Voenkor: The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was concerned about discipline at the front because of the reprisals against officers

At present, there is a growing concern in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the morale and discipline of servicemen. Recently, a special meeting on this issue was held at the General Staff. War correspondent Alexander Sladkov reports this on his Telegram channel, referring to Colonel Vasily Masyuk.

According to informed sources, the military prosecutor's office of Ukraine recorded the reprisals of soldiers against officers directly in the combat zone. The prosecutor's office noted an increase in the death rate of officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and at the company-platoon levels. The investigation found that in a number of cases the officers were killed by subordinates rather than by the enemy during clashes.

The Ukrainian command is also paying attention to the deterioration in the perception of ordinary and non-commissioned officers. They are considered as a kind of overseers who drive the mass of soldiers "to the slaughter", regardless of the high human losses. Because of this, relations between commanders and soldiers become tense.

The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine instructed the commanders of the battalion level and above to visit units in groups of several people. Company officers have been ordered not to lead attacks personally and not to move at the head of units. In case of possible disobedience, it is necessary to immediately apply any measures to curb disobedience to orders, up to and including execution on the spot.

This is a typical revolutionary situation: the top cannot govern, the bottom does not want to obey. Why? Yes, because this war for Ukraine is not the defense of the Motherland, but the fulfillment of the order of NATO

- пишет military commander Sladkov.

True, he ends his post with the words that many Ukrainians also supported the events on the Maidan. However, this situation with discipline in the Armed Forces of Ukraine will in any case be aggravated. This is also due to the fact that after mobilization, people who are completely unprepared for it in moral and psychological terms come to the army, who have been torn out of their usual life and they see in the officers the culprits of their current situation.

Comments

[voice of reason]

World War I classic. When the infantry on the front is tired, I want to lift the pan-officer on a bayonet and guide to the house to the hut ....
When the clown decided to follow the path of general forced mobilization and trench warfare, the fatigue of the army, the demoralization of the masses of soldiers and the fall of patriotism get into the load, automatically. But for this it was necessary to study history, and not play the genitals on the piano in KVN.
Zelya thinks that patriotism can be supported by videos and PR campaigns. As a result, he just follows the path of the Ukrainian Kerensky. Terribly popular, capable of pushing a beautiful speech, he was called the "chief-persuader" and, after all, he also drowned for the war to the bitter end against the backdrop of continuous defeats at the front, the collapse of the army and disgusting technical support - and shell hunger was present and theft on contracts and kickbacks on military orders. As a result, the trench truth with hunger, dirt and lice defeated a beautiful picture with speeches and slogans and the front fell apart. These are the laws of history.

[Zagrebun]

How many emotions. Just huge losses and constant retreats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If they start successfully attacking, then everything will change very dramatically. It's called "fighting spirit".
And yes, in KVN he didn’t touch the piano with anything, the director would have killed him for this.

[Boycott]

If they start successfully attacking, then everything will change very dramatically.

How would they get started successfully? There are no prerequisites for this, the state is much worse than in autumn. Significant deliveries of new equipment are not even promised, there are no more people, the industry is even scary to say. And the Russian army has learned something during this time.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: voice of reason

But for this it was necessary to study history, and not in KVN with genitals on the piano to play.

Quote: Zagrebun

KVN club is full and resourceful, if you please, the year and the game where this action took place. It was in my 95th quarter (his show). But what about Maslyakov? Did he allow himself this nonsense?

In essence, what does this change?

[Tatyana]

The military prosecutor's office of Ukraine recorded the reprisals of soldiers against officers directly in the combat zone.

Of course, there will be reprisals against officers by soldiers, if the mobilized britsrv immediately without wounds have already begun to be allowed into the organs! Without command and officers, this simply cannot happen! !! Namely.

The underground worker from Nikolaev told about it.
The underground activist said that many of the soldiers mobilized in Nikolaev not only do not get in touch with their relatives. But it also notes that the Ukrainian authorities do not take into account in the registers and lists of those mobilized from Nikolaev.
According to him, in the city morgue on Volodarsky Street, the corpses of soldiers WITHOUT ORGANS and without SIGNS OF WOUNDING appeared.

“We have already begun to let fighters without wounds go directly to the organs,” said the underground worker.

See details - RIA Novosti: the bodies of the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are allowed to organs in the morgue of the city hospital of Nikolaev - https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1108218-vsu-organy-morg?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

TOTAL. Someone will say that this is nonsense! That this cannot be in Ukraine.
So after all, it already happened in the Armed Forces of Ukraine! True, the doctors then did it over the wounded soldiers. And now doctors don’t have to go to the front line to take orgs from the mobilized! They now have excellent working conditions in Nikolaev.

[Egeny]

Voice, for starters, reference ... Alexander Fedorovich Kerensky (April 22, 1881, Simbirsk, Russian Empire).
And the fact that Khokhls beat their officers is nothing surprising, tension, nerves, fatigue. We also had a case when a mobilized man hit his commander.

[Zagrebun]

In essence, you screwed up KVN on a blue eye, while when you were poked into indecency, you became in a pose.

[Arifon]

"How pathetic is the jester on the throne of the king! How stupid are the people who allowed it!"
/Robert Burns/

[Prometey]

I don't understand why the room is so pissed off? Is this really humor?

[Zagrebun]

I do not want to stomp on the patient, but as practice shows: "this has never happened and here it is again." Human mercenaries, weapons-west, intelligence and coordination america. And shaved backing dancers.

[bayard]

Quote: Zagrebun

I do not want to stomp on the patient, but as practice shows

- the war is on the territory of the former Ukraine.
- according to Israeli intelligence, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are only 8 times 9 (EIGHT) times higher than the losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the corps of the republics of Donbass (now part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation), and taking into account the losses of PMCs and NATO armies - XNUMX times. That is, the losses of only NATO countries on the territory of Ukraine are approximately equal to the losses of the RF Armed Forces +.
And this already means that the RF Armed Forces are winning.
Just STATISTICALLY WIN.
And the RF Armed Forces are already mobilized. There are enough troops in the theater of operations, there are sufficient reserves and they are fully equipped. A full-fledged offensive so far is hindered solely by the weather. Frosts will rise - you will have more fun.

Quote: Zagrebun

Mercenary people

How many ? 50 thousand? 100 thousand?
The autumn offensive in the Kharkov region was successful with 5 and even 8-10-fold superiority of the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis of the West. And there was no encirclement.
But after all, there will be no more such a balance of power.
And you know it very well.
So what's the point?

Quote: Zagrebun

armament-west

This weapon has been on the theater since last summer. Artillery, MLRS, equipment, communications, reconnaissance ...

Quote: Zagrebun

intelligence and coordination america

Yes, a powerful satellite constellation, aerial and undercover intelligence ... And? What are the achievements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? When is the parade on Red Square?

Quote: Zagrebun

And shaved backing dancers.

Brits are your backup dancers??
Isn't the aboriginal too proud of HIS masters?
Why is "Leo-2A4" or even more so "Abrams" and "Challenger-2" better than T-72? T-80? Or even T-64? In Ukraine, over a thousand MBTs were destroyed during the NWO and how will a couple of hundreds of NATO tanks of the 60s-80s of the last century help her?
Or is it better than the F-16 of the beautiful Soviet MiG-29?
After all, all the air battles of American pilots against the pilots of the former GDR on the MiG-29 were lost miserably back in the early 90s.
Well, they improved their avionics , so after all, they will not be beaten in the skies of the Russian Black Sea region by MiG-29s manufactured in the 80s, but by Su-35S, Su-30SM, modernized MiG-31s ​​and modern air defense systems.
You will never have any quantitative superiority, much less qualitative.
And your Ukraine has no future. And it won't.
And in the US, elections are coming soon.
And in Europe - recession and economic collapse.
And in Russia, despite all military spending and sanctions, everything is stable. The defense industry is accelerating its capacities, the rest of the industries are working, the "Budget Rule" has been canceled, there is enough money in the budget for everything. Despite the 300+ billion dollars stolen by the West. our reserves.

[Bad thing]

[quote] the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are only two hundredth, 8 (EIGHT) times greater than the losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the corps of the republics of Donbass (now already part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation), and taking into account the losses of PMCs and NATO armies - 9 times. That is, the losses of only NATO countries on the territory of Ukraine are approximately equal to the losses of the RF Armed Forces +.
And this already means that the RF Armed Forces are winning./quote]
You don't win a war on points.

[single-n]

What were the preconditions for September-October?
Or do you think that only the Russian army is studying? And they send them equipment. This spring the Germans sent helmets. And now the tanks are being prepared. And in addition to tanks, hundreds of armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles. But we are not in a hurry to help. Somehow I have not heard of Indian armored personnel carriers or Chinese MLRS.

[Prometey]

Quote: Single-n

What were the preconditions for September-October?

3-4-fold numerical advantage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They simply went forward, in some areas without even meeting the enemy. Only a clinical imbecile would not take advantage of this opportunity.

[bayard]

Quote: Single-n

This spring the Germans sent helmets. And now the tanks are being prepared.

And how can German tanks from the 80s surpass ours?
Dimensions?
They both burn, and the Abrams are very remarkable, but because of their size it is easier to hit them.

Quote: Single-n

And in addition to tanks, hundreds of armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles.

And where did the BMP from the THREE best Soviet military districts go?
And the strategic reserves of storage bases? There were only two or three world wars.
Has it ended?

Quote: Single-n

hundreds of armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles

And the Russian Federation has both infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers both in storage and in production, like Cat Matroskin's shoe polish. Even before the SVO, the defense industry alone supplied the troops with at least 82 units per year. Now more. And how many BMP 300s and especially BMP-1s we have on the bases ... many, many thousands.
They are capitalized, modernized, and no "supplies from India and China" we do not need. We now have BMP-3 in production.

Quote: Single-n

MLRS

There is enough of everything. "Geraniums" based on "Shaheds" and we make those at home. Moreover, according to the MLRS, we are traditionally "ahead of the rest of the planet."
Quantitatively.
And if you really want to, then you can take it from the Koreans of the North, because they are "in the same trench" with us. And they have what MLRS are.
Big ones.
That's the whole point, that Ukraine is armed and provided by NATO and the entire collective West , and Russia is fighting SAMA , little finger of the left hand , its Economy on which such sanctions were hung, which even Iran and the North Koreans have not seen.
So what ?
The whole world sees how the West crumbles from attempts, the whole world gutted the military for Soviet rarities, halved its arsenals, tore the economy, fell into a recession ... and?
AND ??
APU on the verge of death.
Now, through all channels, they are trying to convince Russia to agree to a truce for 20% of the territories. They started talking about the "Korean script".
Warriors.
And if the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation not only move their little fingers on the fronts?
What about the middle finger? (I don't even mention the Thumb)
Your bet on internal turmoil did not grow together.
Trouble happened to you.
And throughout the collective west.

[Guran33 Sergey]

Why do we need Chinese and Indian weapons (by the way, brahmos of our manufacture is used) we have a 2-3-fold superiority in quantity for the named types

[Volper]

That's when German and American tanks with hundreds of infantry fighting vehicles arrive on the outskirts, then you will show off. In the meantime, the hitch came out with heavy equipment. Europe does not want to give up tanks.

[tvgpvo]

The successful front-line offensive operation of the Southwestern Front of the Russian Army under the command of General A. A. Brusilov during World War I did not affect the suspension and collapse of the army in any way. Again, the lessons of history. The reason is in the political, economic and social conditions at the moment Ukrainian state.

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

In terms of? Have you seen the scene where two guys imitate playing the piano with their cocks? Well, yes, the actual members were not visible, but the fact that this was implied was said by lowered pants and raised hands. The scene caused a disgusting feeling in me, but judging by the applause in the audience, I really liked it. I saw this scene on our program, in which, in particular, they discussed what Zelensky is like. One thing is surprising: how could this be chosen for the presidency.?

[Volper]

That's right, the "voice" said. It's just that for many Ukrainian zagrebuns, the voice of reason does not reach at all. The mentality of the villagers does not allow.

[Vyacheslav57]

Company officers have been ordered not to lead attacks personally and not to move at the head of units.

This is something new in the tactics of warfare, and for this they will shoot their own. In general, an interesting picture is being drawn, all the Ukrainian soldiers who surrendered are repeating the same thing - "The officers abandoned them and they were not aware of the situation for several days." Judging by the article, the decomposition in the Ukrainian army is beginning to progress.

[Revolver]

Quote: voice of reason

and shell hunger was present

There was a shortage of shells in 1915. After that (and because of what !!!) in 1916 they launched production, and still saved up for the planned (but, alas, for known reasons, did not take place) offensives of 1917 so much that the entire Civilian was shot, and the remnants those, still royal, stocks were completed in 1941. Learn materiel.

[voice of reason]

Learn to read the messages you object to. My thesis is that the collapse of the front and the demoralization of soldiers in the First World War in the Russian army occurred, among other things, due to such a phenomenon as "shell hunger." Well, the soldiers didn’t like that our German “suitcases” could not be answered even from three-inch guns. And the batteries stored a few shells in case of emergency. The fact is well known, supported by various eyewitness accounts, memoirs of participants and scientific monographs. Indirectly, even you yourself confirm it when you write that the offensive did not take place due to "the well-known events of 1917. That is, apparently, he means the October Revolution in Russia, in which the very former soldiers of the tsarist army who created the Soviets took an active part soldiers' deputies, along with the rest of the authorities. As you know, the First World War went on in 1914 and in 1915 and 1916. That is, including the period when there was a "shell hunger". Thus, your excursion into the history of 1916- 1917, when shell factories and chemical production facilities were built, which made it possible to multiply the production of ammunition, in no way cancels my thesis that the morale of the army and the desire to fight soldiers were undermined by leaving artillery support in the period 1914-1915. Which was required to be proved. history.

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

Learn history. Wow what a mess in my head. In February 1917, a bourgeois revolution took place, and then there was the famous order No. 1 of Kerensky, which practically destroyed the unity of command in the army, giving greater rights to elected soldiers' committees. The committees were naturally selected from the lower ranks. The officers could not do anything without the consent of the committee. As a result, unity of command in the army was practically killed, and fraternization began along the fronts. The introduction of commissars into the army by the Bolsheviks significantly improved the situation, almost returning unity of command. Commanders (very often former officers) needed to coordinate their decisions with only one person, and not decide this at a meeting.

[yuriy1863]

In case of possible disobedience, it is necessary to immediately apply any measures to curb disobedience to orders, up to and including execution on the spot.

Most likely, the main reason for the aggravation of contradictions between officers and personnel is the general low level of military discipline and, apparently, the lack of elementary subordination in official relations. In addition, I assume that numerous Western military advisers also had their influence. It is no secret that in the American and Western European armies, officers practically do not have contact with their subordinates, trusting the sergeant staff to work directly with them. Therefore, they have a lot of sergeant ranks and sergeant positions. At the very beginning of my officer service, I, who had just received lieutenant shoulder straps, was taught to do everything that my subordinates can do in order to be able to replace any of them when performing combat functions. I had to have information about each of my sailors: to know the service and personal qualities, to know where he comes from, what family. Letters home were practiced. Senior comrades taught that I should for my subordinates, become both "father and mother and the Lord God", never show arrogance and be both tough and, most importantly, fair. And indeed, being responsible for YOUR OWN, for their "underpants and boots", you grow together with them into a single combat organism and feel confident that you are ready to complete any task. I still keep in touch with some of my guys. Therefore, the problems of military discipline cannot be solved by repressions alone. I am sure that discipline falls with weak management, and weak management is an indicator of the state of a particular society (and state).

[Guran33 Sergey]

The losses of the lower officer level were apparently horrendous, and the "remake" came of poor quality and the mass of soldiers without coordination, and all this was superimposed on the "trench seat" when the fighter does not see specific combat successes and the corpses and injuries of neighbors before his eyes and do not forget - these have come and already they know that "Rostov does not storm everything" as those "summer" ones believed ..

[Dgdenis]

Agree . Plus nepotism, mess, extortion. And so on . creepy cocktail

[75 Sergey]

But what about, their officers look like godfathers handing over their soldiers to black surgeons (one such "doctor from America" ​​was recently slammed.

[dementor873]

The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine instructed the commanders of the battalion level and above to visit units in groups of several people. Company officers have been ordered not to lead attacks personally and not to move at the head of units. In case of possible disobedience, it is necessary to immediately apply any measures to curb disobedience to orders, up to and including execution on the spot.
Well, this is just a manual on extinguishing a fire with gasoline. Bravo!

[ivan1979nkl]

The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine instructed the commanders of the battalion level and above to visit units in groups

then there will be reports of massacres against GROUPS of officers

[Bingo]

Fox. It would be better to shoot the fascists. Although on the other hand, who was there in the officers? Only "ideologically close", it was not in vain that in the same 72nd naval special forces center they put the entire OLD train under the Saur-grave - even though there was diversification, but soldiers, and high-class ones. So they were driven into the ground, and they hired fascists in their place

[awdrgy]

You can understand ordinary soldiers. I remembered Bumbarash ..

[Fedor Rashkin]

Because everything is deformed
He himself was a platoon leader in Chechnya. Biennial com after the military department
Slept with the fighters and ate with them.
With contases for you out of order and conscripts.
I didn't even think about getting hit in the back.
There were a couple of skirmishes with the "grandfathers", nothing more.
Even reading such news is wild.
How do you need to behave so that they send their own ....

[Eug]

Do not compare, soldiers of different generations - in the 1st Chechnya there were soldiers who were largely formed in the USSR, in the 2nd too, but the Union had less influence on them, and here almost 100% - were brought up with independence, many frameworks do not exist for them ..

[Prometey]

Quote: Eug

Do not compare, soldiers of different generations - in the 1st Chechnya there were soldiers who were largely formed in the USSR

And what did it give? The army just fell apart in Soviet times - with its boundless hazing and households. works.

[Incvizitor]

When they are guaranteed to be sent for slaughter, so that the jester and the company grab another billion without support, and then they are still submissive like cattle to the organs, normal people would have decided such people long ago.

[TermNachTer]

It was said right away that the toughening of criminal liability would cause a response from l / s. How do the theoreticians from the General Staff imagine the situation - "do not appear on the front line"?))) Give the command to attack by phone?))) And the answer will be by phone: "we went, we couldn't advance - very dense fire." Who will check?

[Andrey Moskvin]

Sumerians, bayonet to the ground, tick to the farm.

[2 Level Advisor]

"This is reported in his Telegram channel by military correspondent Alexander Sladkov, referring to Colonel Vasily Masyuk."
Who is Colonel Masyuk? Google only knows the head of the 117th Moscow Border Detachment and the Captive Private of the 120th Separate Reconnaissance Battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) Volodymyr Masyuk..

all what you need to know about this news and its sources .. personally, I somehow hate to discuss rumors from the OBS agency .. and Sladkov, by the way, also from the words Colonel Masyuk (surprisingly!) - I already said that Surovikin's father, a pilot, shot down 3 American planes - in the end - let's say "it turned out to be not entirely true" or "half-truth", but in the end they blurred it out ..
https://www.ridus.ru/pravda-nas-rassudit-voenkor-sladkov-otvetil-skeptikam-o-bate-generala-surovikina-394810.html
once again the question, but who is this - Masyuk who knows everything about everyone? if the same one from the 117th detachment, how does he know all this in retirement after the PV, what is there in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? but I don't think it's him.

[cpls22]

The phrase "the officers left us" can be a pre-prepared excuse, like a chef's specialty.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yeah. "we were abandoned" or "we were not given", "we were not taught" Here is a dodgy folk.) Slippery and mean.

[Vasyan1971]

deterioration in the perception of private and non-commissioned officers. They are considered as a kind of overseers who drive the mass of soldiers "to the slaughter", regardless of the high human losses.

And is that far from the truth?

[tolmachiev51]

Officers are "taught" by everyone who is not too lazy - sholts, sunaks, poles, and all this crap to fall on the heads of forelocks with vinaigrette, even if there are no brains. still impossible to endure.

[SeregaBoss]

When your father is shot in the legs, and you are broken and packed like a pig to defend your homeland, what motivation will you have in the trenches? The Ukraine we remember is no more, Ukrainians themselves are beginning to understand this. The regime and the regime's dogs will end badly in the end, and the end is not far off.

[Prometey]

Quote: Serge Boss

The Ukraine we remember is no more, Ukrainians themselves are beginning to understand this.

They don't understand anything. They are an ancient, great nation, and we are stupid orcs and barbarians. This is the quintessence of thoughts of an ordinary suburban. Unfortunately, such pseudoscientific nonsense can only be knocked out with iron and blood.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It's OK. Let them kill more. It is necessary to back NATO. APU is just raskhrdny material. They themselves are to blame. We jumped. Let them work out, Maidan buns.

[art having]

"Company officers have been ordered not to lead attacks personally and not to move at the head of units."
It is hard to believe that the majority headed ..

"In case of possible disobedience, it is necessary to immediately apply any measures to curb disobedience to orders, up to and including execution on the spot."

An excellent method to stop the massacre of officers (jackals) ..)))

[Dgdenis]

Well, the process has begun. If the soldiers started shooting at the officers, then this means only one thing. The decay of the army is almost reaching the point of no return. A couple more defeats and the troops will raise the officers to the pitchfork. No measures will help

[kill the fascist]

The Sheriff's Indians don't care. "If it is true, well, at least a third ..." (c) then one can only rejoice.

[Sergey_Dunaaev]

//officers abandoned us// Alas, I personally observed this sad phenomenon on our Russian side. November 2022, Lugansk region, Krasnolymansk direction. In the 3rd MSD, to which Bars-13 is attached, the mobs scatter, throwing equipment and even personal weapons (!). On a 300-meter section, I picked up 5 AKs and 2 PCs, not counting the RPG-26, -30, shots for the Metiz and a bunch of ammo. They explain their behavior in this way: the officers left and screwed up, without saying anything at parting. 3 MSD and 74 MRB. I saw and talked to them myself.

[geologist]

Sladkov loves to pass off soldiers' tales as truth and slip them on to us - ordinary inhabitants, in order to distract us from despondency. After he gave out a pearl about an American general sitting in the cellars of Azovstal, I began to understand his cheerful disposition and peculiar sense of humor.

[yho]

And where is this general, they changed Putin to godfather?

[APASUS]

Here it is the work of a political officer with personnel. Not many people want to lay their heads for the wealth of Zeliboba and Kolomoisha

[Incvizitor]

Attach columns to the drones with adhesive tape and give orders remotely from the UAV.

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: voice of reason

and shell hunger was present

There was a shortage of shells in 1915. After that (and because of what !!!) in 1916 they launched production, and still saved up for the planned (but, alas, for known reasons, did not take place) offensives of 1917 so much that the entire Civilian was shot, and the remnants those, still royal, stocks were completed in 1941. Learn materiel.

Well, actually, part of it was finally written off in the 1950s ... However, by that time the old French-made shrapnels were, let's say, conditionally suitable. You can't shoot them. but using it as an explosive is dangerous, but possible.

[NSV]

The more dill will become fertilizers for the black soil of Donbass, the more grain harvest Novorossia will receive !!! Their rhombuses on shoulder straps will also rot over time!

[Li17]

I read it briefly, basically, as I understand it, everyone says that the enemy is doing badly, therefore the soldiers are rioting. And it happened in history, but we win as usual .... As far as I remember, the First World War gave a revolutionary shift not only in Russia but also in many countries ... The reason is simple, the lack of victory on both sides. By victory, I mean the seizure of the territory of the state, and all or a significant and significant part of it! If after the second we captured, then the victorious people became the liberator people, but what if it were the other way around? Well, if we were stomping around like that, what would start from both sides? By the way, according to the statement of one political scientist, for one of the reasons we lost the SVO as a result of postscripts, we have everything and everything is fine, and our army is the most advanced, and the generals are generally an ornament! I think there is a good reason, there was a lot of negativity on the forum about this, in fact it turned out that we were being deceived! And what is an officer for a soldier? This is the power that, as usual ..., and the commander is spinning, justifying why the stew is worse than animal feed, diesel fuel is heating oil, the uniform is falling apart .... By the way, this is all from my service! Let's add here the emerging soldier's committees that do not want to stay or go in the echelon, plus the liberalization of disciplinary practice, i.e. The commander essentially has no rights, more than that everything will be done that the blame will fall on you! The worst thing is that we are in this position, because there are essentially no officers in real numbers! Who does not believe, talk to the guys who were there, listening to Konoshenkov after that is disgusting! And the military correspondents ... yes, their work is the same, as one well-known war correspondent told me over tea ... my task is to prevent the truth from getting into the channel!

[Mikhail Maslov]

And the fact that the so-called officers are abandoning their units, and moreover, this is already massive. The more confusion in the trenches, the better for us. And we need to work with mobilized banderlogs, offer to surrender, leave positions, etc. then it will come that living is better than being missing.

[Fangaro]

I started reading the comments, but I realized that my opinion about the News itself was changing. Some comments you agree with, others you disagree with. Reread the news...

If in Ukraine (why some write "in Ukraine", I don't understand) the mobilized are not trained for at least a couple of months before being sent to the combat zone, then why are they surprised that the rank and file wants to survive at least somehow?

And if there are also such instructions that company officers do not have the right to lead the attack ... Their commanders are left with a "simple" choice: either hide behind the backs of the soldiers (but the soldiers may consider them a coward and shoot) or raise their soldiers by their example, and then hit under the prosecutor's office.

In general, probably even now most of the officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have the same principles as our officers. That is the roots of the Soviet Army.

[the same doctor]

You. Since the beginning of the 20th century, in all wars, officers hid behind the backs of soldiers and drove them to the slaughter. If the officer goes ahead, then the soldiers are unprepared and there is no discipline in the unit. The task of the officer is to lead the unit & coordinate the interaction, and not die ahead of everyone.

[the same doctor]

Kyiv works more efficiently than the Kremlin and does not hide its head in the sand from problems. The Kremlin should stop soaring in the empyrean and start fighting at full strength. Otherwise, after all, you can lose, as in the Russian-Japanese.

[Sergei N 58912062]

The more they shoot each other, the better for us!