American edition: Leopard 1 tanks will create additional problems for the Ukrainian army

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American edition: Leopard 1 tanks will create additional problems for the Ukrainian army

Berlin's decision to supply Ukraine Tanks Leopard of the first series will not help the Armed Forces of Ukraine to defeat the Russian army. Together with these tanks, Kyiv will get a lot of problems that are not easy to solve. Military Watch magazine writes about this.

The American publication interviewed military experts regarding the planned delivery of German Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine, a decision on which was made last Friday. All as one said that these obsolete machines will bring additional difficulties to Ukraine. In principle, the Germans already know this and even warned Kyiv that the ammunition for these tanks is not only bad, but very bad, they are not being produced. Of course, a certain amount of ammunition is still stored in the warehouses and arsenals of both Germany itself and some European countries, but this will not improve the situation. The West switched to 40 mm caliber 120 years ago.



In addition, the tanks themselves are already outdated and no one will upgrade them to modern standards as part of the planned repairs. Firstly, there is simply no time for this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine need tanks "yesterday". Secondly, this requires funds and large ones. So they will repair, tint and go ahead - "smash" the Russian troops.

The Leopard 1 main gun of the old rifled design not only has very limited performance compared to modern smoothbore guns, but can only use 105mm projectiles.

- writes the edition.

German tanks Leopard 1 entered service in 1965, did not participate in hostilities. According to the publication, back in those years, the tank proved to be mediocre, especially in comparison with the Soviet T-64, which forms the basis of the Ukrainian tank fleet. In general, the presence in the Armed Forces of Soviet-style tanks and Western ones, moreover, of different years, creates huge problems with logistics, their maintenance, etc., the publication sums up.
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    1. -3
      6 February 2023 08: 34
      Well, first the abrams will create logistical and economic problems, now the leopards. And there was noise.
      Victory turns ... victory turns .... into the most terrible evil!
      1. -2
        6 February 2023 08: 59
        Hmm, ammunition from 40 years ago is not just dangerous, but not predictable, we are waiting for sentimental stories about detonation in the barrel.
        1. +3
          6 February 2023 12: 04
          Quote from Silver99
          we are waiting for sentimental stories about detonation in the barrel.

          I don't think there will be many. Western-made explosives are still of very high quality and are not very prone to detonation and decomposition.
          But the fact that the appearance of a tank with a 105-mm cannon opens the "doors" to Ukraine for the numerous M-60s that are stored in the United States, as well as other Western tanks with this gun, is true. And the production of shells can be resumed, the main thing is to pay money, the same Czech Republic is ready, it did not greatly damage its industry for the production of artillery shells
        2. -1
          6 February 2023 17: 03
          Silver, maybe you don't have to wait for these "stories" on the front line, maybe it's time to respond with something specific to spitting on the "red lines"
      2. +9
        6 February 2023 09: 54
        Victory turns ... victory turns .... into the most terrible evil!

        You have amnesia. I will remind you. About art. the three ax systems (M-777) also wrote that they say NATO shells, logistics. Armored vehicles of different classes, the same thing about spare parts, logistical horror. How to repair them. But now the CBO is already a year old. Any supply of any weapons to Kyiv postpones our victory, takes extra lives and gives Ukrainians faith in victory.
        1. +1
          7 February 2023 16: 36
          I absolutely agree with the T-100. Ukrainians are well aware of the logistical hell that has befallen the entire NATO-supplied zoo, so much so that they have a joke that it's time to erect a monument to the "unknown logistician." But this does nothing for the Russian side. Moreover, trucks and all sorts of repair and transport vehicles are also attached to the entire zoo. The latter may be few, but they exist. This alleviates the logistical problems. Russia is also experiencing logistical hell. But it is associated with import substitution, for example, in the production of the same trucks. Some of the same KAMAZ trucks were with imported engines, some with imported electronics, some with other components and spare parts. Therefore, I would not bother much with the logistical problems of the Ukrainian side: the problems of servicing a variety of foreign equipment are nothing more than storage problems in the conditions that the West not only supplies equipment, but also constantly trains Ukrainians to service personnel on its territory. Russia, on the other hand, needs to quickly solve the problems of import substitution, and preferably not on TV or in the field of propaganda, but in the real sector of the economy. I think everyone has heard about the situation with the shortage of 15 specialists in the field of aircraft manufacturing from Patrushev. I am sure that it is the same in other areas, especially in the field of communications and intelligence. And this war is eating resources from Soviet warehouses at a frantic pace. "Victory cannot be made, but it can be known," said Sun Tzu. As if this phrase did not come true by chance. Russia now has a lot to do, which the diverse leadership did not want to know before the war. We are talking, for example, about the same drones, about precision-guided munitions, about new types of weapons, about import substitution. In the meantime, this war is more like an ancient tale about a hare and a tortoise. While the hare is giggling, the tortoise is moving towards the goal. And judging by Kherson and Kharkov, the turtle is able to achieve its goals in the most unexpected way for a hare. It is necessary to giggle less and run faster towards the goal, otherwise something bad for Russia did not work out.
    2. +3
      6 February 2023 08: 36
      American edition: Leopard 1 tanks will create additional problems for the Ukrainian army
      fool Any tanks, except Soviet ones, will create problems for the Ukrainian army. request
    3. -2
      6 February 2023 08: 38
      Oh, yay, have pity on the unfortunate inhabitants of Krai, it’s difficult to maintain free armored vehicles ... And no one is interested in how many Russian soldiers will die from this equipment ...
      1. 0
        6 February 2023 09: 04
        Quote: Vladimir80
        Oh, yay, have pity on the unfortunate inhabitants of Krai, it’s difficult to maintain free armored vehicles ... And no one is interested in how many Russian soldiers will die from this equipment ...


        What are you burying people ahead of time? Anything else can happen to tanks.
        1. AAC
          +3
          6 February 2023 09: 12
          Anything else can happen to tanks.

          For example? Have you learned how to derail trains?

          100% we will analyze from the footage of the chronicle who it was - the first, or the second, or the T-72
    4. +4
      6 February 2023 08: 38
      Together with these tanks, Kyiv will get a lot of problems that are not easy to solve.
      Decide, they will be together, that's the trouble ..
    5. 0
      6 February 2023 08: 42
      If they drag it to the LBS, then like a tank for one battle, it may well fit .....
    6. +1
      6 February 2023 08: 44
      Logistics for Ukrainians is a complete miss, a bunch of motley equipment, shells are all imported, and even different ones.
      1. 0
        7 February 2023 12: 55
        The Russian army also has a bunch of motley equipment and weapons: self-propelled guns with different calibers and on different chassis, MLRS with different calibers and different chassis, 3 types of tanks (and the Donbass militias also have a fourth type - T-64), etc. Also not ideal logistics ...
    7. -2
      6 February 2023 08: 46
      No kidding, mud ditches can be an option for anti-tank combat. A moat and two ditches in front and behind. And pump water.
    8. +1
      6 February 2023 08: 46
      Together with these tanks, Kyiv will get a lot of problems that are not easy to solve.
      Tanks and the problems associated with them are discussed not only by foreign media, but also by site visitors from the day the decision was made to supply them. So the author is right.
      refurbish, repaint and move on...
      And problems are for Kyiv a matter of tomorrow, so today they do not bother with this.
    9. +3
      6 February 2023 08: 46
      By the way, what about the shells? Just knowing the Germans, one can assume that the shells for Leoperd-1 are suitable only for Leoperd-1 and no other. suitable in caliber, you can’t shove it there ...
      I remember they had so much fun in WWII -
      We have the same ammunition for the towed / self-propelled / tank guns ZIS-3, ZIS-3Sh, F-34 and ZIS-5 (and even with the possibility of using "bobby" arr. 1927 cartridges). However, for some reason, the German 75-mm PAK.40 guns and tank and self-propelled guns close to it in terms of ballistics on Pz.IV and Stugs used incompatible shots. And even high-explosive fragmentation shells from this long-barreled zoo were not suitable for 75-mm light infantry guns.
      1. +1
        6 February 2023 09: 10
        Quote from Bingo
        By the way, what about the shells?


        The article clearly says:

        with ammunition for these tanks is not just bad, but very bad, they are not produced. Of course, a certain amount of ammunition is still stored in the warehouses and arsenals of both Germany itself and some European countries, but this will not improve the situation. The West switched to 40 mm caliber 120 years ago.
      2. +2
        6 February 2023 09: 31
        Caliber and brand of gun 105-mm L7A3

        The L7 project gun was so successful that it was armed not only with post-war tanks in the UK, but almost everywhere in the West. The L7 became a popular weapon and continued to be used even after being replaced by the 120mm L11 rifled tank gun on some Centurions acting as artillery forward observation. The L7 and its modifications are standard armament for many tanks developed during the Cold War.
    10. +1
      6 February 2023 08: 55
      Ukrainians wanted tanks, but they will get hemorrhoids, and an old one)))
    11. +2
      6 February 2023 09: 03
      New parts, new bypasses. Taking into account the existing zoo in Ukraine, this is an exacerbation of hemorrhoids.
    12. -3
      6 February 2023 09: 09
      Quote: Vladimir80
      And how many Russian soldiers will die from this technique is of no interest to anyone ...

      Yeah ..., no one ... that's so categorically. Let's say - I'm interested, and quite possibly not only me .... But alas - we don't know ..., we don't want to guess "on the coffee grounds". And you, judging by the tone taken, you know. Well share then with colleagues, do not be greedy. Most likely ... you don’t know either, you just wanted to be "identified" as the most worried about Russian soldiers ?! what
      1. +3
        6 February 2023 09: 23
        I just wanted to "identify" as the most worried about Russian soldiers

        yes, I wanted to!
        and the rest just throw their hats up and write "we will see", as if they do not understand that behind each "we will see" the lives of Russian people (and the best ones) ...
        ps after such sentiments on the "internets" - you begin to better understand the behavior of the gs and stripes ... they also sit in their offices with the thought "we'll see."
        1. 0
          8 February 2023 01: 24
          What are the options for solving the problem? The entire Russian army to surrender?
    13. -3
      6 February 2023 09: 21
      American edition: Leopard 1 tanks will create additional problems for the Ukrainian army
      . And it's not obvious and it's not clear ...
      The question ... how, when and what will happen, departs for later, and just this, it is quite logical and understandable.
    14. AAC
      +3
      6 February 2023 09: 33
      For the German industry, such nonsense to establish the production of shells. And such crap about problems for the Ukrainian army. It will be a problem for Ukrainian soldiers. The tank was given, but there were no shells. What to do? Go on the attack. Well, let's burn them, then others will send (gift) them. Everything fits into the concept "to the last Ukrainian". The Germans save on disposal, free warehouses from unnecessary ammunition. And a problem for us. Do not throw a cap on the tank. At the same time, one 9M113 missile costs 10000 USD (data from Ukrainian sources, we did not find ours). And still need to get in. I wouldn't be so happy. It's like buying an old BMW with warranty service. The car is good, but you need to constantly repair, and the guarantee decides everything. So what, that in a month three weeks for repairs. For something when not under repair ...
      1. -3
        6 February 2023 16: 50
        Quote: AAC
        For the German industry, such nonsense to establish the production of shells.

        To build from scratch a special line with a conveyor - for categorically outdated ammunition for a rifled gun ??? Are you serious?
        Yes, technically, it may not be difficult. But money, time and effort - the Germans already have something to spend. And they will not be spent on the production of vintage ammunition and will not be exchanged. They just won't.
      2. 0
        8 February 2023 01: 29
        I believe that you have not worked in industry and have no idea about large-scale and mass production. So, it is based on specialized equipment, which no one is going to store when a product is discontinued, and it is two orders of magnitude more difficult to renew it than products that are manufactured with its help.
    15. -6
      6 February 2023 09: 36
      It's not even about the guns. he has side armor - bulletproof, according to some reports, it does not even hold 14.5. A similar situation is on the side of the tower and behind. So this is serious stuff!!
    16. +2
      6 February 2023 10: 21
      > ammunition for these tanks is not just bad,
      > but very bad, they are not produced
      And what's the point in a LARGE number of ammunition - for only 88 Leopard 1 tanks, so the problem in the article is far-fetched.
      It would be good, of course, if they loaded all these shells into 1 wagon (since there are few of them), which they then knocked out.
    17. +3
      6 February 2023 10: 39
      German tanks with crosses blazing from the Ukrainian steppes. From the point of view of propaganda, there will be a powerful step.
    18. +2
      6 February 2023 14: 51
      Problems with shots, kmk, are not so great. The L7 has been the standard tank gun of the West for many years, it seems that there is enough ammunition for it, however, at the pressures at which the gun fires, the problem of long-term storage can become much more serious than it seems. In any case, it is not worth drawing direct analogies with ammunition for howitzer artillery.
      The senselessness of Leo1 is different. It is practically unarmored, even by WWII standards. 60-70 mm in the frontal projection is nothing. At all.
    19. -1
      6 February 2023 15: 54
      In terms of booking, it is worse than our T-55s. Forehead 80 mm, tower 50 mm. A coffin on wheels, and you can even find horseradish shells for it. But a tank!
    20. -1
      6 February 2023 16: 45
      You just don’t tell the chubaks that these first leopolds are worse than sixty-fours ... they can break the pattern. For them, all Western weapons, even aging junk destined for a landfill, are the best equipment for their retinue!
    21. +2
      6 February 2023 18: 58
      Yes uuuzhzh.
      And who invented it that the problem is with shells ????
      105mm shells for the L-7 gun and its derivatives are full all over the world.
    22. +1
      7 February 2023 08: 05
      I think that the fighting qualities of the crew, thoughtful actions of the command, inter-service coordination, reconnaissance, and support are of decisive importance. .
      Any weapon used wisely, taking into account local conditions, in conjunction with other types of weapons is effective. On the contrary, even the most sophisticated and high-quality weapons, in the hands of an untrained, indecisive and unstable crew, multiplied by mediocrity and indecision of command, poor coordination of types of troops, is a guarantee of defeat. Maybe I'm wrong?
    23. 0
      7 February 2023 12: 10
      They will create problems not only for Ukraine but also for us.
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      1. 0
        7 February 2023 18: 19
        so-called. a "peaceful solution" is just a postponement of what is for a longer period ...
        1. 0
          7 February 2023 19: 13
          I will add, "under perhaps worse conditions."

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