The US Army is considering an alternative to the failed test of the upgraded version of the Javelin G ATGM

Currently, work on the new Javelin G model has been suspended for several months. The reason for this was the unsuccessful tests that were carried out in 2022 and revealed a number of shortcomings in the new ATGM model. About it writes the publication Breaking Defense.

It is known that earlier a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Raytheon Javelin signed a contract for the development of a new FGM-148G ATGM. But the testing of the modified version was suspended after numerous shortcomings were identified in their process.

However, the Pentagon stressed that delays in testing the model will not affect the production of earlier ATGM models, which is now ramping up due to the fact that a huge number of Javelins were delivered to Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the US Army is considering an alternative to a new modification of the Javelin ATGM. This is a reusable lightweight launcher LW CLU. Work on its creation, apparently, is going better than in the case of a modified version of Javelin.

The CLU has day and night sights for surveillance and target acquisition, according to the FY 2022 Weapons Development Programs Public Report. The transfer of a large number of man-portable complexes to Ukraine contributed to the acceleration of work on the creation of the LW CLU, according to the press service of the US Army.

The Pentagon expects by January 2024 to make a decision on the production of such complexes. In the future, they can replace Javelin. But to start production, a large number of tests will be required, including at the Fort Greeley test center in Alaska and at the Yuma Army test site in Arizona.

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[Leader_Barmaleev]

Currently, work on the new Javelin G model is suspended

Apparently, this Javelin turned out to be a complete G...

[Dart2027]

I don’t remember that these Javelins somehow showed themselves in Ukraine.

[Aaron Zawi]

Let them take a license for Spike and they will be happy.

[Bingo]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Let them take a license for Spike and they will be happy.

Some have already taken Zhabelins, believing the hucksters ... Now they don’t know where to attach them - just throw out the rocket and weld the pipe to the potbelly stove. How about spikes, is the tube longer? Do it with a lid so that the potbelly stove does not flood with rain.
There is a different theater of operations and a different specificity of application - here "shot and forget" is not needed at all, but a remote control is useful - because they are shy around, for example, bunkers, where an expensive and independent rocket is excessively expensive and you never need to fucking, even harmful.

[Aaron Zawi]

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Quote: Aron Zaavi

Let them take a license for Spike and they will be happy.

Some have already taken Zhabelins, believing the hucksters ... Now they don’t know where to attach them - just throw out the rocket and weld the pipe to the potbelly stove. How about spikes, is the tube longer? Do it with a lid so that the potbelly stove does not flood with rain.
There is a different theater of operations and a different specificity of application - here "shot and forget" is not needed at all, but a remote control is useful - because they are shy around, for example, bunkers, where an expensive and independent rocket is excessively expensive and you never need to fucking, even harmful.

Bad anti-tank systems you say? This is how you apparently evaluate it thanks to your combat experience over the past year? Very interesting, but where did you cross them near Kiev, Kharkov or Bakhmut? In general, how do your fellow tankers evaluate the effectiveness of these anti-tank systems?

[Bingo]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Very interesting, but where did you cross them near Kiev, Kharkov or Bakhmut?

It’s very interesting, maybe YOU crossed paths with the spike at the ready with the T-90 near Bakhmut to ask me? Well, maybe at least your OBSiKP intersected? Under Bakhmut? Is there anything to say on the case, except for transitions to personalities? Or again tell how Israeli scientists recently predicted an earthquake in the region in 48 hours?
Here, by the way, they get banned for this, I said a couple of times exactly where I was - they rubbed it right away, well done. Indeed, this is not the case.

[aszzz888]

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Quote: Aaron Zawi
Very interesting, but where did you cross them near Kiev, Kharkov or Bakhmut?

It’s very interesting, maybe YOU crossed paths with the spike at the ready with the T-90 near Bakhmut to ask me? ..

Well, it sucks for everything Merikatos. Even shit, if only maid in usa!

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

How do you rate it based on your combat experience? Well, share it.

[marswell]

So it only crows and there, at least, do not dawn)))

[Derrick Whatesson]

For everyone to understand, at times more powerful and efficient, "Cornet", launched from a tripod

[svoroponov]

All defeats with stationary targets or when they stop .. That is, if it moves, then hitting is problematic. And if it maneuvers, then even a hit is not guaranteed.
In addition, it’s not clear, okay, is there a hit, but penetration and destruction?

This I mean that advertising is the engine of trade. But in fact, how is it?
And then the Israelis boasted of the Merkavas and their non-penetration, but somehow they missed the appearance of frames when their total number of 56 pieces during the hostilities were fired by TOU and Cotrnets, though they announced the losses, but only in the amount of 6 pieces. This is all you need to know and keep in mind when advertising one or another Western weapon. All data about invincibility is for sale.

[SoloD]

Such "specialists" have always made me happy... Losses of tanks, these are tanks beyond repair, but... find out how many tank crews were destroyed? Unbreakable??? But can you find out where such information comes from (if you can link to Israeli sources)? In what projection are they not penetrated, and how are they not penetrated? For what theater of operations were they created and why are they loved by their crews (and they are very loved)? Which (by number) Merkavas did you call "non-piercing"?
What is the main idea behind this series of tanks?
Please answer these questions, and then re-read your rather snobbish and amateurish post.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

You were shown a video where moving targets are hit, among other things.

[Tim666]

Quote: Dart2027

I don’t remember that these Javelins somehow showed themselves in Ukraine.

Tik tok has enough videos with roofers.

[AlexWar]

I'm thinking, why keep it on your shoulder? To twist your shoulder?

[dmi.pris1]

The rocket is pushed out by the charge and starts at some distance from the shooter. The recoil is the same as when using an RPG. But the "TOU" is launched from the machine ..

[Leader_Barmaleev]

On the shoulder, this thing is held only to make it convenient to aim. And she has no recoil from the word at all, exactly like all anti-tank grenade launchers - behind all these systems there is a nozzle and the jet stream completely compensates for the momentum of the shot. Well, since this is a mobile one-time system, any machine for it will significantly reduce mobility.

[solar]

as it is a mobile disposable system

I'll correct it a little - it's reusable.

[DMFalke]

Reusable there is only a control unit, a pipe with a rocket is disposable.

[Bingo]

In fact, it pleases that the mattresses have lied to themselves so much that they themselves believed in their fairy tales, that this is a superweapon - and they are faced with the logical fact that reality is not Hollywood cartoons, and that you don’t mold in advertising, but objectively, you made a publicity shit that only works in a lab.
But they cut it notably))) By the way, the fact that no conclusions have been drawn from the use in Ukraine at all suggests that the situation with the purchase of weapons in the United States has already come to a disaster. Only Zhabelin's habit of aiming at fires leaves the army without anti-tank weapons on the battlefield - after shelling even in winter, in the snow - something is always burning somewhere

[solar]

ATGMs and Javelins, last but not least, played a role in the fact that the initial phase of the NWO did not go according to plan. They were used against support columns, and quite effectively. And now tanks have practically disappeared from the front lines, in most cases they shoot from closed positions with indirect fire and are actually used instead of self-propelled guns.

[Bingo]

Quote from solar

They were used against support columns, and quite effectively.

You immediately crap that Zhabelin is a clean cut. Why the hell against support columns, trucks with armored personnel carriers, drop dead armor penetration, a blow to the roof and a fire-and-forget system, that is, everything that gives Zhabelin an excess price and is one of his only pluses ?!
Voila - you proved that Zhabelin is fucking useless gomno, STEAMED to suckers

[Tim666]

If we assume that the life of a soldier is worth nothing, then the RPG-7 is unrivaled in terms of price-quality ratio, only the Americans say that the most valuable military property is a soldier.

[Bingo]

Quote from Tim666

that the most valuable military property is a soldier.

Therefore, he was given an ATGM that aims not at the tank, but at the fire behind the tank. Great story, already funny. Tell us how they value the lives of the fighters, that their bases in Iraq were not covered at all by any air defense, as it turned out after the first shelling of the bases by Iran. The linden should be linden, not oak, write it down for yourself, otherwise you will forget

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

From the very beginning, the Javelins, along with the Bayraktars, were mentioned only before the start of the NWO. After, for some reason, they were completely forgotten. When there is information about NWO, what is most often mentioned? That's right, three axes and Hymers, but I don’t hear anything about such superweapons as Javelins and Bayraktars. It seems that their effectiveness in SVO conditions turned out to be close to zero.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Of the ATGMs, the Stugnas were most mentioned.

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

Yeah. For some reason, the video showed the joint work of the tank and the "Terminator" and both hit with direct fire

[solar]

the US Army is considering an alternative to the new Javelin ATGM modification. We are talking about a reusable lightweight launcher LW CLU ... In the future, they can replace Javelin ..

The author made me laugh. LW CLU (Lightweight Command Launch Unit) is the Javelin, its Lightweight Command Launch Unit. Only with the possibility of launching, in addition to the Javelin itself, also the Stinger from the same launcher. Universal launcher for infantry "for all occasions", including UAVs.

Raytheon has successfully demonstrated a Stinger missile launch from a Javelin Light Command Launcher (LWCLU) in a test in which the missile hit an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV).

The LWCLU has traditionally been used to launch Javelin missiles, but Raytheon said the launcher's optics make it suitable for independent reconnaissance, surveillance and reconnaissance missions.

https://www.army-technology.com/news/raytheon-launches-stinger-missile-from-javelin-launcher/

Raytheon Missiles & Defense announced the successful completion of the first-ever demonstration of the FIM-92J Stinger PROX anti-aircraft missile, launched from an upgraded lightweight Javelin Weapon System (LWCLU) command and control launcher in an anti-aircraft system (CUAS) ...

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/raytheon-demonstrates-stinger-with-javelin-lwclu-in-cuas-role

[cold wind]

Logical decision. A single launcher and various missiles for it.

[Illanatol]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

The missile is pushed out by the charge and starts at some distance from the shooter. The recoil is the same as when using an RPG.

There is no recoil when fired from an RPG. On the contrary, the arrow pulls forward a little (reactive force), so it is better to shoot from the knee.

[Fizik13]

The US Army is considering an alternative to the failed test of the upgraded version of the Javelin G ATGM

RPG-7 rocks!!!!!!!!!!

[uncle Vlad]

Again, they will be too smart and adopt complete crap. After they invite an advertiser and they will spin and make candy out of shit

[Fitter65]

Currently, work on the new Javelin G model has been suspended for several months. The reason for this was the unsuccessful tests that were carried out in 2022 and revealed a number of shortcomings in the new ATGM model.

And as I read, ours, who train with Javelins at the training grounds, say that they have mastered this ATGM without any problems ...

[Nord11]

What, Americans, dekitaization of the military industry is limping on two legs and complaining about its back? Call the specialists from the square, they are like that Piglet, completely free until Friday ..

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Yes, "Stugna" is a very good ATGM.

[Tim666]

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Quote from Tim666

that the most valuable military property is a soldier.

Therefore, he was given an ATGM that aims not at the tank, but at the fire behind the tank. Great story, already funny. Tell us how they value the lives of the fighters, that their bases in Iraq were not covered at all by any air defense, as it turned out after the first shelling of the bases by Iran. The linden should be linden, not oak, write it down for yourself, otherwise you will forget

Did you personally shoot the Javelin and he aimed at the fire? From a technical point of view, this is extremely doubtful, because in the 21st century to make a selection

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Quote from Tim666

that the most valuable military property is a soldier.

Therefore, he was given an ATGM that aims not at the tank, but at the fire behind the tank. Great story, already funny. Tell us how they value the lives of the fighters, that their bases in Iraq were not covered at all by any air defense, as it turned out after the first shelling of the bases by Iran. The linden should be linden, not oak, write it down for yourself, otherwise you will forget

Where does this nonsense about aiming at a fire come from? You personally shot 10 pieces and they aimed at the fires? And why confirm the launch with an incorrect target capture? Or are you saying that during the flight the rocket is redirected to the fire? Well, it looks like an attempt to pass off a one-time event that may have taken place as an axiom. Do you think that the matrix in the Javelin rocket is worse than in modern Chinese household thermal imagers and cannot distinguish the thermal signature of a tank from a fire. Another thing is if, say, a tank drove up close to a flaming wooden house, then there is a chance to deceive the matrix.
The statement you issued smacks of an attempt to pass off a one-time marriage as a win over stupid ami)))
Hooray-patriotism is evil.

[Tim666]

Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel

Of the ATGMs, the Stugnas were most mentioned.

If you are talking about the number of intelligible videos, then this is understandable, the calculation is in the shelter, only operators are at work, the rest of the calculation members can comfortably shoot. The rollers then basically reflect what is happening on the screen of the control tablet. Lying down for filming next to the launcher, for example Fagot or Javelin, is a so-so pleasure.