The Turkish edition, citing Mossad, published estimates of the losses of the parties to the conflict in Ukraine

In the West, statements by officials and publications in the media devoted to the analysis of the losses of the Ukrainian army during the military confrontation with Russia are not welcome. The layman should consider that he is financing the "victorious march" of the Kyiv regime, and statistics of this kind can dissuade him of the effectiveness of the assistance provided by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Back in early November 2022, the US command announced the figure of 100 liquidated Ukrainian military. Since then, it has remained unchanged, despite the ongoing active hostilities. Against this background, the publication of loss statistics in the Turkish edition of Hurseda is of interest. Allegedly, it is based on data from the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, which fell into the hands of journalists. Estimated data. But these estimates are very significant.

The Turkish press states that as of January 14 of this year, Russia's losses amounted to 23 aircraft, 56 helicopters, 200 drones [apparently, without taking into account small-sized UAVs, for example, quadrocopters], 889 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 427 artillery systems (towed guns, mortars, self-propelled guns, MLRS), 12 air defense systems, 44500 wounded, 18480 dead and 323 prisoners [probably not taken into account released as a result of the exchange].

Ukraine lost 302 aircraft, 212 helicopters, 2750 UAVs, 6320 tanks and other armored vehicles, 7360 artillery systems, 497 air defense systems, 234 thousand wounded, 157 thousand dead and 17320 prisoners.

The losses of the West directly in manpower amounted to 5360 liquidated mercenaries, 2458 military personnel of the armies of NATO countries and 234 military instructors of the alliance.

The multiple difference in the damage suffered by the Ukrainian troops in comparison with the Russian army is striking.

Comments

[voice of reason]

Yes, yes, otherwise there were often cippish grunts that they say "there are no problems with meat in Sumeria, they will catch the military registration and enlistment offices as much as they like and replenish the brigades that will defend hundreds of villages" well, Svidomo? running out of meat? Then back and forth, shabby parts are dragged from Artemovsk to Ugledar.
And now you can't blame everything on "fairy tales" and you can't accuse Konoshenkov of anything. Well this is MOSSAD and the Turks, is it really evil? eat your training manuals - they don’t work anymore - the truth got out like they didn’t hide it.
well, the icing on the cake is the recognition of naphthalene that personally nothing threatens the green, then this juicy plum, Israel is just happy ...

[Orange Bigg]

Now they are going to fight against Russia for years and say that until they win the war they won’t end and don’t care about losses. This already looks like some kind of psychosis.

“The majority of Ukrainians are ready to continue this war, no matter how terrible it may sound and no matter how many losses and deaths it brings us, however, all sociological studies show that Ukrainians want victory. And victory for Ukrainians means the full restoration of our sovereignty, the return of our territories, the return of all our prisoners of war, reparations, payments and, in general, the destruction of the Russian Federation as a country, an empire, simply its disappearance from the world map. This is how most of those around me perceive me if you ask what victory is, ”said Guy.

https://www.politnavigator.net/tolko-ischeznovenie-rf-s-karty-mira-oficer-vsu.html
Here he is on the right.

“I don’t really believe in the statements that were previously made that Ukraine will return Crimea this year, although miracles happen, after a year of war I won’t be surprised at anything. But I am setting myself up for a long-term war, not one or two years, and would make plans based on the worst possible scenario, ”Gai said.

https://www.politnavigator.net/v-ehtom-godu-na-vozvrashhenie-kryma-mozhno-ne-rasschityvat-boevik-vsu.html

[Shurik70]

It was necessary in 2014, as soon as the Donbass began to be genocide, the NWO should be started.
Eight years of high-quality brainwashing means something.
Many times here at VO, many said that peace should be made, people are dying.
Only now, if we make peace now, within the current borders, Ukraine will be flooded with loans and military equipment in order to prepare and train for a new war. And in five years the war will be even more terrible.
No. Can't finish now. We must exterminate all those who want to exterminate us all.
And those who went to the front against their will and do not want to fight - let them surrender. They will definitely remain in captivity until the end of the war (unless, of course, Kyiv again covers the pre-trial detention center with missiles)

[topol717]

Quote: Shurik70

Eight years of high-quality brainwashing means something.

I would say 28 years of brainwashing.
In general, my childhood friend said back in 1984 that he was from Kharkov, and we were in eastern Kazakhstan, Ukraine feeds and clothes the entire USSR, and without the USSR, Ukraine would have lived very richly.

[isv000]

Quote from: topol717

Quote: Shurik70

Eight years of high-quality brainwashing means something.

I would say 28 years of brainwashing.
In general, my childhood friend said back in 1984 that he was from Kharkov, and we were in eastern Kazakhstan, Ukraine feeds and clothes the entire USSR, and without the USSR, Ukraine would have lived very richly.

Well, then, the “breadwinners” of the “eternally hungry and, moreover, drinking older brother” were not few, of the brothers, only Belarusians remained. It would be time for us to pass the credit for the lessons, for a solid five! There were provinces and territories in the kingdom-state and - not any republics! All national education - from the evil one. In any state of the world there is a titular nation and small nationalities, and everyone gets along because, otherwise, this state will have to perish in the abyss of civil war...

[Evgeny_4]

Completely wrong. You can't do that.

[Rostislav_Stepanov]

In 1992, I demobilized from Ukraine, even then they either hated us or despised us, and not only in Western Ukraine, but also in Kyiv and in the east. No, of course there were normal people, but even then they were a minority.

[DO]

Rostislav_Stepanov, in the late 70s (for youth sports) and in the early 90s (on business trips) I visited Kyiv. None of us noticed any hatred towards ourselves even once. Personally, I saw then the people of Kiev as benevolent people, with a sense of humor.
Just before the end of the USSR, I heard several times from Ukrainians conversations "we will separate, we will live." My bewildered questions at the expense of what followed a bewildered silence. One elderly intelligent man in Kyiv told me as a young man, they say, wait, we will still fight. I violently did not believe him, but how he was right ...

[Denis812]

Since 2008-2009, every year I went to Ukraine on business trips, first from St. Petersburg, and then from Krakow on my IT projects. The office had an office there for almost 2 thousand people at that time.
And all this time, a slow, but obvious slide into "Westernness" and a departure from Russia was definitely visible.
And since 2014, they even stopped hiding it at all.
It was all noticeable at the everyday level, such as in 2008-12, it was unrealistic to hear the Ukrainian language in Kyiv. And after 2014, even in hypers at the box office, the aunts chattered on a wonderful mixture of Russian and Ukrainian.
And, of course, at the customs office in Boryspil, the check ceased to be a formality, they took me to the "security officer", they asked questions for half an hour.
And in the company’s office itself, the names of the conference rooms appeared in Ukrainian, people in the kitchens began to talk in Ukrainian, in official correspondence, no, no, and an email in Ukrainian will flash if a thread starts somewhere in Kyiv.
In general, it was on the rise and it was absolutely visible.

But, on the other hand, I can note that I did not feel any such "hatred" for myself or for my colleagues from the Russian Federation.
Now, working in Poland - the same thing. I do not see hatred from ordinary Poles or Ukrainians. From the TV and radio, yes, dirt pours, of course.

[Reklastik]

This means that for the Poles, either the dirt from TV and radio is compensated by alternative points of view and sources of information, or it is not intense enough, or it does not flow for long enough. The media cannot but form the opinion of society. In Ukraine, they were formed in a quarter of a century.

[Essex62]

Just like in Russia, it has been formed. Divide and rule. If all areas are integrated, with developed infrastructure and industry, there is no question of who feeds whom. All - all. For example, on the outskirts, factories are building engines that are installed on ships built by the RSFSR, at the Baltic Shipyard, etc. All of them work. Where is dependency? The USSR was a single organism and all the republics strictly followed the plan. And to crush national self-consciousness will just lead to tension and severing of ties. The republics of Central Asia really stand apart here, the mentality did not coincide very much. The Soviet government did not really take root there and it was not possible to civilize the dekhkans. Only in big cities. But today they are our main labor force.

[Belopolyak]

At the end of 2022, by chance, in one online game, I was brought to the Ukrainian guild for a month, they communicated there in both Russian and Ukrainian (I had no problems with understanding, yet I come from Belarus and it is not difficult to understand Ukrainian). Two had avatars with the symbols of the UPA, Azov, there were 10 people from Russia there, there was no hatred. The military theme was indirectly raised, for example, "I will not be there, there is no electricity, the "bank" is running low." A few foreigners (there were a couple of Chinese) sometimes touched upon the topic of the war and the situation on the ground, wishing us a speedy reconciliation. One person left abruptly. the house of the parents was torn down, there was no time for the game, family problems had to be solved. In general, feelings of how and what occasionally slipped, but most importantly, there was no hatred for the Russians from anyone. Well, some knew about the war for a long time. As an example: my godfather comes from Ternopil, lived in the Crimea, in 2008 the last time he saw someone from our family was going to return, because. knew it would not be easy. He spoke to my mother and already then said that when everything is over, we will be alive, we will find ourselves. He was more or less aware, because. he is from a radical family (his grandfather is tried for this, father and son and had connections in certain circles). I don’t know how and what they have now, there is no connection (but most likely his son, if alive, is at war). The godfather, by the way, went against the family by baptizing the "Moskal". At the last meeting, he only said we want to be separate, but I don't want it to be like that. In 2008, he knew what was coming. For me, this is a civil war, there is relatives or relatives of my relatives, on both sides of the barricades (someone is already gone ...). Most are on the side of Russia, but not all. And they lie about the losses, what I hear from those who are there or who treats the wounded does not fit in with what they write in the media. In general, I read little news on a military topic in recent months, a lot of lies and bravado. I want this to end as soon as possible and with as few casualties as possible on both sides.
P.S. my nickname means Polish-Belarusian origin, and not some kind of nationalist views.

[Lelik 56]

We heard this in the 70s. In real life, Russia fed and watered everyone. A refugee from Kyrgyzstan arrives and begins to praise that they lived better than us, but I find it funny. By whom?

[Essex62]

The RSFSR has too much territory, mostly with a cold climate and a large population. Many more resources were needed, and they are limited. Because, as the priorities of defense and supersocial. In a small republic, without the need to be distracted by harsh conditions, it is much easier to create prosperity. Well, without ideological distortions, too, could not do. Showcase of socialism and all that.

[The centurion]

When he served in the army (DMB 82-84), they often played preference in the officer's hotel. Among us were officers, Dnieper Ukrainians (Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava). So, after the third glass, they traditionally started their goat song: “Ukraine is rich, we have everything. But the Union (Muscovites) is robbing us, they ate all our fat, drank all the vodka, fucked all our girls. It was unpleasant for us to listen to this nonsense, we stopped inviting them to the “bullet”. It is curious that there was one Kazakh lieutenant among us. So, such nonsense, only in the Kazakh way, he began to carry only after ... the sixth glass. Now I think with horror when this “sixth glass” will shoot in Russian-Kazakh relations, because everyone knows that what is on the tongue of a drunk is on the head of a sober one. For me, this question is not idle, I live a hundred kilometers from the Kazakh border.

[Kruglov]

You are right, it will shoot. "Geostrategist" - Shkolnikov predicts that we can expect as early as 2025-2027.

[Quiet Don]

In 86, a brother took schoolchildren around Ukraine on a tour and at some railway station they shouted over the speakerphone about the venerable hetman Mazepa and his "exploits" in the field of betrayal. The brother was quite surprised, because in Soviet textbooks this figure was characterized negatively .

[Jackson]

And such statements are not only coming from them ... Most of the former republics of the USSR say so now. It's public policy for many...

[Guran33 Sergey]

This myth created by American PR companies turned out to be very tenacious .. "Export-import" of the RSFSR-Ukrainian SSR was taken in different currencies (ruble-dollar), and the RSFSR, which in real life imported goods to the outskirts 2,5-4 times more, suddenly became a "habitat "which is being fed..

[Glagol1]

In 1990, I picked up a right-hand drive Toyota in Odessa. Distilled to Moscow with an overnight stay in Kyiv. So, in 1990, 33 years ago, I already heard Ukrainian “songs” with might and main that they supposedly feed damned Russia and all the troubles of independent Russia because of it. God cursed this nation a long time ago. And in the post-Soviet space there are 2 geography that are like that. 404th and Balts. By the way, they, and this is not a coincidence, were primarily in the service of the Nazis.

[ivan_zaitsew]

This common opinion existed in the days of the USSR. Now it would be called a meme

[krops777]

And in five years the war will be even more terrible.
No. Can't finish now. We must exterminate all those who want to exterminate us all.

44500 wounded, 18480 dead and 323 prisoners, if this is true and most likely not far from the truth, then this is a shame to our Defense Ministry, there were fewer losses in 10 years of Afghanistan, what kind of massacre in the NVO occurs in less than a year such losses, despite the fact that in armament and in means of delivery, we are many times superior. At this pace, in half a year, if not earlier, the next mobilization will have to be announced to make up for losses.

[voice of reason]

If you were a Russian, you would probably remember the two Chechen campaigns in the first place. Change the training manual, shame on the cissists for their unprofessionalism.

[krot]

Quote: voice of reason

Would you be Russian

Yes, they have been sitting there without fat for several months, some cookies are genetically modified from the State Department, there are not enough vitamins and minerals .. So the brains dry.
In Afghanistan, there was no direct clash with the regular army, aviation, rocket and even armored vehicles. There was a "guerrilla" war against us and the Afghan army.
And now a millionth army of meat and NATO weapons are against us.

[Alexy]

When did NATO equipment begin to arrive? What was the largest army in Ukraine a year ago? Our column stood near Kiev for three weeks - they did not know what to do. Where is the military cunning and ingenuity? The defeat at Ugledar a year later confirms that planning is very tight.

[Quiet Don]

I don’t justify the Moscow Region, but I wouldn’t compare this wonderful operation with Afghanistan, there was no integral huge front and the enemy was partisans, without sufficient heavy weapons and aviation with air defense.

[polk26l]

Dear "krops 777"! The combat operations of the USSR Armed Forces participating in the territory of Afghanistan cannot be compared with the NVO on the territory of Nedo-Ukraine !, not in terms of the volume of hostilities, not in terms of their scale, taking into account the forces and means involved and methods of conducting hostilities! Hence the number of losses! Also, consider the enemy! His level of preparedness, quality and volume of weapons and equipment used! In fact, the RUSSIA Armed Forces are at war with the same "Russians" as they are! Given the level of training, weapons and tactics of action, we can say that this is a kind of "CIVIL WAR"! Since the strategy and tactics of the Russian army have changed since the fall of 2022, more on the defensive, with the use of more artillery, aircraft, missile systems, the enemy’s losses have become many times greater than ours! And of course, the skill and preparedness of our soldiers are on top!!! So - VICTORY WILL BE FOR US!

[Danynax13]

At this rate, in six months, the Ukrainians will run out ..
Moreover, this is the clear goal of the Europeans to free up living space for wild migrants from overseas ..

[Danynax13]

In the early 2000s, an acquaintance took his family out, lived west of Kiev - they survived, he says, sold out according to deshman and left ...

[vlad106]

I wonder what is the origin of this Guy with such a schnobel?

[poquello]

Quote: voice of reason

This is MOSSAD

"Ukraine lost 157 thousand dead" - I would give more, perhaps the figure without the "missing"

[Orange Bigg]

Of course, no missing persons. After all, it is officially considered that it is not a fact that they died, although everyone understands that they died.

The media also report that the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Ukraine allegedly prepared more than 320 appeals "about the fate of the missing soldiers", but the SBU banned them for national security purposes - however, these widespread data are not documented. Their source is the statements of a number of members of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, made orally and on social networks.

https://strah.mirtesen.ru/blog/43034850371/OSINT-Armiya-Ukrayinyi-poteryala-bolee-300-tyisyach-boytsov

And this is another plus 350 thousand. And 157 thousand killed plus 350 thousand missing, this is already excuse me half a million dead. Plus 234 thousand wounded, this is already 734 thousand 200s and 300s. forces of Ukrainian security forces in the region of 250 thousand. Add 734 thousand retired. Here is the million about which Zelensky trumpeted. Now, according to the plan, they want to mobilize another 200 thousand and that will be in the region of half a million in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although the quality of this material is not very good. After all, the eighth wave of mobilization.

[Kyrgyz]

Yes, well, 350 thousand could not be missing there

[Edik]

Quote: Kyrgyz

Yes, well, 350 thousand could not be missing there

This is, in terms of Ukrainian officials, real money that does not have to be paid. And the loot goes missing there in the billions. Especially when in some situations there really is nothing left of a person. The hardest thing is that brother against brother is real.

[NetKeys]

Since 2014, these brothers have sincerely enlisted as non-brothers. And they began to wet all Russians with a twinkle with a square-nested method. Torture, shoot, genocide on ethnic and linguistic grounds. There is no brother-to-brother confrontation.

[Essex62]

A citizen of the state, who has a law on military duty, has nowhere to escape from the war. He wants, he doesn’t want, he considers himself Russian or broad, they don’t ask him. They also shaved into the trench. There is a civil war there, there is brother against brother. Freemasons are excellent at disposing of Russians. If pro-Russian politicians were in power there, cleaning out Bandera, everything would be different.
An aggressive minority calls for music. It's all about fear. In Germany, in the 30s, the majority also screamed heil in order to survive.

[RED_ICE]

Agree. Missing persons cannot be twice as many as those killed. Perhaps 157 thousand is together with the missing. They were counted as dead

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: RED_ICE

Agree. Missing persons cannot be twice as many as those killed. Perhaps 157 thousand is together with the missing. They were counted as dead

Why can't this be? There is no need to pay money to families for the missing. The dead are recorded as missing.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Kyrgyz

Yes, well, 350 thousand could not be missing there

Why couldn't it?

[Alex777]

Quote: Kyrgyz

Yes, well, 350 thousand could not be missing there

Could have been more.
Zaluzhny in the States, in December, announced losses of 257.

[aglet]

"Well, 350 abyss could not be missing there"
so 157 thousand killed is even more than Konashenko reports, almost twice

[Svale]

The media also reported that the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Ukraine

And what does our Committee of Soldiers' Mothers say?

[Krivobokoff]

That 300000 missing. It's written right there.

[kapitan92]

Quote: poquello

"Ukraine lost 157 thousand dead" - I would give more, perhaps the figure without the "missing"

So our figures, according to the Mossad, do not include the loss of the Wagner PMC, the LDNR police, and volunteers.

[Commissar77]

Quote: poquello

Quote: voice of reason

This is MOSSAD

"Ukraine lost 157 thousand dead" - I would give more, perhaps the figure without the "missing"

I would also give more than what not to give from the couch. What is 157 thousand? Divide by 11 months / 30 days in a month and you get half a thousand a day in total. To make it easier for the Mossad to count, it is necessary to round up to a thousand dead per day. And yes, the author of the article did not provide a link to the Mossad, but to some Turkish edition of Hurseda.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: voice of reason

Well this is MOSSAD and the Turks, is it really evil? eat your training manuals - they don’t work anymore - the truth got out like they didn’t hide it.

Yes, I’m talking about MOSSAD today on your comment, I wrote at 11.38.
So I sewed in a bag, the junta will not hide. Although the data is underestimated, "they don't substitute their own." Not without reason, Budanov called the same number of losses (allegedly blabbed out) and at the moment the MOSSAD and the Turks immediately. And suddenly Budanov is already the Minister of Defense. This infa is also "fake".

[Diger]

Quote: voice of reason

Well this is MOSSAD and the Turks, is it really evil?

Mossad is not aware of this (you can ask yourself)
https://www.mossad.gov.il/heb/about/Pages/headannouncement.aspx
I was talking with Dadi the other day (he hasn't even heard of such a Turkish newspaper)

hürseda haber doesn't even give a link.
It can be assumed: OBS. Grandmother, of course Israeli

Quote: author

Ukraine lost 302 aircraft, 212 helicopters, 2750 UAVs, 6320 tanks and other armored vehicles, 7360 artillery systems, 497 air defense systems, 234 thousand wounded, 157 thousand dead and 17320 prisoners.

According to The Military Balance, the Ground Forces of Ukraine were in service at the beginning of 2022: 858 tanks of various types and another 1132 in storage 1212 infantry fighting vehicles
858+1132+1212< 6320 tanks and other armored vehicles

[Borz]

And you do not take into account the number of armored vehicles transferred to Ukraine by the West? A huge number of various kinds of armored vehicles, including outright trash, such as the English "Spartan"? Hundreds of tanks. And EVERYTHING that rides on wheels and tracks falls into the category of "armored vehicles". So the figure for the loss of armored vehicles is quite adequate for itself

[Diger]

I take into account. And he wrote in the comments (cut off somewhere).
858 + 1132 + 1212 = 3202
The remaining ~ 3000 will fit both Poland and rubbish like Sparians.
Only I, after all, all the armored ones that were in Ukraine, even those that were in storage (and many remained there) “take into account” and how

Quote from Nastia Markova

Poland alone delivered more than 500 tanks

Yes. Fill up the tanks.
410 (today 440) tanks from POLAND, Slovenia, Czech Republic (all together)
1100 all other armored (including armored personnel carrier -300, 50 M2, 40 mice)
Blomberg will not let you lie:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-15/ukraine-seeks-weapons-to-beat-back-russia-here-s-what-it-s-got?srnd=premium-europe

[Nastia makarova]

Poland alone delivered more than 500 tanks

[Rakitin]

At the time of the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine had 5 tanks. Half sold out in 500 years. In 30, the reverse process began - with the allocated Western money, Ukraine began to hastily buy back and repair property sold out over the years of independence.

[Diger]

At the time of the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine had 5 tanks

Why are these numbers now?
And not 5500, but

In total, Ukraine received 8700 tanks, 11 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 000 units of rocket and cannon artillery, and 18 aircraft.

I wrote

According to The Military Balance, the Ground Forces of Ukraine were armed with at the beginning of 2022:

What does "buy back" mean?
More specifically! How much, when from whom?
Note . By the end of November 2022, according to the RF Ministry of Defense, 5153 armored vehicles were destroyed. If you attach a picture, then it's from the cart-mo.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: voice of reason

Yes, yes, otherwise there were often cippish grunts that they say "there are no problems with meat in Sumeria, they will catch the military registration and enlistment offices as much as they like and replenish the brigades that will defend hundreds of villages" well, Svidomo? running out of meat? Then back and forth, shabby parts are dragged from Artemovsk to Ugledar.
And now you can't blame everything on "fairy tales" and you can't accuse Konoshenkov of anything. Well this is MOSSAD and the Turks, is it really evil? eat your training manuals - they don’t work anymore - the truth got out like they didn’t hide it.
well, the icing on the cake is the recognition of naphthalene that personally nothing threatens the green, then this juicy plum, Israel is just happy ...

Yes, yes, some publication claims that Mossad information allegedly fell into their hands. Not otherwise, Biden dragged home and threw it into the trash

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

Mercenaries have gone stupid now, if not brainless. Actually, the fate of a mercenary is to fight on the side of the winner. It makes no sense to fight on the side where the losses are many times greater if you are fighting for money. The probability of using them is too small in this scenario.
And we are sorry to tears, although the ratio is approximately 1:9.

[Sith]

For a mercenary, in any case ... death will most likely come from an "accident" at work)

[Irokez]

Quote: Pavel_Sveshnikov

And we are sorry to tears, although the ratio is approximately 1:9.

Well, to be honest, it's a pity for everyone, both ours and those who are deceived.
There are fewer Nazis and Bandera than the rest. Moreover, this deceived people, controlled by a fanatical elite, simply "does not know what they are doing" because they are beaten and frightened by the inhumanly tough leadership, which is also controlled from the West.
Therefore, the death of these people (those who are precisely deceived) is our own blood of the people who fell under the millstones of a terrible experiment directed against us and at their expense. For the most part, many simply have no way out due to misunderstanding, according to the situation or fear for their lives.
The Slavs are destroying the Slavs of one faith and this is very upsetting. There is no disunity and inability to consolidate against the government and a handful of Nazis, which does not allow them to overthrow the government and there is no way to help them except to overthrow their Banderonian power with the sword and blood of their own people (of one blood) on both sides.
The deaths of Ukrainians (deceived Russ) are also very upsetting and I don’t see joy here, well, except for true Nazis.

[aakvit]

sorry ... those who are deceived.

You still remember the poor deceived Germans and others like them in WWII! There were not so many SSs compared to the Wehrmacht ...

[Irokez]

So it's the same story. Goebbels knew how to work. But even the conspiracy was against Hitler of those who understood something, but did not work, and Ukraine was completely under the hood.

[Shark Lover]

They are all deceived, basically. Even on the next branch, two snouts are also deceived, they want to fight to the end. The deceived came from the age of 14, who understood that they were being deceived, the rest of the deceived remained, they thought that they would suddenly crawl through and take the Muscovites into slavery in the closet. But they were deceived that they would not have to answer and they were already answering dead. You can’t feel sorry for the enemy (I’m not talking about bullying), with weapons, everything, to the grave. Put on a uniform, for any reason, dig yourself a hole. I liked the statement of one famous blogger, Steshin. What to do with the Ukrainians? They have to earn the right to live a normal life (suck)

[Irokez]

The question is very difficult about people who fall into the so-called misunderstandings when the mind and logic say one thing, and life in all its diversity is another.
Propaganda does its job in all countries, but there is propaganda for the humanity of life according to all natural rules, and there is anti-human propaganda for the sake of a minority when, under good calls, they commit anti-human acts and the fact is that there is no right to choose and the rule "voluntarily forced" is introduced when for survival has to be driven by power or force. That is, a person does not want, but is forced. Accordingly, realizing that he is making a mistake or a sin, a person goes under forced coercion in the hope that somehow he will "slip" or "everything will work out."
That is, there is a certain situation characterized as "Irresistible force" which takes everyone under its control, but then how it will turn out with a person, and this is the whole tragedy, moreover, with our brothers, relatives and co-religionists. Yes, many left, if possible, at the beginning, paid off and slipped abroad, but there are those who simply cannot or could not (sick, family, poor, stupid, who do not believe in such a future). I'm talking about normally adequate people, all sorts of Nazis and the like themselves chose their path to Banter, although many of them were also brainwashed.
In the world there is a struggle for the minds of people and it turns out that one thing was shoved into the brains of one, and the other another, so they are enemies among themselves, but in essence and nature are brothers. But when you open your eyes to both (that is, show the truth), then, having understood the truth, they immediately become adequate and sane. Having removed the manipulators over the brains, peace appears among people who were previously at war.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

I respect the Mossad, but no missing persons data. And they can be shocking...

[vova1910]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

I respect the Mossad, but no missing persons data. Namely, they can shock

It does not bother you that the Mossad chose to inform the Turkish public, while even the Israelis are completely unaware of his reports. This article reeks of lies.

[igorbrsv]

A little wrong. This was printed by the Turkish press, citing a leak from a Mossad source. But it smells like lies. Although I think the numbers are comparable

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Possibly a throw. But here is the fact that the losses are terrible: the truth.

[Leshak]

The difference is noticeable. Ukrovermacht does not take into account human losses.

[dmi.pris1]

Apparently, the way it is. There is a question about the missing.

[gsev]

It is doubtful that the Mossad will advertise their data. This will inevitably lead to the disclosure of the source of information.

[NetKeys]

These data do not represent state secrets of Israel. You can provide "leaks" right and left. No problem. Yes, even in advertising twist.

[Bingo]

This is closer to reality...
PiSi, then they threw me a video ...
https://m.vk.com/video-96503484_456248309?list=9199b0524e1a361f58&from=wall-96503484_1274292

[Prjanik]

And this is taking into account the missing dill in the vicinity of Soledar and Artemovsk?

[igorbrsv]

No. This is December information. But given how much they mobilize and how much they lose, the total number of the living, I think, does not change at all. Only the quality is falling and there is less heavy equipment

[75 Sergey]

Well, I would not count on the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would run out of human resources, they trained someone in the BMP, Bradley and other armored cars.
The feeling that trained and motivated parts are being held somewhere, and ordinary men are being sent to be eaten, and they would immediately surrender to the fools.

[Arigin]

The loss figure of 889 units is striking. tanks + BBM. Twelve air defense systems, on the contrary, seems underestimated. According to Wikipedia, only the Shells were lost more.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Arigin

Twelve air defense systems, on the contrary, seems underestimated. According to Wikipedia, only the Shells were lost more.

Didn’t they try to find out who edits Pedivikia and in whose mainstream news about Russia and Ukraine is compiled there?
They are still modest ... They could write about thousands of destroyed shells. They wrote that 125 thousand Russians were killed, as well as about "bloody executions in Bucha and Mariupol", "failure of the Russian invasion", etc.
The paper will endure everything ... however, I would not recommend, as an argument, to turn to the coming out-fantastic-Pediviki as evidence of my position.

[Prjanik]

You won’t find anything in pediviki, for example, how Ukrainian MiG-29s shoot down our Su-35s, how Russians indiscriminately shoot cities from S-300s and Ukrainian Tochki-U, etc.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Arigin

The loss figure of 889 units is striking. tanks + BBM. Twelve air defense systems, on the contrary, seems underestimated. According to Wikipedia, only the Shells were lost more.

Who fills Wikipedia? There were already 50 thousand Russian losses in the spring. And now the same number

[Mint Gingerbread]

I think it is worth taking into account the losses not directly from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but together with the Armed Forces of the DPR and LPR.
Ukrainians are simply terrible losses. And now they will be driven to the slaughter.

[The popuas]

Wikipedia believe.. ....Ahaha... do not respect yourself and also to refer to it as a fool to pass for ...

[Mint Gingerbread]

Didn't refer to Wikipedia. This is a logical conclusion that losses should be taken into account not only by the parties of the Russian Federation. If the brains of some readers are not enough for such banal conclusions, it is sad.

[Anatoly Proskurin]

Yesterday, this infa was in the cart. Indirectly, it looks like the truth. Losses of the RF Armed Forces. DNR LNR were not included in the statistics.

[Michael]

MOSSAD simply has to know everything. Zelensky certainly reports once a week for sure.
In fact, an Israeli citizen can not tell anyone about his citizenship and even deny it, and the Israeli Foreign Ministry is not obliged to confirm or deny citizenship at the request of the Foreign Ministry of another state, and even has the right to give incorrect information. These are Israeli laws.

[Tagan]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

I respect the Mossad, but no missing persons data. And they can be shocking...

The topic of the missing is basically the most convenient ukroreyhu. Because it is they who need to somehow disguise the losses and avoid additional spending on benefits. Here, most likely, such a story is not taken into account, because it is meaningless in terms of detailing real losses.

[Li17]

Well, let someone explain our losses in the CBO format? I mean, a special operation with such losses has the format of a war! And this fault is in the failure (betrayal?) of our leadership!

[Boris Sergeev]

Russian losses in the NMD have already surpassed the Soviet times of the 10-year war in Afghanistan (about 13 thousand).

And the question is how the losses are reflected in the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There is no need to talk about its radical decrease.

[alexey_444]

In principle, it seems that only a dozen aircraft were lost on the ground, plus all sorts of Chernobaevka with helicopters. Yes, and tanks and stuff too. The counterbattery struggle is mutual, not only we, but also they are Ukropov’s losses, if they weren’t like that, they wouldn’t mobilize everyone now, and so, according to Ukropov’s data, even now there is not a million but a twofold superiority. Now the West is scratching its turnips, the orcs are losing more than we are, the mercenaries are running out, and in Europe 100 thousand you can find all sorts of Poles and other suicides, and then who to fight, Americans can only fight from the level of an Arab. so up to 25 years to pull.

[tTshka]

And where is the data on the missing persons (60-70% of which can be written down in "200") ... a couple of weeks ago I read an interesting article, and it was not even done on my knee .... and so, if it’s completely rude, then the numbers are about the same, with the exception of the percentage of the missing to the 200th, which is about 330 among the horses...

[Fangaro]

It was not possible to quickly press Ukraine to the nail. Now we will gradually lose our soldiers, lose specialists from factories that will be needed in the Armed Forces, lose income from the sale of gas, oil, refined products, lose allies ...
Maybe not right, but "Citizens of Russia! The beginning of the NWO turned out to be not well prepared. We are to blame for the level of training and are trying to correct our mistakes. But we need your help! Citizens of Russia! We all need this Special Military Operation to move the danger away for Russia from our borders.
Help the Government of Russia to make life safer for all of us!"
Where is the admission of error and the call for help?

[Kyrgyz]

You can not lose anything, just put everything under the control of the "humane and civilized" and rely on their humanity and civility, and if they want to give everything unquestioningly and of course repent, always and everywhere, and there will be no losses)))

[Bulrumeb]

Ukraine lost 302 aircraft, 212 helicopters, 2750 UAVs, 6320 tanks and other armored vehicles, 7360 artillery systems, 497 air defense systems, 234 thousand wounded, 157 thousand dead and 17320 prisoners.

It's from the evil one. Where are the missing? And in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the missing = killed.

[Rage66]

For some reason I believe in Jews. They are not engaged ... yet

[Old Horseradish]

But the Mossad did not tell Zelensky and his entourage about immunity guarantees? Mossad loss figures are bullshit. It's probably much worse. 150 thousand shells that Israel gave to Ukraine show their true colors.

[Sergey985]

The Americans delivered 150000 shells. The shells were in warehouses belonging to the United States. Israel immediately disowned these shells. The Prime Minister of Israel emphasized this in particular.

[Old Horseradish]

No question. Abramovich gave Ukraine 2 lard of greenery and immediately said that it was not his money. The same canoe with shells. Throw 3 shells into Syria, then the Palestinians will come and take them away. And look what answer you get from Israel.

[Mikhail Tynda]

What? None. Throughout their lives, the Palestinians have been running around with mestizos and bassoons, babies and Akm.

[Roman Efremov]

The Ukrainians have only 1,5 times more wounded than the dead (and not 3). This indicates a huge mortality among the wounded and the low effectiveness of medical care at all levels.

[former soldier]

The Ukrainians have only 1,5 times more wounded than the dead (and not 3). This indicates a huge mortality among the wounded and the low effectiveness of medical care at all levels.

Or about the fact that with massive art. shelling and MLRS there are few wounded and most of the bodies remain in the ground and under the collapse of former shelters .. Who would dig them out.

[Krivobokoff]

During the Second World War, as I understand it, there were no massive artillery shelling and MLRS

[Dante77]

We all know they don't care about losses. Their tactics are cruel to their own soldiers, but if you do not care about human losses, then it is quite effective, the question is, what to do about it?

[runway-1]

The Turkish press claims that as of January 14 of this year, Russia's losses amounted to ... 12 air defense systems
...
The losses of the West directly in manpower amounted to ... 2458 military personnel of the armies of NATO countries and 234 military instructors of the alliance

In these "data from the foreign press" something clearly does not "beat" with data from other sources, especially about NATO.

[Rakitin]

Why isn't it beating? It's no secret that Polish equipment is "supplied" exclusively with Polish crews. 200 tanks and 50 self-propelled guns - this is already under 1000 people of one crew member. Half of this technology, at least, has already been lost in battles. Due to the peculiarities of the placement of ammo in tanks of the T-72 family, with a successful penetration, the case usually ends in detonation and there is no one to save from the crew. So 300-400 dead Polish tankers and artillerymen alone are quite realistic. But NATO's participation is not limited to the Poles alone.

[Pavel57]

The loss of drones is not very clear. What is it about? Do strike drones count?

[Consultant]

Most likely, most of them are quadcopters for 15 tr.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Expert

Most likely, most of them are quadcopters for 15 tr.

No one will count a quadrocopter. Eagles and other medium-caliber UAVs are quite real

[bessonov932]

The "originals" confuse me! Does the Mossad send out press releases to just anyone? Have you started mailing from the Turks? Or was it a secret?

[Eduard_Adolfovich]

18480 of our dead is nonsense I don’t believe

[Metal bro]

in which direction do you not believe? Should there be more?

[Metal bro]

Why not write "armored vehicles" instead of "tanks and other armored vehicles"?

[Consultant]

Why combine at all, comparing a tank and a conditional armored personnel carrier or a Hammer? Indeed, at the beginning of the CBO, separate statistics were issued.

[Ed1970]

In theory, Israel also cannot be 100% trusted, they may have their own interest in helping Ukraine, for example, by overestimating their losses in order to calm Russia. North Korea has no obvious interests. What are their numbers? ;)

[Carlos Hall]

So it is logical that they go to Poland, conscripting those who have escaped conscription.

[Mikhail Tynda]

Are you talking about Poroshenko, Zelensky and pind.os.kogo?

[acetophenone]

I have no doubt that our losses are lower. But there are horrendous numbers here. THE RATIO IS TOO OPTIMISTIC.
No, it would be better if those of them who took up arms never returned home. Even those who surrendered - let them live behind barbed wire. Siberia is big. There's plenty of snow there. Shovels in hand, and - alga!

[Nord11]

157 thousand, this is apparently without taking into account those hastily sprinkled in funnels and thrown through forests, copses and fields. According to leaks from the headquarters in Washington, the figure was 256 thousand, this is more like the truth. Well, according to the harsh mathematics of war, the number of wounded is usually three times the number of dead, and of the wounded, about 30% become disabled due to shell shock, burns, loss of limbs and severe consequences of injuries ..

[Consultant]

Or maybe the 256 thousand voiced are all those who left: killed, seriously wounded, missing, and taken prisoner?

[Shark Lover]

Quote: Nord11

and of the wounded, about 30% become disabled due to concussions, burns, loss of limbs and severe consequences of injuries.

We have, they say, 9%. Depends on field medicine, first aid and evacuation speed

[JonnyT]

Some of these numbers can be safely multiplied by 2.
With technology, it’s easier to calculate - the bodies and the scorched skeletons counted and everything, but with the soldiers it’s more difficult - God knows how many of them are still in the ground and in the fields and plantings, how many were burned in crematoria, and after all, some were not even in the ranks according to the papers APU

[solar]

in the Turkish edition of Hurseda. It is said to be based on Israeli intelligence Mossad.

Where else would Massad leak information, if not to a Turkish newspaper.

[cold wind]

Quote from solar

Where else would Massad leak information, if not to a Turkish newspaper.

I burst out laughing when I read this news, straight to tears Mossad to a Turkish newspaper... Although you see it says "Mossad" (quotation marks), maybe it's some kind of drug? Who knows their names in Turkey?

[Dmitrii]

If there is at least part of the truth in these figures, then NATO's losses in Ukraine will clearly be greater than those in Afghanistan, and this pleases.

[Revolver]

Calculate the costs of large-caliber shells and missiles from Grad and larger, and for sure the ratio will be close to the ratio of losses.

[Oleg Apushkin]

Scary, creepy! Turks, Jews.began to lie and tell. And the participants themselves are modestly silent or report other figures.

[tolmachiev51]

Jewish-Jewish "accounting" !!! Until we destroy these creatures, the wars for loot will continue.

[Seraphimamur]

In Ukraine, 157 thousand. the dead are those who were considered and passed according to the documents. According to the documents, the figures are underestimated for obvious reasons. There is a person on the list who receives allowances and humanitarian aid from NATO, an underestimation of losses indicates good command, etc. In fact, more people were killed.

[HattinGokbori88]

What Turkish newspaper? Turkey has a very competitive news market and also has some kind of "British tabloid" type newspaper that will print just about anything. Just last month, Turkey arrested a large number of Mossad agents. Why should they reveal something to Turkey? If they had said "Israeli diplomat" instead of "Mossad", it would have been more believable.

[Constantine N]

such publications clearly have some purpose and most likely aimed at the benefit of Ukraine.

[air wolf]

According to my calculations, according to technology, telegram, reports, for February, the real losses of Bandera scum are more than 500 thousand, multiply the wounded by 2.
Ours, sadly, divided by 10, it seems they remembered how to fight. The war is terrible, the pensioner himself is a hunter, he gave everything superfluous from the arsenal to the front, optics, collimators, nightlights, brackets for AK-74M, etc. and I advise everyone else, don’t huddle, everything is good

[Gayver]

They don’t believe the Mossad, but they believe the Dutch garbage about counting equipment, and this is after their report on Boeing. Oh well

[optimist007]

... Even from a young age, I was convinced that there is no event in the world that the newspaper would truthfully tell about ...
D. Orwell "Remembering the war in Spain"

[Yuri Martynenko]

Nihai at least they write and say, some ghouls have grown themselves a replacement for the fascist, stirred up the whole country on the outskirts.
They themselves live across the seas by the oceans, they earn grandmothers on the mountain of people.
And we beat each other.
And it could have happened with us, in Russia, if they had pissed away their homeland to the end.
Well, sho, there are cars, chewing gum, we ride wherever we want, we look at homosexuals with a grin but do not expel them from our country.
For children, so that we would not be disturbed by phone or tablet, they bought them, and the children are on the Internet and there someone, not their parents, is already teaching them how to live!
And then there's the fifth column throws shit into the furnace of discord among the people.
Here, there is no need for SVO.
The strength of the peasants will stand in this strange NWO where everyone took up arms against the Russian world!

[Guran33 Sergey]

It is striking that the number of wounded from the outskirts is too scanty .. against the backdrop of overcrowded hospitals and hospitals (open reports from the media - all regional and large district hospitals are overflowing with the wounded)

[Comrade Kim]

The Zionists from MOSSAD obligingly ignore the losses of the civilian population from the strikes of the Ukrovermacht.
For them, the lives of the Slavs are nothing.
Any statistics on wars always take into account civilian casualties.

But after our units left the settlements, after the "brilliant" regroupings, the Ukrovermacht often carried out actions of mass genocide.

But Jews never raise a fuss when non-Jews die.

[Glagol1]

I tend to believe Israeli estimates. Except for our losses in aviation. They are more than indicated. In general, they have professional intelligence services and great analytics. And this is one of the most important reasons why Israel has minimal losses in all complex conflicts ... You can’t say about us. 20000 dead in a year - with minimal territorial acquisitions. It is clear that our intelligence now does not impress anyone, everyone saw its "effectiveness". In NATO, they probably even laugh.

[Markovic]

I would like to respond to some comments. Social stereotypes that are introduced through the media sooner or later become individual stereotypes. And when they say that ordinary Ukrainians or Poles do not hate Russians, then this is a temporary phenomenon, sooner or later they will repeat what the media inspires them. Now, why do Ukrainians have a contempt for the Russians and, on the contrary, a desire to join the European Union? It's about the standard of living of Russians and Europeans. In just ten years from 2007 to 2017, our oligarchs withdrew 1 trillion dollars from Russia, this is the money of ordinary Russians, which could be spent on raising their living standards, increasing the birth rate, modernizing industry and agriculture. But they were spent on the purchase of foreign real estate, expensive yachts, investments in securities of foreign enterprises. And what is the result? These yachts are confiscated, overseas property is under arrest, stocks and bonds are frozen. And our people are silent.

[border]

In our Internet there are only links to this edition on a similar topic under discussion. According to the search engine, it was found ... in France. Some kind of "pot-bellied trifle". It is very reminiscent of the fog of war.

[Chack wessel]

I have no doubt that the Mossad, upon request, provides essentially classified information to anyone who wishes to receive it.
"Mossad" is the "Moskovsky Gardener" market?

[Tank destroyerSU-100]

On the other hand, almost 10 years of the Afghan war cost the USSR 15000 dead. Although, of course, the intensity of the fighting there was different, significantly lower.
If we compare the Americans with the Vietnam War, then from 1964 to 1973 there were 57000 killed. Our losses are approximately at the level of annual US losses in 1968-1969, when the Americans acted most intensively with their ground forces. It should be taken into account that the Viet Cong in those years was much worse equipped than the Wehrmacht.

[dump22]

"Leak" from Israeli intelligence - and straight to the Turkish press?
At the same time, meticulous Jews have already allegedly calculated the losses of both sides to the nearest unity?
Well, such minor mistakes in the numbers, such as the suddenly discovered presence of more than 6 thousand tanks in Ukraine! Where do they get so much? Who brought it and when?
At the beginning of the Northern Military District they had less than 1 thousand tanks, and there were 2 thousand in all warehouses.

Is this still being seriously discussed? It's not even funny.