Financial Times: The West is constantly crossing its own "red lines" in the supply of arms to Ukraine

It has already become obvious that Kyiv's Western allies are trying to supply it with ever more powerful and modern weapons.

According to the Financial Times newspaper, Western countries are increasingly breaking the "red lines" that they themselves set. At the same time, the publication notes that it is unlikely that the West will stop something in the issue of supplying fighter jets to Kyiv, despite the danger of an escalation of the conflict.

The nature of the supply of Western weapons to change depending on the needs of Kyiv on the battlefield, writes the Financial Times. This led to the fact that Western countries often decided to send something to Kyiv weapon, which had not been considered before, the newspaper notes. Recall that Kyiv is supplied with HIMARS missile systems, Patriot air defense systems and much more, and in the spring we should expect Western Tanks and wing bombs.

However, as you know, the Ukrainian authorities are asking the West for combat aircraft. But at this stage they are not ready to cross this “red line”. But how long is the West ready to restrain itself in this regard?..

At the same time, a number of Western experts believe that the constant violation by the West of its own "red lines" is dictated precisely by the changing needs of Ukraine, although a high assessment of a possible escalation in relations with Russia continues to be maintained. Given this approach, we can assume that when Kyiv needs aircraft at the front, the West will again forget about its taboo and still put it - just like the issue was resolved with the supply of first NATO artillery, and then tanks.

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[Bomb]

Not your own, but erases the red lines drawn by the RF.

[ivan1979nkl]

erases the red lines drawn by RF

it's time to understand that they don't have any red lines. They climb in all sorts of ways through lines of any color to achieve their goals.

[credo]

I don't recall that the NATO countries set "red lines" for themselves, and we didn't seem to draw them anywhere.
Empty talk, stupid negotiations and useless persuasion go sideways for Russia every time, when instead of strengthening the defense of its country, it begins to be caught on hypothetical "red lines" and hope in the sincere repentance of the enemy.

But it is enough to recall the demilitarization of Germany after the 1st World War, the "neutrality" of Sweden and Switzerland during the 2nd World War, and the obligation not to have armed forces in Japan after the 2nd World War, to understand that there is no system of coercion in the world countries that violate their obligations, and therefore the mythical "red lines" mean nothing.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Yes, the trouble is that someone's, at best, political naivety and, as a result, a belated / inferior reaction sets up the whole country. What could be stopped in the embryo grows into a huge tumor, consistently, starting from 2014, the trend continues, conclusions (with a leading reaction) are not made.

that there is no system in the world for coercion of countries that violate their obligations
What is it about. To rely in such a situation on oral agreements and even someone's signature, one must not have a head at all.

[Mavrikiy]

Financial Times: The West is constantly crossing its own "red lines" in the supply of arms to Ukraine

Why not? The West himself draws them and immediately moves on, his game is like that. I put the first cartridge, I already crossed the line, oh gun, oh shell, oh gun, armored personnel carrier, mercenaries, oh tank, oh western tank ...... and there is a lot more Airplanes, submarines, corvettes ... nuclear weapons .. . And it looks like we don't mind. It's time to warn that we will sink the ships. This will be our red line.

[bk316]

Why not? The West himself draws them and immediately moves on, his game is like that.

That's it. After all, what is the "red line"? This is when the opposing side speaks. "If you do this and that, we will do something that has not been done before"
Did not have such statements from the Russian Federation about the supply of weapons by the West. So it is they who draw the lines themselves, and the people hawala, including here on VO.

This is a topic about ships, BUT the main thing is really drown. By the way, the answer does not have to be symmetrical. For example, you can blow up the transatlantic cables. Damn protect them.

[Alexandr2637]

However, as you know, the Ukrainian authorities are asking the West for combat aircraft. But at this stage they are not ready to cross this “red line”. But how long is the West ready to restrain itself in this regard?

We have already agreed to supply aircraft and long-range weapons.

[know]

I see no reason why they should act differently. They have long been convinced that Putin will continue to supply them with strategic goods at the prices indicated to him, the oligarchs will continue to transfer money to Western banks, and in the event of a second wave of mobilization, another half a million people will flee Russia.

[igorbrsv]

And why do you have everywhere like a saying?

. Putin will continue to supply them with strategic goods at the prices indicated to him, the oligarchs will continue to transfer money to Western banks

And where did the previous half a million people flee during the mobilization?

[kor1vet1974]

The West will again forget about its taboo and still put it - in the same way as the issue was resolved with the supply of first NATO artillery, and then tanks.

And it started - then with Javelins and UAVs, in fact, so ... with little things ... Supply of weapons on credit? Or for cash? If for cash, "where does the money come from, Zin?" (c)

[VLR]

Why money? Western leaders are now recycling junk free of charge, placing orders for the production of modern weapons at defense plants. The military-industrial complex of Western countries writhes in continuous orgasms. And the military-industrial lobby will not allow to stop this war, which is so beneficial to them. Fortunately, the majority of Ukrainians fully agree to dispose of the junk supplied to them, even at the cost of their own lives.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: kor1vet1974

And it started - then with Javelins and UAVs, in fact, so .. with little things ..

It started with first aid kits and helmets. "Non-lethal weapon".
Now they don't even remember it. And we sit and wonder - when there will be tactical nuclear weapons. Not WILL OR NOT, namely WHEN.

[rocket757]

Financial Times: The West is constantly crossing its own "red lines" in the supply of arms to Ukraine

. Come on, what red lines they have and so on ... they have a PURPOSE, all means are good to fulfill it. The only way.

[DefenderofTruth]

Smart people have long said: "where wealth is, there is your heart"

[igorbrsv]

Cool. A photo of some dude and a comment from one of the VO readers. Who did?
And why should we?

[Aron Finkilstein]

Mr. Brzezinski was a hundred times right! If Russian money is in the West, if practically all Russian business is oriented towards the West, then there can be no question of any successful serious confrontation with this very West.
It is necessary to start with the total nationalization of the Russian elite, with the forced return to Russia of all the funds and other assets withdrawn from it, and then carry out any forceful actions ...

[rotmistr60]

The United States and its "allies" have bet too much on this conflict and have already spent money to refuse to continue arming the Kyiv regime today. Supplies will begin to dry up only when it becomes completely clear to the West that Ukraine has lost unconditionally in this conflict.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rotmistr60

Supplies will begin to dry up only when it becomes completely clear to the West that Ukraine has lost in this conflict unconditionally.

Rather, when the "price of the issue" - the destruction of Russia - becomes too high for the West.
Judging by the fact that they poured seven trillion into the destruction of Iraq, they will not regret the money soon. 50-100-200 lards of their green paper - yes, for the destruction of Russia, this is not a price at all.
The GDP tells us that "we have not really started to fight yet," but they have not yet begun to pay properly.

[Synoid]

What are the allies of the United States, do not tell. The task of the United States is to weaken the Russian Federation and destroy Europe, eliminating economic competitors. For them, both Ukrainians and Poles are one thing - consumables.

[I dare to_notice_]

Impunity is what drives the so-called. "West".
And the "West" is not to blame for this.

[rotkiv04]

if the Kremlin allows them to do this, then why not go over, it’s just that the Kremlin’s geostrategist turned out to be a paper supreme

[igorbrsv]

And who did you appoint as paper supreme?

[DefenderofTruth]

The Kremlin's red lines are buried deep in bank vaults in London, New York and Zurich.

[Expert2023]

Quote: Bomb

Not your own, but erases the red lines drawn by the RF.

Russia decided the issue of its Red Lines on the morning of February 24, 2022 wake up

[bombaher]

Fuck what they decide.
What is our leadership expecting? Why don’t they hit hard and powerfully on railway bridges, bridges, the leadership of the Reich, don’t they shoot down NATO drones and satellites over the Black Sea over the NWO zone, etc.?

[igorbrsv]

I don't know why your management doesn't do this. I don’t understand why the articles are different, but you all have the same set of words:
strong, powerful, bridges, Reich, satellites, red lines, oligarchs, their children, supreme (who, by the way, no one answered, didn’t write to you chtoli)

[alexey_444]

What lines? it's a game of who's shodding whom while the west is losing, instead of stingers like in Afghanistan you have to fork out for tanks and this is just the beginning. Orcs, of course, can be taught to fight for food, but the Afghans, who could fight all day on one rice cake, are far away. And the infrastructure, the villages are one thing at best with a generator, in the dill of the city, yes, you can not repair anything for a couple of years, but the orcs have not invested anything for 30 years. The economy will collapse at a rapid pace. Bendera terrorists can still be maintained, but a full-fledged army is already becoming expensive. Europe will still need to keep in mind that the Roman Empire was destroyed by the tribes hired to protect it in the occupied territories. Given the mentality of the orcs, the oppression of refugees by Europeans is still backfired, America and the British are far away.

[Expert2023]

Quote from bombaher

Fuck what they decide.
What is our leadership expecting? Why don’t they hit hard and powerfully on railway bridges, bridges, the leadership of the Reich, don’t they shoot down NATO drones and satellites over the Black Sea over the NWO zone, etc.?

??? What are you about? Our air defense works fine at 99 out of 100
With the rest - I think the management knows better

[BAI]

The West has no red lines. They will supply everything, including nuclear weapons. It is the matter of time. They are only held back by fear of retaliation. There will be no blow, so they go step by step. The issue of aircraft will be discussed at Ramstein-9. And Ukraine will receive them. Russia draws the red lines and cowardly moves them herself. Solovyov, pro-Kremlin propagandists are already openly laughing: "What will Russia do in response to the destruction of gas pipelines?" - "Draw another red line."

[DefenderofTruth]

The West does not cross red lines - it just moves them closer and closer to Moscow!

[Ghost1]

They don't have their own lines, they just check ours how deep this red line is. At first there was a little prayer, then they realized that the line seemed bottomless and it was possible to raise rates. But the drawers of the red lines themselves are to blame for this.

[Kurganets-45]

If you try to squeeze the spring to the end, it will definitely shoot.

[Maks1995]

So what is left for everyone?
Both the term "red lines" and "SVO" - everyone really liked.
We have the same. "There will be no conscription, there will be no war, the Territory is not named, a tribunal for mercenaries ...." - all promises have sunk into oblivion ...

Imperialism in the yard. Whoever sits in the Dumas does not shoot himself ...

[igorbrsv]

. So what is left for everyone?

Go to work. There's nothing changed

[Serge9901]

A person is required for a high position. Not systemic, not "Volodin", untainted in the theft and blood of the 90s. The owner, a patriot, the presence of will is mandatory, in / on, don't give a damn about bad habits. The competition for the position will take place in the 24th year. You can register, but this time it is not necessary, you have already eaten too many divorces and scammers. Navalny-Abgamovich-Khodorkasparov, please do not worry. (I don’t know, so what ... there must be some way out)

[igorbrsv]

Nope. According to the announcement, dialing is not an option at all

[opuonmed]

yes, the West understood that the Russian Federation would not do anything, so they crossed first one, they looked at what would happen, being afraid that they would strike, but there was no strike, they also looked at the second and there was no strike, so it went, it’s possible that the sharias are possible and right that something might be wrong with the nuclear weapons! I really hope that everything is fine with the Russian Federation with nuclear weapons in the Russian Federation! I hope the Russian Federation still has a plan and it follows it!

[igorbrsv]

"Initially, there was some kind of plan and we stuck to it ..... "

[Got it]

By the way, NATO did not mark any red lines, it’s so clean - they chew snot and slowly push forward. The Kremlin draws red lines tirelessly every time, it's not even funny anymore.

[Aron Finkilstein]

"Red lines"? There is not a single legally binding document on the part of the United States and other NATO countries in which these same "red lines" would be established. And all the oral or written assurances from Western officials about the "red lines", which is called "the eggs are not worth a damn" ... Today yesterday they "promised" not to supply tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, today they "promise" not to supply combat aircraft, tomorrow they will "promise" not to supply nuclear weapons... Russia's actions in the matter of responding to the supply of arms to the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the bleating of a lamb, which no one in NATO is already quite calmly paying attention to...! The word must not be at odds with the deed. If the Russian leadership has stated that the supply of weapons by NATO countries to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is unacceptable and all means of delivering such weapons are a legitimate target for the Russian Armed Forces, then these words must be confirmed by practice.

[Aron Finkilstein]

Tracking arms deliveries to Ukraine is not so easy, but it is difficult to deliver the same tanks covertly, especially since there must be sites for their concentration before being directly sent to the territory of Ukraine. These sites may well be identified by means of satellite reconnaissance, undercover reconnaissance. After that, a missile or air strike, or a strike through sabotage measures, should be delivered to these sites. Maritime arms deliveries should be stopped by humiliating the relevant transports (a naval PMC, as an option for such actions), it is very problematic to establish whose torpedo hit the side of the transport ... NATO is confident that nothing of the kind that I wrote about above will ever will be, and therefore in the near future we should expect deliveries to the Armed Forces of Ukraine of anything ...

Alas, until the leadership of Russia understands that if they undertook to fight, then they must fight, and this must be done in all directions, there is no need to talk about any successful completion of the "SVO" ...

One gets the impression that Russia is fighting with one hand, while the other is still trying to negotiate something... Well, the "business interests" of part of the Russian "elite" play a role...