NASA compared China's exploration of the moon with the situation in the South China Sea

China's lunar exploration program is causing more and more concern for the US administration. The United States believes that China's excessive activity in outer space, and on the moon in particular, may indicate Beijing's desire to seize territories and resources.

US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) director Bill Nelson compares the situation on the Moon to the situation in the South China Sea. According to the head of NASA, which he said during an interview with Politico, China is creating bases in the disputed territories of the Spratly archipelago in the South China Sea, declaring its claims to these territories. The same situation could happen on the moon, says a US official.

However, the Chinese diplomatic mission in the United States denies such accusations from representatives of the US administration. Chinese diplomat Liu Pengyu said that outer space is not a field for competition. The main task of mankind is the use of outer space for peaceful purposes. China, according to the diplomat, always stands for peaceful space, against the militarization of outer space.

However, China's space plans are known. By 2028, China plans to establish a research base on the moon. With the help of special devices that are remotely controlled, they will search for water on the moon.

The China National Space Administration (CNSA) expects to send three missions to the moon between 2025 and 2028 to lay the groundwork for the subsequent landing of Chinese astronauts. The Chinese space administration is also talking about the imminent launch of additional spacecraft to the moon.

On the lunar base, if it is created, the Chinese space administration plans to place scientific equipment, an all-terrain vehicle and vehicles that will collect materials from the lunar surface. More ambitious plans are hatched in Beijing, saying that the Moon will become a transit for Chinese astronauts before flying to Mars.

But the problem is that the United States has similar plans. Washington plans to start searching for water resources on the Moon even earlier - in 2025. Recall that the largest world powers have shown interest in the possible use of the resources of the moon for several years. So, NASA experts previously announced plans to extract oxygen from ice at the south pole of the moon. Then it will be possible to build an oxygen pipeline to supply space stations with oxygen.

However, the US believes that China may also lay claim to the south pole of the moon, as well as the water and oxygen that can be found there. Therefore, the head of NASA calls for a dialogue between the United States and China on the use of the resources of the moon. But in reality, of course, this is not about dialogue, but about how to deceive China and bypass it in the exploration of the moon, in order to then claim the US right to lunar resources.

Comments

[Nexcom]

Yes, China is developing very dynamically. And in astronautics too.

[Grandfather]

while the Yankees on earth are trying to "take over the world", China has already "spun" them in space ... it's a pity, we are not talking about our country.

[Egeny]

Yes, Grandfather, something our Roskosmos does not please us. One hope is that the narrow-eyed will first master Taiwan, and the Yankees will "help" them.)

[Krivobokoff]

And it always has been. Whoever has the Communist Party in power is the one in space and the main

[Uprun]

And what, the Moon is already the 51st state of the USA? If our cosmonaut on the moon in 2024 relieves himself, will Greenpeace bring a lawsuit against Russia? Here the question is who will land first, we or the PRC, "Hollywood 1969" does not count.

[Smoker]

A horse named "Hegemon" is falling behind a trotter named "Panda" on a pan galactic race. Many people stop betting on "Hegemon". The dissatisfaction of the stands is growing - so much money has been invested, but where are the declared characteristics?

[yho]

The third horse, named Rokhlya, who took the lead at the start, died during the race. The first state to explore space was sucked into a deep black hole.
Personally, I don’t understand why they spent so much money on the ISS for so many years, they poured it into space like a pretty penny? We also had the Mir station, which was flooded as unnecessary. All subsequent years, Russia (a generous soul) transferred its developed technologies to other countries, while losing its leading position. Why keep people in Earth orbit to take beautiful photos from the window? They turned the Russian module into a closet, you know.
The moon is the future of space programs.

[Smoker]

The stands are indignant - where is the horse named "Rokhlya"? Expected .... but the viewer from the podium cannot know the backstage of this hippodrome - The owner of the "Hegemon", at one time, bribed the rider and voila - "Rokhlya" "died" ... Well, at least the horse itself, named "Rokhlya" , caught on to the "Hegemon", otherwise she would have lost her pace and competence to run ...

[Alexander Salenko]

You are sharply categorical in speaking, in fact everything is correct, but not very much in form. Well, for example, Rosatom has no competitors, can you imagine what a nuclear engine is in space? What we handed over, well, we probably peeped too. Let's remember that the same Americans flew on our engines, and the engine is the basis, the rest will grow.
Of course, we have a lot of problems, but we will not forget the force of that blow more than 30 years ago that was inflicted on our country.

[yho]

Analogous… somewhere I have already heard it.
Yes, the Americans used our cheap rocket engines, which we inherited along with galoshes.
This allowed them to save money on their new developments. And we both “slapped” the “Unions”, and we spank, for half a century.
It is clear that space requires huge expenditures, and funds for development are allocated with a gulkin's nose. The limited resources forced the USSR to abandon the landing of people on the moon and give preference to cheaper unmanned vehicles. After the war, almost the entire country lived in wooden barracks from which it was impossible to go outside without galoshes. We needed money to develop social infrastructure and ensure nuclear safety.

[yho]

Rosatom has no competitors, can you imagine what a nuclear engine is in space?

Russia is not the only one developing in this direction. As far as I know, in the Russian Federation everything is under development and there is not even an experimental sample. The nuclear rocket engine (NRE) assumes the use of a working fluid, the volume of which will be limited. The use of a nuclear rocket engine in the airspace of the Earth will lead to radioactive contamination of it. Therefore, it is supposed to assemble and launch spacecraft with NRE already in space.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Alexander Salenko

Of course, we have a lot of problems, but we will not forget the force of that blow more than 30 years ago that was inflicted on our country.

It is so. The main "ZRADA" is that inside we have many people at the top who are ready to contribute to this external blow.
In short, traitors.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from Yoho

Personally, I don’t understand why they spent so much money on the ISS for so many years, they poured it into space like a pretty penny? We also had the Mir station, which was flooded as unnecessary.

Flooded not out of uselessness. And not because of the impossibility of further exploitation.
Flooded at the insistence of the striped interested in:
1. advertising or promotional nuances and
2. in the interception of technologies in which they were weak in relation to the USSR.
And they achieved both.

[gsev]

Quote from Yoho

We also had the Mir station, which was flooded as unnecessary.

Uzbekistan and Ukraine went into free swimming and Russia lost a large part of electronics and the production of cheap radio components. The United States was given projects that were shelved in Soviet times because of the impossibility of making modern controls on programmable controllers.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote from uprun

Here the question is who will land first, we or the PRC, "Hollywood 1969" does not count.

The first will definitely be the Americans. because in the lunar race in technology and what has already been done, they are ahead, the second are the Chinese, but the third ... this is a question. And it’s far from a fact that it will be us, taking into account the “successes” of Roskosmos, that even the same Luna-25 and that poor one cannot be sent in any way, what can we say about a manned flight? MLM "Nauka" was simply miraculously managed to be put into orbit, a couple more years and that's it, it was already possible not to send anything anywhere ..... these are the realities of our space program, unfortunately.

And about "Holywood 1969" you are in vain, the Americans were definitely there, there is enough evidence.

[Smoker]

Quote: Aleksandr21

And about "Holywood 1969" you are in vain, the Americans were definitely there, there is enough evidence.

Everything that mankind has achieved in space since 1961 - everything is used / improved to one degree or another to this day, but people don’t fly to the moon ... and they flew whole missions, more than once !!!! it’s strange somehow ... The United States could completely monopolize the Moon since then, but suddenly they abandoned it? Explain - why abandoned? And suddenly they started to gather now, but ... but there are no competencies for today .. How did NASA fight ionizing radiation? and there are many such questions ... (cross the Van Alen belt, solar wind (activity), rides on the moon in a non-ship ....)

The original report on radiation levels at CEV Orion during a test flight on December 5, 2014 reported that the maximum level of absorbed dose intensity of ionizing radiation when passing through the Van Alen radiation belts “was about 1 mGy/min (milligray per minute), which in 20 times the maximum allowable level on board the ISS.” [Radiation Report, 2015, p. 39]
This report further explains that the cumulative absorbed dose of radiation measured during Orion's EFT-1 flight in December 2014 was about 3 orders of magnitude (or 1000 times) greater than the cumulative absorbed dose measured over the same time period. to the ISS.
Of course, these "data provide a preliminary idea of ​​the radiation environment that the crews will have to deal with when crossing the zone of radiation belts during future research flights." [Radiation Report, 2015, p. 39]

[Alexander Salenko]

Yes, of course, the lunar rover crawled there, it remains just to provide human life support and think about how to return it back

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Smoker

Since then, the United States could completely monopolize the Moon, but suddenly they abandoned it? Explain - why abandoned?

Priorities have changed, because as we remember in those years there was a Moon Race, when the Americans won, stuck a flag - they marked their presence .... and what should they do next there? All these flights cost a pretty penny, and to develop a full-fledged base and explore the Moon at that time, there were no opportunities and an appropriate level of technology ..... + the costs would be huge). And then, over time... there was a degradation of the US aerospace industry, where Saturn-5 (which launched Skyleb and took astronauts to the moon) went to the museum, because. no one was interested anymore, the USSR collapsed, the costs of exploration (of the same Moon) were colossal and, in fact, everything died out.

By the way, we can’t repeat N-1 and Energy now, and even create something like Mir, but now it’s not possible, they started trying to do MLM Science from the 90s, and only in 2021 they finally launched it, and this is one module! (actually, also a great example of degradation), Luna-25 was renamed Luna-globe, which they began to do in 2005 and still nothing ... but the USSR once could, and could launch a spacecraft much more difficult.

So I don’t see anything surprising in the fact that the Americans stopped flying, because (I repeat). expensive and priorities have shifted.

And about radiation and risk, all the materials are on the net, if you dig well into the chronicles ... copy what has already been discussed in 10 rows, honestly there is no desire :) all the arguments for and against have long been known.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Aleksandr21

I don’t see anything surprising in the fact that the Americans stopped flying, because (I repeat). expensive and priorities have shifted.

Ideological priorities are serious.
Salvage (printing candy wrappers) stood out precisely for the ideological race.

[Alexander Salenko]

I don’t argue with the evidence, but I’m frankly hilarious about the fact that the Americans won the space race with us. The moon was the first to be mastered by us, you see, you don’t know. I was controlled by a lunar rover from near Simferopol, and in front of it, one station sent us the first pictures of the far side of the moon to the village of Simeiz. Do you seriously think that those technologies cannot be reproduced?

[Smoker]

Regarding, the man on the moon cannot be reproduced:

It is important to note again that there are no references to data obtained in the Apollo program, which would include data on the effects of cosmic radiation, and which should have been much more detailed and extensive. Orion's trials are being conducted as if no previous experience and/or knowledge had been gained before. outside the NEO.
The data on the total radiation doses for each of the Apollo missions, reproduced from NASA reports [Bennett, 2015], turn out to be less than the doses measured by the radiation sensors aboard CEV Orion during its flight, which lasted only four and a half hours.
In particular, the cumulative radiation doses reported for each mission from Apollo 8 to Apollo 17, with the exception of Apollo 14, were no more than 5,80 mGy [Bennett, 2015], which should be compared with doses from 13,5, 17,9 to 1 mGy recorded during EFT-2014 in December 2015 [Radiation Report, 23, p. XNUMX].
While the total dose of 11,40 mGy announced for Apollo 14 [Bennett, 2015] is the highest for the Apollo missions, it is still less than the Orion data.

The lack of analysis of past data and their comparison with modern radiation studies indicates that today's NASA experts are distancing themselves from the dubious legacy of the Apollos.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

"Apollo" is more of a PR project than a space one.
In hindsight, this impression is formed.
The mere fact that live broadcasts without editing centers in the USA was excluded
points to it.
By the way, live broadcasting in the Soyuz-Apollo program was also excluded under the agreement. Everything went with editing, cropping and inserting ads in the places they needed striped.
Leonov at one time confirmed this.

[Smoker]

Quote: Alexander Salenko

Do you seriously think that those technologies cannot be reproduced?

so they didn’t reproduce the technology of manned flight to the moon - we seem to be talking about this .... Moon rovers, rovers, veneer rovers - this is not a question .... but a man to the moon ... You say there is no doubt that the Americans flew to the moon ... so I gave you the text from a scientific article, which indicates that NASA does not take stupid Apollo layouts into account ...

And at the end of our conversation:
NASA has released an award-winning XNUMX-minute educational video featuring NASA specialist admits that astronauts cannot safely cross the Van Alen belts [Trial By Fire, 2014]. Near the three-minute mark, he says:

03:00: “As we move farther away from the Earth, we will cross the Van Alen belts, an area of ​​hazardous radiation.”

03:11: “Such radiation can disrupt the operation of the control system, on-board computers and other electronics on board
Orion."

03:18: “Naturally, we must go through this danger zone twice: there and back.”

03:26: “But Orion has protection. Shielding will be tested when the spacecraft crosses radiation waves.
Sensors on board will record radiation levels for scientists.”

03: 36: “We need to solve these problems before we send a man through this region of outer space.”

But wait, weren't all of these problems already definitely solved when NASA sent astronauts through this region of space many times over 45 years ago?
In fact, the 2014 unmanned test was the very first experience of a completely new ship penetrating this uncharted territory.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

I, too, have always believed that the denial of Americans on the moon is a conspiracy plot. Until he began to study the facts and think with his head. And there are so many facts for the fact that the Americans did not fly to the moon that only a complete idiot, having familiarized himself with them, will continue to believe in Hollywood fairy tales. So learn the facts guys and think for yourself. And do not forget the words of Goebels: "The more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they believe in it." He was a bad man, but smart.

[Fat]

Quote from uprun

And what, the Moon is already the 51st state of the USA?

In 1980, a resident of California (USA) Dennis Hope drew attention to the fact that natural extraterrestrial space objects officially do not belong to anyone. According to his interpretation, the law prohibits the ownership of stars and planets only by states and corporations, and for individuals, as he believes, there is no such prohibition. Using his interpretation of the law, Dennis Hope declared himself the owner of all space objects in the solar system, except for the Earth and the Sun. The surface of the visible side of the Moon and other planets was divided into sections, each of which has its own clear coordinates and registration number. The standard size of a lunar plot is 1 acre, which is about 40 acres. So Dennis Hope created a registration database similar to the Russian land cadastre. Each transaction is recorded at the head office of the Lunar Embassy in the USA and is assigned a registration number. The sale of the site to several persons at the same time is excluded. Together with the contract (certificate) of purchase and sale, the owner of the site receives a map of the planet's surface with the site marked on it and a form of the Constitution confirming his rights as a new citizen of the "Interplanetary Republic".
Anyone who has bought a plot on the Moon can receive several types of documents (sometimes for a fee): "Certificate of Property", "Lunar Constitution", "Map of the Moon" and "Lunar Passport.
Apparently, the secondary market for lunar real estate and concessions for the development of minerals are not excluded. Private property!

[Uprun]

In our ward number 6 there are at least a dime a dozen of them ......

[Fat]

You offend the inhabitants of ward number 6 - compared to NASA's frightening statement, they are reasonable, like an explanatory dictionary .... "The moon is usually made in Hamburg and badly done"

[KavkaZ]

So what, then, did the Chinese not find the American ensign on the surface? What are you talking about?

[Alexander Salenko]

Only that the American ensign is not there. This is the problem of the Chinese and not the Americans in terms of formal logic. The devices were sent to the Moon for a very long time. and lunar soil is the most expensive material on our planet. You think scientists are cretins. that they can confuse him with the earthly?
And yet, we are the first in the exploration of the Moon, and we should never forget about it.

[yho]

An unmanned aerial vehicle could also deliver lunar soil to Earth. This is how the USSR received the soil sample. This is not evidence of a man on the moon.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Alexander Salenko

Lunar soil is the most expensive material on our planet. You think scientists are cretins. that they can confuse him with the earthly?

Something that has never been difficult to confuse with something.
The striped ones did not share "samples" with anyone.

[Last centurion]

The moon certainly does not belong to the United States, or rather belongs to the same amount as, say, Honduras. So NASA can demand as much dough for flags as they like, but the lava there now will not go to space, but apparently to new shell factories.

[rotmistr60]

testify to Beijing's desire to seize territories and resources

And this, of course, is a mess, because. The United States has already begun to stake the lunar territories behind them. What is characteristic of the agreement on the Moon and other celestial objects was signed and ratified by those countries that have nothing to do with space flights. Therefore, whoever got up first and slippers.

[yho]

It would be nice to have a closer look at the American landing sites.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

To see a threat in everything is a sign of illness.

[Krivobokoff]

I will laugh when Americans fly to the moon on Chinese bases to fight for democracy and national security)

[Kvakosavrus]

>Bill Nelson compares the situation on the moon to

Nothing surprising. "Everyone at Hitler's headquarters is sloppy"

[APASUS]

The United States believes that China's excessive activity in outer space, and on the moon in particular, may indicate Beijing's desire to seize territories and resources.

In the United States, everything has been worked out. They have been selling plots on the Moon for a long time, Venus and space in general have owners. One has only to ban the American court and that's it. On dissenting sanctions ..............

[Alexander Salenko]

I’m bewildered here, China is seizing territories and resources, we have a whole continent under our noses that has not really been developed. Antarctica is called Probably there are some resources and obviously they are cheaper to extract than on the moon.
Before us is just a hysteria that someone bypasses them.

[yho]

Despite the fact that Antarctica was discovered by a Russian navigator. The territory is in a hurry to stake out all and sundry, and we, as always, chew snot.

[Arpad_Polan]

pipeline on the moon? a pipedream.... how do you get 500 tons of equipment and 500 construction astronauts to the Moon and provide them with living quarters, food, water and a means to come back?

[Former soldier]

The United States believes that China's excessive activity in outer space, and on the moon in particular, may indicate Beijing's desire to seize territories and resources.

They would look at themselves, and at their activities on Earth.