Zapadnaya Gazeta: The Ukrainian army spends as many artillery shells in a day as a small country in Europe produces them in a year

The Western edition of the Financial Times again updates the topic of ammunition consumption during the Ukrainian conflict. The article says that Ukrainian troops spend up to 6 thousand artillery shells in just a day of fighting and shelling.

From the FT article:

For comparison: about the same amount of artillery ammunition is produced in a small European country per year.

The publication writes that Western companies are trying to increase the production of ammunition, but there are many problems: from raw materials and a lack of production lines and capacities to an insufficient number of trained personnel at enterprises.

In a Western newspaper article:

Some ammunition components are so scarce that their supply to the troops (in the West) has increased from several months to several years. Many factories are already working in 3 shifts, recruitment is underway.

However, as the newspaper writes, the management of companies is faced with a lack of investment in order to maintain the pace of production. Some European countries began to think about the cooperation of military enterprises in order, for example, to jointly purchase the necessary raw materials.

Earlier, the Western press wrote that the Russian army fires up to 20 artillery shells daily.

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[rocket757]

Zapadnaya Gazeta: The Ukrainian army spends as many artillery shells in a day as a small country in Europe produces them in a year

. And sho, manufacturers of shells, weapons, everything is in chocolate ... and let the Burger pay for the "banquet", the layman and all the same.

[Beetle1991]

A very incorrect comparison.
It is stupid to produce 6000 shells a year. 20 rounds a day? What kind of mini-shop for the production of artillery shells is this?
If there is a production line, then tens/hundreds of thousands are stamped per year. If there is no production, then there is no production.
If they wrote that the consumption of artillery shells in a small European country is 6.000 per year, then this is normal. For training 2-3 divisions is enough.

The article turns out to be some kind of nonsense.

[Zefr]

Taking into account holidays and weekends, about 30 shells per day. If you count. that the labor intensity of the projectile is at least 10 man-hours, then you need to have at least 40 people at the plant, only it is the production itself

[Beetle1991]

Taking into account holidays and weekends, about 30 shells per day. If you count. that the labor intensity of the projectile is at least 10 man-hours, then you need to have at least 40 people at the plant, only it is the production itself

365 days minus 52 Sundays and 13 holidays equals 300 business days. 6000÷300=20 projectiles per day.
The projectile needs to be cast, processed on a CNC lathe, filled with explosives. No one will launch a line for 6000 shells a year. There are no such countries.
Basically, from whom they buy trunks, shells are also bought from the same. Over in Europe, half of the countries have American shells.
20 shells a day ...... the handicraft production of NURS from the Palestinians even gives out more.

[ivan1979nkl]

and let the Burger pay for the "banquet"

you have to pay for Russophobia .. expensive, and loving Bandera is not cheap

[rocket757]

There is always at least some choice ... they chose.
Now just like that.

[opuonmed]

if they spend so much how much art was brought to ukrr from the usa and eu ?????????????

[Volodin]

Quote: opuonmed

if they spend so much how much art was brought to ukrr from the usa and eu ?????????????

Well, they have not yet completely translated Soviet art (from their own videos, this is clearly visible), although it has thinned out fairly

[opuonmed]

Quote: Volodin

Some ammunition components are so scarce that their supply to the troops (in the West) has increased from several months to several years. Many factories are already working in 3 shifts, recruitment is underway.

they write a current article about Western shells and not about Soviet ones! they write that they produce in 3 shifts and that stocks are leaving

Some ammunition components are so scarce that their supply to the troops (in the West) has increased from several months to several years. Many factories are already working in 3 shifts, recruitment is underway.

that's the question of how much art the usa and eu put!

[Volodin]

Quote: opuonmed

they write a current article about Western shells and not about Soviet ones! they write that they produce in 3 shifts and that stocks are leaving

The article writes about how much ammunition the Ukrainian army spends. And in this article, the FT decided "stupidly" not to divide shells into NATO and Soviet calibers, dumping everything in one heap

[opuonmed]

how much art does it mean there is in ukrr that they spend about 6k?

[igorbrsv]

Our artillery crews fire about 50 shots during active combat operations (for example), judging by the interview. Consequently, Ukraine has at least 120 guns simultaneously deployed on the front line. But the tools have a different resource. The Russians have more, the NATO ones have less. Therefore, at least the same number of guns they have under repair.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Everything is somehow abstract and with an emphasis on iron.
But every ammunition kills someone.
Both on the other side and on ours.
Estimates "not tasty" are obtained.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: opuonmed

if they spend as much as art was brought to ukrr from the usa and eu

Well, as always, whoever brought the "artu" pays for the shells. And just like that, so Russia is to blame.

[topol717]

1 long barrel can fire 1 shot per minute. but something like this, fired 3-4 bullets and changed position. We shoot for 16 hours, then we sleep for 8 hours, we also need to eat. it means really let there be 8 shots per hour for 16 hours, about 100 shots a day. but this is the ceiling, really a maximum of 50 average no more than 30 shots. We divide 5000 by 30 and we get no more than 150 trunks in total.
Well, such a moment. each barrel in a long time, i.e. without firing 3 rounds per minute, it can fire somewhere around 5 rounds, then it will go under replacement. With 000 trunks, they worked out their entire resource in half a year. By the way, what is there with ours, also a question.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

6000 shells per 815 kilometers of the front is about 7 outfits per day per kilometer of the front (fire density).

[Volodin]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

6000 shells per 815 kilometers of the front is about 7 outfits per day per kilometer of the front (fire density).

I don’t think that a howitzer is standing right on every kilometer of the 815-km front and hitting, hitting, hitting. It is quite clear that we are talking about the hottest areas.

[Simple]

Not the topic:

Comrade Volodin, when will two "tarpaulin boots" be removed from my nickname?

Completely demolished to holes!

Have some conscience.

[Volodin]

Quote: Simple

Comrade Volodin, when will two "tarpaulin boots" be removed from my nickname?

Completely demolished to holes!

Have some conscience.

I'm not on "tarpaulin boots" on nicknames - neither in shoes, nor in removal))

[Simple]

And when will everyone restore the "bell"?

[Volodin]

Quote: Simple

And when will everyone restore the "bell"?

Ask the technical support service. And then the questions you have for me are really not the topic))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Simple

And when will everyone restore the "bell"?

Well, it was not just removed in order to restore it back. And then we communicate with each other here, it somehow didn’t like it there ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Volodin

I don’t think that a howitzer is standing right on every kilometer of the 815-km front and hitting, hitting, hitting. It is quite clear that we are talking about the hottest areas.

Where it is dense, where it is empty - what's the difference?
Not "in milk" they fly.
They kill.
And our guys and Ukrainian lads.
Striped can remotely play bookkeeping,
and we need to stop it by force.
Nefig guys spend. They are needed for something else.

[topol717]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Striped can remotely play bookkeeping,
and we need to stop it abruptly by force.

Yes, no. Just not a truce and a ceasefire. 8 years ago we already signed the Minsk agreements, ENOUGH. Now we will sign when our tanks are in Lvov.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Specially highlighted in bold:

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

need to stop abruptly by force.

Neither negotiations nor "gestures of good will" apply to forceful methods.

[Brturin]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

6000 shells for 815 kilometers of front, this is where

Mathematics is an exact science, but the question is in the initial data - how many shells are destroyed in warehouses and how they are taken into account, if they are added to those fired, then ... if separately, then the capacities of the factories need to be adjusted ...

[voice of reason]

Apparently, simply in principle, Western industry cannot produce high-precision artillery munitions in such quantities.

[Simple]

The ECV raised its key rate. Now, many firms have entered an indefinite pause with investments. If only the state itself will fork out. It won't be able to continue for a long time - the EU economy can go to pieces.
Or the second option - to the war, and then quickly into the dressing.

[Vlodek]

the second option killed the USSR with a combination of low oil prices and a crop failure. if they have high energy prices and finally our FU in relation to the supply of the same fertilizers to Europe, then the EU will easily scatter like a flock of cockroaches in all directions

[topol717]

We are neither cold nor hot from the dispersal of the EU. It is the US goal to tear apart the EU.
But the EU's refusal to finance 404 would be a good sign.

[Sergey Obraztsov]

To find out how much, on average, one unit of artillery fires ammunition per day in a hospital, one could estimate the total number of guns at the front.

[igorbrsv]

Artillery interview. During active hostilities, the calculation fires 50-100 shots from the gun. Imagine carrying 50-kilogram pigs all day long. 10 pieces per hour. A pint every five minutes. It's not rushing. And in an hour they can make fifty shots

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Estimate better the total number of losses!

[igorbrsv]

If every twentieth blank kills one Vushnik, then a thousand Vushniks per day

[blackGRAIL]

And yet, it's not as bad as the media portrays.

Ukraine monthly uses up to 40 155 mm artillery shells (we get about 480 per year), while the total production of such shells in Europe is about 300 per year, says the owner of Czechoslovak Group AS (produced 2022 in 90). from this volume). In 2023, CGAS will fire at least 100 thousand 155-mm shells.

The Norwegian-Finnish Nordic Ammunition Company (Nammo) received 2023 times more orders for artillery shells for 10.

Rheinmetall chief Papperger: "We can produce 240 tank rounds (000mm) a year, more than the world needs." He added that the production capacity of 120 mm artillery shells could be increased to 155-450 per year (000 tank and artillery shells were produced in 500). Rheinmetall AG has filed a €000 billion bid for Spanish ammunition manufacturer Expal Systems SA, making Rheinmetall the largest producer of both types of ammunition in the world. Rheinmetall is also considering launching a new gunpowder factory, possibly in the East German state of Saxony, but an investment of between 2022 and 70 million euros should already be funded by the central government. Papperger noted that the plant is necessary, since a shortage in the production of special gunpowders could be a bottleneck and slow down efforts to increase the production of tank and artillery shells.

The United States produced more than 2022 thousand 170-mm shells in 155. They announced a large-scale increase in production - within two years, the release will be increased to 1.080 shells (more than 000 times).

South Korea sold 100 thousand shells to the United States (delivery in 2023). There will be an exchange here rather - the shells will go to the US warehouses, and the Yankees will send their shells to Ukraine. Unless, of course, Korea will be stubborn.

[poquello]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

And yet, it's not as bad as the media portrays.

Ukraine monthly uses up to 40 155 mm artillery shells (we get about 480 per year), while the total production of such shells in Europe is about 300 per year, says the owner of Czechoslovak Group AS (produced 2022 in 90). from this volume). In 2023, CGAS will fire at least 100 thousand 155-mm shells.

The Norwegian-Finnish Nordic Ammunition Company (Nammo) received 2023 times more orders for artillery shells for 10.

Rheinmetall chief Papperger: "We can produce 240 tank rounds (000mm) a year, more than the world needs." He added that the production capacity of 120 mm artillery shells could be increased to 155-450 per year (000 tank and artillery shells were produced in 500). Rheinmetall AG has filed a €000 billion bid for Spanish ammunition manufacturer Expal Systems SA, making Rheinmetall the largest producer of both types of ammunition in the world. Rheinmetall is also considering launching a new gunpowder factory, possibly in the East German state of Saxony, but an investment of between 2022 and 70 million euros should already be funded by the central government. Papperger noted that the plant is necessary, since a shortage in the production of special gunpowders could be a bottleneck and slow down efforts to increase the production of tank and artillery shells.

The United States produced more than 2022 thousand 170-mm shells in 155. They announced a large-scale increase in production - within two years, the release will be increased to 1.080 shells (more than 000 times).

South Korea sold 100 thousand shells to the United States (delivery in 2023). There will be an exchange here rather - the shells will go to the US warehouses, and the Yankees will send their shells to Ukraine. Unless, of course, Korea will be stubborn.

) total 6 daggers

[igorbrsv]

But they don't have raw materials. Some ingredients are missing.
And I feel ... oops, they bought them from us. Enough to ban their sale. Few by ourselves. 20 per month in total. True, this is only artillery.
And so, yes .... They can produce more. Could.. Would like to.. If only...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Again about iron.
But it kills.
Is it better to focus on life?

[Vlodek]

in order to tightly shove energy into a projectile in the form of explosives, it must first be collected and concentrated. where will Rheinmetall take resources to "shove" them into shells? will schools be unfrozen to help Ukryna? liver sausage will be quickly minced

[topol717]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

Ukraine monthly uses up to 40 thousand artillery shells of 155 mm caliber (we receive about 480 thousand per year)

Someone talked about 5-6 thousand shots per day. and this is not 40 thousand per month, but 150-180 thousand.
And what is 40 a month, it's roughly 000 a day. even if there are 1300 barrels, then this is only 100 shells per barrel per day. it's too little.

[solar]

Here is the article. If it requires money, open it through Google.
https://www.ft.com/content/ea5b48b1-61e6-4c91-8778-4cc2edaff0ca
An article about the sharp increase in the production of ammunition, they work around the clock, attract other countries, for example, Australia, to the production.
The flywheel of the arms race is spinning.

For comparison: about the same amount of artillery ammunition is produced in a small European country per year.

Correct quote

... produces more than 5000 artillery shots daily, which is equal to the annual order volume of a small European country in peacetime.

[igorbrsv]

The meaning is still the same.
"At the moment, they produce so much, so much is spent. I would like to produce more"

[abrakadabre]

Ukrainian troops spend up to 6 artillery shells in just a day of fighting and shelling.

And then for them it is new that a serious war requires a lot of ammunition. As if these photos were not taken in Europe:

[topol717]

And what about the replacement of trunks in the field? Do they make trunks? Are they changed in Kyiv or sent to Europe?

[yho]

And what, Russia spends less shells? Or maybe we have more production capacity?

[Maks1995]

About nothing.
Except that:
1) The militarization of Ukraine is growing. Previously, the gap in shells was declared 1:10. Now 1:4
2) Before the HPP, NATO didn’t prepare for a war with Russia and didn’t make any stocks of ammunition
Now the role of NATO and the military-industrial complex is growing ...
3) The world and the West are forced to send golden rain to the military-industrial complex. Rhine metal, they wrote, plans to triple profits next year and its shares in Russia are getting more expensive. (What do you think, who buys them from us? And who invests the money of the Central Bank in the Amer Central Bank?)

[storm]

For comparison: about the same amount of artillery ammunition is produced in a small European country per year.

More than 50 countries from all over the world, small, medium and large, send shells for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and if you add up their industrial potential, it will turn out to be an order of magnitude greater than ours, only to maintain a balance of supply and demand they do not need to mobilize the economy and attract significant internal resources.
To cover military spending, the West began spending frozen Russian $350 billion.
That is, they are fighting against Russia for the money that has accumulated over several years from the sale of hydrocarbons, and the "helpful" Kremlin figures have taken this money back to the West ....

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Now Ukraine uses the following types of shells:

- 155 mm NATO. The main one after the exhaustion of Soviet stocks of 122 mm and 152 mm. Probably the most common in the world, even the Chinese have switched to it. Excellent unification, at the very least, any shells made since 1943 are suitable (but, of course, more modern ones fly further). They try to provide Ukraine first of all with them.

- 152 mm for "Acacia" and D-20 (with "Msta" everything is a bit complicated). Was the main projectile of the Armed Forces of Ukraine until of events. The stock was practically exhausted in battles. It is in great demand, since the APU has a lot of guns for it (still more than 155 mm) and trained crews for these guns. And these are not only Soviet systems, but also freshly delivered Czech Dana.

-122 mm for D-30 and Gvozdik. In general, the caliber has outlived its time, but the guns using it are well mastered and very accurate for their technological level. If 152-mm shells are still in short supply only in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then the AFRF also has problems with 122-mm shells (they wanted to abandon it before the SVO).

- 105 mm NATO. So far relatively rare, but they are clearly trying to replace the 122 mm. Light and agile howitzers that do not pretend to counter-battery, but quickly bombard advancing / defending infantry with shells. The task is to reduce the consumption of 155 mm where they are redundant. 105-mm NATO at one time riveted fairly, but she herself does not really need them.

203 mm for "Peony". Very powerful (weighs 2,5 times more than 152/155 mm), flies very far, but ... The self-propelled gun weighs and is the size of a small armored train, the rate of fire is low, the shells are expensive and very inaccurate at long distances. Why was she made like this? And under atomic ammunition. But, of course, it is used with conventional projectiles. It is in service only in the CIS countries, so ammunition can only come from there. Videos of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are at least trying to impress

- 100 mm for "Rapier". The anti-tank gun will easily take any light armored vehicles or even the T-62 head-on, but against modern tanks it is weak and vulnerable. First, the troops of the LDNR, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and now, according to rumors, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation adapted it for firing from closed positions. Actually, this is provided for on a regular basis, but the effectiveness is much inferior to the same 105-mm howitzers. Why is it applied? Well, you have to put guns and shells somewhere when there are not enough others.

152-mm projectile for "Hyacinth". There are very few shells and guns in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The only advantage is that they shoot far (at the level of good NATO 155 mm). It is very difficult to get them, so it is unlikely that Ukrainians even think about them.

130 mm projectile for the Croatian gun. The Slavic brothers bet from generosity. The thing is outdated, on the other hand, we have already used howitzers of the 1943 model. And the 130-mm shoots far even by today's standards, and the projectile is not the weakest. That's just on both sides there is no mention of real use.

120 mm French rifled mine. It seems like a mortar, but in terms of range and accuracy it is rather closer to artillery. It was definitely delivered to Ukraine and used there. There is a version that our "Nona" is copied from the French system to the extent of interchangeability of ammunition.

There are also a couple of specific calibers, but there is not even reliable information about the deliveries about them, and they are certainly not used in battles.

To summarize, there are two critical categories of ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

- 155 mm. Almost all new guns (self-propelled and towed) come in this caliber. And it is with these ammunition that the West can provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine in noticeable quantities both now and in the future. Now in America, Europe, South Korea (and, probably, in other Asian countries), large-scale production is being launched both for Ukraine and for their own needs. Last but not least, this caliber produces the deadliest high-precision projectiles: the American Excalibur, the French BONUS, the German Smart. All of them are already actively used in Ukraine.

- 152 mm and 122 mm. They are not as effective and long-range, but under them in the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are a large number of guns with prepared crews - still far superior to the number of Western artillery systems. They ran out of supplies in the first period of the NMD and are now on starvation rations, but providing them with a sufficient number of shells would dramatically change the situation. Now Western countries are not only looking for and buying up Soviet shells in all countries up to Africa, but are also setting up new production in Eastern Europe.

[Armen Sologyan]

Here, and what I wrote about... Not only the demilitarization of Ukraine, but also the demilitarization of NATO countries supplying weapons. We kill two fat birds with one stone. Good luck to our hunters in hunting for leopards!

[Illanatol]

Quote: Beetle1991

A very incorrect comparison.
It is stupid to produce 6000 shells a year. 20 rounds a day? What kind of mini-shop for the production of artillery shells is this?
If there is a production line, then tens/hundreds of thousands are stamped per year. If there is no production, then there is no production.

Production is flexible. On the same production lines, it is possible to produce not only shells, but also other products.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Max1995

1) The militarization of Ukraine is growing. Previously, the gap in shells was declared 1:10. Now 1:4
2) Before the HPP, NATO didn’t prepare for a war with Russia and didn’t make any stocks of ammunition
Now the role of NATO and the military-industrial complex is growing ...
3) The world and the West are forced to send golden rain to the military-industrial complex.

1) Debatable. It wasn't they who began to shoot more often, but rather we began to shoot less often.
2) Stocks were, but not large. Increasing is unlikely. The produced product has to be given to Zalezhnaya.
3) Golden rain does not come from nowhere. Other budget items will have to be cut. "Guns instead of butter"? Well, the electorate will appreciate it over time, especially since oil is not cheap anyway...