Army of the post-Ukrainian future

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Army of the post-Ukrainian future
Source: t.me/Ugolok_Sitha


New or well-forgotten old?


A year will soon pass since the beginning of the special military operation, and this is an occasion to take stock.



The events unfolding in Ukraine from February 24, 2022 will have an impact on the tactics and methods of building military forces around the world. In this sense, the conflict, local in scale, has clearly grown into a global event.

Ukraine 2022–2023 showed the transformation of the meaning tanks on the battlefield. Military equipment has been repeatedly buried, especially in the West. The British, as unnecessary, reduced the number of the Challenger 2 fleet by a third, but already at the beginning of 2023 they promised Zelensky tanks. Simply because there is no way without them. And do not think that tanks are needed only in the specific conditions of the NWO.

In the West, a similar opinion circulates, they say, the "backward" Russian army is at war with the no less backward Ukrainian army, and therefore tanks are the most combat-ready force here. Norway put the first point in this - on February 3, the authorities announced the purchase of 54 Leopard 2A7 at once. An option has been declared for another 18. It is interesting that around the contract (which has not yet been signed) a lot of copies have been broken.

On the one hand, the opponent of the deal, the Minister of Defense of the Kingdom, Eric Christoffersen, insisted on helicopters as effective anti-tank weapons. The official was impressed by the Ukrainian reports, according to which they have already destroyed the fleet of Russian armored vehicles several times. drones, anti-tank systems and grenade launchers.

Much closer to reality is the head of the operational headquarters of the Norwegian army, Yngve Odlo, who said that there is no alternative to tanks and is not expected in the next 15–20 years. Whether the Norwegian tank rush is a single action or in the near future we will see a real “tank rally” of NATO countries, time will tell. But one thing is clear - despite the obvious vulnerability, it is the tank that provides the most powerful and most effective support for the infantry. Especially given the lack of operational artillery support.

According to this scheme, tanks are used by the most combat-ready formations of the Russian group - PMC "Wagner". A tank assault on well-fortified nationalist positions is now possible only from distances exceeding the effective range of light anti-tank vehicles. The role of the tank as an effective means of breaking through the enemy's defenses has been lost, but it is too early to write off the armored vehicle.


The new armored vehicles of the Russian army will inevitably become heavier and get rid of the ability to swim. For now, this is how they work. Source: t.me/Ugolok_Sitha

The second feature of the conflict was the actual uselessness of active protection systems for armored vehicles. First of all, because of its absence both in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in the Russian army. For a war with guerrilla groups, for example, Israelis with Palestinians, KAZ is suitable. But when the quantity and quality of anti-tank equipment exceeds all reasonable limits, active defense seems like an expensive toy. The funds spent on the development, testing and construction of such products should have been spent on improving passive and dynamic protection.

See how the NVO tanks bristled with DZ blocks. The concept of differentiated booking in the realities of the special operation turned out to be erroneous - an ideal armored vehicle from the sides should be protected only slightly weaker than the frontal projection. It is good that Russian tank builders are aware of this, and the new tanks are equipped with solid onboard remote sensing units. In particular, the updated T-72B1s are richly flavored with dynamic protection. Understand this and in NATO.

The Turks from Roketsan offer additional dynamic armor packages for the Leopard 2A4 and T-72. They assure that they will close the armor from Kornets, Contests, TOW-2A and other tank killers. As soon as more advanced Western vehicles appear on the front line, their turn will come. The axiom is this - now the tank is not suitable for combined arms combat, primarily due to vulnerability, so it has to be used in a new way. A long-range heavily armored sniper rifle capable of destroying entire enemy units is a relatively new role for a tank.

Myths debunked by the special operation


The fighting against the nationalist regime showed that technical superiority does not always guarantee a quick victory. In recent years, the Russian army has firmly taken second place in the world rankings, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been trailing at the end of the third ten. In many ways, this overwhelming superiority was determined by the presence of high-precision weapons and powerful videoconferencing.

The special operation showed that cruise missiles and Iskanders alone cannot turn the tide - this is just an additional force on the battlefield, nothing more. And, most likely, seriously overrated. Let's ask ourselves a rhetorical question. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to reduce the number of "Caliber" by two or three times at the expense of a five-six-fold increase in the fleet of "Geranes" with "Lancets"? Having such a long arm that cruise missiles provide is too costly.


Aviation never became the driving force behind the offensive. Source: t.me/Ugolok_Sitha

With Russian aviation, the situation is perhaps the most paradoxical. One of the strongest air forces in the world is forced to perform auxiliary functions, mainly supporting assault units at the forefront. And this, for example, on the expensive Su-34, designed for completely different conditions. Objects of communication in the depths of the enemy's defenses The Russian Aerospace Forces are currently not able to hit.

Ukraine managed to press our planes to the ground relatively inexpensively. The surviving air defense focal zones, coupled with the constant information support of NATO, allow a lot. At the same time, the enemy has practically no own air force. Russian army aviation, on the contrary, has shown itself to be the main hard worker in the sky of Ukraine. It seems that the Mi-28 and Ka-52 will become the leading hunters of modern NATO tanks.

Tanks are not going to rest, as mentioned above, but it is too early to bury artillery. Some experts considered guns and MLRS to be the dying players of modern warfare. In Russia, practically no work was carried out to improve towed artillery - as a result, one has to fight with frankly overweight and metal-intensive guns. And this is just one of the moments.

With self-propelled vehicles, the situation is not much better. In many ways, the situation on the fronts of spring-summer 2022 was saved by Russian artillery and shells from the Soviet period. It has not yet been possible to reach the level of ammunition consumption of that time. A large-scale reform of domestic artillery should become the main guideline for the post-Ukrainian future.

Engineering troops are getting a second wind. More precisely - fortification art. As it turned out, the layered and well-concreted defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donetsk direction is an extremely hard nut to crack, which Russia has not been able to crack for almost a year. But it plays in the opposite direction. At the moment, engineers in key areas have created a strong line of defense, and since last autumn we have not seen successful offensives by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Big questions arise and to the concept of lightning-fast special operations. We are talking about the use of well-armed and trained special forces and landing units. High-precision weapons and the numerical superiority of the enemy, coupled with the weak "armor" of the special forces, largely eliminates the advantages of the army elite. Infantry again becomes the queen of the fields, but here there are some nuances. HIMARS and other guided enemy weapons have made it very dangerous to use large, localized groups with a high density of forces.

Simply put, it is now almost impossible to create a shock fist to break through the defense. First, it will be tracked by NATO intelligence, and then it will come under concentrated fire from precision weapons. The dispersal of personnel and equipment seems like a way out of the situation, but this requires the coordination of troops on a completely different level. This is also true for the primary tactical units - keeping a distance of at least 15 meters between the fighters has already saved many lives.

Strike actions in dense battle formations will have to be put aside as deadly dangerous. The first to understand this, obviously, were the commanders and fighters of the Wagner PMC, which has already been reflected in the considerable tactical successes of the Russian group. That is why we do not see the enemy's cavalry coverage followed by encirclement - for this we will have to concentrate a lot of equipment and personnel. Squeezing the APU, which some commentators call senseless frontal attacks, is just an example of a new tactic.

The Russian General Staff also took care of the tactics and strategy of future wars. Obviously, taking into account the realities of the special operation in Ukraine. In one of the issues of the military-theoretical journal "Military Thought" a characteristic thought was voiced -

“while maintaining the value of the quantitative ratio of the forces of the opposing sides, its qualitative indicators are shifting from technical parameters to social ones.”

Let's look at the example of an attacking motorized infantry unit. In fact, it is not so important in which model of a combat vehicle a company or battalion goes into battle. On the BMP-2 or BMP-3, on the T-72B3 or T-90M.

By the way, this is why we will not see the latest Armata tanks and Coalition self-propelled guns in the special operation. Much more important "situational awareness, efficiency and rationality of delegating the rights to use weapons, adaptability of control, activity, efficiency, training, coherence and experience of personnel." And here civilian technologies come to the fore, which already provide considerable support to the armies on both sides of the front.

A little about the cost-effectiveness ratio of civil hi-tech. It so happened that the special operation turned into a competition, who will deliver explosives to the enemy further, more and more accurately. Not who will occupy more territories, but who will kill and maim the enemy more. This is not surprising - any static front sooner or later comes to this. Probably the first time in stories modern peaceful technologies have made it possible to reduce the cost and simplify the process as much as possible. For example, consider the American Switchblade 300 kamikaze drone, worth $6.

Relatively inexpensive, I must say. But Ukrainian FPV drones with suspended anti-tank grenades cost just over $350. It is completely pointless to compare the cost and lethal force of these samples - perhaps that is why not a single child has been named after Switchblade in Ukraine.

But the purely civilian Starlink among the nationalists has already been elevated to the category of cult phenomena. And this is also an example of the mimicry of civilian technologies for military needs. notorious "adaptability of management, activity, efficiency, training, coherence and experience of personnel", which is discussed in the publication of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, is impossible without the widespread use of civilian technologies. Often there is simply no time to develop military analogues.

The title contains the idea of ​​an army of the post-Ukrainian future. It remains to be hoped that the Russian army will be the first to absorb all the innovations even before the collapse of the Kyiv regime.
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  1. -13
    12 February 2023 05: 07
    the war in Ukraine showed the complete failure and inability to protect Russia with a small, mercenary, that is, corrupt army.

    Russia needs a massive, truly people's army like the Red Army, motivated to defend the Fatherland not only with money, but with a duty to the Motherland, ancestors and descendants.

    The defense of the Fatherland should become the constitutional duty of all adult citizens of the Russian Federation - men and women, as in Israel.

    Every adult in Russia, regardless of gender and age, must be prepared for the defense of the country.

    It is urgent to adopt a federal law on universal military duty - to introduce compulsory military service for all men for a period of 36 months, for all women - for a period of 18 months.

    A shorter term of military service does not ensure the proper quality of reserve training.

    The number of deferrals from conscription for military service should be reduced to the provisions of the USSR Law of 1967, alternative service should be performed only by persons declared unfit for military service.

    Establish a complete ban on the admission to the state civil service, municipal service and service in law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation, to be elected to legislative bodies of power and to elected positions of the state at all levels of persons who have not completed military service.

    Citizens of the Russian Federation who have served their military service must be entitled to enter, without entrance examinations, for state-funded places in any Russian university of their choice and the opportunity to receive a civilian specialty adjacent to a military specialty during military service.

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation according to the state of peacetime should consist of units of constant, full combat readiness of two million people.

    During martial law, the mobilization system and the reserve, the reserve of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should be adjusted like clockwork in such a way that, in case of military necessity, in two to three weeks, to increase and provide with everything necessary the number of personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation up to five million people.
    1. +5
      12 February 2023 05: 54
      Professionals must fight, warriors in spirit and vocation ...
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        1. +7
          12 February 2023 10: 26
          Yes, we were professionals.

          And this always happens .. I once read that during the Korean War, the Chinese asked not to call them soldiers, but to call them fighters. And they were very offended by the soldiers. They said - we are not fighting for soldo ..

          By the way - in the Red Army, the term soldier was also used very limitedly. Basically, they are also fighters, or Red Army soldiers .. In official documents, soldiers appeared only after the Second World War ..
          1. +7
            12 February 2023 20: 13
            Quote: paul3390
            I once read that during the Korean War, the Chinese asked not to call them soldiers, but to call them fighters. And they were very offended by the soldiers. They said - we are not fighting for soldo ..

            belay Hell, the Chinese rank and file in the 50s of the last century had a level of education! And in history, and in linguistics, and in philology! And most importantly - whom did they ask them not to call them that and in what language ???
            PS. And in between battles, the Chinese peasants apparently discussed Einstein's theory of relativity and the etymology of the word Universal...
            1. +6
              12 February 2023 21: 41
              Quote from U_GOREC
              And in between battles, the Chinese peasants apparently discussed Einstein's theory of relativity and the etymology of the word Universal...


              They had an elementary philosophical education without exception. I'm not kidding.
              The older generation, from early childhood to death, spent their lives in the Confucian system of worldview, and while growing up, young people also received religious and philosophical training in the community. Yes, this is an idealistic religious philosophy and the materialism introduced there was in the most severe conflict with it - but this is much better than the absence of any mental training or primitive shamanism. They may have lacked or insufficient (replenished by training) technical writing skills, but this does not mean that they were not prepared for discussion at a fairly high level. This is generally typical of Asia at the beginning of the 20th century, when high idealistic philosophy and technical illiteracy coexist in the same people - even in the well-known trilogy about the "three-body problem" a similar transitional society is described.
              1. -4
                13 February 2023 13: 54
                Quote: ycuce234-san
                The older generation, from early childhood to death, spent their lives in the Confucian system of worldview, and while growing up, young people also received religious and philosophical training in the community.

                How will life in the Confucian system of worldview give knowledge of European medieval history with such subtleties as the etymology of the word soldier, moreover, in Italian?
                1. 0
                  13 February 2023 21: 57
                  Confucianism gave primary mental preparation - just as it is given to younger students by a circle of mathematics.
                  At the beginning of the 20th century, the Chinese had an educational boom, including history.
                  http://www.profile-edu.ru/razvitie-obrazovaniya-v-kitae-page-28.html

                  The bulk of the students were peasants. A variety of teaching methods were used. Training was mainly carried out after work in the fields and farms in various evening schools, as well as in schools in which part of the time was devoted to work, and part to study; in literacy groups and schools.


                  And the pro-officials who ruled the communities even knew before who the brave guys with allowances in soldo were - the Chinese were still trading with the Venetians and did not know the subject (history was part of the study of traditions) needed by the Chinese pre-revolutionary official to pass the exam for the subsequent obtaining of a place - it was impossible.
                  England liked this system so much that they also began to take similar exams there - in principle, Sherlock Holmes could retire and become an official after passing the exam, provided that he did not harm his health, extremely swimming with the criminal Moriarty in the waterfall ...
                  https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/sistema-gosudarstvennyh-ekzamenov-dlya-chinovnikov-ketszyuy-v-imperatorskom-kitae
        2. -12
          12 February 2023 10: 28
          Or maybe they left knowing the real state of the army and not supporting the fratricidal war?
          1. +13
            12 February 2023 11: 56
            The author touched upon many issues in the article.
            Tanks , artillery , aviation , everyone has their own problems .
            But in modern warfare, it is necessary to closely monitor the location and destruction of the "brain" of the military unit.
            Headquarters destroyed by artillery or rocket deprives this part of the head.
            It's like from a cartoon, but let's cut off the boa's tail.
            Yes , yes , and up to the very neck .
            Therefore, intelligence should be given special attention.
            Whether to hit the decision-making center?
            I don't know, those who sit at the very top should think this.
            1. +17
              12 February 2023 13: 25
              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              Whether to hit the decision-making center?
              I don't know, those who sit at the very top should think this.

              Those who sit at our top gave guarantees to the Israeli prime minister that they would not touch anyone from the Ukrobander elite. Although Israel itself provides military assistance to Ukraine. The absurdity is complete. This is if Stalin, during the war, promised Roosevelt that he would not touch Hitler.
              1. +5
                12 February 2023 13: 30
                Quote: Third District
                gave guarantees to the Israeli prime minister

                And why is Solovyov (Shapiro) the main ideologist? Is it really impossible to find talented ideologues from indigenous peoples?
                1. -2
                  12 February 2023 20: 35
                  Quote: sergeyezhov
                  And why is Solovyov (Shapiro) the main ideologist? Is it really impossible to find talented ideologues from indigenous peoples?

                  Chukchi or what? Why don't you like Solovyov? No, he is certainly not from Birabidzhan ... wassat Well, but a native Muscovite! And native Muscovites are the most indigenous nationality! In Moscow"!!! laughing
              2. +1
                12 February 2023 19: 35
                Quote: Third District
                This is if Stalin, during the war, promised Roosevelt that he would not touch Hitler.

                Sudoplatov in his memoirs hinted that Stalin forbade preparing an assassination attempt on Hitler for fear of von Papen coming to power, on whom his intelligence officers staged an assassination attempt in Turkey. Apparently Putin understands that Russia does not have the resources to destroy the Ukrainian state, as happened with Nazi Germany. Russia is able to demonstrate to Ukraine the danger of the desire to kill Russians, even in the Donbass, even in the Crimea. In this regard, Zelensky throws the nationalists Azov and Kraken to the slaughter in the most bloody places. Russia just needs to exterminate ideological Russophobes and not give them modern iPhones. In any case, after the war, Ukraine will lose a significant proportion of its passionate Slavic population, whose place will be taken by Jews, Tatars, Armenians and Poles. At one time, Stalin, fighting at Khasan and Khalkhin Gol with Japan with a worse loss ratio than Gerasimov is now waging war, forced Japan to attack the USA instead of the USSR. If Putin doesn't want to end up like Gaddafi, then he should give Gerasimov as much as Stalin gave Zhukov compared to the Japanese Imperial Army.
                1. -4
                  12 February 2023 20: 41
                  Quote: gsev
                  Russia is able to demonstrate to Ukraine the danger of the desire to kill Russians

                  wassat Look at the Ukrainian General Staff! What are their last names? Half? Well now maybe a little less... Who are they?
                  Quote: gsev
                  If Putin doesn't want to end up like Gaddafi, then he should give Gerasimov as much as Stalin gave Zhukov compared to the Japanese Imperial Army.

                  What do you mean give?
              3. -7
                12 February 2023 20: 31
                Quote: Third District
                This is if Stalin, during the war, promised Roosevelt that he would not touch Hitler.

                Well ... who is there, what, whom he promised ... XZ ... But something in Nurberg, on the dock there was neither Krupp, nor Ferdinand Porsche, nor Karl Friedrich von Siemens ... nor any of the other sponsors NSDAP, manufacturers of military products and users of the free labor force of prisoners of concentration camps with their subsequent disposal ... Coincidence?
              4. 0
                13 February 2023 17: 31
                Generally agree, but still not entirely correct. The level of Israel and the United States as allies, and the prime minister of Israel and Roosevelt are not comparable
                1. 0
                  15 February 2023 01: 25
                  Quote: Alan81
                  Generally agree, but still not entirely correct.

                  In modern realities, exact analogies will not work. And so there is a similarity, the United States also first provided assistance to Germany.
            2. +6
              12 February 2023 17: 04
              The army is not only technology, as the author of the article believes, but mainly organization and discipline, ideology and way of life, that is, first of all, people.
              1. +3
                12 February 2023 20: 56
                Quote from DefenderofTruth
                The army is not only technology, as the author of the article believes, but mainly organization and discipline, ideology and way of life, that is, first of all, people.

                The army is (must be) a well-oiled machine in which every detail is important. But even the most perfect car ... let's say a car, can be broken by an inept, drunk or stoned driver.
                But technique is important.
                And it so happened that in such types of weapons in which our advantage was considered undeniable, say, in Artillery, we suddenly found ourselves in a completely wild position.
                Our artillery is old. And morally , and especially physically . And we do not have fire of equal range and accuracy. Although there remains an advantage in the number and availability of ammunition. The only artillery system capable of opposing the enemy on equal terms in range is ... the "ghostly" "Coalition", which does not exist. And it is not even audible whether it is launched into a series. For those capacities at which they were obliged to produce were given for the modernization of Msta-S ... Which are also not enough. And our only alternative in terms of range - "Malka", has no guided projectiles and a very low rate of fire.
                The only way out is to deploy the serial production of self-propelled guns "Coalition", and in three forms at once:
                - self-propelled guns of a well-known appearance, which everyone saw at parades,
                - self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis (from those available and in production) - four-axle with a turret from the "Coalition" caterpillar of a known appearance,
                - self-propelled guns on a wheelbase in a turretless version, an analogue of the French "Caesar".
                And if, according to the version with the last of those named, questions may arise, because it is not known whether such work was carried out and whether there is a backlog (but it should be remembered that this should be a replacement for our towed artillery, and not an analogue of the classic self-propelled guns), then with the first two everything is easier - caterpillar already released in a pre-production batch, and a wheeled one with a turret was developed as a coastal artillery mount for the Navy.
                And in no case should the modernization of the remaining Msta-S fleet be stopped, for us today it is "at least something".
                And "Acacia" must be capitalized, because there is never a lot of artillery in a war, especially since the shells for it are different and there are enough of them.
                The question is in the repair facilities that Serdyukov and Shoigu so purposefully bankrupted and sold / liquidated. Perhaps some civilian enterprises with suitable infrastructure should be re-profiled for repair and restoration needs, re-equipped with equipment and machine tools, and REPAIR / restore equipment from storage bases and after the database. Conduct staff training on site. To recruit staff, resort (if necessary) to labor mobilization - when mobilization is carried out at defense industry enterprises. On the agenda!
                It is necessary to establish the production of a combat module for the BMPT-72 and install it on the hulls of those tanks that are impractical to use for their intended purpose - the early models of the T-72 and even the T-55 with the installation of engines from the T-72 (780 l \ s) on them full in stock.
                HEAVY armored personnel carriers - based on tank corps (it is preferable to use the T-64 from storage bases for this), digesting the frontal wedge to the former stern and forming a fairly spacious troop compartment with a convenient ramp or (to simplify and speed up work) a door, under reliable armor with a level tank protection, with side screens and dynamic protection not only for the forehead, but also for the sides.
                In general, it's time to transfer the infantry to highly protected armored vehicles, primarily arming such heavy assault brigades and regiments, as part of motorized rifle and tank divisions. And all the light ... floating, damn it, armored vehicles must be reinforced with additional armor protection and side screens. And let our metallurgical enterprises, which have lost Western markets due to sanctions, take up this, as well as the production of ammunition (artillery shells) in sufficient and excessive quantities for the war.
                And I also agree with the return of the term of military service in 3 years! This is the only way to form a high-quality reserve and have an Army capable of fighting. I remember the recollection of senior officers, when I came to the troops as a young lieutenant, that before the change of service for 2 years, the Army was really professional (in the actual, not the nominal sense of the word) because in the first year of service a fighter only becomes a professional and masters a military specialty, on the second year - consolidates the acquired skills, in the third - this is the AU. “And as the service began at 2 years, then as soon as a fighter reaches the required professional level, he is already preparing for demobilization.
                With the transfer of service for 1 year ... The army completely turned into a "Kindergarten", having lost its combat readiness. And you won’t go far with mercenaries, because they don’t go to the contract out of a desire to fight, but because there is no normal work at the place of residence ... that is, they often go / went to the contract ... losers or from depressed regions. How to work. But don't fight. And that is why so many contract soldiers with the beginning of the SVO wrote a report and quit - they initially decided so for themselves - "If there is a war, I will immediately report and go home." Many of them spoke like that.
                Who built such an army?
                And now we need another.
                1. +2
                  12 February 2023 22: 40
                  "And it so happened that in such types of weapons in which our advantage was considered undeniable, say in Artillery, we suddenly found ourselves in a completely wild situation." - every mistake and crime has a Last Name, First Name and Patronymic ... If for 30 years in a row the state has put hell on R&D and investments in personnel in the development of new ammunition - namely, they largely determine the range and accuracy, then it’s surprising what else what is...
                  1. +1
                    13 February 2023 09: 50
                    They don't need another army. Everything goes according to plan. And this plan, with our desires, does not coincide. There is a completely different vision of the situation. In this vision, there is no enemy, only partners.
                2. +2
                  13 February 2023 19: 15
                  The basis of the army should be a professional contract, and a fighter can be taught how to handle weapons in six months of training in several stages, as in the same Switzerland, if you exclude from the preparation the ideal formation of snow, painting grass, picking up cones with your hands, etc. classes to kill time, according to the principle, I don’t need faster and easier, but I need you to get sick.
            3. -6
              12 February 2023 20: 25
              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              But in modern warfare, it is necessary to closely monitor the location and destruction of the "brain" of the military unit.

              And in the wars of the past, this, apparently, did not matter? So... Friedrich Barbarossa drowned in a river during the Third Crusade... and? Doesn't this have any effect on the campaign?
            4. +1
              12 February 2023 21: 10
              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              But in modern warfare, it is necessary to closely monitor the location and destruction of the "brain" of the military unit.
              Headquarters destroyed by artillery or rocket deprives this part of the head.

              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              Whether to hit the decision-making center?
              I don't know, those who sit at the very top should think this.

              Effective reconnaissance, long-range accurate weapons, well-armed and equipped infantry on modern infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Perhaps this is now the main thing in this war. But everyone was preparing for a thermonuclear war. Russia for sure. The Americans-NATO in recent years have conducted many ground operations. Yugoslavia, Iraq twice, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan. Gained experience in conducting such operations. and developed new technical means for waging such a war. Which was introduced in the war with Russia. Arming and training Vsuk for eight years. And yes, the enemy's decision-making centers in a war must be destroyed first of all. Well, yes, this decision is made at the very top ... What do they think? Xren knows him! angry
          2. Aag
            0
            12 February 2023 15: 01
            Quote: Kronos
            Or maybe they left knowing the real state of the army and not supporting the fratricidal war?

            Here! It seems like one sentence, but two theses!
            I agree with the first.
            With the second, I don’t even ask for a petition: when in Odessa they burned the House of Trade Unions with people, when “the Muscovite is on ...” ...
            Of course ... First of all, there should be questions to our leadership for not recognizing the LPR, DPR ... No need for tales about the unpreparedness of the Armed Forces! The process of decomposition would have been reduced by 8 years!
            Nooo ... Of course, I admit - they did something that neither I nor you - the citizens of the Russian Federation do not know ...
            But where and when to see the result?
            ... REN-TV: "Corruption scandal in the Armed Forces of Ukraine - chicken eggs for the supply of military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were bought for 17 hryvnias, although they cost seven in supermarkets..." belay
            The ruble / hryvnia exchange rate at that time was 1 / 1,99.
            ... further - as you wish ...
            1. -5
              12 February 2023 20: 47
              Quote: AAG
              Here! It seems like one sentence, but two theses!
              I agree with the first.

              How interesting! Well then, following your logic, the entire 58th Army was supposed to scatter in 2008 before reaching the Roki Tunnel ...
          3. +6
            12 February 2023 16: 00
            There is no need for illusions, they are cowards and traitors, so they are gone. No need to justify yourself, you're one of them! Is it true?)))))
            1. +1
              12 February 2023 17: 51
              Dear Andrey! Do I understand correctly that you (unlike your opponent) write from the front?! winked
              1. -7
                12 February 2023 20: 54
                Quote: WFP-1
                Dear Andrey! Do I understand correctly that you (unlike your opponent) write from the front?!

                And where did you get the idea that he is a contractor?
          4. -1
            12 February 2023 20: 21
            Quote: Kronos
            Or maybe they left knowing the real state of the army and not supporting the fratricidal war?

            Well, on the second point, it’s still too bad how it can be pulled ... And the first one? I know that my army is a sheep, so I will not fight "for the Motherland", goodbye! And I took an oath and a charter! So what?
        3. +8
          12 February 2023 11: 56
          should professionals

          Always remember that the Titanic was built by professionals, and Noah's Ark was built by an amateur .. wink
          1. +13
            12 February 2023 13: 20
            I wonder if some Nimitz or Gerald Ford would have been built by amateurs? Maybe they will master at least the Dreadnought?
            1. +8
              12 February 2023 14: 59
              The question is not who can master what, but that you can’t blindly rely on the type of professionals either .. We often stumble upon this in everyday life, let alone global problems ..

              The same army - almost all wars proceed in the same way, at least in our country. First, the vaunted expensive cadre army receives epic stars in a border battle and rolls back .. After that, men are called from civilians, and these steelworkers, plumbers, grain growers, accountants, etc. - first stop the adversary, and then hoist our flag over the ruins of the enemy capital ..

              And now, nothing seems to have changed.
              1. +4
                12 February 2023 18: 24
                It happens in different ways, the example of 1 MB is the most obvious.
              2. -5
                12 February 2023 20: 58
                Quote: paul3390
                First, the vaunted expensive cadre army receives epic stars in a border battle and rolls back .. After that, men are called from civilians, and these steelworkers, plumbers, grain growers, accountants, etc. - first stop the adversary, and then hoist our flag over the ruins of the enemy capital ..

                That is, you are a supporter of the idea that it was the people who won in spite of? And if there weren’t all these professional assholes, they would have smashed everyone at the border right away!
          2. +10
            12 February 2023 16: 15
            Any Titanic can break (about an iceberg, SVO, etc.) its commander
          3. +8
            12 February 2023 19: 35
            Only now the engineer of the amateur ark-builder was God himself)))
          4. +2
            12 February 2023 21: 19
            Quote: paul3390
            should professionals

            Always remember that the Titanic was built by professionals, and Noah's Ark was built by an amateur .. wink

            The civil war was won by workers , peasants , and former soldiers against the professional army of Russia . All these dropouts Budyonny, Chapaev, Frunze, non-professionals Trotsky, Blucher, etc. From eminent generals and officers who went through the First World War.
            1. +3
              12 February 2023 21: 59
              Extremely simplified view. I would immediately name to you a dozen generals of the tsarist army in the service of the Red Army. That war was won by no means only by non-professionals, although their role in this process is also extremely large.
            2. +3
              12 February 2023 22: 28
              Quote: 30 vis
              The civil war was won by workers, peasants, former soldiers from the professional army of Russia

              Half of the officers of the General Staff of the tsarist army in the Civil war fought in the headquarters of the Red Army.
              And in general, the number of tsarist officers in the White and Red armies was almost equal.
            3. -1
              13 February 2023 03: 53
              Quote: 30 vis
              The civil war was won by the workers, peasants, and former soldiers of the professional army of Russia.

              In battle, you need to think with your head, not charters. War is dirty work, and the bourgeois are not used to work. hi
            4. +3
              13 February 2023 11: 08
              Quote: 30 vis
              The civil war was won by workers , peasants , and former soldiers against the professional army of Russia .

              Yeah... and here's one of those ex-soldiers:

              Please love and favor - Quartermaster General of the Headquarters of the armies of the Western Front, Major General Samoilo. During the Civil War - chief and commander of the 6th A (red) and commander of the Eastern Front.
              Leave the stories about the worker-peasant spacecraft from the time of the Civil GlavPUR. That war was really Civil - and even the officer corps of the Empire was divided almost in half.
              As one of the generals of the Civil on another continent said on a similar occasion "when we were told at West Point that we would lead mighty troops into battle, we could not even imagine that we would lead them against each other".
        4. Aag
          0
          12 February 2023 13: 35
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          Yes, we were professionals. And in spirit and calling, etc., etc. ... 50 mortgage runners, a cardboard army was led by a plywood marshal. It was good only at parades that she paced, but when the time came to fight, they put them on military trousers. Who fixed the situation? Volunteers, PMCs and mobiles.

          Were. I agree - critically small. Even considering the reduced strength of the RF Armed Forces. Even - ALL THE MORE!!! I already wrote here about my observations around, - in / the town, - how they were indignant at / next, that this year they would not be able to "have a normal rest" in Turkey (after the tomato "sanctions"). And this is s-you, pr-ki (tsy), - i.e., at least, fuel and lubricants officers, as a maximum, signalmen, secretaries (!) of the Strategic Missile Forces ... Therefore, it’s sad ...
          And 50 is from the sun? Where is the data from? True, I did not track.
          If so, then a serious percentage of the total number of aircraft.
          1. -5
            12 February 2023 21: 00
            Quote: AAG
            as a maximum, signalmen, secretaries (!) Strategic Missile Forces ...

            Secretaries of the Strategic Missile Forces traveling abroad? belay
        5. +17
          12 February 2023 15: 23
          The question is, who will pay the mortgage? And if you return, if you are healthy (which is very unlikely), where to look for work?
          First of all, the state must be social. Not capitalist. It is possible to fight "for ancestors" and other ideological slogans. And eat, excuse me, for what? How to raise children, where to live?
          1. -8
            12 February 2023 19: 16
            Quote: Jager
            And eat, excuse me, for what? How to raise children, where to live?

            So if you don’t go to war and everyone thinks like you, where are you going to raise children and what to eat if you are either dead or a slave? And what kind of mortgage are you going to pay if your city is destroyed?
            The state must have him ... You must protect your land and family, first of all, regardless of the actions of the state ....
            PPC, there are no words from the idiocy of some
          2. -8
            12 February 2023 21: 01
            Quote: Jager
            The question is, who will pay the mortgage?

            I mean who? They make 300k a month...
            1. 0
              13 February 2023 10: 00
              Is this a fact? I do not pretend to be the truth, but in conversations with relatives of the mobilized, this is not confirmed. And the obligation to defend the Motherland should concern all citizens, and not selectively.
              1. -6
                13 February 2023 14: 00
                Quote: Essex62
                I do not pretend to be the truth, but in conversations with relatives of the mobilized, this is not confirmed.

                And you don’t have mobilized people among your friends? Only relatives? Are these wives? lol
                I have a colleague at work, a veteran of the second Chechen war, a sapper, was called up in October ... Everything is confirmed!
        6. +6
          12 February 2023 20: 03
          What kind of "army" is this, where there is no normal communication, means of transmitting information at either the tactical, operational or strategic levels, there is no modern intelligence, again, at all levels - from tactical to strategic, respectively, there is no management at all levels, no analytics, there is no understanding of the need to develop and implement new l / s training programs ..... everything positive that happens in the troops comes at the expense of personal initiative and the help of civil society. This is no longer an army, but a people's militia in its infancy.
        7. 0
          12 February 2023 20: 08
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          50 runners

          In general, the situation seemed moronic to me! In peacetime - you are a contract soldier on a salary, but as soon as the war began - the contract was broken and Alga went home! And what, so it was possible? wassat Nobody foresaw this???
          1. +5
            12 February 2023 20: 27
            In peacetime - you are a contract soldier on a salary, but as soon as the war began - the contract was broken and Alga went home! And what, so it was possible?

            No you can not. But only now the war has not begun, but under the NWO - it is possible. The time is peaceful.
        8. +3
          13 February 2023 01: 06
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          Who fixed the situation? Volunteers, PMCs and mobiles.


          the situation was rectified and held by less than 135 military contract soldiers from the beginning of February to the end of August and liberated the cities of the LPR and the DPR, Kherson, Mariupol, Berdyansk. And all this against the group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine several times superior to them.
          By the way, the basis of PMCs is made up of professional military personnel. But mobs have not yet taken a single city.
          The army should consist of military men who have many years of real combat experience, and this is possible only with a professional army. Other than the mediocre waste of human resources in the form of cannon fodder, in principle, it is incapable of any effective war.
          And it’s unnecessary to nod in the direction of the Second World War, because during the Second World War we put more than 600 thousand Soviet soldiers to liberate Warsaw alone. Of course, someone argues that the USSR restored these population losses in one decade, but this happened because Soviet women gave birth not to one or two, but under a dozen children. And the average age of life was real 60 years and not an exaggerated 78 years as it is now, moreover, this was the age of active old age and not with a duck under the bed.
          1. 0
            13 February 2023 02: 20
            Even in rural areas, most women did not have a dozen children in the 40s and 60s. 600 thousand are those who died during the liberation of all of Poland.
            1. +5
              13 February 2023 06: 52
              Well, how - we now agree to put 600 thousand for the liberation of ALL Ukraine? Do you personally agree to become one of these 600?
      2. +15
        12 February 2023 08: 43
        Only the officer corps should be professional, and everyone should be able to fight, regardless of gender and age.
        Cancel only the draft or make the term of service a year and almost no one in the country, in the event of mobilization, will not be able to know which side to hold a rifle, not to mention more complex weapons.
        That is, an absolutely untrained, helpless and useless reserve.
        Always in the history of mankind, the army of mercenaries lost the wars of the army of patriots (Punic wars of Rome and Carthage, the US War of Independence)
        1. +14
          12 February 2023 09: 35
          Only the officer corps should be professional,

          And the sergeant??
          1. 0
            12 February 2023 13: 04
            Quote: paul3390
            And the sergeant??
            To begin with, I must say, for example, in the army of the Soviet Union there was a sergeant's school, this is actually half a year of training. During the service of 2 years, such sergeants quite coped with their tasks. There was also a school of ensigns, already for extra-long service, no matter how they were called "piece" or "pasta", this army niche was also in demand in the army and coped with its task.

            Probably, it could be done on the basis of military schools and a shortened course for sergeants, in certain specialties in terms of increased combat readiness. But, that's just my personal opinion.
          2. Aag
            +5
            12 February 2023 13: 42
            Quote: paul3390
            Only the officer corps should be professional,

            And the sergeant??

            If I am not mistaken:
            "I and the sergeants command the army" G.K. Zhukov.
            ... You can re-read Irwin Shaw's "Young Lions" to understand the role of a sergeant in the armed forces. Alas, many lieutenants (and above) did not reach this level even in late Soviet times (I know from my own experience to my colleagues ... more, more) ... hi
            1. 0
              13 February 2023 11: 17
              Quote: AAG
              ... You can re-read Irwin Shaw's "Young Lions" to understand the role of a sergeant in the armed forces.

              It must be clarified - in the Western-style aircraft. In which it has historically developed that the officer is a "white bone" and deals exclusively with issues of combat control. And the training of personnel, equipment and other routine tasks fell on the shoulders of professional sergeants - who eventually formed their own parallel structure. And who in their field can put even an officer in his place - remember the famous “gunny” scene in The Pacific, when the sergeant leading the fire training class throws a handful of shells at the lieutenant and curses him for turning around with his weapon. And when the lieutenant tries to turn to the captain, he does not let him say a word - don't look at me lieutenant - gunny is right.
        2. -2
          12 February 2023 11: 37
          Quote from DefenderofTruth
          Always in the history of mankind, the army of mercenaries lost the wars of the army of patriots (Punic wars of Rome and Carthage, the US War of Independence)

          I especially laughed about the war for the independence of the United States, it was not the Americans who then defended their independence, but the French and Russians saved the independence of the United States, and if there weren’t this external force, the limes would have rolled the Yankees into a thin pancake
          about Rome, it’s also past, just the tendency was towards a professional army, and even during the “conscription” period, the term of this was 5-6 years, which in those days was very much
          1. +7
            12 February 2023 16: 22
            At least you don’t say in the USA that they won the War of Independence thanks to Russia. Maybe they don’t hit on the ears, but don’t be dishonored
        3. +8
          12 February 2023 15: 11
          Quote from DefenderofTruth
          Always in the history of mankind, the army of mercenaries lost the war to the army of patriots

          You mixed everything together. There is nothing wrong with a contract army. You say 50 thousand fled. And 500 thousand of mobilization age fled the country.
        4. +6
          12 February 2023 15: 15
          Quote from DefenderofTruth
          Always in the history of mankind, the army of mercenaries lost the wars of the army of patriots (Punic wars of Rome and Carthage, the US War of Independence)
          Well, I won’t say with Carthage, but in the war for the independence of the United States, the British beat and drove the armies of patriots through all the colonies. The War of Independence was won only because the British could not catch up with the rebels before England ran out of money allocated for the war. The King of France, who supported the rebels, lost his head for the same reason (all the loot went to support the USA, the States General convened, the Great French Revolution began).
      3. +22
        12 February 2023 10: 28
        A significant part of these "professionals" (as if not the majority) are ordinary mercenaries who came to the army not to defend their homeland, but to pretend to be defenders for money. For good money - which you will not earn at the factory. Yes, and it is impossible to pretend to be a turner at the factory - you have to BE a turner there.
        But in the peacetime army, it turns out, you can pretend to be a defender, shooting blanks at the firing range and beautifully marching in parades. And escape from the army as soon as your precious life is threatened.
        But without professional mercenaries in the modern army it is impossible - the weapon is too complex, a conscript will not master it in a year. What is the way out? Probably, it is necessary to toughen the consequences for these "professionals" for their refusal to go to war in wartime. And financial consequences, and legal, and moral. I signed a contract - until it expires, you follow all orders and go where you are sent, including to the war. This is your job.
        1. -1
          12 February 2023 11: 35
          Quote: Roman Efremov
          But without professional mercenaries in the modern army it is impossible

          the word mercenary warps, in Russian it carries a rather negative image, the squad of Alexander Nevsky, the same, as it were, "mercenaries"
          1. +1
            12 February 2023 12: 37
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            warps the word mercenary, in Russian it carries a rather negative image

            Vladimir Ivanovich, I personally prefer the word "conscript", but for this the soldier must first serve urgently, show himself, and make his choice. A contractor can immediately join the army, and, to be honest, the main motive will be how much he will be paid.

            As for the mercenaries, they were and will be. There were mercenaries in the service of the Russian princes, the same Scandinavians. In any case, the main criterion will be the personal qualities of the mercenary, how honestly he is ready to work out his contract. The fact that selfish motives more often prevail than the concepts of duty and honor is a separate side of mercenarism.

            I also believe that universal military service (duty) did not appear out of stupidity. Everyone should serve, be prepared to defend the Fatherland, to the best of his strength and abilities, this would also apply to young girls and “white-ticketers”. During a hard time, the medal for defending the country has only two sides, either you are at the front, or you are in the rear and for the front. And, it doesn't matter if you have a white or red military ID. According to this scheme, the constitutional duty must be fulfilled, if you want and you can, you serve urgent 3-5 years (with bonuses and benefits), if you can’t, if you don’t want, you work for the fund of those who really serve, with the obligatory course of a young fighter and knowledge of the basics of civil defense. Contractors only from over-conscripts or by special selection for suitability.

            In addition to all this, it must be said right away that it is not in vain that they say that the army is a mirror of society. For the army to protect the Fatherland, and not the interests of the oligarchs, we need a different social system, with high morality of the creators, and not with the cult of money and the morality of consumers. Also, we are not the States that rob the whole world and print as much of their green candy wrappers as they want, a large contract army costs a lot of money. Therefore, if we talk about reforms, they must begin in politics and morality. One must think that if Russia is saved from the aggression of the "collective West", or, as some people called them "Satanists", we will in any case not survive without a planned economy, a truly people's power, and, accordingly, a people's army.
            1. -2
              12 February 2023 13: 11
              Quote: Per se.
              Contractor, can immediately join the army

              belay
              well it's not quite like that
              1. +2
                12 February 2023 14: 36
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                like not quite
                How is it "not really"? Urgent can be immediately replaced by a contract.
                Citizens who have reached the age of 18, who are not in the reserve of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and who have received higher or secondary vocational education, have the right to conclude a contract for military service.
                Let's not even talk about PMCs, although some, using the Wagner example, generally already see the basis of the new army. Many are not very embarrassed by the fact that convicts are used. Here, however, there is nothing new, in world history this has long been used, even in the USSR, in 1942 and 1943, about 157 thousand prisoners went to the front.

                In general, I am not against contract soldiers and even mercenaries, the point is who will make up the backbone of the army, what will the country have in terms of a trained mobilization reserve. According to the fighting in Chechnya, it was noted that trained "wolf cubs" are often no worse than seasoned "double basses". In Afghanistan, the base was from conscripts. It is clear that it is difficult to imagine "Alpha" from conscripts, and there is no need to interfere with everything in a heap, specialists have been and will be on a separate account, both in the army and in the navy. But, urgent service should be, and only it will allow you to have a trained reserve. What happens with reliance on one cadre army, history has shown more than once.
                1. -5
                  12 February 2023 15: 13
                  Quote: Per se.
                  How is it "not really"? Urgent can be immediately replaced by a contract.

                  What are you? !!
                  here are the mines of defense, it will be surprised
                  • conscripted military personnel who received a higher or secondary vocational education prior to being called up for military service;

                  • conscripted military personnel who have served for at least three months
                  https://contract.mil.ru/enlistment_contract/info.htm
                  1. +1
                    12 February 2023 17: 28
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    What are you? !!
                    here are the mines of defense, it will be surprised

                    Vladimir Ivanovich, maybe I'm "behind the times", but I proceeded from the following information.
                    Who can enlist in the military?
                    • conscripted military personnel who received a higher or secondary vocational education prior to being called up for military service;

                    • conscripted military personnel who have served for at least three months;

                    • citizens in reserve;

                    • male citizens who are not in the reserve and have a higher or secondary vocational education;

                    • female citizens who are not in the reserve;

                    • foreign citizens over the age of 18 legally staying on the territory of the Russian Federation.

                    I will not argue with you, for me the topic of military service is more important. Let only the topic of these three months (although there are more conditions for the contract), they are unlikely to reveal the applicant, as he himself will understand during this time that this is his business - the contract. If not right, sorry.
            2. Aag
              +3
              12 February 2023 14: 42
              Quote: Per se.
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              warps the word mercenary, in Russian it carries a rather negative image

              Vladimir Ivanovich, I personally prefer the word "conscript", but for this the soldier must first serve urgently, show himself, and make his choice. A contractor can immediately join the army, and, to be honest, the main motive will be how much he will be paid.

              As for the mercenaries, they were and will be. There were mercenaries in the service of the Russian princes, the same Scandinavians. In any case, the main criterion will be the personal qualities of the mercenary, how honestly he is ready to work out his contract. The fact that selfish motives more often prevail than the concepts of duty and honor is a separate side of mercenarism.

              I also believe that universal military service (duty) did not appear out of stupidity. Everyone should serve, be prepared to defend the Fatherland, to the best of his strength and abilities, this would also apply to young girls and “white-ticketers”. During a hard time, the medal for defending the country has only two sides, either you are at the front, or you are in the rear and for the front. And, it doesn't matter if you have a white or red military ID. According to this scheme, the constitutional duty must be fulfilled, if you want and you can, you serve urgent 3-5 years (with bonuses and benefits), if you can’t, if you don’t want, you work for the fund of those who really serve, with the obligatory course of a young fighter and knowledge of the basics of civil defense. Contractors only from over-conscripts or by special selection for suitability.

              In addition to all this, it must be said right away that it is not in vain that they say that the army is a mirror of society. For the army to protect the Fatherland, and not the interests of the oligarchs, we need a different social system, with high morality of the creators, and not with the cult of money and the morality of consumers. Also, we are not the States that rob the whole world and print as much of their green candy wrappers as they want, a large contract army costs a lot of money. Therefore, if we talk about reforms, they must begin in politics and morality. One must think that if Russia is saved from the aggression of the "collective West", or, as some people called them "Satanists", we will in any case not survive without a planned economy, a truly people's power, and, accordingly, a people's army.

              Greetings, colleague!
              ... As it is, I address indirectly. And that's why:
              1) Though almost a heretic, - but, - do not make yourself an idol!;
              2) To put marks based only on Nick - low;
              3) As I see it, a partial solution to the problem - to break your comment into separate theses - and you see how many (approximately) colleagues do not agree with you, and, simplify the task of evaluating (well, as an example, - just now I wrote to a friend that I didn’t I agree with his findings...
              Not clearly articulated. In the first sentence. With everything else, I agree. How to be?...
              Let's try to make things easier for each other, shall we?
              hi
              1. +2
                12 February 2023 17: 54
                Quote: AAG
                Let's try to make things easier for each other, shall we?
                I'm not sure, Alexander, that you are addressing me, although you have attached my comment for Vladimir Vasilenko. For "my own market" I can only say that it is easier to understand and evaluate short, unambiguous comments. Alas, sinful, more often it turns out long. I break the text into paragraphs for easier reading.

                You can always find something that is closer or further to your understanding, with which you more agree or disagree. Probably, it is necessary to single out for yourself what is more important, to find a common essence. Many here could say to themselves, - "I am an old soldier and do not know the words of love", this is to the fact that not all of them are philologists, and not at the exam at the dean of the faculty. Therefore, and, are free to express their thoughts as they can. Here, to simplify your task, it’s better for you to do it for yourself, and not for me or anyone else in your comments. Best wishes to you, Alexander.
                1. Aag
                  0
                  13 February 2023 14: 41
                  Quote: Per se.
                  Quote: AAG
                  Let's try to make things easier for each other, shall we?
                  I'm not sure, Alexander, that you are addressing me, although you have attached my comment for Vladimir Vasilenko. For "my own market" I can only say that it is easier to understand and evaluate short, unambiguous comments. Alas, sinful, more often it turns out long. I break the text into paragraphs for easier reading.

                  You can always find something that is closer or further to your understanding, with which you more agree or disagree. Probably, it is necessary to single out for yourself what is more important, to find a common essence. Many here could say to themselves, - "I am an old soldier and do not know the words of love", this is to the fact that not all of them are philologists, and not at the exam at the dean of the faculty. Therefore, and, are free to express their thoughts as they can. Here, to simplify your task, it’s better for you to do it for yourself, and not for me or anyone else in your comments. Best wishes to you, Alexander.

                  I agree.
                  With respect.
        2. +6
          12 February 2023 12: 55
          Quote: Roman Efremov
          Probably, it is necessary to toughen the consequences for these "professionals" for their refusal to go to war in wartime. And financial consequences, and legal, and moral. I signed a contract - until it expires, you follow all orders and go where you are sent, including to the war. This is your job

          In Belarus, if you study at the expense of the state, but do not want to work by distribution, please give back the money spent on your studies by the state. A person becomes restricted to travel abroad and you have to return the money spent by the state on his education. So here, he left the army before the expiration of the contract, please return the mortgage loans and return the money. That will be more honest.
          1. +1
            12 February 2023 13: 42
            So it is so - and they demand to return the money for studies, and pay off the remaining mortgage. It stops someone from breaking the contract, someone does not.
          2. Aag
            +1
            12 February 2023 14: 46
            Quote: cmax
            Quote: Roman Efremov
            Probably, it is necessary to toughen the consequences for these "professionals" for their refusal to go to war in wartime. And financial consequences, and legal, and moral. I signed a contract - until it expires, you follow all orders and go where you are sent, including to the war. This is your job

            In Belarus, if you study at the expense of the state, but do not want to work by distribution, please give back the money spent on your studies by the state. A person becomes restricted to travel abroad and you have to return the money spent by the state on his education. So here, he left the army before the expiration of the contract, please return the mortgage loans and return the money. That will be more honest.

            In general terms, I agree.
            But. For some categories, "return the money" will not be a problem. Yes, and the rule of the golden blat of the late Soviet Union has been preserved.
            But, - in general, - FOR! hi
          3. +2
            12 February 2023 18: 48
            Excuse me, but how do you think the military mortgage works? It is returned even if the contract is terminated, and even if the renewal is refused. The natural option, in which the mortgage will remain yours forever, is service until the age limit. Well, a few force majeure, such as death or dismissal for health reasons.
            Regarding the scheme you described in Belarus, I support it.
        3. +6
          12 February 2023 13: 11
          Are you sure that you will not master if they teach? My father got into training as a simple village boy, and from there he came out as a commander of the control cabin at 75. He learned to solder, understand circuits, lamps. At home, quite effectively, he repaired a tube TV. I don't think it was easy there. Nevertheless.
        4. Aag
          0
          12 February 2023 14: 02
          Quote: Roman Efremov
          A significant part of these "professionals" (as if not the majority) are ordinary mercenaries who came to the army not to defend their homeland, but to pretend to be defenders for money. For good money - which you will not earn at the factory. Yes, and it is impossible to pretend to be a turner at the factory - you have to BE a turner there.
          But in the peacetime army, it turns out, you can pretend to be a defender, shooting blanks at the firing range and beautifully marching in parades. And escape from the army as soon as your precious life is threatened.
          But without professional mercenaries in the modern army it is impossible - the weapon is too complex, a conscript will not master it in a year. What is the way out? Probably, it is necessary to toughen the consequences for these "professionals" for their refusal to go to war in wartime. And financial consequences, and legal, and moral. I signed a contract - until it expires, you follow all orders and go where you are sent, including to the war. This is your job.

          I beg your pardon, - I already raised my finger - to minus you for: "... A significant part of these "professionals" (as if not the majority) are ordinary mercenaries ...".
          For, in my understanding (without touching on the discussion of ethical, ideological problems), a mercenary is a person who performs "military work" in a certain volume, quality, on certain conditions.
          In our - the case under discussion - the conditions, apparently, are not clearly specified (another minus of the Moscow Region), and the "mercenaries" are not mercenaries, but ... - accustomers ....
          From me - a plus.
          I agree with everything you wrote below.
          hi
        5. +5
          12 February 2023 19: 51
          Claims to ordinary contractors are not addressed. It was just that plans were sent down to the commanders from above so that so many conscripts signed up for the contract. And they began to put pressure on the soldiers: "sign a contract, otherwise I'll make you the rest of your service as hell" (and did). Or did they choose guys from poor villages and promised them mountains of gold and that they wouldn’t have to fight anyway, who would attack the nuclear power? Of course, under such a system, not the best became contract soldiers, but, on the contrary, psychologically weak ones. And after the first minimum contract, in most cases they still left the army, because the motivation was zero.

          In this regard, the Western system seems to me successful. There, first, the volunteers go through the local KMB, and according to its results, they themselves decide whether they want to be in the army and only then they voluntarily sign a contract, no one is forced. Well, the army of unfit fighters also weeds out during this period. Moreover, for a long time, the contractor knew for sure that he would definitely get into the war - all landmen at least one deployment were guaranteed to pass through Afghanistan or Iraq. And the recruit put his signature based on this.

          At the same time, I think that if we were attacked "at 4 o'clock in the morning, without declaring war, without presenting any claims," ​​then even these forced contractors would show good stamina. And when just a convoy is driving, and suddenly the road signs are written in the language of the move - then not everyone will figure out what we are fighting for.
      4. +8
        12 February 2023 10: 29
        warriors by spirit and vocation..

        I remember someone rightly remarked that the best fighters come from ordinary men who once returned from work to the ashes of their home ...

        It's not about the type of military spirit, it's about motivation ...
        1. +7
          12 February 2023 11: 05
          That is why not a single war started by Russia of its own choice became Patriotic. And it does not matter at all - what is the system in the country. Think of the Winter War of 1939-40. This is the one that is "unfamous", which was strongly disliked in Soviet times, because there are no reasons for pride there.
          1. +9
            12 February 2023 13: 25
            Quote: UAZ 452
            That is why not a single war started by Russia of its own choice became Patriotic.

            And why should an offensive war become a domestic one? Being the advancing side is good because the enemy is digging in his ruins there, the WHOLE country suffers for him, and in our country everything is quiet, peaceful, calm. Ideally, generally be in the position of the United States. Somewhere on another continent, everything is blazing under our bombs, and we are sitting here and every day we eat hearty and healthy meals, watch movies, walk when we want, and other joys of life. But this is hardly feasible, since we are on the most populated continent. But I see the direction of movement.
          2. -5
            12 February 2023 15: 24
            Quote: UAZ 452
            Think of the Winter War of 1939-40. This is the one that is "unfamous", which was strongly disliked in Soviet times, because there are no reasons for pride there.
            Finally, the liberal myths about the "shameful war" were flooded. The Statue of Liberty illuminates the road for your worker in a "loaf". That's noticeable.
        2. 0
          12 February 2023 18: 50
          A contract army is needed at least in order not to bring each time to the ashes of their homes. And this is one of the reasons why the SVO began - they did not wait.
      5. +2
        12 February 2023 11: 33
        Quote: curvimeter
        Professionals must fight, warriors in spirit and vocation ...

        this is the second extreme, in the event of a real war, we can’t do without a mobilization resource, as it was in the thousand-year history of our country in the past, I think nothing will change in the future
      6. +8
        12 February 2023 12: 35
        In a serious war, these professionals are knocked out in two or three months. Who will continue to fight if there is no reserve that has completed military service? By the way, the Germans noted the absence of experienced soldiers already in the autumn and winter of the 41st. Despite the fact that the army was mobilized and fought for three years.
      7. Aag
        -1
        12 February 2023 13: 11
        Quote: curvimeter
        Professionals must fight, warriors in spirit and vocation ...

        I do not argue ... It would be nice ...
        But! This will never happen (!) as long as there are those who will steal, fatten "... in spirit and vocation ...", in kinship ...
        I hope that the logical chain, if desired, will be built by everyone.
        hi
      8. +1
        13 February 2023 17: 04
        Where are these warriors? Who raised or will educate them? Society as a whole should be ready to defend the state, then from these masses it will be possible to choose those who are ready, not only morally, but also physically, psychologically, and intellectually. And when everyone hopes for some mythical professionals who will come from nowhere and protect them, it turns out like ours. It was considered the second army in the world, but it turned out that the first ten were hardly included.
    2. +40
      12 February 2023 06: 02
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      Russia needs a massive, truly people's army like the Red Army, motivated to defend the Fatherland not only with money, but with a duty to the Motherland, ancestors and descendants.

      The Red Army was Red , that is, she fought for Soviet power and socialism. How will you now motivate people to serve for 3 years? The need to die for Abramovich's income, or Peskov's watch? In order to create an army "like" the Red one, nothing is needed - to change the government and the social system.
      And then the whole point of the army reform was precisely the idea of ​​moving away from the people's, mass army to a small controlled mercenary army. And do you think that the people who are in power and carried out this reform will now themselves begin to change everything in the opposite direction? This will not happen, so your proposals are practically unrealizable.
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      Citizens of the Russian Federation who have completed military service should be entitled to enter without entrance examinations for budget places in any Russian university of their choice

      You even have contradictions within your sentences. After all, all citizens of the Russian Federation will serve according to yours. Then it turns out that 100% of the population will have the right to enroll in any university, and even at their choice.
      100% coverage of the population with higher education, and all study at Moscow State University.....
      1. AAK
        +2
        12 February 2023 06: 59
        Verbalism, colleague, you are not bad, but, as they say, there is a nuance ... Homeland both in a broad sense and in a narrow one - relatives, friends, the place where one was born and much, much more, remains unchanged both under Stalin and Putin, not looking at the "Pinocchio" ... especially when our opponents' task does not change - to destroy everything that is dear to us, colleague Defender is right in many respects, for vitality, you just need to slightly correct individual points ... and as for different values ​​- then under Stalin, more than half a million, as it were, Soviet citizens fought for the Vlasovites alone, not counting even more all sorts of policemen and other traitors and traitors to the Motherland, the main thing is the active position of the people themselves, and not blind yelling under any of the systems
        1. +7
          12 February 2023 09: 32
          Eka, where did you get it .. "The active position of the people themselves" .... In peacetime, the Russian people are silent, as A. S. Pushkin said.

          And successes in wartime in the 21st century, as the author correctly pointed out, are no longer determined only by old cannons pulled out of warehouses and not by folk oak, but by developed civilian technologies .....

          They overslept and drank away their brains and their country. And the rest of the world has come a long way in these decades.

          Even the experience of the Second World War indicated that the initial successes of the Germans were the result of a large number of trucks, motor vehicles and advanced means of communication!
          All the same civilian technologies.

          80 years have passed, so what? Again on the same rake, only with even greater force .... On TV I saw how the major (!) Was awarded for risking his life, connecting broken wires ...
          1. +1
            12 February 2023 12: 40
            Well, then, the German invasion army had 400 thousand horses, so not just trucks. And the state of automatic weapons in the Red Army was three times more than the Germans.
        2. +24
          12 February 2023 09: 40
          remains unchanged under Stalin and Putin, despite the "Pinocchio" ... especially when our opponents' task does not change - to destroy everything that is dear to us

          Yes - but under Stalin, both the Soviet elite and its children fought for this Motherland. And she died in this war. And now? Profits are received by one, and others should perish?

          You know, everything that was dear to me personally was destroyed by those who are in power with us now .. What they did to my country - not every invader would have thought of .. So ..
        3. +2
          12 February 2023 11: 42
          Quote: AAK
          more than half a million, as it were, Soviet citizens fought for the Vlasovites alone

          actually 4-5 times less
        4. +6
          12 February 2023 12: 28
          And the children of the deputies, who, by the way, are elected by the people, do not need to go to war? They don't want to fight for the tram? If not, then all that you said is chatter
          1. +4
            12 February 2023 17: 26
            Quote: Zefr
            And the children of the deputies, who, by the way, are elected by the people, do not need to go to war? They don't want to fight for the tram? If not, then all that you said is chatter

            The people are not holy either. The elite is the result of selection in society. Chiefs are those whom the people perceive as chiefs.

            And if the people's deputies in October 1993 were under fire from tanks and the people later recognized both the Constitution of Yeltsin and himself again, do you think these deputies had, after all, the desire to protect the interests of such a people?
        5. +3
          12 February 2023 14: 51
          Quote: AAK
          The motherland, both in a broad sense and in a narrow one - relatives, friends, the place where one was born and much, much more, remains unchanged both under Stalin and under Putin, regardless of the "Pinocchio" ... especially when our opponents' task does not change - destroy everything that is dear to us

          A very common illusion. Motherland is not an abstract concept hanging in a vacuum. This concept is vital, depending on time, worldview and all social reality. And it changes over time.
          For example, a person was born in the Donbass, say, in 1975, he speaks, of course, in Russian .. And what kind of homeland will he have? USSR where he was born and raised. Maidan Ukraine, which is now his formal homeland (and which is the absolute enemy of the USSR), Russia, to which he belongs culturally and ethnically, or Donbass? Or will he immediately have 4 Motherlands, and even warring among themselves? And where is the immutability of the Motherland about which you write?
          Quote: AAK
          colleague Defender is right in many respects

          Partly right, but it does not matter. We are adults and if we want to talk seriously, then we need to talk about what is really possible, albeit in the future.
          His proposals under the current government are simply not feasible. In practice, you need to talk either about how to change the current government in the Russian Federation and only after that you can discuss the effectiveness of his proposals, or about what kind of army is possible in the Russian Federation with this government if we believe that it is not necessary or impossible to change it.
        6. -2
          13 February 2023 12: 10
          Quote: AAK
          The motherland, both in a broad sense and in a narrow one - relatives, friends, the place where one was born and much, much more, remains unchanged both under Stalin and under Putin, regardless of the "Pinocchio" ... especially when our opponents' task does not change - destroy everything that is dear to us
          They work according to the training manual of the times of the 1st World War, where the homeland is a relative concept, as is gender now. No otourologist can help here.
      2. +1
        12 February 2023 07: 36
        You rightly noticed how to motivate our fighters? Mortgages and salaries did not work out very well. Right at the very beginning, the army lost a lot of "five hundredths". will it be with our army? I won’t vang, first we need to win.
        1. +12
          12 February 2023 08: 47
          Army of Russia of the post-Ukrainian future -

          — I don't know what it will be. But I will list the principles and forces of the formation of the Army after the coup in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, adjusted for today

          - Russia is a capitalist country without a state ideology - obviously YES. An integral part of the international security system and the world community - obviously NO (significantly isolated and under sanctions by the leading economies of the world. ... Russia is becoming handshake in Europe, North America, Australia and parts of Asia and Africa, and continues to lose influence and fellow travelers (not to mention allies and supporters) in the world.

          —- A direct military conflict with the Main Adversary without the use of nuclear weapons was considered fundamentally improbable... However, the dynamics of the NMD indicates the likelihood of a war with limited means with the Main Adversary (USA; forbid and save!) On the territory of a third country, Ukraine - developing into a war with the GP step by step .. So, a war with a GP without nuclear weapons is probably YES.

          —-Russia cannot afford to maintain a Soviet-era Army. And in the new geopolitical realities - there is no need for this .... NWO showed the need for a large Army. A professional Army is unable to provide the necessary level of security in a war with a country that is FULLY supported by the West. ... It turned out (as the President said) that there are no limits on money for a large Army, but there are other critical limitations: there is no industrial and engineering basis for a powerful military-industrial complex, demographic limitations are obvious.
          ------------
          EVENTUALLY:
          —-In the context of capitalist Russia without a dominant ideology, it is necessary and possible to increase the size of the Army by more than the “1,5 million plan”. It will probably be necessary to call up girls and increase the term of service to 18 months.

          —- The economy of capitalist Russia can be adjusted (NOT RESTRUCTED) on a war footing. The result will be better than “…squadron 35, 34, 30… per year…” But qualitatively this is not enough to make up for losses and accumulate reserves… to provide a large WME Army.

          —-The direct costs of the SVO before the mobilization of October, cost about $ 2-3 billion / month (with the replenishment of weapons and military equipment). And $4-6 billion/month from January. About 50-70 billion $/year. Comparable to what the West spends on the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Where to get money for a long-term war?

          - NWO is not a people's war. They feast in the capitals. “..Professionals, mobilized and Prigozhinites are fighting ... somewhere out there, beyond the Moscow Ring Road and New Moscow ..”, and their relatives across the miles and miles of Russia. In the modern capitalist, unprincipled statehood, the war will not become popular (failures did not affect the very existence of Russia (save and save)).

          —-The post-Ukrainian Army cannot be the result of fundamental changes without changes in Russian society and statehood. They are impossible and unlikely.
          1. +3
            12 February 2023 12: 58
            Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
            —- Russia is capitalist country

            In this you are mistaken. The state controls approximately 55% of the Russian economy i.e. this is what happened under the USSR. The presence of oligarchs does not say anything about capitalism.
            Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
            a country without a state ideology-obviously YES.

            But this already follows from the first. It is not yet capitalism, but it is no longer socialism, there must be a preponderance in any of the parties, then ideology will appear. Well, everything else that you wrote stems from autocracy.
          2. -3
            12 February 2023 19: 39
            Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
            The direct costs of the SVO before the mobilization of October, cost about $ 2-3 billion / month (with the replenishment of weapons and military equipment). And $4-6 billion/month from January. About 50-70 billion $/year. Comparable to what the West spends on the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Where to get money for a long-term war?

            And where did you get the numbers from, is it possible to link to the calculations, but you don’t have to nod to the calculations of Western "experts". I'm of faith 0
          3. +3
            12 February 2023 20: 06
            Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
            - Russia is a capitalist country without a state ideology - obviously YES.


            Capitalist - yes. Without a state ideology? Here it is not. Corporativism (denial of class contradictions and imposition of "common interests" of the people and the oligarchy), the struggle against liberalism and communism at the same time (let the grandmothers with red flags not be embarrassed, Lenin is still accused of all sins up to responsibility for the Maidan), religiosity and conservatism, cult a strong state and an infallible leader - does this not resemble the ideas of one bald Italian with a powerful jaw? By the way, he was very fond of the philosopher Ilyin, whom one prominent fighter against fascism now quotes on any occasion.
        2. +8
          12 February 2023 09: 04
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          ... to start win necessary.

          That's it! Problems are being talked about everywhere, the future is unsteady, there is no unity and no goals. The system is aimed only at self-preservation, 2023 will be decisive.
          1. +8
            12 February 2023 10: 35
            Do not forget, this "self-preservation" has no signs of nationality, s-but, it is not viable.
            Otherwise, how do you define the behavior of the Russian oligarchy, which has been continuously supplying the Ukrainian army since 2014 to the present day with oil products through Bulgaria and Slovakia and is still receiving YOUR profit for this
        3. +15
          12 February 2023 10: 42
          Excuse me, but I doubt very much that the Wagnerites are the most effective force in the NWO. What is the most hyped, yes, I agree.
        4. -1
          13 February 2023 12: 39
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          how to motivate our fighters? Mortgages and salaries ...
          You do not pull your motives on the fighters. What motivated the fighter with whom you cover up your activity on the avatar? Was he a mercenary, or was he given a mortgage for the capture of Berlin? Or do you want to impress the Russian reader that he has no homeland? Bayonets in the ground and fraternize with the Ukrainian proletarians in satanic tattoos?
      3. +3
        12 February 2023 10: 04
        The universal higher is, of course, the reproduction of idiocy in the highest degree.
        Universities such as Moscow State University, Moscow State Technical University, NSU, NGTU, PhysTech, MEPhI (i.e. universities engaged in the reproduction of scientists and other specialized high-design personnel (usually in megaton cities)) the country needs no more than fifty with the same fifty as well and passing score in entrance exams.
        All losers should go only to secondary schools, i.e. to technical schools and if they later find in themselves the need to increase the degree of education, then a person can continue their education if they have all positive marks on the insert about all the basic disciplines of the technical school.
        And of course, NO training for paying B and MTR. Payment can only be accepted for tuition at preparatory courses at universities, and then only if there is a break between obtaining a certificate and the date of admission to the university.
      4. +5
        12 February 2023 10: 51
        More like the Red Army, we will not see, if not happen, a change in formation, but we will be content with what we have. The author points out the uselessness of the KAZ, and the weakness of aviation, or maybe the VKS is controlled by such "geniuses" that they cannot use aviation for its intended purpose. if we had hit air defense systems at the beginning of the NMD, then we would have won "Supremacy in the air", and there would have been no deliveries of Western weapons to Ukraine
        1. +4
          12 February 2023 11: 04
          Aviation is not weak - aviation is expensive, there are few flyers.
          That's all.
          1. +3
            12 February 2023 11: 18
            Yes, this is a difficult dilemma; we don’t have such a number of aircraft and flyers as the number of NATO countries have, it was necessary to develop and improve the number and quality of the fleet. But in fact, at the beginning of February 24, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not have such a number of air defense systems as they have now, it had to be destroyed first. And how many lives were saved then at the queen of the fields, and in other branches of the military.
        2. +5
          12 February 2023 12: 52
          It is not that simple. Air defense systems like S-300 can be taken out (although it is difficult due to the active support of Western tracking equipment). But the same West flooded Ukraine with Stingers, etc. That is, it is impossible to bomb from low altitudes, and we have very few high-precision bombs from high altitudes. Plus, the loss of even one aircraft is critical, because in 2022 only 18 new aircraft were transferred to the troops. Yes, and there are no pilots, at least 10 flight schools have been liquidated.
          Something like this.
          1. +2
            12 February 2023 15: 50
            This is precisely the problem, that no one did anything, only the appearance was done. And now we are fighting the old fashioned way, afraid to use aviation. I don’t know how it is now, but when I looked about the war in Ossetia in 2008, there were from 1-2% precision bombs.
        3. Aag
          +3
          12 February 2023 17: 35
          Quote: Mol_18
          More like the Red Army, we will not see, if not happen, a change in formation, but we will be content with what we have. The author points out the uselessness of the KAZ, and the weakness of aviation, or maybe the VKS is controlled by such "geniuses" that they cannot use aviation for its intended purpose. if we had hit air defense systems at the beginning of the NMD, then we would have won "Supremacy in the air", and there would have been no deliveries of Western weapons to Ukraine

          Maybe, from the point of view of a simple layman, unprofessional, stupid ... But, COMPLETELY FOUNDED !!: why did a person (Man) pay taxes (indirectly, or, as you like), to the State, is one of the main
          functions - protection of a citizen in the Russian Federation, so that later they would demand children from him, for that very "function" "...
          And, they asked for MORE funds not only for sick children, but for conditionally healthy men who were forced to "support the pants" of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, promoted everywhere ...
          I'll just remind K. Prutkov: "If you remember about patriotism, then you've got to be quick..." Close to the text.
          1. -2
            12 February 2023 19: 56
            Quote: AAG
            But, COMPLETELY FOUNDED!!: why did a person (Man) pay taxes (indirectly, or, as you like), to the State, is one of the main
            functions - protection of a citizen in the Russian Federation, so that later they would demand children from him, for that very "function" "...

            How interesting is the interpretation of tax payments in our country. And who, excuse me, should protect you if you don’t go yourself and don’t want to let your children (brothers, fathers, etc.) go? Who are these creatures who, for money from taxes, must protect the citizens of the Russian Federation, if the citizens of the Russian Federation themselves do not want to join the army, to defend their country? Remember the fate of the Roman Empire? They also believed that other peoples would die for money for them.
          2. +1
            12 February 2023 20: 10
            why did a person (Man) pay taxes (indirectly, or, as you like), to the State - one of the main
            functions - protection of a citizen in the Russian Federation, so that later they would demand children from him, for that very "function" "...
            , so we have been told for the last 30 years, the state does not owe you anything, but here you imagine, it turns out that we have become necessary to each other.
            Only if you remember all their words addressed to the people: There is no money, but you hold on; Rogozin project of flight to the Moon in 2020 and everything else that connects it with Roscosmos; Serdyukov's reform of the army, which in fact became a real sabotage, colossal sums of money were poured into it, and then "a fiddle with butter, Shoigu has already gone to the Ministry of Defense for 11 years, and the Armed Forces were left with the same problems that we had in Chechnya: connection ", coordination of actions and coherence between different branches of the military. The school began to provide a service, not knowledge, Universities began to engage in commerce in the truest sense of the word. And then it turned out that he owed something to someone, although for the last 30 years we have been taught something completely different.
      5. 0
        12 February 2023 12: 59
        The Red Army was Red

        She was also a worker-peasant .. And her fighters - they understood very clearly what they should fight for and what they should die for .. In addition, it could not even occur to anyone that our then leaders were capable of leading during the war negotiations with the enemy for the sake of the interests of your wallet ..
        1. +1
          12 February 2023 13: 50
          In 1941, the presence of a state ideology did not prevent the Germans from taking millions of prisoners. And in the ROA and other formations, hundreds of thousands of Soviet citizens served the Germans, and not even counting the inhabitants of the territories annexed in 1939-40, that is, without the Balts and Western Ukrainians. So do not replace historical reality with its sleek image from textbooks edited dozens of times.
        2. 0
          12 February 2023 17: 15
          The Red Army during the hostilities in Ukraine had no problems in the form of grain deals, humanitarian corridors and ammonia pipelines
      6. +1
        12 February 2023 13: 17
        How will you now motivate people to serve for 3 years? The need to die for Abramovich's income

        You do not understand what an army is, they know how to motivate there.
        1. +3
          12 February 2023 13: 51
          Seriously? And where then so many 500's? Or not motivated?
    3. +6
      12 February 2023 09: 27
      Without ideological preparation, which was to be carried out for years, the Red Army 2.0,3.0 does not make sense. Since February 2022, the "army" has left Russia, which says a lot.
    4. AUL
      +2
      12 February 2023 10: 37
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      Citizens of the Russian Federation who have completed military service should be entitled to enter without entrance examinations for budget places in any Russian university of their choice

      So if EVERYONE served, then accept everyone without exams?
      In general, the thoughts are correct, but very naive! smile
    5. +10
      12 February 2023 10: 48
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      the war in Ukraine showed the complete failure and inability to protect Russia with a small, mercenary, that is, corrupt army.

      Right. The only reason is the lack of adequate command of these troops. As a result, the lack of modern means of reconnaissance, communications and control, therefore, the inability to fight in small groups. Artillery at the level of the 60-70s, aviation at the level of the 70-80s - here the absence of high-precision mass weapons was added. Accordingly, there is no support for these groups. Drones were toys for the military command, nightlights and thermal imagers were only for special forces, mainly at the expense of sponsors. Armored vehicles are generally something with something, if tanks are relevant for the 80-90s, then BMP / BTR is 60-70 years.

      In general, they tried to fight with the army of 1981 in 2022. Of course, it is possible against slippers, but with an army that at least has a modern connection and at least a few modern strike systems, no.
      1. -2
        12 February 2023 11: 11
        Quote from cold wind
        In general, they tried to fight with the army of 1981 in 2022.

        In the video, the army of Afghanistan and the First Chechen. So, by the way.
    6. +8
      12 February 2023 10: 59
      Every adult in Russia, regardless of gender and age, must be prepared for the defense of the country.

      You're the first!!! Gatherings for 2 months once a year to keep combat skills up to date. Will the state pay you the salary? And what for such an employee who is absent for 2 months a year, and the workplace (and maybe the RFP) must be preserved.
      Citizens of the Russian Federation who have completed military service should be entitled to enter without entrance examinations for budget places in any Russian university of their choice

      I have already written here and will repeat again. Is studying at a university a privilege, a right or a duty?
      Okay, we are enrolling a former serviceman who wanted a "tower" for a budget place. And he will pull at least the first course? I doubt it, but at the same time he will close the path to knowledge to those who have not served, but can pull it off (in short, "botany"). Will the country be better for it?
      In the 20s and 30s, they already did this, they enrolled workers "from the machine" to universities. I had to introduce workers' faculties in order to at least somehow prepare the people for training. In the end, remember the "target sets".
      I remember recently there was a decree by Putin about how, within 10% of the places, to enroll participants in the SVO and the children of dead soldiers in universities. Let's see how it will be carried out in practice, pitfalls to the fig.
      1. +6
        12 February 2023 11: 31
        I agree with you, well, and another small addition, and when he studies (well, purely hypothetically), who will feed and water him? It is unlikely that it will be possible to combine study and work (food couriers, not an option).
    7. +1
      12 February 2023 11: 31
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      the war in Ukraine showed the complete failure and inability to protect Russia with a small, mercenary, that is, corrupt army.

      everything is mixed together, firstly, the professional backbone of the army is not mercenaries, but a crystallization point in case of war, secondly, this is the force that will give time to deploy a mob resource, and thirdly, you offended the ENTIRE officer corps
      1. -3
        12 February 2023 13: 52
        Mercenaries are the introduction of commercial relations into the army, when military service is determined solely by selfish gain, and not by oath.
        As soon as a real threat to life and health appeared due to being sent to the theater of operations, we immediately terminate the contract.
        It shouldn't be like this - the oath to defend the Motherland should be higher than any contract and there should be a ban on unilateral termination of the contract before reaching the age of 60.
        1. +3
          12 February 2023 14: 34
          59-year-old sniper, grenade launcher... Damn, I want grass like yours too!
        2. +2
          12 February 2023 15: 17
          Quote from DefenderofTruth
          Mercenaries are the introduction of commercial relations into the army, when military service is determined solely by selfish gain, and not by oath.

          rare nonsense
          you generally know that even in the USSR there were contract soldiers, and the officers, as it were, were 100% on salary
          Quote from DefenderofTruth
          there should be a ban on unilateral termination of the contract before reaching the age of 60

          and still allow to beat the face fool
          you don’t want to introduce serfdom, well, no matter who bucks at all
      2. +1
        12 February 2023 19: 15
        So that was precisely the purpose of writing!
    8. +10
      12 February 2023 13: 00
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      retired military service citizens of the Russian Federation should receive the right to enter without entrance exams for budget places in any Russian university of their choice
      - notable propaganda ...
      Aren't you afraid that universities will be clogged with old du.rakami?
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      men for a period of 36 months, for all women - for a period of 18 months.

      A shorter term of military service does not ensure the proper quality of reserve training.

      And it's a masterpiece...
      In the SA, in the Serdan training school, we taught our sound-metric intelligence complex - a week !!!!!!!
      For the remaining six months, we yelled songs, ran and fell down "Flash on the left - tanks on the right!!". Everything ...
      In part, the complex has not been deployed even once in a year and a half.
      Thus, all 2 years of service in the SA can be added up in about 4 months. And I also added the KMB here and the field exit ...
      Everything else to REAL service had nothing to do with it.
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation according to the state of peacetime should consist of units of constant, full combat readiness of two million people.

      It was this army that was one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR
      1. +3
        12 February 2023 15: 19
        The Soviet Army even in 1990 consisted of 4 million people, if anything.
        And the army of the Russian Federation is essentially a small expeditionary mercenary corps, a kind of PMC, and unlike the Red Army of the USSR, it is completely incapable of conducting wide and deep strategic offensive operations, a large-scale air offensive that would have done Ukraine in just six months with all the indirect assistance from NATO so far , the army of the Russian Federation is only capable of local battles, of an offensive of 3 meters a year, which is what we are seeing now in the Donbass.
        Compare the scale of operations of the Red Army in 1943 - 1944 and the scale of the NWO:

        1. +3
          12 February 2023 19: 44
          And modern Russia (not the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but the country) is now ready to lose more than 20 million people? If not, then it is worth leaving the historical battles of history.
          1. -6
            12 February 2023 20: 26
            And where will anyone go if NATO directly enters the war?
          2. +1
            12 February 2023 21: 25
            Quote: UAZ 452
            And modern Russia (not the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but the country) is now ready to lose more than 20 million people? If not, then it is worth leaving the historical battles of history.

            what about 20 million?
            firstly, the MILITARY losses of the USSR amounted to no more than 20 million
            secondly, Ukraine is definitely not the third Reich
            1. +3
              13 February 2023 06: 57
              Oh how! That is, we are still not at war with all Nata, but still with Ukraine alone? And now not only the military, but also civilians are dying, during the shelling of the same Donetsk. And if they hit more intensively on our other territory, then civilian losses will increase. Or are only those who died in uniform important? Civilizations don't count? And how much were the military losses of the USSR in the Second World War? More than 8 million like? Well, yes - not 20. That is, will today's Russian Federation survive such?
        2. +1
          13 February 2023 17: 17
          Quote from DefenderofTruth
          unlike the Red Army, the USSR is completely incapable of conducting broad and deep strategic offensive operations,

          Quote from DefenderofTruth
          Compare the scale of operations of the Red Army in 1943 - 1944 and the scale of the NWO:

          Roll back 2 years to 01.07.1941/200/000 and you will be surprised to see that the same spacecraft was suddenly banged up and 10 total losses near Minsk in XNUMX days of the war ...
          Yes, all types of "Great KA commanders" (except Rokosovsky) - would shoot if they were put in the current conditions: cities cannot be demolished, civilians cannot be bombed, 500s - which cannot be shot on the spot, well, in terms of losses - KA could afford 8 000 (average) total losses per DAY..
      2. +3
        12 February 2023 18: 49
        1. In the SA it was different - ZGV, special forces, etc. But it could be reduced by 3 times, especially the fleet, which was an expensive and unnecessary toy. 2. The army is a copy of society, and in 1991\93 there was no one who would break the gates in the Kremlin with the forces of their division/brigade. It was all the same to everyone as in society (to talk and disperse).
    9. +4
      12 February 2023 13: 56
      A man cooked all his own or shifted papers, but without exams to enter the institute? Only the presence of a government award, moreover, a military one, should give such a benefit.
      1. kaa
        0
        13 February 2023 10: 48
        Another innovator genius. Will your order bearer perform a feat on an empty stomach, or with homemade pies?
    10. +7
      12 February 2023 13: 58
      Three years to paint fences? Maybe work out training algorithms for six/eight months, and then for training camps every three/five years?
    11. +2
      12 February 2023 14: 11
      According to the peacetime staff, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation should consist of units of constant, full combat readiness, numbering two million man of personnel.

      -- least. In the USSR, having allies, we had an armed forces of 3 million.
      1. +5
        12 February 2023 14: 35
        Did this army help the USSR a lot? How is he doing there now?
      2. +3
        12 February 2023 15: 23
        in the army of the USSR: 4 people. for 258 (000st place in the world)
        Reserve: 75 people
        Budget: $319 billion for 1988. (1st place in the world) (CIA data).
        Percentage of GNP - 12,9%
        1. +2
          12 February 2023 19: 46
          And in 1991, the USSR was gone. Neither the largest army nor the gigantic expenses for it helped.
        2. +1
          18 February 2023 10: 20
          More than 4-5% of GDP for the army begins to have a bad effect on the economy and people's lives. 10-15% stupidity and a reason to change the political system.
      3. +1
        12 February 2023 18: 52
        Or maybe go the way of quality? No one will fight with the country, realizing that in 24 hours, regardless of the consequences, something with nuclear warheads will fly to him.
        1. +1
          12 February 2023 21: 11
          So why has Ukraine not capitulated yet, since we have nuclear weapons?
    12. +4
      12 February 2023 15: 09
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      It is urgent to adopt a federal law on universal military duty - to introduce compulsory military service for all men for a period of 36 months, for all women - for a period of 18 months.

      A shorter term of military service does not ensure the proper quality of reserve training.
      Why do you suddenly women learn military science 2 times better than men? Where will you place such an abyss of people and who will teach them? And why not immediately 10 years, what are you going to teach for 36 months from what will not be firmly forgotten in a couple of years in civilian life? There are still a lot of questions here, but God bless them.
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      Establish a complete ban on the admission to the state civil service, municipal service and service in law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation, to be elected to legislative bodies of power and to elected positions of the state at all levels of persons who have not completed military service.
      For 98 percent of the population, it doesn't matter, they don't care to get into deputies or high officials. But in order to spoil the majors, it’s good, the main thing is that the court units with the service of the house should not be created for them.
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      Citizens of the Russian Federation who have completed military service should be entitled to enter without entrance examinations for budget places in any Russian university of their choice
      Well, everyone will rush to Moscow State University and MGIMO, how will you place them there?
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      the opportunity to receive during military service a civilian specialty adjacent to a military specialty.
      Tell me, what civilian specialty is adjacent to the VUS motorized rifle or artilleryman?

      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation according to the state of peacetime should consist of units of constant, full combat readiness of two million people.

      During martial law, the mobilization system and the reserve, the reserve of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should be adjusted like clockwork in such a way that, in case of military necessity, in two to three weeks, to increase and provide with everything necessary the number of personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation up to five million people.
      Yeah, and take them all into space, and from there fall on the enemy! Dream so dream!
      1. 0
        12 February 2023 19: 44
        You can do it like in the IDF:
        the term of military service for men is 30 months, for women - 24 months (2 years).
        And while Israel is not a socialist country at all, but the most capitalist!
    13. +4
      12 February 2023 17: 00
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      the war in Ukraine showed the complete failure and inability to protect Russia with a small, mercenary, that is, corrupt army.

      Russia needs a massive, truly people's army like the Red Army, motivated to defend the Fatherland not only with money, but with a duty to the Motherland, ancestors and descendants.

      The defense of the Fatherland should become the constitutional duty of all adult citizens of the Russian Federation - men and women, as in Israel.

      Every adult in Russia, regardless of gender and age, must be prepared for the defense of the country.

      It is urgent to adopt a federal law on universal military duty - to introduce compulsory military service for all men for a period of 36 months, for all women - for a period of 18 months.

      A shorter term of military service does not ensure the proper quality of reserve training.

      The number of deferrals from conscription for military service should be reduced to the provisions of the USSR Law of 1967, alternative service should be performed only by persons declared unfit for military service.

      Establish a complete ban on the admission to the state civil service, municipal service and service in law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation, to be elected to legislative bodies of power and to elected positions of the state at all levels of persons who have not completed military service.

      Citizens of the Russian Federation who have served their military service must be entitled to enter, without entrance examinations, for state-funded places in any Russian university of their choice and the opportunity to receive a civilian specialty adjacent to a military specialty during military service.

      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation according to the state of peacetime should consist of units of constant, full combat readiness of two million people.

      During martial law, the mobilization system and the reserve, the reserve of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should be adjusted like clockwork in such a way that, in case of military necessity, in two to three weeks, to increase and provide with everything necessary the number of personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation up to five million people.


      What nonsense.
      The special operation proved just that it is a professional army with high technology that is the key to success and not at all a couple of million dudes with Kalash.
      The problem is that both at the top level and at the level of commentators there are a lot of idiots who cannot add two plus two.
      The key to victory in this war: drones, satellite reconnaissance and long-range precision artillery. Moreover, all this was clear to smart people 10 years ago, and after the start of the SVO, it became quite obvious.
      But things are there.
      1. +2
        12 February 2023 18: 55
        For this it is necessary to develop science, economy, industry, education. And this is not our way (the energy superpower still steers).
    14. +2
      12 February 2023 17: 49
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      Russia needs a massive, truly people's army like the Red Army, motivated to defend the Fatherland not only with money, but with a duty to the Motherland, ancestors and descendants
      Wonderful proposals, but there is a question from the audience: will the Fatherland / state also be popular or how will it turn out? winked
      It is urgent to pass a federal law on universal military duty - to introduce compulsory military service for all men for a period of 36 months, for all women - for a period of 18 months
      Fine, but again there is a question from the audience: what part of the time will be allocated for digging ditches, burying cigarette butts, loading / unloading firewood / coal / cement, painting everything necessary and impossible, building military sheds using a household method and, of course, drill? winked
      And yes, mastering the weapons of yesterday / the day before yesterday? winked
    15. +6
      12 February 2023 17: 53
      and someone attacked Russia, or did I miss something?
    16. +5
      12 February 2023 17: 53
      I'm bastard from you))) How could such a thing appear in your language. Your corrupt Army, in your opinion, was defeated not because it was corrupt in your head, but not because it was sprayed all over Ukraine and beaten in columns on the march, and did not give the opportunity to gain a foothold by striking at bridges, barracks, supplies and at the places of deployment of the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine until they are dispersed))). The management HAD ANOTHER TERRIBLE, and your corrupt Army is to blame))))) That is, all those who died with you, who followed the order, are salesmen ??? In your opinion, it was necessary for the People's Army, that is, to throw the conscripts and they would have killed ????))))))
      As for the service life, it’s generally tryndets, do you want to polish people for 3 years, essentially children, destroying their brains, when the whole world is trying to educate the next generation at this time ?? good luck to you .
      3 years of hazing and you don’t need to drag in rose-colored glasses for what they say, there are officers, the elite will not be allowed, and what will be there, then there will be another army. Go out into the yard and look at future soldiers))) what they are doing and ask what they want and finally draw the right conclusions !!! Romantics ruined the USSR, now Russia needs it ??? There will be cruel hazing in the Army with a 3-year term of service and people will run away from the army, the corruption component will soar throughout the country and corruption with mother's milk will be brought up in people.
      5 million mouths to feed this per day - 15 million rations are needed only per day))))) The country will only work on the toilet, what kind of arms purchases are there ?? can you imagine how much equipment is needed just to catch up to the level of the USSR, or have you forgotten that the T-10 was in service with a series of guns, hailstones, T-90 back in the 62s, the same. Just look at China, they are still rearming and still can't rearm with their economy, because after 8 years everything becomes obsolete. The word must and can are not synonyms, but you want to level everything.
      If we play a strategic approach, then first we need to throw out the CHARTER of the USSR to **** and change the basis of relations in the military collective at the legislative level and make them popular. What kind of people's army will be if everyone hates it??? It’s good to trynd about the USSR now, when only memories remain ..
    17. -2
      12 February 2023 19: 22
      A small professional army should fight in the 21st century, but only if it represents a country whose capabilities and technologies inspire fear in enemies.

      This army will use tactical nuclear weapons and a few Pion rounds will end the campaign. And there will be tens of thousands of corpses and cripples.
      1. -2
        12 February 2023 19: 47
        Near Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson in the XNUMXst century, we saw more clearly how the small expeditionary army of the Russian Federation is fighting against the fully mobilized Armed Forces of Ukraine and how, in Stalin's style, "not a step back!" stubbornly holds a front of several thousand kilometers and its rear with its teeth.
    18. -5
      12 February 2023 20: 03
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      Russia Needs a Massive, Truly People's Army Like the Red Army

      You have turned everything upside down! wassat The army is a reflection of the State! "A people's army like the Red Army" is possible only in a State "like Soviet Russia"! And you don't say anything about it! 36 months to serve on guard of what? On guard of the right of private ownership of the means of production and the interests of the oligarchy? Hell yeah!!! laughing Go into cannon fodder for the interests of our bourgeois! wassat
    19. 0
      18 February 2023 03: 58
      Complete nonsense. The army should be highly professional, and not crazed cannon fodder, filling up the enemy with corpses. Yes, our army was too small to wage such a war. However, the new, post-war army must remain professional, but several times larger. Expensive? Yes. However, it is impossible otherwise.
    20. 0
      21 February 2023 19: 00
      Three years in the army? Are you out of your mind, sick? Maybe 25 at once, like under Peter?
      Six months of intensive is more than enough, instead of three years of scrapping the revenge parade ground.
  2. +4
    12 February 2023 05: 09
    I could not combine the title and the article itself, so to speak. And what is the army of the post-Ukrainian future like?
    1. +5
      12 February 2023 06: 40

      ASAD (Nikolay)
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      I could not combine the title and the article itself, so to speak. And what is the army of the post-Ukrainian future like?
      So I did not see anything in common with the title, and the article itself. From the word at all. And most importantly - will there be an "Army of the post-Ukrainian future" at all? request
      1. AAK
        +3
        12 February 2023 07: 04
        In the meantime, there is no such army yet and will not be soon, first it is necessary to decide on the territory and population of, as it were, Ukraine, then there will be a post-Ukrainian army, there are practically no generals for it now, and also not enough officers and soldiers, I don’t even know about equipment I say ... too many, unfortunately, we have unnecessary processes in the collective "head", because it causes a maximum of negative processes for the "fish" ...
    2. 0
      12 February 2023 10: 19
      It's funny, but post-war Ukraine will be forbidden to have an army by the decision of a special world body that monitors the mutual security of neighbors, but this is only in the future: the Navy, Aerospace Forces, artillery calibers above 100 mm, ALL MLRS and tanks weighing more than 40 tons, transporters with a capacity of more than 800 hp are prohibited. . and with a capacity of no more than a compartment, air defense systems are prohibited, incl. portable.
  3. +13
    12 February 2023 06: 20
    Good afternoon.
    The NWO is following the scenario of the First World War solely for political reasons. That is why in this situation what is "on the ground" is in charge: tanks, infantry, artillery fire ...
    As soon as in the first months the NVO would have destroyed the entire logistics of delivering military cargo from the western border with precisely these "overestimated" weapons: Iskanders, Calibers, X-101, etc. then the pushing through of the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have been much easier. And now there would be no talk about strengthening the armor of tanks, but they would say that more missiles would be needed. The logistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not violated from the word at all. Where do they get their fuel from?
    If the NWO was not a dance with tambourines, but a war-war, everything would have been over long ago. Someone at the top stubbornly does not allow someone to do what needs to be done:
    - Shoot down satellites over Ukraine.
    - Sink ships with military cargo going to Odessa and Nikolaev (Hello, grain deal)
    - Destroy logistic transport hubs in western Ukraine.
    - Shut off the fuel supply, i.e. kill all pipelines to Ukraine.
    - And if what is listed above turns out to be not enough and does not enlighten someone, you can also strike at the Zheshev airfield, preferably with a minimum number of victims, well, deal with the northern streams: face with a brick with the phrase "and who did he do that?"

    You look, and the NWO would turn into a seven-day war with completely different conclusions on the types of troops, and would not turn into a civil war-meat grinder.
    1. +7
      12 February 2023 10: 50
      Shoot down satellites, sink transports, strike at Rzeszew... Do you dream of a war with NATO? We cannot deal with Ukraine here.
      1. +1
        12 February 2023 11: 00
        Quote from: Derbes19
        Shoot down satellites, sink transports, strike at Zheshev .. Do you dream of war with NATO?

        The same question can be asked to the West. They have lost all fear! As if we have not only red lines, but also the nuclear triad does not exist.
        1. +7
          12 February 2023 12: 51
          How will our nuclear triad interfere with supplies to Ukraine? During the Vietnam War, US nuclear weapons in no way interfered with the supply of weapons and equipment from the USSR. Consider the Afghan war. Did the nuclear triad of the USSR greatly interfere with the supply of weapons from the United States and other countries?
          1. +1
            13 February 2023 08: 16
            Quote from: Derbes19
            How will our nuclear triad interfere with supplies to Ukraine?

            Read my comment carefully. I answered another question. There was about

            . Shoot down satellites, sink transports, strike at Zheshev ..
        2. +2
          12 February 2023 20: 49
          They lost their fear because they instilled it in others. They will use any weapon they want when they need to.
          Who is ahead in technology will be afraid. And whoever is ahead in plundering their country, no army will save those at all
      2. +2
        13 February 2023 05: 06
        Do you prefer to be an errand vassal forever? is it pointless to lose OUR people on NWO? Why are some allowed to openly destroy other people's property, while others are not? Moreover, the states do not even deny that it was they who blew up the gas pipelines - the property of another state.
  4. +13
    12 February 2023 06: 24
    Who will create this army?
    State - then universal service, etc. This can be done. Takes over the development and production of weapons and everything else for the troops, in the required quantity.
    PMC-then the State only pays for the contract and the private trader does everything himself.
    Patriotism is a relative concept - this was shown by order bearers, laureates and other public people. Why should a peasant or a worker go to defend and win back what these patriots have EARNED.
    The STATE is obliged to create and control the ARMY.
    1. +14
      12 February 2023 08: 37
      In Russia, since 1991, the state with all its functions has been privatized by a handful of owners and the RF Ministry of Defense, in fact, the same PMC as Wagner.
      1. +4
        12 February 2023 10: 43
        With elements of serfdom (recruitment).
  5. +7
    12 February 2023 06: 47
    Wouldn't it be worthwhile to reduce the number of "Caliber" by two or three times at the expense of a five-six-fold increase in the fleet of "Geranes" with "Lancets"?
    The author asked a strange question - to increase one by decreasing the other. And in parallel to increase both can be more effective? Something the opposite of Khrushchev's restructuring of the army. When it was announced that artillery, tanks, ships no longer decide the dominant role, because. we have rockets. The result: a massive reduction in officers, military specialists and the weakening of the army.
    1. +7
      12 February 2023 07: 26
      Calibers are already an old development, I didn’t see Geraniums, but I saw Lancet Avenue in the Army 4-5 years ago. Moreover, there was only a prospectus on paper, without a layout. And what to increase and what to reduce. Calibers and Lancets are different weapons, for different wars.
    2. +2
      12 February 2023 09: 45
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And in parallel to increase both can be more effective?

      Certainly. But then you will have to greatly cut the income of firms that supply food to parts, and others like that. You can’t go to this command!
      1. +1
        12 February 2023 19: 19
        So the "firms" feed the soldier, but will you cut off their income? And they will feed him better?
    3. +2
      12 February 2023 11: 17
      The author asked a strange question - to increase one by decreasing the other. And in parallel to increase both can be more effective?

      Are resources - labor, intellectual, financial in your scheme endless? Or will we take away from the social sphere, education, medicine? The USSR did not end at all because of an insufficient number of tanks and missiles, so if you do as you suggest, the new year of 1991 will not be far off.
  6. +8
    12 February 2023 06: 56
    The second feature of the conflict was the actual uselessness of active protection systems for armored vehicles. First of all, because of its absence both in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in the Russian army.
    Strange logic - no, that's useless, that's useless ... Very strange.
    1. +5
      12 February 2023 10: 14
      Tank assault on well-fortified positions of the nationalists is now possible only from distances exceeding the effective range light anti-tank equipment.

      At the same time, in the paragraph before, I wrote this.
      Strange logic, in general, the whole article contradicts itself.
      KAZ on tanks is the world standard. Israel, the USA, Turkey, Britain, Germany, Hungary, etc. put serial KAZ on their new and modernized tanks. BMP / BTR will go next, so far the only question is money, there are no technical problems.
    2. +6
      12 February 2023 11: 00
      When reading the article, the logic in general sometimes starts to fail. The absence of something is given as a rule. About active protection systems for equipment, the conclusion is generally wild. How can something that does not exist show its inefficiency? Well, any bunker with modern reconnaissance equipment and high-precision weapons is a grave for the garrison.
      1. +6
        12 February 2023 12: 24
        Agree. The "impregnable" line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbas is impregnable exclusively for us. If the US Army were engaged in it, then in a week there would be no one alive, and the Americans themselves would not even approach these fortifications at a distance of aimed fire from the defenders. Well, they fight to win, and we fight to show heroism.
        1. +4
          12 February 2023 13: 49
          Right. They did not storm these positions at all. It was enough to carry out an offensive along the Dnieper, bypassing and blocking the cities. It would have turned out to be a wonderful Donbass cauldron, which only had to be “welded”.
        2. +1
          12 February 2023 19: 02
          Based on Iraq, the United States would have demolished a quarter in the capital, bridges, ports, famous control centers, air defense, but they simply would not have gone to the URs. But the Russian Federation has its own way.
        3. -4
          12 February 2023 20: 17
          The US Army, after a month of fighting near Avdiivka, would have fled, dropping their slippers. Here I am amazed at people. With which of the strong opponents did the States fight the last time? Not with Japan? So there is no need to exaggerate the strength of the American army. They wouldn't even poke their nose at Avdiivka.
          1. +7
            12 February 2023 20: 32
            Was the Iraqi army weaker than the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Seriously?! Oh yes - the Yankees bought generals there. Why didn't we buy Ukrainian generals? Or was the money stolen by those who were supposed to buy it?
            1. 0
              6 December 2023 07: 16
              Compare the Iraqi army with the Ukrainian one? Is this some kind of joke? Yes, the Vietnamese fought much better than the Arabs.
        4. 0
          13 February 2023 17: 39
          Quote: UAZ 452
          If the US Army was engaged in it, then in a week there would be no one alive,

          Do you know why???
          And because the United States is not fighting near its borders and does not plan to live together with the occupied territories. Here is such a simple reason ....
          Quote: UAZ 452
          Well, they fight to win, and we fight to show heroism.
          - mmmm.....
          And remind me - whom did the United States defeat militarily after 1945?
          Do not offer Grenada and the USSR ...
          1. 0
            13 February 2023 22: 02
            Serbia and Iraq also not to offer? Well, then it means no one.
            1. 0
              6 December 2023 07: 17
              Serbia and Iraq are not even at the level of Turkey.
  7. +5
    12 February 2023 07: 07
    The role of the tank as an effective means of breaking through enemy defenses has been lost.

    As already noted in the comments, in a global conflict, and not in those when our troops protect the civilian population and infrastructure as much as possible, the database will go according to a different scheme and according to different rules. And tanks are the only means of breaking through the enemy's defenses when using tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield. So the role of the tank is not lost. Satellites, reconnaissance aircraft will be destroyed. TNW artillery will not spare. There is nothing to say about the infantry.
    The army of the post-Ukrainian future must be, first of all, ready for any changes. To any surprises, as far as possible. Troop leadership must be able to quickly reorganize these same troops, depending on the situation. Middle-level officers must be proactive, understand both the strategic and tactical environment. And act not only on orders from above, but also independently, making decisions that allow you to put the enemy to a standstill, giving an advantage to your own unit.
    The main thing is how it was, is and will be, not the technique, but the people who manage it.
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 09: 42
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      And tanks are the only means of breaking through the enemy’s defenses when using tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield

      It's right. My friend's father got cancer. He had no hope, so he did not begin to be treated, but simply bought dope that numbs the pain, and in six months he built a good house for them, quite cheaply, because he did not spare himself. After which he died. A hero in general, in my opinion.
      But only after the use of tactical nuclear weapons will immediately be the use of nuclear weapons in full growth, after which the built house is already useless. Someone will live in it. So the question of who broke through what before bleeding out will already be academic, but there will be no academies for his consideration.
      An army is needed to conquer the world in modern warfare. And not in an imaginary one, in which it is so comfortable to theorize, knowing full well that there will be no one to ask for the practical application of theories ...
  8. +6
    12 February 2023 07: 08
    What will the army be like? The same as now, no one wants to look at the world without the prism of rose-colored glasses. And those units who want, by the horns and into the stall ...... The TV has replaced nature for us.
    1. +3
      12 February 2023 09: 11
      Does anyone around you watch TV? In mine for 10 years, like no. Nobody at all.
      1. +5
        12 February 2023 09: 26
        Quote from Arcius Long
        Does anyone around you watch TV? In mine for 10 years, like no. Nobody at all.

        My mom. She has no other sources of information in the village. Zombies, no matter how you look at it. request
        1. +6
          12 February 2023 10: 41
          Indeed, in the provinces, and in the capital, elderly people even look at and respect the zombies, but they are voters .........
  9. +11
    12 February 2023 07: 11
    "The second feature of the conflict was the actual uselessness of active protection systems for armored vehicles. First of all, due to its absence both in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in the Russian army."

    Brilliant! And also useless (on the Russian side) are attack drones, normal drill aircraft, closed digital communications, satellite constellation, etc., etc. For the same reason.
  10. +6
    12 February 2023 07: 23
    "Wouldn't it be worthwhile to reduce the number of Calibers by two or three times at the expense of a five-six-fold increase in the Geranium fleet with Lancets?"

    the production of calibers had only to be increased, and there were no "geraniums" to their own at all. and now they are produced know where.
    if the author retroactively wants to throw out something unnecessary from the military budget for the sake of something necessary, then you need to start not with calibers, but with - drum roll - the FLEET so beloved on this site. this is really the most useless category of expenses. despite the fact that the largest - up to 36% of all military spending in some years. more than the entire land army, for a moment. despite the fact that this is not enough for the local sectarians - give them also aircraft carriers (they are so needed in Ukraine!), But more and more expensive.
  11. -7
    12 February 2023 08: 00
    Quote: E. Fedorov
    in the publication of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, is impossible without the widespread use of civilian technologies. There is often simply no time to develop military analogues.

    I always thought that the most advanced developments in the military-industrial complex, but here it turns out there it is, the cart before the horse. Is it true?
    1. 0
      12 February 2023 11: 40
      Quote: Boris55
      Is it true?

      Yes, in 2023 it is true. Civil technology has jumped very far ahead.
      1. -5
        12 February 2023 13: 09
        Quote from cold wind
        Civil technology has jumped very far ahead.

        Shaw, and overtook hypersound? belay
        1. +2
          12 February 2023 19: 05
          Based on where they get "Geraniums", yes.
  12. -5
    12 February 2023 08: 06
    More funds should be allocated for the development of armaments of the army, these funds can be printed. No one and nothing should know how much we spend on defense. All military lines must be automated.
    Threats are growing every year. The collective West, with poverty, wants more and more to start a war. As we can see from the situation for Russia, no one collects tanks to help.
    Today, the West finances Ukraine; tomorrow, this may happen on the territory of Russia.
    For the completion of technology, mo should pay money, and not reject any weapon that the factories offered them to buy. Now we need well-armored vehicles, but they are not. Kurganmash plant only swayed at the end of the year, and then for the production of infantry fighting vehicles
    Moreover, this plant was located in the outback, where people try to leave if possible and the production is there. Design bureaus should be located in big cities, where you can at least find designers. With designers who draw equipment in Russia, it is also a big problem that they were not released for a long time.
    The West supplied Ukraine with the most advanced means of destroying equipment.
    The army needs well-armored means, high-precision weapons.
  13. +9
    12 February 2023 08: 21
    . That is why we do not see the enemy's cavalry encirclement followed by encirclement - for this we will have to concentrate mass technology and personnel.

    But how did the regrouping in the Kharkov direction happen then? After all, there the enemy just concentrated a lot of equipment and personnel. Why wasn't it destroyed?

    The abandonment of Kherson occurred due to a violation of logistics. Why don't we try to do the same with the enemy?

    Sorry, but I don't believe that only by frontal attacks on fortified positions and squeezing a kilometer a month, you can win the war.
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 09: 06
      After all, there the enemy just concentrated a lot of equipment and personnel. Why wasn't it destroyed?

      There was no concentration of troops in the literal sense, there was saturation with small mobile groups, equipped with good communications, which made it possible to act as a single unit. And this new tactic put our generals, trained in routine actions, in an unpleasant position.
      For some reason, electronic warfare is not marked in the article. There would be no frontal attacks and artillery defense if we were able to extinguish the connection, then there would be no target designation, no adjustments and pictures from the UAV.
      The main thing in war is the competent command and control of troops based on operational data, and not the presence or absence of certain types of weapons. Let's remember the 41st year.
      Yes, and the actions of our over-hyped aviation suck. Money down the drain...
      1. +4
        12 February 2023 13: 36
        For some reason, electronic warfare is not marked in the article. There would be no frontal attacks and artillery defense if we were able to extinguish communications

        Electronic warfare, as a radiating object, is quickly taken direction and destroyed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        1. +2
          12 February 2023 13: 59
          But before the SVO, nothing like this was expected? Somewhere else, many years ago, I read about the concept of cheap distributed radar signal emitters, while the operators and equipment for receiving and analyzing the signal do not give themselves away. The same, even simpler, could be used in the practice of electronic warfare. But why? Electronic warfare - not tanks with fighters, they don’t look so brutal in parades, which means that old stuff will do. Well, on TV, we will call this antiques having no analogues, anyway, no one can check - secrecy, after all!
    2. +4
      12 February 2023 10: 15
      The abandonment of Kherson occurred due to a violation of logistics. Why don't we try to do the same with the enemy?

      This is amazing .. So the ukrovermacht can destroy the bridge on our communications with sad consequences for us. and the Tsegabon Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - no ??? How does it work out? What is it - the Chimera is so much cooler and more effective than our weapons? Or was it not in her and not in the bridge?
      1. 0
        12 February 2023 19: 46
        In this story with "SVO" one thing clings to another:

        There was only one plan: to create the appearance of a "camp on Kyiv" with parallel agreements to change power - it did not work out.
        There was no backup plan. Based on the unpreparedness for the reserve plan - the liberated (almost freebie) territories stupidly had nothing to saturate with (neither troops with adequate supplies, nor the creation of power in new territories). as a result, "difficult decisions" had to be applied

        "
        Quote: paul3390
        Or was it not in her and not in the bridge?


        The habit of living without straining - for oil and gas dollars, to please and try to shake hands with "Western partners" have done their job with the whole country.
  14. +3
    12 February 2023 08: 25
    "Confusion instead of music" (c), the author did not outline the concept of the army of the post-Ukrainian future ..
    1. -12
      12 February 2023 08: 28
      Quote: parusnik
      the concept of the army of the post-Ukrainian future, the author did not outline.

      His goal was not to present the concept of the army of the future, but to spoil what is.
    2. -7
      12 February 2023 08: 34
      Russia will win ! At what price, it will depend on what kind of army she needs.
  15. 0
    12 February 2023 08: 29
    I liked the article, because in it, in contrast to the empty Biryukovism, the author analyzes not what will happen in the future (to make forecasts worthy of discussion, to extrapolate not the future) can be one and only one who is armed with the entire amount of knowledge about our resources and resources of the enemy, as well as the potential for restoration and increment of resources of both sides. BUT in some ways I do not agree with the author. For some reason, the author believes that the use of self-propelled units is less promising than the use of portable ones. But the facts show that out of the delivered 777 howitzers, 85% were destroyed, while the number of HIMARS installations destroyed is much less, according to a very approximate calculation, 5,5 times less in a comparable number delivered. I am convinced that the main factor in survivability is not armor protection, but the speed of transferring the system from combat to traveling state. I also do not fully agree with the fact that modern defense capabilities make large-scale offensives unrealistic. I believe that these are real, subject to careful planning of the operation, powerful intelligence, the highest coordination of the functions of all the systems involved, but this is a topic for a separate discussion.
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  17. 0
    12 February 2023 08: 45
    Quote: Belisarius
    Do you think that the people who are in power and carried out this reform will now themselves begin to change everything in the opposite direction? This will not happen, so your proposals are practically unrealizable.

    They themselves will want to live not in a prison in The Hague and the country will be faced with the fact of destruction by the enemy - they will do it.
    The human instinct for self-preservation is the most powerful along with the instincts of food and sex.
    1. +6
      12 February 2023 09: 34
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      They themselves will want to live not in a prison in The Hague and the country will be faced with the fact of destruction by the enemy - they will do it.

      They won't. They have not been taught this all their lives. Even if you start shooting a column of plasterers from the head, a nuclear reactor will not be assembled in the tail for anything. But to surrender in such a way that the enemy in the beak can drag more payoffs - this is for them. As far as their qualifications...
    2. +6
      12 February 2023 12: 02
      The human instinct for self-preservation is the most powerful along with the instincts of food and sex.

      With age, learning ability drops sharply, even basic instincts do not save. For some, this is compensated by life experience, but if the surrounding reality has changed a lot, then this experience is depreciated. Therefore, it is useless to expect some new approaches from those who have spent their entire professional managerial career learning to cut budgets, build muddy schemes, well, the military - still hold parades and ostentatious exercises. These gentlemen themselves would be happy to adapt to the current realities, but it doesn’t work out! The age is no longer the same for the central processor, which is between the ears, to allow flashing.
    3. +3
      12 February 2023 19: 09
      There are plenty of examples when top officials (the system) did nothing/little to win, based on the principle "it will do." Or because of incompetence. The brightest - 1 MV and Nicholas 2nd.
  18. +3
    12 February 2023 08: 55
    Quote: nazgul-ishe
    Patriotism is a relative concept - this was shown by order bearers, laureates and other public people. Why should a peasant or a worker go to defend and win back what these patriots have EARNED.


    Because patriotism in a normal country (USSR, PRC) is brought up from childhood, from a nursery and matures and is tempered together with a person, a citizen all his life - nursery, kindergarten, school, university, work, pension.

    it is necessary to restore all the functions and tasks of DOSAAF in preparing young people for military service and for war, which this organization had in the USSR, to put DOSAAF under the control of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    It is necessary to immediately restore a separate subject of the NVP - initial military training, ideological and patriotic education in all, without exception, secondary and higher educational institutions of the Russian Federation according to the full program of the course that was in the USSR.

    Basic military training in any school should begin at the age of 14 for students of both sexes and continue until the end of school (grades 8 to 11).

    There is a need for complete militarization of education and the consciousness of students and students, the education of a nation of Heroes, a people of Warriors, and not stupid and cowardly consumers!

    It is necessary to completely restore the curriculum in all subjects, especially in Russian literature and the history of the USSR, reporting and a list of school subjects, strict school uniforms and discipline, which were in the schools of the USSR on January 1, 1985!

    It is vitally and urgently necessary to amend and consolidate in Article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation the state, universally binding ideology, which includes such values ​​as patriotism, the traditional family as the union of a man and a woman for the purpose of giving birth and raising children, large families, friendship of peoples, faith in God, cult Man of Labor, science, progress, sports, struggle for world peace, a sober and healthy lifestyle, a categorical prohibition of infanticide - abortion, pornography, homosexuality, pedophilia, drug addiction, alcoholism, depravity, cruelty, greed, Nazism, selfishness.
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 09: 26
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      patriotism in a normal country (USSR, PRC) is brought up from childhood, from a nursery

      You can't instill patriotism. Don't you understand how this will end? (It's impossible ...
    2. +4
      12 February 2023 11: 54
      Because patriotism in a normal country (USSR, PRC) is brought up from childhood, from a nursery and matures and is tempered together with a person, a citizen all his life - nursery, kindergarten, school, university, work, pension.

      So that's what happened in 1985-1991! It turns out that patriotic education was abolished in the Brezhnev era! Or not cancelled? Then how is it - why did the "normal country" of the USSR collapse? Here's how from the "normal USSR" with its patriotic upbringing, it turned out "abnormal (as the author of the comment turns out) RF"? Or will we again hear about two or three (yes, even 100 or even a WHOLE thousand) traitors who ruined an entire country with a patriotic population of 300 million loyal to the ideas of socialism?
    3. +2
      12 February 2023 15: 24
      Quote from DefenderofTruth
      Because patriotism in a normal country (USSR, PRC) is brought up from childhood, from a nursery and matures and is tempered together with a person, a citizen all his life - nursery, kindergarten, school, university, work, pension.
      All this was in the USSR. Where is he now? Which of the patriots stood up for him? People will protect only their own interests, and even then not always. Here - the current Abramovichs do not protect something.
  19. +3
    12 February 2023 09: 08
    The new armored vehicles of the Russian army will inevitably become heavier and get rid of the ability to swim.


    Probably, for this weight, the factory massive "Ilyich's eyebrows" in a new form will return to the tanks (and the tanks will crawl out "on their bald heads"). Only now they will be oriented to cover from a cumulative strike from above, since all sorts of openwork grilles and visors are too weak. The plus is that, unlike the very expensive KAZ, such eyebrows at least have a chance to become massive.
  20. +6
    12 February 2023 09: 14
    The second feature of the conflict was the actual uselessness of active protection systems for armored vehicles. First of all, due to its absence both in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in the Russian army
    Read what you write did not try
  21. +4
    12 February 2023 09: 25
    Much more important are "situational awareness, efficiency and rationality of delegating the rights to use weapons, adaptability of control, activity, efficiency, training, coherence and experience of personnel."
    Yeah. Well, you must! Got it!)
    To go crazy, all that turned out to be enough to put several tens of thousands of people in order for enlightenment to come in the brains of the generals! Just the same insignificant price! This time not millions...
    Yes that's right. The time of the infantry masses of brainless meat, which accumulate slowly in the rear (because if everything is done quickly, then you need to be able to do it, work, did you get a general's epaulettes ?!), and then slowly and tastefully "spend" in frontal attacks, it's gone! And the headquarters recognized this. Incredible.
    That is, decades of development of reconnaissance equipment, various systems for high-speed fire maneuvering, all these strange things that, as it were, hinted at the fact that march-march would not work in dense rows and columns, all this was of no interest to anyone. Think! And only death of people... Curse.
    And all this record-breaking, high-speed and monstrously expensive aviation, all this is rubbish, milking out funds from the country's budget, all this is not the "wings of the Motherland" but its racket - it milks the loot, but there is no benefit but harm, this is also, well, such a surprise! Ugh...
    Yes, the role of special forces needs to be reconsidered. Also terribly unexpected! It turns out that if a fighter does not own a significant part of the skills and rights of special forces (for example, the right to open fire without asking permission from the Moscow general, and so ... just ... in a combat situation ... unheard of!), then he does not make sense on the battlefield at all release. From his death, inglorious and meaningless, there is no use, well, wow! Previously, no one paid attention to this. They just mumbled about the "miraculous heroes" who somehow themselves were there. On the navel they will win. After three shootings of five rounds by single shots and severe training, a combatant on the parade ground, such as "hay-straw".
    In general, everything is bad. We need to train the whole army. And those who are attached to officers for money must be expelled. In general, many even shoot. Monstrous! After all, the army is a cash cow! How can it be?! I personally did not even expect such revelations, I thought, and then everything will be quiet ...
  22. +7
    12 February 2023 09: 31
    For some unknown reason, the intelligence aspect is completely missing. Both AWACS and space, and short-range unmanned. (Sorry for the amateurish terms)
    Until now, as far as one can understand, there is a significant shortage of elementary intelligence. drones. Because of what, the same highmarses and any other mobile artillery can operate freely. Not to mention completely free logistics in the rear.
    The author draws, in my opinion, extremely dangerous conclusions about what means the army should be equipped with in a positional war. But he does not give reasons for how we "sinked" to a positional war.
    Historical background - PMV also began with maneuvers, but when they failed, they went into positional confrontation.
    Both the French and the Germans drew conclusions from the results of the war - alone based on the successes of the positional war. Others - on the reasons for the failures of maneuvering actions. Everyone knows who, according to the results of WWII, was right.
    1. +5
      12 February 2023 10: 25
      Quote: Pavel_Sh
      The author draws, in my opinion, extremely dangerous conclusions about what means the army should be equipped with in a positional war. But he does not give reasons for how we "sinked" to a positional war.

      An extremely important note. There has been a slide to the level of WWI and there is a discussion on how to win such a war. Which is categorically wrong, because victory in it is simply impossible. We will simply be slowly welded due to the supply of high-tech weapons.
      1. +2
        12 February 2023 21: 29
        Quote from cold wind
        We will simply be slowly welded due to the supply of high-tech weapons.

        Neither subtract nor add. Everything will be that way.
    2. +2
      12 February 2023 21: 28
      Quote: Pavel_Sh
      For some unknown reason, the intelligence aspect is completely missing.

      Yes, there is an understandable reason, why is there something incomprehensible?) People do not end up in high headquarters and with big stars to think something about the war. They have other concerns...
  23. +2
    12 February 2023 09: 33
    The title contains the idea of ​​an army of the post-Ukrainian future. It remains to be hoped that the army will be the first to absorb all the innovations even before the collapse of the Kyiv regime

    Current armies have already absorbed this. What will she be? Let's chime in.
    There will be no brilliant commanders in it, the current ones have already bought their places. Part of it will be hired. It's already happened, forget the formalities. The mercenaries will serve on the front line, the logistics will remain for the patriots. She will continue to fight with what she has. But repeatedly modernized. She will dress in a new uniform and sing new songs. And yes, there will be a lot of UAVs in it, you can’t get away from them. What else? Add
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 12: 09
      Quote: Olddetractor
      She will dress in a new uniform and sing new songs. And yes, there will be a lot of UAVs in it, you can’t get away from them. What else? Add


      An external acoustic and light signal howler will become mandatory for any armor - any radio transmitter or laser approaching from above will trigger an alarm so that the infantry has time to clear the armor of their "taxi" - and from then it will be possible to hit the UAV with a shot from an automatic mortar or discard it with a shock wave of a compressed explosion charge protection, air.
  24. +1
    12 February 2023 09: 46
    The second feature of the conflict was the actual uselessness of active protection systems for armored vehicles. First of all, because of its absence both in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in the Russian army. For a war with guerrilla groups, for example, Israelis with Palestinians, KAZ is suitable. But when the quantity and quality of anti-tank equipment exceeds all reasonable limits, active defense seems like an expensive toy. The funds spent on the development, testing and construction of such products should have been spent on improving passive and dynamic protection.

    Are you a good author? request
    The concept of differentiated booking in the realities of the special operation turned out to be erroneous

    Looks like no...

    Well, if we develop according to the author, our scribe is waiting
  25. +2
    12 February 2023 09: 57
    Quote: Mikhail3
    You can't instill patriotism. Don't you understand how this will end? (It's impossible ...


    Yes, we won’t, but we’ll sit on the priest exactly and wait for the sellers to come and bring everything to us on silver platters, but for money!
  26. +3
    12 February 2023 10: 11
    The messages are correct but there are nuances. We don’t have effective active tank protection, so we don’t use it, we would use it, artificial intelligence and high-quality sensors are needed for this, we don’t have either for the same reason, and we don’t have a-100 AWACS. The fact that we use tanks with artillery speaks only of one thing, we don’t have thousands of drones a day, on the battlefield, not yet in one army, but given the progress, the reduction in cost of the one who will smash both tanks and artillery systems, and we would again do not get involved in preparing for the previous war. Tanks died for the reason that they became very expensive and the effect can be achieved in other ways, well, we now have a multiple superiority of tanks, but what's the point, we take a village of five houses for months. And when there is a rumble of a bunch of drones above the fighter, ready to fly to him as soon as he leans out, this sense is much more than from tanks and artillery. Our planes are not effective, so we don’t have the working means of reb-we can’t use cast iron, and high-precision bombs, rockets, to shoot from afar. Everything that is happening now in their own experts said decades ago that this would be the case, so the West scored on tanks and is improving drones. Well, what about the connection? When was she good? Everything rests on microelectronics, so the West cuts off China, advanced chips will win the next wars.
    1. +3
      12 February 2023 10: 36
      Quote: alexey_444
      we don’t have thousands of drones a day, on the battlefield, while not in one army,

      How not? In the US Armed Forces 2014 (almost 10 years ago) it was ~10 500 drones. The RF Armed Forces simply overslept the technical revolution.
    2. +4
      12 February 2023 13: 56
      Well, what about the connection? When was she good?

      Strange as it may seem, they can make communication with us, the same passions are excellent walkie-talkies, but the funds were stolen, that's the problem. We have corrupt officials promoted alas.
      In aircraft construction, they were carried away by super-maneuverability, but they forgot about planning bombs, that's right. Now it was possible to take the oldest and cheapest jet aircraft such as SU-17 or SU25, equip it with unmanned control and means of detecting and destroying air defense and launch it in waves to detect air defense. And fancy fighters are not needed.
      1. +4
        12 February 2023 14: 42
        When creating the concept of the fifth generation, in the West, stealth in the radar range was put at the forefront, in our country - maneuverability. The authors of articles in our near-war publications vied with each other to criticize the American campaign and praised ours, but as it turned out, no one really needed super-maneuverability - even if you make an aircraft capable of maneuvering to evade a rocket (which in itself is difficult to achieve, because the rocket is stupidly smaller and lighter), then the pilot with such a maneuver will be smeared on the walls of his own cockpit. Well, the fact that ours, which have no analogues, perfectly copy the Ukrainian radars (rather, NATO AWACS), has led to the fact that they only launch missiles from the airspace on our side of the LBS. But even some Su-17 would have coped with these! And many times cheaper.
        1. 0
          13 February 2023 22: 40
          Quote: UAZ 452
          When creating the concept of the fifth generation, in the West, stealth in the radar range was put at the forefront, in our country - maneuverability.


          It was believed that the planes would fight over their own land and under the air defense umbrella and against an inconspicuous air enemy. Therefore, super-maneuverability is only an option for close combat with a modern air attack and attack vehicle, which equalizes the chance if the "stealth" was not possible to get from afar. In fact, for an air defense aircraft, it is not stealth that is important, but cheapness and huge serial production, and in modern times, network-centricity and communication. Because the fact that they were not fond of stealth was not the worst decision.
      2. +1
        13 February 2023 11: 31
        Quote: nickname7
        the same excitement excellent walkie-talkies

        these are the ones that turned out to be with Chinese "stuffing", for which the deputy chief of the general staff was tried?
        1. 0
          13 February 2023 22: 07
          The course of the SVO, as it were, hints that, most likely, not those who should have been judged.
  27. +5
    12 February 2023 10: 20
    another 100-500th explainer - forecaster.
    But this is already clear, each non-war opens up new techniques and possibilities for fighting.

    But in fact, this is a 100-500th description of the struggle not with the causes of the disease, but with its symptoms.
    1. +1
      12 February 2023 13: 14
      "If you do not believe the prophecies of a little shaggy pony, then what can you believe at all"
      R. Sheckley
      "Bring Me the Head of Prince Charming"
  28. +1
    12 February 2023 10: 31
    And what does the "Kyiv regime" have to do with it if the control comes from the USA?? - just write - until the United States collapses (for which the prerequisites are not visible). From what is written, it turns out that the war has returned to the First World War. + Absolute lowering into the economy - the war is on - gas and trade for some reason are not interrupted.
  29. +6
    12 February 2023 10: 40
    Quote: AAK
    the main thing is the active position of the people themselves

    If Grandma had...

    What do you think, if our people had an “active position”, would this farce with elections and a referendum on amendments to the constitution go through our government? The stick is always double-edged. And then there is a “position”, but not here, but here the fish was wrapped ....
    1. +6
      12 February 2023 11: 32
      And what is our law enforcement practice worth, when 100% of cases of self-defense, even with a clear danger to life, ended in real terms for "self-defenders"? The meaning is clear - the authorities were afraid that if citizens were allowed to defend themselves against bandits, then tomorrow they would decide to defend themselves from the arbitrariness of the authorities themselves. But the flip side of this coin is that it is foolish to expect that citizens who were not allowed to have and use weapons to protect their lives, the lives of their loved ones, their homes, will suddenly magically be ready to defend the interests of their country with weapons in their hands (I will omit for simplicity what exactly these interests are, is explained differently each time).
  30. -11
    12 February 2023 10: 43
    A wonderful article - all to the point, without mantras and without hatred.
    However, I will finish 5 kopecks. About Gostomel, now you can safely evaluate the operation.
    High-precision weapons and the numerical superiority of the enemy, coupled with the weak "armor" of the special forces, largely eliminates the advantages of the army elite.

    A lightning-fast operation to eliminate one of the most combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the capture of the most combat-ready equipment, and mind you, with its export to the Russian Federation. They just showed that the Russian Federation can reach any point in Ukria at any moment, and you won’t do shit with it - it was designed primarily for NATO, and judging by the fact that all the instructors abruptly curtailed and didn’t go further than Yavorovo, but they were there only in Odessa though. eat - that's just NATO understood everything. Plus, the raid on Gostomel sewed to the place about 100-strong grouping, with it in the Donbass there would be a completely different war, and there would be no corridor to the Crimea simply because the l / s would be five times ours.
    So with the cheating, the author got excited
  31. +7
    12 February 2023 10: 56
    I'm sorry, I won't write a detailed answer now, until such a remark:
    1. Flexible changes in the configuration of military equipment on the battlefield are provided by the power of science, the operation of technology centers, and flexible production.
    2. What will be the army of the states of the future is unknown, but it can be assumed that in the future the existence of the state will be determined by its ability to quickly and massively introduce advanced technological developments in metal / plastic.
    3. Numerous army of serf society, recruitment, are able to withstand the army of high technologies for some time at the cost of a demographic catastrophe and inevitable social burnout.
    In the last century, social protest took the form of a revolution; in modern society, there is more social disillusionment and flight. Perhaps this is due to the greater possibilities of control, identification of the individual by the state. Under such conditions, those who are disappointed erase their identification on social networks, go to anonymous channels, and flee from warring countries.
  32. Eug
    +3
    12 February 2023 11: 20
    This "operation", as for me, brings relatively local (by territory) databases to a completely new level of support, primarily informational (global) and, as a result, operational. And for the success of post-Ukrainian wars, generals of post-Ukrainian thinking are needed - not living like the previous war, but able to combine the experience of the last war, apply it to modern technical means and draw the right conclusions - what and how to prepare the state as a whole and the army as a part of it. .
  33. +11
    12 February 2023 11: 27
    I go to work past a very respected university. Every year since the beginning of March, and in recent years since the end of February, I have watched cadets bang on the parade ground almost daily in preparation for the May parade. These 2-odd months annually are clearly for everyone to study. Last year, the intensity of construction was at the same level. Obviously, on the parade ground they mastered the new experience gained during the NWO.
    If in a few weeks, as always in the last decade, cadets are pulled out of school and sent to pull socks on the parade ground, if tens of thousands of military personnel, as in previous years, are gathered in Alabino to prepare for the annual show, instead of combat training, then I will be sure that Russia will not have any army. Unless they allow the amusing Kremlin regiment to remain - where are we without parades?
    1. +3
      12 February 2023 11: 33
      There is a pattern: the better the parades, the worse they fight. The logic is simple, an officer who thinks day and night, and most importantly improves combat training, has no time for drill. Classes in medicine, tactics, fire training, etc. should eat up all the time. It is time to cancel drill training a long time ago as unnecessary, or rather because of its harm. In addition, the soldiers in the ranks are the most convenient target, the ideal distribution of fragments.
      1. -1
        12 February 2023 11: 41
        Drilling is part of the psychological preparation of a fighter, and there is nothing to replace it in the foreseeable future. The feeling of the elbow is the so-called. Why, in your opinion, is drill not canceled in any army in the world?
        The archaism of methods does not mean uselessness. For example, calligraphy in schools cannot be canceled either, despite the fact. that practically no one writes by hand - the development of fine motor skills.
        1. +3
          12 February 2023 11: 51
          Quote from Bingo
          Why, in your opinion, is drill not canceled in any army in the world?

          Because they cancel laughing
          It is generally forbidden to walk in formation in the Israeli troops, in most NATO countries there is no special drill training, they cannot walk in step (naturally, except for circus units) laughing
          1. +2
            12 February 2023 12: 05
            Quote from cold wind
            Because they cancel
            In the Israeli army

            ... drill training is also there - oops! Just like everyone else, wow!
            1. +4
              12 February 2023 20: 03
              Quote from Bingo
              triple is part of the psychological preparation of a fighter, and there is nothing to replace it in the foreseeable future. The feeling of the elbow is the so-called.


              The drill is accompanied by songs - in our unit it was before lights out for good sleep, development of the lungs and a sense of elbow.
              Although personally for me at first it was a game to sing songs in a sober state with peers and at the same time marching.
          2. +2
            12 February 2023 12: 46
            The goose step is our Russian tradition since the times of the Russian Empire!
            1. +2
              12 February 2023 14: 04
              This tradition has already survived two incarnations of the empire, with each successive empire shrinking. It seems that everything goes to the fact that this tradition will also destroy the third incarnation. It remains only to rejoice that even in some Russian confederation that has decreased in area and population (it’s not a matter of the name), the traditions of stepping will not go anywhere. Those are braces!
              1. kaa
                0
                13 February 2023 11: 42
                Miracles of logic, or rather a complete lack of logic.
        2. +5
          12 February 2023 20: 33
          Combatant - an atavism of the armies of the 18-19th century, when they really fought in formation. But the sailors at the same time did not fight in orderly ranks, and they suddenly did not have a drill (it appeared already in later times, when they began to be attracted to parades). And nothing, fought somehow.
      2. 0
        12 February 2023 11: 46
        Quote from cold wind
        It is high time to cancel drill training as unnecessary

        consult a psychologist first
        1. +4
          12 February 2023 11: 53
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          consult a psychologist first

          The task of the drill is to obydlit conscripts. When you repeat absolutely meaningless actions day and night, dullness and unquestioning obedience to commands occur. It's true. That's just the realities of modern warfare is the opposite.
          1. -6
            12 February 2023 12: 24
            Quote from cold wind
            The task of the drill is to obydlit conscripts.

            big delusion
            Quote from cold wind
            When you repeat absolutely meaningless actions day and night, dullness and unquestioning obedience to commands occur.

            uh mmm
            in critical situations, unquestioning, instant, at the level of reflexes, the execution of the order of the commander can quite save a life
            Quote from cold wind
            That's just the realities of modern warfare is the opposite.

            the realities of modern warfare have shown that the concepts of recent years are just not ice at all and are good only in the event of a war with the "natives"
      3. +7
        12 February 2023 12: 28
        Everything was said back in 1905, after Tsushima: "The fleet that was preparing for the Highest Reviews could not but lose to the fleet that was preparing for war."
      4. 0
        12 February 2023 20: 26
        Well, not really. The Germans from Frederick the Great always had excellent parades.
    2. +3
      12 February 2023 12: 57
      I will add. MAKS2023 and Army2023 are also planned to be held
  34. +5
    12 February 2023 11: 47
    The development of towed artillery can only go in one direction - it should not exist in any form. But there are doubts about the usefulness of heavy armored self-propelled guns, so wheeled self-propelled guns are a priority, but analysts made such conclusions long before the SVO. The same Swedish "Archer" is by no means a novelty of the local military industry.
    And no matter how the SVO ends, the appetites of the naval and landing lobby must be radically shortened. It’s clear about the fleet - one of the most capacious items of defense budgets not only brought the least benefit, but also provided image losses through the roof (I'm talking about "Moscow"). Well, landing generals should forget about the show at public expense in the form of exercises with hundreds of paratroopers being landed, dropping cardboard armored vehicles on parachute platforms. To ruin the most combat-ready, elite troops, providing them with absolutely unusable military equipment (namely, this is what it objectively turns out to be if its airborne landing is a mandatory requirement) is a crime. And if before the SVO it could be written off as stupidity, and the lobbyists of this approach could be sent to retire, then if now these figures stick to the same line, this is already a concrete betrayal, and resignation cannot be limited. Here it is already necessary to involve the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, to identify bias, conflicts of interest.
    1. +1
      12 February 2023 13: 44
      Quote: UAZ 452
      The development of towed artillery can only go in one direction - it should not exist in any form.
      priority for wheeled self-propelled guns

      In general, yes. A wheeled self-propelled gun is not much more expensive than a towed howitzer + tractor combination, but there are fewer servants. As a result (if we take the entire service life) it will be cheaper.
      The towed have only an advantage in air mobility, for some tasks this is very important. But in principle, they can be replaced by mobile missile systems.


    2. -1
      12 February 2023 22: 02
      Complete nonsense about towed and self-propelled artillery. And both are needed. Self-propelled is more difficult to manufacture. A bunch of tractor-gun towed artillery gives greater reliability than self-propelled guns. If your KAMAZ is broken, you will replace it with another KAMAZ, and the gun is tied to the chassis of the self-propelled guns. Kamaz has a much larger running resource than your tractor. Yes, self-propelled artillery like Caesar is not bad, but there are also questions about a special cargo platform, storing it for conservation, resuming production, etc. A trained crew of towed artillery deploys and folds the gun not much longer than self-propelled guns. Towed artillery does not require ejectors, as in armored self-propelled guns, which are always out of order and after a dozen shots you have nothing to breathe inside the self-propelled guns. Towed artillery is easier to hide in the landing and redirect in the right direction, it is easier to choose a site for installation. A trench is usually always more reliable than any armor. The truck, while the gun is in position, can stand in a completely different place a kilometer from the position. Self-propelled guns have a fairly narrow angle of fire, and wheeled ones are no easier to deploy than towed ones, but more difficult. Towed artillery is also a truck with decent ammunition. And in your self-propelled guns a lot of BC will not fit. Practice shows that it is quite difficult to destroy a fully towed artillery, they are very maintainable, they quickly return to service due to the simplicity of their design. Transporting a broken self-propelled gun is a pain in the ass. That is why, after the Kharkov regrouping, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were replenished with a certain amount of Russian Msta-S. And if she received combat damage - even more difficult. Each weapon type has its own advantages and disadvantages. On our sector of the front, I saw a little self-propelled guns. Towed artillery rides more often. Yes, and it is easier to preserve towed artillery. Until now, a D-20 of 1946 of the model is rolling past us. Haven't seen any ISU-152 yet. )
      1. 0
        13 February 2023 22: 58
        Quote: Hagakure
        Each weapon type has its own advantages and disadvantages.

        If everything were so simple, then towed guns would simply be used along with old wheeled armored personnel carriers or armored wheeled tractors, tractors that could protect the crew from return fire with their armor - and it would become very difficult to destroy such towed artillery, because the crew is protected, ammunition. Wheel armor has almost the same advantages as a truck and, by the way, the fighters on it would definitely sit inside and not on the armor.
  35. -8
    12 February 2023 12: 00
    In modern warfare, the "impossibility to create a fist" for a breakthrough, long ago in Soviet times, was compensated by the ability to strike with tactical nuclear weapons.

    And the impossibility of inflicting such a blow is a consequence of the weakness of the belligerent state.
    If the enemy were really afraid of us, the operational-tactical broads along Avdiivka would have been done long ago. Enemies would have screamed for order, and shut up ......
    1. +2
      12 February 2023 12: 31
      Avdiivka - which is next to Donetsk? And the residents of Donetsk, Russian citizens, by the way, are aware of HOW they are going to be protected from shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine? It seems to me that the majority would prefer to put up with the shelling, especially those that took place BEFORE 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      1. 0
        12 February 2023 14: 13
        Tactical nuclear weapons can have a yield of less than 1 set. And it was created not in order to be afraid of it ourselves, but precisely as a replacement for the "breakthrough fist." This is the fist of modern warfare.

        It's just that smart people force non-smart people to conduct military operations in the 21st century according to the rules of a hundred years ago. And by the way, the distance from Donetsk to Avdiivka is 20 km.

        But the most important thing is different.

        How did it turn out that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were in Avdiivka, if this was contrary to the Minsk Agreements?
        Some dancers will even get in the way of their balls, not just their nuclear weapons. That is our problem, not the use of nuclear weapons.

        And in general, if you wait 8 years until Poroshenko and Zelen "arrange Ukraine" - the Lord God will not want to help such "eccentrics" ... No nuclear weapons will save from their cretins and traitors ....
        1. 0
          12 February 2023 14: 45
          I don’t agree with everything, but I appreciate the reasoned presentation of your position.
      2. -2
        13 February 2023 12: 19
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Avdiivka - which is next to Donetsk? And the residents of Donetsk, Russian citizens, by the way, are aware of HOW they are going to be protected from shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine? It seems to me that the majority would prefer to put up with the shelling, especially those that took place BEFORE 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX.

        In essence, what will a charge with a power of, for example, 0,4 kt (7 carloads of explosives) make? Yes, there will be radiation poisoning. This is a minus. How dangerous will it be for Donetsk at a distance of about 20 km? Question .... We'll have to take measures to decontaminate. But there will definitely not be tens of thousands of dead and crippled soldiers. This is a plus. Let's be direct. the point is not in danger for the residents of Donetsk, but in the fear of being punished by the West. If the hostilities took place near the borders of the United States, they would have used nuclear weapons immediately, in the first days of the conflict. Such a tiny bomb would have been fired at 0,5 kt, and the conflict would have ended the next day. hi
  36. +4
    12 February 2023 12: 25
    Lots of thought, but that's not where to start. With strict adherence to the Charter and elementary common sense, then at least there will be no stricken hostels and smashed columns. So we need to start with raising the level of training of officers and command and control. Of course, the helplessness of aviation causes particular annoyance, we have so many good cars and still nothing. And aviation could solve a lot. But, nurses in areas from cabriolet and launches of subsonic winged aircraft from their territory - this is what we can. People who are engaged in attempts to suppress dill, clearly do not understand how to do it. Moreover, it is necessary to destroy the radar, s300 and beeches - everything else shoots no higher than 4-5 km and this is no longer scary. To start bombing.
    1. +6
      12 February 2023 14: 10
      If the funds spent on one squadron, for example, the Su-34, were used to modernize existing ammunition, turning the FAB, which the arsenals are full of, into planning guided bombs, the situation would be different. But such semi-collective-farm cheap (relatively) stray can’t be shown at the parade, and at exhibitions they don’t look as epic as Iskander-daggers. As usual, spectacularity was unmistakably chosen between efficiency and spectacularity, between cheap and expensive - the most expensive (after all, kickbacks are proportional to the utilized budgets). As a result, we have what we have.
    2. +7
      12 February 2023 14: 46
      If you "accurately follow the charter" and even the military oath, then the military had to arrest Yeltsin from the morning of December 9, 1991, when he signed an illegal agreement on the liquidation of the USSR in the forest at night.
      The problem is that we all follow only orders. Even if they are ordered to shoot themselves.
  37. +4
    12 February 2023 12: 31
    I strongly disagree with the author about the complex in active defense. How can one argue that they are not needed if not one of them was used in hostilities? On the contrary, they are needed.
    The same is true for aviation and missiles, in order to use them you need to massively change and suppress air defense.
  38. +6
    12 February 2023 12: 41
    Of course, I am by no means "pro" on this issue, but some observations and conclusions have been formed.

    1) Initially, we had the wrong view of the NWO - and therefore our aviation and high-precision did not work as efficiently as they could. We had a highly sparing regime for the enemy, and most importantly, a common focus on a diplomatic settlement. In such a paradigm, the Armed Forces acted more as a "bogey", a means of occupying territory and putting pressure on the enemy, rather than a tool for inflicting critical material, economic, organizational and human damage on him.
    This paradigm lasted too long with us (and some of its elements are still alive), which allowed the enemy to learn how to use available resources and stable objects more efficiently, and most importantly, to impose on us exhausting military operations stretched out in time.

    Misunderstanding of this moment results in the incorrect thesis that "it is impossible to win a war with high-precision weapons." Can. However, this requires a different approach to its use - namely, qualitatively better intelligence (first of all, space and analytical, secondly intelligence) and the ability for highly concentrated massive use of such means in limited time periods.
    In other words, before the NMD and at its initial stages, reconnaissance determines an array of critical and important targets behind enemy lines, the defeat of which will maximally disorganize its economy, organization, transport capacity and controllability of the aircraft. These targets are "grazing" and their guaranteed defeat is being worked out (including at the expense of reserves). On "day X" and subsequent periods, calculated in a couple of days, there is a maximum use of these opportunities for, first of all, disorganization, and secondly for causing damage. But just the same in the future, high-precision devices are used as we use now - PERIODICALLY for certain important purposes.

    2) Regarding KAZs - for high-intensity databases, KAZ is an "expensive and capricious toy." And it is fully revealed NOT EVERYWHERE, not in any situation, landscape, combat mission, and so on. The enemy, knowing the features of the work of KAZs, can use this to level their advantages. Perhaps the approach in this direction should be reoriented to deal with the so-called "roof-breakers", but to protect the tank in classical projections, traditional approaches are better. Not even "better" - but more reliable for a larger volume of probable situations. It is also worth noting that such complexes are expensive, and their external elements are vulnerable to fragments, etc. Because of this, their defense capability may fall unpredictably.

    3) The author paid little attention to really important points - the insufficient level of our tactical intelligence (the same UAVs) and communications. The increased consumption of projectiles occurs where there is either no accurate data on the location and status of the target, or where an unnecessarily cumbersome decision-making cycle, leveling the advantages of operational detection. This does not mean that you need to completely switch to "Krasnopoli" and others like them - but it does mean that in classic art. units need to polish the "decision-making cycle" to an ideal state, creating a minimal "gasket" between reconnaissance and action. And of course, to make this very intelligence better.

    4) The most important conclusion for the year of the SVO could be the conclusion about the need to develop the economy and production. "Suddenly" it turned out that with hellish attempts we manage to staff even tens of thousands of volunteers and a couple of hundred "mobiles". "SUDDENLY" we found a job for the T-62 (and this is inside the world's largest tank fleet, sic!) And that the equipment of a large number of vehicles (and infantry) to put it mildly does not meet modern military requirements.
    Communications, detection systems, guidance, often even equipment.
    All this (apart from the organizational factor) rests on the economy. For many years we loved to puff out the cheeks of our "superpower readiness", but in the end, the state of affairs, even when we are not bombed by conditional NATO and the industry has been working in peaceful conditions for a year, is not impressive. Now you have to work hard to inflate as before.

    5) electronic warfare. There was a whole cult of "super electronic warfare witnesses", all these monstrous stray with huge antennas really inspired. But as a result - to "fill up" the civilian Starlink - nishmogli. So the question of the fidelity of the direction of development of electronic warfare and the expediency of injections into it - I would also note as necessary for rethinking.
    1. +3
      12 February 2023 14: 30
      Suddenly, "it turned out that with hellish attempts we manage to staff even tens of thousands of volunteers and a couple of hundred "mobiles"

      It was necessary back in March, even if mobilization was not planned, to revise the sets of uniforms and equipment and purchase the missing in China, otherwise they began to feverishly look for equipment during mobilization, these facts indicate the extremely low qualification of the leaders.
      1. +3
        12 February 2023 14: 47
        And since the leaders have remained the same, and nothing indicates a planned change in the "scenery", then there are no grounds for optimism in the foreseeable future.
    2. 0
      12 February 2023 23: 08
      Gold words! Agree on all points.
    3. -4
      13 February 2023 14: 03
      On the economy. Is it okay that our enemy is being supplied with weapons in such a way that it is just right for the Pentagon to begin to envy? Already for 100 billion dollars the cost of lend-lease for Ukraine has gone, and European generals began to complain that the tanks and guns themselves were not enough?
      About the T-62 for the SVO is just a fake. In reality, T-90s are going there ...

      About electronic warfare. EW works and not bad. The main task is not to interfere with the Starlink, but to shoot down the target designation of the enemy, to jam his radar. And Western experts wonder why such a quantity of high-precision weapons (the same "escaliburs") did not allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to achieve the expected success, and the Ukrainian soldiers, venting their anger, fire from "chimeras" at peaceful neighborhoods, not using expensive missiles for their intended purpose ...
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  40. +5
    12 February 2023 13: 21
    It would not be worthwhile at one time to reduce the number of "Caliber" by two or three times due to the five to six-fold increase in the "Geraney" fleet with "Lancets"


    What really is high time to do is to reduce the number of general positions in the Moscow Region by three times, which, as the events of the last year have shown, are mostly occupied by useless "wedding generals" careerists and frankly "not clean at hand" personalities.
    1. +3
      12 February 2023 14: 13
      Are you pursuing sacred things? There is no SMERSH on you!
  41. +3
    12 February 2023 13: 36
    Quote: U. Cheny
    Well, then, the German invasion army had 400 thousand horses, so not just trucks. And the state of automatic weapons in the Red Army was three times more than the Germans.


    Mostly trucks. There were more of them than horses, and one Opel Blitz could replace several horses.
    So then according to the state ... but how much was in fact - HZ. And if the SVT were successful, its production would not have been curtailed so quickly.
    As for machine guns, the qualitative superiority of the Germans is undoubted, and they had enough machine guns. The only thing in which they managed to surpass them was in PP (both in quality and quantity). But not right away either.
  42. 0
    12 February 2023 13: 39
    The NVO showed what the people's army decides. This means that people's control is needed over the army structures. I write a lot at VO about an independent audit by the Federal Assembly, and without this form of people's control, the army will again turn into a profanation and a game with a wunderwaffe.
    1. +1
      12 February 2023 14: 54
      We love the word "folk", but the specific content of this term is different in everyone's minds. What do you even mean by "people's" army? It seems that even now our "elites" rarely serve in it, more and more from the "deep". And if you take "Wagner", then it's from the "salt of the earth", about whom our chansonniers sing. Why not folk? And "people's control" after all, for any reason, not all the people carry out, but its specific representatives. We see the faces of these representatives during the broadcast of meetings of the State Duma and the Federal Assembly. And a lot of sense from such control? Rather, the benefit is negative - even more window dressing, beautiful pictures with whitewashed curbs and snowdrifts with cubes, what else will these "people's controllers" check? And even more time to distract personnel for all this.
      1. 0
        13 February 2023 18: 30
        Yes, here on the forum they love the word "folk" and I got infected.
        Despite the fact that we do not like the representatives in the State Duma and the Federation Council, it is independent parliamentary control that is able to correct the pupation of the army. This should be a committee of the State Duma + Federation Council with its own accounting chamber / audit block with broad powers for verification. And the appointment of the chief of the military police / military prosecutor directly by parliament.
        1. -1
          14 February 2023 15: 50
          "People's" control only works
          when there is a ban on enrichment. When it is impossible to have more than permissible benefits and this is fixed and protected by law, the "people" very clearly controls. The reason for this, I hope, is clear.
          1. +1
            18 February 2023 10: 26
            We have a lot of prohibitions on enrichment in the legislation. There are no problems with bans, but there are with selective application of laws.
    2. +1
      12 February 2023 19: 20
      Commissars in each platoon with the right to cancel an order and a legal education?
      1. 0
        13 February 2023 20: 14
        As far as I remember, the political commissars in the troops constituted an independent system of feedback to the high command along the party line. I do not know how reproducible this is in the current realities, when there are no mass parties. There must be some kind of feedback, there must be an independent soldier-command trade union, it can also be grown and subordinated to the parliament.
  43. +7
    12 February 2023 13: 45
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    in critical situations, unquestioning, instant, at the level of reflexes, the execution of the order of the commander can quite save a life


    When maintaining the database properly, the number of emergency situations is reduced dramatically.
    Discipline is still preferable to conscious, and reflexes sometimes fail. Reflex behavior is too predictable... including for the enemy (especially if he is familiar with our Field Manual).
    At the beginning of the Second World War in the Red Army, things were going brilliantly with drill training. The sock was pulled as it should be.
    But they were defeated by the Wehrmacht. At the end of the Second World War, they learned to win the right way. But experienced and experienced front-line soldiers had to be taught how to drill before the Victory Parade. Somehow this drill was forgotten during the war ... and nothing, they won.

    The drill should be reduced to a minimum. It is better to let the fighters engage in physical training and master the materiel. More benefit. The combatant is a rudiment that has remained from the time when they fought in formation, firing from muskets.
  44. +6
    12 February 2023 14: 27
    For some reason, no one paid attention to the Kharkiv region - and after all, when it was liberated at the very beginning of the operation, it would have been a mobile reserve selected from the VFU.
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 14: 57
      And if they took Kyiv, they reached Lvov, they would have completely left the Armed Forces of Ukraine without a mobile reserve. Nobody argues with that, right? They even gave Kherson back, where they immediately began mobilization, so let's talk about Kharkov and the region.
      1. +5
        12 February 2023 18: 43
        You prejudice.
        My comment was that there was no normal planning during the initial "SVO". The whole adventure consisted in a muddy change of power.
        There were no back-ups. And they could be smart about it.

        PS Although yes - my comment was not only off topic, but for the most part rhetorical.
        1. +1
          18 February 2023 10: 29
          You're right. It seems that there was originally a message to establish their power in Kyiv and make it like Minsk-2. This unconditional stupidity could appear only in conditions of uncritical development of plans, within the boundaries of a cozy "information bubble".
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    1. +4
      12 February 2023 20: 40
      If we live to see 2050, then we will blame Taburetkin for everything. Well, not Shoigu.
      1. +2
        13 February 2023 07: 00
        And those more - not his superiors. Shh!!!
  46. +4
    12 February 2023 15: 27
    Wouldn't it be worthwhile to reduce the number of "Caliber" by two or three times at the expense of a five-six-fold increase in the fleet of "Geranes" with "Lancets"?
    Were you preparing for a war with NATO, whom would you get there with Geraniums?
  47. +5
    12 February 2023 16: 05
    Quote: Jonny_Su
    The NVO showed what the people's army decides. So, behind the army structures, a people's one is needed ....

    We need people's control over all closed structures: a madhouse, a nursing home, special services, the police, the army .... But only the people don't care, until someone himself ends up in the army or in a madhouse.
  48. +10
    12 February 2023 16: 13
    To serve for big money in peacetime is still the lafa. But like war - at least quit ...
  49. -3
    12 February 2023 17: 10
    Quote: Plate
    And why should an offensive war become a domestic one?

    Because we are advancing in Ukraine, which since 1654 has been part of our Fatherland, part of Russia, and there live crazy people for the most part, but still genetically and historically our Russian people.
  50. +5
    12 February 2023 17: 59
    "we will not see the latest Armata tanks and Coalition self-propelled guns in the special operation" - if you can agree about Armata, not about the Coalition. Without a coalition, we just don't have a "long artillery arm". Especially for firing high-precision ammunition at warehouses and the accumulation of forces in the frontline rear.
  51. +2
    12 February 2023 19: 07
    Well, if professionals, and not party managers, start commanding the army, then something should change for the better. I hope that not only a new uniform, and not monotonous reading on a piece of paper in front of a bunch of empty-eyed generals will be an adornment of the future army
  52. +5
    12 February 2023 20: 12
    In fact, it is not so important in which model of combat vehicle a company or battalion goes into battle. On BMP-2 or BMP-3, on T-72B3 or T-90M

    Why is this? Maybe go on the attack with the BTR-152, since it’s so unimportant?
    Or is it simply to justify a surprisingly non-obvious thesis about
    By the way, this is why we will not see the latest Armata tanks and Coalition self-propelled guns in the special operation.

    And we thought, why aren’t there?
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  54. +6
    12 February 2023 21: 11
    Army of the post-Ukrainian future


    Post-bear skin.

    There is a complete lack of understanding by the author of what and how needs to be changed in the army. The army is, first of all, people. Not technology. The right people and existing equipment will be used as usefully as possible, and new ones will be ordered as needed. Any conversation about updating the army must begin with a conversation about updating the people. By the way, the Ukrainian Armed Forces started with this.

    When another enthusiast writes that in technology or tactics it is necessary to “change this and that,” he should first of all ask himself: “Why am I thinking about this, and not the generals in beautiful uniforms? Are they worthy of their place? "How many wars will they fight even with the right equipment and tactics?"

    When I see that the army is commanded by old men who cannot even listen to the president’s speech without falling asleep, I understand that it is not a matter of technology.
  55. +3
    12 February 2023 21: 26
    The concept of differentiated armor in the realities of a special operation turned out to be erroneous - an ideal armored vehicle from the sides should be protected only slightly less than the frontal projection.
    It is impossible to make a tank non-differential in armor, otherwise the weight of some MBT representatives will exceed one hundred tons. This will no longer be an MBT, but a heavy tank, a development branch of which has rightly ceased its development. If you just put armor on the sides, but what about the roof, military equipment and anti-tank guns that hit the upper hemisphere?
    For war with partisan groups, for example, Israelis and Palestinians, KAZ is suitable. But when the quantity and quality of anti-tank equipment exceeds all reasonable limits, active defense seems like an expensive toy.
    Quite the contrary, with the modern development of anti-tank weapons, these include ATGMs and helicopters, minefields, artillery, grenade launchers at close ranges; in these conditions, it is almost impossible for a tank to survive on the battlefield. The tank becomes an easy target and is shot at as if in a shooting gallery, without the ability to defend itself against, for example, a javelin whose crew you can try to find in a forest plantation. A long, expensive technological cycle for the production of a vehicle, and then a battlefield on which the vehicle burns out like a match in the first minutes of the attack. KAZ is simply a necessity today, it just has to be there now. Yes, this increases the cost of the car, and there will be technical problems. But everything can be solved, the technology can be improved, optimized and developed further.
    Of course, it is worth noting the conditions for using tanks. If there are electronic warfare systems capable of effectively fighting reconnaissance drones, blinding the enemy, there are reconnaissance means (satellite, technical, UAVs) and target designation with corresponding high-precision artillery ammunition and tactical-level missile systems capable of counter-batterying the enemy, then this is a completely different level of war. All this, in turn, requires means of modern communications and control, and professionalism of the military. Here we have come to the point that the army must be professional and therefore contractual with a normal modern training system.
    1. +3
      12 February 2023 22: 46
      KAZ will return the tank to its main purpose - a breakthrough weapon. You can approach the enemy with less fear. And the function of artillery support should be performed by the self-propelled guns themselves, and not by tanks. The same Nona, from a safe distance, will cope with this task much better than a tank. The most annoying thing is that there is complete silence around KAZ. Although there are already ready-made solutions, there are modular arenas. In a year, the SVO could have been brought to perfection, really, but radars in Russia can do it.
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  57. +6
    12 February 2023 22: 15
    A cardboard army led by cardboard generals. Nobody, anywhere, was going to fight with anyone, at most to drive the barmalei. Everything else was fun troops in public, made a couple of waffles. After the start of the war, it became clear who we are and what we are. The army was killed at the stool, cardboard camouflaged the agony in the form of parades, reports, uniforms and strikeballs. The theft, cutting and sloppiness have not gone away, they have simply been packaged in a beautiful wrapper.
    1. +2
      13 February 2023 18: 26
      Quote: canurodes
      The army was killed at the stool

      Earlier. The furniture maker accepted an army in which divisions of constant combat readiness could field a battalion from a regiment (and the platoons of this battalion had 17-20 people each) and went into battle using equipment of not just the previous, but the generation before last.
      Moreover, in this army there were 300 officers, but in the echelon from the battalion and below, out of ten officers there was only one regular officer, the rest were jackets and sergeants.
      And the training of these officers was so good that they did not know how to use standard communications - "he has several networks deployed, but he still talks on his cell phone"© conference on the results of 08.08.08 at the Academy named after the first horseman.
      1. 0
        13 February 2023 20: 08
        It is very strange that after 15 years the habit of chatting on a cell phone has not been eliminated. Neither under Serdyukov, nor under Shoigu.
        1. 0
          14 February 2023 11: 13
          Quote: Jonny_Su
          It is very strange that after 15 years the habit of chatting on a cell phone has not been eliminated. Neither under Serdyukov, nor under Shoigu.

          It was not even possible to get rid of it in the People’s Militia, after 8 years in combat conditions.
          This is a peacetime cost when troops operate within the coverage area of ​​base stations. Accordingly, there is no need to wait for communication to develop (especially taking into account the Ministry of Defense’s love for staffing auxiliary units, in its opinion), there is no need to bother with studying and maintaining equipment, there is no need to pervert if you need not just to talk, but to send a document or photo /video. Plus known problems with standard communications - with the same shortage of the "Azart" system.
          1. 0
            18 February 2023 10: 31
            No, no, this was far from a question of the NM corps, they were just getting rid of such squalor (reading Murza). This is politics from above.
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    1. +1
      12 February 2023 23: 23
      Precision weapons do not necessarily have to depend on GPS for coordinates. These include laser gyroscopes in self-propelled guns and correction of ammunition on a downward trajectory based on target illumination by the same drone. In the event of nuclear strikes, GPS most likely will not be eliminated - they hang too high, but communication with satellites will not work, yes.
      The entire history of wars has so far followed the path of lengthening the combat distance from punches to missiles. Work is underway to create civil and dual-use electronics on a non-silicon basis (from diamonds to vacuum tubes only at a new technological level) that will be fully operational in a nuclear conflict (it is clear that not at the epicenter of the explosion, there you need to have time to stretch your arms forward with a machine gun so as not to dirty the official property with melted AK). It is possible to destroy the Starlink, but with a high degree of probability, everyone else in those orbits will also have to stop working. Tanks, however, like artillery and like other types of weapons, are of course necessary. It’s just that apparently - I don’t know - our electronic warfare systems, as well as means of protection against enemy air defense, were tested on our systems and somehow they tested it, and it turned out the way it did.... Of course, we can theoretically assume that ours do not want to reveal our capabilities, but on the other hand On the other hand, why the hell do you need a weapon that doesn’t shoot when it’s supposed to shoot?
    2. +2
      13 February 2023 12: 41
      Quote: E_V_N
      Does the author really assume that in the event of a global conflict, both Starlink and GPS will not be eliminated, and reconnaissance planes will not be shot down?

      Come down to earth. We cannot destroy the bridges with “high-precision” missiles, but you want to land the satellites. Odessa region, Zatoka, they have already tried to disable the bridge 4 times. I hope the last blow was effective. We’ll be grounded by Rogozin’s tweets or by the smart face of Borisov, who replaced him. Most likely, if there are any anti-satellite (Nudol is a very expensive missile to destroy one Starlink satellite, and there are already thousands of them) means, then they are all in single copies, to be shown to the president (like the Coalition, new armored personnel carriers, drones, Armada, communications and etc). I hope I'm wrong!
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  60. +6
    12 February 2023 23: 27
    I think the striped ones would have shown exactly how to take Bakhmut with minor losses, and not fight head-to-head. They would hang several satellites for target designation of Chimeras or similar weapons, knock out all air defense systems within a radius of 150 km, and jam all frequencies for long-range air defense systems with jammers. Then the bombing was carried out not with cast iron, but with guided ammunition from a height of more than 5 km. To neutralize the Stingers - night raids of the Apaches with their 5th generation night vision devices, armed with Helfires when targeting drones. There would be absolutely no supply for the ukrov group at all, along all roads. Without supplies and ammunition, even cyborgs cannot fight. This is what is called a modern army. And what we see now in the Northern Military District is the courage of the guys on the front line and the battles of the First World War.
  61. +3
    12 February 2023 23: 34
    Much more important are "situational awareness, efficiency and rationality of delegating the rights to use weapons, adaptability of control, activity, efficiency, training, coherence and experience of personnel."

    I already hesitated to write on this topic.... everything that is described above is a bunch of verbal garbage, the Americans decades ago called it briefly and clearly: “OODA” CYCLE EVERYTHING!!!. One indicator is TIME. The one whose cycle time is shorter wins. Therefore, everything unnecessary is thrown away. It is applicable to absolutely any process - combat, production, management, etc. But someone will have the crown to study the experience of the enemy, they need to discover America 100500 times, find a bunch of alternative words to describe the same thing))) Well, yes, as usual, this is different, you don’t understand))) they have their cycle, but we have: “situational awareness, efficiency and rationality of delegation of rights to use weapons, control adaptability, activity, efficiency, training, coherence and experience of personnel” - we are paid for the number of characters in the document)))
    ZY This is not to the author of the article, this is to the General Staff and those who are responsible for developing algorithms for maintaining the database.
  62. 0
    13 February 2023 00: 43
    Quote: Plate
    I wonder if some Nimitz or Gerald Ford would have been built by amateurs? Maybe they will master at least the Dreadnought?

    Strelkov is not a professional.
    And all the scumbags in stripes with hero stars who have been ruling the SVO from the very beginning are like professionals.
  63. +2
    13 February 2023 00: 43
    Army of the post-Ukrainian future

    Don’t you think that before the “post-Ukrainian future” there will be so many more events related to the topic of this post that the conclusions will have to be revised several times?
    1. 0
      13 February 2023 06: 08
      They will definitely draw conclusions... but, as always, they will be archived and safely forgotten, this is always the case with us, it is enough to remember any military conflict in which our army participated (the army of the Ingushetia, the SA and the army of the Russian Federation). sad
  64. 0
    13 February 2023 00: 54
    Quote: cmax
    I think the striped ones would have shown exactly how to take Bakhmut with minor losses, and not fight head-to-head.

    Yes, any 14-year-old zvizdyuk there would have planned and carried out this operation no worse than mattress makers.
    But the “professionals” in stripes.....
  65. -3
    13 February 2023 01: 24
    The new armored vehicles of the Russian army will inevitably become heavier and get rid of the ability to swim.


    floating and landing equipment will not go anywhere and will develop. Rejecting it will be a disaster for any army.

    Aviation never became the driving force of the offensive.


    aviation was and is the driving force of both offensive and defense. Attack aircraft and fighters with combat helicopters support our infantry around the clock and thwart attempts at attacks and breakthroughs of the enemy. They especially proved themselves to be the main force during the liquidation of numerous attempts by Ukrainian landing forces to capture the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant.

    By the way, this is why we will not see the latest Armata tanks and Coalition self-propelled guns in the special operation.


    "Armata" has been undergoing combat tests in the Northern Military District zone for several months now, but there is no "Coalition" because only 12 units were produced. For example, the "Armata" tank was produced over 30 units.
  66. +1
    13 February 2023 01: 37
    military experts and analysts rushed to rewrite textbooks on the basics of combat, as well as many laws related to this.... in general, it happens “as always” - after getting hit in the face....
  67. +1
    13 February 2023 07: 49
    Oh, a lot, a lot of beeches... Or letters? In comments on military topics, the same “technical” awareness is gradually giving way to the “social factor.” And yet, what kind of “post-Ukrainian” army is it? Well, please tell me, is the financial factor, which is so clearly present in the Northern Military District, really not so important? I am addressing those who took part in preserving the integrity of the country and its interests from 1994 to 2015 (Syria, more or less). I bet that now a huge layer of commentators will rush to “remember” the mighty Soviet Army, exceptionally ideological, motivated and universal. Or maybe it's a matter of arithmetic? Maybe if not 65 billion dollars a year, but 80 (2% of GDP according to PPP) and not 300 thousand in the infantry, but 650-700 thousand (and less retinue personnel), then everything would be fine? Maybe the trend towards the revival of lightweight military departments in universities and technical schools with sergeant graduation is absolutely correct? Maybe the future really lies in universal military training, even for non-combatants starting from the age of 23-24 (three to four weeks paid to the employer and through him to the cadet every two years until the age of 32)? A fairly acceptable option for preparing the third echelon of the “doomsday”. The army must be professional. Otherwise it won't be high quality. Does monetary motivation replace moral motivation? What are you doing, dear ones? Do you think a poor soldier will fight better than a pro who doesn’t care about his social rear and quietly serves for 15-20 years (maybe fighting) for his homeland before retirement? Universal conscription is a natural necessity for reserve training. Without a doubt, the SVO showed that as the conflict developed, the factor of manpower was not “covered by drones,” but only increased its importance. Just like tanks. Artillery. The Aerospace Forces may not demonstrate their effectiveness in the Northern Military District, but they managed to do it in Syria. It seems to me that “network-centric concepts”, “drone domination”, “the theory of ultra-small groups” are all still part of a single concept of destruction. And all the shouts from the place about “warriors of the past” repeat Douhet’s theory with the same shouts. And the “Tukhachevsky theory” with 100 thousand mobilization tanks. Be careful, fellow citizens. We would not throw out the role of the fighter on the front line and the commander as the true center of decision-making from the high-tech trough. We see all this at SVO. I suggest not going to extremes, but carefully filing “new items” in the “interesting” folder and forming the right questions in the “to do” folder.
  68. 0
    13 February 2023 14: 08
    Every war of the Russian/Soviet army always does not start as the strategists planned, and the war is not what the army prepared for. It begins with disasters, and failures and defeats:
    WWII,
    Afghanistan,
    Chechnya
    now Ukraine, for which NATO is still actually fighting...
    Again we have to draw conclusions, learn and rebuild as the fighting progresses
    1. +1
      13 February 2023 15: 35
      You seem to have forgotten the invasion of Napoleon. Or is the surrender of Moscow to the French not a disaster? There is no need to pretend that all of Russia’s failures begin in October 1917.
    2. 0
      13 February 2023 19: 20
      In my opinion, there is no relationship at all between the beginning and the result, let’s say in Afghanistan they just started very vigorously, but later problems began and this became one of the main reasons why the USSR collapsed so quickly and easily (the army elite lost its former influence and prestige, in contrast, the party elite began to divide the country). The First World War badly battered the economy, resulting in defeat and a revolution (even two), the Russian-Japanese war started relatively well, but ended in defeat, and was also followed by a revolution, although not as radical as the Bolsheviks staged.
      1. 0
        13 February 2023 21: 39
        I’ll tell you the news (hello to the students of Sorov’s textbooks), the Bolsheviks, by and large, did not organize a revolution and did not overthrow the tsar, they simply “picked up” power in a country that, in fact, no longer existed, and the Soviets already existed long before October.
        1. 0
          14 February 2023 16: 37
          It was the Bolsheviks who staged a real revolution, with a change in the ruling elites, political system, economic structure, etc. And Februaryskaya, against the backdrop of Oktyabrskaya, is a revolution, one might say.
  69. +1
    13 February 2023 16: 01
    Starlink...Ha! Russia will not have an equivalent to this space connection for a long time, and maybe never. Our trampolines are of the wrong system.
  70. +2
    13 February 2023 18: 21
    The campaign also showed that the qualitative composition of the army and weapons matters, and it was critical omissions in communications, reconnaissance, interaction between military branches, and all kinds of logistics support that led to the current so-so results. How to overcome this in the Beautiful Army of the Future while maintaining the existing control system is the question.
    It’s very strange about KAZ (it wasn’t useful because it didn’t exist), forum users have already noted above.
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  72. 0
    13 February 2023 21: 31
    “Iron” can still be quickly cobbled together, borrowed, taken away, and even quite usable “garbage” in the taiga, if you search, you can scrape together enough for more than one full-fledged army corps. The question is, who will exploit this “scrap metal” and how? With mob registration and a trained mob reserve, it looks like we are clearly under strain. After the harem of an “effective furniture production manager” and a “construction engineer” frolicked in military construction, to put it mildly, the scientific and military-educational system was also a complete mess, after with passion and enthusiasm, left and right, they destroyed the most famous and effective scientific educational institutions, schools and academies, research institutes, scientific, methodological and teaching staff were thrown out into the street. There are a lot of plans, districts, army corps and divisions, the question is, where to get officer command staff, junior command staff, if there is now a catastrophic shortage of company-battalion levels, i.e. basics of the aircraft. It can be destroyed in a few years, having received the much-desired areas in cities and ancient buildings, but restoration requires decades and amounts incommensurate with the scanty one-time benefit, and it is far from a fact that this can be achieved. This casts doubt on the reality of the plans of our “gifted aksakals”, who very likely have been living in other realities for a long time, with difficulty imagining how neglected and murdered everything is in the country after their activities and crazy “reforms” bordering on direct sabotage, a crime against the state , again no one is to blame. As one of the temporary solutions, attracting officers, junior commanders of the reserve and retired, removing age restrictions, maximizing the requirements for their physical training and the military medical commission, creating the most attractive conditions for serving, accelerated retraining, obtaining regular military ranks and pension provision etc. and so on. These measures will significantly reduce the shortage of command officers, especially headquarters, command posts, etc. regimental and divisional levels, repair units and support units, teaching staff in reconstructed educational institutions, at least for the first few years, allowing them to quickly prepare a shift and ensure continuity. You will have to spend a lot of money (hi to Kudrin), you have to pay for stupidity and betrayal, otherwise everything will not be happy and the “cancerous tumor” will not resolve by itself.
  73. 0
    13 February 2023 21: 41
    Let's look at the example of an attacking motorized infantry unit. In fact, it is not so important in which model of a combat vehicle a company or battalion goes into battle. On the BMP-2 or BMP-3, on the T-72B3 or T-90M.
    I absolutely disagree with the author. There is a significant difference in both examples mentioned. There are quite a lot of excellent reviews about the use of the BMP-3 and the advantage to the BMP-2 is very significant. BMP-3 is simply not enough. In total, at the beginning of the operation there were about 700 units in all armies. At least 2000 BMP-3s would significantly change the picture of combat operations. The same situation applies to the T-90. About the Coalition it’s completely ridiculous. This self-propelled gun has superiority over all artillery units. enemy systems. But they simply don't exist. in the troops, although in 2021 the delivery of the first experimental batch was reported. It is impossible to find information about the state of affairs with the Coalition.
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  75. 0
    14 February 2023 09: 12
    Quote: UAZ 452
    And if they took Kyiv, they reached Lvov, they would have completely left the Armed Forces of Ukraine without a mobile reserve. Nobody argues with that, right? They even gave Kherson back, where they immediately began mobilization, so let's talk about Kharkov and the region.


    Sure? What then? And then - guerrilla warfare in our rear, which the Banderlogs mastered to perfection. And what should we do with hundreds of thousands or even millions of stubborn Nazis? Will we put you in prisons and camps? Or will we arrange mass executions for them? Denazification through re-education? Will it work? Or how?

    The only way to really clear these lands of Nazis is by physically destroying them. Alas, everything else is half measures that can give only temporary results.
  76. 0
    14 February 2023 18: 55
    Well, firstly, the concept that a “small in number, compact contract army” alone would trash the mobilized army has completely collapsed. As we see, this “compact army” had to be saved by mobilization.
    Secondly, the army has been preparing for 20 years to fight against the “barmalei” whose most powerful weapon is a recoilless rifle on a pickup truck. To fight in conditions when the enemy is firing thousands of large-caliber artillery shells and MLRS missiles at you, when hundreds and thousands of armored vehicles have not been trained at all.
    Thirdly, everything larger than the notorious BTG was anathema. The apologists of the “compact army” muttered through their lips that your divisions are no good, they are bulky and clumsy and are not capable of acting against small mobile detachments of “international terrorists”. Those. the army was actually reduced to police functions.
    Fourthly, large artillery formations were anathema. All the same apologists of the “compact army” were saying, are you going to fight with “civilized” countries? Where have you seen international terrorists have tens of kilometers of fortification lines? They say that one division per brigade is enough. And now we see that there is a catastrophic lack of artillery to solve the single task of simultaneously suppressing enemy defenses on a wide front and to great depth. And also for conducting counter-battery warfare. The counter-battery fight was a complete failure.
    Fifthly, the apologists of the “compact army” anathematized the need for a large air force. They say that this “despicable scoop” needed half a thousand Su-24s, 600-700 Su-17s and MiG-27s, and about a thousand Su-25s. A “compact army” from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka needs one hundred Su-34s and one and a half hundred Su-25s and the same number of Su-35s. Are you going to fight with “civilized” countries that have air forces? - the apologists of the “compact army” asked contemptuously. Aviation must prepare to fight exclusively against “international terrorists.” As a result, even 1/3 of the Wehrmacht's air defense survived and grounded our aircraft. Since even small losses of materiel lead to the undermining of the combat effectiveness of the Aerospace Forces units.
  77. 0
    14 February 2023 19: 23
    We go further.
    It was the small number of aviation that became the reason for its defeat in the confrontation with the air defense of the Wehrmacht. And there is no need to talk about NATO intelligence.
    With the appropriate number of aircraft, it would be possible to conduct air operations. When the strike would be carried out not by 2-4 aircraft, but by a hundred or more. This would make it possible to form air defense suppression groups, demonstration groups, and strike groups.
    We laugh at pin.dos, but Soviet air defense systems in Vietnam forced them to develop quite effective tactics for breaking through layered air defense.
    Yes, there were losses, but when there are 400-500 fighters, fighter-bombers and attack aircraft in service, then the loss of 5-8 aircraft of each type during an air operation is not critical, and the damage inflicted on the enemy compensates for the losses suffered many times over.
    As for reconnaissance means. The fact that NATO is not directly involved in hostilities plays into the hands of the Wehrmacht. Otherwise, the orbital group would have been destroyed by the end of the first day of the war. And AWACS aircraft would become primary targets for fighters with missiles with a range of 300-400 km.
    It is not necessary to shoot down all the satellites. Missile weapons with sacrificial thermonuclear blocks will work perfectly against them. Light radiation will destroy the spacecraft's orientation sensors, they will lose stabilization, and the gamma-neutron flux will burn out the electronic components.
    Well, in the absence of the cosmic eye and the enormous difficulties in the operation of AWACS aircraft, conditions immediately arise for the creation of powerful army groups to break through enemy defenses on a narrow section of the front.
    And the enemy, without his space bells and whistles - navigation, communications, the Internet - will be forced to return to the old methods of communication: HF and VHF radio stations and wired communications.
    In general, the North Military District showed that the “compact contract army,” which had been preparing for years for war exclusively against “international terrorists,” turned out to be ineffective in the fight against a regular army, even if it was somewhat inferior in technical equipment.
    Well, I’ll saddle my favorite horse. An army will NEVER be able to win a war if it is not allowed to fight according to the laws of the art of war: destroying not only the enemy on the battlefield, but also his industrial potential and communications. The army is doomed to failure if it is forced to be guided not by military expediency, but by the interests of business groups.
  78. +1
    15 February 2023 19: 02
    “Iron” can still be quickly cobbled together, borrowed, taken away, and even quite usable “garbage” in the taiga, if you search, you can scrape together enough for more than one full-fledged army corps. The question is, who will exploit this “scrap metal” and how? With mob registration and a trained mob reserve, it looks like we are clearly under strain. After the harem of an “effective furniture production manager” and a “construction engineer” frolicked in military construction, to put it mildly, the scientific and military-educational system was also a complete mess, after with passion and enthusiasm, left and right, they destroyed the most famous and effective scientific educational institutions, schools and academies, research institutes, scientific, methodological and teaching staff were thrown out into the street. There are a lot of plans, districts, army corps and divisions, the question is, where to get officer command staff, junior command staff, if there is now a catastrophic shortage of company-battalion levels, i.e. basics of the aircraft. It can be destroyed in a few years, having received the much-desired areas in cities and ancient buildings, but restoration requires decades and amounts incommensurate with the scanty one-time benefit, and it is far from a fact that this can be achieved. This casts doubt on the reality of the plans of our “gifted aksakals”, who very likely have been living in other realities for a long time, with difficulty imagining how neglected and murdered everything is in the country after their activities and crazy “reforms” bordering on direct sabotage, a crime against the state , again no one is to blame. As one of the temporary solutions, attracting officers, junior commanders of the reserve and retired, removing age restrictions, maximizing the requirements for their physical training and the military medical commission, creating the most attractive conditions for serving, accelerated retraining, obtaining regular military ranks and pension provision etc. and so on. These measures will significantly reduce the shortage of command officers, especially headquarters, command posts, etc. regimental and divisional levels, repair units and support units, teaching staff in reconstructed educational institutions, at least for the first few years, allowing them to quickly prepare a shift and ensure continuity. Problems can only arise with specific specialists, such as flight crews, reconnaissance and special units, where high demands are placed on physical fitness and health. You will have to spend a lot of money (hi to Kudrin), you have to pay for stupidity and betrayal, otherwise everything will not be happy and the “cancerous tumor” will not resolve by itself.
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  80. 0
    21 February 2023 03: 56
    Quote from DefenderofTruth
    Only the officer corps should be professional, and everyone should be able to fight, regardless of gender and age.
    Cancel only the draft or make the term of service a year and almost no one in the country, in the event of mobilization, will not be able to know which side to hold a rifle, not to mention more complex weapons.
    That is, an absolutely untrained, helpless and useless reserve.
    Always in the history of mankind, the army of mercenaries lost the wars of the army of patriots (Punic wars of Rome and Carthage, the US War of Independence)

    It is beautifully said about patriots and mercenaries, but in reality everything is somewhat different, Hannibal’s army of mercenaries defeated the army of Roman patriots in all battles except one, in the Battle of Zama the Numidian mercenaries decided the outcome in favor of Rome) In the American War of Independence in England there was no mercenary, and the recruit army, well, in the European wars of the 15-17th century, the Swiss mercenaries were beyond competition, only the Spaniards were cooler, but they were also mercenaries, no patriots stood next to them, the victory of the Netherlands in the war of independence from Spain was also ensured by mercenaries. ..
  81. 0
    21 February 2023 04: 01
    Quote: Timur_kz
    To draw conclusions on KAZ, they must first be available! Has anyone seen at least one Arena on a tank? Both Stugna and Kornet are not the fastest missiles, the Arena could handle them. There were so many videos of how our equipment was being attacked with Stugnoy and other anti-tank missiles... I’m shocked at how frivolously they treat KAZ and stubbornly refuse to develop this topic! Are you going to defend the DZ as the upper hemisphere, author? Does the DZ hold tandem ammunition?

    KAZ is expensive, and besides, it seems like the military had a lot of complaints about the Arena, but the most important thing is it’s expensive.
  82. 0
    21 February 2023 04: 24
    Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
    We go further.
    It was the small number of aviation that became the reason for its defeat in the confrontation with the air defense of the Wehrmacht. And there is no need to talk about NATO intelligence.
    With the appropriate number of aircraft, it would be possible to conduct air operations. When the strike would be carried out not by 2-4 aircraft, but by a hundred or more. This would make it possible to form air defense suppression groups, demonstration groups, and strike groups.
    We laugh at pin.dos, but Soviet air defense systems in Vietnam forced them to develop quite effective tactics for breaking through layered air defense.
    Yes, there were losses, but when there are 400-500 fighters, fighter-bombers and attack aircraft in service, then the loss of 5-8 aircraft of each type during an air operation is not critical, and the damage inflicted on the enemy compensates for the losses suffered many times over.
    As for reconnaissance means. The fact that NATO is not directly involved in hostilities plays into the hands of the Wehrmacht. Otherwise, the orbital group would have been destroyed by the end of the first day of the war. And AWACS aircraft would become primary targets for fighters with missiles with a range of 300-400 km.
    It is not necessary to shoot down all the satellites. Missile weapons with sacrificial thermonuclear blocks will work perfectly against them. Light radiation will destroy the spacecraft's orientation sensors, they will lose stabilization, and the gamma-neutron flux will burn out the electronic components.
    Well, in the absence of the cosmic eye and the enormous difficulties in the operation of AWACS aircraft, conditions immediately arise for the creation of powerful army groups to break through enemy defenses on a narrow section of the front.
    And the enemy, without his space bells and whistles - navigation, communications, the Internet - will be forced to return to the old methods of communication: HF and VHF radio stations and wired communications.
    In general, the North Military District showed that the “compact contract army,” which had been preparing for years for war exclusively against “international terrorists,” turned out to be ineffective in the fight against a regular army, even if it was somewhat inferior in technical equipment.
    Well, I’ll saddle my favorite horse. An army will NEVER be able to win a war if it is not allowed to fight according to the laws of the art of war: destroying not only the enemy on the battlefield, but also his industrial potential and communications. The army is doomed to failure if it is forced to be guided not by military expediency, but by the interests of business groups.

    But you forget that NATO will have a fighter fleet several times larger and most of the aircraft will be more recent...
  83. 0
    21 February 2023 12: 58
    In the USSR, such military equipment was called peacetime equipment... maximally adapted for production at civilian enterprises... But our “helmsman” thought otherwise... By the way, there is a war, and on TV they continue to spew lies about my Motherland.. And they are they waiting for patriotism? Don’t be ridiculous. The enemies are surrounded by Putin... and you need to get rid of them using the most radical method... And they boldly walk around in blue suits and blue ties... You don’t even need to look for them...
  84. 0
    25 February 2023 15: 13
    It made me laugh - KAZ looks like an expensive toy, because it doesn’t exist and there’s no need for it, and there’s no need for it... it’s expensive, but what’s the same as Arena, Afghanistan, they were promoted from every angle? So the main thing is, is it expensive or ineffective?
    Does it matter what to go into battle with - BMP-2 or BMP-3? And to explain the thesis, a certain set of nonsense... The next stage can be expected to prove why it is better to go into battle without any equipment at all, with an RPG-7 instead of a Kornet and a PPSh instead of an AK?