“Only a few seconds are given to hit the target”: a Romanian general talks about an oncoming battle with Russian tanks

The decision of the masters of the Kyiv regime to transfer the Armed Forces of Ukraine Tanks causes concern among the Western public, who are concerned about whether the Abrams and Leopard 2 will be able to show themselves worthy in the confrontation with Russian armored vehicles.

According to the Romanian General Catalin Tomescu, unsurpassed weapons does not exist, and the effectiveness of any combat system mainly depends on the skills of the personnel. According to him, the ability to successfully destroy the enemy with the first shot is of paramount importance in an oncoming tank battle.

Once you've been spotted, you only have a few seconds to reload and aim. If you do not meet this time limit, then you will become a victim

- says the former head of the South-Eastern Command of the NATO Corps in Romania

As he explains, it takes nine seconds for a crew with average experience to hit a target, well-trained personnel can do this task in seven seconds. At the same time, it is not clear how much time, according to the general, is necessary to acquire the proper skills. According to the Ministry of Defense of Germany, about six weeks are allotted for training the Ukrainian military to work on the Leopard 2, classes are conducted six days a week - first on simulators, then in the field. Crew training materials are being translated from German into Ukrainian and into Russian.

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[Lt. Air Force stock]

We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.

[dmi.pris1]

The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth .....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote from: dmi.pris1

The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.

Google it. Adopted. That Hermes-A is air-based, that Hermes-C is ground-based.

The Ka-52M arsenal also included long-range Hermes-A missiles, previously installed only on the Ka-52K ship version and Vikhr-M guided anti-tank missiles.

According to a number of experts, the Izdeliye 305 LMUR, supplied for the RF Ministry of Defense, has a range of about 20 km. This may be due to the previously announced characteristics of the Ka-52K ship-based variant, which, with new and more powerful high-precision weapons, can hit targets at a distance of up to 20 km.

https://dzen.ru/a/Y-YhUuW-jxx0BcsS

[DrMadfisher_2]

Dzen authoritative source

[Dost]

Well, we don't have a third. But no one canceled the wishlist

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.

The penetration of the Metis-M1, Kornet-D ATGMs is already sufficient. The 3rd generation of ATGMs seems to have been created in our country (analogous to Javelin), but the RF Ministry of Defense was not satisfied with its high price. Orlan-RU (Inohodets) can use X missiles against tanks - UAV (created on the basis of the Kornet ATGM) and Kh-MD-E.ATGM Hermes ground-based, depending on the range modification, from 20 km to 100 km. ATGM Hermes-A, Whirlwind-M, LMUR (Product 305) from Mi-28NM, Ka-52M helicopters, Su-25 attack aircraft. Tankers praise the same T-90M on it, the sights are good, they compare its gun with a sniper rifle , like from 5 km it will fall into the window. In addition, it can use BOPS Mango-2, Lead-1, Lead-2.

At night, the T-90M is taken on duty: to observe the movements from the other side. "The machine is accurate. At 50-100 meters we disassemble the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in parts. And it is easy to get into the window from five kilometers. Like a sniper rifle," says Groza.

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[January]

"Romanian general talks about the oncoming battle." Authoritative warriors, yeah. Is there any reasoning of the Zimbabwean general about the modern theory of air combat? They also say big experts...

[BorzRio]

The fact of the matter is that all these Leopards and Challengers have already been upgraded to work in conjunction with UAVs. They already have a standard kit with a single connection and transfer-exchange of information between all machines of the unit.

[Romeo]

It is necessary to put Hermes on the conveyor. There are such options. He is also against the chimera

[Pivot]

Yes, we have an ATGM guided from a drone called Krasnopol.

[smart ass]

Dreaming! We copy the javelin!

[Zaurbek]

We need normal reconnaissance (satellite, UAV, undercover) and attacks on railway stations and logistics centers. And the echelons will not reach our trenches. The tank is not a passenger car ..... and diesel fuel and shells will be taken ...

[BedMax]

Prohibit in Russian. Let them read in Move.

[Mini Mokik]

So they do the translation for the Russians. So that later ours would have less misunderstandings with trophies)))

[dmi.pris1]

Another NATO member revealed the "secret of Polichenel" ... Will there be oncoming tank battles at all?

[Alexander 3]

The crew of the combat vehicle must act as a single organism. So if in this case, the banderlogs first find the lever that is needed, and then they pull it, then write wasted.

[Prisoner]

Well, the Romanians are famous "warriors". The Germans will not let you lie.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Those. does our uv president and our general staff want to wrestle head-on with them? Then mobilization is definitely inevitable. That's what Peskov should have been asked about.

[opposite28]

Once you've been spotted, you only have a few seconds to reload and aim. If you do not meet this time limit, then you will become a victim

- says the former head of the South-Eastern Command of the NATO Corps in Romania

The Romanian general was discovered already when the project to create NATO was just being drafted.

[Uprun]

Well, I don’t know how they teach there, 9 seconds for a “short” one is a lot, on the 1st course shooting from a place, from a short one and on the move, on the 3-4th course all shooting is only on the move (day / night, snow / rain - according to fig). It’s not comme il faut for a zakidny to hang out on the tower with a shell, and even with a unitary one.

[Grits]

Quote from uprun

It’s not comme il faut to hang around a tower with a projectile, and even with a unitary one, on the move

Therefore, in Abrams, Negroes are zakidny. They seem to have a stronger head. Where will the Hoh-ly look for such?

[al3x]

They will determine which of the 4 is the last one, they will smear it with fuel oil, it will turn out ukroniger

[smart ass]

The Negro simply has nothing to injure in his head, only an echo!

[Ezekiel 25-17]

How much preparation time is needed? With intensive training in the region of 6 months. There is no further limit to perfection. We can safely say that the qualification "Master class" is achieved after 24 months of training.

[your vsr 66-67]

as well as in Russian.

And they translate it into Russian so that it would be more convenient for our tankers to master the captured leopards?

[9PA]

Hurrahs scare me, and the chimera is nonsense and the starlink and the penguin. Yes, only the efficiency is high for them

[Klmn]

One thing I don’t understand is that everyone is trumpeting about armor, against armor? Unwind with artillery, birdies, and other useful things against tanks. I don’t see the point in letting tanks on tanks ...

[egorMTG]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.

- And yet, you need to try quadrocopters ... equipped with liter (preferably 3 liter) glass jars with incendiary liquid (napalm). Drop the tank on the stern ... Just fill it with "fuel"! ...

[garik77]

Quote: egorMTG

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.

- And yet, you need to try quadrocopters ... equipped with liter (preferably 3 liter) glass jars with incendiary liquid (napalm). Drop the tank on the stern ... Just fill it with "fuel"! ...

With a thermite mixture, it will be just wonderful. The combustion temperature is 2300-2700 ° C, the most for fascist tanks!

[garik77]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote from: dmi.pris1

The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.

Only this is hardly just an ATGM. Healthy hurts.
Length: 3,5 m
Rocket accelerator diameter: 0,21 m or 0,17 m (depending on range)
Diameter of the second stage: 0,13 m
Weight: 90 kg
More like a stationary missile system. Only put this on a self-propelled chassis.

[Seraphimamur]

The general said it correctly - skills are needed. It is not technology that fights, but people with the help of this technology. And you need skills. Well, there is no ability for technology, you won’t be a cool tanker, carrier, etc. Here I served in the Soviet Army: every week Tuesday driving, Wednesday afternoon shooting, Thursday daytime and nighttime, and what, the results were different for everyone. And they served two years. Well, the Ukrainians will recruit anyone from under the stick, they will teach for four weeks. Yes, in four weeks he will only superficially get acquainted with the materiel and learn to get under way, well, he will pass in a convoy. In short, with such crews, our leopards and abrams will burn.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Seraphimamur

Well, the Ukrainians will recruit anyone from under the stick, they will teach for four weeks. Yes, in four weeks he will only superficially familiarize himself with the materiel and learn to move off

Surely, they recruited from among those with good training and combat experience on the T-64/72.
You don’t need to throw hats on everyone, in a war it will cost extra blood.

[Dedok]

I didn't post yesterday, but...
what has been said - it is necessary to comprehend - if there is a network connecting all the vehicles during the battle - he correctly says: he left, fired at the highlighted target and left ..
and if there is no such network ... then, only the iron skills of the commander and crew, but this is not a panacea ...

[Pavel57]

Quote: Captive

Well, the Romanians are famous "warriors". The Germans will not let you lie.

But they have good military intelligence.

[Zaurbek]

Surprisingly, one does not hear about Romanian tanks and their transfer to Ukraine. They are based on T55. But the SLA is modern there.