronts and in the rear, and then VICTORY will be revealed to us.
  14. Boris Ivanov
    Boris Ivanov 13 February 2023 23: 48
    +9
    as soon as the first NATO tank crosses the border of Ukraine.. this is the beginning of World War 3. or call it whatever you want. but it doesn't change the point.
    1. Tim666
      Tim666 14 February 2023 01: 26
      -2
      Quote: Boris Ivanov
      as soon as the first NATO tank crosses the border of Ukraine.. this is the beginning of World War 3. or call it whatever you want. but it doesn't change the point.

      So has more than one hundred crossed) or are the T-72s not considered in service with NATO countries?
  15. Andron78
    Andron78 14 February 2023 00: 21
    0
    This tipchik apparently already knows that Poland is destined for the role of the second echelon of "defense" in the event of the defeat of Ukraine. What caused it? Maybe a hint or a direct indication of the overseas master, or maybe nuclear blackmail on the part of the clown regime, which perceives nuclear power plants on the western outskirts as a completely sufficient arsenal for turning Europe into an uninhabited territory. Why do they need peace if there is no Ukraine in it ...
  16. Tim666
    Tim666 14 February 2023 01: 24
    -4
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Alexander Emrys
    The same Netherlands want to give fighters. Doesn't sound like slamming on the brakes

    They may want to, but who will give them?! In fact, they will promise and delay deliveries.

    They said the same about mlrs, everyone who promised they delivered, and the cheers infa immediately slipped that they delivered the first versions without GPS guidance, that is, a la hurricane, they say, God, that I’m worthless, but in fact GPS is present)
  17. Tim666
    Tim666 14 February 2023 01: 31
    -3
    Quote: Andron78
    This tipchik apparently already knows that Poland is destined for the role of the second echelon of "defense" in the event of the defeat of Ukraine. What caused it? Maybe a hint or a direct indication of the overseas master, or maybe nuclear blackmail on the part of the clown regime, which perceives nuclear power plants on the western outskirts as a completely sufficient arsenal for turning Europe into an uninhabited territory. Why do they need peace if there is no Ukraine in it ...

    Do you think if Ukraine is defeated and annexed to the Russian Federation, Poland will have problems with weapons? New factories, if there is a shortage of production capacities in Europe, are now being built many times faster than 60 years ago, the Poles will be supplied with everything in abundance and even more ...
    1. Gestas
      Gestas 14 February 2023 15: 26
      0
      "New factories, if there is a shortage of production capacity in Europe, are now being built many times faster"
      This is something new (or rather, old, from the beginning of last year and even earlier - if they (the conditional West), de, something "will be needed" (special I will single out), so they will build factories for at least two / steamboats and raw materials will be found right under their feet - it remains only to scoop with a spoon). Old factories are being closed many times faster than the future realities of the existence of the former European industry in the conditions of high energy prices, as a condition for their existence, reach the inhabitants.
  18. Tim666
    Tim666 14 February 2023 01: 35
    -2
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Hariton Laptev
    Campaign croak Poles themselves a region within Russia. It will be hard to melt their brains, but they will probably have to.

    To agree with the Germans on the restoration of the Russian-German border as before WWI? That's just it Russia nada? And under the tsars, there was a constant popabol and a hotbed of all kinds of sedition, and then shitocracy and human rights were far from being understood as widely as they are now. And under Brezhnev it almost came to the introduction of troops, as in Prague. Thanks to them, Jaruzelsky was found, but he might not have been found, and he would have had to enter. And then the grub was driven there by echelons, despite the fact that they themselves did not have enough, even in Leningrad there were interruptions in meat and milk.

    Maybe somewhere in Cuba they drove food, but not in Poland, they always had enough food of their own, the climate is milder, the yield is higher.
  19. Tim666
    Tim666 14 February 2023 01: 39
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    Quote: Valter1364
    Let's leave this Poland for a moment. Lemeshev, Chaliapin, collected from cadet times on vinyl. Our Russia, Mother. TV channel "Russia". Movies about Fyodor Chaliapin. Decided to look. Advertising ... Well, where without it? What do I hear? "Pay attention, made in Germany!" What are you there? What mushrooms did you eat? What is made in Germany? Leopards, panthers, Scholz? Who are you promoting? Those who kill our guys?

    Made in Germany is associated with quality, you can't help it, by the way, all official cars in Gazprom are Mercedes) Do you suggest changing to NovoMoskvich?
  20. orionvitt
    orionvitt 14 February 2023 10: 13
    -1
    Recently, Poland has been bending over backwards to take a leading position in Europe.
    The only thing she will achieve at such a pace is a glass radioactive desert, instead of Poland. This is how much intelligence you need to bark at a huge country, which not only has an army equipped in almost all positions, but in addition, there is a complete nuclear arsenal with all means of delivery. No one in Russia will cry for the Poles. It also applies to all Berlins with Londons, and the rest of Washington. They have completely lost their fear, they think that Russia will not have enough determination to demolish several insolent countries from the face of the earth. But then, I think, negotiations will begin, and with the United States.