Norwegian infantry fighting vehicles and self-propelled mortars for Ukraine

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Norwegian infantry fighting vehicles and self-propelled mortars for Ukraine
Norwegian infantry fighting vehicles CV9030N on exercises


Norway intends to continue the military-technical regime to the Kyiv regime and even expands the range of such supplies. At the end of January, they announced their desire to transfer to Ukraine the main Tanks Leopard 2, and now the possibility of sending armored vehicles of the CV90 family is being discussed. From the presence of their own army, a certain number of infantry fighting vehicles and self-propelled mortars on a unified platform can be distinguished.



Deliveries and plans


Norway began sending military products to Ukraine in the spring of 2022. During the year, it shipped a large number of infantry weapons, as well as M109 self-propelled howitzers and M270 MLRS multiple launch rocket systems. In addition, the Norwegian government allocated money to participate in the purchase of foreign weapons for subsequent transfer to the Kyiv regime.

In recent weeks, NATO countries have been actively discussing the issue of supplying new armored vehicles to Ukraine, incl. tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. The Norwegian Ministry of Defense expressed its readiness to participate in such assistance. So, at the end of January, they announced the possibility of transferring eight Leopard 2A4NO MBTs from the presence of their own army.

On February 1, the Norwegian television channel TV2 announced the new plans of the Norwegian leadership. With reference to the military department, it is alleged that the supply of military equipment will continue. In particular, the possibility of transferring a number of CV90 infantry fighting vehicles and CV90RWS Multi BK self-propelled mortars on the same chassis is currently being studied. If a positive decision is made, the equipment will be taken from their own combat units.


As far as is known, the Norwegian command is still studying the existing fleet of armored vehicles and has not yet come to a final decision. At the same time, it is already clear that its capabilities in the context of the transfer of armored vehicles are very limited. Thus, the tank fleet of the Norwegian army includes only 36 Leopard 2A4NO vehicles, not counting a certain amount of unusable equipment.

The CV90 family includes 91 infantry fighting vehicles, 21 reconnaissance vehicles and at least 16 self-propelled mortars. There are also several dozens of auxiliary vehicles - command and staff, engineering, multi-purpose, etc.

It is easy to see that the write-off and sending to Ukraine of any number of armored vehicles will have a significant negative impact on the quantitative and qualitative indicators of the Norwegian army. However, the Norwegian government has already donated cannon and rocket artillery to help the “ally”. It could probably arrange similar cuts in other areas as well.

Technique in service


Armored vehicles of the CV90 family are of Swedish origin. The promising BMP, which later became a unified platform and the basis for a whole family of equipment, was created by Hägglunds and Bofors for the Swedish ground forces. The development and testing of new equipment was completed in the early nineties, and deliveries of serial equipment in various modifications soon began. In the Swedish army, the BMP received the designation Strf 90.


Inside the troop compartment

At the same time, new equipment under the designation CV90 was brought to the international market. Foreign customers were offered machines of different classes and with different equipment, made on a common tracked platform. To date, CV90 different versions have entered service with six countries. Several other armies tested such equipment, but did not place orders. Signing of new contracts is expected in the near future.

Norway was one of the first customers for the CV90. She began to receive such equipment already in 1994, with a minimum lag behind Sweden. The first contracts provided for the supply of more than 160 machines of several modifications, modified to meet the wishes of the customer. Most of this fleet was made up of infantry fighting vehicles in the CV9030N version. Products of other modifications were also supplied.

As the operation continued, the Norwegian CV90s underwent minor and medium repairs, as well as minimally updated and re-equipped. In 2012, Norway and Sweden agreed to conduct a major modernization program for 144 remaining armored vehicles of all models. In 2016-17 Norway has tested and ordered 16 CV90RWS Multi BK self-propelled mortars.

Features and capabilities


Norway has CV9030N infantry fighting vehicles - an export version of the basic Swedish product Strf 90 with some differences and features. This is a tracked armored vehicle with a crew of 3 people, designed to carry 7-8 soldiers, as well as to protect them with armor and support with fire.


Self-propelled mortar CV90RWS Multi BK

CV9030N, like other samples of the family, has a welded front-engine armored hull. The frontal projection is protected from 30 mm projectiles; for other areas, protection against 14,5 mm bullets is declared. During the modernization, the Norwegian infantry fighting vehicles got the opportunity to install overhead booking modules that improve protection against projectiles, shrapnel and cumulative ammunition.

The index CV9030 indicates the use of a fighting compartment with a 30 mm Bushmaster II automatic cannon. There is a digital fire control system with optoelectronic sights for the gunner and commander. During the operation of the SLA, it was updated several times with an increase in the main characteristics. The ability of the 30-mm cannon to hit lightly armored targets at distances of at least hundreds of meters is declared. Auxiliary weapon - 7,62 mm coaxial machine gun.

Like other early variants of the CV90, the Norwegian IFVs are equipped with a 14 hp Scania DS550 engine. The undercarriage has a torsion bar suspension. The maximum speed on the highway is declared at the level of 70 km / h. Power reserve - at least 320-350 km.

Self-propelled mortar CV90RWS Multi BK is made on the BMP chassis. It is distinguished by the absence of a turret and the use of almost all internal volumes as a fighting compartment. Inside the hull is a VingPos mortar complex with an L16A2 muzzle-loading mortar of 81 mm caliber. The mortar barrel is mounted on a remote-controlled module with the possibility of circular pickup and elevation change. Ammunition - 50 shots.


Learning Norwegian Calculations

The combat module VingPos is controlled by the same name SLA. The topographic location of the combat vehicle is provided, the calculation of data for firing and automatic aiming, incl. with recovery after a shot. The high automation of the firing process made it possible to reduce the calculation of the mortar to two people - the commander-operator and the loader.

The 81-mm L16A2 mortar is loaded manually and allows you to get a rate of fire of up to 10-12 rds / min. When firing standard high-explosive fragmentation mines weighing up to 4-4,2 kg, a range of up to 4,8 km is achieved. The smoke mine is sent for 5,7 km. At the same time, an automated control system allows you to improve the accuracy of shooting.

Countermeasures


It is very likely that Norway will again decide to reduce the fleet of armored vehicles of its own army in order to help Ukraine. At the same time, it can be expected that such a technique will not bring any noticeable benefit to the Kyiv regime. The results of its application will be negatively affected by the limited number, insufficient level of crew training, etc.

A certain influence on the effectiveness of the use and survivability will be exerted by the methods of combat use of equipment. Thus, the CV9030N infantry fighting vehicles are designed to work at the forefront, where there are serious risks and threats. Any Ukrainian BMP, incl. Swedish production under the current conditions is endangered, and its survival on the battlefield becomes unlikely.


Charger at work

The CV9030N is only protected against small caliber artillery systems. The armor of this infantry fighting vehicle will not withstand larger caliber shells or cumulative ammunition. As a result, the duration of the participation of such a vehicle in combat mainly depends on the composition of the armaments and equipment of the enemy.

The self-propelled mortar CV90RWS Multi BK should not go to the front line and is intended to work from closed positions in the near rear. At the same time, a self-propelled platform allows you to quickly arrive at a position, fire and leave before a retaliatory strike. However, such a machine also has disadvantages and faces certain difficulties and risks.

So, due to the relatively small caliber, the firing range does not exceed 4,8 km. This imposes serious restrictions on the choice of firing position. In addition, for firing, the mortar will have to enter the affected area of ​​various artillery and missile systems, up to modern anti-tank systems. Regular armor can save the CV90RWS Multi BK and its crew from bullets, shrapnel or some shells, but a direct hit by a large-caliber ammunition or rocket will lead to an understandable result.

with predictable results


In general, the situation around the Norwegian armored vehicles for the Kyiv regime is following a familiar scenario. A foreign state is going to help Ukraine and transfer weapons or equipment from its own army to it. At the same time, the volume of supplies will be very limited. They will not affect the position of the Kyiv regime, but the supplier country's own army will suffer significant damage.

How the Norwegian leadership is going to get out of this situation will become known in the very near future. The most reasonable thing for him would be to refuse the supply of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, etc. - in the interests of their own security. However, foreign partners are asking for help too convincingly, and, apparently, the Norwegian army will soon run out of armored vehicles.
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  1. +7
    8 February 2023 05: 02
    It is important not that the armor is weak, but that there is a mortar. Pickups without armor did a lot of dirty tricks.
    1. +1
      8 February 2023 05: 48
      Quote: Andrey Moskvin
      It is important not that the armor is weak, but that there is a mortar.

      This is where the question arises: - if the "armor is weak" and "there is a mortar", then this very mortar should shoot at a distance from which it is already difficult to hit such weak armor. And for this it turns out that it is desirable to have a mortar with a caliber of 120 mm, the mine of which flies further, and it is desirable to charge that mine in general in automatic mode. He fired back and quickly, quickly to the side "just in case", including to replenish ammunition. Somehow I see such armored vehicles armed with a mortar, I hope that I'm not mistaken here
      1. 0
        8 February 2023 06: 46
        I was also surprised at the caliber. It seems that all such machines have 120mm.
        1. +2
          8 February 2023 09: 51
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          I was also surprised at the caliber. It seems that all such machines have 120mm.

          The question is in the tactics of use ... 80-mm mortars are weapons of a different command level, the recoil is also different ... automation allows you to quickly drive up, shoot back and dump before the enemy realizes what it was, well, or act directly from the ranks of the advancing armored infantry ...
      2. +1
        8 February 2023 09: 02
        There is nothing surprising in the caliber 81 or 82 mm. We also have a similar 2K32 Deva - an 82-mm self-propelled mortar system.

        A single caliber for unification with portable mortars in mountain brigades. With the new mine 3-O-26 and enhanced powder charge, the range increased to 6 km.
        And, apparently, not everyone had the opportunity to purchase a 120-mm mortar module with modern recoil systems, not demanding on chassis stability.
        1. -2
          8 February 2023 10: 02
          Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
          ... 120-mm mortar module with modern recoil systems, not demanding on chassis stability.

          For a person, it looks frankly wild: - to transfer the huge impulse of the mortar and the recoil from the mortar to the always strong chassis, and even more so to the suspension. In my opinion, the advantages of both a mortar and a mortar are precisely that the recoil momentum can be transferred directly to the ground, this is how a portable mortar is arranged, but in the mobile version it can be done quite easily, due to the mortar’s lowering mechanism, which is minimal in complexity, completely exclude at least some load on the chassis of any vehicle, and not only an armored personnel carrier. Is it really that I described here so difficult to implement?
          1. +3
            8 February 2023 10: 58
            Quote: venaya
            In my opinion, the advantages of both a mortar and a mortar are precisely that the recoil momentum can be transferred directly to the ground, this is how a portable mortar is arranged, but in the mobile version it can be quite easy, due to the mortar’s lowering mechanism, which is minimal in complexity, completely exclude at least some load on the chassis of any vehicle, and not only an armored personnel carrier.

            So for this you need to either take out the mortar for the dimensions of the fighting compartment (slab behind the stern), or pervert with the plate under the bottom of the car.
            In the first option, this will lead to the need for the calculation to work without armor cover. In the second - to invent a mechanism for raising and lowering the plate (taking into account the need to maintain the tightness of the bottom and the lack of access to the mechanics under this bottom).
            And most importantly - no one wants to waste time lifting the plate. Because a mortar for the same AIR radar is perhaps the simplest target: a high trajectory, clean ballistics, and work practically from the front line.
            1. +1
              8 February 2023 11: 43
              In the 120-mm mortar complex MZ-204 "Highlander", our designers managed to take the mortar out of the fighting compartment and ensure loading without leaving the vehicle. But it seems that they made a mistake with the choice of chassis, the small armored volume of the "Tiger" does not allow transporting a significant ammunition load.
            2. -4
              8 February 2023 13: 49
              Quote: Alexey RA
              So for this you need to either take out the mortar for the dimensions of the fighting compartment (slab behind the stern), or pervert with the plate under the bottom of the car.
              In the first option, this will lead to the need for the calculation to work without armor cover. In the second - to invent a mechanism for raising and lowering the plate (taking into account the need to maintain the tightness of the bottom and the lack of access to the mechanics under this bottom).
              And most importantly - no one wants to waste time lifting the slab. ...

              Naturally, I consider only the option "pervert with a plate under the bottom of the car" as the most promising and giving the maximum possible useful results. And about: "taking into account the need to maintain the tightness of the bottom" - so remember the skirt of air-cushion vehicles, you can choose the material for such a "skirt" yourself, and not necessarily a calender, you can also be more flexible and more stretchable. As for: "the lack of access to the mechanics under this bottom" - here I am somewhat surprised, since it is clearly a separate removable device that is completely rigidly connected neither to the body nor to the bottom. First, the mortar is separated, after which you can do anything with the bottom of the armored personnel carrier, I clearly don’t see any problems here. And one more thing: "no one wants to waste time raising the slab" - something incomprehensible, not only is it possible to go at first in an emergency situation without any raising the slab, unless of course it is very necessary, but actually the loss of time for raising the slab that way on an order of magnitude less than if a mortar is thrown from the ground from the side into the body, and even that process is not so difficult to mechanize, there is compressed air, or hydraulics, or even a second "wow". In general, as far as I notice, the main problem is the general "laziness of the mother", nothing else is visible yet.
              Yes, I also forgot to add that carrying excess ammunition with you is not only not advisable, but in general it is clearly and not safe.
              1. +2
                8 February 2023 15: 23
                What do you want to achieve?
                The mortar should be as simple as possible and not expensive. There are many concepts, but one way or another they rest on products that are already finished and delivered to the conveyor - these are nona, hosta, and in the future, lotus. Drok and Phlox projects stand apart (there is just not an armored crew when firing). Sad in all these lines is only the absence of a modernized Chinese version of Vasilka with a range of 6 km, but it would be better to bring it up to 8, but how realistic is the question.
                1. -1
                  8 February 2023 16: 50
                  Quote: Old_war
                  What do you want to achieve?
                  The mortar should be as simple as possible and not expensive. There are many concepts...

                  Yes, I seem to have clearly expressed my position, namely, to solve the problem of decoupling the mortar recoil impulse from the chassis and the gentle suspension of the armored conveyor ... And then you can do whatever you want, anything, and not only under 120 mm mines, but maybe even 203 mm and if you try really hard, it’s possible that you will finally be able to “attach legs” and a 305 mm mortar, but then more in dreams, although this may be possible. and what exactly to install on an armored personnel carrier - I think that this is more of a task for the customer, I myself think that it is better to install various systems, including some version of the same "Cornflower", everything should be in the hands of the customer. So think, like I clearly expressed my position on this issue.
              2. 0
                9 February 2023 10: 12
                Quote: venaya
                As for: "the lack of access to the mechanics under this bottom" - here I am somewhat surprised, since it is clearly a separate removable device that is completely rigidly connected neither to the body nor to the bottom.

                I meant "in the field for mechanisms under the bottom outside the booked volume."
                Quote: venaya
                And one more thing: "no one wants to waste time raising the slab" - something incomprehensible, not only is it possible to go at first in an emergency situation without any raising the slab, unless of course it is very necessary, but actually the loss of time for raising the slab that way on an order of magnitude less than if a mortar is thrown from the ground from the side into the body, and even that process is not so difficult to mechanize, there is compressed air, or hydraulics, or even a second "wow".

                I compared not with towed systems, but with self-propelled systems without a plate, damping recoil due to suspension. Because the army team will first of all compare the proposed self-propelled mortar with a lowered plate with them - asking a reasonable question "why do we need this miracle, give us 2S23". smile
              3. 0
                2 May 2023 23: 53
                Instead of suffering with the removal of the mortar plate out of dimensions, lowering the plate under the bottom, it is better to approach the matter in a completely new way and make a caterpillar robot-mortar without people at all (it is safe with any kind of ammunition, since there are no people nearby). Here I sketched its appearance in the article: https://topwar.ru/149646-vremja-roboto-pehoty-robot-minometchik-razvitie-karmannoj-artillerii.html Of course, this robot can automatically lower the plate / hooks to the ground before firing, but in principle, for a tracked robot weighing about a ton with an 82 mm mortar, you can shoot without it.
            3. 0
              8 February 2023 22: 55
              solve the problem of decoupling the mortar recoil impulse from the chassis and gentle suspension of the armored conveyor

              It seems there is another way to increase the recoil rate, as in Sprut-SD. It seems to me that even in Wiesel with a mortar, I don’t remember.
  2. +5
    8 February 2023 06: 06
    In addition, for firing, the mortar will have to enter the affected area of ​​various artillery and missile systems, up to modern anti-tank systems.


    The author, the distance of 4, 8 km is quite sufficient, and the automated FCS and topographic location allow you to make the first shot at the target within a maximum of a minute and also quickly leave the position.
  3. +8
    8 February 2023 07: 01
    At the same time, it can be expected that such a technique will not bring any noticeable benefit to the Kyiv regime.

    ...
    Well, what to discuss, the author is doing well
    1. +2
      8 February 2023 11: 02
      Uh-huh ... Despite the fact that the tactics of nomadic mortars have been used in the Donbass since 2014 ...
  4. +2
    8 February 2023 10: 35
    A very serious infantry fighting vehicle, and the armor for this class of vehicles is very good rolled steel, spaced apart + hinged armored modules of passive protection
    Forehead of the hull, mm/deg.
    NATO STANAG 4569 Level 5+
    protection against 30-mm BOPTS, in general, it and mortars are quite capable of spoiling the blood
  5. 0
    8 February 2023 11: 58
    Quote: Alexey RA
    And most importantly - no one wants to waste time lifting the plate. Because a mortar for the same AIR radar is perhaps the simplest target: a high trajectory, clean ballistics, and work practically from the front line.

    And in addition to the above, this mortar has a circular sector of fire, and to change the sector, you do not need to position the vehicle itself, which it will be deprived of in the version with a lowered plate. Well, as already noted, the booking for such a car is very solid. The counter-batteries will not be able to quickly achieve a direct hit, and she is not afraid of close gaps and fragments. There is no need for ATGMs, a mortar usually works from closed positions, and ATGMs are line-of-sight weapons. The only negative is the caliber. On this chassis, you could and should have done something 120mm.
    1. +1
      8 February 2023 22: 00
      Quote: KSVK
      The only negative is the caliber. On this chassis, you could and should have done something 120mm.

      )))
      Yes, it looks unbalanced. On the M113 or even a pickup truck, an 80mm mortar looks appropriate, but a more serious weapon asks for such a heavy base.

      Well, this idea came to mind not only to us. Granatkastarpansarbandvagn 90 (yes, not only the Germans know how to use such names)
      1. 0
        8 February 2023 22: 44
        So I imagine… Archers have suppressed our artillery… Drones are hanging in the air… CV90RWS put out smoke and HE mines are exploding in positions… CV9030(40) have turned into attack formations and are moving forward, spraying everything that moves with their cannons… The combination of cannon mortar fire does not give raise your head, let alone deploy ATGMs ...
        And KSVK writes this:
        The only negative is the caliber. On this chassis, you could and should have done something 120mm.
        1. +2
          9 February 2023 07: 59
          Quote from cold wind
          Archers have suppressed our artillery… Drones are hanging in the air… CV90RWS put out smoke and HE mines are exploding in position… CV9030(40) deployed in attack formations and drive forward, spraying everything that moves with their cannons… The combination of cannon mortar fire does not let them raise their heads, not what to deploy ATGMs ...

          There is no need to be like the patriots and the now famous copy-paste "when the Russian army appears in front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine." An 80mm mortar on a 20+ ton vehicle really looks like an attempt to save on matches. Modern systems with soft recoil allow you to place a 120mm mortar or 105mm howitzer based on the Hummer.

          Of course, this does not lead to the conclusion about smart couch Moltke and stupid Norwegians, where only Brainwick understands weapons. The Norwegians do not have any mortars in service, except for 80mm, and of course they ordered his mortar on the chassis of his BMP. Naturally, unification is more important for a real army than our considerations with the KSVK about harmonious military vehicles.
  6. +5
    8 February 2023 12: 19
    The CV9030N is only protected against small caliber artillery systems. The armor of this infantry fighting vehicle will not withstand larger caliber shells or cumulative ammunition. As a result, the duration of the participation of such a vehicle in combat mainly depends on the composition of the armaments and equipment of the enemy.

    The author is not tired of writing utter nonsense? Doesn’t it bother him that the BMP-1 and 2 currently in use (I’m not talking about the motorcycle league at all) have no protection from small-caliber artillery systems at all?
  7. +2
    8 February 2023 16: 40
    The CV9030N is only protected against small caliber artillery systems. The armor of this infantry fighting vehicle will not withstand larger caliber shells or cumulative ammunition.


    For our BMP-1 and BMP-2, such armor protection "does not shine" even if an additional attachment kit is installed, however, no one removes them from the front line despite the fact that even a 7,62 machine gun pierces them through from side to side.
    1. +2
      9 February 2023 08: 22
      Where does such information come from that a 7,62 screw cartridge pierces the sides of kopecks and twos ??? At the school, in night firing, they regularly thrashed the sides of neighboring infantry fighting vehicles and nothing, everyone is alive and not in one hole. By the way, the current Brigadier General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine studied with me, now, in my opinion, someone’s deputy in their Ministry of Defense, and by the way, in Yurga, they fired at him on board, the distance was nothing. The smoking room is alive and became a fascist.
      1. 0
        10 February 2023 23: 37
        Quote: _The Drifter_
        At the school, in night firing, they regularly hit the sides of neighboring infantry fighting vehicles

        And what did they poke out of?
  8. +3
    8 February 2023 17: 49
    with predictable results
    ...At the same time, the supply volumes will be very limited. They will not affect the position of the Kyiv regime, but the supplier country's own army will suffer significant damage.
    You read this sacramental-typical phrase and immediately everything is clear ... winked
    1. +2
      8 February 2023 22: 56
      It's not even funny anymore. It came to one of the best infantry fighting vehicles in the world, and the author keeps copy-pasting his mantra
      In general, the situation around the Norwegian armored vehicles for the Kyiv regime is following a familiar scenario. A foreign state is going to help Ukraine and transfer weapons or equipment from its own army to it. At the same time, the volume of supplies will be very limited. They will not affect the position of the Kyiv regime, but the supplier country's own army will suffer significant damage.
  9. 0
    10 February 2023 07: 50
    Quote: Maxim Davydov
    It's not even funny anymore. It came to one of the best infantry fighting vehicles in the world, and the author keeps copy-pasting his mantra

    And who "crowned" her for the best?
    This is her main exam in her career, so to speak in battle.
    1. 0
      10 February 2023 23: 35
      Quote: Zufei
      And who "crowned" her for the best?

      It is believed that the SV-90, created later by Bradley and even more so by Marder, is the best machine in the 30-ton class. At the same time, the newest and stronger machines of the 40-ton class still have many complaints from the operation.
      Quote: Zufei
      so to speak in battle

      It looks like it won't be long to wait.
  10. 0
    26 February 2023 02: 51
    At the same time, the volume of supplies will be very limited. They will not affect the position of the Kyiv regime, but the supplier country's own army will suffer significant damage.


    Such statements by the author sound quite ironic in articles about the supply of NATO equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the backdrop of a war that has been going on for more than a year, the front line has not moved for more than 7 months and the removal of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from conservation of such antiques as D-1, D-30 and, Lord God, BTR-50.
  11. 0
    3 May 2023 00: 13
    The article indicates the main feature of the Norwegian version of the BMP:
    The index CV9030 indicates the use of a fighting compartment with a 30 mm Bushmaster II automatic cannon.


    The Norwegians here gracefully caved in under the Americans and put their fashionable modern 30 mm cannon (with types of ammunition switched during automatic firing). But the fact is that initially the Swedish CV90 infantry fighting vehicle was equipped with the good old Swedish Bofors L70 gun of 40 mm caliber.
    For her, the Swedes have developed robust APFSDS-T sub-caliber tungsten shells that confidently penetrate 100 mm of rolled armor at an angle of 45 degrees: https://youtu.be/Nj0q-sxKrvg?t=116

    The tank cannot be pierced from the front (but the attachments and the cannon can be damaged), and the side and rear of the tank can be completely disabled by such shells.