“Only a few seconds are given to hit the target”: a Romanian general talks about an oncoming battle with Russian tanks

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“Only a few seconds are given to hit the target”: a Romanian general talks about an oncoming battle with Russian tanks

The decision of the masters of the Kyiv regime to transfer the Armed Forces of Ukraine Tanks causes concern among the Western public, who are concerned about whether the Abrams and Leopard 2 will be able to show themselves worthy in the confrontation with Russian armored vehicles.

According to the Romanian General Catalin Tomescu, unsurpassed weapons does not exist, and the effectiveness of any combat system mainly depends on the skills of the personnel. According to him, the ability to successfully destroy the enemy with the first shot is of paramount importance in an oncoming tank battle.



Once you've been spotted, you only have a few seconds to reload and aim. If you do not meet this time limit, then you will become a victim

- says the former head of the South-Eastern Command of the NATO Corps in Romania

As he explains, it takes nine seconds for a crew with average experience to hit a target, well-trained personnel can do this task in seven seconds. At the same time, it is not clear how much time, according to the general, is necessary to acquire the proper skills. According to the Ministry of Defense of Germany, about six weeks are allotted for training the Ukrainian military to work on the Leopard 2, classes are conducted six days a week - first on simulators, then in the field. Crew training materials are being translated from German into Ukrainian and into Russian.
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  1. +11
    February 13 2023
    We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.
    1. +9
      February 13 2023
      belay what The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ..... request
      1. +1
        February 13 2023
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

        Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.
        1. +2
          February 13 2023
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

          Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.


          Google it. Adopted. That Hermes-A is air-based, that Hermes-C is ground-based.
          The Ka-52M arsenal also included long-range Hermes-A missiles, previously installed only on the Ka-52K ship version and Vikhr-M guided anti-tank missiles.


          According to a number of experts, the Izdeliye 305 LMUR, supplied for the RF Ministry of Defense, has a range of about 20 km. This may be due to the previously announced characteristics of the Ka-52K ship-based variant, which, with new and more powerful high-precision weapons, can hit targets at a distance of up to 20 km.

          https://dzen.ru/a/Y-YhUuW-jxx0BcsS
          1. 0
            February 15 2023
            Dzen authoritative source
      2. 0
        February 13 2023
        Well, we don't have a third. But no one canceled the wishlist
    2. +2
      February 13 2023
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.



      The penetration of the Metis-M1, Kornet-D ATGMs is already sufficient. The 3rd generation of ATGMs seems to have been created in our country (analogous to Javelin), but the RF Ministry of Defense was not satisfied with its high price. Orlan-RU (Inohodets) can use X missiles against tanks - UAV (created on the basis of the Kornet ATGM) and Kh-MD-E.ATGM Hermes ground-based, depending on the range modification, from 20 km to 100 km. ATGM Hermes-A, Whirlwind-M, LMUR (Product 305) from Mi-28NM, Ka-52M helicopters, Su-25 attack aircraft. Tankers praise the same T-90M on it, the sights are good, they compare its gun with a sniper rifle , like from 5 km it will fall into the window. In addition, it can use BOPS Mango-2, Lead-1, Lead-2.

      At night, the T-90M is taken on duty: to observe the movements from the other side. "The machine is accurate. At 50-100 meters we disassemble the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in parts. And it is easy to get into the window from five kilometers. Like a sniper rifle," says Groza.

      https://dzen.ru/a/Y-X0HoNA91p16wvI
    3. +3
      February 13 2023
      "Romanian general talks about the oncoming battle." Authoritative warriors, yeah. Is there any reasoning of the Zimbabwean general about the modern theory of air combat? They also say big experts...
    4. +1
      February 13 2023
      The fact of the matter is that all these Leopards and Challengers have already been upgraded to work in conjunction with UAVs. They already have a standard kit with a single connection and transfer-exchange of information between all machines of the unit.
    5. 0
      February 13 2023
      It is necessary to put Hermes on the conveyor. There are such options. He is also against the chimera
    6. 0
      February 13 2023
      Yes, we have an ATGM guided from a drone called Krasnopol.
    7. 0
      February 15 2023
      Dreaming! We copy the javelin!
    8. 0
      February 16 2023
      We need normal reconnaissance (satellite, UAV, undercover) and attacks on railway stations and logistics centers. And the echelons will not reach our trenches. The tank is not a passenger car ..... and diesel fuel and shells will be taken ...
  2. +13
    February 13 2023
    Prohibit in Russian. Let them read in Move.
    1. +2
      February 13 2023
      So they do the translation for the Russians. So that later ours would have less misunderstandings with trophies)))
  3. +1
    February 13 2023
    Another NATO member revealed the "secret of Polichenel" ... Will there be oncoming tank battles at all?
  4. +1
    February 13 2023
    The crew of the combat vehicle must act as a single organism. So if in this case, the banderlogs first find the lever that is needed, and then they pull it, then write wasted.
  5. +6
    February 13 2023
    Well, the Romanians are famous "warriors". The Germans will not let you lie. winked
  6. 0
    February 13 2023
    Those. does our uv president and our general staff want to wrestle head-on with them? Then mobilization is definitely inevitable. That's what Peskov should have been asked about.
  7. 0
    February 13 2023
    Once you've been spotted, you only have a few seconds to reload and aim. If you do not meet this time limit, then you will become a victim

    - says the former head of the South-Eastern Command of the NATO Corps in Romania
    The Romanian general was discovered already when the project to create NATO was just being drafted. request
  8. +6
    February 13 2023
    Well, I don’t know how they teach there, 9 seconds for a “short” one is a lot, on the 1st course shooting from a place, from a short one and on the move, on the 3-4th course all shooting is only on the move (day / night, snow / rain - according to fig). It’s not comme il faut for a zakidny to hang out on the tower with a shell, and even with a unitary one.
    1. +4
      February 13 2023
      Quote from uprun
      It’s not comme il faut to hang around a tower with a projectile, and even with a unitary one, on the move

      Therefore, in Abrams, Negroes are zakidny. They seem to have a stronger head. Where will the Hoh-ly look for such?
      1. +3
        February 13 2023
        They will determine which of the 4 is the last one, they will smear it with fuel oil, it will turn out ukroniger laughing
      2. 0
        February 15 2023
        The Negro simply has nothing to injure in his head, only an echo!
  9. -3
    February 13 2023
    How much preparation time is needed? With intensive training in the region of 6 months. There is no further limit to perfection. We can safely say that the qualification "Master class" is achieved after 24 months of training.
  10. +1
    February 13 2023
    as well as in Russian.

    And they translate it into Russian so that it would be more convenient for our tankers to master the captured leopards?
  11. 9PA
    +1
    February 13 2023
    Hurrahs scare me, and the chimera is nonsense and the starlink and the penguin. Yes, only the efficiency is high for them
  12. +3
    February 13 2023
    One thing I don’t understand is that everyone is trumpeting about armor, against armor? Unwind with artillery, birdies, and other useful things against tanks. I don’t see the point in letting tanks on tanks ...
  13. +2
    February 13 2023
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.


    - And yet, you need to try quadrocopters ... equipped with liter (preferably 3 liter) glass jars with incendiary liquid (napalm). Drop the tank on the stern ... Just fill it with "fuel"! ...
    1. 0
      February 13 2023
      Quote: egorMTG
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.


      - And yet, you need to try quadrocopters ... equipped with liter (preferably 3 liter) glass jars with incendiary liquid (napalm). Drop the tank on the stern ... Just fill it with "fuel"! ...

      With a thermite mixture, it will be just wonderful. The combustion temperature is 2300-2700 ° C, the most for fascist tanks!
  14. 0
    February 13 2023
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

    Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.

    Only this is hardly just an ATGM. Healthy hurts.
    Length: 3,5 m
    Rocket accelerator diameter: 0,21 m or 0,17 m (depending on range)
    Diameter of the second stage: 0,13 m
    Weight: 90 kg
    More like a stationary missile system. Only put this on a self-propelled chassis.
  15. +1
    February 14 2023
    The general said it correctly - skills are needed. It is not technology that fights, but people with the help of this technology. And you need skills. Well, there is no ability for technology, you won’t be a cool tanker, carrier, etc. Here I served in the Soviet Army: every week Tuesday driving, Wednesday afternoon shooting, Thursday daytime and nighttime, and what, the results were different for everyone. And they served two years. Well, the Ukrainians will recruit anyone from under the stick, they will teach for four weeks. Yes, in four weeks he will only superficially get acquainted with the materiel and learn to get under way, well, he will pass in a convoy. In short, with such crews, our leopards and abrams will burn.
    1. 0
      February 19 2023
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Well, the Ukrainians will recruit anyone from under the stick, they will teach for four weeks. Yes, in four weeks he will only superficially familiarize himself with the materiel and learn to move off

      Surely, they recruited from among those with good training and combat experience on the T-64/72.
      You don’t need to throw hats on everyone, in a war it will cost extra blood.
  16. +1
    February 14 2023
    I didn't post yesterday, but...
    what has been said - it is necessary to comprehend - if there is a network connecting all the vehicles during the battle - he correctly says: he left, fired at the highlighted target and left ..
    and if there is no such network ... then, only the iron skills of the commander and crew, but this is not a panacea ...
  17. 0
    February 15 2023
    Quote: Captive
    Well, the Romanians are famous "warriors". The Germans will not let you lie. winked

    But they have good military intelligence.
  18. 0
    February 16 2023
    Surprisingly, one does not hear about Romanian tanks and their transfer to Ukraine. They are based on T55. But the SLA is modern there.

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