First of all, first of all - planes. Well, what about the pilots? And the pilots - then

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First of all, first of all - planes. Well, what about the pilots? And the pilots - then

In the information field, knowledgeable people are trying to "create contrast" in the issue of receiving Western combat aircraft by the Ukrainian Reich. But in this case, the issue of delivery is not at all interesting for discussion. Since, unlike armored vehicles, aircraft themselves can fly.

And the time from the decision to the moment the F-16 or Eurofighter touches the Ukrainian airfield can be calculated in hours, not months.



The imitation of surprise by the Nazi clown about the terms of training of campfjet pilots and the answer voiced to him in public is a divorce of the purest water. Ordinary information fog, not worthy of our attention. This issue has long been discussed among them at the level of experts, and the Ukrainian "grandchildren of Goering" even know in what classrooms they will comprehend the science of dying and how long they will be taught this.

But we also want to know...


I don’t have an informant at NATO headquarters yet, so let’s turn to open sources.

There you can also learn a lot of interesting things.


A short translation of what interests us from this article.

All pilots of the Luftwaffe Eurofighter are trained at the air base in Laag, in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. A total of 24 Eurofighters are available here. 14 German-Single (single) and ten German-Trainer (double) machines are piloted by 32 pilots. 17 of them are flight instructors. The basic Eurofighter course lasts about eight months here. Already trained jet pilots take about four months to convert from, for example, a Tornado to a Eurofighter.


This article was written quite a long time ago. When fascism was in a dangerous concentration in Ukraine, it was compactly concentrated only in the heads of Tyagniboks and Farion. And the world lived with relaxed rolls.

The article is at the same time very narrow-minded and is dedicated to the first female jet fighter pilot in the German Air Force. That is not to trust the material, in fact, there is no reason.

How quickly you can retrain a pilot from a MiG or Su, we will not guess. But this period is clearly not years, but months. Let 6 or 8. But this is a very close and bad future for everyone.

Trying to figure out the red line from a country that can cross over any of the "extreme experimenters"? Occupation is so-so.

Tankers are good guys, I myself have something to do with this fun. But pilots are “piece goods”! Each is more expensive than the aircraft on which it flies.

Prepare, for your money, give them something to fly, than serve what they let fly and ...
Just so that they "flew" in gratitude to the third world? Short and humane. Short, because missiles fly quickly from continent to continent, and humane, because there will be no one to cry.

"Laxative" is not enough


Theories about "weakening Russia" by Western aircraft and tanks - Can't handle criticism. "Laxative" is not enough. Ukraine will end earlier.

But then, like a locomotive that has accelerated, Russia has a braking distance, who knows where it will end? Not everyone in Europe can have time to rebound ...

Now let's get back to those who wanted to fight the Russians in the Russian sky with the "Bandera swastika" on their wings. They will indeed be prepared diligently... But, in my opinion, with a completely different purpose.

The last and most valuable resource for Europe in the Saloreich are those who devoutly hate Russia and everything Russian/Soviet. If such an individual is also trained in all sorts of useful tricks of waking flight, then it is very reasonable to warm it up and take it “under your wing”.

Looking more closely, we will see that all programs for the reception of refugees are precisely their ultimate goal - for Poland, the taming of banderlogs, who emigrate to Polish construction sites in whole villages. For Germans, this is a unique opportunity to tweak their demographics with Ukrainian women of productive age and Ukrainian children (future taxpayers).

Question. How do you think? Do deliveries of planes and tanks to Ukraine contribute to the preservation of infrastructure and housing stock in Ukraine? The answer is obvious. It logically follows from this that there will be no one who wants to return to the ruins.

Regarding those who left for Germany, I recently read it in the German press. The Germans opened their mouths when it turned out that the percentage of people who came to them with a higher education was above 70%! At 30% with a penny on average in Germany. The same principle applies to the military. You need a cow like this.

Five or ten pilots with combat experience, who know the tactics of the Russian Aerospace Forces, who speak Russian - for any NATO country this is a tasty morsel. Even if they never need their experience, against the background of the alleged benefits, it is not expensive to simply feed them until retirement, while having it at hand.

In other words, the West can promise ukroreikh even planes, even starships. But it is better to take the pilots closer to you and teach, and learn from them. And for what? It will be visible there.
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  1. +11
    14 February 2023 04: 04
    Regarding those who left for Germany, I recently read it in the German press. The Germans opened their mouths when it turned out that the percentage of people who came to them with a higher education was above 70%! At 30% with a penny on average in Germany.

    For one small "but". "TAM" does not count at all with higher education received on the territory of the former CIS.
    1. +21
      14 February 2023 04: 59
      Diplomas are not considered, but knowledge is very much considered. They just get more for less money.
      1. +7
        14 February 2023 09: 54
        Knowledge and diplomas are taken into account and must be confirmed. But ..... the problem is mainly language.
        I don’t know how it is with the pilots, all the same, English is used more often in the sky, at least in civil aviation. But how will a doctor speak to a patient if he cannot speak German in German?
        1. +5
          14 February 2023 10: 49
          Surprisingly, the topic of diplomas aroused more interest than the alleged deliveries of fighters.
          This is another confirmation that we are still PEACEFUL people!
          And ochchchen in vain, they began to test our patience.
          Let us now and in the capitalist jo ... e.
          Let ... whether much of what was created by the ancestors over the past century
          But the process started.
          They themselves began to forge out of us something that they would soon regret.
          And they resignedly recognize Soviet diplomas, because then we almost created a super-civilization.
          Regarding the knowledge of the language, this is not a problem for a person who has decided to realize himself in the west. (motivation and assessments in terms of patriotism, we will omit)
          And further...
          If a specialist has unique knowledge and qualifications, then he will be provided with an "interpreter".
          Today, in the training centers of the Bundeswehr, when training a group of 30 ukrocadets (land VUS), the educational process is provided by about 150 Germans. Translators included.
          1. -4
            14 February 2023 21: 51
            we then almost created a super-civilization.
            Do you yourself believe in it? And ask the natives of the country where you are now fleeing (Germany?) What do they think about this subject laughing In a supercivilization lol pineapple, which in England cost less than a bag of potatoes, was an unattainable exotic.
            1. +1
              16 February 2023 01: 45
              For the world bloodsucker of England, space flights remained an unrealizable dream, pineapples didn’t seem to work for the future.
              Each has its own measure of values ​​and greatness.
        2. BAI
          0
          14 February 2023 13: 05
          There will be no problems with translators or teachers. Here we studied Oracle in Moscow. Several different courses. And for 1 (one) course, the teacher was discharged from Australia. There was no closer. And nothing.
      2. BAI
        +6
        14 February 2023 13: 09
        Since Soviet times, diplomas have been accepted in the West: MEPhI, MIPT, Moscow State University, Moscow State Technical University, and either MAI or MPEI. In Southeast Asia and Africa there is still Lumumba and medical. Now it's hard to say. India refused to accept Russian medical diplomas without recertification
      3. +2
        14 February 2023 14: 43
        Quote: Coward
        Diplomas are not considered, but knowledge is very much considered. They just get more for less money.

        Most of these diplomas are fictitious. Remember how many offices in Russia were called institutes, universities, especially correspondence ones.
        And you could just buy a diploma.
        Do you think it was different in Ukraine?
    2. +5
      14 February 2023 05: 01
      Quote from Alex
      do not count as higher education

      The main thing is that it exists! A prostitute with a higher pedagogical degree, or a cleaner with a higher medical degree! Prestigious!
    3. KCA
      +14
      14 February 2023 05: 12
      Those. my friend, who graduated from the Faculty of Physics and Technology, works in the USA as a teacher and became a professor without a higher education recognized in the USA, received in Russia? However...
    4. +16
      14 February 2023 05: 54
      For one small "but". "TAM" does not count at all with higher education received on the territory of the former CIS.
      This is what you said ... The most offensive thing is that you personally do not understand what you said. With higher education, especially Soviet in the West, they are not just considered, but very, very considered. But knowing us well from the bad side and realizing that every eight diplomas out of ten, especially those issued in the period from 1995 to the last time, are fake, they arrange a sickly test of knowledge and competencies. And if you passed it, then you are both a king, and a god, and a godfather to the king. And those who moan about the fact that Russian diplomas are not recognized - they were simply bought in the hope that THERE the same attitude towards a piece of paper as HERE - but crap. And it is right.
      1. +1
        14 February 2023 07: 43
        Yes. Exactly.
        About Soviet diplomas, I wrote a little higher in the comments.
        I think that after the defeat of the Wehrmacht's coming out, even the Ukrainian military with their diplomas and experience will be in demand for some time in the West and will be able to lecture at the "general staff" of Luxembourg or Latvia
      2. +5
        14 February 2023 10: 15
        This is probably why my ex, who graduated with honors from Herzen in St. Petersburg, works in Canada in a Russian kindergarten for 300 bucks. And nothing more.
        1. +2
          14 February 2023 10: 56
          Off topic again, but let me clarify.
          Allowing your "half" to their children, they risk a lot.
          They unknowingly believe that the "red diploma" was issued for an in-depth study of Solzhenitsyn and an optional Dostoevsky and Tolstoy.
          This is how the Slavists taught in Europe.
    5. +9
      14 February 2023 07: 04
      The article isn't really about that...
      But you are very wrong..
      Diplomas of technical universities with the coat of arms of the USSR are recognized by the "industriehandelskamera" unconditionally.
      Medical diplomas, any, are also recognized after retraining.
      Diplomas, economic universities rather no than yes.
      1. +8
        14 February 2023 09: 51
        Everything is exactly so, but I will allow myself a small correction - there is no retraining, there is a qualification exam in the specialty - it can take more than one day and is very similar to a report after an internship, and there is a very strict study of the legal framework associated with the profession with a very tough exam in one reception. Since there is no single concept of this complex in Russian, it is traditionally called retraining hi
        1. +5
          14 February 2023 11: 01
          Fully agree with you.
          If we are talking about a medical diploma, then of course "retraining" is not one day or even a month.
          But still it is many times shorter and easier than learning from scratch.
          With engineering diplomas from the "technically backward" USSR, there are no problems at all.
    6. +6
      14 February 2023 10: 39
      It’s not true that I can say for sure about the three countries of the Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, diplomas of technical and scientific specialties are quite easily recognized / nostrified, with medical diplomas it’s a little more difficult here, first of all, the question of knowing the local language. Another thing is that in Russia (and apparently in Ukraine as well), how to put it mildly in Russian, in general, some kind of abnormal attitude towards higher education, if you haven’t received it, you’re not a person, despite the fact that then people work not in their specialty diploma and in those places where especially higher education is not needed.
      At the same time, in Europe, skilled manual labor such as a plumber, mechanic, auto mechanic, electrician, etc., is highly paid and does not require higher education.
    7. +1
      15 February 2023 10: 26
      Quote from Alex
      . "TAM" does not count at all with higher education received on the territory of the former CIS.

      Not certainly in that way.
      In Germany, there is a list of "regulated professions", that is, in order to be called herr Ingener, you either need to graduate from a German-speaking university, or come from who knows where, confirm who knows what diploma with an exam at ZAB. Doctors will have 2-3 years of retraining, with knowledge of the language. But even a German doctor in Switzerland is again taking exams.
      There is immediate recognition of Russian diplomas with some countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, Syria. I don't know about others.
      "on the sly" to train a military pilot in Europe ???
      My opinion is that it's not real.
      Everything is very bureaucratic

      It's not about bureaucracy, but about the price of the resource. An aircraft engine costs hundreds of thousands of euros, and during the training it is necessary to fly out its resource by half, that is, two pilots were trained - and the engines should be replaced. And this is money. Plus kerosene, ammunition, the resource of the fighter itself, which is also the first thousand hours, that is, taught-taught, and write-off according to the resource of the airframe.
      About 10 years ago, training an F-16 pilot cost half the price of an aircraft, I don’t know about now
      1. 0
        16 February 2023 01: 50
        Actually, military pilots are taught for free. And what kind of resource is there - no one considers
        And civilians, of course, for money.
  2. +9
    14 February 2023 05: 07
    But it’s interesting - is everyone really waiting for the command to “start teaching”?
    Or in a year, on the sly, have you already trained (retrained) a dozen or a hundred?
    1. +4
      14 February 2023 07: 12
      "on the sly" to train a military pilot in Europe ???
      My opinion is that it's not real.
      Everything is very bureaucratic, the war in Ukraine does not enjoy the support of the people. This also applies to the local military.
      For them, being embroiled in a conflict is not an option at all.
      In addition, there is a political opposition, which, when sniffing out the fact of "sleep glanders" in such matters, will easily topple any government.
      1. +3
        14 February 2023 13: 42
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        I wonder - is everyone really waiting for the command to "start teaching"?
        Quote: Red Biker
        "on the sly" to train a military pilot in Europe ???
        My opinion is that it's not real.
        them now silent sap they are trying to teach English - not entirely successful, but for Amer's flight programs you need to comply with the civilian toefl70 at least
      2. +2
        14 February 2023 19: 07
        "on the sly" to train a military pilot in Europe ???

        Why in Europe?
        Why is everyone so obsessed with Europe - a cash cow? It is useless to listen to their senile grumbling before receiving a clear command.
        Quite in Canada and the states without idiotic noise and dust ...
  3. -6
    14 February 2023 05: 27
    Yes, yes, we see how Russia dispersed under coal fire ... Sadness and misfortune ... Let the author of the article forgive me, but all the "tightly victorious" articles today, when the population and leadership on the mainland are in a "parallel reality", and the situation at the front before the deliveries of heavy equipment to hoh.lam is close to critical - they look like an enemy provocation!
    1. +1
      14 February 2023 07: 26
      You are entitled to your opinion...
      Even if it's wrong.
      Firstly, Ukraine will not receive any heavy armored vehicles in the form of Leo2 or Abrams.
      Generally will not receive.
      Leo1 is the maximum.
      Regarding the expectations of the West ....
      In order to continue the Sabbat, they seem to expect success from Ukraine, but as it were, it did not have them.
      The Wehrmacht's coming out have no shells for Soviet systems, from the word at all.
      In Russia, due to reasons known to us - the possibilities on the battlefield have not yet been realized.
      Ukraine simply does not have them anymore.
      Upon transition to the phase of bitterness, our advantage from some moment will acquire a radical property.
      1. +8
        14 February 2023 13: 13
        The author and here is your statement:
        - Russia has a braking distance, who knows where it will end? Not everyone in Europe can have time to rebound ...
        also rather self-confident, since in Ukraine we have not yet had any great successes, but there are a lot of failures. But you also have the right to express your opinion, even if it is wrong.
        1. +1
          14 February 2023 17: 27
          First of all, I want to THANK you and all those who expressed their opinion and take part in the discussion.
          Concerning "self-confidence". Maybe I didn't write about myself.
          There are historical events, the analysis of which leads to the idea that our super-ethnos, which includes representatives of many peoples, shows its best qualities being "back to the wall".
          For all thirty years, the West has been "crushing" Russia, cutting off allies, falling apart from the inside, nurtured a corrupt elite for us in the 90s, one can list for a long time.
          And now the process, if not reversed, has clearly stopped.
          We rested and said that we would not retreat further.
          But they, as in the 90s, decided that further "it would fall apart on its own".
          So now, they believe that "it will stop by itself"
          https://t.me/redbiker
          1. +2
            14 February 2023 19: 30
            We rested and said that we would not retreat further.

            Still...
            1. "Stubbornness" must be supported economically. And there are some problems with this in the country. And the psychological factor (especially if you look at the comments on VO) is different than in 1942 (in 80 years people have changed a lot).
            2. About will / will not be, waiting / not waiting - all this is "grandmother said in two." The point here is not that Ukraine really hopes so. And what we hope for. So - the diplomats hope that they will not deliver (and then it will be their victory). And the military hopes that they will deliver and it will be possible to try "by the tooth" a child prodigy. In any case, those with whom I spoke, this is how they look at the situation. Not "God forbid they put it up," but "at least they put it up as soon as possible, otherwise my hands itch." So don't be disappointed about 4 months here.

            On this situation, I read in their press a clear position that if the planes are F16, but the pilots on them are Ukrainian, then Putin will not regard this situation as NATO aggression. Another thing is that the Americans really don’t want to supply planes, and they don’t see an alternative to this. Hence all the talk about the duration of pilot training with a pronounced hope "What if the situation resolves itself."
            1. +1
              14 February 2023 19: 51
              Everything is about the same.
              With a common unity of purpose, interests may be different.
              We will not guess. Everyone expressed their opinion.
              By the way, my judgments and understanding of the situation - almost a year ago
              https://topwar.ru/193825-operacija-likvidacija.html
  4. -3
    14 February 2023 06: 28
    This issue has long been discussed at the level of experts.
    I agree with the author. Not today, but yesterday, the planned retraining of pilots and tank crews for Western types of weapons, and the places where retraining will be carried out, and who will pay for it, were agreed. In addition, and most likely, the issue of the possible participation of pilots of NATO countries in hostilities in Ukraine was discussed. Therefore, what is being muttered from the stands today is really a mist or dust in the eyes.
    "Laxative" is not enough. Ukraine will end earlier.
    It might be a little pompous, but it's true.
    1. +1
      14 February 2023 07: 34
      The participation of pilots from NATO countries is not participation in a volunteer animal protection mission to save whales or sterilize stray dogs.
      Each NATO country has its own constitution, which treats this kind of "participation" without enthusiasm.
      But ...
      Combinations are quite possible with the miraculous acquisition of Ukrainian citizenship, as was the case with the "downed pilot" Saakashvili.
      But even with such combinations, there will be more harm to Ukraine than good.
  5. +3
    14 February 2023 08: 02
    In general, what is happening with the outskirts is reminiscent of the partition of Poland in 1939, like the outskirts of strong Poland, no one needed. Yes, aging Europe needs unpretentious labor resources that do not know a good life, Arabs profited for trade, now Orcs for construction and maintenance. Everything goes to the year 25, when the war is over, both the Abrams and the planes will arrive, it’s expensive for the war, they will end quickly, and a few hundred of both will be enough for our scarecrow.
    1. +3
      14 February 2023 11: 30
      Comparison with Poland is appropriate not only in historical terms.
      For the majority of those who do not live in Ukraine, the subtle differences between the Little Russians are unknown (Russian people who have mastered and expanded the southern limits of the empire)
      and ...
      Galicians.
      God-cursed land and people who lost their Russian origin, but did not become either Poles or Austrians. Even to the "Ukraine" that they came up with, they have nothing to do with it.
      Ukraine, which received a huge share of the inheritance from the USSR, had excellent chances of becoming a world-class power if ...
      They would beat him with a brow and invite Old Lukashenko "to reign".
      But.
      Gave to steer the non-fascist Galicians. The result was not long in coming. Thirty years is a moment.
      Polish Leopards and Abrams with Black Panthers are designed just to pacify this always disgruntled enclave.
      The Poles remember very well why they received their Bandera vyshak
      Remember who burned their villages
      They remember who committed the most terrible and heinous crimes for the Germans.
      The need to join Western Ukrainians Vissarionych, as useful on the eve of the war, pushing the border to the west, has exhausted itself in the current conditions.
      The alien Russophobic enclave should be given to the Poles and will always be for them a hotbed of instability and weakening of the Polish state.
      1. 0
        14 February 2023 18: 23
        Quote: Red Biker
        fighting

        Absolutely agree. What Stalin did in the 39th was a necessary measure.
  6. +2
    14 February 2023 08: 44
    He can be forced to confirm, a doctor's diploma, for example; but this is from life, the Skipper from NZ, who is also the owner of the ship, told me: "... Find me a Russian mechanic ..."
  7. +5
    14 February 2023 09: 01
    Europe had a plan in case of hostilities with Russia, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine knew about this plan. The training of pilots was most likely carried out long before the start of the SVO, and now they are only throwing trump cards on the table. Yes, perhaps the pilots were not trained in the quantity in which it is necessary, but they are.
    The situation is similar with tanks. They brought Ukrainians to Germany, made them documents for the Germans and prepared them.
    After a while, we will find out how many military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were trained by Western partners during the Minsk Agreements, and I do not mean training by instructors during the training camp, but targeted training on Western weapons in Europe.
    Another question is why there is an SVR with Naryshkin, but this is another topic.
    1. +3
      14 February 2023 10: 32
      I agree with you on 100%.
      Last year they wrote that cadets-pilots from Kharkov were sent to the USA to study for Western technology. That is, they have everything ready. As soon as the right moment comes, the planes will be.
    2. +1
      14 February 2023 11: 35
      Nothing happened before the start of the war.
      Joint exercises - yes.
      Participation in peacekeeping missions - yes
      Familiarization and training of officers - yes
      But training by entire units for a certain technique is not
      All this became possible only after Ukraine crossed the "Rubicon" and defined itself as a fascist, anti-Russian state
      1. +3
        14 February 2023 15: 47
        Quote: Red Biker
        Nothing happened before the start of the war. Joint exercises - yes .... after Ukraine crossed the "Rubicon" and defined itself as a fascist, anti-Russian state
        Exactly in the bull's-eye - this is exactly how they courted not only the 404s, but all the former "relatives"
  8. +2
    14 February 2023 09: 04
    Quote from Alex
    For one small "but". "TAM" does not count at all with higher education received on the territory of the former CIS.


    How to say. I was personally acquainted with foreigners who came to us (from France, Germany) to lure young specialists.
  9. +5
    14 February 2023 09: 34
    An interesting informative article, the main thing is about nothing .....
    1. +2
      14 February 2023 11: 50
      Thank you. hi
      For "what" there are fundamental books describing what happened.
      There are dry reports in a very small number of copies, which are kept in safes.
      The main thing in the article was not about diplomas.
      And about the fact that the training of a German pilot from Tornado to Eurofighter lasts four months, i.e. with "bandero-batman" in less than 6 it will be difficult to meet.
      That's actually what this was about. I consider the understanding of this moment important, both for you and me, and for those who happen to stop it.
      The process of learning in silence or under the guise of something before is not confirmed by anything
      1. +3
        14 February 2023 14: 03
        No offense, I didn't mean to write anything bad. It's just that the topic is a bit off. Have a nice day, everyone
        1. +3
          14 February 2023 17: 32
          Yes, what are you
          I'm not a pop star or even a journalist.
          If I have time, I sit down at the keyboard
          https://t.me/redbiker
          Regarding the content, I can also be wrong and be inaccurate in my judgments.
  10. +6
    14 February 2023 09: 47
    The article is more like a Combat Leaflet .. There are a lot of slogans, specifics, almost none. According to the training of pilots, if the NWO drags on for another year, they will have time to prepare the pilots and deliver the planes. Much needs to be done to prevent this from happening.
    1. +3
      14 February 2023 12: 03
      The basic Eurofighter course lasts about eight months here. Already trained jet pilots take about four months to convert from, for example, a Tornado to a Eurofighter.

      This is what the article was written for. So as not to produce conjectures and conjectures.
      A couple of days before. An excellent detailed article on the same topic by Roman Skomorokhov has been published.
      is called - "Break your face" "Fighting Falcon" or "Viper" - simple or not?
      For the civil war in Ukraine, it is much more important not how long it will last, but our convincing successes in the near future.
      If they do, then Ukraine, under plausible pretexts, will first be left without military assistance, and then without financial assistance.
      If there is marking time or even the defeat of our army, then Western assistance will increase in doses
      Here you think -
      they will have time to prepare the pilots and deliver the planes

      What will it give the West?
      The goal of the West is the weakening of Russia and self-destruction of Russia - a frenzied territory.
      Imagine from the point of view of Europeans, a monster - a "Ukrainian who defeated Russia" am
      Those who know how to fight, who received equipment and money. And without any "peremog" everyone owes them and everyone is to blame for them.
      There are paradoxical moments in what is happening now - the interests of Russia and the West coincide in some ways.
      I wrote about this back in March.
      https://topwar.ru/193825-operacija-likvidacija.html
      1. 0
        14 February 2023 12: 25
        and our convincing successes in the near future. If they do
        A year to go to Slavyansk .. these are convincing successes .. And further on the commentary, again the Battle Sheet, only smaller .. hi
        1. +1
          14 February 2023 12: 55
          What is stopping you from writing a great detailed article?
          With a mass of arguments and facts that enlighten the soul and fill the mind?
          I am a resident of Ukraine - I believe in the Victory of Russia over the heirs of the Nazis - Bandera, who seized power in the South Russian lands.
          Oh, sorry - for you it's just "slogans"
          1. +1
            14 February 2023 19: 45
            Oh, sorry - for you it's just "slogans"

            Didn't you write an article "Is Odessa waiting for us?" a year ago. The funny thing is that, judging by the activity of some Ukrainian citizens that I have been watching on YouTube over the past couple of months, Odessa is still waiting. But NATO does not intend to give us Odessa in any way. So - either a peace treaty before Odessa, or the inevitable appearance of NATO aircraft in the skies of Ukraine, despite all the confidence that you demonstrate in this article.
            1. 0
              16 February 2023 02: 11
              Yes. I wrote. And Odessa is still waiting.
              The activity that you see is nothing at all.
              Now in Odessa and throughout Ukraine, people are imprisoned and maimed for the use of words in social networks.
              Tsedro is paid to provocateurs.
              This is the news about being convicted and imprisoned - every day
              https://usionline.com/v-odeskij-oblasti-sudyly-shanuvalnyka-rosijskykh-komunistiv/[B] [/ b]
              Regarding their confidence - will Odessa be liberated?
              I don't even doubt it!
              And not because I am Odessa and this is my hometown.
              Russia is also waiting for Transnistria.
              And there will NOT be any NATO aircraft in the sky of Ukraine.
              Confidence in this is demonstrated not by me, but by the relationship between the obvious and the unbelievable.
              OBVIOUS - the country of Romania, Hungary, Slovakia or Poland would prefer to receive a small piece due to them from the fetid, decomposed carcass of the Ukrainian state than to burn in an atomic fire defending Ukraine's right to fascism.
              INCREDIBLE - Russia, with all the miscalculations already made and the losses incurred, stops because ..... (substitute the right one)
              Knowing that the unfinished fascism will not go anywhere and it will no longer be about protecting the Russian people in Donetsk or Odessa.
              And everything is much worse, but already on the outskirts of Moscow.
              Therefore, I do not believe in "agreement".
              Well, except that on the banks of the Zbruch
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  12. +6
    14 February 2023 10: 35
    Planes, not planes - it doesn't matter.
    And so there are "lunar landscapes" without any aviation.

    The main thing, according to the article, is that the HPP gave such gifts to NATO members - a bunch of white people with higher education and specialties from Ukraine and Russia.

    Let me remind you, according to the media, only simple igrodelov were taken out of Russia with their families on chartered airliners.
    And "starships" were just promised to us by Rogozin and K. Do you remember such a "nuclear tug"? And where is he now?

    so not everything is so bravura - unambiguously, as painted.
  13. +2
    14 February 2023 12: 57
    Some points are exaggerated by the author.
    For Germans, this is a unique opportunity to tweak their demographics with Ukrainian women of productive age and Ukrainian children (future taxpayers).

    Was it a problem for the Germans? You might think that there were no people who wanted to go to Germany before. So the Germans themselves always put sticks in the wheels. They let them in a little after the influx of migrants from the East, it became easier with the move. But for the Germans, finding people from the former CIS has never been a problem.
  14. +3
    14 February 2023 12: 58
    if Prigozhin and his still illegal PMC have their own mercenary pilots, including retired generals, and other people's planes, as it were, "lease", then why don't the enemies do the same?
    Nothing new: the Soviet heroes pilots in Spain at the very beginning fought on the side of the Republicans with fake passports of some third countries.
    1. +1
      14 February 2023 18: 17
      Well, in Korea, our pilots fought on MIGs under Korean names and with Korean passports.
      There is nothing new under the sun.
  15. +3
    14 February 2023 13: 48
    That's right. Author. You are not the first to hypothesize about the training of Saloreikhov flyers in the West. But for "sebe", for Western revanchists. About a month ago I read somewhere in the ass. Of course, this prospect is depressing, because some people will fly from brand new ones and drink blood from ours. Unfortunately. And thanks! Thanks to the "gifted" generals and the General Staff of our Armed Forces! Demote half, jail the other! But it's all odds!!! All the movement at the front is important, but not the main thing! Mikheev is right. Until our Supreme Commander stops idiotic politeness with our age-old enemies, until we start to ruin their lives on their territory, these creatures will not stop! This is where the strategic concept should change!!!
    1. +2
      14 February 2023 17: 39
      Thank you.
      Unfortunately, it looks like this is not a hypothesis.
      But it's still the best of the worst
      It would be worse if they were still trained and sent to fight with their aircraft.
      And if they resolve throughout Europe after training, it was the same after the collapse of the Third Reich.
      https://t.me/redbiker
  16. +7
    14 February 2023 13: 59
    The Haimars were also "exceptionally sophisticated equipment", which, according to local experts, could not help the APU in any way. Naturally, if the war ends within months, then tanks with aircraft cannot be mastered, but if everything lasts for years, as Prigozhin claims, then in the long term this technique will play its role. At the same time, it is likely that NATO "volunteers" on a contract will be at the helm of these same aircraft. Another propaganda article from the series "we will tear everyone, and they will die."
    1. -3
      14 February 2023 17: 45
      We'll tear it up and they'll die.
      But I would like not at any cost.
      The fact that you read the "article" and were not too lazy to write, thanks too.
      The war will last for years and we will lose it if we stop now and start negotiating.
      NATO volunteers will not sit down either at the "tank levers" or at the "aircraft controls"
      Today I affirm that it is so.
      https://t.me/redbiker
  17. -1
    14 February 2023 14: 50
    It is clear that the planes will give Ukraine. If they succeed.
    And it will be Tornado and Eurofighters.
    F-16 will promise, but will not give. The Americans do not need the F-16s to burn and fall at all.
    Negative image and consequently lower sales.
    So don't go to a fortuneteller, they will push the Europeans through.
    When Tornadoes and Eurofighters fall, they will grab the negative image.
    And UWB will get an additional market.
    Business, nothing personal. There are no allies in business.
    1. -1
      14 February 2023 17: 50
      And it will be Tornado and Eurofighters.

      Argument - for what?
      They don’t want to supply air defense in the quantity desired for the self-reich?
      Tanks - ladies here, not ladies here. These are three, and these are five.
      Guess under which "thimble" Leopard 2, and under which Abrams?
      Oh ! There is nothing.
      And between the fingers, only Leopard 1 is clamped. And not the fact that they will.
      1. -1
        14 February 2023 18: 12
        Quote: Red Biker
        And it will be Tornado and Eurofighters.

        Argument - for what?
        They don’t want to supply air defense in the quantity desired for the self-reich?
        Tanks - ladies here, not ladies here. These are three, and these are five.
        Guess under which "thimble" Leopard 2, and under which Abrams?
        Oh ! There is nothing.
        And between the fingers, only Leopard 1 is clamped. And not the fact that they will.

        Let's see. Time will show.
  18. +2
    14 February 2023 15: 27
    For me, this whole topic with the training of Ukrainian pilots / tankers / submariners, etc., is a screen. In fact, the equipment will go with other crews. hi
    1. +3
      14 February 2023 17: 57
      In the Air Force of the Bundeswehr, there are about a hundred pilots of "campfjet" fighters.
      When it was necessary for the grandchildren of Goering to go to Afghanistan on a business trip ....
      12 pilots applied for dismissal. How many more have announced their unwillingness to renew the contract.
      Try to find arguments for a German, Spanish, French pilot, convince him to go "fly" over Ukraine.
      I personally do not come up with anything convincing.
      Oh yes ...
      For 2 thousand dollars they will not fly, even if you pay per hour.
      1. -1
        14 February 2023 18: 11
        Quote: Red Biker
        In the Air Force of the Bundeswehr, there are about a hundred pilots of "campfjet" fighters.
        When it was necessary for the grandchildren of Goering to go to Afghanistan on a business trip ....
        12 pilots applied for dismissal. How many more have announced their unwillingness to renew the contract.
        Try to find arguments for a German, Spanish, French pilot, convince him to go "fly" over Ukraine.
        I personally do not come up with anything convincing.
        Oh yes ...
        For 2 thousand dollars they will not fly, even if you pay per hour.

        French, Spaniards, Germans, Greeks hardly.
        But the Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, quite.
        1. 0
          14 February 2023 19: 59
          I would give a lot of weighty arguments why neither the Poles, nor even the Romanians with the Bulgarians, would take the risk.
          But it will take a whole article.
          Just pointing out the direction of thought...
          Poles and Romanians can count on an increase in their territories after the division of Ukraine, whether it is worth it for them to risk entering into direct confrontation with those on whom it depends or not.
          Moreover, they are no less interested in the defeat of the Ukrainian authorities than Russia.
      2. 0
        14 February 2023 19: 36
        Quote: Red Biker
        In the Air Force of the Bundeswehr, there are about a hundred pilots of "campfjet" fighters.
        When it was necessary for the grandchildren of Goering to go to Afghanistan on a business trip ....
        12 pilots applied for dismissal. How many more have announced their unwillingness to renew the contract.
        Try to find arguments for a German, Spanish, French pilot, convince him to go "fly" over Ukraine.
        I personally do not come up with anything convincing.
        Oh yes ...
        For 2 thousand dollars they will not fly, even if you pay per hour.

        But after all, somehow they found arguments for their soldiers to go B / A even as "deserters"? request
        So they will find it here. hi
        1. +1
          14 February 2023 20: 05
          Why would a German "desert"?
          If he can, being a military man, simply not renew, break the contract?
          And they haven't had recruits for many years.
  19. +4
    14 February 2023 16: 10
    But it doesn’t all come down to a diploma in flying, especially since it’s not a doctor, he put the pilot in a spark and he showed everything that he is worth in flying. But it’s one thing to retrain with a flight time of 700-1000 hours, and a break in a month. And it’s another matter with a flight time of 200-250 hours, with an annual flight of 20-25 hours, it’s easier to teach without experience at all.
  20. Eug
    +1
    14 February 2023 19: 18
    A year ago, there was information that in the process of training, either 16, or 18 thousand Ukrainians were selected and accepted into the US Army, and even then these were data two years ago. I'm sure that number has grown a lot since then. Along with open databases, there is also a struggle for ethnicity, although outwardly hidden by other goals ....
  21. 0
    14 February 2023 21: 26
    Theories about “weakening Russia” with Western planes and tanks do not stand up to criticism. "Laxative" is not enough. Ukraine will end earlier.

    But then, like a locomotive that has accelerated, Russia has a braking distance, who knows where it will end? Not everyone in Europe can have time to rebound ...
    NATO is horrified - it’s scary as much as horror, especially after almost a year of NWO with unclear prospects ...
    1. 0
      16 February 2023 02: 20
      I don't know if NATO is terrified...
      But ordinary Europeans are definitely not enthusiastic about what is happening.
      They live well.
      And they definitely do not want to sacrifice their comfort, for the sake of the ambitions of even their politicians.
      Help to Ukraine is, in fact, a low price for millions of workers and not the most stupid heads (labor resources) that Europe is now very much not superfluous.
      https://t.me/redbiker - дискуссионный клуб
  22. -3
    14 February 2023 21: 35
    Quote: kor1vet1974
    The article is more like a Combat Leaflet .. There are a lot of slogans, specifics, almost none. According to the training of pilots, if the NWO drags on for another year, they will have time to prepare the pilots and deliver the planes. Much needs to be done to prevent this from happening.
    Unfortunately, all articles by this author are like that. Sometimes there are sound thoughts, but mostly he writes agitation ...
    1. 0
      16 February 2023 02: 30
      AGITKA - a work of literature or art, pursuing only propaganda purposes and often without artistic value

      I, as it were, do NOT claim the artistic value of what I wrote.
      And quite unequivocally written NOT "a work of literature or art"
      If you think that I am "agitating" you, do not succumb to my agitation. stop
      Give counterarguments (preferably weighty) fellow
      Convict me of incompetence on the issues covered fool
      Do not be too lazy to read what I wrote a year ago, show me where I made a fundamental mistake? lol
      I would really appreciate constructive criticism. good
  23. +2
    14 February 2023 21: 41
    the percentage of people who came to them with higher education is above 70%
    Here as a question laughing And it is unlikely that Germany needs lawyeromists with psychologists in such quantities - there are enough of their bababols.
    1. 0
      16 February 2023 02: 53
      Until recently I thought so too.
      You and I measure the value of a profession by the degree of its usefulness for an evil society.
      And for me, a programmer who writes computer games is much less valuable than a turner.
      Regarding the "psychologists", you are very mistaken. Very much in demand.
      Drinking is condemned, it is impossible to give in the face. Restrictions and rules regarding everything, as here without a psychologist.
      And also nurses, speech therapists, nannies, educators, trainers, cosmetologists, accountants - all this is in great demand