School program with A. Solzhenitsyn and N. Ostrovsky "in one bottle": education of a patriot or confusion in the minds of the young generation

Since the collapse of the USSR, the authorities of our country have been trying to find some bonds that will consolidate society and make it more patriotic. It is worth noting that until now, a variety of methods and concepts have been used, which, as the current situation shows, have not brought any significant result.

Why is this happening? The reason is quite prosaic. The thing is that each new braces "contradict the previous ones, which creates a kind of cognitive dissonance in the minds of our fellow citizens. At the same time, this effect is enhanced by the fact that the same people implement conflicting concepts.

A vivid example, to put it mildly, of the oddity of the above approach in his video was analyzed by the popular blogger and historian Klim Zhukov.
According to him, until quite recently, the Russian authorities were sure that the work of Alexander Solzhenitsyn "The Gulag Archipelago" (at least the "lite version") must be present in the school curriculum. Zhukov stressed that this is the same Solzhenitsyn, whom today the same authorities accuse of twisting historical facts and "denigrating" the Soviet legacy.

At the same time, according to the blogger, today, when they are trying to turn the USSR into another brace, Solzhenitsyn is not going to be expelled from the school curriculum. Instead, they want to add Nikolai Ostrovsky and his work “How the Steel Was Tempered” there.

According to Zhukov, after reading Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn and Ostrovsky's How the Steel Was Tempered as part of the same school program, Russian teenagers will not only develop a sense of patriotism, but will also have a terrible confusion in their heads.

Moreover, as the historian emphasized, Nikolai Ostrovsky devoted his whole life to the fight against capitalism, which is naturally eloquently expressed in his works. At the same time, the number of billionaire oligarchs continues to grow in our country, which will also raise many questions from the younger generation about the very “foundations” for which they will have to fight.

Comments

[Nexcom]

all this does not work because the braces are not for the oligarchs. they wanted to spit on the braces. the main thing is to cut down the profit. even if it will be to the detriment of the braces.

[Silver99]

Solzhenitsyn is an enemy and a liar!!! He even composed his own combat biography, was the commander of the sound reconnaissance battery of the 794th OARAD (Separate Army Reconnaissance Artillery Division), this was far enough from the front line and did not pose a real danger. Collect all his writing nonsense and send it to friends in the USA.

[Uncle lee]

Quote from Silver99

Solzhenitsyn is an enemy and a liar!!!

It's clear! But today's children will not read "How the Steel Was Tempered", they will not be inspired by the idea, they will not understand what Pavka Korchagin fought for ... Another era, other mores and values. They will also laugh, like Tonya Tumanova over the beggar Pavka. Everything is much deeper and more serious.
PS and where to include Malchish-Kibalchish and Malchish-Plokhish?
Kibalchish was executed, but Plokhish thrives in our bourgeoisie!

[hrych]

Both that, and that - rubbish. Remove this propaganda blizzard from the school curriculum. Leave only the classics, let them decide the rest. Hurry parents. To stop the consequences of the civil war, you need to throw everything away.

[ramzay21]

Solzhenitsyn is an enemy of our people, just like the oligarchs and the authorities covering them. Therefore, this one in the school curriculum, convincing with its filthy example of the normality of the betrayal of our children, will be before the change of power.
Well, the example of Korchagin is apparently needed for the growing generation to work for pennies and as well as Pavka Korchagin, but not for their country and their people, but for the pocket of an oligarch or a snickering official, whose children live abroad and study completely different.

[hrych]

I am not a supporter of leaving Solzhenitsyn. Lampoons traitor in the furnace. But unlike the punisher-chekist Ostrovsky, there are no thousands of tortured ordinary Russian people behind him. The work itself is a mediocre, propaganda libel to educate the slaves of the Bolshevik regime, which must meekly go into the furnace of the world Revolution (Lucifer's Roar). The goal of both the white-masons and the red-satanists is to build the kingdom of the Antichrist and the new world order. If you still do not understand this, then it is sad. Well, in general, that Solzhenitsyn, that Ostrovsky are simply mediocrity, not worthy of attention and inclusion in the program, not even because of ideology, but because of mediocrity. Is it to put the feces in line with Pushkin? What are you about?

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

I don’t understand, this is when Ostrovsky managed to torture thousands of ordinary people? In August 1919 he went to the front as a volunteer, in August 1920 he was demobilized for health reasons. Well, he served in the special purpose battalion of the Cheka. Well, he fought against Petliura and the Germans. And in the spring of 1920 he moved to the 4th Cavalry Division

[hrych]

Opening Wiki
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Островский,_Николай_Алексеевич
and read
Entry in the military ticket of Nikolai Ostrovsky: "He entered the service in the Red Army voluntarily on August 9, 1919, in the special-purpose battalion of the IChK[5] (Izyaslav Extraordinary Commission)[6]".
Alexander Iosifovich Puzyrevsky, a unit commander in the VUCHK corps in a special purpose group, recalls [6]:
“Under my command in these units was Nikolai Ostrovsky ...
Ostrovsky himself blabbed
he bitterly writes in a letter dated 21.09.1928/1919/10 to A. Zhigireva: “... the idiots in the PSC of the CPSU (b) [during the party purge were expelled from the party and] burned my personal party file, where there were documents about all my work since XNUMX, documents of the Red Army and the Cheka and workers, etc. “They burned them as if they were not taken by me.” How could I take it [the party case] when I was lying down? You bastards!”[XNUMX]

[hrych]

There was such a bandit and punisher Kotovsky, and this one ... was a Chekist, incl. Ostrovsky also worked. What did the security officers do? Did you grow flowers? Torture and reprisals. In the detachment of punishers, full-time punisher. For a year of crimes it is unmeasured and involved in all. Extremely dark person.
https://russian7.ru/post/nikolay-ostrovskiy-kak-krasnyy-kara/
During the two months spent in the rear, Ostrovsky, according to Volkov, was a constant participant in daily night searches, during which the population was openly robbed.
In 1924, he distinguished himself, and even when he turned into a vegetable, he scribbled denunciations. dictated

[Vovanya]

Somehow I decided to refresh my memory and carefully read "How the Steel Was Tempered" ... You can't study this "work" at school - primitive and stupidity, besides, it's "fantastic" - all events were invented by the author. Solzhenitsyn, of course, is an enemy, but at least he writes fluently. Both "in the furnace."

[NikolayDS]

Solzhenitsyn is an enemy and a liar!!!

You might think - in "How the Steel Was Tempered" there is one solid truth. This is a work of art! Although, of course, Varlaam Shalamov, in his correspondence on the offer of cooperation, directly calls Solzhenitsyn a liar, a fool and a scoundrel.

[digger]

he was the first bulker and that's all ....................................... ...

[Andron78]

Solzhenitsyn definitely needs to be removed from the school curriculum, he did not understand what they found great in his writings. The crap is complete and not childish.

[I dare to_notice_]

Well ... "Matryonin Dvor" I would leave.
And the rest ... I agree.
Into the furnace! (With)

[Silver99]

So they made him "great" with a drunken coachman, when American curators wrote us school textbooks, killing the world's best education system of the USSR.

[Nexcom]

Yes, even now some figures are sculpting memorial plaques for him ..... unfortunately.

[75 Sergey]

Solzhenitsyn - pseudonym-mockery, derived from the word lie!
He will lie and take it not expensive - a demagogue bought by the West.

[DonPlease]

They found the problem again, this is not the total unprofessional suitability of the ministers, but Solzhenitsyn. Is he to blame for all the problems? Maybe that's enough, is it worth looking for the real reason?

[Nexcom]

The real reason has long been known and you voiced it. Solzhenitsyn is just one of the episodes of this cause.

[Mazunga]

yes, the goyim can be rid of filok under Ostrovsky and under Solzhenitsyn))) it’s just different for this, no doubt, it’s the right thing to come up with legends and you don’t need a knife for a simpleton))

[Alexander X]

Remove Solzhenitsyn from the school curriculum, include Ostrovsky.
The upbringing of children should not be left to chance. Otherwise, we can get zigging youngsters ...

[Pilot]

Do you propose to educate barchuks in the spirit of communism? The ruling rich dads will tear out their Adam's apple for such an upbringing, why do they need their own kids with a knife in their bosom.

[Mazunga]

yes, the proletarians of mental labor let off steam))) oligarchs are the honor of the mind and conscience of our era)))

[Lech from Android.]

Okay, only school textbooks, but our modern feature films about the Second World War are a complete waste ... they always have an evil NKVD officer, an innocent victim of the Gulag, a terry criminal with special training for special forces and some kind of beauty of school age knocking out a two-meter SS soldier with one blow.
You watch such films and think that the director smoked such a strong smoke while filming this work of art.

[DonPlease]

So even from the state budget they give money for such fakes, and if the picture fails, no one cares, then they give money to the same people

[Silver99]

Well, yes, and even the ironed uniform of the fighters on the front line and the girls smoking cigarettes without a puff in packs, young people look at this as a funny cartoon, not a tragedy.

[Egoza]

Throw Solzhenitsyn URGENTLY! And return the Soviet system of upbringing and education without any USE and the Bologna system. Yes, already in Bologna they recognized that that system does not work, but in the Russian Federation they are still using it!

[Midnight Bear]

How long can you non-stop drive people to the exam who had nothing to do with it in life? The USE is one of the few advantages of today's education, and you need to cling to it with all your might.

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

Well, the decision on the Bologna system has already been made.

[nellyjuri]

Fools will be confused. Who is smarter will understand that you can not take everything on faith. Don't underestimate teenagers.

[Mazunga]

I unequivocally plus))) I already knew in the 4th grade that the rupee collected by nigr in a starving Africa to Nigr Sobsna did not reach))) so the papa was said, the military man does not live. he rushed to the pioneers with both hands, he was the chairman of the council of the detachment in Artek, he didn’t make his way, because he lived in Lithuania, we had only two people from Siauliai, then it was, of course, a fiasco (((but I read three in Jerome’s boat))) oh that summer was especially pleasant I didn’t get into the Komsomol in Lithuania, it had already become unfashionable by that time

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

A ruble for starving Africa? Collected from
schoolchildren? Something like bullshit. And the type of teacher did not know where your parents are and who they work with? Don't make fun of my slippers. And what did you think that they just gave a ticket to Artek? I lived in Vorkuta. So my friend, it seems, once went to Artek, but his dad was a miner. Then it was a very respected profession. My father was a pilot, but there was no chance of getting to Artek. Tickets weren't sold there. Everything went along the trade union line, well, they could also fall off along the Komsomol line.

[DefenderofTruth]

A school, like any university, like the state as a whole, must have an ideology clearly formulated by the founders.
Proceeding from this ideology, upbringing and the curriculum are formed, including literature textbooks.

A state without a state, obligatory, constitutionally established ideology is like a ship without a compass and without a rudder.

And in the Russian Federation there is no state ideology due to a direct ban in article 13 of the colonial one, imposed by the American advisers of the EBN on the Constitution of the Russian Federation of 1993.

Hence all the anti-Soviet vomit in the school curriculum of literature like the traitor and traitor to the Motherland Solzhenitsyn, who spent his entire worthless life pouring mud on his Soviet Motherland in the USSR from across the ocean at the behest of the CIA, writing slanderous lampoons on the Soviet system and the Soviet way of life.

And while the leadership of the Russian Federation will officially honor traitors, traitors to the Motherland, enemies of the USSR and Russia, erect monuments to Solzhenitsyn, Krasnov, Mannerheim, our children and grandchildren will absorb all this schizophrenia of incompatible views.

[Mazunga]

what deep meaning is concentrated in this commentary, and by the number of minuses it is clear that your theory undoubtedly needs to be improved but is not without originality)))

[Maks1995]

Well done Klim. And the education is good, and he is not deprived of logic, and he knows history and philosophy. and even their origins...
And he says it's interesting...

But alas, lovers of Solzhenitsyn, Ilyin and galoshes have power. And nothing can be done about it.

[South Ukrainian]

Anyone who is at least a little familiar with the biography of Solzhenitsyn will never read his nonsense. He was a rather vile person and wrote outright lies. He has no place in the curriculum.

[rocket757]

Since the collapse of the USSR, the authorities of our country have been trying to find some bonds that will consolidate society and make it more patriotic. It is worth noting that until now, a variety of methods and concepts have been used, which, as the current situation shows, have not brought any significant result.

Capitalists, exploiter, huckster ... he had to destroy the foundations, concepts, aspirations of the disillusioned, confused Soviet man !!! He needs to bring up a malleable, stupid layman, whom he can twirl the way he wants !!!
So they would have managed with one Solzhenitsyn, etc., but then it turned out that it’s bad for him that the foreign sharks of capitalism are ready to gobble up the local fat carp, with giblets !!!
So the locals needed someone to protect them, preserve them, and apart from the local inhabitants, no one can effectively do this !!!
That's just how to make those whom you robbed, someone you despise before, to protect themselves loved ones??? For money, you can hire a "guard" and I will protect you from a small gang, and when a VERY SMALL GANG ran into you !!! What to do.....
In general, the causes, the effect, are more or less defined, but with the consequences, everything is not so fast ....

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[quote = DonPlease] Found the problem again, this is not the total unprofessional suitability of the ministers, but Solzhenitsyn. Is he to blame for all the problems? Maybe that's enough, is it worth looking for the real reason?
I don't like it when they look for mid-level switchmen, it's stupid and unconstructive. Everyone knows that the fish rots from the head, well, it’s not for nothing that the repressions of the 30-50s are called Stalinist. And now there is a special transition, on the one hand, the ruling oligarchs want people to live on a beggarly wage, to fight like "patriots" (the word is stammering, they are now adopting a law on the use of such words), as in the Great Patriotic War. At the same time, capitalists and liberals were respected. Eg. what Shakhnazarov writes - "Putin at the beginning of his reign was a Westerner and a liberal", I translate, I shared the rules and values ​​​​of the oligarchs. And people do not change, adapt, play. Yes, but they don't change. Proof. The President declares that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest geopolitical tragedy, bravo, but that an alliance could exist with the oligarchs, no. Duality and confusion. The collapse of the union is unfortunate, but at the parade the mausoleum was covered with a rag, the founder of the union. So that everything else, and in the economy, ideology, education, etc. etc. is a consequence.

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Quote from DefenderofTruth

A state without a state, obligatory, constitutionally established ideology is like a ship without a compass and without a rudder.

Ideology is a double-edged thing, it needs torment and repression, or an information vacuum. To you. what is closer?

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Quote from DefenderofTruth

A state without a state, obligatory, constitutionally established ideology is like a ship without a compass and without a rudder.

Many times here I asked what or who this state is. which you owe, what kind of amorphous substance?

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Quote: Lech from Android.

Okay, only school textbooks, but our modern feature films about the Second World War are a complete waste ... they always have an evil NKVD officer, an innocent victim of the Gulag, a terry criminal with special training for special forces and some kind of beauty of school age knocking out a two-meter SS soldier with one blow.
You watch such films and think that the director smoked such a strong smoke while filming this work of art.

This is just propaganda and a tribute to fashion, the authors of these "films" do not dig deep, they are imprisoned for serials. You are right, it's funny to look, clean-shaven, with the look of a person who has only taken his eyes off the computer, a fearful Jewish director, at the main place of work, who does not like shabashka, and thoughts about the Maldives. The main thing is that money is allocated.

[Bartolomeo Rossi]

What is the tortured story “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich” worth, where Solzhenitsyn describes the horrors of the Stalinist camps in colors, and he himself held administrative positions in the camps, did not work a day with hard work, read books and regularly received parcels from his wife. "Martyr" of the era.

[dump22]

"One day of Ivan Denisovich", where Solzhenitsyn describes the horrors of Stalin's camps in colors

Have you actually read this story?
I've read and in my opinion there is no horror there.
Everything is simple and everyday there, no "colors", but only one day of a hard-working man with hands, a peasant in a correctional camp, is described in detail.

And most importantly, well, let Solzhenitsyn lie, all right, I agree to believe you here.
And then who wrote the truth about the camps of that era, from whom can you read about the current situation in the camps? Who do you recommend reading?

For example, I also read the autobiography of Vadim Tumanov, a close friend of Vysotsky.
"To lose everything - and start again with a dream ...".
At the age of 20, he himself was arrested, tried and served 8 years in 1948-1956 under Article 58, paragraphs 6, 8 and 10. This is for "espionage, terror, anti-Soviet agitation."
And he writes about the camps of the era where he was imprisoned, much darker and much more terrible than Solzhenitsyn.

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Quote: Egoza

Throw Solzhenitsyn URGENTLY! And return the Soviet system of upbringing and education without any USE and the Bologna system. Yes, already in Bologna they recognized that that system does not work, but in the Russian Federation they are still using it!

That's right, and make everyone work, as Pavka Korchagin worked, and most importantly with the same pay and under the same conditions))

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

My salary under the USSR suited me quite well, as did the attitude towards me as a specialist. And there was no need to force me. It was me in the 90s who turned into nothing. I don't understand what you are trying to scare?

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Quote from Silver99

So they made him "great" with a drunken coachman, when American curators wrote us school textbooks, killing the world's best education system of the USSR.

You are mistaken, the Nobel Prize was given to him at the scoop, and then we studied the great creation of the Secretary General "Small Land"

[Plover]

As Solzhenitsyn is not being read now, so Ostrovsky will not be. The school literature curriculum influences the worldview of modern children by 3 percent at best (alas).

[Midnight Bear]

You are absolutely right. It is a pity that other commentators have so many illusions about the influence of school literature on the consciousness of young minds.

[samarin1969]

Why is this happening? The reason is quite prosaic. The thing is that every new braces "contradict the previous ones, which creates a kind of cognitive dissonance in the minds of our fellow citizens.

Yes, there is no "cognitive dissonance"! At school, almost no one knows (does not read) either Ostrovsky or Solzhenitsyn. All "strong" "events" are held in the format of an advertisement about a decorative "meeting" of men in a bathhouse.
The problem of the school curriculum is a storm in a teacup.

[Plover]

I agree with you. Unfortunately, most of those who write about the need to "revise" the humanitarian part of the school curriculum mistakenly think that this will somehow affect the "consciousness" of children. Alas, this is an extrapolation of my life experience from the past to today. My school childhood fell on the 90s and even then the school lost what it was in terms of "cultivating a person." Do you think things have changed in the opposite direction now? Modern children receive information that affects their personal formation through completely different channels. It is for these channels that we must fight. And a hypothetical new program on literature in this regard is like a dead poultice. Alas, but it is. And even more "alas" that many do not understand this

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Quote from Bartolomeo Rossi

What is the tortured story “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich” worth, where Solzhenitsyn describes the horrors of the Stalinist camps in colors, and he himself held administrative positions in the camps, did not work a day with hard work, read books and regularly received parcels from his wife. "Martyr" of the era.

Alas, everything was not easy there, so you can say that the "Kolyma stories" - "tortured?
"One day of Ivan Denisovich" is the revenge of a very offended person, nothing more. Moreover, if Solzhenitsyn had not existed, another would have appeared who was supposed to describe these events. Solzhenitsyn is negatively viewed for another reason, that he raised it to an income, a bonus. which means inviolability and lack of jurisdiction, money, and then he was carried to the Zemstvo and denunciation of everything and everything. But there is no beautiful language there, and artistry, strongly reminiscent of Bunin's biographies, such as: Tolstoy, Gorky, everything is simply saturated with hatred ....

[iury.vorgul]

Why are we surprised. When ... the elite has Ostrovsky and Solzhenitsyn in their heads at the same time - this is political schizophrenia!

[Plover]

This is not schizophrenia, but hypocrisy. This can happen only in one case: these figures are the negative characters of both authors, who are one and the same

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Quote: Egoza

Throw Solzhenitsyn URGENTLY! And return the Soviet system of upbringing and education without any USE and the Bologna system. Yes, already in Bologna they recognized that that system does not work, but in the Russian Federation they are still using it!

So Bulgakov should be banned again? There was an ideology, but it does not tolerate the breadth of opinions, I'm talking about the Soviet system. No. Well, of course, whoever wanted, received a pass to the Setskhran and read the same Bulgakov. I mean, it's not all that simple. Moreover, I don’t think to denigrate anything, I just state how it was then, many do not know this and simply repeat, like a mantra, someone once said. The Soviet one could exist under socialism, now it doesn’t, it’s like pulling words out of a song.

[Amateur]

So Bulgakov should be banned again? There was an ideology

Where did you find Bulgakov's ideology? There is nothing but cruel satire. You will also propose to ban Ilf and Petrov, because they were also treated with irony in the Soviet government.

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Quote: hrych

I am not a supporter of leaving Solzhenitsyn. Lampoons traitor in the furnace. But unlike the punisher-chekist Ostrovsky, there are no thousands of tortured ordinary Russian people behind him. The work itself is a mediocre, propaganda libel to educate the slaves of the Bolshevik regime, which must meekly go into the furnace of the world Revolution (Lucifer's Roar). The goal of both the white-masons and the red-satanists is to build the kingdom of the Antichrist and the new world order. If you still do not understand this, then it is sad. Well, in general, that Solzhenitsyn, that Ostrovsky are simply mediocrity, not worthy of attention and inclusion in the program, not even because of ideology, but because of mediocrity. Is it to put the feces in line with Pushkin? What are you about?

Stunned, the revolutionary Ostrovsky was opposed to the revolutionary Pushkin. For your information, when the emperor asked Pushkin where you would be at the time of the uprising, if you were in St. Petersburg, the answer was given - "On the Senate Square." Ostrovsky, this is the Russian Che Guevara, saddens. that you did not even understand ... however.

[hrych]

Pushkin told you? Or did the Bolsheviks come up with?

[hrych]

Actually it was. And never, in any textbooks of history or literature, was Pushkin's letter to the Sovereign Emperor Nicholas the First, which he dated May 11, 1826, mentioned. Here is the letter:
“Most Merciful Sovereign!
In 1824, having the misfortune of earning the wrath of the late Emperor, I was turned off from service and exiled to the village, where I am under the supervision of the provincial authorities.
Now, with hope for the generosity of Your Imperial Majesty, with true repentance and with a firm intention not to contradict my opinions with the generally accepted order (in which I am ready to pledge by subscription and on my word of honor), I decided to resort to Your Imperial Majesty with a gracious request ...
My health, which was deranged in my early youth, and the type of aneurysm have long required constant treatment, in which I present the testimony of physicians. I dare to most humbly ask for permission to go either to Moscow, or to St. Petersburg, or to foreign lands.
And then, on a separate piece of paper, he made a postscript:
“I, the undersigned, undertake henceforth not to belong to any secret societies, under whatever name they exist; I testify here that I have not belonged and do not belong to any secret society and never knew about them.

[Ghost1]

And who suggested including the Gulag Archipelago in the school curriculum? Was it really some kind of navelny or similar who is now not in power? But no, we read the news for 2009 - https://rg.ru/2009/09/10/gulag.html

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Quote: Ghost1

And who suggested including the Gulag Archipelago in the school curriculum? Was it really some kind of navelny or similar who is now not in power? But no, we read the news for 2009 - https://rg.ru/2009/09/10/gulag.html

Those who understand the desire for "power", and the deputies accept a lot of things from us. Did someone ask you though? No. So your opinions, if not the all-powerful oligarch. didn't care.
This is the essence of the oligarchic state.

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Quote: South Ukrainian

Anyone who is at least a little familiar with the biography of Solzhenitsyn will never read his nonsense. He was a rather vile person and wrote outright lies. He has no place in the curriculum.

You won’t believe it, they read the Marquis de Sade, and Solzhenitsvyn, compared to De Sade, is just a lamb of God))

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Quote from Uncle Lee

It's clear! But today's children will not read "How the Steel Was Tempered", they will not be inspired by the idea, they will not understand what Pavka Korchagin fought for ... Another era, other mores and values. They will also laugh, like Tonya Tumanova over the beggar Pavka. Everything is much deeper and more serious.
PS and where to include Malchish-Kibalchish and Malchish-Plokhish?
Kibalchish was executed, but Plokhish thrives in our bourgeoisie!

Moreover, Prigozhin uploads photos of his own, who died from a lack of shells, with the words, you are to blame, let us fight. Vasilv. "And the dawns here are quiet" - a modern interpretation. A certain air defense unit, female, is observing the landing of enemy landing troops. Having read Ostrovsky, they forget to hold a press conference with a demand. heavy artillery and shells, otherwise we won’t fight, they also forgot about their salaries. As a result, they decide on a complete adventure, where the chances are 100 to 1 that they will die. Since they are opposed by special forces. armed, having means of communication, trained in everything and everyone. And even volunteers do not help ours. The result, everyone died, miraculously one survived and they didn’t give him a prize. The question is, did Prigozhin read Ostrovsky? Say demagogy. yes, then you don’t need to touch the Soviet ones, the comparison will not be in your direction.

[Prisoner]

Solzhenitsyn out! It is harmful for a mature person to slip this creature, and they are for kids. Vrazhins.

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Quote: hrych

There was such a bandit and punisher Kotovsky, and this one ... was a Chekist, incl. Ostrovsky also worked. What did the security officers do? Did you grow flowers? Torture and reprisals. In the detachment of punishers, full-time punisher. For a year of crimes it is unmeasured and involved in all. Extremely dark person.
https://russian7.ru/post/nikolay-ostrovskiy-kak-krasnyy-kara/
During the two months spent in the rear, Ostrovsky, according to Volkov, was a constant participant in daily night searches, during which the population was openly robbed.
In 1924, he distinguished himself, and even when he turned into a vegetable, he scribbled denunciations. dictated

It's stunned that people have ignorance in their heads, obviously not Russians. There is such a novel "I came to give you freedom." As you understand, the main character is a thief and a murderer. Then the question is, why did he go down in history? Apparently, in the opinion of some, it should be forgotten, whether the modern oligarchs are clean as morning dew. I would advise you to read why your "new" hero Kolchak went down in history with the nickname hanger, or can you tell me who did not hang in the white movement? Or, for example, on January 9, did the workers commit suicide or were the policemen who carried out the will of the bourgeoisie shot? Brad, such an impression that a person has three classes of the church parish school. And this is the 21st century?

[hrych]

Ostrovsky is really not Russian. Kolchak is not my hero. Although a sailor and a researcher, at least someone is against this bandos. And it's not for you to judge me if I consider his little books mediocre, propaganda fiction, which is what it is. Artistic value - zero.

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Your idol finished it

[Nikanor1993]

I decided at one time to get acquainted with this creation. It didn’t seem to go badly, BUT when Isaich begins to overwrite how wonderful everyone lived under the tsar, I remembered Chekhov’s story “Men”, after that I could no longer take his work seriously.
PS Zecameron, written on this topic, has about the same jambs, but is written much more literary, the author does not pretend to be a great martyr, he was able to master him to the end and did not notice such a chernukha about the camps as Isaich did.

[dump22]

"The Gulag Archipelago" is too boring in my opinion. And the book is too thick. Worse than this novel is only Tolstoy's War and Peace.

If it is to be included in the school curriculum, then “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich”.

[patxi46]

Capital has no home. Your home is where your money is.

[dfk-80]

Both in the furnace. You need to read Jules Verne - expands the horizons, Jack London - expands everything. About the Gulag there is a good book of memoirs of a doctor of science in biology - where he ended up as a teenager (16-17 years old).
I will never forget how he got up in the zone, advising me to plant potato eyes and eat the bulk. Neighboring zones either planted everything or ate everything. And storage of the same potatoes. Worth a read. And forensic medicine is a good book, sobering, raising survival rates.

[dfk-80]

Everyone has forgotten the most important thing - any revolution is, first of all, when the people who manage taxes do not answer in any way to those who pay these taxes. And 1905, and February - but at least the American war for independence.

[Amateur]

It is necessary to remove not only Solzhenitsyn from the school curriculum, but also Ostrovsky, Gorky and other Soviet writers of the first half of the 20th century. They are incomprehensible to today's children. There are many Soviet writers who brought up patriotism without slipping into communist propaganda. An example is Boris Vasiliev with his outstanding "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" and "He Was Not on the Lists" and others.
Another example is books about decency and duty by Anatoly Aleksin.
Why, in addition to Pushkin's poems, modern children should not study the poems of V. Vysotsky. There is a lot of patriotism in them.
There are many other worthy writers and poets whose work is aimed at the patriotic education of young people.

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Where did you find Bulgakov's ideology? There is nothing but cruel satire. You will also propose to ban Ilf and Petrov, because they were also treated with irony in the Soviet government.

Bulgakov was banned under Soviet rule, there was a period under Stalin when he was published, but under him he was also banned, learn history. Ideology is present in Bulgakov, including in satire, however tough satire, if it is written as "bastards ate commissars" - Fatal eggs. It was banned for ideological reasons, socialist realism and The Master and Margarita, what do you have in common, you apparently didn’t live then, but are you too lazy to read history?

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Another example is books about decency and duty by Anatoly Aleksin.
Why, in addition to Pushkin's poems, modern children should not study the poems of V. Vysotsky. There is a lot of patriotism in them.
There are many other worthy writers and poets whose work is aimed at the patriotic education of young people.

What you wrote is complete nonsense, you think that poets and writers write for something or someone. They are different, they write, because this is their way of life, they cannot live without it, although some do not succeed in political correctness and high artistry. With Vysotsky, I agree - "Let there be big changes in front, I will never love it." This should be hung at the entrance to the school)))

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Ostrovsky is really not Russian. Kolchak is not my hero. Although a sailor and a researcher, at least someone is against this bandos. And it's not for you to judge me if I consider his little books mediocre, propaganda fiction, which is what it is. Artistic value - zero.

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Your idol finished it

I did not claim that "How the Steel Was Tempered" is a highly artistic work. I told you that this is the Russian Che Guevara, why don't you write on the Internet that people wearing T-shirts with a portrait of Che are subject to condemnation and contempt. Che was not a revolutionary? He did not shoot, he did not act against the capitalists with weapons? Why is Che revered all over the world? He died for his faith, selflessly. And Ostrovsky? Find the fundamental difference.