American edition: Russia launches new drone that outperforms Iranian drones Shahed

Russia will put into production a new drone, much faster than the currently used "Iranian" Drones Shahed, which received the name "Geran" in the Russian army. The new plant will be opened in Tatarstan. It is reported by The Wall Street Journal.

The American publication claims that Russia is launching a new production of drones, which will be assembled at a plant in Yelabuga. Iran will allegedly play a big role in the opening of the plant, and it will produce, as you might guess, "Iranian" drones. The $XNUMX billion deal was signed by Moscow and Tehran at the end of November last year.

According to the newspaper, Iran is moving its production of drones to Russia in order to protect itself from possible sanctions that Western countries may impose for the supply of weapons Russian army.

Earlier in Kyiv, it was repeatedly stated that Russia allegedly uses Iranian Shahed-136 and Shahed-131 drones, which received the Russian names "Geran-2" and "Geran-1". It was stated that Moscow allegedly purchased 2,4 drones from Tehran to strike at Ukraine. Later, Ukrainian experts who examined the wreckage of downed and triggered drones found that it was impossible to determine the place of production by the filling. And CNN reporters said that of the 52 Shahed-136 parts, 40 were made in the United States, while the rest of the components were made in Canada, Switzerland, Japan, Taiwan and China. They even found Russian relays and board mounts.

The Shahed-136 drone is quite simple to manufacture, and its electronic filling is very good, clearly designed for improvement in the future, as they say, the drone is made with a perspective. It is not ruled out that while the Geran drone attacking alone, it will be able to attack in a swarm in the near future.

Comments

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Maybe we are talking about the Arash-2 drone.

[husband]

In the face of an acute shortage of UAVs with a control range of more than 50 km, any such aircraft will be of great help. And if it’s also with optics and a thermal imager, then it’s generally fine. There would be a real means for hunting Hymars. If it’s just a mini-cruise missile or a propeller-driven aircraft like Geran, which hits only stationary targets, then the only thing they can do is overload the air defense and, as a result, load the factories of the Western military-industrial complex.

[antiquity]

If in 2023 a person sees “CHIPSO” in everything, it’s time for him to go out into the air, go fishing without access to the Internet, for at least a week.
Or see a doctor.

[Comrade I]

Quote from starina

If in 2023 a person sees “CHIPSO” in everything, it’s time for him to go out into the air, go fishing without access to the Internet, for at least a week.
Or see a doctor.

Better immediately in the trenches of the NWO. So to speak, to fight the source of infection.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

The sources of infection are not at the front on the front line, but in warm and cozy offices

[Muromczev-2015]

"... If in 2023 ..." As if until 2023 "CIPSO" was widely known to someone :). This ukroinstitute of propaganda has become known only now ...

[low war]

Old man! And I smoke regularly in the air, and sometimes I bring a catch from fishing, I followed the advice and medicines of doctors after all the tests ... But you have to be completely ignorant so as not to see that your comments differ little from the comments in 2001 on Lenta. (c) ru and from the very beginning on Echo M-tsy. And the use of the term "Chipso" was invented by a man of genius! You can't accuse him of being anti-Semitic and of encroaching on tolerance!

[Toucan]

Quote from starina

If in 2023 a person sees “CHIPSO” in everything, it’s time for him to go out into the air, go fishing without access to the Internet, for at least a week.
Or see a doctor.

This character does not write from Russia and is in fact a provocateur.

[Leonid67]

You will first attract the entire late Soviet nomenklatura, which brought the country to collapse and a single industrial complex turned out to be torn apart in different republics, which is now causing incredible problems. And do not scare a person for pointing out the path already traveled, which the current government continues. First we need to think about the Russians and how we can survive and become smarter and richer than everyone else, the only way we can get respect and become truly independent. And we will again feed the republics so they won’t remember us good for a long time as soon as the Baltic states become Russophobes, but how much did the USSR do for them? And how much did the Russians lose in ordinary Voronezh in order to make a "showcase" out of ungrateful limitrophes

[low war]

And then you don’t know the names of five bankers in the Russian Federation? "Sword and plowshare" flooded! Grandpa Lenin warned about Great Russian chauvinism (didn't you read it? Yes?). Yes, this is a brilliant approach with assimilation and, first of all, cultural enrichment of each other! They are ours and our neighbors! And the foam will pass! And the United States is far away ... But for example, "Greek"? the god Dionysus came from Georgia, which is recognized as the ancestor of cognac! So let's drink to Russian weapons and the secrets of Georgian Bulat!

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

So this is nationalism, when they call only for Russians to increase the standard of living, this will be of help to other nationalists of the republics in their agitations ... Everyone in the country needs to increase the standard of living, regardless of nationality

[Leonid67]

Yes, yes, and yes again! The British cut and enslaved a bunch of people, who remembers it now? Nobody! And who travels and admires the cultural heritage? Yes, all including our oligarchs! What does this mean for us, taking into account the experience of the collapse of the union, when there was not a single republic that would thank Russia for the common past. And that means that we need to spit on all peoples and nationalities. It is necessary that first the Russians give birth to 5 children, and in order to have enough money, the Russian husband must earn money so that there is still enough for everything. And when the Russians make up the absolute majority, educated, smart, then you can talk for some kind of republics that by that time will already be kissing the Russians, if only they got something. In a different situation, the Russians will become one of the small nationalities on an equal footing with some kind of Kalmyks. The leading leading force in the country will disappear and further collapse will already be final when the Russians no longer have enough strength to keep the country, and the republics will run to China, some to Turkey, etc.

[Yuri747]

Yes, he speaks correctly. I have colleagues from Kazan. We work at a state-owned enterprise .. Tsipso is resting if so. So don't argue...

[Vyacheslav57]

But why, why make the same mistakes, why?????
Why EXACTLY in Tatarstan? Was there no other place in native Russia?

You listen, a native Russian, you would be banned for good. You are either a youngster or an enemy of Russia. Ask at least what Tatarstan lives and what role it plays in the Russian defense industry. Do you think TU 160 is being produced in the villages of Kukuyevo, and the boats "Buyans" with cruise missiles are in the garage cooperative. And petrochemistry and KamAZ vehicles. This is the most developed region of Russia! Such energy-intensive enterprises are created in the region where there is electricity, oil and gas in sufficient quantities. By the way, the Presidential "Aurus" is being assembled in Yelabuga.

[Sergey Drozdov]

It would be necessary, comrade, to assign the title of "foreign agent" to Wikipedia, here is what the scoundrels write (the most recent about Tatarstan): In 2005, the increase in the Tatar population compared to 2004 was 29,4%. For 21 years (the intercensal period from 1989 to 2010), the number of Tatars in the Republic of Tatarstan increased by 247 people, while the number of Russians, on the contrary, decreased by 167 people, the number of Azerbaijanis and Armenians increased almost 73 times, the number of Uzbeks almost 992 times times, and Tajiks almost 3 times.

[Serg65]

Quote: Sergey Drozdov

and the number of Russians, on the contrary, decreased by 73 people

Conclusion ... it is necessary to take away condoms and birth control pills from the Russians!

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

So the citizen is indignant that the imbalance in the development of regions

[D16]

The presidential "Aurus" is assembled just in Yelabuga.

This is the merit of the useless management of Ford Sollers. "Aurus" is produced at their facilities. In general, there is OZP Alabuga. Where the authorities offer the best conditions, production is located there. Administrative resource rules .

[storm]

Administrative resource rules

The fact of the matter is that Aurus is an economically failed project that exists only because of administrative support and billions in injections from the budget.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: lucul

Why EXACTLY in Tatarstan? Why does Russia, everything high-tech and modern, open EXACTLY in small republics, huh? Did the experience of the USSR teach nothing?

The experience of the USSR has taught us that small republics must be linked by long-term, reliable, economically beneficial cooperation for them. Creation of high-tech and highly paid industries. Then there will be no Maidans from hopelessness.

[ProkletyiPirat]

1) Polish shipyards prevented Poland from leaving the Eastern bloc?
2) ports and electronics factories in the Baltics prevented the exit?
so the plants themselves are not a panacea!
as for Tatarstan, it is tritely located at the intersection of our rivers (EGTS of the Russian Federation) where there are a lot of hydroelectric power stations, there are railway lines in the direction of the Urals.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

1) Polish shipyards prevented Poland from leaving the Eastern bloc?
2) ports and electronics factories in the Baltics prevented the exit?
so the plants themselves are not a panacea!

The initiative came from Gorbachev's Allied Center.
A direct push / go-ahead was given by the dissolution of the Department of Internal Affairs and the killing of the CMEA through the ban on the use of the CMEA transferable ruble in calculations.
These were targeted actions that led to disintegration.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

The experience of the USSR has taught us that small republics must be linked by long-term, reliable, economically beneficial cooperation for them. Creation of high-tech and highly paid industries. Then there will be no Maidans from hopelessness.

Maybe it's the other way around? They will imagine themselves feeding the whole of Russia, they will start squealing, we will feed the Russians, but they all go to ... mother .. They will start screeching for neutrality, and then the Maidan, money and ideas will be thrown by the charming gentlemen from omeriga ... We must try to develop all regions of Russia, to raise the standard of living everywhere. So Russia entered Sevastopol in 2014 .. So what ..? Huge amounts of money are allocated, colossal work is being done to restore the city's infrastructure ... and all this is by proxy .. by the hands of gasters. .. Roads, etc. And no jobs have been created for Sevastopol residents. Not a single large production has been reanimated, Neither ship repair, nor shipbuilding, nor instrumentation, nor fishing, nor ship transportation .. Everything that worked perfectly and made Sevastopol, Sevastopol. Hera chat glampings, campsites, houses by the sea for commerce .. They forgot that this is a naval base ..packing up agricultural land for development, building commercial housing. And all this is the hands of gasters .. Where is the mind? Where is the wisdom of city leadership. ? Stupidity and greed.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: 30 vis

Where is the mind? Where is the wisdom of city leadership. ? Stupidity and greed

All of the above is bullshit capitalism planted in Russia for 3 decades.
Juveniles do not know this word/term.
The tops do not use - not in their interests.

[man]

Where is the mind? Where is the wisdom of city leadership. ? Stupidity and greed.
Well you are a comedian And in what Russian city do wise and at the same time disinterested leaders live???
Can you give a couple of examples? Okay, at least one!

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Capitalism inevitably leads to nationalism, I don’t remember that such topics would arise at the peak of the USSR

[yho]

Capitalism leads to imperialism.

[Reklastik]

And you, comrade, are an eminent theoretician... Did the experience of creating microelectronics factories in the Baltic states prevent its secession from the USSR? Well, well ... Tatarstan is only different because it is inside Russia. But even there, during the Yeltsin era, there were separatist sentiments. It is suspicious that at that time their KAMAZ burned down... And the republic had no money to restore it...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Reklastik

Tatarstan is only different because it is inside Russia. But even there, during the Yeltsin era, there were separatist sentiments.

I hope you remember Yeltsin's message: "take as much power as you can digest!"

[paul3390]

opens EXACTLY in small republics

Tatarstan, unlike the former Soviet Socialist Republics, has nowhere to run in any case, even if a desire suddenly appears - RUSSIA is all around it! What's the point of separating?

[sergei.7656]

For this we must say thanks to Stalin, who created the Kuvandyk Isthmus for this.

[Stepan S]

And then in case of his rebellion,

You are there in your Ukraine, stop measuring everyone with one arshin.

[arnulla]

Thick, too thick combed) Learn to pour gracefully, more believable. God, how stupid are you)))

[Serge I.]

You are absolutely right! It's a pity, but we are again following the path of the USSR, in everything.

[Kotobor Lys]

Damn, look at the map. Where Tatarstan will fall apart around it entirely Russia)) and a screech about import substitution betrays a little familiarity with the subject. Tu-160 has been assembled in Tatarstan since the times of the USSR

[yho]

The Tatars did not allow their production to be completely destroyed, as in other regions.

[Puzoter]

The Tatar people did not allow, tell me more. Despite the evil and corrupt central government. Solzhenitsyn has covered this topic well.

[yho]

For the Tatar people, the word Motherland is not an empty phrase. The Tatars have invested and are investing in production, in business within their country, and did not buy an English football club.

[Puzoter]

What kind of hints, and for whom is the Motherland an empty phrase? Or maybe the Russian or Bashkir people bought a football club for themselves? Rather, Chukchi then - show them that they do not love their homeland. The whole country invests in the production of Tatarstan due to its geography, geology and not only, but you attribute everything to yourself for some reason. It smacks of some kind of "Great Tatar" chauvinism even from your words.

[lucul]

In the context of an acute shortage of UAVs

It is not a problem to produce an UAV body from composites in Russia - the problem is in the motors, or rather in their absence. If there are motors, there will be a wide range of UAVs.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: lucul

In the context of an acute shortage of UAVs

It is not a problem to produce an UAV body from composites in Russia - the problem is in the motors, or rather in their absence. If there are motors, there will be a wide range of UAVs.

After all, there is an APD-45 with a power of 50 hp, that is, a piston analogue of the engine as on the Shahid-136.

[lucul]

After all, there is an APD-45 with a power of 50 hp

The engine of the same concept, but with 100-150 hp, will expand the capabilities of the UAV by an order of magnitude. There would be plenty to choose from (motors)

[Orange Bigg]

Well then, the engine is from the Orion-RU strike UAV. There, in my opinion, 120 hp APD-115T.

Aircraft piston engine APD-115T for UAV "Orion" / Mil.Press Military, Valery Butymov

[PavelT]

And how many of these Orions were released in 2022? How many people work in the sky of Ukraine? Not a single news about them, neither in our media, nor in foreign media.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: PavelT

And how many of these Orions were released in 2022? How many people work in the sky of Ukraine? Not a single news about them, neither in our media, nor in foreign media.

You do not own the information. Video at the link below.

The first video in several months of the operation of the Russian Inokhodets (Orion) drone during the Ukrainian special operation appeared on social networks. A Russian-made UAV destroyed a tank and an infantry fighting vehicle of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction with missiles from the Kornet ATGM.

https://topcor.ru/28729-rossija-vpervye-za-dolgoe-vremja-primenila-udarnye-bpla-inohodec-protiv-vsu.html

[Sabzero]

Isn't it funny yourself? Attach a photo, but they themselves did not even bother to study it. Enlarge the photo and forgive the inscription on the green caps. Oh God. Rotax is written there.

[Rusfaner]

Rotax it! Don't fool us!
The Austrians will not sell it even through the Turks.

[Sabzero]

And who releases it? This APD-45? And most importantly, under what UAV?

[sgrabik]

50 hp engine this is not serious. Need from 100 hp up to 150 hp not less.

[yho]

Why is the motor a problem? If we don’t know how to make motors, then maybe it’s worth ordering them at the Minsk Motorcycle Plant?

[m_silenus]

The Shahed has a very simple engine - 4 cylinders, two-stroke.

[yho]

In Russia, the problem is everywhere. “We can’t even produce nails ourselves.”

[paul3390]

any such aircraft will be a huge help. And if it’s also with optics and a thermal imager, then it’s generally fine

I will say more - it will come in handy even without optics and a thermal imager. And even without a warhead. With one glider and motor. After all, the Tsagabontsy don’t know what exactly is flying? This means that they will be forced to react to any rattling .. Wasting missiles and revealing their positions .. And the cost of such a moped without anything is mere pennies.

[Orange Bigg]

I don’t know if the information can be trusted, but there are rumors that.

In addition, they launched the production of these aircraft already in Russia itself. It is known that they began to be assembled at once at three factories that produce at least 1000 models monthly.

Additional changes include:

Thanks to the GLONASS guidance module, better flight parameters were achieved and accuracy was further improved.
The use of composite materials in the casing of the hull and additional thermal insulation made it possible to increase the invisibility of the UAV.
The warhead of the drones "gained weight" and increased from 40-50 kg to 60-70 kg.
Increased maximum and minimum flight altitude. This allows you to more effectively maneuver and bypass missile defense systems. This reduces fuel consumption when flying at altitude.
Increasing the sound insulation, replacing the engine and the propeller with a plastic one, made it possible not only to increase the secrecy of the former "moped", but also to improve its speed indicators.
The cost of Iranian drones was estimated at $800, but now it is closer to $1000.

https://dzen.ru/a/Y9jd084ZVyijtKIc

We need our own analogue of Starlink. We need a Russian Starlink.

He noted that the Bandera people had developed this technology a long time ago, and now they control drones from the deep rear through repeaters.
“Ukrainian drone operators do not sit on the front end. He controls a kamikaze through Starlink, which can be on any sector of the front. He can work out 200 of these kamikazes a day, he is simply switched between points. He was told - fly, attack the BMP, and attack. Worked, it is generally switched to another front. And they have already implemented it. But we won’t be able to organize it like that, because we don’t have Starlink,” Tovkach added.
The expert stressed that such technology has long existed in the US Army, only for heavy drones. And the Ukrainians adapted it to local conditions.
“It was all published, it was known to everyone except Comrade General. The comrade general was not reported. I am inclined to believe that the Ukrainians themselves created this system, and now it operates on all fronts. And we still have not taken out the transmitter from the remote control. We have an operator sitting next to the transmitter. And if the transmitter is bearing, then the operator. And then everything that is there flies there, ”he concluded.

https://www.politnavigator.net/razrabotchik-dronov-rasskazal-chego-ne-khvataet-vs-rf.html

And you need your own analogue of the Harop UAV.

The appearance of the Lancet UAV brought significant changes to the line of contact - such shots of the neutralization of Ukrainian armored vehicles and artillery by this kamikaze drone appear more and more often, military commander Herman Kulikovsky writes in his telegram channel Older Edda. At the same time, the capabilities of the Lancet not always enough, he says. Even the third version of the drone, having a flight time margin of up to an hour and a warhead weight of 5 kg, does not guarantee the destruction of the target when it hits, especially if the target is armored or if it is a dispersed enemy infantry platoon. Here we need a kamikaze drone similar to the Israeli Harop (IAI Harop), with a flight duration of three hours, a warhead weight of 15-20 kg and a replaceable reconnaissance equipment unit with a data exchange bus.
Geranium has similar flight characteristics, but this drone does not have a camera that could provide guidance on point targets without previously known coordinates.

https://aviation21.ru/eshhyo-raz-pro-lancet-geran-i-pistolet-makarova/

[lucul]

We need our own analogue of Starlink. We need a Russian Starlink.

For Starlink to have its own semiconductor base, but we don’t have it. Stupid Kudrin stupidly stockpiled money in the West, instead of putting it into his own production.
Accountant as he is. Do you know how an accountant differs from a deputy director for economics? The Deputy Director's task is to invest money in the development of production (his investments), and the accountant's task is to stupidly save money - not to let him spend it on anything, period .. Here Kudrin is stupidly an accountant. When accountants start to steer at a plant, this plant is doomed.

[MstislavHrabr]

Or maybe not stupid, and not stupid ... He creatively completed the task ...

[paul3390]

For Starlink to have its own semiconductor base, but we don’t have it.

Let's say we have a base. It's just that it's pretty old, almost 180 nm. True - they say they have mastered 90 nm. The question is different - do you really need advanced chips with the latest technology? There is a feeling - in many cases, that there is enough .. In the end, the functionality of military devices is quite economical, it does not need to spend resources on a beautiful interface and all sorts of user gadgets ..

[Hagakure]

90 nm in Russia is available only on imported equipment.

[Osipov9391]

And what's the use of them with these 0.09 microns? After all, it is necessary to develop microcircuits, to obtain samples.
Transfer to customers and wait at least about a year.
Then it will be clear whether the chip was successful or not.

How many 0.25 µm or 0.35 µm lines do we have in Russia that are stably operating?
Well, NIISI and the Kurchatov Institute have it. But production volumes are small.
Belarusians definitely have 0.35 microns, but they do little on it - the logic there is basically standard.

[Osipov9391]

0.18 micron CMOS is available at Mikron, this is the best factory in Russia. But all that is made on this line is microcircuits and processors of the late 90s or early 00s level. Long outdated.
Well, judge for yourself, who needs a 128Kx8 flash memory chip (128 Kb!) ten times more expensive than their foreign counterparts? Well, or a flash memory chip for 2 megabytes, 8 megabytes is the limit for Russia.
A small percentage of the yield of suitable crystals in plates, a large percentage of rejects - that's why the price is so.

In order to do not just UAV electronics, but at least the “Black Box” of a helicopter, memory chips are needed, well, at least hundreds of megabytes of information.
FPGAs are needed, microcontrollers are needed, DSP processors are needed.

And such microcircuits are not made in Russia at all! Only the Voronezh Institute and a couple of firms at VZPP are designing this.
But then again, frequencies above 25 MHz are foundry production. Weak performance is Minsk, medium and strong is Taiwan or Germany (X-FAB). The latter are cut off by sanctions.

So everything is very bad in this regard with us. But the necessary imported microcircuits are in the feed and are still getting to Russia.

[Osipov9391]

Specifically for UAVs and for secure communications, it is precisely a new element base that is needed. On modern technical processes below 0.13 microns, which are not available in Russia in an acceptable form at all.

At 0.18 microns and higher up to 0.6 microns, only these "stones" can be made:
https://niiet.ru/product-category/chips/microcont/risc-32-bit/

But they are completely unsuitable for UAV equipment, wearable army radios, tablets, navigators, etc.
Not only because of their meager characteristics, but because of the huge price of tens of thousands of rubles, low mounting density on the board, mounting difficulties, and generally requiring highly qualified developers.

For them, you need to buy lead cutters at a price of a hundred thousand rubles, programmers and debug boards at a price of tens of thousands of rubles, software and debugging environments at a price of tens of thousands of rubles.

For the equipment of submarines and strategic missiles, such microcircuits are suitable. But not for other tasks - they are overly redundant there.

[low war]

Tov. (or maybe not?) senior ensign! Explain to me the 'old fool' why you (maybe a new training manual tsipso? or childhood illness? well, there are a lot of such stuff here) so 'stuck' on "nm" and "um". To fool people's brains about the state of electronics in the Russian Federation? [for reference 1 micrometer (µm) = 1000 nanometers (nm)]. I read about miniaturization and lower power consumption in my grandfather's abstracts, which he applied on 'labs' 50 years ago, then only film resistors and knew that real microsems were already made in Voronezh (alas, 2% worked, but it worked!). So, the last upgrade of the computer to a not the coolest motherboard (not for filmmakers, and bitcoin farms, but almost cool gaming), a 'stone' (processor, well, not the coolest, but close) the fan takes up 3 times more space the stone itself, cooling in a case with an average graphics card requires the installation of two more fans, and a cool power supply! You don't have to convert to joules. Just try to sensibly write a rationale for your requirement of 0.13 µm for your specific task! By the way, it worked in the USSR, as well as in the USA!

[low war]

Fan = cooler. The upgrade was done after a generation and to switch to a PCI-e NVMe SSD, yes, there was a gain compared to 'buzzing' drives, but the performance only increased by 30%!

[GIS]

Thank you! thanks a lot for the post!
as I remembered, the labs got so upset_ how much everything was in our heads ....
Crap. now managers yes managers)))

[stelltok]

The question is different - do you really need advanced chips with the latest technology?

We need at least 28 nm.
TTX Quadcopter DJI Mavic:
processor 2 cores Cortex-A17 28nm 1,5Hz

There is a feeling - in many cases, that there is enough ..

Feelings are deceiving you.
If you need to get off the dependence on the West, then you need 7 nm.
NVIDIA uses 7nm in their graphics cards. and less.
Video cards are needed for design engineers, or for bioengineers, for 3D modeling, for science. etc. For unmanned vehicles...

[paul3390]

Again. In military technology - all this is by no means necessary. Do you seriously think that all Western technology has the latest generation chips ?? Schaz!! Avon - mattress strategic missilemen only recently abandoned 8 "floppies. Because a significant part of the performance of civilian chips is occupied by the maintenance of all sorts of custom gadgets. For war, they are not needed for hell.

I remember a long time ago I had an unforgettable OS / 2 ... The computer was abandoned in the corner and the memory was removed from it. And something was needed on the screw. I found a bar in 4 MB and pressed the button. The axis probably groaned for an hour, after which it still started up, along with the interface. Yes, it slowed down terribly, but I downloaded the data over the network. So she wound up in four MEGABYTES of memory !! Now there are gigabytes of firewood on some network card ..

So - do not be here for all the good things. Nobody says that it is not necessary to develop electronics, but even without 3 nm chips, the country will not die for sure.

[Osipov9391]

Once again I explain that specifically for UAVs, modern avionics and modern wearable army equipment, an element base is needed that is modern on modern technical processes.
Well, understand, "Mavics" do not fly on the Z80, for example. And they never fly.

UAV electronics is almost always a hard limit in terms of weight, size and mounting density.
The components necessary for this in Russia are not made, period.

[stelltok]

Again. In military technology - all this is by no means necessary.

Once again, SPECIALLY FOR YOU.
The quadcopter requires 28nm.
processor 2 cores Cortex-A17 28nm 1,5Hz
All.
Still have questions?

[man]

Stupid Kudrin stupidly stockpiled money in the West, instead of putting it into his own production.
This is not stupid Kudrin, you are naive. And Kudrin is just a bastard

[Alexander Fomichev]

Bearing. ..everything is visible as during the day. Why "our media, foreign media" is a postulate for CIPSO, there are no funds of their own, but they are exploring their own lives .. The Russian Federation is in a hurry .. to have time .. to take "home".

[Pankrat25]

The Russian starlink is the SKIF satellites of the SPHERE system. They began to launch from the Vostochny cosmodrome in the fall of 2022.

[GIS]

he is not stupid, he works for Westerners. that's the whole answer. I would care for the country, I would invest all the money of the Russian Federation here

[Aaron Zawi]

How much will they have time to produce for this war?

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

How much will they have time to produce for this war?

How many what? Geraniums?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

How much will they have time to produce for this war?

They count chickens in the fall .. We will find out when the war ends.

[Zaurbek]

In essence, they differ in size, the technology is the same. Therefore, all types can be made at the factory. Another thing is interesting: it is impossible to sell UAVs to Iran in the Russian Federation, but it is possible to guard the plant for them! Strange. But the step is correct, the weapon has shown itself and it has in this size - where else to grow towards the GOS. So what are the Russian Harops, I hope we see

[Hagakure]

The cost of one Shahed-136 is around 40 thousand dollars. If you stick GOS on it, then the cost will increase many times over. In addition, this is an airplane, nothing is molded there just like that. Any increase in weight degrades flight performance. Shahed is simply brilliant in his class. It is cheap, flies far and is hardly noticeable, with a rather high destructive power of the filling. And the launch platform itself, made as a container for a civilian truck, is simply a masterpiece of military thought in the field of camouflage. If you are going to install a radar, then a number of design issues immediately arise. Why are you putting it in there? Naturally, by reducing the mass of the explosive, which is only 50 kg. It’s not enough to slap a radar, you still need to power it with electricity, which means you need a generator, the battery will not be enough for Shahed’s range, or the weight there will be huge. The generator needs to be powered from the engine, which means that this is a loss of engine power or another engine. Where can I get the last one? Increasing engine power means more fuel consumption. And so you need to completely recalculate the entire structure.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: Hagakure

And so you need to completely recalculate the entire structure.

It is possible to use even simpler non-powered gliders for short flight ranges, which are launched by a high-speed motorized winch, rocket booster, or even just a towing car along a dirt runway or highway. They are also silent and even worse visible to radars and are slightly limited in weight - you can recall the cargo and landing gliders of the Germans and the USSR, still pre-war, and subject to deterioration in range and installation of additional wing mounts and weak points - and expand their weather restrictions - you can fly into the storm. The scarce engines saved on them can be used more rationally. And for very long-range aircraft, multi-engine schemes arise, like the first long-range bombers.

[Zaurbek]

Naturally, in the presence of a GOS of the Lancet type, it will not be possible to maintain the size of the warhead. Compare Harop and Shahid. And they have different purposes. The Russian Federation really needs such a drone: hunting for Hymars and long-range artillery is a pressing problem and will continue until any piece of territory is kept under control.

[zenion]

If anyone remembers the film of the last century, created in Denmark and translated into Russian, called "Drink first, Fedya." So there was one beast that made rockets that were controlled by pigeons. It's time to make such airplanes, for children, against Ukraine. To train them and fly. Pigeons can dodge any missiles, and if they were taught to read, they will shoot down everything and everyone who comes across them on the list. They will even be able to direct the warhead at the enemy, while fleeing themselves. After that, they will return to the base, put a wing to their head and say - the task is completed, Mr. I.R. Here they can be given to devour on alcohol. It's time to do this.

[Alien From]

That's all great, but where were they before? There was an article recently, not enough 14000! engineers ..... okay, copies are obtained and then bread and real help.

[gsev]

Quote: Alien From

There was an article recently, not enough 14000! engineers.

When I visited Iranian Russian-language sites, I was amazed that 85% of the information posted on them is devoted to the success of Iranian science and technology with photos and videos of engineers and scientists, and not religion, ideology, politics or entertainment. In the best case, we will be informed about the painting of rocketry. For example, I know that Rogozin painted equipment in Khokhloma, and his successor in the colors of state symbols, but we do not cover the designers and testers of this equipment.

[igorbrsv]

Constructors and testers will never be covered. They are signed and cannot be distributed. There is a special department that oversees this. Moreover, when applying for a job in KB, you will be checked up to the seventh knee, they will take all possible subscriptions, you will even pass a psychological test and a test for your reliability. And you may need a guarantor. Such people are even hung with medals only posthumously, and then not to everyone, but whoever has a subscription ends, who will be declassified

[yho]

Yes, even ten years ago, news about Russian scientists flashed in criminal reports. For example:
“In Yekaterinburg, a businessman from Dagestan killed a researcher from the Russian Academy of Sciences with a traumatic gun at a bus stop during the day.”
https://m.gazeta.ru/auto/2014/11/18_a_6305533.shtml

In the tenth years, about 70 mysterious murders of scientists, designers and leaders who were related to our defense industry were committed.
Here is another episode:
death of 60-year-old TsAGI employee Konstantin K. The corpse of a scientist was found in an apartment on Chkalov Street in the city of Zhukovsky.
Source: https://versia.ru/cru-ubivaet-rossijskix-uchyonyx

You can't treat scientists and designers like that! Here they would be better guarded than Chubais. The latter, like the elusive Yang, is of no use to anyone (well, maybe except for Kvachkov).

[low war]

Here they seem to be discussing Iranian weapons, so Israel (again, like everywhere else, there are different groups), how many of their specialists 'put'! Alya - Mossad, CIA, MI6 are on the alert ... "But we will go the other way"

[man]

Constructors and testers will never be covered. They are signed and cannot be distributed. There is a special department that oversees this. Moreover, when applying for a job in KB, you will be checked up to the seventh knee, they will take all possible subscriptions, you will even pass a psychological test and a test for your reliability.
Do you remember the first departments in Soviet research institutes?

[igorbrsv]

They don't share anywhere. At least in the 2000s they were for sure. Unless they could resubordinate to the FSB. This is about KB. In other areas, concessions were made. Previously, even workers employed in the defense industry were checked. There is no one to work now. On working specialties take all.

[MBRSS]

Moreover, when applying for a job in KB, you will be checked up to the seventh knee, they will take all possible subscriptions, you will even pass a psychological test and a test for your reliability.

I doubt it, because there was no such garbage even in the USSR (and I know!). Now, in the period of a total shortage of personnel, subject to all of the above, there will simply be no one to work.

[alexey_Murzin]

Who will be declassified there))
Those who can’t get a job elsewhere go to the state design bureau, they don’t have enough brains)
There is a salary of 30 thousand)

[antiquity]

But everyone knows how many times a day Danya Milokhin poke and how many panties Buzova has.
About engineers, scientists, students and schoolchildren-winners of the Olympiads, it is not interesting. They won't be watching.

[Orange Bigg]

There was a lack of understanding why UAVs are needed.

The defense did not pay any attention to us at all. In 2006, I spoke at a large congress on drones. And he said that the drone can correct artillery fire, can be a communications repeater, and can do a lot more at the front. Which can cost less than a thousand dollars.
We were listened to and said: "Guys, you have reviewed American films." Verbatim. Serious uncles were sitting there, in suits, uniforms, ”he concluded.

The general director emphasized that he had been developing UAVs for 18 years, but normal work began only with the beginning of the SVO, before that the Russian military-industrial complex was not at all interested in this topic.

https://www.politnavigator.net/peresmotreli-gollivudskikh-filmov-v-moskve-obyasnili-pochemu-u-rf-net-svoikh-boevykh-bpla.html

[igorbrsv]

Recently, drones for energy services have also been announced. Inspector drones, repair drones, etc. Waiting for orders. The drone sits on a high-voltage wire, and "scratches" along the wires. Inspects, puts "patches".
Some UAV was demonstrated with a flight range of 1500 km and a flight speed of 900 km/h. I don't remember the payload. Or rather, I remembered, but it seems to me that my ears let me down, because this does not happen

[Andy_nsk]

That's all great, but where were they before? There was an article recently, not enough 14000! engineers ..... okay, copies are obtained and then bread and real help.

The Shahid-type drone is a rather primitive product, I have no doubt that our engineers can do even better. Why not done before, it is obvious that there was no order and funding. Further I can only mother!

[Alien From]

No need for foul language, everyone has already worn off their entire tongue on their own teeth. Only the decision of the leadership is needed, but it has not been there for a year! We are a patient people, but we are not patient!

[MstislavHrabr]

It's time to return, to recreate the system of primary technical education! Otherwise, we will not have engineers or those who can bring their decisions to life! Turners, locksmiths, welders of high ranks - where are they ...

[Egg]

Quote: MstislavHrabr

locksmiths, welders of high ranks

I don’t know about the others, but there are definitely locksmiths and welders, only they won’t go to the factory, they already earn good money in “nomadic” brigades in the north and far east.
A qualified welder earns 180-200 tr in our country, and a submachine gunner 210 - 230, a locksmith 10-20 tr. less, which plant can beat such a salary?
Now the focus is on money and only money.

[miner]

I built myself a house. I needed a welder to weld I-beams. Found on Avito. A guy arrived, aged 35. He did an excellent job. I asked him - Why, if you cook so well, do not go to the North. He replied that he had spent many years there. That I did not see how my daughter grew up. Now I want to live in normal conditions, with my family. Let it be for less money.

[Egg]

Quote: MstislavHrabr

It's time to return, to recreate the system of primary technical education! Otherwise, we will not have engineers or those who can bring their decisions to life!

And it won’t be until the current system of remuneration is eliminated, when directors and other top management receive half a million each, drive Mercedes and BMWs and sit on contracts, and engineers and hard workers struggle for 30-40 wooden ones and see no light. And no system will help.

[paul3390]

The adored guarantor clearly explained to you - if this fraternity is not paid crazy loot, it will immediately screw them to the West .. Where they have long dreamed of how to lure such super-efficient managers to themselves ..

[Hagakure]

Our engineers will not be able to do this for a number of reasons. But the main one is the same - it's too cheap, you can't cut the budget on it. Although, they manage to buy drones with a red price of 30 thousand rubles in the Moscow Region for 600 thousand rubles.

[low war]

[I'm just trying to look at the historical side] Oh, maybe it's not the time now, but why not now quietly (as 'Darkest' does) quietly win back the information capture of liberda. These are now normal cunning. And the idea to organize "sharagi" belongs to the slandered Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria. We need to rehabilitate the man! And we need to start with the restoration of the monument to F.E. Dzerzhinsky on the square. Lubyanka! And without that, it's just a civil-imperialist war. According to grandfather Lenin!

[GIS]

(as 'Darkest' does) not to quietly win back the information capture of liberda.

so they answered. he does it slowly ... water wears away the stone. there you look after liberda and officials of all ranks will begin to "fly in")))

[Zaurbek]

The Ministry of Education is tailored for the training of economists, lawyers, marketers - diplomats.
I understand why university students need a deferment from the army. But I don’t understand why such a delay for Lawyers-Journalists-Diplomats ...... What will a journalist (served-recovered) write about and what will a current journalist write about? Or what view of the negotiations will the diplomat.?

[ivan1979nkl]

Russia puts into production a new drone that outperforms Iranian drones

Very inspiring news, looking forward to development.
Maybe now the Ukrainians will leave their claims to Iran and stop accusing Russia of some kind of plagiarism

[topol717]

Quote from ivan1979nkl

Maybe now the Ukrainians will leave their claims to Iran and stop accusing Russia of plagiarism

You did not carefully read the article, the plant is still being built, and they are already declaring that this is an Iranian plant. And cruise missiles are also Iranian. Well, at least not Afghan.

[yho]

Nothing, by 2030 it will probably be built. Let's wait.

[gsev]

Quote from ivan1979nkl

stop accusing Russia of plagiarism

By the way, this is a clever discrediting of everything Russian. Calling the enemy a "quilted jacket" the Ukrainian only angers and provokes him, and arguing that Russia is unable to create any unmanned vehicles on its own, he casts doubt into the very soul of the enemy. Simonyan and Solovyov play along with TsIPSO, refusing to give unaltered information and direct arguments from the developers and the Lancets and the Sputnik V vaccine, instead of reporting on the artistic coloring of rockets. https://topwar.ru/210254-roskosmos-predstavil-ukrashennuju-v-chest-80-letija-stalingradskoj-bitvy-raketu-sojuz-21a.html At one time, Chkalov made the aircraft as light as possible for a record flight in the USA, and Levanevsky I asked for it to be custom painted to my liking. Everyone who is interested in domestic aviation knows this story, and modern games with not carrying Khokhloma on rockets or panels of the Battle of Stalingrad lead to frightening analogies.

[igorbrsv]

It seems to me that Iran itself received this technology from us. And I also guess why they blame Iran. New sanctions, new pressure, new Israeli attacks

[yho]

More like China. The official version is that the Iranians made an analogue of the downed American UAV.

[Leshak]

Well, if The Wall Street Journal is not lying, then this is very good news. A lot of cheap drones is what we need now.

[dmi.pris1]

This is the special economic zone "Alabuga". There is where to build, all communications, preferential taxation. There will be specialists, I'm sure.

[Egoza]

Quote: Leshak

Well, if The Wall Street Journal is not lying

Most likely not lying. But I would like to ask: "What is your business? You are looking at yourself, and not spying on Russia"

[Su-25]

Let it bloom better than Geranium))
Oh, and don't forget Geranium.

[Andy_nsk]

And CNN reporters said that of the 52 Shahed-136 parts, 40 were made in the United States, while the rest of the components were made in Canada, Switzerland, Japan, Taiwan and China. They even found Russian relays and board mounts.

Some nonsense! Repeated from article to article! What 40 parts are made in the USA? How was it determined? Is every part marked made in usa? And what, in such a product there are only 52 parts? Technical insanity! What kind of relay? - there is no relay in such equipment for a long time. The parts will most likely be produced in the Russian Federation, there are many more of them, hundreds of pieces in each product, chips in the bulk too (there is a ban on the use of imported MS in military products, which in my opinion is not always appropriate). It is possible to use processors made in Taiwan. If someone calls MS details, then he should not write articles on technical topics, nor do translations. I didn’t understand about mounting the boards at all, in most cases the boards are mounted on screws, there may be exceptions when there are special requirements.

[igorbrsv]

Well, relays can also be used. Those in terms of quality and reliability and semiconductors will not yield, such as some kind of RES-49. Otherwise agree

[Andy_nsk]

Those in terms of quality and reliability and semiconductors will not yield, such as RES-49

RES will be inferior in reliability to p / n relays, especially in vibration conditions. There is experience in using all sorts of electromechanical things (in the distant past), in vibration conditions there were such miracles - and you will find hell until you reproduce the conditions on a real product. Semiconductor switches and relays are much more reliable, the only thing better than a relay is the lower contact resistance compared to low-power switches, but this is a very specific parameter, in 99,9% of cases it is preferable.

[Hagakure]

As a person who has served relay-contactor circuits in the metallurgical post-Soviet production for ten years, it is amusing to read about the instability of relay-contactor circuits to vibration. Yes, electronic circuits are more reliable, but if they break, then they break - change the whole unit. And he's not cheap. And the average repair of a relay-contactor circuit by an experienced electrician in production is forty minutes with a road and a run for a part. And if the electric bridge crane regularly undergoes the correct maintenance and repair work, then there is nothing to break even for months. And the vibration there, be healthy on the old rail tracks with sagging workshop supports. And relay circuits are still cheaper than solid-state circuits, and are still in use. If a thing is disposable and mass-produced, like Shahed, you should not raise the cost of a unit due to unreasonably large margins of reliability. They cost money too. And this is a question of the military economy.

[Andy_nsk]

Well, you can’t be convinced about the relay, it’s too lazy to argue, I can only say that relays are not used in new developments.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote from Andy_nsk

relays are not used in new developments.

Relays can be manufactured in large quantities on their own completely (even if it is a bad relay), not depending on imports, and there may be problems with payment order due to hidden import dependencies. Therefore, it is still impossible to completely abandon this anachronism - but you can maneuver it, replacing the p / n where it is possible and expedient to temporarily replace it in certain situations - for example, when there is a shortage of them.

[Osipov9391]

Most likely microchips.
There are purely American ones, there are European ones, there are Western developments made in Southeast Asia.
There are Taiwan and China, but they are few.
And there has long been no ban on the use of imported microcircuits in military equipment.
Since their microcircuits are 10-15% of what is needed.
Even "Baguettes" for the Su-35S, Su-34 and other aircraft in Ramenskoye are assembled almost entirely from imported microcircuits.
Just because, as I wrote, there are practically no suitable ones.

[Novichek]

. Russia is putting into production a new drone that outperforms Iranian Shahed drones.

ha ha! Can there be anything better than martyrs? It's impossible! Shahid is the pinnacle of technological progress! Humanity has not yet reached this level!

Iran is moving its production of drones to Russia to protect itself from possible sanctions...

. It's even funnier! They would also write that "Iran has despaired of its ability to ensure the safety of production on its territory, therefore it is moving the plant "away from the Jews" and the Anglo-Saxons for one thing!"
Two jokes in one article at once! Thanks, I laughed out loud!

[hhurik]

Not shaheed, but shahed - this is different.

Shahed (pers.) - an observer, a witness.

[Boris Ivanov]

a good day today .. in the morning some pleasant emotions. It's been a long time since my mood has improved so much.

[bombaher]

I propose the name of the strike UAV - Buttercup

[Aviator_]

I propose the name of the strike UAV - Buttercup

And the flight is accompanied by a song from the film "Balzaminov's Marriage" - "Buttercups flowers / in my garden ..."

[hrych]

Quote from bombaher

I propose the name of the strike UAV - Buttercup

The officer's daughter: "Here with buttercup, not everything is so simple." The gentle name of the flower "buttercup" comes from the word "fierce", its juice can be very caustic.

[yho]

Maybe Landuh is better? (an allusion to "Losharik")

[Aag]

Quote from bombaher

I propose the name of the strike UAV - Buttercup

No need! And then suddenly "... buttercups drooped ..." (C).

[Sebostyuan]

The news is definitely encouraging. But it is not the fact of building a plant that is important, but the result.
A year ago, a plant for the production of "Orions" was opened. Where is the result?
Military correspondents write that now there is 1 "Orlan" per division. "Orlan-30" as a rare bird from the Red Book. Accordingly, there is nothing to reveal the power of "Krasnopol."

[PavelT]

Yes, I'm interested in this too!
I come from the city where this plant was opened. In general, silence about Orions in our media. And in not ours, too, silence.
If you carefully watch the video of how the plant was opened with pomp a year ago, you can see from a couple of points that this is largely a fake: the assembly conveyor was not yet ready at all, the workshop is actually empty, people imitate work at empty tables in abstract rows: https ://youtu.be/E2Y_HG_VnJo?t=139

[stankow]

Krasnopol has his own lighting device, he does not rely on Orlan.

[Hagakure]

You are somewhat behind the times at the expense of the backlight device.

[Andrey Nikolaev_4]

Yes, you need to attack in a swarm so that there are anti-radar drones, and drones for shooting heat traps and chaff and the strike group itself

[igorbrsv]

And decoys ahead for overload

[Osipov9391]

When AWACS aircraft from NATO countries operate in Ukraine, they can easily determine where the false targets are where the real ones are.
In the passive electronic intelligence mode, simply capturing the radio signatures of air targets.

When, for example, flying X-55 / X-101 missiles (it doesn’t matter with or without a charge) emit certain signatures with their radio altimeters and Doppler speed meters.

And when "Orlans" or "Shakhnds" fly, then the radio signature there is already different or it does not exist at all if the electronics only work for reception and not for transmission.

[Hagakure]

Easy to say, hard to do. It just seems that it's easy to put a radar on Shahed.

[Al manah]

Moscow and Tehran are moving ahead with plans to build a plant to produce Iranian drones in Russia. It is planned to produce at least 6 drones for the war in Ukraine.

It is reported by RBC-Ukraine with reference to The Wall Street Journal.

As part of the developing military alliance, a high-level Iranian delegation flew to Russia in early January to visit the planned site for the plant and discuss the details for launching the project.

In the city of Yelabuga, located in the Republic of Tatarstan, the delegations of the Kremlin and Tehran examined the empty site where the construction of the plant is planned, which in the coming years will be able to produce thousands of drones.

Both countries are seeking to build a faster drone that could create new challenges for Ukraine's air defense, US officials say.

[kill the fascist]

Great news, I hope our talents will eventually produce UAVs more advanced and powerful than Iranian prototypes.

[Hagakure]

More advanced or more powerful? You somehow decide. Perfect ones are cheaper. Powerful - more expensive. Cheaper, but more powerful - fantastic.

[Li17]

Good news, but do not think that my zems will not be able to establish the production of such things (already exist)! So we urgently need to decide on the production of weapons against such mopeds! And then, as usual, fried Petya will bite ...

[MBRSS]

Great news. In this war, all hope is that we will have time to rivet drones more and faster than Ukraine does.
We also need tens of thousands of cheap Lancets of various carrying capacities. We need a mega-plant for their production.

[al3x]

Why not screw a 2-3 stage impeller to the internal combustion engine? Greater efficiency, greater speed of the outflowing jet, greater thrust. As an option for improvement. Previously, the problem was in high-quality, fast production of propeller impellers, now it is all printed on 3D printers in a few hours. It is necessary to revive modeling in the country, I'm sure there are plenty of talents, but there is no ground for turning a child's, youthful hobby into a vocation and a profession.

[Hagakure]

You forgot to calculate the mass of the impeller to the mass of a two or three bladed propeller. And then calculate the economic effect.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

So these are American drones, if most of the parts are American. Why are they called Iranian?

[Hagakure]

Because if you roll Chinese cucumbers into your jar with your pickle, then these will no longer be Chinese cucumbers, but yours. Approximately the same as Belarusian shrimp.

[Beaver]

The very best weapons are usually made from mr and sticks. Forward shahid gerani)!

[Atlas]

And I have a simple question. But you can’t attach a “head” from the Lancet to Geranium ??? I understand that in terms of maneuverability he will lose to the Lancet, and maybe there will be no "jewelry" accuracy of hitting. But with such a mass of explosives, he will nafig endure everything, even tanks, you can’t even mention art and Khmarah.

[al3x]

Lancent's "Bosko" and target designation are controlled by an operator at the near edge, this is a mobile complex, geraniums fly according to the input data.

[Alex242]

Quote: lucul

Russia will put into production a new drone, much faster than the currently used "Iranian" Shahed drones, called "Geran" in the Russian army. New the plant will be opened in Tatarstan

But why, why make the same mistakes, why?????
Why EXACTLY in Tatarstan? Why does Russia, everything high-tech and modern, open EXACTLY in small republics, huh? Did the experience of the USSR teach nothing? Then they also thought that nothing would fall apart. But what happened in fact? Was there no other place in native Russia?
Yaroslavl, Voronezh, no? It is Tatarstan and nothing else, right? And then, in the event of its rebellion, we will again heroically replace production with imports, right?

don’t invent nonsense, what words you operate on - native Russia .... you probably don’t read history well ....

[Osipov9391]

For the production of electronics of any UAV in Russia, the element base is not produced today - from microcircuits, CMOS sensors, optics, thermal imagers, SMD elements, etc.
Only Milandr from Zelenograd made attempts to develop something for this, and it really worked out there.
But sanctions struck and the release of their products at the German X-FAB plant turned out to be impossible.
And in Russia there were no lines for this at all.

Other semiconductor plants in Russia in this regard do not develop or produce anything at all - there are no materials and equipment.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: lucul

Russia will launch a new drone in production ... in Tatarstan[/b]

Why EXACTLY in Tatarstan? ... And then ... we will again ... import-substitute production, right?

There is no need to generalize, production is opened where there are such opportunities in order to launch faster. It would be strange if they started with the construction of a factory building.

[epicurean]

According to Israeli intelligence, Iran has established a full cycle of production of electronic components for the needs of its military-industrial complex and does not depend on their supplies from other countries. This is the whole difference between our fools in power and smart Iranians.

[newtc7]

I still don’t understand the drones will be geraniums or others faster?

[Sergey Ivanov_25]

Here you go! Fasteners for Russian boards! We can if we want!

[Sabzero]

Quote from Sabzero

Isn't it funny yourself? Attach a photo, but they themselves did not even bother to study it. Enlarge the photo and read the inscription on the green caps. Oh God. Rotax is written there.

[Rusfaner]

People should read such news in the past tense: built, released yesterday, etc. And as it is now - whether it will be, or not, then, in short.

[zenion]

Many did not like your drawing of what was done in one copy and correctly. You didn't draw self-propelled guns, burning lightning bolts and whistling bullets. Where are the traps and lasso, where are the point breakers themselves? You forgot to draw all this. You forgot that even in those days when they threw stones at one another, the ancient writer wrote in a cave - do not brag about going to the army, but brag about going with the army. Of course, it is a pity that at that time there were no underpants or underpants, otherwise the writer would have drawn what he had in mind visually. What did you write? Whether it will, or not, whether it loves, or not! And you need to finish with the words of the call - we will shed blood for the king and his fatherland!

[Vashek]

What we need to build a house - draw, we will live. Well, you can’t just continue to wag it without doing anything yet. Better tell me where Armata is the best tank in the world.

[ch28k38]

"... the deal ... signed" - who wrote it? Jamshut or Ravshan?

[yho]

The construction of the plant has not even begun, they only examined the place in an open field, and the news was presented as if the production of UAVs had already been launched.
If they still decide to take this step, then the construction will take five years, and drones are needed today. By the time of construction, these "shaheeds" may already lose their relevance, as methods of dealing with them are being improved.
The Russian Federation is full of abandoned workshops of once huge factories with all the necessary infrastructure. It will be enough just to carry out a small cosmetic repair. I believe that it is possible to agree with their owners. Only machines and specialists will be needed.