Didn’t get away from a long-range missile: details of the defeat of the Su-25 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by a Russian fighter

The details of the destruction of the Su-25 attack aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the vicinity of Kramatorsk, together with the squadron commander who piloted it, have been published. Judging by the statements of colleagues, the pilot was summed up by his incompetence, expressed in ignorance of the weapons in the arsenal of Russian fighters.

According to a comrade who was paired with a downed pilot, they were already approaching the target. The flight was carried out at low altitude, apparently to avoid anti-aircraft fire. At the same time, airborne radars observed the Russian fighter. However, the Ukrainian pilots continued to move, believing that they were out of range of the means of destruction of the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces. As a result, a long-range air-to-air missile knocked out one of the attack aircraft, despite its attempts to maneuver. The pilot ejected, but crashed because the parachute did not open due to the low flight altitude.

Most likely, the Ukrainian pilots believed that they could only collide with medium-range missiles with a launch range of 100-160 km (R-27, R-77, R-33). However, back in 2014, the R-37 was put into service (after improvement it received the designation R-37M), which can hit air targets from a distance of over 300 km.

R-37Ms were not used in the first months of the conflict, but appeared in the summer. They are very dangerous due to their range and can threaten Ukrainian aircraft even when fired from Russian airspace. If you did not detect the launch of this rocket, but will die soon

- said one of the Ukrainian pilots in an interview with The War Zone.

Comments

[voice of reason]

That's what clown propaganda does. After all, they believe that the Russian army is backward and there are Maxim machine guns on planes, not otherwise.

[Trapp1st]

That's what clown propaganda does.

a long-range air-to-air missile knocked out one of the attack aircraft, despite its attempts to maneuver.

Fatal lack of experience.
Why was the second gondolier safely able to set off?

[dmi.pris1]

The narrator's fatal lack of experience. What kind of radar is on the Rook?

[agoran]

SPO, if you are not in the know, do not advertise your illiteracy.

[Eug]

They could well have put a MiG repair in Zaporozhye at the plant, they were working on the modernization of the Su-25. They tried to install an instrument complex from the Kharkov Aviation Control, and possibly a radar too.

[helilelik]

The writer-storyteller, more precisely ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

What is the radar on the "Rook" ?.

Quote: agoran

SPO, if you are not in the know, do not advertise your illiteracy.

The first machines carried the SPO-15 Bereza radar radiation warning system, then the SPO L-150 Pastel appeared - an aviation radiation warning station developed at the Central Design Bureau of Automation (TsKBA, Omsk).
But the text says:

airborne radars observed a Russian fighter. However, the Ukrainian pilots continued to move, believing that they were out of range of the means of destruction of the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

This presentation of material leads to a double interpretation: whether the pilot is in ACTIVE mode watched our fighter, or the level of the received signal from the radar of our fighter did not go beyond the circle of HAZARDOUS radiation Grach, indicating that the distance is dangerous for attacking the enemy's RVV ...
Why does this pop into your head?
Yes, because in the epic with the Malaysian Boeing flight H-117, our media wrote that the dill Su-25s were equipped with an active search radar for the VTs and an oxygen blowing system for engines, which allowed them to jump up to 10000m for a short time ... Hence it seems to me legs grow with this "misunderstanding".
IMHO.

[savage3000]

Engine oxygen injection system?????


Ouuuu .. Are you ... do you smoke weed or something?

[topol717]

Quote: Trapp1st

Why was the second gondolier safely able to set off?

I assume that at such a range it is impossible to shoot at twin aircraft, because the target most likely glows as a single one, and the missile captures only one. It makes no sense to launch a second rocket while the first one is still flying.
Durga question, where did they get TWO SU-25s at once ????

[Pankrat25]

Another question is, where did they get TWO SU-25s at once????

From there ... They were released a lot and were released until 2016 until they literally banned their release. There are many of them abroad! At the same time, the prohibition put a sign = between the Su-25 and Yak-130, then applause for his bright mind. (sarcasm if anything)
https://topwar.ru/108817-manturov-su-25-snyaty-s-seriynogo-proizvodstva.html

[Reklastik]

Because only one rocket was fired)

[Uncle lee]

If you did not detect the launch of this rocket, but will die soon

I did not notice and .... Out!

[dauria]

I did not notice and .... Out!

At the same time, airborne radars observed a Russian fighter

- There is no radar on the Su-25. He could detect the Russian fighter only by the radiation warning station (SPO-15). She speaks rudely
direction, approximately type and captures the moments of the launch of old-type missiles (moreover, NATO)
But the catapult works from "zero" height and speed. Unless he lost control and the roll was "upside down"
So they could shoot down with a missile with a thermal seeker even close (medium) combat without the use of radar. How an F-16 brought down our Su-24 in Syria with a thermal Sparrow quietly and without revealing itself.

[dmi.pris1]

You correctly noticed that this story is a literary fiction. Does the squadron commander have incompetence? Even at their level, experienced, accomplished pilots are appointed to such positions .. He was either killed in the cockpit or did not have time to eject from a low altitude.

[Wedmak]

Does the squadron commander have incompetence? Even at their level, experienced, accomplished pilots are appointed to such positions.

In this case, the squadron leader was very young. He jumped the ranks at an accelerated pace because there are no more experienced and accomplished pilots there.

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, I looked at Ukrainian publics. Captain Murashko was a flight commander, not a squadron. He was 24 years old

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Yes, I looked at Ukrainian publics. Captain Murashko

And it seems that they wrote earlier that Murashko was shot down by the skakuas themselves with friendly fire ....

[topol717]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

And it seems that they wrote earlier that Murashko was shot down by the skakuas themselves with friendly fire ....

Skakausy conducted investigations, and found out that it was a Su-35S. They like it that way.

[Ivan_91]

Yes, these are all fairy tales. How many stories were there that they no longer had aviation, etc. Such articles are intended only for those who are far from military equipment and naively believe in everything they say from TV

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Ivan_91

will say с TV

According to this sentence, you с Ukraine. Right?

[Vincent price]

Does it surprise anyone that even if the modernized su25 could detect our destroyer at a distance of 200+ km? What kind of modernization is this?

[kit88]

There is no radar on the Su-25.

And by their case, our smaller non-brothers, some Poles, did not modernize? I mean, they screwed up a couple of Link-16 blocks ...?
Just so confidently, the flyer broadcasts about "that they saw everything ...." You really won’t see much with Bereza, although she will warn you that it’s time to pull the handles.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: kit88

And by their case, our smaller non-brothers, some Poles, did not modernize? I mean, they screwed up a couple of Link-16 blocks ...?

They could well ... We had infa that

The Fazotron-NIIR corporation plans, in particular, to adapt the MF2 radar for installation on the modernized two-seat Su-25UB attack aircraft.
“The MF2 radar station is designed to solve reconnaissance and surveillance tasks at any time of the day and in any weather, while providing high and ultra-high resolution (up to 0,5 m in centimeter and up to 0,25 m in millimeter wave bands). This equipment can also be installed on various types of unmanned aerial vehicles due to its small size and light weight,”

The NATO satellites have very advanced avionics. Could quietly and share with the skakuas.
AHA.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: kit88

prikolhozit a couple of blocks Link-16 ... ?

I sincerely doubt that the Americans would dare to share link16 - and if they sell

[expert]

Thank you Daura. Clear and specific comment.

[Submariner971]

That's right, only not Sparrow, but Sidewinder. And, I think, the Su-24 crew saw them, knew about the presence of the F-16, but did not expect such actions.

[helilelik]

In SNR mode, the target is unaware of tracking by the locator.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: dauria

thermal "sparrow" quietly and without revealing itself.

It was beautiful while you thermal sparrow they didn’t say - no, and there weren’t any thermal ones. Probably all the same, the AIM-9 Sidewinder family
And about the radals of the 25th - some kind of game was written by the author. SPO-15 and hardly anything newer.

[haron]

Quote from Uncle Lee

If you did not detect the launch of this rocket, but will die soon
I did not notice and .... Out!

said one of the Ukrainian pilots in an interview with The War Zone.

In the war zone, the last publication about the SU 25 was two weeks ago, when it was hit in Africa from MANPADS, but the pilot held on and landed it on the airfield.

[Vyacheslav57]

Most likely, the Ukrainian pilots believed that they could only collide with medium-range missiles with a launch range of 100-160 km (R-27, R-77, R-33)

As far as I remember, it was already written here about the defeat of a Ukrainian aircraft from a distance of 217 km. Then it was announced that this was the most distant defeat. The pilot of the Ukrainian plane was already flying up to his airfield and did not imagine that a rocket was coming behind him.

[Alex Nevs]

Quiet. Don't burn down the office. Let them believe. Let them fly.

[Fitter65]

Quote: voice of reason

The flight was carried out at low altitude, apparently to avoid anti-aircraft fire. At the same time, airborne radars observed a Russian fighter

Yeah. ... You read carefully what is written

The flight was carried out at low altitude, apparently to avoid anti-aircraft fire. At the same time, airborne radars observed a Russian fighter

Whose airborne radars observed the Russian fighter? Su-25th? And what kind of radar is on the Ukrainian Su25? What is the correct name for the writer of this post?

The pilot ejected, but crashed because the parachute did not open due to the low flight altitude.

K-36 guaranteed rescue system. Consider Le Bourget. Kvochur, everyone thought that everything .... Well, thank God that didn’t work. Yes, and banderlog is not Kvochur.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: voice of reason

After all, they believe that the Russian army is backward and there are Maxim machine guns on planes

Well, naturally. As in the film Two comrades served - enemy eroplans scurry out of the revolver ...

[smart ass]

Su25 airborne radars can observe a fighter at a distance of 160 km ????

[mototun]

not this way; more correctly "Su25 airborne radars ??"

[Iuriy Snitko]

If this is so, then why are they running faster than their cursing? They threw hats at them or something.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And the plane was shot down, and the parachute did not open. Conclusion: it was necessary to study, and not to give bribes to teachers.

[Sergey985]

And the second had to be brought down. Scattered.

[Dedok]

where is the ground air defense?
if you are not afraid of anything?

[sanja.grw]

The flight was carried out at low altitude, apparently to avoid anti-aircraft fire.
Ours also fly a little over the trees, I think only probably visual control (I'm not an air defense specialist, maybe those who know will tell you), because of the horizon, air defense will not always be able to track aircraft

[Rage66]

The squadron commander was summed up by incompetence?
And who is flying in his subordinates then?

[aakvit]

I also thought about this. After all, the commander is at least a major and a FIRST class pilot! And this "summed up incompetence"?

[Wedmak]

Competent people there ran out a long time ago. It was a young pilot who jumped ranks. But you can't skip experience.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Rage66

who flies in his subordinates then?

There, children with a total flying time of four hundred became experienced KZs on the 29th from there and losses: there is excitement, no experience

[Leshak]

Inexperienced and unprofessional pilots. So at least give a broom for flights, at least the F-16 is one hell. All skill - takeoff (and if you're lucky) landing.

[1976AG]

"Most likely, the Ukrainian pilots believed that they could only collide with medium-range missiles with a launch range of 100-160 km (R-27, R-77, R-33)"
"At the same time, airborne radars observed a Russian fighter"

At what range does the Su-25 radar hit?

[Wedmak]

About a kilometer as the pilot sees. Or he won't see. There is no radar there.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Wedmak

There is no radar there.

And if in Tbilisi they put something NATO-thread on them? You can only speak so confidently about our first Rooks ... And now they are being cast out with the help of NATO like a louse on a comb.
Who among us would have thought that RRC Moscow would be attacked by RCC moving on external guidance from a spacecraft or KS-135 ???
However, war is a very vile, cunning and insidious thing ... Therefore, now everything can happen ...
AHA.

[mototun]

>And if in Tbilisi they put something on the thread of NATO-vskoe?
except for the air intakes; according to the layout of the aircraft, it is clear that due to the fact that the radar was not provided for by the design, there is nowhere to put it stupidly

[savage3000]

At 0 km. For something that does not exist cannot beat further.

[Radical]

At the same time, airborne radars observed the Russian fighter.

And what kind of "Rooks" could have on-board "radar"?

[korwalol]

The pilot himself is like a radar, two eyes all the same

[Prisoner]

Yeah. Modern IL-2. Everything is on the reaction and feel of the pilot.

[Adrey]

Quote: Radikal

And what kind of "Rooks" could have on-board "radar"?

Yes. I also read it and didn't understand.
And then some wonder why there is such skepticism towards certain articles and statements.

[jaroff]

There is no radar on the Su-25. They couldn't see anything. Just nothing

[YuriVA]

The only assumption is, maybe they meant SPO-15 "Birch"

[Uprun]

Well, yes, competent flyers will conduct a "debriefing" on the VO, but it's all the same for us tankers, they landed another "ghost of a kuev" and that's good .... I hope no one needs a hit video?

[Prisoner]

! Boys like and should not, but it's a pity. We, with their grandfathers, eat yours, brought down the Basmachi together. The thirst for freebies has brought you far, brothers-"non-brothers". Mazepa is your grandfather, Bandera is your mother. Shame on you, I-I-I!

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Captive

Boys like and should not, but it's a pity. We, with their grandfathers, eat yours, brought down the Basmachi together.

So you do not feel sorry for their grandfathers. Personally, I am proud of their grandfathers, who fought desperately with the Fritz, as my own! And their fascist lads-granddaughters - that's not a pity even once!

[VB]

Why did the other one leave? And when will they run out of planes? Why are there airfields?

[Ivan_91]

At the same time, airborne radars observed the Russian fighter.

The article is purely neighing. What are the radars on the Su-25? Does the author have any idea about military aircraft? In general, all these stories like some Ukrainian military say something to some publications are very doubtful.

[Incvizitor]

When the earth has time to make a decision about the same bailout is minuscule and the process itself is much tougher.

[oldmetal]

Hiroi Neba is talking nonsense, and you echo them: "At the same time, airborne radars observed a Russian fighter." That is, the Su-25 saw a Russian fighter with its megaradar, but was not afraid of it.
The action probably took place at a distance of 30 kilometers, it is unlikely that the radar of the old su-25 will master it more. So the super-long-range R-37M has nothing to do with it. Hiroyam and R-27 were enough.

[Carlos Hall]

The few planes they have left are assembled from parts brought from other countries.

[cheburator]

Banderkhokhly, if you did not find the launch of this rocket, then die soon, and if you find it, then die anyway, but in anticipation! Such is the folklore.

[Armen Sologyan]

Demonstration performances of Our pilots at international competitions are like military Olympic Games. Moreover, they perform with the Russian uniform and under the Russian flag.

[Dedok]

Quote: Wedmak

Competent people there ran out a long time ago. It was a young pilot who jumped ranks. But you can't skip experience.

he has 145 successful sorties ... - that's a lot
therefore the question was - where is our air defense ?, at worst - where is the MANPADS?

[Glagol1]

This is pure fake. Like Ukrainian pilots saw a Russian fighter, but they ignored it. From what distance did they see him that he had to launch the R-37 ?! On the Su-25 of the early series, and this is Ukrainian history, there are no radars at all. Well, even if there is, then she sees very close. Besides. R-37 does not shoot well at low-flying against the background of the ground. Its destiny is long-range targets at medium and high altitudes. But the author fixed it! Now R-37 can be fired at the neighbor's sandbox. Easily!

[helilelik]

I was told that the airborne radar of a fighter against the background of the earth does not see anything.

[Bad thing]

What kind of airborne radar is there on the SU-25?

[Puper driver]

For each sentence, it looks like a fairy tale. Apparently we have our own CIPSO.

[savage3000]

At the same time, airborne radars observed the Russian fighter.
_______

Airborne radars? On the su-25? Author, have you sniffed the herbs?



____ launch at 100-160 km (R-27, R-77, R-33_____

R-27, 77, 33 do not have a range of 160 km.

What kind of children write articles????