Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Medvedev called the discussed "Korean scenario" for Ukraine "a shameful admission of the impossibility of winning"

Recently, Western media have been increasingly discussing the possibility of repeating the scenario of the end of the Korean War in Ukraine, as a result of which the Korean Peninsula was divided into the DPRK and the Republic of Korea. Dmitry Medvedev, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, also expressed his point of view on the prospect of such a development of events.

The politician published a post on his Telegram channel, in which he noted that the division of the Korean Peninsula created two independent countries. But Donbass and other liberated territories have already been included in the Russian Federation following the will of their inhabitants. Russia is the largest state in the world, with full sovereignty and the most formidable weaponswrites Medvedev.

Thus, it is hardly possible to speak of a repetition of the “Korean scenario”. According to Medvedev, these are just “wishlists” of a part of the Ukrainian elite. According to these plans, the remaining pro-Western part of Ukraine will be under the protection of the United States and NATO and in the future will reach the level of the Republic of Korea, as well as hopes for reunification with former territories. Medvedev calls this "the thesis for internal use." However, the politician notes that the very appearance of such a thesis in the public space speaks volumes.

In Kyiv, embarrassingly, they threw out the thesis that there could be no victory. At best, a division into parts

- writes the deputy chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

Thus, the politician believes, throwing in such a thesis is the first step towards recognizing the prevailing realities. It is gradually becoming clear to both the West and even Ukraine that events cannot be reversed, it will be difficult to recapture the liberated territories, and it is easier to come to terms with what already exists.

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[dmi.pris1]

These are not the wishes of the elite, but conclusions, some tricks of Lucy Arestovich. "Carthage must be destroyed" (c)

[credo]

It is gradually becoming clear to both the West and even Ukraine that events cannot be reversed, it will be difficult to recapture the liberated territories, and it is easier to come to terms with what already exists.

There is a strong feeling that this stuffing is designed not only for the territory controlled by Kyiv.
It looks like this stuffing is also designed for Russia, so that it stops and does not go to the right bank of the Dnieper and beyond, so that the Black Sea coast remains behind Ukraine and Transnistria can be easily strangled.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: credo

Russia, so that it stops and does not enter the right bank of the Dnieper

colleague!!!
describe the scenario for the RF Armed Forces to enter the right bank of the Dnieper ... just describe ....
bearing in mind all the known facts of the SVO for the year of the event. some facts:
to NVO Russia controlled 16911 sq. km. former Ukraine, at the end of August 114241 sq. km .... at the end of January 96262 sq. km .... the territory of all Ukraine 603 549 km²
there are no data on the losses of the RF Armed Forces, but there is data on the losses of the NM of the DPR for 44 weeks of the database (source - the DPR Ombudsman). total losses over this period were 21596 people ... the number of NM DPR before the NWO was estimated at 20000 bayonets. thus, losses amount to 108% of the total number.
TE
in a year of hostilities, 1/6 of the land was recaptured with a total loss of 108% of the original number.
knowing all this, describe how the RF Armed Forces will cross the Dnieper and maintain a database on the right bank of the Dnieper ....

[Alemax]

Well, actually, there are reports that Khokhly are taking everything of value out of Kherson. And this, as an option, is preparation for the surrender of the city. I wouldn't trust the Ombudsman. And, for that matter, it's not about the percentage of reclaimed land, but about cutting off the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As soon as they stop receiving replenishment, ammunition and new equipment, completely different promotion opportunities will immediately appear.
If you look at what happened a year ago, IMHO, the mistakes with goodwill gestures have been taken into account and now the VFU does not have the opportunity to regroup and prepare for a counteroffensive, as it was last spring.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote from Alex

khokhly take everything of value out of Kherson. And this, as an option, is preparation for the surrender of the city.

you are hopeless...
apparently, not everyone has been taken out of Bakhmut yet .....

Quote from Alex

I would not trust the Ombudsman

again...you are hopeless....

Quote from Alex

If you look at what happened a year ago, IMHO, mistakes with gestures of goodwill are taken into account and now

and now we break into the defense in depth in the forehead ....

[panov_panov]

Data on losses began to appear, and from an unexpected side, from Israel. According to their data, as of January, 150000 thousand were killed on the Ukrainian side, and 20000 thousand were killed on the Russian side.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: panov_panov

and from an unexpected side, from Israel.

trust only those data that do not contradict your illusions?

[former soldier]

repetition in Ukraine of the scenario of the end of the Korean War

It looks like this stuffing is also designed for Russia

Throw is good. Qualitative. But it is better to call it the "Lviv scenario". That will be fairer. Let the Poles deal with the Ragul. They have a lot of unresolved topics from history.

[Egeny]

Hello Dima. You state everything correctly. I have already spoken about this. Well, what do you want from the "British scientists who proved" that Russia no longer has the strength, there is no ammunition. Here is a new trick, the arrogant Saxons threw introductory information about the section "square" according to the Korean version into the "minds" of the natives of the outskirts. Ours have already sent this "idea" ... to the Polish border.)
Do you have a "space" on the clave sinks?

[cash]

the Korean script is also a defeat for us...

[Uncle lee]

Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Medvedev

Something Medvedev began to glow often, reminds of himself ....

[Smoked]

So, after the death of Volfovich, we no longer have a politician who issues such statements.

[Egeny]

no politician left after Volfovich's death

Dennis, what are you implying?

[rocket757]

And how they peck at everyone who looks askance at that face, it’s a pleasure to look at!
They smell where the dog rummaged or the duckling grunted.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote from kasy

the Korean script is also a defeat for us...

You have to be a realist, not a fantasist....
ps
I wrote your comment on the vision of this issue.

[dauria]

You have to be a realist, not a fantasist....

Exactly . And to understand that Ukraine has no chance against the Russian Federation. No military, no economy, no people.
The only thing that Russia needs is the desire of the ruling elite of the moneybags to win. BUT they do not need victory at the cost of becoming rogue in the world. They do not want to live in an analogue of the DPRK or Iran. London and Paris with Venice a mile away.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: dauria

Exactly . And to understand that Ukraine has no chance against the Russian Federation.

in fact, have something to say?

Quote: dauria

No military

give them everything!

Quote: dauria

no economy

for the war they do not need it (see paragraph 1)

Quote: dauria

no people

full, there are still 2-3 million people

Quote: dauria

what Russia needs is the desire of the ruling elite of the moneybags to win.

you are hopeless...
ps
you can pull up 10 times!!!! you just don't want to...

[Osipov9391]

Well, in today's conditions, the Korean scenario, even with the likely division of Ukraine under the Dnieper, is still a satisfactory scenario for us.
Unless, of course, they volunteered for it.
And everything else is already unattainable and forgotten. Nobody is talking about this anymore.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: Osipov9391

partition of Ukraine under the Dnieper

Quote: Osipov9391

And everything else is already unattainable and forgotten. Nobody is talking about this anymore.

looking at the database map, especially in dynamics .... even along the Dnieper it looks fantastic !!!!

[Osipov9391]

That's what I think. Especially in the light of the planned supply of Western weapons. But the withdrawal to positions on February 23 can be considered a military defeat.
Freezing the conflict is a bad scenario, but it would allow Russia to save many lives and allow the troops to recover after a year of fighting.

[former soldier]

Well, in today's conditions, the Korean scenario, even with the likely division of Ukraine under the Dnieper

Sorry Dnipro. The river will fall.

[Constantine N]

To be honest, many of Medvedev's statements are far from reality, and everything turns out just the opposite. And it becomes very disturbing...

[Mishka78]

Quote from Constantin N.

To be honest, many of Medvedev's statements are far from reality.

To be completely honest, the vast majority :)
A kind of hawk that pretty much looks like a chicken under drugs, sorry ...

[withoutreverse]

So this is why it was thrown into the media so that we would fall for it. Like they are ready.

[Eug]

No matter how the results of the SVO turned out to be "shameful" and "embarrassing" for Russia ... the swing was oh what - no matter how they tried to convince everyone otherwise ...

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: Eug

No matter how the results of the NWO turn out to be "shameful" and "embarrassing" for Russia ...

but now we know our real possibilities!!!!!! (more precisely, their impossibilities)....

[kor1vet1974]

that events cannot be reversed, it will be difficult to recapture the liberated territories, and it is easier to come to terms with what already exists.

Hmm .. they won’t win back the liberated territories, but they won’t recognize them either. And they recognize it only if they strongly want to accept the remnants of Ukraine into NATO and the EU. Both cases are not in favor of Russia. And for full inclusion, apparently there are no forces and means yet. Donbass has not been completely liberated at the moment.

[Mishka78]

Quote: kor1vet1974

And they recognize it only if they strongly want to accept the remnants of Ukraine into NATO and the EU

In recent years, so many international and their own laws, rules and agreements have been canceled / violated in the entire world community that they may well be accepted with territorial claims ..

[kor1vet1974]

that they may well accept them with territorial claims ..

Actually, it doesn’t matter if they accept it, with claims, without claims .. It won’t be easier from this .. The worst option is if Ukraine continues to exist ..

[ximkim]

It's bad that Dmitry Anatolyevich is not registered at VO. He would give vivid comments and answer the question - when will the fires of oil refineries stop in Russia?

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: ximkim

the answer to the question - when will the refinery fires stop in Russia?

I also have a question....
will never stop!!!
ps
let's next question

[Expert2023]

Does anyone listen to the opinion of Arestovich?

[Deon59]

Medvedev would have been silent even from a hangover. Sovereignty from what, the regional committee in Washington allowed you to chat something.

[Mavrikiy]

In Kyiv, shyly forwarded tesis that there can be no victory. At best, a division into parts
- writes the deputy chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

It would be nice if he thought what he wrote. It was not Kyiv who did the stuffing, but the West, it seems the United States .... Therefore, it is correct to write like this: To Kiev embarrassingly dropped...

[rocket757]

some happy faces seem too much in public ... what for?

[23424636]

Zhirinovsky at one time wrote the borders of Ukraine within 3-4 regions but along the line of the city of Yuman, which this well-known late politician gave to the Hasidim and their Ukrainian sympathizers. It seems to me that the line will pass along the old border of the Andruov Treaty of 1667 along the Dnieper River. But in the Andrusovo Treaty, Kyiv and its environs were in Russia. Lawrence of Chernigov. This territory, the right bank of the Dnieper, is a secret Jewish state, which arose after the refusal of the Commonwealth to pay the debt to the Jews for a loan for the war with Russia. The Jews demanded land with the right to settle their nation. The Poles agreed, and Jews from Poland settled in the Russian lands. But then after 3 partitions of Poland by Empress Catherine the Great. the secret Jewish state was defeated and driven into the so-called reservations. military settlements by Tsar Nicholas 1. But that's another story.

[dump22]

It seems to me that the line will pass along the old border of the Andruov Treaty of 1667

In 1667 they concluded not мир, and Andrusovskoe truce. Due to exhaustion on both sides.
Russia paid the Poles 200 thousand rubles for the left-bank Ukraine left behind. Kyiv remained in Poland.
And the "eternal peace" with the Poles was concluded only after 20 years. And already according to the "eternal peace" Kyiv was bought from the Poles for 146 thousand rubles.

[23424636]

Kyiv was not left to Poland. In the first edition, there was a delay in capturing it for the removal of the relics of the Pechersk Monastery. But then the Russians began to build fortifications (the ramparts are still visible) and refused the Poles and retained the surroundings until the expansion of borders in the 18th century.

[Grandfather Mozai]

"Warming up" the audience is in full swing, the message is this: Russia takes the entire Donbass, but returns the corridor to the Crimea, that is, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. For me, this cannot be allowed, the territories accepted as part of Russia should be given away? Well, this is such a powerful slap in the face to His Serene Highness and to all our people, I hope they won’t go for this! ps Our "difficult decisions" on Kherson are alarming if they want to conclude a truce.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: Grandfather Mozai

Our "difficult decisions" on

you surprise me!!!!! a year has passed, and you are only alarmed .....

[Grandfather Mozai]

I apologize in advance, because now it’s not visible when your post is commented on, I don’t know if I’m the only one.

you surprise me!!!!! a year has passed, and you are only alarmed .....

Perhaps I did not put it correctly, or you did not see, to put it mildly, sarcasm in the word "alarm" .. "difficult decisions" - They scare.

[dump22]

but returns the corridor to the Crimea

Unreal.
You miscalculated the "signals" in Medvedev's message.
For the sake of this very corridor to the Crimea, everything was started.
And Crimea is generally sacred and holy for GDP.
Therefore, we do not discuss the south of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. But the north of these regions (the cities of Kherson and Zaporozhye) can be "given away", especially since we still do not control them.

[Osipov9391]

No matter how old or stupid politicians are in the West now, one thing must be clearly understood from them.
People of the level of the NATO Secretary General or the President of the United States could never afford to regularly scatter statements about the possibility of a military defeat of one belligerent side and a military victory of the other side. Promising to do everything possible for this.
Such statements are not made either to the public or in their environment just like that.

And here it is necessary to clearly understand that when Biden or Stolterberg or anyone else talks about a possible military defeat of Russia, they necessarily rely on intelligence data from special services that conveyed such conclusions to them in such conclusions.
Moreover, the conclusions are not for the last year, but for the last years since 20-25, both on one belligerent side and on the other.
And these are very disturbing facts, since the West has studied Russia up and down over the past decades - its funds, organizations, intelligence network and other types of intelligence collection literally permeated our state.

[zenion]

You forgot to write what you learned with the help of the leaders of Russia, starting with Yeltsin. Everything that the West did not like was smashed to pieces. And they are not to blame for not having time to finish off the rest. There was not enough time, besides, Stalin set up a lot without asking for a new type of Communist Party.

[Osipov9391]

And so it was. Starting from American visits to the Votkinsk plant, and ending, for example, with the export to the United States of our main X-31 anti-radar missile for training their aviation and air defense calculations, also for study.
The story of the supply of MA-31 targets (it is the same for the United States, but without a warhead and with stripped-down electronics) lasted until 2010, and not a dozen missiles were sold there.

[solar]

Thus, it is hardly possible to speak of a repetition of the “Korean scenario”. According to Medvedev, these are just “wishlists” of a part of the Ukrainian elite.

Medvedev's opinion is infinitely far from reality. On the contrary, in Ukraine they are categorically against it, there is not even a talk about it.

[Osipov9391]

So Ukraine, under pressure from the United States and delighted with its offensives in the fall, has even completely abandoned any negotiations.
They are now not satisfied with them at all, even about returning to their positions on February 23rd.
They now demand what they had before 2014, including Donbass and Crimea.
And they promise to go by military means to the last to capture them.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

38th along the Dnieper? And Odessa; and Ishmael took him for nothing ???

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

38th along the Dnieper?

even along the Dnieper, in today's realities, it looks FANTASTIC !!!!!!!

[Osipov9391]

Alas, after leaving Kherson, everything else looks impossible.
Kherson return would be a miracle yet. Both militarily and politically.

[DefenderofTruth]

Kherson is actually a constitutionally recognized regional center of a subject of the Russian Federation.
So no options.
Otherwise - high treason to the Motherland (Article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)

[zenion]

Suppose Ishmael took, but how could he take what was not, in the sense of Odessa?

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: zenion

Suppose Ishmael took, but how could he take what was not, in the sense of Odessa?

So there it is written, "he took it."
That is, it refers only to Ishmael.
If this applied to both cities then - "he took them", and not him.
And of course, you are right, Suvorov could not take Odessa, since it had not yet been built.

[I dare to_notice_]

No... No matter who says anything, Arestovich is still cool!
If he, even the dismissed nafik, Medvedev himself answers.

[zenion]

If only it wasn't like it was with my nephew. My uncle and nephew decided to go to the forest for mushrooms. When they arrived, they decided to disperse and shout to each other so as not to get lost. Uncle hears his nephew screaming - uncle, I caught a bear here! Uncle, why do you need him, let him go! The nephew answered - yes, I would let him go, but I can’t. After. A man was picking mushrooms, but got lost. I started yelling, people who hear me, help and so for half an hour, already hoarse. He shouted again. Hears in response - I heard what you want? The man turns, and there, sideways, leaning against a tree, stands a bear with a straw in its mouth.

[dump22]

Medvedev is obscuring something.
Weak. There is no genuine patriotism and real loyalty to the braces in him.
I would write clearly and unambiguously - Lviv and Volyn are primordial (and even possibly sacred) Russian cities, and until our flag is raised over them, there will be no peace!
And this is not enough.
It's time, it's time for Medved to remember our ultimatum for NATO just before the start of the NWO:

https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2022/01/21/17172721.shtml

January 21 2022
Russia recalled the requirement for NATO to return to the configuration of 1997
Foreign Ministry: Russian security proposals imply withdrawal of NATO forces from Bulgaria and Romania
...
The ministry emphasized that the document clearly spelled out the requirement to withdraw foreign forces, equipment and weapons from the territory of those countries that joined the North Atlantic Alliance after 1997, that is, to return NATO to a configuration of 25 years ago.

[antiquity]

Quote: Grandfather Mozai

Most Serene

What, it's time to canonize?

[Ivan Ivanov]

the Korean script is exactly half of Ukraine, i.e. + Kharkov Odessa Nikolaev Zaporozhye Dnepropetrovsk, Chernihiv and Sumy. By the way, we could help the DPRK with the road network and electricity. The road network is very modest, the light map is dark.

[runway-1]

Quote: Mishka78

Quote from Constantin N.

To be honest, many of Medvedev's statements are far from reality.

To be completely honest, the vast majority :)
A kind of hawk that pretty much looks like a chicken under drugs, sorry ...

Neither to the village, nor to the city, it came to mind (G.R. Derzhavin, "Velmozha"):

...
The donkey will remain a donkey
While screeching it with stars;
Where the mind must act,
He only claps his ears.
ABOUT! in vain happiness hand
Against the natural rank,
Madman disguises himself in lord
Or the hype of a fool.
...

[DefenderofTruth]

If, as a result of the SVO, the mother of Russian cities Kyiv and the hero city Odessa and all the primordially Russian lands between them, the ports of Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, remain outside the limits, outside the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, this will be the largest geopolitical catastrophe for Russia and a tragedy for many generations of Russian people for ages!

Russia's victory in the NVO and the "Korean scenario" acceptable to Russia is the 38th parallel along the western administrative borders of the Zhytomyr and Vinnitsa regions of the former Ukraine, further along the Dniester to its confluence with the Black Sea.