How should we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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How should we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The topic that I decided to write about today is rather sensitive. Therefore, I will start with a couple of stories that many people know, but ... Stories from the life of the "landing Batya", General of the Army Margelov. The story is known to readers as "an act of retribution."

During the Soviet-Finnish War, Vasily Margelov commanded a separate reconnaissance ski battalion of the 122nd Infantry Division. A unit staffed by excellent skiers-athletes. Therefore, the battalion most often operated behind enemy lines, performing reconnaissance and sabotage missions.



Once, after returning from another raid, the battalion commander learned that Finnish saboteurs had completely destroyed our medical battalion. They killed everyone. And then Margelov acted as a commander and as a person quite maturely. He built a battalion and led to the place of the massacre, to the medical battalion. He did not say anything, he simply showed what was left of the wounded and the medical staff.

Further, the story is somewhat different, but according to the official version, the command instructed Margelov to carry out an action of retribution. The battalion went to the rear of the Finns. By morning, scouts discovered a Finnish bath and laundry detachment. The battalion commander ordered to attack ... Not a single soldier of the Finnish detachment was left alive.

And at the place of the action, the fighters scattered leaflets “Revenge for the salts for the Russian medical battalion"... For the entire duration of the war, there was not a single attack on medical and other rear units from both sides. They fought honestly, fighter against fighter ...

And another episode from the same time. The story is less known, little mentioned in the biographies of General Margelov. Probably simply because at that time we tried to “be law-abiding”, as we do today, and tried to “not notice the little things”. By the way, after this story, Vasily Margelov could indeed end up in camps for many years or be shot. For political myopia...

During the next raid, Margelov's fighters noticed a fresh ski track, and the commander decided to set up an ambush. The fire bag was quickly created, and the soldiers began to wait for the enemy. Further everything is simple. "Destroy the personnel, officers, if possible, take them alive!"

Already during the battle, Margelov noticed that part of the Finnish detachment was wearing a different uniform. Naturally, the commander ordered first of all to take these Finns alive. So 6 Swedes from the Swedish Expeditionary Volunteer Corps were captured by the scouts. Those who today in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are called volunteers of the foreign legion.

These Swedes spoiled a lot of blood for the future general of the army. How he probably regretted that he simply did not destroy these "citizens of a neutral state" on the spot. It is good that the special forces lagged behind due to the persistent recommendations of the division command, which needed such a commander.

Since the 122nd division remained the only formation in the 9th Army that escaped encirclement and heavy losses, although it did not complete its assigned tasks, the authority of the division commander was high enough to pull Margelov out of the NKVD.

And now about what I decided to write today. About the next execution of a captured Russian soldier and our reaction to this event. More precisely, on the next war crime of Ukrainian warriors.

Angels come to war only for the souls of the righteous


Unfortunately, angels do not participate in wars. They appear on the battlefield after the battle to take with them the souls of the dead soldiers. People fight in war. With all human vices and virtues. Hence the memories of the participants are often contradictory. Some describe nobility in war, others cowardice and betrayal, others atrocities and murders. And this is all war.

Another video of a war crime by a Ukrainian military man who shot a prisoner has appeared on the network. By the way, there were two more prisoners, and judging by the cries of the ukrovoyak about a grenade from one of them, their fate is exactly the same. The prisoner was shot only because he did not know the Ukrainian language! Move question, no answer, headshot.

Unfortunately, we have already begun to get used to such executions. Just get used to it. I remember a wave of indignation after the execution of Russian paratroopers by the Georgian legion during the retreat from the Kyiv region. Then there was Makiivka, Malaya Rogan, and beyond... And before these executions, there were executions of Donbass militias, then captured servicemen of the 1st and 2nd corps...

There were prisoners over whom, before exchanging for their own, the Ukrainian "specialists" worked to the fullest. From shot knees to castration. We were outraged. Today, the lame, or in general the one who is carried on a stretcher, at the meeting of prisoners, no longer raises questions from society. Like this.

The fact that the Ukrainians wanted to spit on all conventions and international treaties was known almost from the very beginning of the confrontation between Kyiv, Luhansk and Donetsk. But in the first months, Kyiv tried to somehow mask the torture and executions, hid the corpses, made statements in the style of "it's not me, but some kind of third force."

And then, when the Ukrainians realized that all these widely publicized international human rights organizations “walk on a short leash from Washington” and would never admit even obvious facts, the atrocities intensified. And executions of prisoners, including, have become commonplace. Since that time, the fighters of the Donetsk corps have been trying not to be captured.

Almost a year has passed since the beginning of the SVO. During this time, the anti-Russian and even Nazi views of Ukrainians became radicalized. The video of the last execution clearly shows that the shooter is hysterical. This is the hysteria of a Nazi who, out of fear for his life, is capable of any crime. Exactly. You can, of course, write beautifully about the state of passion ...

Unfortunately, such crimes will continue to occur. The principle of a cornered cat works here. On the one hand, hopelessness and the constant expectation of death associated with the strengthening of the Russian army and the work of Russian artillery, and on the other hand, the opportunity to vent their fears on a defenseless person.

So the problem has existed and will exist for a long time. And not only at the front, but also in the rear. The recent execution of Igor Mangushev (call sign Bereg) is a fresh example. And it needs to be solved. How? Alas, I cannot name the best and only correct solution. Just because I don't know.

What to do with war criminals?


I'll start with what is known, probably, to every reader. Impunity breeds a new crime. It is only in the movies that the criminal at some point repents on his own and becomes an ordinary citizen. The reality is somewhat different. In order for the criminal to begin to think about life, a push is needed. Or a kick as punishment.

The first thing to be done when revealing cases of criminal acts of the enemy is to make public the very fact of the crime. Usually those who do lawlessness do not like to advertise their actions very much. Therefore, the names, surnames, places of residence and other data of criminals should be widely available. So that not only we, but also his relatives and friends know about the crime.

Of course, in the Nazi-infected society of Ukraine today there are enough people who will call the killer a hero, but the rest, even if not out loud, will call the killer a killer - and this is the maximum that we can get from Ukrainians today. In the future, I hope the truth will prevail. When we will look for criminals, as it was in the post-war years.

Further, our diplomacy should work literally on all available platforms and strive to convey information about crimes to as many people as possible, and this applies not only to prisoners, but also to war crimes in general. These are shelling of residential buildings, and executions of civilians, and robberies, violence against civilians.

In addition, there is also a purely military aspect. Any war criminal has a commander who is obliged to know literally everything about the actions of his subordinates. That is, based on this, one more conclusion can be drawn. A subordinate acts either with the consent of the commander, or by order of the commander. The names of such commanders should also be known to all.

Well, the Investigative Committee. All crimes must be documented and investigated without fail. War crimes have no statute of limitations. It will not be possible to find the criminal immediately - it will be found later. Let through years, decades, but will be punished. Such work is currently underway. None of the criminals can be "forgotten".

But what should have been done “yesterday” is to remember those stories that I recalled at the beginning of the material. Punishment of criminals must be swift. If we immediately after the video of the execution of prisoners had appeared, would have sent half of the brigade where the criminals serve to the forefathers, others would have thought hard.

Don't stop and beat, beat, beat


I will not draw any new conclusions. Everything has long been voiced, discussed and accepted by society. There is a war going on between the two political systems. Ukraine and the Ukrainian army are just pawns. And they already understand it. Therein lies the danger.

Armament, equipment, reconnaissance and communications equipment, modern air defense - all this is just iron. And without the appropriate specialists is not particularly terrible. But the fact that the overwhelming majority of Ukrainian recruits feel like suicide bombers, the fact that they accuse us of this, is important. The dead man has nothing to lose. Each fight is just an extra moment of life.

But the desire to take with them as many as possible of those who are to blame for such a situation is enormous. No matter what the official representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry and the Ukrainian Defense Ministry say, yesterday, for example, there was a real hell in the Ugledar region. This is the message of those who were there. The Russian army in the minds of Ukrainians, with the help of massive propaganda, has become what the Armed Forces of Ukraine are for Donbass.

You probably noticed how the rhetoric of the opponents of the war has changed? Today you will no longer hear the answer to the question about the future of Ukraine after the victory. Any victory, victory for either side! They are no longer interested. In any case, the life of Ukrainians will not get better after the victory.

Even the youth, whom we often accused of radicalism, no longer imagine themselves in Ukraine. Only abroad, Poland, Germany and other countries... It's really scary. A country that physically has no future. A country that even its own citizens do not like. It is terrible to see the destruction of the state from within. The destruction of the country in the minds.

Thus, it is already too late to engage in education. Appeal to logic and common sense too. Only instincts remain. Fear, lust for life, the desire to return to the family and so on ...
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      1. +20
        13 February 2023 08: 56
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Regarding your person: either a provocateur or a moral freak

        First, who gave you the right to insult users of the site?!
        Let's ask the participants for their opinion on what to do with burnt, marked tattoos and swastikas by the Nazis, whose hands are up to the elbows in blood? Maybe support them at public expense, and then amnesty, like Khrushchev Bandera?
        Share your thoughts on humanity... Tell us how you will behave if you find out that your son, who was taken prisoner, was shot only for not knowing the Ukrainian language...
        Stop this whining about humanity. The experience of our special forces, the experience of special forces of other countries involves the DESTRUCTION OF THE ENEMY ...
        When this Nazi bastard knows that for mockery, looting, mockery of prisoners and corpses, he will have one retribution - execution, when it is shown on TV (as in China), POSSIBLY, this will not correct everyone, but many will receive moral satisfaction.
        1. +23
          13 February 2023 09: 50
          First, you need to create a site in the manner of the Ukrainian Peacemaker, where they bring the enemies of Ukraine. We need a website Thugs of the Armed Forces and there to post information about their crimes, about those who commit them and about their fate soldier
          1. +10
            13 February 2023 10: 36
            I will not draw any new conclusions.

            We need solutions, not demagogy. Very few surviving Nazis from the units that executed Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya during the Second World War remained.
            1. +1
              17 February 2023 05: 50
              Quote: dorz
              We need solutions, not demagogy.

              Decisions are made by commanders in the trenches. And if they want their soldiers in captivity to be mocked, let them continue the line of humanism. How will they look into the eyes of the mothers of the dead and mutilated in captivity ukroreikh? Think parents and friends won't know? In Soledar, the dill had an order - do not take prisoners, so what?
              The signatory received at least official recognition as a war criminal. And the well-known 80th brigade, whose captured bandits flash in commercials. And the shot column with doctors in the Ugledar direction? Silence ! Neither the unit number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, nor the names of the commanders. All prisoners, through filtration, and to the military prosecutor's office. hi
          2. +11
            13 February 2023 11: 54
            The Nemesis website has existed for a long time, Shaban, who blew up Daria Dugina's car, was already in this database, but this did not solve anything at all, she entered, traveled around Russia and left without any problems.
            1. +4
              13 February 2023 17: 15
              But this site, as I understand it, is not state-owned. And to be honest, very few people even know about him. The site should be state-owned and as well known as possible.
              1. +2
                13 February 2023 19: 44
                Quote: Herman 4223
                But this site, as I understand it, is not state-owned. And to be honest, very few people even know about him. The site should be state-owned and as well known as possible.

                Nobody knows anything about him at all. And there should be maximum coverage in all media.
              2. +1
                15 February 2023 07: 26
                The Nemesis site is not opening! I wonder why?
                1. +2
                  15 February 2023 17: 49
                  I don’t know if everyone is like this, but the bell with notifications about answers has not been working for me for a long time.
                  I opened the site quite calmly. There is information on both criminals and prisoners.
                  1. +2
                    15 February 2023 18: 47
                    The site opened, last time it did not work.
                    but the format for presenting information is not at all what you need!
                    in the "Criminals" and "Wanted" sections, just a photo of a person and his data, without reference to the charge, what is he wanted for, why is he a criminal?
                    a description of the crime is needed: execution of prisoners of war, video, alleged criminals; execution of civilians, photos, alleged criminals; shelling of residential areas with victims, photo, alleged military unit, commander, alleged criminal: atrocities against civilians, testimonies of victims, military unit and photos of military personnel.
                    1. +1
                      15 February 2023 20: 03
                      Yes, some do not have a description of what they have created. Some have, but what is generally known is mostly. If there were a site of state information, there could be more, because the investigative committee has a lot more information.
                  2. 0
                    19 February 2023 21: 56
                    Quote: Herman 4223
                    I don’t know if everyone is like this, but the bell with notifications about answers has not been working for me for a long time.

                    I also lost my notification bell. I wrote to the admins and in response, silence.
            2. +1
              14 February 2023 01: 46
              We need a database of all those who have been exposed in crimes from Ukraine and so that it has access to law enforcement officers, otherwise in the states in police cars there have been computers with criminal databases since the 1960s with face scanners, and we are already living in 2023, everyone law enforcers have smartphones, tablets, but they can’t go to the bases of criminals, I’m generally silent about scanners, they don’t exist from the word at all, you can only enter “papillary patterns” from your fingers into the system and it will give out, on the condition that the fingers previously rolled. Unfortunately, our policemen at the moment have equipment set aside for a century from the technology of foreign countries, because our government is violet to its citizens, they have their own guards, in other matters and as in all aspects of life, they have their own medicine, places of rest, etc. etc., there was no such barrier between the inhabitants of the country and the elite under the USSR, recent events show that everything needs to be changed, but no one does this, because no one is responsible for anything ...
          3. +4
            13 February 2023 17: 12
            Not necessarily the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or rather, it is not necessary to be limited only to these characters. Simply, "war criminals". But there should be the most complete information about them and their commanders.
        2. +3
          13 February 2023 11: 18
          For ROSS 42
          Firstly, the sofa executioner, your wife, if you have, of course, you will teach!
          In the latter - Will you shoot yourself? Wounded, bound, kneeling or lying in the back of the head? How do you love there? Torture, maim before that, too, will you? Do you enjoy it? How then are you better than these?
          A Warrior will always, in any situation, remain a Warrior! Well, the Rat can only become an Executioner. Why are there so many of you?
          And for reference, specialists working for liquidation always act according to the law, there are appropriate procedures for processing such decisions. The main law for the performer is the Order, and not his own vision of the world and the ideals of universal justice.
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        3. +8
          13 February 2023 17: 48
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Stop this whining about humanity. The experience of our special forces, the experience of special forces of other countries involves the DESTRUCTION OF THE ENEMY ...

          For ten dead, one prisoner of war - 174 versus 000. This suggests that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have ceased to be taken prisoner and are being brought down on the spot.

          Understand that here, on the forum, mostly born and raised under the USSR. That is why the talk about humanity, "fraternal people", etc. and so on.

          In Ukraine, young Russian guys are fighting, who did not serve with the Ukrainians, did not share bread and shelter, they look at them as foreigners. And at the same time, for 30 years they have heard "about Gilyaks", "Colorados", "Russian quilted jackets" from the side of the Ukronats.

          And now, finally, there was an opportunity to press this audience to the fullest. And after they saw the attitude towards the prisoners of war of the Russian Federation and how the Ukronazis were released, they simply ceased to be taken prisoner.
        4. +2
          15 February 2023 13: 18
          Let's ask the participants for their opinion on what to do with burnt, marked tattoos and swastikas by the Nazis, whose hands are up to the elbows in blood?

          Maybe not exchange them for a start?
        5. 0
          22 February 2023 09: 55
          The most effective and affordable way at the moment is to introduce subsidiary liability for crimes committed by Ukrainian criminals. The circle of responsible persons may include relatives and leadership of these bandits. A death sentence, but the perpetrator is hiding in the United States, for example, and is being protected under one of the protection programs? This means that justice is implemented in relation to the circle of persons identified as responsible until the full implementation of the sentence.
          I foresee the cries of those who disagree from a humanistic point of view, but there is only one answer: difficult times require difficult decisions. Most importantly, it will be effective.
      2. AAK
        +15
        13 February 2023 11: 49
        Unfortunately, it is no longer possible to execute those dill who were lucky enough to surrender ... but in general, only my opinion, Bandera, in respect of which there is information about involvement in the murders and torture of our prisoners and civilians, "two hundred "Immediately and without hesitation, I was captured by Bandera" painted in swastons" - to the side of the road and a bullet in the back of the head, but in relation to the rest of the APU-shnikov who got to us - to the train and to Yakutia, or to the mines of Donbass for restoration, for years 5 without rising to the surface ... in a normal way, treat only those who carry out active repentance, appear in the media, extradite Ukronazis, in general - an analogue of "Free Germany" during the Second World War. The rest - everyone in full, normal there is the most minuscule ...
        1. LMN
          +1
          15 February 2023 22: 54
          And how are you there, in an apartment of a high-rise building, will you determine whether he is a Bandera or not?
      3. +9
        13 February 2023 13: 00
        Quote: ANIMAL
        I won't even comment on executions after interrogations. Regarding your person: either a provocateur or a moral freak

        Did you pay attention to the nickname of this person - wervolf1981? A Nazi, he is a Nazi in Africa and is no different from Bandera.
    2. +30
      13 February 2023 05: 10
      Quote from: wervolf1981
      shoot the ukronazis???

      If there are tattoos with Nazi symbols - immediately to the wall! This is a nonhuman!
      1. +11
        13 February 2023 06: 17
        diplomacy must work... at all available platforms... to convey information about crimes...

        —-Today, the voice of Russia on the platforms of the West has been reset. The platforms of Africa and Asia (with the exception of China and India), South America in the role of an information channel have little special meaning.

        —-Deeds must create an echo so that the voice is amplified and heard. And to keep this sad record - well, that's what bureaucrats are for.

        —- But the main thing is that wars are won not so much by love for the Motherland, but by the hatred of the blade of a sapper's shovel for the enemy. And it only shows up in combat. I'm not sure that such hatred can be learned - this is part of the talent of a fighter, a warrior.
        1. +15
          13 February 2023 08: 23
          Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
          wars are won not so much by love for the Motherland as by the hatred of the blade of a sapper's shovel for the enemy.

          Alexander Khodakovsky spoke about this in his telegram channel:


          “I read on the net a call to learn to hate them the way they hate us. Yes, hatred is a good temporary stimulant. But if we don’t have enough confidence in our own rightness, faith in ourselves, real motivations, hatred will support the “burning” for a while. all the time to inject hatred, because their house is built on sand and there is neither divine nor historical truth behind them.And hatred is like pure adrenaline: when there is enough blood, heart palpitations help, and when there is no blood, then adrenaline only in vain forces shrink heart.

          I am convinced that if we learn to hate the way they do, we will lose even if we win on the battlefield. They have already lost - their hatred of the Russian, manifested long before the Russian coming, led our territory under their control to the abyss. All that remains for them is that the injections are either hatred or Western handouts. Teach society to hate them - and you will destroy everything for which so many lives have been given. Better learn to understand what kind of war it is, and teach this understanding to others - that's enough."
          1. +4
            13 February 2023 09: 26
            An interesting thought: "... learn to understand for yourself what kind of war it is" We need to think ...
          2. +4
            13 February 2023 20: 59
            Last time we were able to stop such people only at the cost of 20 or 30 million lives of our people. And ... divine truth has nothing to do with it at all, but historically? Where is the superiority in history. The history of the Republic of Ingushetia is very unattractive. The outskirts bucked up and decided to change history, but we trample our own, correct and humane, into the dirt. Some galoshes and wood lice Solzhenitsyn are worth something. They look at this and conclude that they are right and have the right to push their own to the masses. Aloizych, too, did not suddenly become the adored Fuhrer
        2. +6
          13 February 2023 13: 36
          Quote: Michael Drabkin
          diplomacy must work... at all available platforms... to convey information about crimes...
          Actions must create an echo so that the voice is amplified and heard.
          You are right, but line of persuasion 404 passed: it has long been necessary to teach them to be afraid of the consequences: to find out where the relatives of war criminals live - Caliber through the window: so that even neighbors are afraid to live next to such. The Lviv cafe sounded a menu with criminal names - to demolish the entire building - so that they were afraid to even be close to such moral freaks. Land commanders who allowed the execution of prisoners - to destroy ...
          The exchange is a separate heavy topic: 404s are traded and tough - they change conditions, pull out specific characters, demand uneven exchanges. The shitty Red Cross from the side of the 404th is a sharashka cantor in the service of the Sbushniks. Well, their bureaucrats are also not archangels ...
          1. +1
            20 February 2023 17: 02
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Caliber through the window: so that even the neighbors are afraid to live next to such people. The Lviv cafe sounded a menu with criminal names - to demolish the whole building - so that they were afraid to even be close to such moral freaks. Land commanders who allowed the execution of prisoners - to destroy

            The neighbors are all the same. Are you sure that there will be enough Calibers for all Ukrainians?
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            The shitty Red Cross from the side of the 404th is a sharashka cantor in the service of the Sbushniks. Well, their bureaucrats are also not archangels ...

            Red works for both sides ... and the SBU and the FSB and a bunch more organizations from the Russian side. This is some kind of p..l hydra. The problem of the cross is in a huge number of "organizations" in the Russian Federation that POSSIBLY need a specific prisoner.
            If you are in the know, then you should know how not just fifty people look for exits to dozens of "offices". Deal with the "archangels", they most often do not care about their own if he is "from someone else's" office. The SBU themselves are already helping the cross and the guys from the Russian Federation. They even tried to hang cases on a couple of people, suspecting them of zrada.
        3. +2
          13 February 2023 19: 49
          Quote: Michael Drabkin
          diplomacy must work... at all available platforms... to convey information about crimes...

          —-Today, the voice of Russia on the platforms of the West has been reset. The platforms of Africa and Asia (with the exception of China and India), South America in the role of an information channel have little special meaning.

          —-Deeds must create an echo so that the voice is amplified and heard. And to keep this sad record - well, that's what bureaucrats are for.

          —- But the main thing is that wars are won not so much by love for the Motherland, but by the hatred of the blade of a sapper's shovel for the enemy. And it only shows up in combat. I'm not sure that such hatred can be learned - this is part of the talent of a fighter, a warrior.

          Our voice is nullified in the west because our bureaucrats do nothing to make us heard there.
        4. -1
          14 February 2023 09: 45
          Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
          excluding China and India)

          That's just it is impossible to rely on them from the word at all. Very pragmatic people. They have only one task - profit for themselves. And if the Hindus are a little modest with geopolitics, then the Chinese have no borders for China. I don’t know if the Americans and the West will be able to beat them (only together with Russia), but for Russia, China is not at all the way .... from the word in general.
      2. old
        +17
        13 February 2023 06: 48
        If there are tattoos with Nazi symbols - immediately to the wall! This is a nonhuman!

        Ukraine, under the guidance of senior curators, has successfully completed a course to dehumanize the image of Russians, and now we are not people for them and are no longer even Muscovites, but quilted jackets, orcs, and who else. Moreover, for the absolute majority, regardless of age, gender, and whether they fled to the front or to Poland. So, the absence of tattoos does not mean anything ..
        1. +7
          13 February 2023 08: 16
          1. Regardless of the SVO, these bastards need to be pulled out! The same Wagner very effectively catches "his" traitors on enemy territory.
          2. It is necessary not to hush up such facts and it is necessary to cover them in all federal media.
      3. +2
        13 February 2023 15: 33
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote from: wervolf1981
        shoot the ukronazis???

        If there are tattoos with Nazi symbols - immediately to the wall! This is a nonhuman!

        What about talking? A conversation with a good counterintelligence officer is worth a lot. And then ? And then according to the circumstances ... Or soup with a cat, or you work for us.
        1. +3
          14 February 2023 00: 08
          Quote: 30 vis
          What about talking? A conversation with a good counterintelligence officer is worth a lot. And then... .

          This work is carried out quietly, due to understandable circumstances, it is not voiced. But according to rumors, the guys who are engaged in "escort" recently in Grozny were well fed, and someone is talkative and before eyes appeared, to talk, before traveling to the Russian hinterland ... feel
    3. +11
      13 February 2023 05: 54
      Can introduce punishment for surrender?
      Maybe put machine gunners behind your back? Why not do a regroup?
      1. +13
        13 February 2023 11: 59
        Quote: parusnik
        Maybe put machine gunners behind your back? Why not do a regroup?
        It is in the Kremlin and on the Arbat that machine gunners should be placed so that there are no regroupings, then they will not be required at the front.
    4. +4
      13 February 2023 09: 21
      A person has strengths and weaknesses. Motivation among those mobilized on both sides is an extremely individual thing. From their side, the media, the Internet poured at least some kind of ideology into the ears for 8 years, on our side there was a clear distribution of powers between the government and society. You (the people) vote for us, then we decide everything. And the constant desire to forget the Soviet Heritage on the part of our government also did not add optimism. As a result, we see people who do not want to continue the conflict, do not want to go to the front, and being there, they do not see anything wrong with surrender. Are people to blame for the fact that we did not have ideological training? No. Will the punishment for surrender change anything? Well, maybe 10 percent of those who want to surrender will become less.
      1. +6
        13 February 2023 17: 24
        Ideology is prohibited by law.
        Why be surprised after that?
      2. 0
        13 February 2023 21: 57
        And what about motivation and surrender? You see that you can not fight anymore - you give up. Do not shoot at the temple with a pistol, since the ammunition has run out in the environment or some other reason has occurred. The Israeli army certainly cannot be called unmotivated, however, as far as I know, it allows the surrender of its soldiers into captivity and, I read somewhere, even recommends answering all questions honestly during interrogations.
    5. -1
      13 February 2023 10: 37
      Quote from: wervolf1981
      Maybe for a start stop exchanging odious war criminals??? Can introduce punishment for surrender? Maybe just shoot Ukronazis after interrogation???

      Or maybe just everyone on the front line to know that anyone captured is a potential candidate for an exchange, regardless of his crimes. Well, on to the situation.
      1. 0
        13 February 2023 15: 10
        No, I have our fighters. They must know and understand that there are beasts on the other side. Surrender, doom yourself to an inglorious death. different situations, but still, must understand
    6. BAI
      +2
      13 February 2023 11: 34
      So they introduced responsibility for surrender. Last year. Or tightened up if it used to be. But last year there was a royal decree on this subject.
      Obviously, a lot of people surrendered at the first opportunity, since the king had to intervene
    7. -2
      13 February 2023 12: 16
      Quote from: wervolf1981
      Maybe for a start stop exchanging odious war criminals??? Can introduce punishment for surrender? Maybe just shoot Ukronazis after interrogation???

      How do you imagine the punishment for surrendering? So, after the Second World War, many prisoners went to the camps.
      1. +1
        13 February 2023 15: 10
        Quote: Pilat2009
        How do you imagine the punishment for surrendering? So, after the Second World War, many prisoners went to the camps.

        None of the released prisoners of war went to the camps. Study Zemskov's works on repatriation.
    8. -3
      13 February 2023 16: 58
      First you need to stop officially capturing any soldier who does not speak our language))
      If a Pole or any other mercenary cut off their heads and prick them on spikes near road signs indicating the name and country) disassemble the rest into organs, it will come in handy in the household)
      And then already how many of these “orderlies and cooks” with foreign passports all sorts of Abramovichs have claimed that you don’t understand already) there is a war going on here or Abramovich rolls his laundering schemes with the release of foreign mercenaries who then come back pathetically
      1. Uno
        +2
        13 February 2023 21: 05
        God, what a game, what century do you live in?
      2. +1
        20 February 2023 16: 54
        Quote: Anchorite
        ...... cooks "with foreign passports were exchanged for all sorts of Abramovichs

        ))))
        Quote: Anchorite
        First you need to stop officially capturing any soldier who does not speak our language))

        What's this? Civil war with Nata?
    9. +2
      13 February 2023 17: 47
      Quote from: wervolf1981
      Maybe for a start stop exchanging odious war criminals???

      Every Ukronatsik should know that if he served (according to documents) in a unit, during the commission of a crime, against prisoners of war, civilians, he automatically becomes a criminal, with a decision, according to the laws of wartime. They need to leave the opportunity, before committing a crime, to stop, for the potential to survive, when captured.
      1. +1
        20 February 2023 16: 52
        Quote: skeptic
        Every Ukronatsik should know that if he served (according to documents) in a unit, during the commission of a crime, against prisoners of war, civilians, he automatically becomes a criminal, with a decision, according to the laws of wartime.

        It is impossible to establish legally reliable if there is no human biometric data in the Russian Federation. Infantry is not required to wear military tickets, and narrow units are not entitled.
        Quote: skeptic
        They need to leave the opportunity, before committing a crime, to stop, for the potential to survive, when captured.

        Ukraine has been pursuing such a policy since May. Is there an effect?
  2. +17
    13 February 2023 04: 58
    How should we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    But no way. More precisely, just physically destroy all the bastards.
    It's all simple.

    Let everyone who creates chaos understand that he is a suicide bomber without the slightest options.
    1. +5
      13 February 2023 05: 46
      Emotional, but not correct. With the total destruction of all prisoners, no one will surrender. And this provokes heavy losses on our part. When will they start surrendering in thousands, too, all against the wall? The main thing is not to let the leaders of the Nazis go, this is the main problem.
      1. +5
        13 February 2023 09: 02
        It is not at all clear why the author raised this topic. There are conventions, such as international ones, there are laws. There are odious promises from the party and the government to punish the Ukronazi criminals. And then the work of the investigating authorities and bodies, courts and penitentiaries. The main thing is not to let go for a reward, not to forgive and carefully document everything. They have no forgiveness and only punishment can wash away their guilt. And the punishment is simple - according to the laws of war. Only in the Russian Federation is the legislation so soft on real killers, rapists and bandits that they are released or kept in their usual gangster environment. They do not even stutter about the lifting of the moratorium. And what, all these Nazi criminals will become law enforcement citizens? Of course not. And there is only one cure - the highest measure of social protection, but according to the court.
        1. +3
          13 February 2023 09: 50
          And the punishment is simple - according to the laws of war. Only in the Russian Federation is the legislation so soft on real killers, rapists and bandits that they are released or kept in their usual gangster environment. They do not even stutter about the lifting of the moratorium. And what, all these Nazi criminals will become law-abiding citizens? Of course not. And there is only one cure - the highest measure of social protection, but according to the court.

          Where is the war? There is a SVO ... The moratorium on the death penalty is high time to cancel!
          And it is significant to hang war criminals. With a clear indication of all "feats". And do not be shy of the "world community". The world understands only force, Western "color-blind" people do not see any red lines.
    2. +4
      13 February 2023 09: 19
      Quote: Kuroneko
      But no way. More precisely, just physically destroy all the bastards.
      It's all simple.


      Well, we will definitely not shoot all the prisoners, but what we really need is to create an organization similar to Mossad that will deal with the liquidation of Nazi criminals wherever they are ... by decision of our courts, where the Investigative Committee will provide all the materials on certain crimes, then there will be justice, and the process of punishment will begin.

      And now what's the point of our knowledge of Ukraine's war crimes? A person committed it, and escaped punishment (to become a citizen / left for another country, etc.), even if we request extradition, the West will refuse us this, all the more I am silent about Ukraine.
  3. +31
    13 February 2023 05: 08
    Unfortunately, we have already begun to get used to such executions. It's getting used to

    I'm not used to it and never will.
    I was especially outraged by the decision of our authorities to exchange mercenaries and Nazis ... some of whom returned to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and are fighting against.
    I was outraged by the broken promise of the authorities to arrange a tribunal against the mercenaries and Nazi murderers of Ukraine ... where is it?
    I am outraged by the toothlessness of the authorities in relation to the decision-making centers of the Nazi headquarters and their leaders ... why weren’t the leaders of the SBU, intelligence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, SSO, or at least the heads of departments planning terrorist attacks on the territory of Russia, not destroyed ... the threat, after all, from them comes directly to all of us .
    And I have been seeing the crimes of the Nazis of Ukraine since 2014 ... it’s very creepy to look at some of them, as if I got to Volyn in 1943-44.
    Respect to Margelov ... he is a fighter and his words have never diverged from deeds ... unlike our empty red liners.
    1. -9
      13 February 2023 06: 26
      I am outraged by the toothlessness of the authorities in relation to the decision-making centers of the Nazi headquarters and their leaders

      Decision-making centers - Washington and London with Bruxelles. And you know it very well. There is only one option here: an exchange of NW strikes.
      1. +15
        13 February 2023 07: 19
        You talk nonsense. If the enemy leadership is systematically under attack, then he will need to take action. If the leadership is effectively destroyed, not the best will come to its place, because they will be smarter, but crazy ones, which is only to our advantage.
        But they don't touch. Because there, though enemies, but socially close elements. And so - ours do not touch their mongrels, but they do not arrange operations against ours. And after the war, both of them will shake hands and continue their joint affairs
    2. 0
      13 February 2023 10: 15
      That is, if you are outraged, then these people will not come to power as a result of the elections?
  4. +27
    13 February 2023 05: 15
    Maybe you don't need to start with verbiage? That the perpetrators will be held accountable? Why were the "Azovites", roughly speaking, released? Where is the promised process? Only the words "We fix everything and attract." Yeah ..
  5. +18
    13 February 2023 05: 19
    That's right, "there are commanders" ... It's time, in my opinion, it's high time, on the basis of terrorist acts and war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to declare the outskirts a terrorist state and, according to usual practice, an amnesty for ordinary soldiers, and destruction for commanders. And for any such manifestations - from the shelling of non-military targets to the killing of our fighters captured - actions of retaliation against the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the outskirts.
    But with our leadership, it is rather a utopia.
    1. -1
      13 February 2023 20: 00
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      That's right, "there are commanders" ... It's time, in my opinion, it's high time, on the basis of terrorist acts and war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to declare the outskirts a terrorist state and, according to usual practice, an amnesty for ordinary soldiers, and destruction for commanders. And for any such manifestations - from the shelling of non-military targets to the killing of our fighters captured - actions of retaliation against the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the outskirts.
      But with our leadership, it is rather a utopia.

      It's right. But here's the thing.
      If Ukraine and the current regime are declared terrorist, then they do not negotiate with terrorists and do not conclude agreements.
      And if they haven’t announced it yet, then there are those in power who leave a loophole for themselves, ... the opportunity to negotiate with Ze and the opportunity to conclude an agreement.
      1. 0
        14 February 2023 03: 46
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        the opportunity to negotiate with Ze and the opportunity to conclude an agreement.
        So I write "no mind, no will," because negotiations can be conducted with those who replaced the destroyed Ze and Caudle.
  6. +8
    13 February 2023 05: 21
    Many people will tell about acts of revenge. These were episodes. If all this is allowed, then we will look no better than the enemy. All these episodes were throughout all the wars. And as a rule, their instigators were punished. The fact is that we now have a different country. I can’t imagine where tens of thousands of prisoners would be assigned now. But during the war they were useful. German doctors even worked in their specialty. All this does not fit in with the present time.
    1. +2
      13 February 2023 12: 19
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      Many people will tell about acts of revenge. These were episodes. If all this is allowed, then we will look no better than the enemy. All these episodes were throughout all the wars. And as a rule, their instigators were punished. The fact is that we now have a different country. I can’t imagine where tens of thousands of prisoners would be assigned now. But during the war they were useful. German doctors even worked in their specialty. All this does not fit in with the present time.

      To Chechnya. Let them work in Chechen gardens
  7. +8
    13 February 2023 05: 21
    Quote: ANIMAL
    No, criminals cannot be changed! .

    So they exchanged it.
    On executions after interrogations ... I won’t even comment

    But nothing that the interrogated is guilty of the martyrdom of women, children, the elderly, our prisoners?
    1. +5
      13 February 2023 05: 40
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Quote: ANIMAL
      No, criminals cannot be changed! .

      So they exchanged it.
      On executions after interrogations ... I won’t even comment

      But nothing that the interrogated is guilty of the martyrdom of women, children, the elderly, our prisoners?

      I didn't change anyone, I'm against it. I can influence that situation by expressing my civil position on this issue and expressing dissatisfaction with the actions of the participants in that exchange.
      By executions. There is a harsh trench truth, they try not to take a really certain contingent prisoner and this is completely justified, or there are circumstances of irreversible force (for example, being in reconnaissance, not being able to escort, etc.), but if formally the combatant is already in captivity, all issues are resolved by The law and nothing else, or you are the same non-human of those who shoot in the back of the recumbent, you deserve only punishment. It is surprising that you (seemingly like an adequate person with adequate comments) do not understand this.
      1. +16
        13 February 2023 05: 54
        Quote: ANIMAL
        It is surprising that you (seemingly like an adequate person with adequate comments) do not understand this.

        I understand everything and understand your civil position.
        I can’t understand the sudden death of a woman shot dead by a Ukronatsik just to see how she dies, or the death of a Russian neighbor stabbed in the eye by a Nazi scumbag ... or a child killed by a shell fired by a serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk ... what did he do wrong?
        It's not a computer game... it's a merciless survival game in real life... either the Ukronazis and mercenaries will destroy us or we will destroy them... there will be no third option.

        How can you not understand that our people are being killed for real, and not in the movies.
        1. +1
          13 February 2023 06: 06
          Quote: Lech from Android.

          How can you not understand that our people are being killed for real, and not in the movies.

          Alexey, I just understand this, I understand what We are fighting for (including myself) and what distinguishes Us from them! We live in a state, according to the Laws, we are obliged to comply with both the norms of law and the norms of morality - This distinguishes us from animals and makes us Humans! I am not against the executions of nonhumans, I am for the fact that they are committed not only fairly but also lawfully, that is, in accordance with the law!
          1. +3
            13 February 2023 07: 42
            yes the lyrics are everything. Yes, there are situations where it is problematic to master prisoners ...
            the question is why spread this trash on the network from both sides?
            did the Tuvan castrate the vushnik? pulling out an eye with a spoon ... it all works like a Prigogine sledgehammer awakens patriotism - if you get there you have an edge ... they are fighting for their homeland here for the boys .. the war itself must feed
          2. 0
            13 February 2023 08: 47
            Have you ever watched an American movie? There, the protagonist often gives several chances to the enemy, does not kill him immediately, even if there is an opportunity, and as a result, completely innocent people die throughout the film, and at the end of the film, the protagonist is still forced to kill the villain, so there is no other way to stop him. And this is not a movie fairy tale, it's true - a person who has embarked on the path of lawlessness, who has tasted the pleasure of impunity for committed crimes, will never become "normal", he can and should be destroyed in order to protect other innocent people from him. And the sooner, the less he can do harm.
          3. +5
            13 February 2023 09: 17
            Quote: ANIMAL
            We live in a state, according to the Laws, we are obliged to comply with both the norms of law and the norms of morality - This distinguishes us from animals and makes us Humans!

            Are you a law-abiding citizen and respect the rule of law? And how many demands have already been made to lift the moratorium on the death penalty in relation to a number of crimes, including in wartime (in the areas of the NWO). Or do you think lifting the moratorium is an extremely difficult problem?
            Is it possible to shoot at the "combatant (s)" if he just shot at you, and when the cartridges ran out, he threw away the machine gun and raised his arms? Or at the one who just shot the prisoners, squealing at the camera what a hero he is, and ... here he is at gunpoint?
            I will repeat for you:
      2. old
        +3
        13 February 2023 07: 20
        There is a harsh trench truth, they try not to take a really certain contingent prisoner and this is completely justified, or there are circumstances of irreversible force (for example, being in intelligence, not being able to escort, etc.), but if formally the combatant is already in captivity, all issues are resolved by law and nothing else

        So it was during the Second World War and in most cases it is now. But both then and now there were deviations from these rules related to ... the emotional background, so to speak ..
    2. -2
      13 February 2023 18: 47
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Quote: ANIMAL
      No, criminals cannot be changed! .

      So they exchanged it.
      On executions after interrogations ... I won’t even comment

      But nothing that the interrogated is guilty of the martyrdom of women, children, the elderly, our prisoners?

      Shoot or hang by court order. Only where are they the promised courts and tribunals.
  8. +14
    13 February 2023 05: 31
    Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
    If all this is allowed, then we will look no better than the enemy.

    You don’t need to resolve everything ... you must at least bring these promises to the end ... there is nothing worse than lies and deceit from those you trust.
  9. +2
    13 February 2023 05: 39
    It is not clear with Mangushev, is the investigation over? Why did the author decide that this was the work of dill?
    1. +6
      13 February 2023 08: 51
      Even if it's not their doing, you don't think that the investigation will come out on themselves, do you? Or do you believe that the people's commanders of Donbass were all killed by Khokhlyatsky DRGs?
      1. +2
        13 February 2023 08: 58
        Of course not, and therefore surprised by the conclusions of the author.
        1. +2
          13 February 2023 10: 46
          I also noticed ... Mangushev is somehow off topic here
  10. +5
    13 February 2023 06: 06
    The author of one of the subheadings answers the question posed by him in the table of contents of the article
    Don't stop and beat, beat, beat
  11. +20
    13 February 2023 06: 12
    There is only one conclusion, similar to the order for the Hungarians during the Second World War: "Do not take prisoner!" IT IS BETTER FOR FERTILIZERS right away than to wait for Roma Abramovich to give them his liner ... And why is the fact hushed up that some of these liberated geeks are already fighting on the front lines again in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine !!? Here we need a serious ANSWER, such as already Wagner ... with a sledgehammer on the head !!! And it’s better to collect all this brown Greenery .... and hang it publicly on city squares, as was done in Kyiv, Odessa ... and other cities of Ukraine in 1944!?!!!!!
  12. +17
    13 February 2023 06: 14
    Quote: ANIMAL
    I am for the fact that they are committed not only fairly but also lawfully, that is, in accordance with the law!

    And I am for it ... but after the exchanges with the participation of Abramovich, I somehow doubt that this was done in accordance with the legislation of Russia ... request
    This is a common transaction of interested parties ... There is no smell of laws here.
    There was no trial of the Ukrainian-Nazis by the Azov people ... but the mercenaries were changed according to the law ... they found a hole in the Russian legislation in it to respect the father of the Saudis and the Anglo-Saxons.
    It all looks like a mockery of law, legality and justice.
    1. +2
      13 February 2023 15: 49
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      .but after exchanges involving Abramovich, I somehow doubt that this was done in accordance with the legislation of Russia ...

      This is the main question! Demand from ordinary citizens the execution of laws and give the law at the mercy of the Abramoviches. Roma with his resolvers harmed Russia, mother don't worry. Even dogs learn, bears, parrots begin to speak. When will our main ones stop making mistakes?
  13. +18
    13 February 2023 06: 39
    And one more thing: where are the promised tribunals, courts, videos from places of detention of convicted criminals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, how they mourn and repent of their deeds!? They don't exist... because they don't repent! Conclusion: FOR FERTILIZATION!!! Here, too, we are losing in the information, media war, since the concept of "special propaganda" is absent in the RF Armed Forces (when I was a cadet at VKIMO, we had a whole department of special propaganda!).
    1. -2
      13 February 2023 18: 39
      Quote: Sergio63
      And one more thing: where are the promised tribunals, courts, videos from places of detention of convicted criminals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, how they mourn and repent of their deeds!? They don't exist... because they don't repent! Conclusion: FOR FERTILIZATION!!! Here, too, we are losing in the information, media war, since the concept of "special propaganda" is absent in the RF Armed Forces (when I was a cadet at VKIMO, we had a whole department of special propaganda!).

      In terms of propaganda, we do nothing. He spoke about this many times.
      1. 0
        13 February 2023 22: 08
        Is it bad to live without propaganda? If nothing is being done in our country in terms of propaganda, then, probably, our state is one of the few on the planet who puts shit in the heads of citizens not in tons, but only in kilograms.
  14. +9
    13 February 2023 07: 18
    Usually those who do lawlessness do not like to advertise their actions very much.
    This is when they know that they will be severely punished for this, but the fact of the matter is that now these geeks revel in their impunity, otherwise they would not post the video on the Internet, and most importantly, they would not show their faces
  15. +14
    13 February 2023 07: 23
    Impunity. Confidence that there will be nothing for the crime. And, moreover, the shameful fear of management to harm big business. Cleansers. The blood is pouring real, not sham! But in order to answer harshly, you must have Faberge in your pants. Although... they don't even have the guts to call a spade a spade.
  16. -7
    13 February 2023 07: 27
    How should we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    Fix each. After the victory, we will deal with everyone, no matter where the criminal is.
    1. -3
      13 February 2023 18: 36
      Quote: Boris55
      How should we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      Fix each. After the victory, we will deal with everyone, no matter where the criminal is.

      Nikolai Kuznetsov, the Young Guards and other underground fighters, partisans, did not wait for the end of the war, but destroyed the criminals immediately.
      Many Nazi criminals escaped and lived long lives. The same Mengele and others. Hundreds and thousands.
      And here it can be the same, many will run away.
      So punish here and now and voice for what.
      The tablet on the chest is hung for something.
      But for this, Stalin must be in the Kremlin.
  17. +8
    13 February 2023 07: 29
    What to do with war criminals?
    Hang, according to the Nuremberg precedent. Actually, if in good conscience, it would be necessary to impale, but they will yell that it is not humane, well, them, these crap, and in, and in.
  18. +3
    13 February 2023 07: 33
    A country that physically has no future.


    This country has never been and never will be, it is a quasi-state like the rest that broke away during the collapse of the USSR. The fate of collapse, decline or war awaits them all. They have only one way out either back to the composition, or to the union state without the right to look to the west. There is no need to harbor illusions, they do not need prosperous countries.
    1. -2
      13 February 2023 07: 48
      Quote: krops777
      This country has never been and never will be, it is a quasi-state like the rest that broke away during the collapse of the USSR

      The former socialists never had the full competence of state administration, the lack of which was compensated by the central government.

      As for breaking away - it's not. The Council of People's Deputies voted for the independence of Russia. We joyfully celebrate this day of Russia's independence from the republics every year on June 12th. We ourselves abandoned them.
      1. +7
        13 February 2023 08: 36
        I don't understand why you are downvoted. Probably these people do not realize that Russia, under the leadership of the drunkard, adopted a declaration on the state sovereignty of Russia before Ukraine.
        1. -2
          13 February 2023 18: 25
          Quote: Vladimir M
          I don't understand why you are downvoted. Probably these people do not realize that Russia, under the leadership of the drunkard, adopted a declaration on the state sovereignty of Russia before Ukraine.

          Have you read it? Read, there is nothing about the withdrawal of Russia from the USSR.
          It says that Russia is a republic within the RENEWED Union.
          That is, in full accordance with the referendum on the preservation of the Union.
          Only the rights of the center were cut off there, I don’t want the most. That is, they left a minuscule.
          So it is not correct to compare with Ukraine. It was clearly stated there that Ukraine was withdrawing from the Union.
          So compare
      2. -2
        13 February 2023 18: 29
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: krops777
        This country has never been and never will be, it is a quasi-state like the rest that broke away during the collapse of the USSR

        The former socialists never had the full competence of state administration, the lack of which was compensated by the central government.

        As for breaking away - it's not. The Council of People's Deputies voted for the independence of Russia. We joyfully celebrate this day of Russia's independence from the republics every year on June 12th. We ourselves abandoned them.

        Dear June 12th is the Day of Russia, not the Independence Day of Russia.
        Renamed a long time ago.
        Probably the Day of Russia is needed, but the date is clearly unsuccessful. Reminds me of that shameful decision.
        You need to choose a different date.
        For example, the day when Ivan the Third tore the Khan's letters.
        1. +1
          13 February 2023 19: 33
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Probably the Day of Russia is needed, but the date is clearly unsuccessful. Reminds me of that shameful decision.
          You need to choose a different date.
          For example, the day when Ivan the Third tore the Khan's letters.

          This is difficult, and there will be a mismatch of calendars. But if the CBO ends successfully, then the day of the end will do for itself. Victory Day is not even close, but it is worthy of some kind of celebration. Or maybe the day the SVO started. But first you still need to finish, and then think about the holidays.
          1. -2
            13 February 2023 20: 06
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            Probably the Day of Russia is needed, but the date is clearly unsuccessful. Reminds me of that shameful decision.
            You need to choose a different date.
            For example, the day when Ivan the Third tore the Khan's letters.

            This is difficult, and there will be a mismatch of calendars. But if the CBO ends successfully, then the day of the end will do for itself. Victory Day is not even close, but it is worthy of some kind of celebration. Or maybe the day the SVO started. But first you still need to finish, and then think about the holidays.

            I have no objections. But the date needs to be changed.
            So that there is no analogy.
  19. +6
    13 February 2023 07: 42
    How should we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    It is necessary to eliminate those who manage these geeks - the top of Ukraine. Zelensky with his entourage, the generals... everyone you can reach and find out the coordinates. Calibrate.
    1. -8
      13 February 2023 08: 13
      Quote: Stas157
      It is necessary to eliminate those who manage these geeks - the top of Ukraine. Zelensky

      In the Second World War, an assassination attempt on Hitler was organized, the purpose of which was to change the leadership of Germany, start negotiations and thereby stop the offensive of the Red Army.

      You are suggesting exactly this, to stop our offensive in the Donbass and start regular negotiations with the "new" government, which is supposedly white and fluffy, does not belong at all and cannot be held responsible for what that government was doing... Is it necessary?

      ps
      Ukraine is run by Biden. Do you propose to eliminate it? laughing
      1. +1
        13 February 2023 19: 36
        Quote: Boris55
        Ukraine is run by Biden. Do you propose to eliminate it?

        In 2024, the American people will liquidate him, in the sense of kicking him out of the White House with rags. And the victory of Russia in the NWO will contribute to this.
  20. +7
    13 February 2023 08: 04
    How Comrade Stalin reacted to the murder of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya - "Soldier of the 332nd regiment, do not take prisoner!"
    1. -2
      13 February 2023 18: 17
      Quote: Vladimir61
      How Comrade Stalin reacted to the murder of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya - "Soldier of the 332nd regiment, do not take prisoner!"

      Only in the Kremlin now is not Stalin.
  21. +3
    13 February 2023 08: 11
    Unfortunately, we have already begun to get used to such executions. Just get used to it. I remember a wave of indignation after the execution of Russian paratroopers by the Georgian legion
    And everything depends on the leadership, on the supreme command, the Council of Federations, the Duma. They determine what is possible and what is impossible for our soldiers. After all, the leadership does not want to get under the Hague tribunal, so it plays nobility.
    1. +2
      13 February 2023 11: 44
      This is a consequence of mercy to the Germans and 404m after WWII ......
  22. 0
    13 February 2023 08: 21
    There is a recipe: 1) Victory, complete and unconditional surrender of Ukraine. 2) A precondition for negotiations to declare the extradition of all war criminals for trial, based on the precedent of the Nuremberg trials. 3) The introduction of the death penalty for war criminals in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (death by hanging), immediately.
    1. +3
      13 February 2023 11: 45
      To do this, you need to "shake" the democratic "bonds" in the Russian Federation. Now here the fighters for human rights will come running and pecking ....
  23. +5
    13 February 2023 08: 23
    Question posted incorrectly. We need to talk not about what we should do because of the execution of prisoners, but about what we can do because of the execution of prisoners. The author offers three options. He proposes to publish the names of commanders and executors. We do it this way and that, but it doesn't stop the atrocities. For, as the author himself correctly noted, the population of Ukraine is thinking about how to screw them to Europe and not fall under the distribution of mobilization. Further, the author proposes to convey to the world community. But firstly, the adversary tried to reliably eliminate all the instruments of influence of the Russian Federation. Secondly, the world community is different. In Poland, for example, the people will applaud, saying that this is how they need the aggressors. In the rest of Europe, people are busy with their own affairs, oh, leave me alone!, At best, they will sympathize. And the third option with an investigation and arousal is generally unrealistic. You can punish the enemy after his surrender, but this will not happen. Really looks to act in Margelovski. BUT. Are we different?
    1. -2
      13 February 2023 18: 16
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Question posted incorrectly. We need to talk not about what we should do because of the execution of prisoners, but about what we can do because of the execution of prisoners. The author offers three options. He proposes to publish the names of commanders and executors. We do it this way and that, but it doesn't stop the atrocities. For, as the author himself correctly noted, the population of Ukraine is thinking about how to screw them to Europe and not fall under the distribution of mobilization. Further, the author proposes to convey to the world community. But firstly, the adversary tried to reliably eliminate all the instruments of influence of the Russian Federation. Secondly, the world community is different. In Poland, for example, the people will applaud, saying that this is how they need the aggressors. In the rest of Europe, people are busy with their own affairs, oh, leave me alone!, At best, they will sympathize. And the third option with an investigation and arousal is generally unrealistic. You can punish the enemy after his surrender, but this will not happen. Really looks to act in Margelovski. BUT. Are we different?

      Nikolai Kuznetsov, our underground fighters, partisans, did not wait for the end of the war to punish the criminals.
  24. +3
    13 February 2023 08: 25
    The question can only be removed by action. Ukrainians simply "will not surrender." Catching the freaks who killed ours in the conditions of large-scale hostilities is not realistic, this is not Chechnya, and even there it did not always work out. And so, the Ukrainians decided to blow themselves up by stuffing a grenade into the anus, so as not to be captured. There is no pretext for the military prosecutor's office, but on the other side they will start thinking. Life is an amazing thing, you never know how it will turn.
  25. +1
    13 February 2023 08: 35
    How should we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    The question is completely incomprehensible, from the word "PERFECTLY" !!!???
    There is the experience of the Second World War, when the SS, overseers of our prisoners, marauders, traitors to the Motherland, punishers, etc. were not taken prisoner. If such people were captured, then a special department or SMERSH immediately dealt with them, then a court-martial, and by a court decision - a gallows in the square ...
    Also for example.
    Order I.V. Stalin, a soldier of the 332nd regiment, after bullying Z. Kosmodemyanskaya, should not be taken prisoner. The order was in effect throughout the war.
    1. -2
      13 February 2023 18: 13
      Quote: The Truth
      How should we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      The question is completely incomprehensible, from the word "PERFECTLY" !!!???
      There is the experience of the Second World War, when the SS, overseers of our prisoners, marauders, traitors to the Motherland, punishers, etc. were not taken prisoner. If such people were captured, then a special department or SMERSH immediately dealt with them, then a court-martial, and by a court decision - a gallows in the square ...
      Also for example.
      Order I.V. Stalin, a soldier of the 332nd regiment, after bullying Z. Kosmodemyanskaya, should not be taken prisoner. The order was in effect throughout the war.

      For this, Stalin must be in the Kremlin.
  26. +5
    13 February 2023 08: 41
    Sincerely, I will express my personal opinion.
    1. Collect information about crimes, search for criminals.
    2. All these actions of increasing the degree of violence are aimed at inciting hatred so that fewer Ukrainians surrender. And they will give up, it is inevitable. Over time, a motivated contingent will be replaced by a less motivated one, due to natural causes.
    3. It is necessary to make the procedure of transition to the Russian side habitual. In the same WWI, Czechs surrendered in thousands. And there let them write the testimony of who committed the crimes.
    4. Massive surrender may be a factor in an earlier end to the conflict. Therefore, before captivity, as it turns out, and after captivity strictly according to international laws.
    5. Exchanges are inevitable, so you need to be glad that you returned your own, and not regret that you let your enemies go. Exchange outside the norms of justice.
    1. +2
      13 February 2023 11: 46
      You need to start with the introduction of the death penalty for war crimes ..... and the decree "not to take prisoner" individual units of 404.
  27. +3
    13 February 2023 08: 42
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn9V41asoxs
    In this video, they talk about chemical weapons being used against Russian troops. This is true?
  28. +1
    13 February 2023 09: 02
    The recipe is: 1) The adoption of changes in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (the introduction of the death penalty) for persons who have committed war crimes on the basis of the precedent of the Nuremberg trials. 2) Militants of organizations banned in the Russian Federation, such as "Azov", a complete list is indicated, they cannot claim the status of prisoners of war and are subject to a court-martial in accordance with the legal novels introduced into the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. 3) Negotiations can only be conducted on complete and unconditional surrender, and only on the condition of the preliminary extradition of persons who have committed war crimes. 4) The changes outlined in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and other regulatory documents must be adopted immediately.
  29. +3
    13 February 2023 09: 11
    sevenfold revenge, as it was written in the bible, how else to destroy, in addition to the soldier, his family in the rear
    1. -3
      13 February 2023 09: 47
      "...not seven times, but seventy times seven..."
  30. +4
    13 February 2023 09: 23
    Nechay's prophecy. He spoke about the destruction of the gene pool. There will be no Ukraine on this territory. Maybe someday in the territory of former Canada ..
    1. +2
      14 February 2023 02: 13
      Grandfather Nechay was, the kingdom of heaven to him, a Slavic seer, but the Nazis killed him for his foresight, as Cassandra predicted the destruction of Troy. Although grandfather Nechay was a Hutsul, and this is by Bandera standards, the most Ukrainian of all, but they killed them, they kill their own if they said something wrong, what can we say about others, hatred of them made non-humans, undead and why then call these zombies to conscience and other laws, there are no laws for them, they themselves behaved this way and they need to bring it, for many the expectation of death will be worse than death itself ....
  31. +2
    13 February 2023 09: 28
    I also have a rac suggestion: 404 tiktokers advertise themselves in social networks. Each one can be identified. There are databases of who and where is registered and where the family lives (the same command staff, the leaders of the SIZO, where the prisoners are sitting) Send one Geranium 2 to the address of the family. And on the glider write to whom they sent it.
  32. 0
    13 February 2023 09: 40
    It seems to me that it would be good to document all these atrocities and war crimes (especially chemical weapons), get hard evidence for all these crimes, and then officially declare and issue a law that the Ukrainian army is an army of terrorists and anyone who is in it is on the moment the law is passed into force - a terrorist and will receive some years in prison, and this is provided that he did not kill anyone, etc. All prisoners who have not earned the highest measure will be sent to camps and then they will rebuild the whole of Ukraine. As they rebuild, amnesty for the most obedient and reformed, amnesty and deportation for the less obedient, let the Nazis continue to sit until everything ordered by the court has left. Give indulgences only to those who did not participate in the battles and voluntarily surrender without a fight (and not after it).
  33. +3
    13 February 2023 09: 45
    The crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and others are simply a consequence of Russian weakness. For the same reason, the attitude of the Nazis towards Russian and American prisoners during WWII was different. Cruelty is born of weakness and impunity.

    And weakness is generated by slavish psychology and admiration for strength. We remember perfectly what the people's favorite EBN did in his country ...
    "people of the servile rank are real dogs sometimes ... .." so the poet Nekrasov wrote. Only not "sometimes" they are like dogs, but always.
  34. +5
    13 February 2023 10: 18
    a soldier who kills an enemy with a weapon in his hands is a hero.
    ------------------------------------ without weapons------------- criminal.
    no need to invent a bicycle. 2000 years ago, smart people came up with everything. act according to the Bible - and the conscience will be clear.
    "Whoever strikes a man so that he dies, let him be put to death."
    and there is no need to suffer, proving to the world community the guilt of the ghoul - the flayer. the community is now deaf and dumb. just quietly and calmly, without advertising, take the lives of nonhumans.
    By the way, the appropriate site with the names of war criminals, of course, needs to be created as soon as possible. after bringing the sentence into execution, make an appropriate note on the names of the deceased.
  35. +5
    13 February 2023 10: 27
    Why this article? Raise the level of hatred?
    Let's remember that the Red Army liberated Ukraine in a year. Now they plan to carry out the operation for two years. That is, everything is scheduled.
    Maybe then questions to the president, the Minister of Defense, to those who trade with the West and Ukraine support them?
  36. +11
    13 February 2023 10: 35
    Let's approach the issue from the boring, bureaucratic side. Which our propagandists do not like so much.

    Name of the brutally murdered soldiers? HF subscriptions? Assigned task? Commander's last name? The circumstances of what happened? What actions were taken to save? What actions are being taken to prevent it in the future?

    I want to remind you that many members of the forum, quite recently, when a video appeared about the execution of 11 who surrendered without a fight, left comments that cowards needed it. (I strongly condemn this approach)

    My friends are frantic, soldiers are very rarely captured when they have a lot of cartridges, hot porridge for breakfast, there is a reliable connection with the commander, a clear and feasible order, and the necessary air or art support.

    All this can be solved, only the problem must first be recognized, and this, unfortunately, is regarded as discrediting and rocking the galley.
    1. 0
      13 February 2023 21: 28
      In my opinion, the only sane comment.
  37. +3
    13 February 2023 11: 01
    , which, shot the soldiers, has already been determined. For good, the house where the family lives, who raised such cattle, should not be sorry for a ballistic missile. Well, all family members are blacklisted, with detention at the border.
  38. +4
    13 February 2023 11: 25
    Quote from: wervolf1981
    Maybe for a start stop exchanging odious war criminals??? Can introduce punishment for surrender? Maybe just shoot Ukronazis after interrogation???

    I am begging you! If we stop exchanging, if we start punishing executioners and criminals, then the collective Abramovich Roma, whom the West holds behind Faberge with threats of complete confiscation of capital and property, will go berserk. These "rums" will rush upstairs, hold the bureaucrats by the nostrils and insinuatingly ask, they say, what, they lost the coast, they say, on whom they put their fingers like a fan, they forgot who they serve? Have we forgotten our instructions to carry out everything that the West broadcasts through us? Forgotten that we are obliged to ensure our well-being? Have you forgotten that it is ordered that the executioners and murderers of Bandera will be groomed, nurtured and brought back well-fed and unharmed? Would you like to get a small economic storm, with a drop in production, throwing people out into the streets without a livelihood? We will provide this like two fingers on the asphalt!
    And that's all, and they will immediately run under the white hands of the notorious executioners to turn the Ukro-Reich.
    1. +2
      14 February 2023 02: 00
      What about the conclusion? Privatize all the Obramovites and create an analytical department out of them somewhere in the northern archipelago without access to communications, and replace them with other people not connected with their capital, and use their capital for good deeds, but they don’t do this, because to the very top everyone’s snout was down, so Comrade Furgal began to do this with his “abrams”, so he was quickly zakapaty in a tsugunder, because he is dangerous, others will start doing it, but I don’t understand why he, as Comrade Evdokimov, was not driven by car, because for him on D.V. a lot of people went, and it's dangerous...
  39. +5
    13 February 2023 11: 27
    Regarding the abuse of prisoners and executions of prisoners by the Ukrainian side. Bring to the attention of Ukrainian soldiers and citizens that each fact and the participant will be necessarily revealed regardless of the outcome of the war and punished by the death penalty for those responsible. This will be done by an indefinite special service. Scatter leaflets / warnings about this once along the fronts. Rumor itself will spread warnings to everyone. It should be specifically noted that the perpetrators do not hope to take refuge abroad or that over time everything will be blurred / forgotten. Kara will overtake not in heaven but on earth.
    ps. Traitors and war criminals of the Second World War were searched and found all over the world and punished throughout the post-war period.
  40. +9
    13 February 2023 11: 34
    When Shamanov publicly announced last year that the special forces allegedly took those who shot at the knees of our prisoners, and then these freaks released mocking videos ...
    When they promised a trial against the "Azov" people, and then they showed off their new "iPhones" flying to Turkey...
    When .... it doesn't matter at all ...
    The army is again forced to fight in peacetime. I doubt there will be any retribution recourse
  41. +4
    13 February 2023 11: 42
    Let's start with the red lines. For the collective West, one of the "red lines" is the use of chemical weapons. Let us recall the provocations of the White Helmets in Syria. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine are using chlorine chloride against our fighters, and what is the reaction of the collective West? None, they just don't notice.
    For them, we are "funny little animals" to the proud title of "man" do not reach. And as long as they treat us like this, all this talk about a just punishment is empty chatter for complacency.
    What to do? To make it so as to "not notice" violations of the basic laws of war against us would be sensitive, at least at the level of counter-sanction and so that the entire population would feel it, but in our case this is from the realm of unscientific fiction :(
    The example of Margelov described in the article is worthy of imitation.
  42. +8
    13 February 2023 11: 44
    There is a war going on between the two political systems.

    More correctly: "There is a war between two SAME political systems."
  43. +3
    13 February 2023 11: 49
    Russia turned out to be completely unprepared for such atrocity on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There is no television and radio broadcasting on the territory of the neighboring state with reliable information about Russian policy and the future of Ukraine. At the same time, local sources of information are not destroyed. Although on the territory of Kherson the TV center leading Russian broadcasting was instantly destroyed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine when Kherson was not surrendered. As by the way, the Antonovsky Bridge, which no air defense could protect. Russia was incapable of such actions, not to mention the Crimean Bridge, although before that they were loud assurances that this is impossible. Everything turned out to be possible. There are no changes in the criminal code on the introduction of punishment for terrorism, war crimes, the creation of a special court for such cases.
    The Investigative Committee is considering something there and how many years will it still consider what has been proven by reality? There are no acts of delivering criminals and punishment, as the same Mossad practices as an example. There is no real result of the work of the investigative committee when the criminal is caught and neutralized. There are no visible results in the formation of public opinion in third countries by submitting their information there, visits of delegations (again, the Foreign Ministry does not work at all and at least primitive broadcasting to these countries). Only NATO, the European Union are heard , so what do you want to prove to them? The example with the Skripals taught nothing and no one. That the most utter lie, such as the use of military weapons against individuals, which turns out to be a violation of the chemical weapons convention, despite the fact that Russia destroyed all chemical weapons, in contrast from the USA and Great Britain, but they are white and fluffy, they sit with chemical weapons and do not violate anything, they all eat it and will not choke! God forbid they brought something from some country. By God, how they threaten a kid with a belt if he does not obey. And it would not be time for our "concerned" Foreign Ministry to make a statement: that Russia, in connection with the massive supply of weapons to Ukraine, declares its right to take weapons, materials, etc. wherever it sees fit, and those countries that cooperate in this area will enjoy the protection of the Russian Federation, including nuclear weapons, from any attacks and color revolutions. Well, or at least stupidly copy and send the same high-altitude "meteorological" balloons from Kaliningrad or Belarus, receiving all the necessary information, so AWACS did not bother to build. And in the event of a downing, warn that any objects over the territory will be destroyed in the same way Ukraine, from which information of any nature comes. Yes, and electronic warfare would be useful here. And it was not thought to put explosives in the tunnel to prevent the delivery of military cargo through the Carpathians, instead of setting up special forces in an infantry battle. And so on
  44. +3
    13 February 2023 11: 50
    How to react to this - they showed "Wagner".
    The name of the lover of killing prisoners is known, the home address, by the way, too.
    Wrong deeds must be stopped, bad people must be adequately punished.
  45. +8
    13 February 2023 11: 57
    The story about Margelov is not confirmed by documents.
    Shooting prisoners of war is a war crime for which there is no statute of limitations. Therefore, there is no need to do anything new, just look for criminals and punish them.
    Only this is a small detail of Sanya, the criminals know that nothing will happen to them. How can one be afraid of Russian justice after the exchange of Azov leaders?
  46. +5
    13 February 2023 12: 29
    First. That's right - the crime should be widely publicized and punished.
    But what do we see? That the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, the FSB of the Russian Federation, the Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and our entire political elite are not doing it successfully, with full understanding and awareness of what is happening .... Nothing.
    NOT A SINGLE dispersal of pro-Russian bloggers in TG, not 1 news on TV, not 1 statement to the UN, human rights commissions, etc.
    Only the pro-Ukrainian Shariy speaks openly about such crimes.
    But the IC regularly publishes some crimes there in 1943, yeah. Which of course is important, but not during the current database with a bunch of new crimes. No words, one mate. Maybe put the government of the Russian Federation? For discrediting the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, wrecking and sabotage?
    Someone exchanged the Azov man who shot the wounded tanker? Who could it be, personally Abramovich?

    What should be:
    A clear wording: if you kill a Russian, die. No options. No statute of limitations. Anywhere, any way, you will die. Retribution will come.

    1. The FSB and military intelligence, together with the Investigative Committee, should publicly investigate such cases, giving all possible publicity. The result should be an open case, with: full name, photographs of the offender and signs, listing addresses and links, relatives,
    And most importantly - a description of the crime committed.
    Such a list should be as widely distributed as possible EVERYWHERE.
    Persons from the list are not subject to exchange under any circumstances, it is allowed to kill on the spot.
    Their commanders are also included in the list after 10 days and no execution/investigation.

    2. Either the FSB is able to work on its own, and then the criminals die under mysterious circumstances. Well, there a bumblebee flew into the window, a car accident, you can leave your autographs recognizable, and kill with punishment.
    OR if it is helpless, a bitcoin bounty must be attached to the list. And a link where to drop the evidence, and what label to leave.
    Better - all this at once.

    3. The prisoners should be met by a medical board with doctors from different countries (China, India, for example), in order to immediately record all traces of torture. Representatives of the UK - to document all the results, the press - blurring their faces, broadcast it in all languages.

    The result is a list with red lines crossing out names from list 1 and a photo of the deceased killer.

    And yes, the principle of "an eye for an eye" would change a lot in the NWO. If, in response to gas pipelines, the friendship gas pipeline in Ukraine would have exploded, depriving it of income, and Europe - of gas.
    If there were any attempts at sanctions, the oil and gas pipeline would immediately be blocked.
    If there were attempts to confiscate property and accounts, there would instantly be retaliatory blocking in the Russian Federation.
    If the explosion of gas pipelines, someone cut the pipelines and cables of Britain, or the United States.

    And attempts to carry out a convoy of a grain deal without the consent of the Russian Federation would be severely suppressed by the Black Sea Fleet, and they would be completely blocked by it. (Although why the hell do we need this deal at all, it would be in our interests to keep gas for the production of video cards and grain in the ports of Ukraine for as long as possible, and not to feed Europe).

    Oh yes. It’s necessary first to remove the peace party, which is counting on making a mess, now arrange a deal, spitting on all the lives of Russian people burned in the crucible of war ...
  47. +4
    13 February 2023 12: 30
    During the Great Patriotic War, German officers and soldiers from the reinforcements began to have a uniform hysteria when they learned that they were sent to the regiment "distinguished" by the execution of Z. Kosmodemyanskaya. Because our special propagandists brought to the attention of the Wehrmacht that nothing good shines for the personnel of the regiment, and even an attempt to surrender will not save, everyone will be destroyed. Of course, the Germans fought fiercely after that, but at the slightest hint of a turn around the flanks, a disorderly retreat began. In the end, the regiment was reset in the summer of 1944 in Belarus. That's right, a little digression into history.
    IMHO, a special operation to destroy the most odious units and personalities, with the subsequent publication of these facts and demonstrations of details from corpses, would greatly help enlightenment in the brains of the personnel of the Wehrmacht's coming out. The inevitability of destruction could have a great effect on the psyche.
    However, none of this is being done to the cries of "we are not like that" from the Ministry of Expression of Concerns (MOE) and media watchdogs.
    The MVO is shaking pieces of paper of all sorts of conventions, they say, we will not allow deviations from them, we want to look white and fluffy in the eyes of the average "world community".
    Supervisory authorities are also shaking all kinds of papers, saying that we will not allow the propaganda of violence, shocking content, we will not allow the violation of all sorts of conventions, we will not allow the creation in the eyes of the "world journalistic community" of the image of propagandists of violence and murder. It is clear that this public is acting in the expectation that the outcome of the NWO will definitely be a deal, and you need to have trump cards in front of the West, they say, look how I tried, how I defended Western "values", so that the West would sip them again.
    As a result of all this, it has already been read in Ukrainian-Reich publics that the "evil Muscovite orcs" are already trembling with horror in anticipation of imminent defeat and retribution, and therefore they are ready to lick the captured "warriors of light" from head to toe, if only " fair-faced" then put in a good word for them. Therefore, not a single hair will fall from the heads of those who will be captured by the "orcs", no matter what this "bright-faced" did before with the captured "orcs". And all kinds of intermediaries - the collective Abramovich - give guarantees that no matter what executioners and murderers are taken prisoner, they will be cherished and cherished and returned back safe and sound.
    The result of such "chivalry" is the absence of the Wehrmacht and the Gestapo's coming out of even a hint of fear that retribution for criminal acts will be done. And the feeling of impunity promotes even more heinous crimes.
    And while there will only be smearing of snot and pathetic appeals to the notorious "world community", they say, you see what is happening, well, judge, for Christ's sake, well, is it difficult for you to wag your finger? And we, on the other hand, will arrange squatting dances, they say, you see, the "world community" has condemned, we must continue to chew snot.
    So, as long as this winding of snot on fingers continues, the killings of our prisoners will only multiply.
    Only extremely tough responses, actions of retribution, with the dismemberment of the Wehrmacht executioners and murderers coming out, will be able to shorten these unbridled bastards.
  48. +2
    13 February 2023 12: 55
    Do not take the Armed Forces completely prisoner - send everyone straight to Bandera. This is the only correct solution.
  49. NSV
    +2
    13 February 2023 12: 56
    How to react???
    Take less captive this ukronechist and then feed it at the expense of us !!! Good dill, dug dill and become humus!
  50. +3
    13 February 2023 13: 10
    I will begin with
    Even the youth, whom we often accused of radicalism, no longer imagine themselves in Ukraine.

    This seems to me the most important. Why didn't we have a powerful patr. rise?
    Because what is happening now is happening incomprehensibly from the philistine point of view. Resources continue to be pumped through Ukraine (including for it), they continue to agree on something with it, NVO is still NVO and not war. Every week someone declares their readiness for negotiations "without preconditions" - and the layman looks at this and thinks "not today, tomorrow it will all end as it began, so why die?" .
    The situation appears to be DIFFERENT. On the one hand, yes, our agitprop has been flowing with poisonous saliva and epithets for almost a year now, in everything related to Ukraine and its authorities (which, in principle, with a number of reservations has been for 8 years), on the other hand, in "real politics" actions are CLEARLY taking place in other rules and principles. That is, there is conditionally "servile truth" and "master's truth", and the difference has already reached the moment when the layman FEELS it.
    To be fair, this difference is always there. No matter how much some Ehrenburg spit about "kill the fascist!" at the "people level", the same Paulus was taken alive and no one began to harass the Germans in the boiler "for compost". However, there is, apparently, a certain border of such a dissonance between the two levels of being, beyond which a misunderstanding of the logic of what is happening begins to grow.
    If a person does not understand what is happening - he, for the most part, will not be in the forefront in a hurry to "rake". By the way, it should be taken into account that, evolutionarily, we have weeded out such "wishers" for centuries as a species through wars and various crises. The most conscientious perished in the forefront - the more cautious remained.
    And so I summarize - you may not agree with a number of what I have outlined, but the general essence, in my opinion, is undeniable - our line of action cannot be called LOGICAL and consistent in the context of our public rhetoric. So why are we waiting for enthusiasm?

    As for the heading of the article "How do we respond to the war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?" . It is necessary to react first of all LOGICALLY and CONSISTENTLY. Guilt in war crimes should be divided into three levels.
    1) The level of the direct executor - the person who performs the VP directly. Investigate, search, in case of detection, either work on extradition (if possible), or like with Eichmann. And then judge and life without the right to pardon. It's stupid for a lover to shoot on the knees to a ripe old age to see the sky in a box.
    2) The level of organized structures that do not interfere with the performer - that is, his unit in which he was located and in the environment of which he committed the act. Those people who filmed all this and were present at the commission of the crime, those who knew about it but did not oppose it.
    IMHO, these people should also be punished, just as the Germans suffered (albeit often forcibly mobilized by the Hitler regime) - many years of labor restoration activities to restore the Donbass. From a human point of view, this is difficult question, because "not all conversations are dialogue, not all satellites are comrades", however, actions of such a plan can be interpreted as "criminal inaction" in a situation of threat to human life. And here everything is more or less clear.
    3) The level of higher command, which is responsible for the activities of subordinates.
    It's simple - 1 case in a unit can be a "personal crime". More than 1 case is already a systemic phenomenon, answers. for which the commander bears - as well as the higher command, under whose auspices there are more than 1 such unit. The presence of any written instructions should not be a decisive factor - the commander is responsible for his people and is aware of their activities. If he does not interfere with her, he automatically indulges her. Otherwise, as in paragraph "1".

    P / s: but, as you understand, all this will only be "wet fantasies" if we limit ourselves to a couple of areas. The culprits (for the most part) will flow away, and for reasons of political stability, their extradition will be torpedoed by both sides (overtly or covertly, actively or passively). So in "wartime conditions" - the most effective tool available to us - is massive strikes against "stained units" and headquarters with responsible persons.
  51. +2
    13 February 2023 13: 16
    I don’t think there’s any way to react publicly. Don’t even indicate the number of Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel killed in clashes with us. It is definitely necessary to collect information about crimes and judge them after victory. The unknown is more frightening than clarity. Let them come up with the horrors of what will happen to them.
    1. +3
      13 February 2023 18: 04
      Quote: V.
      I don’t think there’s any way to react publicly. Don’t even indicate the number of Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel killed in clashes with us. It is definitely necessary to collect information about crimes and judge them after victory. The unknown is more frightening than clarity. Let them come up with the horrors of what will happen to them.

      Absolutely not the right position.
      The only thing that affects the criminal is that the punishment comes immediately and everyone knows for what.
      And not to voice it... after the war, etc.
      This will not scare them and they will continue to commit atrocities.
  52. +1
    13 February 2023 14: 18
    I'm tired of the Russian Federation acting according to Vysotsky - "like a schoolboy fighting with selected punks." One boast - MTR MTR.
  53. +2
    13 February 2023 15: 43
    After Azovstal, do you have any questions? Don’t take prisoners alive, otherwise they will be treated and sent back
  54. +2
    13 February 2023 16: 04
    There should be only one reaction, namely the recognition of the Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian Armed Forces as terrorist organizations. And after that, work with them as terrorists, which means the liquidation of the government quarter in Kyiv and the Ukrainian government.
    1. -2
      13 February 2023 20: 22
      Quote: lopvlad
      There should be only one reaction, namely the recognition of the Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian Armed Forces as terrorist organizations. And after that, work with them as terrorists, which means the liquidation of the government quarter in Kyiv and the Ukrainian government.

      I already wrote above, but I’ll repeat it.
      If this is done, then all negotiations will become impossible. There are no negotiations with terrorists and no agreements are concluded.
      And in the Kremlin, apparently those who still want such negotiations are strong.
      That is why they are not declared terrorists.
      It is not for nothing that many are afraid of an agreement.
      And not declaring the Ukronazi government a terrorist regime, this is a signal that an agreement is possible.
  55. +2
    13 February 2023 16: 08
    If the enemy does not surrender, they destroy him.
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  57. +2
    13 February 2023 16: 45
    Shoot, how to react. They will surrender, they will be exchanged, and they will again kill our own people. PMC Wagner transported 25 cars of corpses from Soledar to their homeland, western Ukraine
    With mass surrenders, you may feel sorry when they surrender in droves.
    This is war, who is here and who should be pitied? They shoot at you and you shoot at them. And by the time you reach them, they will kill a bunch of your comrades, and you must simply destroy the enemy.
    Everyone who surrenders is cunning... in one place, they killed and then they said we worked as cooks and did not kill anyone.
    When the news reports that so many people have been killed in this direction, you’re probably sitting there discussing that it’s not enough if there were 40 people there?
    If they want to surrender, such people must be accepted and allowed to live.
  58. +1
    13 February 2023 17: 25
    If, immediately after the video of the execution of prisoners appeared, we would have sent half of the brigade where the criminals serve to their forefathers, others would have thought hard

    This is how you should act!!! And so that this becomes known to all Bandera bastards. Then and only then will this cowardly scum, shaking for its own skin, think about its crimes, now realizing that no matter how they try to hide them, it will become known and retribution will be inevitable!
  59. -2
    13 February 2023 17: 27
    A very difficult topic indeed.
    Do you know why they do this?
    Because they are NOT AFRAID!
    They didn’t give a damn about all the criminal cases that the Trace. Com. turns on.
    They know that in Russia there is no death penalty.
    That if they are captured, they will either serve time and be released on parole, amnesty, or even exchanged.
    So all this is a consequence of our toothlessness and softness.
    Which is what these non-humans use.
    They should be afraid until they have diarrhea. They must know that punishment is inevitable.
    They should be outlawed and destroyed without trial or investigation. And immediately, and not wait for the end of the war and look for them.
    Destroy as Margelov did, as Nikolai Kuznetsov did, as our partisans and underground fighters did.
    They simply killed and hanged.
    In the same way with the use of chemicals. weapons. Warn Zelensky, Zaluzhny and other scum that if they don’t stop, Kyiv and Lvov will be razed to the ground, that a hunt will be announced for them.
    They must be afraid!
    You can’t deal with bandits and non-humans on a human level.
    1. +1
      13 February 2023 18: 06
      Well, or alternatively, they are not afraid because they are dying of victory, and like the West is for them, well, they will cover for them, it’s not for nothing that Bandera’s supporters and all sorts of scumbags fled after the Second World War abroad to the USA and Canada.
  60. +1
    13 February 2023 17: 56
    Uncle Vasya Margelov knew how to do everything, and it worked.
    And now they have forgotten that the only hope is for Prigozhin, a consistent and honest person.
    He won’t shoot prisoners, but it will be difficult to get captured by him, let’s say the same 80th brigade once - and won’t surrender, because the heroes...
    1. 0
      13 February 2023 18: 11
      ...oga, hiroi posthumously....

      tttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
  61. 0
    13 February 2023 19: 34
    Einige hier reden vom Krieg und auch anderen Konventionen!

    Wenn dieser Krieg eines zeigt, dann dass der Westen unter Führung
    der USA jederzeit bereit ist, sich mit der Genfer Konvention den
    Arsch abzuwischen!!
    Also was ist zu tun, um ähnliche Greueltaten ein für alle mal zu
    unterbinden und bereits begangenen nachhaltig zu bestrafen?!?

    Für jeden auf bestialische Weise getöteten gefangenen Russen
    Muss jeweils ein komplettes, ukrainisches Dorf, möglichst im
    West ausradiert werden! Außerdem hätte die Stadt Kiew
    als Sitz der Entscheidungszentrale solcher Kriegsverbrechen
    und der seit langem bestehenden Anordnung, vor allem auf
    russische Zivilisten und Krankenhäuser zu schießen, schon
    sehr lange vollständig und umfassend in SCHUTT UND ASCHE
    gelegt werden müssen!!
    Then würden wir über derartige Kriegsverbrechen schon lange
    nicht mehr reden müssen; viele wären gar nicht erst passiert...!!!

    Und jetzt bitte keine dämlichen Kommentare, es herrscht KRIEG
    und wir müssen den USA beibringen, dass SIE von Russland das
    doppelte bis dreifache bekommen werden, was man Russland gibt
    und zwar OHNE JEDE EINSCHRÄNKUNG...!!!!!
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  63. +1
    13 February 2023 19: 55
    There were prisoners on whom Ukrainian “specialists” worked hard before exchanging them for their own. From shot knees before castration. We were indignant. Today, a lame person or, in general, someone who is carried on a stretcher when prisoners meet, no longer raises questions among society. Like this.


    Until that moment, I was still wondering who the author was, and then I immediately realized that it was Alexander “We will not surrender Kherson!” Staver.

    On my own behalf, I would like to note that today there are no statements from the RF Investigative Committee, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Ministry of Defense, etc. about the alleged castration of prisoners. Which is quite logical, since in order for a man not to die after castration, a real medical operation must be performed... but do they need it?

    But the “grandmothers on the bench” are constantly discussing how their brother’s chick’s friend told them that there are a lot of them in the hospital and they all committed suicide.

    War crimes have no statute of limitations. It will not be possible to find the criminal right away - he will be found later. Even if it takes years, decades, he will be punished. Such work is currently underway. None of the criminals can be “forgotten.”


    Is this Alexander talking about the exchanged Azov players?
  64. +1
    13 February 2023 20: 58
    The Russian leadership is silent even after outright terrorist attacks against civilians, whatever you want... I can still see in front of my eyes in Mariupol, at one of the Azov bases, a girl without arms, with a disfigured face, and a swastika carved on her stomach. One could try to establish the identity and show photos of Bandera’s atrocities on all platforms. I would be a Russian Jeanne d'Arc. But no, silence. The Kupyansk massacre is the same as the Nazis throwing girls into the pit.

    Well, the author did not clearly indicate how to react to this. In my opinion, there is only one answer: an eye for an eye. Once clearly indicate that there will be a similar answer and, I assure you, there will be fewer people willing. If a video of the execution of our soldiers pops up, after a short time a video of the execution of Ukrainian soldiers should “suddenly” appear. And Nebenzya at the UN would say: you see, you do not react to atrocities against our soldiers, cruelty begets cruelty, ours have begun to take revenge, and we can’t do anything about it. Therefore, let's make every effort from all sides to prevent this from happening again. And this would be a clear, unambiguous message.

    The same applies to attacks on civilians. Bomb some volunteer center and say that this is a military mistake. And unofficially convey to Kyiv that terrorist attacks will continue, they will fly to Ukrainian-speaking regions, to administrative buildings.

    But this won't happen. That’s why the government in Russia is impotent.
  65. 0
    13 February 2023 21: 05
    Punishment, including for war crimes, must be exclusively in accordance with the Law. The law must establish Justice. It is impossible to beat, torture, and even more so shoot prisoners of war. War criminals identified among prisoners of war are held accountable in accordance with the Law. In this case, the Law must be both fair and strict. War criminals hiding from Justice in other territories are requested from the authorities of the host country through official channels. If there is a refusal to extradite the criminal, a special operation will be carried out to move him or he will be liquidated by a sentence (decision) of a judicial authority. And no snotty forgiveness or exchange of war criminals for anyone, even if this is the most beloved and dear godfather.
  66. Uno
    0
    13 February 2023 21: 22
    I would like to ask on the topic of prisoners, but do you think the Wagnerites only execute their own?
  67. 0
    13 February 2023 22: 20
    You need to accept for yourself that everyone who supports Maidan Ukraine should be sent to re-education or killed, without options. And this applies to both those who live in Russia and those who live in the territories of the former Ukraine.
    These are zombie Nazis who have no place on Earth.
    1. 0
      13 February 2023 23: 44
      I agree with you, there’s no point in fussing about, feed, water, fuck you in the bag, there’s no point in taking them prisoner, they’re kicking, in the jug, they took the weapon, and the gas to the hut, those who are clean.
  68. +1
    14 February 2023 00: 05
    In relation to those military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who surrender voluntarily or are captured during hostilities, all necessary investigative actions must be carried out, and, if there is evidence that they have committed war crimes, they must be tried in accordance with the Legislation of the Russian Federation. The death penalty for such persons is desirable, but not obligatory (15-20 years in uranium mines is the same as the death penalty...).
    If servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are captured directly at the scene of their commission of war crimes, then they must be dealt with according to the laws of war - identification, court-martial and execution.
    As for persons who are not legal combatants (mercenaries of the “foreign legion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine”, fighters of neo-Nazi armed groups and similar persons...), then in relation to this category of persons only one measure of punishment is possible - the death penalty by a verdict of a military court ...!
    In relation to captured military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who have not committed any war crimes, it is necessary to act in the same way as the USSR authorities acted in relation to captured soldiers and officers of Nazi Germany and its allies - imprisonment in special prisoner of war camps for the purpose of using them in restoration work objects on the territory of Russia...
    As for extrajudicial reprisals against prisoners of war, Russian military personnel still should not become like Ukrainian neo-Nazis, if only because there is no practical benefit from such reprisals, but only a decline in the morale of Russian Armed Forces personnel...
  69. 0
    14 February 2023 08: 29
    How to react... And it depends on where you are. If there is a war, there is only one reaction. And if “on the sofa”... It’s optimal to fill up the slurp on the sofa. Well, if at least some self-esteem remains.
    Ubi nil vales, ibi nihil velis.
  70. Jin
    0
    14 February 2023 20: 05
    Alexander, a very competent and balanced article.
    What can I say... It’s not about Ukraine, it’s about the USA, I’m not revealing America to you, you understand everything yourself, it’s not small... Such a pun. No one will hear there...
    What's the point of throwing beads?
    My perspective as a commander (formerly) of a small unit.
    In modern realities, create mobile military courts with broad powers (in relation to the enemy especially. Interrogations with bias!((( ONLY this way!!!). Stop rolling cotton wool already!!!((( Document on video media. There on the front end. Pass sentences - shoot (This can be discussed separately... but the State Duma is the State Duma), it’s easier not to take prisoners. Let the moneybags think for themselves for this. Film all this on video and distribute it to the masses. Cruelty begets cruelty, but they do not seek good from good.
    Enemies need to be killed!
    This is not bloodthirstiness, but a healthy reaction.
    If a virus enters a healthy body, there are two options:
    1. The body will die
    2. The virus will die
    I ask all “humanists” and other crying boys, as well as pale young men with burning eyes, to pass by comments...
    War is evil. And in war, the evil that is more evil wins...
    (Our people won the Great Patriotic War because they were angrier... For the murdered families, for the destroyed cities, for their own shattered fate...)
    If you are kind, you will be dead... If this is not clear, do not go, children, to go to war! Watch the movie further, drink beer and poke the buttons - don’t find yourself in the position of those executed soldiers...
    Finished. Sincerely.
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  72. +1
    15 February 2023 21: 10
    The topic is truly complex and has no simple or easy solutions. But one direction was slightly begun by the author, but did not receive a logical conclusion. This is the personal responsibility of all commanders of the direct perpetrators of war crimes. It must be fast and inevitable. All control units of the unit must be identified in an ascending manner and strikes must be made against them using all available means. Naturally, for this, reconnaissance must operate effectively and high-precision powerful weapons must be used.
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