And how many poor people are there in Russia now

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And how many poor people are there in Russia now


If you don't have a job...


Are you wondering if there were more or fewer poor people in the USSR compared to modern Russia? I have no doubt that even very much, which was confirmed by the interest in the last publication on the topic (And if poverty is really not a vice). After all, liberal propagandists have been doing nothing but scaring us with empty Soviet counters for the past decades!



We have already cited the figure of the officially poor in modern Russia - 17,2 million people, or approximately 12% of the population. Professor Vyacheslav Bobkov, Head of the Laboratory for Problems of the Level and Quality of Life of the Institute of Socio-Economic Problems of Population of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Director of the Scientific Center for Labor Economics of the REU. G. V. Plekhanova recently told the press that a large study “Social results of 30 years of capitalist reforms” was conducted, covering the period from 1990 to 2020.

Scientists have studied such an indicator as spending on consumption. To determine how many were poor, they took not the subsistence level, but the consumer basket. In Soviet Russia in 1990, this layer was only 0,2% of the population. For comparison: in 2014, the share of the poorest was 13,7%, and in 2020 it has already reached 17,2%!

Professor Bobkov also recalled that public consumption funds operated in Soviet times: free medicine, education. At the same time, he pointed out that the number of the poor is underestimated, because the consumer price index for the poor is higher than the general one. Moreover, according to his data, there is also a second layer of low-income people - this is another 28,5% of the population.

But not only that - the third layer follows - provided below the average level.

“Therefore, it is important to pursue an income policy that would allow one to get out of poverty and low income,”

- Bobkov quite reasonably believes.

Numbers are a stubborn thing


And some more numbers.

Russia is not among the 50 poorest countries in the world in terms of human well-being. But even among the rich states it is not there either. Our country is a strong middle peasant. At least it was in 2021.

I don’t know if we will remain in the middle of the ranking of countries in terms of wealth at the end of 2022. After all, inflation in Russia at the end of 2022 amounted to 11,94%, which follows from Rosstat data. Prices for services increased the most - by 13,19% in December 2022 compared to the same period in 2021. Recall that the minimum wage has increased since January 1 by 6,3%. Here, as they say, such pies.

Doctor of Economics, Professor, Chief Researcher at the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences Nikita Krichevsky wrote in his Telegram channel about the causes of poverty:

“In our case (poverty) is the lack of social justice.”

Interestingly, February 20 is World Day of Social Justice. It was proclaimed by the UN General Assembly in 2007. In his message on this day, the then UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon stated that equal opportunities, solidarity and respect for human rights are extremely important for the full development of the productive potential of nations and peoples.

“Social justice is not just an ethical imperative, it is the foundation of national stability and global prosperity. World Day of Social Justice aims to mobilize all nations to take concrete action to give real meaning to the universal values ​​of human dignity and opportunity for all.”

– then said the head of the UN.


Social justice tops the list of values ​​on which, according to Russians, the future of the country should be built, a study by the Institute of Sociology of the Russian Academy of Sciences has shown. According to VTsIOM and FOM, two years ago, every second Russian believed that the level of social justice in the country had not changed in recent years. One in three thought the situation had gotten worse.

The majority believed that the achievement of social justice depends primarily on the government (this opinion was shared by 62% of the respondents). However, the government's policy rather impedes or does not affect the strengthening of justice in society (32% and 30%, respectively). But in the summer of 2022, a VTsIOM poll showed that the problem of stratification is as relevant as in the early 90s: about 70% of Russians called inequality too high, 30 years ago almost 80% thought so.

The stratification of Russia...


According to Rosstat, according to the results of the second quarter of 2022, the wealthiest 10% of Russians accounted for 30% of the monetary income of the population (in total, these incomes amounted to 19,4 trillion rubles in the second quarter). Only 10% of total income was concentrated in the hands of the poorest 2% of citizens. And the average income of the wealthiest Russians reached 132,92 thousand rubles.

This is 15 times higher than the average income of the poorest 10%, which amounted to only 8,86 thousand rubles. and turned out to be almost 40% lower than the subsistence level, which has been at the level of 1 thousand rubles since June 2022, 13,9. It is worth pointing out that these data do not reflect the whole situation. Since Rosstat estimates income without taking into account proceeds from property, which include, for example, income from shares of certain companies.

However, in terms of wealth concentration, Russia is one of the world leaders. So, according to the French scientist Philip Novokmet, 1% of the super-rich in Russia holds 43-56% of the country's money resources, this is the highest figure in the world! Professor of the Moscow Higher School of Social and Economic Sciences Grigory Yudin practically agrees with him:

“If we take only billionaires (these are, in fact, several families), then they own 30 percent of Russia's wealth. It was recently calculated that the amount of funds withdrawn from Russia only by these people is equal to the wealth owned by the rest of the country's population. These numbers can hardly fit in my head!

The Higher School of Economics (HSE) studied the subjective perception of different types of inequality in Russia. The most acute majority of respondents (67,2%) called income inequality. In second and third place were unequal access to medical care and different living conditions. At the same time, sources of super-wealth cause irritation in society.

According to HSE researchers, Russians are dissatisfied with the fact that huge amounts of money are earned not in the intellectual and high-tech industries, but in the extraction of natural resources - scientists called such sources of income "bad" from the point of view of society's perception.

Didn't get paid


And so news TASS:

Moscow, 26 December. The Rosneft shareholders' meeting approved the decision to pay interim dividends. The company will allocate funds in the amount of 216,1 billion rubles to pay them. And the volume of Gazprom's dividends for the same time will amount to 1 trillion 208,059 billion rubles. This is a record stories "Gazprom" amount.

Note that almost 11% of the company's shares are ADRs. An ADR is an American Depositary Receipt, a publicly traded security on the US stock market that certifies ownership of the shares of a foreign company deposited with a US depository bank.

Well, how. Especially during the NWO and American supplies of arms and money to Ukraine! Well, we have had capitalism for a long time, when a penny per ruble is most important. And here we are talking about billions!

In short, today social justice is not just a condition for the fight against poverty. But in fact, the condition for the survival of Russia. After all, economic inequality is bad because it also leads to political inequality. People who have a huge amount of money and resources concentrate all power in their hands and block access to power for others! And they make important political decisions in their own interests.

And what to do with it? But in general, nothing special, even revolutions are not needed.

“We must abandon the liberal economic policy, dismiss the liberal team and begin to implement a correct, nationally oriented, patriotic economic policy,”

- economist Mikhail Khazin is sure.

According to him, liberal monetary, budgetary, tax and foreign trade policies are the most harmful for Russia. There is nothing to add here. A change in the economic course has been talked about for a long time, and in connection with the NWO, especially often. Without a change of course, it is impossible to carry out the economic mobilization of the country, and hence to win Victory!
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  1. +21
    9 February 2023 04: 39
    Well, according to the statements of the Sun-faced Guarantor, the "middle class" is 17,500. winked

    “We must abandon the liberal economic policy, dismiss the liberal team and begin to implement a correct, nationally oriented, patriotic economic policy,”
    - economist Mikhail Khazin is sure.

    Khazin? laughing Has this economy freak had at least one prediction come true? Stories about "left turn" and "$ kapets" are not even funny to read.
    1. +21
      9 February 2023 04: 54
      It's not even funny to read anymore.
      I agree with you, as I agree with the author
      Without a change in course, it is impossible to carry out the economic mobilization of the country, and therefore - to win the Victory!
      1. +21
        9 February 2023 05: 15
        But who will change this course if everyone who is now at the helm is not interested in this. They are fine.
        Or until the roasted rooster pecks?
      2. +14
        9 February 2023 08: 23
        . Without a change of course, it is impossible to carry out the economic mobilization of the country, and therefore - to win the Victory!

        Well, even hats probably agree with this! The question is different. Can those in power do it? It's like a sickle on one sensitive spot.
        And if they do decide, will it not remain at the level of empty declarations? On like those that promised to raise our pension with the help of the well-known
        retirement robbery.
        1. +14
          9 February 2023 08: 47
          Without a change in course, it is impossible to carry out the economic mobilization of the country, and therefore - to win the Victory!

          1. I went and looked out the windows, no protests - everyone is happy. So everything is fine.
          2. The current socio-economic course with the impoverishment of the people - the people themselves warmly support and approve.
          3. We cannot live without the owner's boot. This is the basis of our patriarchal society with traditional values. We have children and grandchildren. No maydauns.
          4. I suggest that those who disagree kneel in front of the TV. Only for a short time - otherwise they will be charged for an unsanctioned rally not in a place specially established for holding public events.
          1. +4
            9 February 2023 10: 36
            . We cannot live without the master's boot. This is the basis of our patriarchal society with traditional values.

            Hereditary slaves, do you think? In 1905 and then in 1917 they managed to drive a stake down the throat of the Russian bourgeoisie. First in the world. Even the Germans turned out to be patient serfs, although they were skinned to rutabaga and onion skins during the war.
            1. +4
              9 February 2023 13: 05
              Quote: dauria
              Hereditary slaves, do you think? In 1905 and then in 1917 they managed to drive a stake down the throat of the Russian bourgeoisie. First in the world. Even the Germans turned out to be patient serfs, although they were skinned to rutabaga and onion skins during the war.

              And the result? Everything is back to normal. NOT slaves, but an obedient and non-conflict mentality. Weak character.
              1. +7
                9 February 2023 21: 43
                Quote: Civil
                NOT slaves, but an obedient and non-conflict mentality.

                The pensioner asked the president how she could live on a pension of 7 thousand.
                - You see, my own salary in the country is not the highest, - the President answered.
                “Our breadwinner, you, tea, suffer no less than mavo?” the old woman howled and handed the president a hundred.
                1. +9
                  9 February 2023 21: 46
                  - Vladimir Vladimirovich, what will happen if people are left without funds and without help?
                  - We'll sit in paradise. And they just die...

                  Self-isolation of the state from citizens has become legal.
            2. -2
              10 February 2023 13: 44
              You would have looked at you in 1905 to work at the factory)) the standard of living is incomparable now and in 1905. Right now for a protest in jail and in 905 a bullet
            3. 0
              11 February 2023 16: 43
              Quote: dauria
              In 1905 and then in 1917 they managed to drive a stake down the throat of the Russian bourgeoisie. First in the world

              All the most active were then put under the knife
    2. -24
      9 February 2023 07: 38
      Quote from Venture_Star
      Well, according to the statements of the Sun-faced Guarantor, the "middle class" is 17,500

      Are you talking about the law that the Duma adopted and approved by the Federation Council? State the reason why the Guarantor of the Constitution had the legal right not to sign it. What art. Constitution violates this Law? Where in the Constitution is written a ban on improving the welfare of citizens?

      Quote from Venture_Star
      Has this economy freak had at least one prediction come true?

      There is not a single economist in the world who predicted inflation.

      Who can do this is the one who controls the bankers. As soon as there is an amount on the accounts of citizens, above which citizens stop working, inflation immediately "happens" and their funds depreciate. Squirrels in the wheel should spin from morning to evening, from evening to morning, preferably without breaks for meals, weekends and holidays ...
      1. +17
        9 February 2023 11: 11
        Boris, it’s always not the ship’s captain’s fault with you, but the first mate, assistant, fur, cook, sailor, low-quality diesel, weather, rats - anyone and anything .. everything prevents him from captaining, as expected, but to change / replace anyone / nothing - for some reason it’s impossible .. but yes .. the best captain in the world ..
        1. -14
          9 February 2023 12: 36
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          Boris, it’s always not the captain of the ship who is to blame for you,

          Are we talking about laws or concepts? Laws are for the Duma. To concepts - this is to the liberals.
          In our state, only the Duma and no one else has the right to pass laws. Neither Putin, nor Matvienko, nor Volodin, nor Medvedev, nor Vasya Pupkin - only the Duma!

          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          and to change / replace anyone / nothing - for some reason it is impossible ..

          It is impossible because this will violate inter-clan agreements on the distribution of seats in power between the clans that have developed after the elections. Clans can change their representatives in power. A representative of one clan (Putin - security forces) cannot replace a representative of another clan (Medvedev - bourgeois).

          I hope that you don't have rose-colored glasses and you don't think that there are clans only there (Clinton, Bushes), in Ukraine, but we can't have that.

          ps
          "State policy and management in a crowd-" elite "society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals."
      2. +3
        10 February 2023 20: 52
        State the reason why the Guarantor of the Constitution had the legal right not to sign it. What art. Constitution violates this Law? Where in the Constitution is written a ban on improving the welfare of citizens?
        You are clearly stuck on such phrases, although everything has been chewed for a long time and repeatedly! The work of a propagandist is not easy, if you repeat the same thing like a parrot, ignoring any arguments ... winked
    3. +7
      9 February 2023 07: 55
      Quote from Venture_Star
      Khazin?

      Khazin, like Delyagin, is just eager for the feeder. All their opposition comes from this. If they are integrated into the system, they will immediately switch to approve, sir
      1. +6
        9 February 2023 10: 27
        Khazin, like Delyagin, just rush to the feeder

        Khazin’s brother is built into the system - he doesn’t allow too much
    4. -18
      9 February 2023 08: 20
      And who is your Sun-faced Guarantor? And where are you?
      1. +23
        9 February 2023 09: 23
        "Guarantor" we have one! The text of my comment is too short and according to the administration...
        1. -16
          9 February 2023 09: 53
          The second part of the question: where are you located?
          1. +7
            9 February 2023 12: 01
            Dear. For what purpose are you interested?
          2. +13
            9 February 2023 12: 28
            Dear, Just_Kvasha (Sergey)
            The second part of the question: where are you located?

            For what purpose are you interested? For what?
            Maybe you should ask
            1. WHY:
            MOSCOW, July 22. /TASS/. The Bank of Russia raised its forecast for the outflow of capital from the Russian Federation in 2022 to $246 billion from $151 billion, according to the materials of the regulator. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/15285493

            2. WHY:
            From March 1, 2023, income and property declarations of Russian deputies and members of the Federation Council will no longer be published.
            Read more at https://aurora.network/articles/10-vlast-i-obshhestvo/108472-deklaratsii-rossiyskikh-deputatov-perestanut-publikovat

            I would like to see your answer.
            There are many more WHY questions.
    5. +9
      9 February 2023 20: 51
      "middle class" is 17,500
      But the "poor" ministers.
      Denis and Natalya Manturov - 754 million rubles
      Vitaly Savelyev and his wife - 395 million rubles
      Tatyana Golikova and Viktor Khristenko - 310 million rubles
      Dmitry Peskov and Tatyana Navka - 225,4 million rubles
      Nikolai Shulginov and his wife - 205,6 million rubles
      Dmitry and Tatyana Chernyshenko - 201 million rubles
      Dmitry Patrushev - 133,1 million rubles
      Andrey Belousov with his wife Larisa Belousova - 93,2 million rubles
      Mikhail Mishustin with his wife Vladlena Mishustin - 83,7 million rubles
      Irek Faizullin with his wife - 83,4 million
      Here are 10 ministers and their annual income. Yes, here everyone can provide a Ukrainian operation.
    6. +2
      10 February 2023 13: 42
      You do not understand!!!! There is no time for slacking off!!!!
  2. +27
    9 February 2023 04: 56
    What "positive" news early in the morning
    1% of the super-rich in Russia holds 43-56% of the country's money resources, this is the highest figure in the world!
    Not only in the field of ballet, we are ahead of the rest))
    1. +15
      9 February 2023 05: 39
      fire the liberal team
      Ulyukaev has already been fired, Kudrin has left, Chubais has left! crying And where is the new policy? request
      1. +13
        9 February 2023 06: 20
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Already fired ... left ... left ... And where is the new policy?

        The usual, routine struggle for power of groups/clans cannot affect the general capitalist vector in any way. "From the change of the boyar, the serf will not be better off" ...
      2. +21
        9 February 2023 06: 20
        Well, yes, they rearranged the beds, but what's the point .. Or are you talking about changing course? So the helmsman will answer with a quote from the film
        "No! I can't go for that!"
        1. +12
          9 February 2023 07: 57
          Quote: not the one
          about changing course

          There is only one course - capitalism, and everything else -
          Quote: Stas157
          just her little screws
          1. +6
            9 February 2023 08: 09
            Quote: Doccor18
            Course one - capitalism

            That's right - Capitalism! In his most vile formation! am
          2. +14
            9 February 2023 08: 29
            good afternoon hi
            Quote: Doccor18
            Course one - capitalism,

            Yes, we do not have capitalism in its classical sense. We have a different, much "more interesting" request ...
            1. +11
              9 February 2023 09: 11
              In the classical sense, there is no capitalism anywhere laughing
      3. +19
        9 February 2023 07: 08
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Ulyukaev has already been fired, Kudrin has left, Chubais has left! And where new policy?

        In kirgud. It turned out that the ghouls Chubais, Kudrin and Ulyukaev were not the basis of a vicious system, but only its small cogs.
    2. +15
      9 February 2023 07: 59
      Not only in the field of ballet, we are ahead of the rest
      Yes, I already think that in ballet they are not ahead and in chess they are not the most, the most, in hockey they are not the most, the most .. into space, the Americans roll ..
    3. AUL
      +6
      9 February 2023 10: 55
      Quote: not the one
      What "positive" news early in the morning

      Began to read this "positive". But when the author began to juggle with percentages from our "objective" statistics, obtained according to a "scientifically based method", he stopped reading - boring and not new. The author, you can ask an immodest question - how much do they pay for such opuses?
  3. +13
    9 February 2023 05: 04
    I would like to know, we overtook Portugal, caught up with it .. How are things going with this .. I remember that at the receiver, it seems, Medvedev was threatened .. She was then in 50th place, Russia is lower ..
    1. +6
      9 February 2023 05: 58
      Quote: parusnik
      I would like to know we are Portugal overtaken, overtaken.. How are things going with this .. I remember that at the receiver, it seems, Medvedev was threatened .. She was then in 50th place, Russia is lower ..

      This is a great secret)))) The main thing is to "designate a vector" - and there at least the grass does not grow am Lie, draw another red line
      1. +8
        9 February 2023 13: 36
        The main thing is to "designate a vector" - and there at least the grass does not grow am

        A couple of decades ago, we were catching up with America in gasoline prices ....
        Caught up! New goal - catch up with Europe!
        "There are three troubles in Russia: fools, roads and fools showing us the way!" (With)
    2. +21
      9 February 2023 06: 14
      Portugal was overtaken, caught up .. She was then in 50th place
      This Portugal turned out to be fast, the infection ... It doesn’t work out with it, it’s already the forty-ninth, all the more so, can you catch up .. Now we can at least catch up and overtake the Romanians from Latvia. Apparently such a goal now, I don’t know ..
  4. +21
    9 February 2023 05: 04
    No matter how many poor there are in the poor USSR, the savings of the Soviet poor are still frozen and they are not going to give them away.. Paradox!

    Knowing the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar in the late USSR and the price of gold in foreign currency, we can estimate the gold content of the average salary and pension in the USSR even now. If I’m not mistaken, we were shod about the same in terms of salaries and pensions, about twice .....
    1. Alf
      +8
      9 February 2023 19: 45
      Quote: ivan2022
      No matter how many poor there are in the poor USSR, the savings of the Soviet poor are still frozen and they are not going to give them away.. Paradox!

  5. +21
    9 February 2023 05: 51
    After all, inflation in Russia at the end of 2022 amounted to 11,94%, which follows from Rosstat data.

    Hee hee... Ha ha (3x!!!) laughing laughing laughing
    Something the prices for products have increased by 30-50 percent over the year in our grocery store))) You tell them that everything has increased by only 12 percent))))))))
    1. +7
      9 February 2023 06: 01
      Something the prices of groceries have increased by 30-50 percent over the year in our grocery store
      An unforeseen increase in housing and communal services. Everything is growing, but the standard of living is declining, how so? smile It would be the other way around..
      1. +4
        9 February 2023 08: 16
        Quote: parusnik
        Unforeseen increase in utility services

        We were thrown here: 300 rubles. from sq. per month for "overexpenditure of utility resources" what
    2. -24
      9 February 2023 06: 03
      You have a primitive philistine way to measure inflation. Firstly, ordinary people most often measure it by 2-3 goods (they simply don’t remember more). And inflation is measured by groups. You simply do not have the opportunity to collect such statistics. Secondly, you measure the level of growth where? In the local shop "At Ashot"? Inflation looks from the manufacturer. Because the product can go through a long chain of purchasing and repurchasing intermediaries, in which each link determines for itself how much to charge.
      1. +33
        9 February 2023 06: 25
        Excuse me, of course, we didn’t finish the academies ... But how else can we, the townsfolk, measure this matter - naturally we look at prices, and not at scientific works .. And they (prices) tell us directly that eleven percent for ours and so skinny wallets don’t smell ... Here is such a squiggle it turns out, panimash ..
        1. -22
          9 February 2023 06: 40
          Then do not write that you are measuring them, this does not smell like measurement. Just write that the rise in prices in the retail network is ahead of the growth of your personal (Vasya Pupkin's) income. Then it will be right and logical
      2. +7
        9 February 2023 06: 39
        In the local shop "At Ashot"?
        In our town, all the local shops "At Ashot" have already closed. They were replaced by the network "six", Magnet near the house, Yermolino, and a couple more of these. And Ashots disappeared as a class ..
        1. -10
          9 February 2023 07: 10
          What city is this in? Adjoining shops of the city format are not killed as a class. I saw them in millionaires, and even more so in cities of a level slightly higher than urban settlements
      3. +33
        9 February 2023 07: 57
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        You have a primitive philistine way to measure inflation. Firstly, ordinary people most often measure it by 2-3 products

        Come on, tell the townsfolk how inflation is calculated by scientists, otherwise no one knows here except you!

        Have you heard of consumer inflation? And about the fact that personal inflation differs from the official one and the pensioner does not give a damn that Rosstat has low inflation when there is no longer enough for the usual set of products?
        The article is just about the fact that official calculations do not take into account the real poverty of the population. Everything is like in the kingdom of crooked mirrors.
      4. +7
        9 February 2023 08: 18
        Here they are, the problems of statistics .... Calculation methods can be almost ideal, but ... the initial data for calculations can be formed in different ways (representativeness of the sample). To put it simply, when calculating the inflation rate, they look at the dynamics of producer prices, but what does this mean to us, except for joy for the producer? We are concerned about the final price, but you can’t see it, you can see the manufacturer’s price.
        1. +10
          9 February 2023 13: 46
          Here they are, the problems of statistics ....

          "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics" (c)
          - Moishe, how much is twice two?
          - Are we selling or buying?
          1. +3
            10 February 2023 14: 09
            Quote: VIK1711
            - Moishe, how much is twice two?
            - Are we selling or buying?

            From the same series. Interview with chief accountant.
            Petrov, how much will twice two - four! next
            Sheladze, how much is twice two - five, six! next
            Abramovich, how many will be twice two, as much as necessary, so much will be.
            Congratulations Abramovich, the vacancy is yours. hi
      5. +14
        9 February 2023 10: 30
        "Because the product can go through a long chain of purchasing and repurchasing intermediaries, in which each link determines for itself - and how much it should charge."
        I don't give a damn about this chain of speculators. I buy "At Ashot", and at its prices I determine the inflation that was concocted for me, and not for some abstract consumer. and in my reality, only two groups of goods are becoming more expensive - food products and non-food products. inflation is an invention of Jewish bankers, AND DETERMINES ONLY THE STRENGTH AND POWER OF POWER_ THE HIGHER INFLATION, the weaker the power. and what kind of power can be with inflation of 50-100%?
      6. +13
        9 February 2023 13: 42
        You have a primitive philistine way to measure inflation.

        If the communal increased by 13%, but food and everything else did not fall in price? How much does a communal apartment weigh in the income of the poor in%? And who will calculate the cost of medicines for people over the age of 50?
        Or maybe they will explain the sharp reduction in pensioners on the points: from "pension reform", from "did not live", from "chronic diseases", ...
      7. 0
        9 February 2023 16: 29
        You are absolutely right. But most people cannot explain this - they see only individual facts, and not the whole picture.
    3. +8
      9 February 2023 08: 37
      Quote: Corona without virus
      You tell them that everything has increased by only 12 percent)))))))

      Laugh, laugh ... How not to remember such inflation after a while, as a period of stability and steady growth in the well-being (of the electorate ... well, or whoever comes up with a definition) of the population hi
  6. +1
    9 February 2023 05: 52
    We need to abandon the liberal economic policy, fire the liberal team...
    The idea seems to be correct, but the question arises, what prevents this? And here we run into a wall of omissions, lengthy explanations, but we do not get a direct answer. Therefore, everyone comes to the answer to this question independently, but with a different result.
    1. +6
      9 February 2023 06: 01
      Quote: rotmistr60
      We need to abandon the liberal economic policy, fire the liberal team...
      The idea seems to be correct, but the question arises, what prevents this? And here we run into a wall of omissions, lengthy explanations, but we do not get a direct answer. Therefore, everyone comes to the answer to this question independently, but with a different result.

      The answer is in the joke

      In the zoo, on the cage of an elephant, it is written that he eats 40 kilograms of bread, 30 kilograms of potatoes, 50 ... One of the visitors asks the employee: - Tell me, will the elephant really eat all this? - He will eat something, but who will give him ?!

      Well, the power will not fire itself)))
  7. +12
    9 February 2023 05: 58
    Is poverty when there is nothing to eat, or a lack of everything necessary for life? "Love each other. All the same, two pensions are better than one." It's like looking at poverty. If through the eyes of a rich man who only lacks a butler, then this is one thing. Often divorces lead to poverty. When the breadwinner leaves the family. everything is directed in favor of the rich. And if so, no one is interested in the percentage of the poor. In which case it can be corrected.
    1. +2
      10 February 2023 14: 16
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Still, two pensions are better than one.

      Mishustin proudly declared that the participants of the SVO will receive two pensions! One of which is disability! And how much is it? He did not voice it, he knows that he spends more per day. hi
  8. +7
    9 February 2023 06: 04
    We need to abandon the liberal economic policy, fire the liberal team...
    So, who forms the team? Is it really the Washington Regional Committee? smile
    1. +3
      9 February 2023 06: 14
      Quote: parusnik
      Who forms the team?

      You won't get an answer to this question! wink
      1. +6
        9 February 2023 06: 33
        You won't get an answer to this question!
        I'll wait, Boris, he'll come, he'll explain everything.. Yes
        1. +2
          9 February 2023 08: 20
          Quote: parusnik
          I'll wait

          Naive youngster! Sorry, didn't mean to offend! feel I understood the message hi
        2. +6
          9 February 2023 08: 40
          Quote: parusnik
          I'll wait, Boris, he'll come, he'll explain everything..

          He was already up there. Territory marked laughing
          1. +1
            9 February 2023 13: 19
            Quote: Adrey
            He was already here

            So it's Boris or BОrice ? laughing
            1. +3
              9 February 2023 17: 18
              Quote from Uncle Lee
              So is it Boris or Boris?

              Definitely not Johnson request laughing
  9. -26
    9 February 2023 06: 19
    The stratification of Russia...

    Well, a very speculative article. The author is a lover to parasitize on such material. In fact, the situation with poverty as a phenomenon is much more complicated than what the author is trying to describe. And its mechanisms are different and assessments are not so primitive. Therefore, this reading is good for those who like to gossip about social injustice, but as a serious study it is worthless.
    ps And yes, for effect, the author sins by juggling facts. As in the case of comparing the growth of inflation and the minimum wage. She took inflation data for the period 2022-2023 (11,94%), and the change in the minimum wage only from January 2023 (6,3%). But if we calculate the changes in the minimum wage starting from 2022 (12 rubles at the beginning of the year) to 792 (2023 rubles, taking into account the January increase), then the dynamics of the change will not be 16% indicated by the author, but 242%. It does not look so impressive for the general message and the author decided to be cunning))
    1. -27
      9 February 2023 06: 48
      Therefore, this reading is good for those who like to gossip about social injustice, but as a serious study it is worthless.

      This is a rubric for whining, not for serious assessments. Here everyone believes that the article is written directly about them, about the poor. Although if they were poor, they could hardly afford to surf the Internet. One of the definitions of poverty is the inability to meet basic needs - housing, food, medical treatment.
      1. +22
        9 February 2023 07: 23
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        Here's a rubric for whining

        So don't. Pass by.
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      2. +32
        9 February 2023 08: 57
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        Although if they were poor, they could hardly afford to surf the Internet

        Class! This, of course, is a measure of "poverty-wealth" in the 21st century, you can't say anything .. You would also say: "well, how poor they are, electricity burns in houses, and not torches with kerosene lamps." And then they would give out a local , the crown on the mountain - "look how many cars are in the yards" .. Well, yes, not carts with one-wheelers, however ..
        1. -28
          9 February 2023 11: 01
          Class! This, of course, is the measure of "poverty-wealth" in the 21st century

          just a yardstick. If you can afford to buy a computer, smartphone and pay for Internet access, then you are very far from the classic definition of poverty. Of course, you can have subjective concepts, but they in no way reflect the real situation.
          "Stop whining, go to work."

          a very good call for many who are not happy with their current position.
          "look how many cars are in the yards"

          Last year, 45,5 million cars were registered in Russia. Taking into account the fact that there are 52,7 million households in Russia, it turns out that approximately 86,3% of Russian families own a car. Let me remind you of the classic definition of poverty:
          a characteristic of the economic situation of an individual or a social group in which they cannot satisfy a certain range of minimum needs necessary for life, preservation of working capacity, procreation.

          Minimum Needs Circle! And this, as already mentioned above - food, housing and treatment.
          You can spit at least as much as you can, and the local "poor people" can even peck the "minus" button on their iPhones for my comment until they turn blue in their fingers, but this will not change the essence of things.
          1. +15
            9 February 2023 12: 46
            Recall the classic definition of poverty

            Wikipedia is already cited as a classic))
            If we refer to Wikipedia, then after this definition, a lot of clarifying things are written there. And if we are to be critical, it is interesting to hear from you how much you can satisfy the needs for "food, housing and treatment" (let's agree for the experiment that clothes and hygiene items are not basic needs) for $ 2 a day, which is already makes you by the Jesuit "classical" definitions NOT a poor person.
          2. +14
            9 February 2023 13: 06
            Quote: Ka-52
            If you can afford to buy computer, smartphone and pay for internet access, then you are very far from the classical definition of poverty.

            So you want to deny people this too? Do you consider this a luxury for Russians? Based on your comments, I'm not surprised.

            Quote: Ka-52
            Recall the classic definition of poverty

            You for educational program. Poverty in Russia determined from three indicators. From the subsistence minimum, the consumer basket and the minimum wage (SMIC).

            The size of the minimum wage is essentially the poverty line. Yes, Russian salaries are for the most part higher than the minimum wage, but if a parent's salary is distributed to dependents, then the picture can change dramatically. Now they want to raise our minimum wage, respectively, the number of people below the poverty line will increase. Since the size of the minimum wage is correlated with the number of poor people.
      3. 0
        10 February 2023 14: 23
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        One of the definitions of poverty is the inability to meet basic needs - housing, food, medical treatment.

        So satisfy virtually! You can draw a house for yourself, you can look at the food and get cured. But the most important thing is to let off steam! He cursed everyone from top to bottom and felt better. wassat
    2. +18
      9 February 2023 13: 51
      But if we calculate the changes in the minimum wage from 2022 (12 rubles at the beginning of the year) to 792 (2023 rubles, taking into account the January increase), then the dynamics of the change will not be 16% indicated by the author, but 242%. It does not look so impressive for the general message and the author decided to be cunning))

      And if we take an UNSCHEDULED increase in utility bills ... How many extra tugriks from our pockets will move into the "right" pockets?
      And tell me about the temperature of hot water! How does hot water get 10 degrees colder without a price change?
      Can you still protect the government? IT DOESN'T KNOW!!!
    3. +2
      11 February 2023 16: 54
      Quote: Ka-52
      The stratification of Russia...

      Well, a very speculative article. The author is a lover to parasitize on such material. In fact, the situation with poverty as a phenomenon is much more complicated than what the author is trying to describe. And its mechanisms are different and assessments are not so primitive. Therefore, this reading is good for those who like to gossip about social injustice, but as a serious study it is worthless.
      ps And yes, for effect, the author sins by juggling facts. As in the case of comparing the growth of inflation and the minimum wage. She took inflation data for the period 2022-2023 (11,94%), and the change in the minimum wage only from January 2023 (6,3%). But if we calculate the changes in the minimum wage starting from 2022 (12 rubles at the beginning of the year) to 792 (2023 rubles, taking into account the January increase), then the dynamics of the change will not be 16% indicated by the author, but 242%. It does not look so impressive for the general message and the author decided to be cunning))

      The increase in the minimum wage does not affect the increase in the standard of living. Because the salaries are much higher than it. Yes, some cleaner’s salary can be increased to the level of the minimum wage. As I had a salary of 21 thousand in 40, it remained. I received more than now, and the goods cost 2009 times cheaper
  10. +14
    9 February 2023 07: 03
    A change in the economic course has been talked about for a long time, and in connection with the NWO, especially often. Without a change of course, it is impossible to carry out the economic mobilization of the country, and therefore - to win the Victory!
    They say that chickens are being milked, but in fact .... you can say as much as you like, but there will be no change in course ...: Under these conditions, it would be natural for the government to decide to limit the circulation of currency, but we deliberately went for part loss
    gold and foreign exchange reserves so that all participants understand: there will be no return to the past in Russia. Russia will remain a country with a liberal market economy. We will maintain the liberal regime, which is the fundamental basis for investing in the Russian economy
    President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin.:
    ...Most recently, in Valdai...stated that the Russian economy will continue to remain a market economy, and there are no plans to move away from this model. Putin made this statement on October 27 this year during the plenary meeting of the Valdai Club.
    "In Russia, there is no need to carry out nationalization, we proceed from market conditions," Putin emphasized ...... So it is not harmful to dream, of course, but the reality is different. It was not for this that VVP was brought by the hand and put into the presidency in 1999, so that he would change something in Russia. When changing course, the so-called NWO will end by itself. The methods of conducting will immediately change, and most importantly ideology. But this, capital to admit, no way can.
    1. -17
      9 February 2023 07: 21
      When changing course

      What course and where? Do you even understand this mechanism in detail?
      the so-called NWO will end by itself.

      Due to what? Recognize the victory of Ukraine and NATO behind it? Sign an analogue of the Brest Peace with the cession of territories, as the Bolsheviks did in 1918? Do not write in slogans, reveal details
      1. +2
        9 February 2023 08: 23
        Sloganism is a sign of bots, because their task is to defecate on any topic, and there is either no knowledge on many of the issues discussed, or never was.
      2. +15
        9 February 2023 08: 28
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        What course and where? Do you even understand this mechanism in detail?
        Easily.! How did they change in 91? What was the mechanism? Do not remember, because, only the word mother learned to speak?
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        Due to what? Recognize the victory of Ukraine and NATO behind it? Sign an analogue of the Brest Peace with the cession of territories, as the Bolsheviks did in 1918? Do not write in slogans, reveal details

        There are no big problems either. At the moment, for the majority of the population, the so-called Ukraine, to change, for example, their thieves, such as Kolomoisky, to Russian ones, such as Rotenberg, does not appeal to the word at all. wet, that only feathers fly, everything will end at once. And as for the Brest Peace, time has shown who is right. Already at the end of the 18th year, the revolution covered Germany, and the henchman of the Germans, Skorapadsky, was blown away forever from Kyiv. And a year later, the Bolsheviks threw out Petlyura, and then in the 20-21 years the rest of the bastard, such as Makhno, the Poles, etc. Today, one can only dream of such terms and results. And then, the Ukrainian SSR entered the family of fraternal peoples and lived normally until the age of 91, until the USSR was destroyed. So, you need to look into history books sometimes, like those in power, in order to learn and not flog jambs.
        1. -19
          9 February 2023 11: 24
          Easily.! How did they change in 91? What was the mechanism?

          Well, if you are literate and erudite, then you can know that in 1991 the formation, that is, the system, changed. Not just a course. The change was accompanied by a global shock for the country. Only mentally ill people can wish the country to repeat itself.
          who pushes the same people

          and you go to this people. when they cut your head like a Muscovite, don't forget to shout to them that you are yours.
          And as for the Brest Peace, time has shown who is right.

          at the moment the Bolsheviks were wrong. Since they sacrificed the territories of the state in order to achieve their political goals. It is a fact. As a fact, the recognition by decrees of the Central Executive Committee in 1918 of the independence of the territories of the Republic of Ingushetia - Finland and the Baltic states.
          until the collapse of the USSR.

          and who destroyed the USSR? Just don't write about traitors led by Americans (Jewish Masons and Reptilians).
          that, it is necessary to look into history books sometimes, as well as those holding power, in order to learn and not smack jambs.

          for example, how to start a pointless war in Afghanistan and end it just as pointlessly. Well, yes, I agree, a good example
          1. +9
            9 February 2023 14: 04
            Quote: Ka-52
            Well, if you are literate and erudite, then you can know that in 1991 the formation, that is, the system, changed. Not just a course. The change was accompanied by a global shock for the country. Only mentally ill people can wish the country to repeat itself.

            Decided to show off erudition? It is commendable, you need to expand your horizons. If, when changing course, the system will also change, which is quite possible, then there will be much less regret, groaning at the current, indefinable system, and without shock, than when socialism changes to feudal-criminal. I won’t touch the members of the forum, get up off the couch, go out into the street and ask people if they will be happy when foreign suits are removed from thieves, businessmen, oligarchs, they confiscate the property acquired by theft, speculation, ripping off the people, put on a camp cliff and send them with a saw " friendship" on the construction sites of the national economy? Say what you will hear or guess? Then we can talk about the mentally ill and so on.
            Quote: Ka-52
            and you go to this people. when they cut your head like a Muscovite, don't forget to shout to them that you are yours.

            They can also cut off their heads in the Russian Federation, by the way, easily, in the same Tuva, no matter how much you fill up, that you are yours. In the USSR, Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians were never considered for some fell from the moon a foreign people, all were one people and marriages among themselves confirm this. Millions of people scattered across the expanses of Russia cannot understand how suddenly they suddenly became strangers. When you live to work, and not work to live, then other nationalities become guilty. Give a person a job, confidence in the future, social guarantees, a peaceful old age, a settled future for your children, and Banderaism will die out, as it was not in the Union.
            Quote: Ka-52
            at the moment the Bolsheviks were wrong. Since they sacrificed the territories of the state in order to achieve their political goals. It is a fact. As a fact, the recognition by decrees of the Central Executive Committee in 1918 of the independence of the territories of the Republic of Ingushetia - Finland and the Baltic states.

            In the name of what political goals did the liberal democrats of the Russian Federation recognize the sovereignty of the Baltic republics? .... The Presidium of the Russian Supreme Council issued a statement in which it warned that what was happening in the Baltic States and, in particular, in Lithuania, was fraught with "extremely dangerous consequences" for all the republics, for the emerging Union of Sovereign States. The use of military force in this region could spread throughout the country, "unleash a large-scale civil conflict." The Russian deputies demanded to withdraw from the Baltic states the "additional contingent" of troops introduced there in recent days, and to start negotiations with the legitimate representatives of the authorities of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, ignoring all kinds of self-proclaimed "national salvation committees" that have arisen there in recent days .... The High Contracting Parties recognize each other as full-fledged subjects of international law and sovereign states in accordance with their state status established by the fundamental acts adopted by the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on June 12, 1990 and the Republic of Lithuania on March 11, 1990. So do not talk about the Bolsheviks, and about the territories, everything then came full circle. But they left more than 18 million Russian speakers outside the Russian Federation and forgot about them, this is normal in the order of things. And surprisingly, they prefer not to remember those not very distant times.
            Quote: Ka-52
            for example, how to start a pointless war in Afghanistan and end it just as pointlessly. Well, yes, I agree, a good example

            And what do you know about that war, so that you can categorically talk about it? And why is it meaningless? At least it was necessary to serve in those days in TurkVO in order to have an opinion about those times. Here is the United States, not one of its wars is not considered senseless, especially in the DRA. Defense of democracy, you know.
    2. +20
      9 February 2023 10: 03
      And then the gentlemen of the liberals ran out of money and they suggested that big business, while big, chip in for a common fund.
      1. +11
        9 February 2023 15: 41
        This is a classic of domestic management. Rip off money from citizens through large monopolies, and then, puffing out their cheeks, threaten these monopolies with punishment for "unreasonable" price increases.

        And the citizens are like, "" Wow, thank God, the father-king interceded, otherwise the damned bourgeois would have left them completely without trousers.))
      2. +9
        9 February 2023 18: 08
        Quote: Gardamir
        And then the gentlemen of the liberals ran out of money and they suggested that big business, while big, chip in for a common fund.

        It would be more accurate to say that they didn’t end, but fell in love, because they are not their own, their own are reliably zanykany. And another question is whether they were definitely arrested, otherwise doubts arise looking at the actions of the "authorities".
  11. +19
    9 February 2023 07: 26
    and I was shocked by the recent news from the Ministry of Finance the other day - those 3 (three) trillion deficits that we planned for the year, we already have 1.8 trillion deficits last January (we didn’t get half the money from the sale of oil and gas, and spending on the war increased 2 times). deficit compensated from the welfare fund .. we are selling yuan and gold on a record. and 13 trillion remained from that fund ... this is for 7 months at such a pace ... and then what ??? the middle class is the one who wears shoes?
    1. -27
      9 February 2023 07: 43
      And why lie, comrade? Pay or just like it?
      1. +17
        9 February 2023 08: 07
        Quote: Sergey_tactics
        And why lie, comrade

        but why immediately "lie" comrade?))

        ... Already in January, the deficit reached 1,76 trillion rubles, which is 60% of the annual plan. ...In January, the treasury missed 47% of oil and gas and 28% of non-oil revenues. While the costs increased by 59%. In just a month, the authorities spent more than 3,1 trillion rubles, and earned only 1,4 trillion rubles. The difference of 1,76 trillion rubles was shocking...

        https://www.mk.ru/economics/2023/02/08/pravitelstvo-nashlo-sposob-spasti-byudzhet-rf-biznes-gotovitsya-k-dobrovolnym-vznosam.html

        this is still Nabiulina was not allowed to declassify the hidden budget ...
    2. -5
      9 February 2023 07: 46
      And you try to turn on the brain and think about why this deficit arose in January? Well, think about it, but were there any expenses in January in the form of advance payments under contracts, were tax payments received in January, etc.? The budget is not a uniform expenditure and receipt of funds throughout the year. More spending in one month, more income in another.
      1. +9
        9 February 2023 08: 59
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        And you try to turn on the brain and think about why this deficit arose in January? Well, think about it, but were there any expenses in January in the form of advance payments under contracts, were tax payments received in January, etc.?

        I agree with you, there are certain nuances. In order to objectively look at things, you need to wait for the indicators in February (if they don’t keep it secret).
        But how do you like this call?
        Deputy Prime Minister Andrey Belousov said today that large companies could be charged with a "one-time voluntary contribution", citing the good results of companies in the first quarter of 2022.

        Be that as it may, this does not mean that everything is fine with the budget now. I understand that the majority of colleagues will now rejoice: "They have begun to gut fat cats." The inequality threshold will again decrease by 0.1% (for a while) laughing. Well, they will shear a sheep ("blue chips") once, well, twice under the root, and then what? Should small and medium businesses get ready, should the population get tense?
        PS The dollar is currently almost 73 hi
  12. -8
    9 February 2023 07: 43
    And the type in the USA or any "European" country is different. Although there is no other way, we don’t live in tents or trailers on the streets, millions of semi-zombies don’t roam, they don’t warm themselves by the fire right next to the Capitol, as in the USA. This is capitalism, some make money, others don't.
    1. +17
      9 February 2023 09: 00
      And what do these Americas and Europes mean to me, our life is somehow closer and more interesting to me.
      This is capitalism.
      If we have capitalism, then in some wild, primitive state ..
    2. +15
      9 February 2023 09: 02
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Although there is no other way, we do not live in tents or trailers on the streets,

      Our climate is not the same request. But I will disappoint you, there are still quite enough on heating mains. Not as of course at 90-00, but there is hi
  13. +6
    9 February 2023 08: 08
    “We must abandon the liberal economic policy, dismiss the liberal team and start implementing a correct, nationally oriented, patriotic economic policy”
    30 years, the same thing, they should be fired, well, they fired something changed .. Ahhh .. Chubais, who left under Yeltsin, was to blame for everything .. There was, a little hope .. for a correct, nationally oriented, patriotic economic policy . smile
  14. +11
    9 February 2023 08: 11
    Every time someone quotes the HSE liberal trash dump, I really want to hit the quoter on the head. And further:
    People who have a huge amount of money and resources concentrate all power in their hands and block access to power for others! And they make important political decisions in their own interests.

    The history of any state for any historical period.
  15. +9
    9 February 2023 08: 29
    The rich are running. Apparently Chubais is also preparing a mink for a friend.
  16. -2
    9 February 2023 08: 29
    There is not the slightest reason to doubt the figures given, most likely, the way it is. However, poverty in different times is also different. I live in the district center, in the days of my youth in the 70s, after dancing in the city park, the whole mass of young people was an avalanche along the carriageway of the street, gradually dispersing to their homes, and at the same time did not interfere with anyone. Now, just to cross the street, you have to spend a lot of time and nerves. Maybe it's poverty, but it's not like that.
    1. +15
      9 February 2023 09: 09
      Teacher at the lesson: “Children, in Soviet times, it was customary to compare the country’s successes with 1913: there was no universal secondary education then, and there was little free medicine, and little electricity was produced, and tractors with combines ... But if we compare Soviet times with current, we note that there was no abundance in stores, and it was difficult to buy a car with an apartment, and few people had telephones, and go abroad on vacation ... What conclusion do we draw, Vovochka? “Thirty years from now, we'll find out what we don't have now and what we can't afford. laughing
      1. +5
        9 February 2023 15: 42
        when the first mummy was taken out in Egypt, in her tomb, in which she lay, an ancient papyrus was also found, deciphering it, scientists found that this same anecdote was stated on it
  17. -15
    9 February 2023 09: 12
    According to Rosstat, according to the results of the second quarter of 2022, the share of 10% of the wealthiest Russians accounted for 30% of the money income of the population

    Well, in terms of such indicators, it is necessary to at least show comparable benchmarks. For example
    The richest 10% of Americans now own 89% of all US stocks, a record high that highlights the stock market's role in widening wealth inequality

    Well, consider that the situation with the poor-rich gap in the United States is three times worse.
    And so the author came out with a goofy populism with a cry of "bourgeois - bastards."
    1. +7
      9 February 2023 09: 25
      Quote from Bingo
      Well, in terms of such indicators, it is necessary to at least show comparable benchmarks. For example
      The richest 10% of Americans now own 89% of all US stocks, a record high that highlights the stock market's role in widening wealth inequality

      I hope it's not difficult proofs? hi
      1. +2
        9 February 2023 09: 40
        Quote: Adrey
        I hope it's not difficult proofs?

        https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html
        Look for the link to the FRS there. in Russian - just google the quote
        1. +11
          9 February 2023 10: 01
          Quote from Bingo
          https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html
          Look for the link to the FRS there. in Russian - just google the quote

          Thank you. I confirm that there is such information dated 10.2021. CNBC source. The article is more about the growth in income of the "rich" during the pandemic due to the game in the stock market during the "quantitative easing".
          Numbers for comparison.
          From the link:
          According to the Fed, the total wealth of the top 1% now exceeds 32%, which is a record.

          From an article on the site:
          1% of the super-rich in Russia holds 43-56% of the country's money resources, this is the highest figure in the world!

          Bingo is not good to deceive people hi
          Those who wish can read the article and check for themselves.
          1. -8
            9 February 2023 11: 18
            Quote: Adrey
            Bingo is not good to deceive people

            Didn't cheat in any way. Showed an example that should be compared. And again you didn’t go to compare what is being compared in the article, about 10% ... I can do that too
            In May 2018, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip Alston, published a report stating that the United States has the largest income gap among Western countries. According to the report, 40 million Americans live in poverty and 18,5 million live in extreme poverty.

            It's not good to translate arrows hi
            1. +5
              9 February 2023 16: 00
              Quote from Bingo
              Didn't cheat in any way.

              Okay, let's call it "a bit of a shift in emphasis" laughing
              Quote from Bingo
              Showed an example that should be compared.

              Here is just such an example I showed. After reviewing both sources, I provided absolutely identical links hi
              You, using the same sources, preferred to bypass this comparison and cite as an example stock market indicators USA. To a certain extent, this, of course, also characterizes the situation, but does not correlate 100% with the examples I have given.
              It is probably not correct to compare the possibilities of investing rich people (who a priori have more free money supply and opportunities) in such a specific instrument as stocks, and the bulk of people with much less income who also do not have proper training. The stock market is not a simple thing at all, and the last money, "saving on breakfast", normal people do not invest there. hi
  18. +13
    9 February 2023 09: 25
    And how many poor people are there in Russia now
    If we rely on official data from the Ministry of Labor, then these are all citizens with an income equal to or lower than established by the Ministry of Labor:
    14 375 rubles
    This indexed living wage will be increased by 1% from January 2023, 3,3. Accordingly, the subsistence minimum per capita will be 14 rubles, for the able-bodied population it will be 375 rubles, for pensioners - 15 rubles, for children - 669 rubles.
    mintrud.gov.ru
    Ministry of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation...

    Another thing is who a person considers himself to be, for this you can rely on the saying:
    As the Russian proverb says: "Someone has empty cabbage soup, and someone has small pearls." Both of them consider themselves poor.
    hi
  19. +7
    9 February 2023 09: 25
    Quote from Venture_Star
    Khazin? laughing Has this economy freak had at least one prediction come true? Stories about "left turn" and "$ kapets" are not even funny to read.


    Did Khazin give specific deadlines for his forecasts?
    Wait 30-40 years, something may come true. tongue
  20. +9
    9 February 2023 09: 33
    Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
    Is poverty when there is nothing to eat, or a lack of everything necessary for life?


    It's simple. A poor person is one who can provide for himself, but can no longer support his family. A beggar - who can't really feed himself.
    Those who have less so-called. "living wage" - beggars. We have 60 percent of the poor. 70-75% of the country's population is poor and destitute. And we are not special, most of the countries in the world are poor.
    1. +14
      9 February 2023 10: 47
      And we are not special, most of the countries in the world are poor.
      This is not an excuse. Tell me, which country in the world has at least comparable (I’m not talking more) resources of the entire periodic table, like ours? Yes, with such riches of natural pantries, we should be at least ashamed of this -
      70-75% of the country's population is poor and destitute.
      1. -2
        9 February 2023 20: 27
        which country in the world has at least comparable (I'm not talking more) resources of the entire periodic table

        1) In Africa.
        Secondly:
        Are you sure that the Russian Federation has the entire periodic table?
        Thirdly.
        And in terms of production volume, the Russian Federation practically does not take 1st place anywhere.
        Even in the oil of the Russian Federation, or 2 or 3 place.
        Ranked #1 in the US.
        1. USA (average 11,8 million barrels per day by the beginning of 2022) Reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/economics/48421082/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

        Leaders in oil reserves
        https://finance.rambler.ru/economics/48421082/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

        The top ten according to OPEC looks like this:

        Venezuela (303,806 billion barrels)
        Saudi Arabia (258,600)
        Iran (208,600)
        Iraq (145,019)
        Kuwait (101,500 )
        UAE (97,800)
        Russia (80,000)

        Leaders in gas production
        https://invlab.ru/ekonomika/lidery-po-dobyche-gaza-v-mire/
        1. USA [934,2 billion m³ per year]
        2. Russia [701,7 billion m³ per year]
        3. Iran [256,7 billion m³ per year]
        .....
        9. Norway [114,4 billion m³ per year]

        Well, fourthly.
        Norway 9th place.
        At the same time, 5 million people live in Norway. and in the Russian Federation 140.
        Who is easier to feed 5 or 140 million?

        like ours? Yes, with such riches of natural pantries


        Again
        1) In terms of natural resources, the Russian Federation does not take 1st place.
        Even for gas and oil - which are the main source of income.
        About others + - exactly the same.
        Secondly, natural resources are cheaper than other goods.
        Microelectronics is more expensive.
    2. 0
      10 February 2023 14: 59
      Quote: Illanatol
      And we are not special, most of the countries in the world are poor.

      But not most countries are as rich in resources as Russia.
      One Jewish friend said that he left for Israel because although Russia is the richest country in the world, BUT people live here in such a way that you remember the proverb; "it's better to lose with the smart than to find with the cretins".... Understand how you want. He does not run from difficulties because he would be glad to lose, but from hopelessness.
  21. VLR
    +14
    9 February 2023 10: 53
    Meanwhile, the oligarchs seem to have "sent" Putin with his idea of ​​a "one-time voluntary contribution": the head of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (RSPP), Alexander Shokhin, told RBC:
    "Companies .... came to the conclusion that it is unrealizable."

    It looks like they have already put an end to it and are looking for another "roof", I'm afraid, not in Russia. And what, in fact, was Putin hoping for all these years, allowing both "businessmen" and officials to equip themselves with warm nests abroad? That at the same time they will be patriots not of the USA, Britain, France or Israel, where is their real estate, capital, wives, children, mistresses, but of Russia?
    1. +4
      9 February 2023 18: 56
      Valery, I'll tell you more.
      More than two years ago, Gazprom began to push for permission to leave all proceeds from the sale of gas abroad abroad, and not return it to Russia, so that the due tax would be removed from it and the withdrawn money would be sent to the country's budget. And he insisted!
      In 25, the entire proceeds of this state corporation will be shoveled into various foreign banks, and what it will be is unknown. As a result, the tax from Gazprom cannot really be removed - as much as they want to show profits, they will take as much tax. And for some reason there is no certainty that the tax will be taken in full. And this despite the fact that in 2020, on the occasion of covid, Gazprom was issued a so-called non-refundable loan of 100 billion rubles...
      And what do you think? Hearing about such an unheard-of happiness, the spirits of agricultural producers who sell for export perked up. Everyone rushed to trade abroad and loudly, arrogantly and persistently demanded the same for themselves - the right to leave the proceeds in foreign banks, where you will not find any ends later. And the Central Bank, together with the State Duma, "broke down", allowed ...
      So our treasury is also emptying for this reason, and not just because the export prices for energy carriers are "ceiling" for us. And in order to fill the treasury at least somehow, they introduce new housing and communal services tariffs and other extortions from the population.
      Seeing such a "weakness" on the part of the Central Bank, other developers of our subsoil and processors of raw materials will become impudent and demand the same concessions. Belousov looks extremely naive in this situation, believing that one of the oligarchs will make a voluntary contribution to the budget. The Central Bank and the government put the leash on themselves, and the oligarchs will not take it off them.
  22. +5
    9 February 2023 12: 43
    What is "poverty" in modern conditions? Previously, all this was understood more clearly - the poor was the one who could not afford to buy new clothes to eat normally, to allow minimal excesses. What do we mean by that now?
    Now often in Moscow time a person is considered "poor" who does not have a car or does not ride the sea once a year, despite the fact that he will eat like a horse and will not walk in patches. This is not the correct way to look at poverty.
    If you look through the prism of "cannot save more than a certain % of income or at all" - so many of our citizens cannot save even with a salary of 60k, this is not an indicator, everyone spends differently, everyone has a different upbringing.
    With the concept of "poverty" everything is clear - the needs are covered "back to back" or there is a complex deficit of the objectively necessary, the property that a person has is negligible, sources of income at best allow for survival. With the concept of "poverty" everything is less specific - if "poverty" is objectively defined by the inability, often, to cover basic needs, then "poverty" is much more relative to the environment - a person suffering more aesthetically than physiologically will be considered poor within a wealthy environment. Other people suffer so much without having a "beautiful life" - but at the same time having the opportunity to more than cover their needs and even methodically (albeit little by little) save, and most importantly having access (incommensurable with the opportunities available in "poverty") to the potential expansion of income bases.
    In no way am I pointing out that we "do not have poverty" - I just do not see clearly and unambiguously formulated criteria "what it is."
  23. +14
    9 February 2023 14: 25
    No matter how many slogans "change, cancel, change, imprison, shoot" sound here, nothing will change. And not because we are slaves, but because "the top does not want, the bottom cannot"
    I will express my opinion about our filthy reality. I remember very well how in the 70s my grandfather told me “I envy you young people, my whole life is ahead”, and now I look at my children and grandchildren and do not envy them. Only anxiety and fear for their future, and neither can nor can change anything.
    1. +8
      9 February 2023 15: 43
      The question is not what they want and can, revolutions "from below" "we will destroy the whole world, and then ...", can be fatal for our civilization, each time it becomes more and more destructive. And revolutions "from above" in the form of reforms are difficult to expect from people who came to power on the basis of betrayal, lies and crime. It is difficult to expect innovative ideas, breakthrough solutions from 70-year-old people who, for more than 30 years, have devoted their entire conscious labor activity to the destruction and plunder of their state, acting as a colonial administration, ensuring the interests of overseas owners of money, i.b. with such an intellectual level and fear of losing power.
  24. +6
    9 February 2023 15: 28
    The problem of poverty for the state is not in poverty itself, but in the fact that there are really too many poor people and there is simply nowhere to take money from, do you think they care about poor people and do they somehow think to solve this problem?
    nope
    they are worried that the poor, the so-called middle class, from whom at least something can be taken, are also running out. :(
  25. +5
    9 February 2023 15: 33
    It would be better if they continued to count the rich, faster and not so costly, the upper boyar class is not such a thick layer, and all the rest are serfs and tramps. T.b. that these are two different countries and peoples, with diametrically different ideas about their country, its history and culture, with completely different moral principles. Some do not associate their future with this territory, seeing in people only statistics and the degree of loss, despising the country and the people where they were "unfortunate to be born and live", and for the bulk of people the poorest in the richest country is the Motherland with its greatest history and culture, there will be no other, and they don’t need someone else’s. These two countries have different ideas and perceptions, even the laws are different, in fact, the countries are different, the traces of habitation for each estate are different.
  26. -3
    9 February 2023 16: 47
    Everything is relative.
    "According to the 2018 report of the UN Special Representative on Poverty and Human Rights Philip Alston, there are 40 million poor, 18,5 million extremely poor, and 5,3 million absolutely poor citizens in the United States, which together make up 19,7% of the population."
    And in the United States, free food is distributed to the hungry, and the number of those who wish is only growing year by year. Do you know many hungry people in Russia? Personally, I - not a single one (descended drunks near the store do not count). To whomever I come - the refrigerator is full of food.
    But I know one poor Russian - this is my brother. Constantly complaining about poverty. However, recently he and his wife bought a second apartment. I had to take a loan (already closed ahead of schedule). Such poverty! laughing
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 09: 17
      Who gave me cons - well, at least fart in your defense, write what you didn’t like in my post!
  27. +8
    9 February 2023 17: 23
    “We must abandon the liberal economic policy, dismiss the liberal team and begin to implement a correct, nationally oriented, patriotic economic policy,”

    - economist Mikhail Khazin is sure.
    Well, with whom to start layoffs? With Nabiulina or immediately with Putin?
  28. -2
    9 February 2023 17: 40
    Right now, as we refuse, we refuse, as we fire, we fire! And how will we start to pursue the right policy! Here in the smoking rooms they also talked about this, but for a long time and in other words. They don’t say anymore, maybe the level of education has dropped?)
  29. +5
    9 February 2023 17: 47
    "People of the servile rank - Real dogs sometimes: The harder the punishment, The dearer the Lord." Nikolai Alekseevich Nekrasov, "Who lives well in Rus'" For the majority of the tax-paying population of the Russian Federation, this is today a life credo. He woke up the previously dormant genes of his ancestors, former serfs. TV propagandists, represented by Solovyov V.R. and K, very professionally they inspire the tax-paying population. Everyone is happy, especially the ruling gold party. The ruling gold party still can not get drunk. As a result, the taxable population of the Russian Federation is increasingly sinking into poverty. This cannot continue indefinitely. In the near future, the refrigerator will win over the TV. Then other genes can wake up (meaningless and merciless). The Sun-faced Guarantor can hear the terrible cry "Our Tsar is not real." Then everyone will feel bad. The ruling gold party, for its physical preservation, is obliged to drastically change the economic course.
  30. 0
    9 February 2023 19: 41
    Quote: Civil
    And the result? Everything is back to normal. NOT slaves, but an obedient and non-conflict mentality. Weak character.

    The people are waiting for you when you lead the Revolution ...
  31. +1
    9 February 2023 20: 31
    And how many poor people are there in Russia now

    And all the rest, except for the enemies of the people, sitting on traitors and chasing thieves.
  32. +1
    10 February 2023 15: 58
    rzhachka. and forgive me, who will fire them all?)) themselves or something? spit at any official starting from the GDP (he is an official elected every 5 years?) and a deputy starting from the State Duma and the Soviet of Fred and ending with any lower-level boss they are all very rich people. it’s just that their real incomes are not advertised until he becomes superfluous in his flock. and when it becomes bam and he turns out to be the owner of steamboat factories and stole hundreds of millions from the budget))))) and you believe that they are themselves like, honest people come and take my money))) it’s funny to read. Not a single general has yet voluntarily resigned his positions due to mediocrity of actions in his own. On the contrary, everyone was hung with new medals))))
  33. 0
    10 February 2023 20: 47
    Doctor of Economics, Professor, Chief Researcher at the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences Nikita Krichevsky wrote in his Telegram channel about the causes of poverty:

    “In our case (poverty) is the lack of social justice.”
    Yes, and this is well known to any sane person for a long time ...
  34. +2
    10 February 2023 21: 08
    Quote: Roman Efremov
    Everything is relative.
    "According to the 2018 report of the UN Special Representative on Poverty and Human Rights Philip Alston, there are 40 million poor, 18,5 million extremely poor, and 5,3 million absolutely poor citizens in the United States, which together make up 19,7% of the population."
    And in the United States, free food is distributed to the hungry, and the number of those who wish is only growing year by year. Do you know many hungry people in Russia? Personally, I - not a single one (descended drunks near the store do not count). To whomever I come - the refrigerator is full of food.
    But I know one poor Russian - this is my brother. Constantly complaining about poverty. However, recently he and his wife bought a second apartment. I had to take a loan (already closed ahead of schedule). Such poverty! laughing

    A typical example of protective trolling !!! lol
  35. -2
    11 February 2023 09: 28
    Quote: ort
    But not most countries are as rich in resources as Russia.
    One Jewish friend said that he left for Israel because although Russia is the richest country in the world, BUT people live here in such a way that you remember the proverb; "it's better to lose with the smart than to find with the cretins".... Understand as you wish. He does not run from difficulties because he would be glad to lose, but from hopelessness.


    You are wrong. Just the majority of poor countries are very rich in natural resources.
    There is even a term: "resource curse".
    Very rich African countries live, such as the Congo, Nigeria, Gabon? There are a lot of resources in Africa: oil, uranium, diamonds, non-ferrous and rare earth metals ... that's why they were robbed for centuries by the "civilized".
    Southeast Asian countries are also not poor in resources. And what?
    Even India, despite high economic growth. There are 300 million tons. "dalits" (representatives of the lower castes) live worse than street dogs.

    Resources ... in terms of per capita resources, we are far from champions. And our resources are located in such territories that sometimes it is not very profitable to extract them even at current prices.
    During the Second World War, our "resource-rich country" built combat aircraft from plywood, since there was not enough aluminum. So these are all myths.
    From the point of view of economic and technological development, the territory of our country is very far from optimal parameters. We are in a losing situation and "Western models" do not work well for us. Climate, vast distances, inconvenient geography, uneven settlement, low labor force mobility, etc. etc.

    Israel, by the way, also has a far from optimal development model. If the Jews were able to make friends with their Arab neighbors, then only on the transit and deep processing of hydrocarbons would they have such a profit that they would live richer than the Arab sheikhs. And so - and from there people are not averse to escaping to more prosperous and calm countries (judging by some acquaintances who did just that).
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 17: 09
      Quote: Illanatol
      During the Second World War, our "resource-rich country" built combat aircraft from plywood, since there was not enough aluminum. So these are all myths.

      Many built from plywood, there is no need to cast a shadow on the wattle fence.
      Here are just a few examples. Thus, British aircraft designers did not hesitate to use wood in the construction of their aircraft for various purposes. For example, the first serial Spitfires had two-bladed wooden (mahogany-mahogany) propellers. The well-known Harry-Kanes were equipped with similar propellers. They had wooden frames and slats-stringers. The production of wooden wings was stopped only in the spring of 1940 (Fighters of the Second World War, Electric resource). The all-wood construction of the De Havilland "Mosquito", which earned the nickname "high-speed wooden miracle", is well known. This aircraft in various modifications (bomber, night fighter, fighter-bomber, reconnaissance) went through the entire war. As one of the essential advantages of the machine, it was indicated that the all-wood construction made it possible to use dozens of woodworking and furniture enterprises as subcontractors for their production.
      Thus, the unique Me.163 Komet, the only tailless aircraft equipped with a liquid-propellant rocket engine that was put into service and participated in real battles, developed a record speed and rate of climb for its time, had a wooden wing and keel structure, and a rudder

      with duralumin frame and linen lining. The Me-209HV1 high-altitude fighter was equipped with a wooden 4-bladed propeller with a diameter of 3,4 m. The same can be said about the Do.217 medium bomber with its three-bladed Schwartz wooden propeller. When designing the Me.410 Hornisse heavy fighter-bomber, at a certain design stage, in order to save money, they switched to a wooden airframe structure.

      The use of wood multiplied the production of aircraft, parts could be made in any carpentry workshop
  36. -1
    11 February 2023 09: 38
    Quote: not the one
    This is not an excuse. Tell me, which country in the world has at least comparable (I'm not talking more) resources of the entire periodic table, like ours?


    Indonesia, for example.
    And if per capita ... the Mongols are among the champions. They even have a lot of uranium, and the population is the size of a gulkin's nose.
    But I won’t say that the Mongols began to resemble Arab sheikhs, they live without chic.

    Do you know that in our country there are very few manganese ores, for example?
    The USSR had. In Kazakhstan. And in the Russian Federation - very little. And manganese is needed to obtain high grades of steel (which is also important for the defense industry). Nickel - a lot, but manganese ...
    The USSR was often reproached for the fact that it produced little precision weapons. And not much electronics at all. But the radio-electronic industry needs rare-earth metals, and we have few of them. China has a lot. When the United States and China began to make friends, then the production of microelectronics flourished in them.
    I suspect that now the PRC is quietly supplying us with such metals. Which made it possible to establish mass production of the same "calibers".
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 17: 12
      Quote: Illanatol
      I suspect that now the PRC is quietly supplying us with such metals. Which made it possible to establish mass production of the same "calibers".

      There are a lot of imported components in the composition of Caliber and other missiles. So quietly, China is more likely to supply microelectronics
  37. 0
    12 February 2023 14: 06
    Quote: Pilat2009
    Here are just a few examples. Thus, British aircraft designers did not hesitate to use wood in the construction of their aircraft for various purposes.


    Yeah. Balsa for example ("mosquito"). Which is very light, so it is more profitable (in terms of weight) of duralumin with the same strength characteristics. This is not pine veneer impregnated with epoxy resin, as in our "yaks".

    Hurricanes were so-so fighters, so they were gradually replaced by spitfires. In the latter, the tree was much smaller.

    Wooden propeller blades are not the same as wood body and frame. Since plywood sheathing made of pine veneer, with the same strength characteristics, is heavier than that of duralumin, the case turned out to be heavier. This means that with the same take-off weight - less fuel (range suffers), less BC (ends faster).

    The fact that other countries sometimes used wood only means that they also had problems with resource provision, but certainly not that the USSR did not have such problems.
  38. 0
    12 February 2023 21: 14
    Free press:
    In the same Germany, one ordinary "winter" long greenhouse cucumber weighing about 400 grams costs 0,65-0,7 euros. That is, 1,6-1,7 euros per kilogram (125-135 rubles). And if we compare salaries in Germany (an average of 2700 euros per hand, that is, more than 200 thousand rubles) and in Russia ...

    In the same time:
    Farmers in any region receive a penny for their products. I myself come from the Astrakhan region, and, for example, they sell potatoes there during the season for 3 rubles per kilogram, onions - for 2-3 rubles, cabbage almost for a ruble. You yourself probably know how much all these products cost in some “Azbuka Vkusa” in Moscow,” explains Mikhail Lachugin, an independent retail expert.
  39. -2
    13 February 2023 09: 42
    Likes hand-ass gopota potryndet about social justice. At school they studied through the op, they didn’t receive further education, they don’t improve their qualifications, they stick out in ... the ram and only count the loot in other people’s pockets - “what are the dividends of the Millerites?”. Whether it's in the Scoop, no one had a damn thing, but everyone did. That's all justice. Well, how can a hand-cutter endure the fact that a neighbor lives better than he does. How did the whiners get.
  40. V_S
    0
    4 July 2023 16: 28
    Academician Nigmatullin:
    Russia is 75% poor. At the same time, 0,4% of families have an income of more than 5 million rubles a month. ..

    Academician Nigmatulin put "unsuccessful" to President Putin and the Government of the Russian Federation
    03 / 07 / 2023.

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