Russian and Indian-made fighters landed for the first time on the deck of the aircraft carrier Vikrant of the Indian Navy

An Indian-made LCA light fighter and a Russian-made MiG-29K fighter landed for the first time on the deck of the Indian aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, which was handed over to the Indian Navy in September 2022. This is reported by the Indian press with reference to the national military department.

According to a press release from the Indian Navy, the first landings of aircraft on an Indian aircraft carrier demonstrated the ability of the country to build and commission large ships designed to base fighters. The LCA light fighter is a prototype of the NEDBF carrier-based fighter being developed in India. The program to create this fighter is designed for 10 years.

Until India adopts its own fighters, the aircraft carrier Vikrant will be based on Russian-made MiG-29K fighters. The command of the Indian Navy expects that by May-June 2023, the Vikrant aircraft carrier will be fully operational. Until that time, sea pilots aviation there are still several test flights to be made from the deck of an aircraft carrier.

Currently, the naval aviation of the Indian Navy is armed with 40 out of 45 aircraft acquired in the Russian Federation in 2009-2010. MiG-29K fighters. They are based on the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya (this is a modernized former Russian heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov).

In the future, India expects to replace the MiG-29K with 26 foreign-made fighters. Now the main competitors for the role of a fighter for the Indian Navy aviation are a modification of the French Rafale fighter and the American F / A-18 Super Hornet.

INS Vikrant is the first Indian-made aircraft carrier. It began to be built in 2009, in 2013 the aircraft carrier was launched and further work continued. Finally, in the fall of 2022, he was officially accepted into the Indian Navy. It is designed for 1700 crew members and 26 naval aviation fighter aircraft.

Comments

[Machito]

The Indians are already building aircraft carriers following the Chinese according to our patterns. But we can't. Lived up.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Formulate a concept for the use of aircraft carriers by Russia, and at the same time indicate where they are based, these things require ice-free ports.
Do not offer crazy ideas like the conquest of world domination.

[tralflot1832]

We need at least four, in the Northern Fleet and TF. One avik in the summer on combat duty in the SZA and one avik between Japan and Pearl Harbor. The Pacific Fleet is of course more interesting for the PRC for three.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

We need at least four, in the Northern Fleet and TF. One avik in the summer on combat duty in the SZA and one avik between Japan and Pearl Harbor. The Pacific Fleet is of course more interesting for the PRC for three.

Explain clearly why? What kind of tasks do you intend to perform?

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Explain clearly why? What kind of tasks do you intend to perform?

I will clearly explain why:
for what other countries need aviks, namely:
exclusively for the control (admission / non-admission) of world trade routes (sea transport).

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I will clearly explain why:
for what other countries need aviks, namely:
exclusively for the control (admission / non-admission) of world trade routes (sea transport).

Yes, what are you saying? Tell us then where and how aircraft carriers have marked themselves in this field in recent times. And why are they better than other classes of surface ships in this case?

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

What are you saying?

I fully admit that you do not understand / do not believe in the water cycle in nature and think that it is God who sends rain to the earth - your right !!!

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Tell us then where and how aircraft carriers have marked themselves in this field in recent times.

Right now, the US AUGs control all world trade!
95% of world trade is by sea!!!

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

And why are they better than other classes of surface ships in this case?

it's about like a lepard2A7 tank and Bayraktar UAV ...

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I fully admit that you do not understand / do not believe in the water cycle in nature and think that it is God who sends rain to the earth - your right !!!

Faith is the lot of people like you. But I studied military affairs in a real way, because, unlike you, I know what aircraft carriers were for in general and why their time has passed, how the time of battleships has gone in due time.

Right now, the US AUGs control all world trade!
95% of world trade is by sea!!!

Add more exclamation marks. Only this will remain your fantasy, because you have no evidence for this nonsense.

it's about like a lepard2A7 tank and Bayraktar UAV ...

And what will you do with this rag to the tank?

[tralflot1832]

In the SZA, look at how the air corridors pass. Plus, cover forces to break through anti-submarine lines; North Cape - Bear Island - Svalbard, Faroe Islands - Iceland. Recently, Jan Mayen Island has also been drawn. Orions constantly flew in the fishing areas. And on the Pacific to cover the Kuril ridge and exit from the "hornet's nest" in Kamchatka. NATO PLO aircraft do not need to fly in "greenhouse" conditions. They should be engaged in piloting, and not searching for our many targeted nuclear submarines.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

In the SZA, look at how the air corridors pass. Plus, cover forces to break through anti-submarine lines; North Cape - Bear Island - Spitsbergen, Faroe Islands - Iceland.

Aircraft taking off from land airfields will do just fine here.

And on the Pacific, to cover the Kuril ridge and exit from the "hornet's nest" in Kamchatka.

Again, airfields on the islands and the peninsula are much better suited for this.

[bayard]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

In the SZA, look at how the air corridors pass. Plus, cover forces to break through anti-submarine lines; North Cape - Bear Island - Spitsbergen, Faroe Islands - Iceland.


Aircraft taking off from land airfields will do just fine here.

They won’t cope - it’s too far, until they reach the call of the surface forces, it will be too late. There is such a thing as "reaction time". This is precisely the task of "Kuznetsov" in the Northern Fleet during the threatened period and during the withdrawal of our submarines from the base.

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

And on the Pacific, to cover the Kuril ridge and exit from the "hornet's nest" in Kamchatka.


Again, airfields on the islands and the peninsula are much better suited for this.

And on what islands?
How many planes can they have on constant duty?
What's the weather like there? How many days a year is the weather for flying?
And most importantly - WHAT will it cost us to maintain existing airfields with military aircraft on them? How should they be protected from threats from the sea and air? From air and sea landings? What garrison should protect them? I would very much like to consider your proposals in numbers. In rubles or dollars.
For your information, the construction, equipment and maintenance of such an airfield costs approximately the same as the construction of a non-nuclear AB of medium VI. And you need to have several such airfields on the islands.
And also think about where to get land airfields in the World Ocean to ensure combat stability for our ships in DM and OZ while ensuring FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION for our MERCHANT FLEET.
And he (the Merchant Fleet) with us now (lo and behold) has become one of the largest in the world. Over the past year alone, Russian companies have purchased and registered in domestic jurisdiction up to 500 large and very large merchant ships (tankers, gas carriers, dry cargo ships, etc.). How to ensure (for example) the safety of our ships on the route Arctic - India? Or on the route Ust-Luga - India\Africa\Latin America? The convoy will be provided by frigates, but without aircraft carriers at the nodal points of the routes, this will be ... not very convincing.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

They won’t cope - it’s too far, until they reach the call of the surface forces, it will be too late. There is such a thing as "reaction time". This is precisely the task of "Kuznetsov" in the Northern Fleet during the threatened period and during the withdrawal of our submarines from the base.

Have you at least served an urgent service to tell me about the reaction time?
And it would be okay, at least they dragged in strategic aviation, although it doesn’t roll either, but what about PLA?
Have you heard about joint action planning? And also that the speed of IA aircraft is much greater than that of a submarine?

And on what islands?

Kuril, however, have you heard of such?

How many planes can they have on constant duty?

Much more than on an aircraft carrier. If you are not aware, an aircraft carrier is an airfield with a very low capacity.

What's the weather like there? How many days a year is the weather for flying?

I will tell you a "military secret" an aircraft carrier is much more weather dependent than a land airfield.

And most importantly - WHAT will it cost us to maintain existing airfields with military aircraft on them?

Do you think AUG will cost less than land airfields?

How should they be protected from threats from the sea and air? From air and sea landings? What garrison should protect them?

You do not know how the territory of the Russian Federation should be protected?
Or do you think the aircraft carrier does not need to be protected?

I would very much like to consider your proposals in numbers. smile In rubles or dollars.
For your information, the construction, equipment and maintenance of such an airfield costs approximately the same as the construction of a non-nuclear AB of medium VI. And you need to have several such airfields on the islands.

Yes, here are some examples:
https://versia.ru/minoborony-tratit-9-milliardov-na-stroitelstvo-ayerodroma-v-arktike

The Ministry of Defense spends 9 billion on the construction of an airfield in the Arctic

https://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/54956-avianosec-za-trillion-smozhet-li-rossiya-postroit-zamenu-dlya-admirala-kuznecova/

500 billion - the starting price of building an aircraft carrier

So figure out how many airfields it is possible to build instead of one aircraft carrier.

And also think about where to get land airfields in the World Ocean to ensure combat stability for our ships in DM and OZ while ensuring FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION for our MERCHANT FLEET.
And he (the Merchant Fleet) with us now (lo and behold) has become one of the largest in the world. Over the past year alone, Russian companies have purchased and registered in domestic jurisdiction up to 500 large and very large merchant ships (tankers, gas carriers, dry cargo ships, etc.). How to ensure (for example) the safety of our ships on the route Arctic - India? Or on the route Ust-Luga - India\Africa\Latin America? The convoy will be provided by frigates, but without aircraft carriers at the nodal points of the routes, this will be ... not very convincing.

Firstly, if you are not aware, the range of aviation in our time has increased so much that any point of the oceans is achievable.
Secondly, I don’t know how it is in your fantasies, but in reality, no AUG even tries to attack merchant ships. For this is tantamount to unleashing a war.
Odessa port is an example for you. You obviously outplayed computer games.

[bayard]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

vovochkarzhevsky

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Have you at least served an urgent service to tell me about the reaction time?

Although "Vovochka" is ridiculous in his attempts, and he probably did not serve urgent ... although ... maybe he served ... maybe he reached the rank of corporal.
I am an air defense command and control officer.
In the past - in the Soviet past.
And the rest of the heresy slapped by you is not worth a minute of attention to a refutation. For this is stupidity and ignorance.
But with the wild self-importance of the delitant, they were undergrown.

[Osipov9391]

Now on the Kolka Peninsula, apart from the Monchegorsk MiG-31s ​​(they are far from the SSBN exit areas) and the North Sea Su-33 / MiG-29K, there is no fighter aircraft at all.
And the NATO countries will have a lot of R-8 "Poseidon" and this is an advanced PLO aircraft. They often wander near our borders.
The Japanese are still in the Far East with their very serious fleet.

[bayard]

It is for the sake of dispersing these PLO aircraft that AB duty is necessary in the Barents and Okhotsk Seas.
And in the Far East, Japan alone has over a hundred PLO aircraft.

[Osipov9391]

Norway and Finland will soon begin to actively receive dozens of F-35s planning JSOW ammunition, AGM-158 missiles will also be received for these aircraft.
And such fighters for a couple of countries can be under a hundred.
And the Swedes, if they find themselves in NATO, also have modern air forces and navies.

Until recently, one deputy in the Duma proposed to buy the Varyag aircraft carrier sold to him by Ukraine from China, and make it the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet for which it was laid down in the 80s.
And what they say to Ukraine, he illegally departed.

And the Chinese cook such aircraft carrier hulls quickly, even if you buy a new one.
And in the Big Stone to finish building.

[TANKISTONE]

vovochkarzhevsky Formulate a concept for the use of aircraft carriers by Russia, and at the same time indicate where they are based, these things require ice-free ports.
Do not offer crazy ideas like the conquest of world domination.

India has the Indian Ocean, so she (India) needs aircraft carriers. Russia does not have a Russian Ocean, so she (Russia) does not need aircraft carriers?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

India has the Indian Ocean, so she (India) needs aircraft carriers. Russia does not have a Russian Ocean, so she (Russia) does not need aircraft carriers?

The version that was not rolled. Example. There are a whole bunch of states that do not have a powerful icebreaking fleet. And nothing, somehow manage.

[Arcius Long]

Why do we need them. How to cover them, where and with what forces to serve. And where to apply them, we do not capture the world. We would have to deal with other classes of ships.

[Codett]

An aircraft carrier is of course needed, as it is a complex moving target that is capable of performing many tasks in a warrant. Yes, I understand that we are not even able to repair, and without modernizing Kuzya, we are still not able to build security ships or warrants for whom it is more convenient for them to constantly break the construction deadlines for small corvettes and frigates, but they will not have enough autonomy to escort aircraft carriers, plus they still need an AWACS based seaplane on an aircraft carrier, but even China has both artificial islands and aircraft carriers. An aviation strike group (AUG) is an operational formation of brigade-division level ships, the combat core of which is a multipurpose aircraft carrier (AVM). Aircraft carriers never operate alone, but always as part of the so-called aircraft carrier groups: strike (AUG), multipurpose (AMG) or anti-submarine (APUG). At the same time, the strike aircraft carrier is the core of the formation, the flagship if you like, at the present stage of development of the Navy and shipbuilding in Russia, you first need to learn how to make power plants for large ships, modern diesel engines for smaller ships, and finally put an end to sabotage, I don’t know wrecking even how to name the number of emergency situations and constant shifts to the right in the construction of ships for the fleet, and the construction of a series of ships not needed for modern conflicts, strange things happen there ...

[alexey_444]

Well done Indians, of course it’s hard for us to keep up with them, the population is decreasing and our citizens do not want to work for the salary of an Indian, to build the same aircraft carrier. It’s good that they are building to cover our tankers and gas carriers in case of need, we just don’t have enough ships.