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“Only a few seconds are given to hit the target”: a Romanian general talks about an oncoming battle with Russian tanks

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“Only a few seconds are given to hit the target”: a Romanian general talks about an oncoming battle with Russian tanks

The decision of the masters of the Kyiv regime to transfer the Armed Forces of Ukraine Tanks causes concern among the Western public, who are concerned about whether the Abrams and Leopard 2 will be able to show themselves worthy in the confrontation with Russian armored vehicles.


According to the Romanian General Catalin Tomescu, unsurpassed weapons does not exist, and the effectiveness of any combat system mainly depends on the skills of the personnel. According to him, the ability to successfully destroy the enemy with the first shot is of paramount importance in an oncoming tank battle.

Once you've been spotted, you only have a few seconds to reload and aim. If you do not meet this time limit, then you will become a victim

- says the former head of the South-Eastern Command of the NATO Corps in Romania

As he explains, it takes nine seconds for a crew with average experience to hit a target, well-trained personnel can do this task in seven seconds. At the same time, it is not clear how much time, according to the general, is necessary to acquire the proper skills. According to the Ministry of Defense of Germany, about six weeks are allotted for training the Ukrainian military to work on the Leopard 2, classes are conducted six days a week - first on simulators, then in the field. Crew training materials are being translated from German into Ukrainian and into Russian.
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  1. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 13 February 2023 14: 43
    +11
    We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 13 February 2023 14: 49
      +9
      belay what The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ..... request
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 February 2023 14: 53
        +1
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

        Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.
        1. Orange Bigg
          Orange Bigg 13 February 2023 15: 15
          +2
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

          Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.


          Google it. Adopted. That Hermes-A is air-based, that Hermes-C is ground-based.
          The Ka-52M arsenal also included long-range Hermes-A missiles, previously installed only on the Ka-52K ship version and Vikhr-M guided anti-tank missiles.


          According to a number of experts, the Izdeliye 305 LMUR, supplied for the RF Ministry of Defense, has a range of about 20 km. This may be due to the previously announced characteristics of the Ka-52K ship-based variant, which, with new and more powerful high-precision weapons, can hit targets at a distance of up to 20 km.

          https://dzen.ru/a/Y-YhUuW-jxx0BcsS
          1. DrMadfisher_2
            DrMadfisher_2 15 February 2023 00: 39
            0
            Dzen authoritative source
      2. Dost
        Dost 13 February 2023 20: 01
        0
        Well, we don't have a third. But no one canceled the wishlist
    2. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 13 February 2023 15: 01
      +2
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.



      The penetration of the Metis-M1, Kornet-D ATGMs is already sufficient. The 3rd generation of ATGMs seems to have been created in our country (analogous to Javelin), but the RF Ministry of Defense was not satisfied with its high price. Orlan-RU (Inohodets) can use X missiles against tanks - UAV (created on the basis of the Kornet ATGM) and Kh-MD-E.ATGM Hermes ground-based, depending on the range modification, from 20 km to 100 km. ATGM Hermes-A, Whirlwind-M, LMUR (Product 305) from Mi-28NM, Ka-52M helicopters, Su-25 attack aircraft. Tankers praise the same T-90M on it, the sights are good, they compare its gun with a sniper rifle , like from 5 km it will fall into the window. In addition, it can use BOPS Mango-2, Lead-1, Lead-2.

      At night, the T-90M is taken on duty: to observe the movements from the other side. "The machine is accurate. At 50-100 meters we disassemble the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in parts. And it is easy to get into the window from five kilometers. Like a sniper rifle," says Groza.

      https://dzen.ru/a/Y-X0HoNA91p16wvI
    3. January
      January 13 February 2023 16: 58
      +3
      "Romanian general talks about the oncoming battle." Authoritative warriors, yeah. Is there any reasoning of the Zimbabwean general about the modern theory of air combat? They also say big experts...
    4. BorzRio
      BorzRio 13 February 2023 17: 34
      +1
      The fact of the matter is that all these Leopards and Challengers have already been upgraded to work in conjunction with UAVs. They already have a standard kit with a single connection and transfer-exchange of information between all machines of the unit.
    5. Romeo
      Romeo 13 February 2023 18: 10
      0
      It is necessary to put Hermes on the conveyor. There are such options. He is also against the chimera
    6. Pivot
      Pivot 13 February 2023 22: 51
      0
      Yes, we have an ATGM guided from a drone called Krasnopol.
    7. smart ass
      smart ass 15 February 2023 18: 52
      0
      Dreaming! We copy the javelin!
    8. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 16 February 2023 15: 14
      0
      We need normal reconnaissance (satellite, UAV, undercover) and attacks on railway stations and logistics centers. And the echelons will not reach our trenches. The tank is not a passenger car ..... and diesel fuel and shells will be taken ...
  2. BedMax
    BedMax 13 February 2023 14: 44
    +13
    Prohibit in Russian. Let them read in Move.
    1. Mini Mokik
      Mini Mokik 13 February 2023 18: 15
      +2
      So they do the translation for the Russians. So that later ours would have less misunderstandings with trophies)))
  3. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 13 February 2023 14: 46
    +1
    Another NATO member revealed the "secret of Polichenel" ... Will there be oncoming tank battles at all?
  4. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 13 February 2023 14: 46
    +1
    The crew of the combat vehicle must act as a single organism. So if in this case, the banderlogs first find the lever that is needed, and then they pull it, then write wasted.
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 February 2023 14: 50
    +6
    Well, the Romanians are famous "warriors". The Germans will not let you lie. winked
  6. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 13 February 2023 14: 52
    0
    Those. does our uv president and our general staff want to wrestle head-on with them? Then mobilization is definitely inevitable. That's what Peskov should have been asked about.
  7. opposite28
    opposite28 13 February 2023 14: 54
    0
    Once you've been spotted, you only have a few seconds to reload and aim. If you do not meet this time limit, then you will become a victim

    - says the former head of the South-Eastern Command of the NATO Corps in Romania
    The Romanian general was discovered already when the project to create NATO was just being drafted. request
  8. Uprun
    Uprun 13 February 2023 14: 55
    +6
    Well, I don’t know how they teach there, 9 seconds for a “short” one is a lot, on the 1st course shooting from a place, from a short one and on the move, on the 3-4th course all shooting is only on the move (day / night, snow / rain - according to fig). It’s not comme il faut for a zakidny to hang out on the tower with a shell, and even with a unitary one.
    1. Grits
      Grits 13 February 2023 15: 26
      +4
      Quote from uprun
      It’s not comme il faut to hang around a tower with a projectile, and even with a unitary one, on the move

      Therefore, in Abrams, Negroes are zakidny. They seem to have a stronger head. Where will the Hoh-ly look for such?
      1. al3x
        al3x 13 February 2023 16: 43
        +3
        They will determine which of the 4 is the last one, they will smear it with fuel oil, it will turn out ukroniger laughing
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 15 February 2023 18: 53
        0
        The Negro simply has nothing to injure in his head, only an echo!
  9. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 13 February 2023 14: 56
    -3
    How much preparation time is needed? With intensive training in the region of 6 months. There is no further limit to perfection. We can safely say that the qualification "Master class" is achieved after 24 months of training.
  10. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 13 February 2023 15: 01
    +1
    as well as in Russian.

    And they translate it into Russian so that it would be more convenient for our tankers to master the captured leopards?
  11. 9PA
    9PA 13 February 2023 15: 27
    +1
    Hurrahs scare me, and the chimera is nonsense and the starlink and the penguin. Yes, only the efficiency is high for them
  12. Klmn
    Klmn 13 February 2023 16: 33
    +3
    One thing I don’t understand is that everyone is trumpeting about armor, against armor? Unwind with artillery, birdies, and other useful things against tanks. I don’t see the point in letting tanks on tanks ...
  13. egorMTG
    egorMTG 13 February 2023 17: 51
    +2
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.


    - And yet, you need to try quadrocopters ... equipped with liter (preferably 3 liter) glass jars with incendiary liquid (napalm). Drop the tank on the stern ... Just fill it with "fuel"! ...
    1. garik77
      garik77 13 February 2023 18: 38
      0
      Quote: egorMTG
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      We need 5th generation ATGMs so that they can be launched from the ground and captured from the same Orlan UAV. Then the tank crew will have no chance at all, they will not be able to see where it came from. And if we play cowboys, whoever sees it first and takes out a revolver shoots and hits, then this is no longer a war of the 21st century.


      - And yet, you need to try quadrocopters ... equipped with liter (preferably 3 liter) glass jars with incendiary liquid (napalm). Drop the tank on the stern ... Just fill it with "fuel"! ...

      With a thermite mixture, it will be just wonderful. The combustion temperature is 2300-2700 ° C, the most for fascist tanks!
  14. garik77
    garik77 13 February 2023 18: 36
    0
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    The fifth generation of ATGMs? We are in service and there is no fourth ...

    Well, the Hermes ATGM can probably be attributed to the 5th generation. But nothing is heard about him.

    Only this is hardly just an ATGM. Healthy hurts.
    Length: 3,5 m
    Rocket accelerator diameter: 0,21 m or 0,17 m (depending on range)
    Diameter of the second stage: 0,13 m
    Weight: 90 kg
    More like a stationary missile system. Only put this on a self-propelled chassis.
  15. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 14 February 2023 04: 20
    +1
    The general said it correctly - skills are needed. It is not technology that fights, but people with the help of this technology. And you need skills. Well, there is no ability for technology, you won’t be a cool tanker, carrier, etc. Here I served in the Soviet Army: every week Tuesday driving, Wednesday afternoon shooting, Thursday daytime and nighttime, and what, the results were different for everyone. And they served two years. Well, the Ukrainians will recruit anyone from under the stick, they will teach for four weeks. Yes, in four weeks he will only superficially get acquainted with the materiel and learn to get under way, well, he will pass in a convoy. In short, with such crews, our leopards and abrams will burn.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 19 February 2023 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Well, the Ukrainians will recruit anyone from under the stick, they will teach for four weeks. Yes, in four weeks he will only superficially familiarize himself with the materiel and learn to move off

      Surely, they recruited from among those with good training and combat experience on the T-64/72.
      You don’t need to throw hats on everyone, in a war it will cost extra blood.
  16. Dedok
    Dedok 14 February 2023 15: 37
    +1
    I didn't post yesterday, but...
    what has been said - it is necessary to comprehend - if there is a network connecting all the vehicles during the battle - he correctly says: he left, fired at the highlighted target and left ..
    and if there is no such network ... then, only the iron skills of the commander and crew, but this is not a panacea ...
  17. Pavel57
    Pavel57 15 February 2023 13: 10
    0
    Quote: Captive
    Well, the Romanians are famous "warriors". The Germans will not let you lie. winked

    But they have good military intelligence.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 February 2023 15: 11
    0
    Surprisingly, one does not hear about Romanian tanks and their transfer to Ukraine. They are based on T55. But the SLA is modern there.