Russia demands clarification from the OSCE in connection with the use of chemical weapons by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the NVO zone

The head of the Russian delegation at the talks in Vienna on military security and arms control, Konstantin Gavrilov, expressed concern over the use of chemical weapons by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. weapons in the NVO zone, demanding clarification on this from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). We are talking about the use of chemical weapons by Ukrainian military personnel in battles near Artemovsk (Bakhmut) and Soledar, as a result of which the Russian military receive burns and poisoning.

Here is how he commented on the situation at the 1035th plenary meeting of the OSCE Forum for Security Co-operation held the day before:

According to the data provided by the Russian Defense Ministry, at the moment the United States is moving its military biological laboratories from the territory of Ukraine to Poland and the Baltic states, which is direct evidence of provocations carried out by the United States and its allies near the Russian borders. In parallel with this, we are receiving information about the use of chemical weapons by the Ukrainian security forces near Artyomovsk and Soledar, because of which Russian servicemen are burned and poisoned

As Gavrilov added, this case is far from the first, and therefore, the RF Investigative Committee is currently establishing all the circumstances of the incident. In this regard, he demanded that the OSCE participating States give a categorical assessment of these actions, since all heads of state and government that are members of the organization undertake to regulate the nonproliferation of chemical weapons.

At the same time, the diplomat stressed that sooner or later one would have to be held accountable for all the lawlessness organized by Washington and its henchmen.

He also touched upon the topic of deliveries of offensive weapons to Kyiv from Western countries, urging them to abandon their plans, since by their reckless actions, the member countries of the North Atlantic alliance only draw themselves more into a direct conflict with Russia, which can, in the end, lead to very disastrous consequences. We are talking here, first of all, about the transfer of American F-16 fighters.

In conclusion, Konstantin Gavrilov made it clear that all NATO weapons that will be sent to Ukraine to kill civilians and contain Russia will be destroyed in a short time. In this context, he also recalled the recently defeated Norwegian NASAMS air defense systems, as well as 2 US-made HIMARS and M270 MLRS MLRS launchers.

Comments

[Monster_Fat]

What specific cases (place, time, number of people affected, types of damage, etc.)? What did the independent examination show? What poisonous substances were used? With what ammunition or without them? Well, and other information confirming the facts of the application.

[credo]

... At the same time, the diplomat stressed that sooner or later one would have to be held accountable for all the lawlessness organized by Washington and its henchmen...

Sometimes I feel sorry for our diplomats.
They are forced to speak to the "deaf and blind" in the Jesuit language, knowing full well that neither the United States nor its vassals will be subject to any responsibility in the foreseeable future.

[flicker]

Sometimes I feel sorry for our diplomats.
They are forced to speak to the "deaf and blind"

The task of diplomats in this case is to fix this problem in the media space, and the task of the military is to stop such provocations as harshly as possible.
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knowing full well that neither the United States nor its vassals will be held liable in the foreseeable future.

Well, this is how the card will fall - and it seems to fall as we need it, and then they will answer as they have never answered before.

[credo]

The task of diplomats in this case is to fix this problem in the media space, and the task of the military is to stop such provocations as harshly as possible.

When diplomats fix this or that problem in the media space for years, but the military does not stop it, such work of diplomats is called "Sisyphean labor" - it causes yawns in opponents, and their own are annoyed because of the useless shaking of the air and spending money on fruitless trips around countries and we weigh. As a result, the beginning of the NWO and the multibillion-dollar costs of resolving the old issue in the previous endless negotiations.

Well, this is how the card will fall - and it seems to fall as we need it, and then they will answer as they have never answered before.

For a year and a century, the card has been in suit for the Anglo-Saxons, and everyone who has suffered from their "salvation" during this time is still licking their bleeding wounds and comforting themselves with hopes of an inevitable punishment that is about to overtake the tireless "rescuers". For the victims, the prospect is so-so and little consolation.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, here you are mistaken, for example, if the USA can be considered one of the countries that won the WWII, then the UK got there due to a misunderstanding and as a result became the UK, the fall of their colonial empire, which occupied the 4th part of the land of our ball - is that really a success?
And when there was the Falkland War, they gathered a squadron from a pine forest, since their enemy was no better, and this was once the Lady of the Seas. Yes, and during WWII, they exchanged territories for the Americans for 40 destroyers and even destroyers in order to accompany their convoys with at least something.
And do not think that Britain and the States are united, Britain has its own imperial police, like the Poles have their own, so they are not friends with the States, but business partners, and if you can throw it, the "gentlemen" of these "upstarts" will throw.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: flicker

Well, this is how the card will fall - and it seems to fall as we need it, and then they will answer as they have never answered before.

Tell me, who was responsible for the destruction of 26 million Soviet people and how?

Bismarck said that the Russians always come for their money. Is it so? After the Great Patriotic War, according to economists, Germany compensated less than five percent of the damage done to the economy of the Soviet Union.

Since the reign of the EBN from Russia, according to economic experts, from one and a half to two and a half trillion dollars have been lost free of charge, and the Russian authorities have not yet assessed this period in the history of our country - a criminal period involving "high" ranks.
What cards can we talk about today? I don’t know if cardinal changes can be expected while unscrupulous people rule the country ... Because in difficult times they try to help the country, help the army defending national sovereignty, and do not stuff their own money in any way ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: credo

Sometimes I feel sorry for our diplomats.
They are forced to speak to the "deaf and blind" in the Jesuit language, knowing full well that neither the United States nor its vassals will be subject to any responsibility in the foreseeable future.

Tell me, you clicked the "reply" button to the comment above, but did you answer at least one commentator's question?

[fruc]

..... in Vienna, on issues of military security and arms control, Konstantin Gavrilov expressed concern ....

Information about the use of OV by the APU did not appear today.
This puts the sun of Ukraine outside the law, with all the ensuing consequences. What weapon to use on them is all the same. And Mr. Gavrilov with his concerns should be recalled back from this OSCE, as unnecessary ..

[76SSSR]

Quote: Monster_Fat

What specific cases (place, time, number of people affected, types of damage, etc.)? What did the independent examination show? What poisonous substances were used? With what ammunition or without them? Well, and other information confirming the facts of the application.

You spread it thickly, thinner would be ... Chu! Do you hear? It's Colin "Tube" Powell laughing.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Monster_Fat

What specific cases (place, time, number of people affected, types of damage, etc.)? What did the independent examination show? What poisonous substances were used? With what ammunition or without them? Well, and other information confirming the facts of the application.

I would also like to see this information, while it turns out like with Powell's test tube. I don’t understand why they can’t properly prepare and lay out all the known facts, such as who applied, when they applied, what OVs were used, show things. docks, etc., etc.

[Monster_Fat]

Don't wait. Judging by the cons, no one cares. The main thing is to shake the test tube. Another thing is funny - here many yell: "we are not Americans, we will not sink to their level" and then - "why, the Americans can "shake the test tube" unprovenly, why can't we? "Yes, double standards, this is -" only they have...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Another thing is funny - here many yell: "we are not Americans, we will not sink to their level" and then - "why, the Americans can "shake the test tube" without evidence, why can't we?"

Yes, I have repeatedly encountered this, sometimes amazingly dodgy characters come across. )))

[Ivan Ivanov]

They will not shake our test tube, they are even afraid to use real reasons with the argument "what if even more will fly over us." This is not the first time they have been talking about chemistry at LBS, since August, and there have been no scandals, no consequences, they puffed a couple of times in the news and shut up. Our people are being poisoned, shot, tortured, in response we treat the bastards.

[svp67]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Well, and other information confirming the facts of the application.

The Ukrainians either became completely insolent, or completely lost their sense of fear, without any fear of incurring responsibility for this, posting videos from their UAVs that carry out such attacks, showing in what torment our soldiers die ...
And there is an invoice for the types of warfare, but at the expense of "independent expertise", I think it won't work out here, the OPCW usually rarely meets us ... in the same place the Americans "rule the ball"

[ABC-schutze]

If it doesn’t make it difficult, please specify, for starters, what kind of expertise do you call “independent”? ..

The one from the cantor with the OPCW tag that some "use" of the SAR Armed Forces, some "chemical" weapons "proved"? .. Or, "experts" of a certain "Hague Tribunal"? .. Or "experts" of the IAEA? .. Which " traces "of the development and presence of nuclear weapons in Tel Aviv, thirty years old," point-blank" cannot be found? ..

[dfk-80]

Bingo, the Jews don't really hide their nuclear center anymore. There are probably still few charges, otherwise everyone would be nuts.

[Monster_Fat]

As I understand it, the thought process is limited only to what is already chewed and put into the mouth? Throw your own brains (not from an explosive bullet, of course ) no way? Why does everything rest only on the OPCW? And what prevents to form and invite a commission of independent experts from South Africa, Brazil, Turkey, India, Indonesia, China, Azerbaijan and other countries.? What already such elementary things to think over in any way? This should have been done a long time ago - I wrote this even after the provocations of the White Helmets in Syria - we just need to create our own, independent and fairly authoritative interstate commission to investigate such cases, both in chemical and biological and nuclear safety! Even the experts have said it! They said that the official international structures are completely controlled by the Anglo-Saxons and it is impossible to expect objectivity from them! And what has been done in this direction by our government? And NOTHING! Not only that, our authorities even came forward and declared that Russia would not create parallel structures in this regard, and they say that any insinuations in this regard should be stopped! Like we completely trust the OPCW! BINGO! This is how we reap the rewards. And instead of thinking and figuring it out, they stupidly mold cons to me here. This is an indicator of the intellectual level of the majority of representatives of our society - they DO NOT WANT TO THINK! They live with emotions.

[ABC-schutze]

"Why does everything rest against the OPCW alone? And what prevents the formation and invitation of a commission of independent experts from South Africa, Brazil, Turkey, India, Indonesia, China, Azerbaijan and other countries.? Why does everything rest against the OPCW alone? And what prevents the formation and invitation of a commission from independent experts from South Africa, Brazil, Turkey, India, Indonesia, China, Azerbaijan and other countries.? "
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I have not developed the habit of "scattering" my brains, especially my own. So, best of luck in your endeavors...

As for everyone named to you, specify why, say you, the same Brazil (where POLITICAL "moods" change people in the market), Turkey (a NATO member in the EU, besides stubbornly rushing), India (ALWAYS on "two chairs "comfortably seated, or South Africa (in this case, with "zero" authority of an "expert" in this field), as "independents" are ready to present to accept? ..

Behind this, it’s a completely logical question ... And what is it that “prevents” YOU personally, and not some kind of “international” community, from accepting it as an independent commission created by Russia ITSELF from ITS experts? ..

[Machito]

Quote: Monster_Fat

What specific cases (place, time, number of people affected, types of damage, etc.)? What did the independent examination show? What poisonous substances were used? With what ammunition or without them? Well, and other information confirming the facts of the application.

You can watch the video evidence on Sanya's telegram channel in Florida.
Why is evidence needed? The main thing is to shake the test tube with OM at all international venues, starting with the UN. The US never found chemical weapons in Iraq, and Saddam and a million Iraqis went to Allah.
Yes, for one video with OV poisoning and the death of one of our fighters, Warsaw, Brno and Prague can be defeated. Millions of Russian concentration camp prisoners killed in gas chambers look at us from heaven.

[Uprun]

As a diplomat, he did his job, only the blind, deaf and dumb will not hear, see or say anything, looking ahead - to the OPCW with the same ailment.

[ABC-schutze]

It is necessary to destroy not only the weapons and military equipment "supplied" to the Kyiv Nazi-revolutionaries by the Western masters, but also the subjects of the Kyiv bandera-rat-house, with whom their masters systematically agree on the organization of these deliveries ...

For one without the other, it is simply physically impossible to realize ...

Those. it is necessary to put the so-called. "the West is faced with a fact-task, each time finding a new subject for negotiations, instead of a disposed one. And finding a place where this "potential negotiator" from the Kyiv regime is still alive, can hide from disposal ...

[flyer]

The OSCE traveled around the DPR and LPR for 8 years in order to record shelling from Ukraine, so what? I don't understand why Russia is in this organization of blind/deaf beggars at all? We probably still pay dues.

[Ivan Ivanov]

From the OSCE? This is a non-working body from which we were essentially kicked out. Why not to the UN, why not embed in response to the bank? Our half-measures are an invitation to the growth of the greyhound, in the end we will go to the extreme, when there will simply be no other measures other than the whole world in dust.

[rotmistr60]

demanded that the OSCE participating States give a categorical assessment of these actions

An empty matter, but necessary in diplomacy. That's when, in Kyiv or another Ukrainian city, some people without protective equipment begin to hose down children who allegedly got poisoned from the use of military agents by Russia, then even not only the OSCE, but also the OPCW will actively join in the condemnation, and "human rights activists" will jump out of their pants .

[Zoldat_A]

Konstantin Gavrilov expressed concern over the use of chemical weapons by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the NVO zone, demanding clarification on this from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)

It is not necessary to express concern - everyone in the West and we have long been accustomed to this.
And do not demand explanations - they still will not explain anything.
Need to answer. Terrifying. Plow hectares and square kilometers into arable land. So that not only on the front line or in Kyiv would they be horrified. So that, at least in all of Europe, asses shrink for a penny ...
It is a pity for earthworms in that dead arable land. No one else.

[igorbrsv]

Where the clashes are now going on, there only lunar landscapes remain

[Reptiloid]

For a whole year, we watched screams about the Skripals' cat and about themselves. And where are they now? Ours still answered something, proved .... and about other poisonings, even bulk ones, slander, lies and stink. What PR campaigns were .... But from our side it was somehow quite modest.

Quote: Zoldat_A

..... It is necessary to answer. Terrifying. Plow hectares and square kilometers into arable land. So that not only on the front line or in Kyiv would they be horrified. So that, at least in all of Europe, asses shrink for a penny ...
It is a pity for earthworms in that dead arable land. No one else.

What are we talking about, Igor it's like that

[rocket757]

Russia demands clarification from the OSCE in connection with the use of chemical weapons by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the NVO zone

. We will / can demand when we finish the process of recycling the next Banderstan, but for now ...

[Woodman]

demanded that the OSCE participating States give a categorical assessment of these actions, since all heads of state and government, members of the organization, undertake to regulate the nonproliferation of chemical weapons.

I foresee the response of the OSCE: You do not understand, this is different ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lesovik

I foresee the response of the OSCE

The answer will be unequivocal - "This is a fake of the Kremlin."

[tralflot1832]

Until they start distributing antigases in Europe, this will not move from a dead center.

[solar]

It is not clear why he told the OSCE this.
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is responsible for monitoring the possible use of chemical weapons by the UN. The OSCE does not even have the technical capabilities for this.
Moreover, at a special session of the Conference of the States Parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention (Russia is also a party to the Convention), by a majority of votes, the OPCW was given the right to identify those responsible for chemical attacks (before that, it could only conduct inspections and examinations in order to establish the fact of the use of chemical weapons without culpability).
All available evidence must be presented to the OPCW, not the OSCE. Diplomats must have known this very well.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is working worse and worse, they have turned it into a pleasant sinecure for their own people, so failure after failure.

In conclusion, Konstantin Gavrilov made it clear that all NATO weapons that will be sent to Ukraine to kill civilians and contain Russia will be destroyed in a short time.

And it's like casting spells. They don’t know that they do this with all enemy weapons in war, whether they are NATO or non-NATO?

[Ivan Ivanov]

I remember how Mr. Slutsky resisted with his hands and feet, if only the OSCE would not be abandoned, but "continue to convey its position." I wonder if this is naivete on the verge of idiocy or tasty European business trips?

[seamen2]

*demanding clarification on this from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)*.
from whom he demands something there .. this is the Organization for Security and Cooperation with the State Department.
naive ....

[76SSSR]

It is interesting when it comes to ours that to demand some kind of clarification or explanation from the West is at least ridiculous and naive. It's time to end any discussion with the enemy at all. I do not understand the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other competent authorities, what kind of dialogue can there be with "partners" who are eager to destroy us?!

[Constantine N]

Because Russia cannot do anything to them by military means.

[Cicerist98]

"Cannot do" - or "does not want to", because of the misplaced humanism, timidity, naive adoration of the west, and business partnership calculations of the current Russian leadership?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from Cicerist98

"Cannot do" - or "does not want to", because of the misplaced humanism, timidity, naive adoration of the west, and business partnership calculations of the current Russian leadership?

Russia is concentrating its forces. It's always like that. """Harnesses for a long time but rides fast"""

[scary]

Such statements are needed. In normal people, they precede certain actions. The question is different, that no action may follow. This is bad. Let's just say that stating this is a necessary condition, but not a sufficient one.

[Obolensky]

Isn't there a convention on the prohibition of the use of chemical weapons? However, what am I talking about? There are countries that are allowed to do everything and they spit on all the bans. What is the use of shaking the air and demanding something? Well, he did. Well demanded. What's next? No, of course I understand what needs to be conveyed. Only what is the point of talking and conveying something to those who do not hear you point-blank and do it anyway in their own way.

But these are diplomats. OK. And what will be the answer from our MO? In fact, it is necessary not only to fix, but also to destroy those units that use these weapons.

Security Council. Funny! They think and have always thought only about their own safety. They don't care about the safety of others. Examples - mass.

The collective West must certainly win. By any means. And the winners, as you know, are not judged.

But we'll see that again. They decided to take the lesson again. Well, they'll get it. Let them not complain later.

[75 Sergey]

Concerned.... anxious!
Here we need a decisive protest，to demand the convening of an extraordinary session of the UN, condemnation, punishment, the creation of a court, an investigation, and so on.
Where is Lavrov with the test tube?!

And they only have ... concern!

[Bingo]

Incidentally, non-compliance with contracts is a double-edged sword.

[75 Sergey]

Well, we are kind...
We must first recognize them, if we apply in response, they will say that we were the first to start.

[wladimirjankov]

Gavrilov expressed concern over the use of chemical weapons by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the NVO zone, demanding clarification on this from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE

What the hell is concern? What's the reaction? If there are facts of the use of chemicals by the enemy. weapons, then it is necessary to immediately and decisively respond 100 times, and not express concern. The Nazis used banned weapons of mass destruction. We must respond in kind. Here conspiracy and indistinct lowing is inappropriate. That we do not have stocks of toxic substances? And We really destroyed them, like the last fools, despite the fact that the Americans did not do this. But we have not forgotten how to do them in the end. And we already have the right to use tactical nuclear weapons in this case. If we humbly swallow all this again and continue to test and find out the limits of our toothlessness and unresponsiveness, considering us to be complete "patients". If the US or Israeli soldiers had been used against the US soldiers, the answer would have been given immediately and without any ceremonies and verbiage.

[I dare to_notice_]

So the message will not reach the addressee.
And first, as an answer, destroy all "military biological laboratories", weakly?

[75 Sergey]

In general, the West has long turned diplomacy into a farce, and we are still trying to observe etiquette!

[antiquity]

Quote from solar

It is not clear why he told the OSCE this.

All available evidence must be presented to the OPCW, not the OSCE. Diplomats must have known this very well.

Maybe just because there is nothing special to provide for the OPCW?
There are few cases of application, there are no confirmed analyzes (or there are, but few).
And there is no point in these organizations anymore. For a long time there has been no point in the Komsomol, OSCE, IOC, UEFA ...
Actually, last year, the MoD showed infographics about biolabs. Again. Laboratories! Not a jar of piss made on the knee. Laboratories. And what? But nothing. The reaction of the Anglo-Saxons - complain to the sportloto. All.

[megadeth]

One of our experts, out of his mind, with the rank of general, convinced the Central Television that this was a chemical gruel, and not chemical warfare agents, they could not be sewn to a violation of the nonproliferation treaty and the use of BWA. It’s also necessary for our guys to make something more outrageous and pour it out, spray it on the Ukrofascist sharovarniks ... IMHO

[rafat]

Even Hitler did not dare to use OV, so we should not be like this, although I really want to answer like that. Can be dust like cockroaches.

[Maks1995]

Our diplomats have already landed in a puddle several times, alas.
Dirty bomb, all sorts of final warnings....
If some psycho manually stuffed waste from a pharmacy into bombs, stores them in the refrigerator, and dumps them on the fighters, posting videos on the Internet, then this is unlikely to be counted as the use of OV.

For chemical weapons, there is probably a list - what is prohibited, what is allowed, and in what quantity.
And there are probably plenty of bird cherry, smoke and other garbage in all countries.

Yes, and Lavrov and his colleagues are not famous for their diplomatic victories ....

[Monster_Fat]

Here they showed "evidence" - allegedly jars of "chemical weapons" in a living room, in an open cabinet on a shelf with signatures with a felt-tip pen, which someone removes from a distance of 1 meters. Any chemist will say that CWAs are stored like that The main thing is that many people fall for this bullshit. And how excited! Only now, the pros have this .... it doesn’t roll, from the word at all. But for some, it doesn't matter.

[single-n]

Yes, and Lavrov and his colleagues are not famous for their diplomatic victories ....

More like deep concern and drawing colorful lines. It's time to rename them the Ministry of Expressing Deep Concerns and Drawing Red Lines - MVGO and RKL.

[rafat]

It was enough for Cohen to shake a test tube with some white powder and Iraq plunged into the Middle Ages and Saddam Hussein was hanged.