Western edition: Abrams tanks are less suitable for the APU than the German Leopard

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Western edition: Abrams tanks are less suitable for the APU than the German Leopard

Western media, citing experts at various levels, continue to publish various materials reflecting on tanks Abrams, which were promised to Ukraine by the Biden administration. Recall that initially the United States was not going (as they said in Washington) to supply its tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but then promises had to be made in order to "push Berlin to a similar decision." Later, however, in the United States they denied that the tanks were promised precisely for this purpose. But the fact remains: the German "Leopards" promise to deliver in a few weeks, and the American "Abrams" - in the best case for Ukraine - by the fall.

The Financial Times is trying either to figure out the delay in the delivery of Abrams tanks to Kyiv, or to justify this delay. It comes with an article stating the following:



The Abrams tanks will be delivered later, as they are less suitable for the Armed Forces than the German Leopards.

The article says that "it's all about" the 1500-horsepower Honeywell AGT gas turbine engine. The publication cites a statement by senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations Steve Biddle, who speaks of high fuel consumption.

Biddle:

That's a high price to pay for great acceleration. But this is also a longer crew training. And the need for additional measures to maintain the combat capability of the tank.

The publication writes that a large number of consumables are needed, and all their supply chains are accumulated in the United States.

From the material:

The Ukrainian army just needs a working weapon, just technique. The American procurement system, against the backdrop of the complexity of maintaining the Abrams tanks, overly complicates everything in this regard.

Additionally, with reference to experts, it is said that teaching the Ukrainian military how to operate and maintain Abrams tanks is not a problem, but the problem is how much time will have to be spent on this.
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    1. +1
      5 February 2023 21: 13
      In general, now, after Scholz was fooled about "leopards", you can fool the Sumerians and pull rubber without investing in a failed enterprise.
      1. +4
        5 February 2023 21: 18
        Yes! Exactly! "Sausage" thrown! There will be no "Abrams"! "Teaching a monkey to drive a car is not a problem, but the problem is how to do it ?! "))) wassat
        1. -2
          6 February 2023 09: 46
          Quote: Novichek)
          Teaching a monkey to drive a car is not a problem, but the problem is how to do it ?! ")))

          That's what I look, 72s, 64s, 80s and other tractors .... some monkeys drive.
          How did you get this stupid Hurray !!! patriotism.
      2. +4
        5 February 2023 21: 21
        Why donate a product when you can sell it. The Yankees are looking for a buyer who will then supply the tanks to Ukraine.
        1. +2
          5 February 2023 21: 33
          Why donate a product when you can sell it?

          in Ukraine, the states will take everything they want for free. They want to once again bend Europe by supplying them with their weapons
        2. +7
          5 February 2023 21: 45
          The whole point is to remove competition from the Abrams. If the Abrash get to the outskirts, then consider anti-advertising is provided. They will burn worse than leopards!
      3. +1
        5 February 2023 21: 59
        Quote: voice of reason
        pull rubber without investing in a failed venture.

        well, they will pull on anyone, they even came up with an excuse - "it is necessary to prepare the tanks, then deliver them from the USA" despite the fact that there are "Abrashi" in Europe - they remained after the "Iron Sword" exercises in the Baltic states and "Bear-22" in Poland, plus the 2nd brigade combat group of the 1st cavalry division was transferred there with all the means of reinforcement.
    2. +2
      5 February 2023 21: 21
      Western edition: Abrams tanks are less suitable for the APU than the German Leopard
      . The best tanks ... yes, those that the winner has !!!
      1. +2
        5 February 2023 22: 41
        Quote: rocket757
        Western edition: Abrams tanks are less suitable for the APU than the German Leopard
        . The best tanks ... yes, those that the winner has !!!

        The Americans have a different opinion.
        As they tell their potential buyers, the best tanks ("Abrams", of course, are meant) are those that do not burn on the battlefield.
        And so that they are not burned on the battlefield, they do not need to be allowed there. They made a mistake in the Middle East that there are no refractory tanks in principle, so they will do everything to prevent their "Abrams" from getting to Ukraine. So that no one sees that they burn no worse than the same "Leopards" or some other.

        To whom is war, and to America is marketing ...
        1. AAC
          +1
          6 February 2023 08: 05
          What kind of marketing is this when the leopard is on fire, the T-90m is cool, but the abrams didn’t make it? Is it like the gentlemen in poker, the cards are not shown at the showdown, because everyone trusts each other? The Americans took it and said: yes, our tank is better than all the other tanks. And all the buyers: well, we didn’t even doubt it. Technically, how to convince the buyer that he needs a tank that could not be brought to the place of hostilities? To refer: but we didn’t want to, we thought to scare Putin and that’s it. Will not work. If everything goes according to the expected scenario, then the demand for the T-90 will be enormous. And if the t-14 shows itself ....

          The statements of European aiders are very amusing. They need a year to bring leopards into a more or less necessary form. And for all, the number of tanks under repair is simply colossal. It turns out that only Soviet equipment was able to withstand the "Russian threat", and now the Ukrainians will exhaust it to the end. And you can drive on the autobahns to London and Paris without encountering resistance?
          1. 0
            7 February 2023 04: 41
            Quote: AAC
            The statements of European aiders are very amusing. They need a year to bring leopards into a more or less necessary form.

            It gets interesting...
            And if tomorrow Russian tanks are in Paris? And if tomorrow is a war, and if tomorrow is a campaign? What are you going to fight?
            Especially when you consider that it was THEY who gathered to meet us in Europe, and not we gathered there.
            At least for now.
    3. +3
      5 February 2023 21: 28
      Mattresses Europe is drained to the fullest, but as long as their puppets are at the head of their governments, nothing will change. I personally do not feel sorry for either one or the other. They are enemies, were, are and will be!
      1. 0
        6 February 2023 02: 21
        Quote: Alien From
        They are enemies, were, are and will be!

        From k-f: "Such a friend like you, was not, no, and it is not necessary"! winked
    4. 0
      5 February 2023 21: 30
      a large amount of consumables is needed, and all their supply chains are accumulated in the USA

      How are the Americans going to fight North Korea, for example? or somewhere else? Why were Ukrainians not warned about the problems of chains before the attack on Donbass?
      1. 0
        5 February 2023 22: 03
        ... how did the Americans get ready to fight North Korea, for example? ...

        With the hands of South Korea, they were going to fight, well, with their aircraft from aircraft carriers. There will be no tanks to drag, mattresses, there will be enough South Koreans there.
    5. +2
      5 February 2023 21: 44
      It is interesting that such excuses were not sculpted for Poland, but they were sold as much as they wanted, logistics chains also quickly turned out and the crews seemed to have studied for more than 5 years.
      1. +2
        5 February 2023 21: 57
        Quote: Murmur 55
        It is interesting that such excuses were not sculpted for Poland, but they were sold as much as they wanted, logistics chains also quickly turned out and the crews seemed to have studied for more than 5 years.


        Probably because Poland does not fight on its Abrams and, therefore, photos and videos of burning Polish Abrams will not appear on the network, but if they are delivered to Ukraine, they will appear. Does the Americans need it? Better Leopards burn all over the world.
    6. +6
      5 February 2023 21: 58
      Off topic, but I can’t resist: Wagner recognized the power of the USA, Canada, Great Britain as illegitimate.
      1. +2
        5 February 2023 22: 48
        Quote from Pharmacist
        Off topic, but I can’t resist: Wagner recognized the power of the USA, Canada, Great Britain as illegitimate.

        good
        Yesterday they were waiting for Prigozhin's response to the recognition of Wagner as a terrorist organization.
        The answer, it must be said, was a success.

        Of course, Great Britain, America and Canada are neither hot nor cold from the decision of the council of Wagner commanders. So "Wagner" did not sob with the whole composition from some stupid decisions of the Anglo-Saxons.
        The difference is that arrogant Saxons with smart faces are serious. And Prigogine, seeing their stupidity, trolls them from the heart.
        1. -2
          6 February 2023 09: 56
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Of course, Great Britain, America and Canada are neither hot nor cold from the decision of the council of Wagner commanders. So "Wagner" did not sob with the whole composition from some stupid decisions of the Anglo-Saxons.
          The difference is that arrogant Saxons with smart faces are serious. And Prigogine, seeing their stupidity, trolls them from the heart.

          And trolling in Africa? And in Southeast Asia trolling ??
          It used to be considered better to negotiate with Prigozhin, the quality was above average at a reasonable price, and now ..... in order to fulfill obligations to those who trusted him, he must remove all his "property" from Ukraine and answer for words.
          If he does not fulfill, then he will answer to his guarantor. Or do you think that fossils are now handed out for a snuff of shag?
    7. +3
      5 February 2023 21: 59
      Ho-ho-licks have a crush-turn to sign up for training in the crews of the Leopards and Abrams.
      All these quick-witteds have already outlined what they will spend those 12 million rubles for, for which they will push these tanks to Prigozhin.
    8. +2
      5 February 2023 22: 03
      The further the worse excuses laughing then one thing is not of that system, then the natives cannot cope laughing what kind of prodigy is this that only people of the golden billion can manage? And the question is this child prodigy can fight at all?
    9. +1
      5 February 2023 22: 23
      The liverwurst was slipped a "stupid cardboard" and now, under a plausible pretext, it is necessary to dump it. The most "free" media were used for cover.
    10. +3
      5 February 2023 22: 27
      Abrams are designed for the American army, which plus or minus a couple of billion dollars a month is not a problem. The Ukrainians don't have the money to service them, and the Americans don't seem to want to make an endless stream of gifts.

      The Germans are another matter, they are ready to give their last pants in order to please the Americans.
    11. 0
      5 February 2023 22: 52
      Abrams tanks are less suitable for the APU than the German Leopard

      There is no opening in this. The Germans, unlike the Americans, made tanks for conscripts, of course, that they are easier and faster to master, this was initially clear to everyone.
    12. -1
      5 February 2023 22: 57
      If our guys can effectively destroy the leopards, then Scholz will look very pale. The shame of leopards can affect the outcome of the war.
      1. -4
        6 February 2023 10: 09
        Quote: Geniy ​​Yev
        The shame of leopards can affect the outcome of the war.

        Did the "shame" of the III Merkava somehow specifically affect the results of Israeli companies? He said - by the adoption of the VI merkava. What are you waiting for? For 5 years outside the T14 test site, you weren’t able to deliver Javilin? Keyboard Archimedes are geniuses.
    13. 0
      5 February 2023 23: 00
      The Americans want to say - the Germans bare your ass, sorry, empty your warehouses, you will be to blame anyway. And about the fact that the Americans supplied MLRS, guns .... they will quickly forget and will convince us with a clean eye that Europe is to blame for everything.
    14. -1
      5 February 2023 23: 07
      Any tank without Kaz like a trophy is a pile of scrap metal. The Americans understood this and purchased from for several buildings. And the tanks that will be in Ukraine are without active protection and will burn just like the t-72 and t-80 and t-90
    15. 0
      5 February 2023 23: 30
      Berk Scholz, nicknamed Dull Liver Sausage, screwed up again, but that's not the point.
      In principle, he could now turn on the same back "In view of the new circumstances that have opened up", but the blood and genes of his ancestor will not allow him to do this.
    16. +1
      6 February 2023 00: 10
      "Lepard-2" is an excellent tank. Height 2790mm. It will be visible from afar. Our T-72 has a height of 2190mm.
    17. 0
      6 February 2023 00: 35
      The US wants to shift the entire burden of the war onto the shoulders of the EU, and for this it is necessary to involve it as deeply as possible, and while we are busy with the EU, they will free up resources to fight China. Initially, it was not planned to deliver the Abrams, the Americans, as always, are strong in pairs and again the EU bent
    18. 0
      6 February 2023 01: 43
      The Ukrainian army just needs a working weapon, just equipment. The American procurement system, against the backdrop of the complexity of maintaining the Abrams tanks, overly complicates everything in this regard.

      mass and to slaughter ....
    19. 0
      6 February 2023 01: 43
      Quote: garik77
      "Lepard-2" is an excellent tank. Height 2790mm. It will be visible from afar. Our T-72 has a height of 2190mm.

      great target...
    20. 0
      6 February 2023 05: 34
      The article says that "it's all about" the 1500-horsepower Honeywell AGT gas turbine engine. The publication cites a statement by senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations Steve Biddle, who speaks of high fuel consumption.
      The crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fully exploited the T-80BV, and even now they operate the captured T-80U, UE and BVM, with gas turbine engines, and I don’t understand what the problem is now. Well, yes, they have different controls, with a gas sector like a "motorcycle", but everything is decided by training
      1. +1
        6 February 2023 15: 18
        Quote: svp67
        The crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fully exploited the T-80BV, and even now they operate the captured T-80U, UE and BVM, with gas turbine engines, and I don’t understand what the problem is now. Well, yes, they have different controls, with a gas sector like a "motorcycle", but everything is decided by training

        It's not just the little things.
        GTE Abram multi-fuel. On models dvigla AGT 150 tiger from 2009. 1000 hours of run are not rare (they write up to 1700 hours without replacement, I don’t believe much, but they write) and this is with the possibility of a “garage” repair and an increase in the period by at least half.
        The German with his MTU eats only a mixture of 50-60% solarium and some 40% "secret" additives to it. Sense from such a smaller expense.
    21. 0
      6 February 2023 05: 46
      Ukraine had several thousand units of various armored vehicles, of which about 3 thousand tanks

      And where are all these tanks now
    22. 0
      6 February 2023 07: 23
      I wonder if the Hermes anti-tank systems have already been delivered to the troops? We have been developing for almost thirty years, it would be time already!
    23. 0
      6 February 2023 12: 51
      And I have an opinion. The West supplies weapons in such a way that we occupy the left bank of the Dnieper. And the delivered equipment remained on the right bank. They force the ukrov to lose territory and sign a truce. And they are preparing the next Ukraine for us.
    24. 0
      6 February 2023 13: 35
      It looks like the Yankees once again threw the Fritz ...
      Time to get used to it!

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