Russian political scientist Suslov named the most likely scenario for ending the Ukrainian conflict

The most realistic outcome of the current armed clash between Russia and Ukraine is the likely conclusion of a truce at a certain stage and the transition from the "hot phase" of the conflict to its freezing. This point of view was voiced by Russian political scientist, Deputy Director of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies of the Faculty of World Economy and International Affairs of the National Research University Higher School of Economics Dmitry Suslov.

Speaking in Armenia at a round table on the topic “Armenia and the global confrontation between Russia and the West: the results of 2022”, the expert spoke about the differences between the ideal and realistic scenarios for the end of the Ukrainian conflict.

Ideally, Russia should have inflicted such a military defeat on Ukraine that would lead to demilitarization, limited military cooperation with the United States and NATO, the return of the status of the Russian language and an end to the persecution of the Russian-speaking population, Suslov cites RIA News.

But such a scenario is unlikely, since it actually means a direct defeat for the West. Therefore, if there is a threat of such a scenario, the West will have to enter into a direct armed clash with Russia, including a nuclear war.

Accordingly, the scenario of freezing the conflict along the lines of the Korean model looks more realistic. Both countries will then be able to claim victories, the West will be able to keep a weakened but militarized and pro-Western Ukraine, and Russia will receive the territories of Donbass and the Northern Black Sea region.

However, such a scenario is unlikely to satisfy both sides of the conflict, so Russia and Ukraine will remain hostile states. But this, the political scientist believes, is better than another likely scenario - a nuclear war between Russia and the West.

Comments

[Amateur]

HSE

Quoting one of the gaydarysh during the SVO is a terrible bad manners.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

No 38 parallels. Only total surrender.

[certero]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

No 38 parallels. Only complete surrender

There are no prerequisites for this and are not expected. With the available forces, Russia will not be able to force Ukraine to surrender and defeat it.
Therefore, the likelihood of a Korean scenario is the most realistic that can be, unless, of course, we proceed to a general nuclear war.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: certero

There are no prerequisites for this and are not expected. With the available forces, Russia will not be able to force Ukraine to surrender and defeat it.

So it is necessary to build up forces, up to additional mobilization. But do not leave our children, or grandchildren, the solution of this issue. Therefore, no "38 parallels"

[Plover]

Who needs? Me and you. But the military-political leadership does not need it. Inertia, even in modern conditions, is such that from the beginning of the mobilization of the economy (namely, such mobilization is needed) to the first results, at least 6 months will pass. If those in power wanted to win, this process would have already been launched. Therefore, "38 parallel" is what they are waiting for. Thanks to everyone who supported Putin all these years, he finally showed his true face.

[Shurik70]

Yes, how much can this idiotic article be duplicated in the "fresh" news.
Annoying.

[Ed1970]

"Lukoil refueled Ukrainian tanks?
The refinery in Burgas has become the largest supplier of fuel for the Armed Forces of Ukraine"
https://www.mk.ru/economics/2023/01/23/lukoyl-zapravlyal-ukrainskie-tanki.html

[krops777]

There are no prerequisites for this and are not expected. With the available forces, Russia will not be able to force Ukraine to surrender and defeat it.

The vague goals of the NMD, the incomprehensible strategy of the Ministry of Defense in the theater of operations, business with enemies, not rebuilding the economy on a war footing, a year has passed, during this time it was possible to increase the production of demanded weapons, uniforms, provision of everything necessary, and what we have, from the video which comes to the social network from people, you really want to swear at such an organization of the NWO.

[EMMM]

The goals of the SVO are clearly indicated: the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.
For those who are especially stupid, I explain that as long as at least one armed Banderite remains on Ukrainian soil, the operation will not end.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

I solemnly declare that I will not sheathe my sword until the government of Cape Verde translates the document flow into Esperanto. True, I do not have a sword and no scabbard either, so if Paraguay and Liechtenstein agree to mediate, I will agree to 60% of the document flow. But this is the last word!

[Arbeiternegast]

Particularly stupid, to me, explain how to denazify Ukraine, without setting the goal of a change of power???

[Lomaster]

I want a real end to the universal shame of Russia and Putin personally. This Tsushima is on his conscience.

[TIR]

Can you imagine if this political scientist is also paid salaries and grants from the budget. This is how much you have to be a scumbag to think about a nuclear war for Ukraine. Even if Poland is wiped off the face of the earth with nuclear weapons, the United States will not exchange blows even for Europe. And Ukraine is generally a tool for them. We either have respect for idiots or we have a rubber budget and it’s okay to feed such stupid

[Rimlianin]

Not in this case. NATO is significantly superior to Russia in conventional weapons and an order of magnitude - in the military-industrial potential. If a war between Russia and NATO starts, we will have to use nuclear weapons in order not to lose.

[Shurik70]

That is, speaking without "equivocals", the Fifth Column is trying to push through new "Minsk agreements".
In order to accumulate more weapons in Ukraine, to train personnel.
And in three years to start a new round of the Russia-West war

[Plover]

And who do you mean by the "fifth column"? I think it is already obvious to everyone that, alas, our regular army and peacetime economy are not capable of inflicting a devastating defeat even on such a second-rate state as Ukraine. If victory is needed, then the mobilization of the economy is required, and after that, the army (in that order). Inertia, even in modern conditions, is such that some results from changes in the economy will begin to be reflected in the combat potential in at least 6 months. How long has it been since 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX? Are any measures visible? And where is this "fifth column" that does just enough to achieve parity on the battlefield and no more?

[Two diplomas]

In-in, as soon as I read the habitat of this character, I immediately understood - shovret. Pushes the Wishlist from the Nazis.

[Penzyak]

Stopping halfway means giving the opportunity to Bandera with the help of the West to make a nuclear bomb. And the Bandera ghouls, believe me, they will definitely use it in Russia. Moreover, there are uranium mines and nuclear power plants in the Western region. And the West will wash its hands on this basis, but on the sly, technically and technologically, they will do everything for nuclear blackmail.

[mikh-korsakov]

That's how it is, stopping halfway will mean exactly what you listed. That is, our victory cannot be mixed at low speed. All patriots write about it. But how can this really be achieved? Just extrapolating to the current course of the operation - this does not work. Even the shelling of Donbass cannot be prevented. This means that, to use the old truths of Diamat, it is necessary to transform quantity into quality. Is the quantity enough? But this parameter is countable, no effort of will. I didn't find anything from our sources.

[Sergei Fonov]

In my opinion, without an increase in the army and the use of weapons of mass destruction, victory is, to put it mildly, unlikely, you need to stop getting ready and start again, you don’t need to stretch the NWO over time, it’s expensive and inefficient, we’ll see what the solution will be soon, with good reports there will be one solution, with bad others.

[Arzoo]

Just extrapolating to the current course of the operation - this does not work. Even the shelling of Donbass cannot be prevented. This means that, to use the old truths of Diamat, it is necessary to transform quantity into quality.

How to extrapolate the course of the war at the end of 1941 so that Berlin surrendered? This is not possible, because the enemy is near Moscow.

[2 Level Advisor]

what exactly, Dmitry - it looks like the Second World War and NWO, for such conclusions by analogy?

[Reserve officer]

As soon as I saw the swear word of three letters "HSE", I did not read further.

[ivan1979nkl]

As soon as I saw the swear word of three letters "HSE", I did not read further

it is interesting to read what the fifth column writes. It broadcasts the will of the owner in one form or another - forecasts in the form of hidden desires of an overseas customer. Conclusion: they want a truce, respite

[Reserve officer]

A little excursion into history...
“... no negotiations, except for unconditional surrender, should be conducted either with Krebs or with other Nazis. Unless there is an emergency, do not call until the morning, I want to get some rest before the parade.
I.V. Stalin
“... if the consent of Goebbels and Bormann to unconditional surrender is not given, we will deal such a blow, from which nothing will remain in Berlin but ruins. Let the Nazis think about the senseless sacrifices of the German people and their personal responsibility for recklessness.
G.K. Zhukov

[PavelT]

Quite right! The HSE is almost like a branch of the LSE (London School of Economics) - the main nursery of the globalist elite.
Once I dug up information on their branches / similar economic universities in the world - there are suspiciously many similar moments, jumps and blat. It's just like a network / forge of globalists' personnel.
Something on the example of the Swedish SSE in this article: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/02/14/kak-plamennaya-kurdskaya-kommunistka-vybrala-shvecii-premer-ministra

[2 Level Advisor]

Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated the staff of the Higher School of Economics on the 25th anniversary of the founding of the educational institution. The text of the telegram was posted on the Kremlin website on Monday.

"Over the past years, the university has established itself as one of the leading universities in the country and today it rightfully enjoys high prestige - as a recognized center of advanced, progressive thought and innovative approaches to the problems of education and science," the report says.

You see, the GDP does not agree with you .. why? - well, think for yourself ..

[AlexWar]

Yes, they would agree to a truce, but to give everything. We started a war to win.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote from Alexwar

Yes, they would agree to a truce, but to give everything. We started a war to win.

We started - we will win! On the other side there are “Khokhlonazis”, and on ours there are 180 peoples of Russia. And the Russian people should be grateful that 179 indigenous peoples of Russia unconditionally signed under “denazification and demilitarization”. And such a tandem will break the back of any enemy!

[voyaka uh]

On the other side - the economy and the military-industrial complex 50 most industrial
developed and financially rich countries of the world.
On this one - only the Russian economy.
China could help Russia, but chose to be neutral.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: voyaka uh

On the other side - the economy and the military-industrial complex 50 most industrial
developed and financially rich countries of the world.
On this one - only the Russian economy.
China could help Russia, but chose to be neutral.

Learn the history of the Second World War - maybe you will see the light! Contrary to popular belief, Europe "did not sign up" for the Third Reich. Thugs were found in almost every country, including citizens of the USSR, but 76% of the war was drawn by citizens of Germany. And now, the citizens of Ukraine are pulling for the same percentage, if not more. Europe, as then, "on the sidelines"!

And what about the economy? The T-34-85 was 2 times cheaper than the T-4 and 8 times cheaper than the Tiger. Now the situation is the same, nothing has changed. Not enough quality - let's take the quantity of technology!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

Learn the history of the Second World War - maybe you will see the light! Contrary to popular belief, Europe "did not sign up" for the Third Reich. Thugs were found in almost every country, including citizens of the USSR, but 76% of the war was drawn by citizens of Germany. And now, the citizens of Ukraine are pulling for the same percentage, if not more.

Percentages mean nothing.
The Czechs did not participate much in manpower, but with might and main they plowed for Germany in factories.

[old]

Learn the history of the Second World War - maybe you will see the light! Contrary to popular belief, Europe "did not sign up" for the Third Reich.

A very interesting concept. But together with the Wehrmacht, the troops of Romania, Finland, Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, Croatia, Austria (as part of Germany) invaded the territory of the USSR. Then the Belgians and French pulled up (in Normandy - Neman, as many as 14 people fought against Hitler). And these are not single "thugs", but the military personnel of their countries, whose governments supported Hitler.
And the fact that all this army fought worse than the Germans is the merit of exclusively Soviet soldiers.

[Santa Fe]

And what about the economy?

The military-industrial complex of the anti-Hitler coalition was many times superior to the military-industrial complex of the Axis countries

The USSR was an industrial giant of world importance

The T-34-85 was 2 times cheaper than the T-4 and 8 times cheaper than the Tiger. Now the situation is the same, nothing has changed. Not enough quality - let's take the quantity of technology!

You are again wrong in your calculations

The number of armored vehicles in the Wehrmacht was more than ours

[Sergei Fonov]

The number of tanks in the spacecraft was greater than that of the Germans, the loss of tanks in the Krivosheev War of the USSR was 83, Germany - 500, so Panthers were made 25 thousand, while T584 produced up to 6000 thousand per month, T-34s The 3 mm cannon was a good tank, but it was not put into production, probably there was not enough metal, and perhaps the sailors won. Speer writes that submarines were produced at 000-4 units per month. Armored personnel carriers required a lot of metal Panther 75 tons, self-propelled guns Ferdinand 25 tons, at the end of the war they released self-propelled guns based on the KFC-30-48 with a 70 mm cannon in 251-22 pieces, in 75-1944 the weight was about 40 tons, but they were no longer in able to turn the tide of hostilities.

[Santa Fe]

tank losses in the Krivosheev War of the USSR - 83, Germany - 500, so Panthers were made 25 thousand

There are always a lot of people who want to count Panthers, and the exact number of German armored vehicles is unknown.

The calculation is difficult for two reasons.

1. The Germans were the first to guess that tank-based special vehicles, in a reasonable proportion, are more important than just linear tanks and self-propelled guns. Anti-aircraft installation on a tank chassis can save the entire column. An armored cable layer is a link. The shell carrier on the tank chassis will ensure the operation of the battery

This whole concept fell on fertile ground - a large number of contractors and the general scarcity of resources forced the Germans to be smart. And the presence of a large number of highly skilled workers further contributed to the emergence of improvisations on tank chassis

Here - the German passion for armored personnel carriers. The KFC-251, even without heavy weapons, was twice as heavy as Soviet light tanks. And its equipment - removable sets of armor, surveillance devices and a radio station could be the envy of any tank. Modifications with automatic cannons, MLRS, even an infrared searchlight to support the panthers at night. And this is just one KFC251, the 251st model in the continuous numbering of the produced German equipment

The second point is the repair capabilities of the Panzerwaffe. The speed and frequency of restoration of broken vehicles, and the amount of damage at which the Germans still continued to consider the tank repairable. None of the allies had this

[Sergei Fonov]

The Germans have good reporting, so if you want to find a lot, you can find KFC-251 there were 18 modifications, weight 15 kg, but I didn’t understand what you wanted to convey.

[Santa Fe]

but what you wanted to convey, I did not understand.

Krivosheev counted 25 lost tanks, but forgot to count other combat and support vehicles

No one pays attention to how many armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns, armored special equipment the Wehrmacht had.

Also, Krivosheev and Co. forget to pay attention to the fact that many of these tanks and self-propelled guns were destroyed several times in battle - no one in our country would bother with such a broken vehicle. Repair cost came out as the construction of a new
More attention was paid to repair in the field than in any other army.

[Sergei Fonov]

Oleg! Krivosheev didn't forget to write anything, you just didn't read it. Guderian estimates losses from 22.06.1941/1944/33 to November 324 at 251, these are tanks, self-propelled guns, assault guns, armored personnel carriers. In terms of technology, how much and what the Germans had a lot of data, so KFC-15 produced 252, and together with KFC-250 only 21. For repairs, during the war years, the USSR performed 890 thousand repairs of equipment. The share of restored equipment 430% is tanks and self-propelled guns, the main source of replenishment of losses. On July 000, Prokhorovka 82,6 TA lost 5 vehicles out of 12, and on July 450 there were 670 tanks in service. In his memoirs, Mr. Colonel I. Frisner notes the high maintainability of Soviet tanks, few modifications, easy to maintain, while the Germans have up to 29 modifications of various equipment. Panthers and Tigers were not subject to repair in the field, complex and heavy equipment. In 503, 25 out of 1944 wrecked and faulty Panthers were restored. Losses on the example of 2680 TA Kharkov, Oryol, Kyiv operation before the start of battles about 110 thousand tanks, after a week, two battles were withdrawn for replenishment, losses of 3-1 tanks per day were considered admissible. My uncle was a battalion commander, he talked about winter repairs, a fighter came to the potbelly stove warmed his hands, they fried a pancake on the potbelly stove, drank 000 grams and again to the cold metal, I didn’t really listen as a child, I thought that the heroes are those who shoot from weapons, But as you get older, you realize it's not that easy.

[evgen1221]

NRU HSE can already write an article on this and close it for worthlessness. They won’t say smart because of the lack of brains, but it’s obvious to vang and build captains and without a nickname, every first one can be no worse.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Amateur

Quoting one of the gaydarysh during the SVO is a terrible bad manners.

But at least you can spit on his side, right?
A man from LICE can only say stupid things that are pleasant to the West VSA can give birth not to a political scientist, but to a political scientist.

the conclusion of a truce at a certain stage and the transition from the "hot phase" of the conflict to its freezing.

When frozen, Bandera will be pumped up with weapons from the West, undergo training, restore energy, production and educate a new shift sluggishly (or maybe not sluggishly) shooting across the Crimea and Donbass.

[belovvladimir]

Such traitors are really necessary khe-khe, a bought political scientist in the interests of the United States

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: belovvladimir

Such traitors, you really need khe-khe

Uh-huh, right, "heh-heh"!
And it’s time to recognize the HSE as a foreign agent and vzasha ..

[yuriy1863]

It's simple: the "VIP elite" rather wants to return the opportunity to ride on their London and other overseas "khatynka", and liberoid "analysts" are trying to fit this "scientific" rationale

[Murmur 55]

Yeah, "smart" expert, as soon as the conflict is frozen, the West will start pumping the Armed Forces of Ukraine so much that Mama don't cry, and as soon as the Ukrainians get stronger armed forces, Kyiv will trample on a new one and it will turn out we will delay the inevitable, it was already called Minsk.

[North Caucasus]

It's true. If you leave at least some territory, then the scenario with the LDNR will repeat. It will be both shame and war. And a war with a stronger enemy. States are good at analyzing events and drawing conclusions. But to conduct combat operations for a long time is an indicator of Russia's weakness. We are at war for the second winter and the second summer is on the nose. We do not have sensible commanders or good weapons? The more we fight, the more weapons go to the outskirts. So we will soon reach aircraft with missiles. And if the outskirts are also accepted into NATO, then NATO will then specifically strike from its bases. Our humanism seems to hit us hard. They did not bomb their bridges out of pity. But the enemy has no pity. Yes, and the enemy does not give up while the armies. Apparently we don't beat him up enough.

[skeptick2]

Quote: North Caucasus

The more we fight, the more weapons go to the outskirts.

A very valuable and accurate comment. Which, one must understand, is the result of the demilitarization of Ukraine declared by the guarantor?

Quote: North Caucasus

They didn't bomb their bridges out of pity

That's for sure? Just out of pity?
Or because of the inability to get into this very bridge? I don’t remember a photo of a hit by our shells from MLRS or OTRK missiles on at least one bridge. I did not see holes like those left by the Hymers on the canvas of the Antonovsky bridge.
Why?
Is it really all about pity? But for some reason, we do not stand on ceremony with energy objects. And there is no pity there. Or does the difference between the width of the bridge and the area of ​​the substation affect?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Only what is allowed by the "master of the war" is bombed.
Striped, that is.

[ivan1979nkl]

"smart" expert

HSE is clearly sitting on the hook of the West that they are not shy about writing such

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from ivan1979nkl

HSE is clearly sitting on the hook of the West that they are not shy about writing such

Not hooked, but sponsored.

[Jackson]

Everything you said is true, if the conflict is frozen, if it succeeds at all, we will get a mine of a replaced action at hand ... But on the other hand ... You can downvote me, but now we have neither the strength, nor the political will, nor the economic opportunity for the complete destruction of this snake nest ... For a complete victory, much more troops and weapons are needed, in addition, considerable sanctions, whatever one may say, are imposed on the country, and this also makes itself felt ... Well, political will ... They bleat us nervously about some lines, about the fact that we, in response to attacks on Russia, will strike retaliation strikes ... But it’s more designed for us, and overseas they don’t even pay attention to these attempts ...

[Aaron Zawi]

I think that in a year, somewhere, the parties will reach these parameters.

[Gips]

Yeah. We must also come up with a sacred meaning for the population of the Russian Federation. Justify it so that everyone is happy to be deceived once again, not only patriots without brains.
Although, judging by the events of the last 10 years, the owners of the state were not particularly worried about the formation of the necessary public opinion in front of the serious kidnappings of this society and put a bolt on the opinion.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: GIPS

Yeah. We must also come up with a sacred meaning for the population of the Russian Federation. Justify it so that everyone is happy to be deceived once again, not only patriots without brains.
Although, judging by the events of the last 10 years, the owners of the state were not particularly worried about the formation of the necessary public opinion in front of the serious kidnappings of this society and put a bolt on the opinion.

No one will make any sense. As the reserves and equipment of both sides are depleted, the war will more and more resemble the "War of Attrition". As a result, regardless of the desire of politicians on both sides, the war will simply exhaust itself.

[Gips]

Fantaziren zi bitte niht.
There is no such concept in philosophy "the war has exhausted itself" and in practice, accordingly, there is no such objective phenomenon.
There is such a thing as "removal of contradictions". But these contradictions will escalate inside, so that you understand what I wrote above.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

The Iranian-Iraqi precisely that has exhausted itself.

[Hypertension]

Quote: GIPS

Yeah. We must also come up with a sacred meaning for the population of the Russian Federation. Justify so that everyone is happy to be deceived once again

It’s even a pity, to some extent, tops. They themselves were deceived about the "little victorious" and the deep people were irritated. And if the tops were inflated about where they climbed, then the deep people bit the bit and, figuratively speaking, "the tail began to wag the dog." Go and calm the couch militarists-conquerors.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Sofas itch a lot, but do not solve anything.
Solves "deep". When it's ripe.

[bukhach]

Well, of course, patriots without brains, here you have a chamber of mind, you are another matter and not some kind of fools , on such smart ones, as you put it, God himself ordered to put the bolt, otherwise they will ruin the country and not blink an eye, you have enough brains for this. Before you refuse mental activity to other people, not your circle, it’s better for yourself look and think, maybe you should think first before bitingly blurting out some stupidity.

[Two diplomas]

Now the Donetsk group will be boiled in boilers, then we will think - the Dnieper or the Carpathians. It’s not for nothing that the guardsmen made the GDP of Wagner for themselves, the bourgeoisie now need to think a lot before distributing iPhones to the Nazis.

[Alexey Lantukh]

It is probably clear to the horse that the size of our group, taking into account the help of the West, the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not enough to reach the Carpathians. That's when another 300-500 thousand are mobilized and armed with dignity, then you can dream of the border of our troops with Poland.

[Jackson]

In the Donetsk grouping, it is now mostly mobilized and terrorist defense, both ours and Ukrainians recognize this, and they cherish and train really trained troops in the rear ..

[Revolver]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I think that in a year, somewhere, the parties will reach these parameters.

In principle, if the line is established along the Dnieper, then it will probably freeze. In this case, both sides will declare a great victory / victory, and neither side will be happy with such a status quo. Everyone will prepare for the continuation of the war, and only God knows how and when it will flare up again.
At the same time, in the absence of a permanent agreement, sanctions will remain, which is unlikely to improve the global economy. If anyone will benefit from this, then only China.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I think that in a year, somewhere, the parties will reach these parameters.

In principle, if the line is established along the Dnieper, then it will probably freeze. In this case, both sides will declare a great victory / victory, and neither side will be happy with such a status quo. Everyone will prepare for the continuation of the war, and only God knows how and when it will flare up again.
At the same time, in the absence of a permanent agreement, sanctions will remain, which is unlikely to improve the global economy. If anyone will benefit from this, then only China.

I think the border separating the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions will go along the Dnieper, but the Donetsk and Luhansk Russian Federation will be recaptured 100% regardless of any losses, this is really important for you.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

In Russia, the minimum program is to exit the bank of the Dnieper, as well as the liberation of Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa and Krivoy Rog + Volyn for the Old Man. In short, the division of Ukraine according to the scenario of Poland.

[Nikolay310]

what the hell, sorry, the blood of Russian soldiers should be mined by some fathers? if Volhynia is occupied by Russian troops, it must remain Russian. but the Belarusians want it, so let them scratch ...

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Real politician: in addition, Batko fetters significant forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the North. Well, it's not evening yet.

[1razvgod]

Neither Volyn nor the Carpathians surrendered to anyone in Belarus, neither the people nor the authorities need this ....

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

In Russia, the minimum program is to exit the bank of the Dnieper, as well as the liberation of Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa and Krivoy Rog + Volyn for the Old Man. In short, the division of Ukraine according to the scenario of Poland.

It is not realistic if you do not call another 1 million people.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Aaron, it's impossible to stop. When I post real scenarios here, they minus me, like you. I know perfectly well how much and how. They wrote here that "the tail is twisting the dog", and I will say that now we have awakened Bellona and until she gets drunk on human blood, the war will continue. I myself wonder: how many minuses will there be now ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

Aaron, it's impossible to stop. When I post real scenarios here, they minus me, like you. I know perfectly well how much and how. They wrote here that "the tail is twisting the dog", and I will say that now we have awakened Bellona and until she gets drunk on human blood, the war will continue. I myself wonder: how many minuses will there be now ...

What are the cons here? Emotions are overflowing at the forum today, so I do not attach any importance to them at all.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Cons, emotions, what difference does it make: the war will continue until it exhausts itself...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

I myself wonder: how many minuses will there be now ...

Yes, you didn’t say anything that would be drawn to the minuses or pluses.

[bombaher]

How to negotiate with the West if it then does not comply with the agreements? That is the question! We have to Victory, as to China on foot, and the Ukrainians have already lost in any case. The West would rather simply fix the territorial affiliation of the parties along the Dnieper without any Treaties, unofficially.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

In this scenario, everyone will be digesting prey and licking their wounds for another twenty to fifty years.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from bombaher

The West would rather simply fix the territorial affiliation of the parties along the Dnieper without any Treaties, unofficially.

Will it offend Poland and Romania?

[Carmela]

Quote from bombaher

The West would rather simply fix the territorial affiliation of the parties along the Dnieper without any Treaties, unofficially.

And Kissinger said that Ukraine would be accepted into NATO no matter what. This means that the dividing line of influence on the map of Europe will pass in such a way that Ukraine will remain in the zone of influence of the West. But he did not say anything about the Dnieper.

[Cure72]

HSE is a complete innovation agent.
Ban together with Suslov.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Cure72

HSE is a complete innovation agent.
Ban together with Suslov.

It was necessary for a long time.
And forbid them to be in power even in the status of consultants.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I looked at the biography of this Suslov. You don't have to be a counterintelligence genius to understand that this is a typical US agent of influence. However, there are no others at the HSE. And his "realistic" scenario is nothing but the defeat of Russia.
In short, Katz offered to surrender.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

typical US agent of influence. However, there are no others at HSE.

Now Matveychev felt offended.

[75 Sergey]

Therefore, we are moving to the border with Poland and Hungary.
Even the border along the Dniester is a so-so option

[Two diplomas]

The situation in Poland suggests that they did not grasp the radio station option the first time.

[garik77]

Suslov - and who is it? What are the grounds for trusting his forecasts? Such politolukhs are now divorced like cockroaches in the garbage!

[Carmela]

Quote: garik77

What are the grounds for trusting his forecasts?

It's not about trusting or not trusting. Such conversations and predictions open the Overton window. In short, the manipulation of our consciousness.

[Nag1984]

Freezing, a prologue to an even more terrible war in the future.

[Gips]

Fucking traders don't understand what "everything is serious" means. This means that in the end they will bring it to the moment when the people themselves will rise. Then it will definitely be very serious. And it is not yet known whether the factories and steamships will remain in private hands after that)))

And the reason is as follows.
The ideology of the market involves deceiving not only a competitor, but often a partner, since the issue of profit is more important than morality and morality. Therefore, decisions will be made only on the basis of the benefits of a particular situation.

And the merchants initially did not care who the Nazis, the fascists were, and what the neighbor was breathing in general. But in order to force someone to fight for your interests, it is necessary to give, along with arms, the sacred meaning of a great undertaking. No one will say that the main bourgeois and capital of the planet wins the competition. The result of his victory will be that everything stolen from us since 91 will be taken away from us and distributed to other hands. And the country itself will be divided into pieces and spheres of influence.

[Epaulettes]

Quote: GIPS

when the people rise up

No people are going anywhere. I didn’t stand up against the retirement age, I didn’t stand up against the violation of the Constitution - and then suddenly it will. Why all of a sudden?
How our people are getting up was clearly shown by the mobilization, when out of more than 20, only 000 voluntarily stood up, and almost 000 times more got up from Russia further away - to Kazakhstan there, to Georgia.

[Nikolay310]

in fairness, the state has been doing everything for 30 years so that its youth fled to Georgia, and not to the military registration and enlistment offices ... following the frightened patriots from the first channel

[Gips]

Of course, it must be admitted that my statement is emotional, about the rise of the people. But you must understand that riots and revolutions occur when the top cannot, and the bottom does not want to anymore. To call a rebellion a revolution, this rebellion must be won, and the one who leads it must have a scientific head to win.

So, if there were no riots, and even more so revolutions, then the lower classes may not really want to, and it’s possible that they don’t want to at all, BUT THE TOPs are still very much CAN.

So don't be in a hurry to get upset. All will be. Society is matter and develops according to strict laws, described almost 200 years ago.

[Constantine N]

the problem is that the US has better technology in conventional warfare. You can mobilize at least 5 million, but if accurate missiles arrive, they will simply all die.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: GIPS

And it is not yet known whether factories and ships will remain in private hands after that)))

Steamboat factories in private hands - and there is the main reason current War.
Without resolving the issue with steamboat factories, the slaughter cannot be stopped.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Therefore, if there is a threat of such a scenario, the West will have to enter into a direct armed clash with Russia, including a nuclear war.

Yes, the West will not go to a nuclear war because of Ukraine, why should they risk the destruction of their cities and radioactive contamination?

[voyaka uh]

The Americans clearly said what they would do if Russia used tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of Ukraine.
American and NATO troops will enter Kyiv and other major cities in the west and center of Ukraine.
Demonstrating by this that tactical nuclear weapons will not lead to the surrender of Ukraine.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Americans clearly said what they would do if Russia used tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of Ukraine.
American and NATO troops will enter Kyiv and other major cities in the west and center of Ukraine.
Demonstrating by this that tactical nuclear weapons will not lead to the surrender of Ukraine.

Where is it officially stated? They will not enter Ukraine, again, if they enter ours, the Americans will begin to use tactical nuclear weapons and use strategic troops. Putin has never bluffed in America, they know it.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Yes, the West will not go to a nuclear war because of Ukraine, why should they risk the destruction of their cities and radioactive contamination?

Cities are cities, and decision makers have somewhere to sit out.

[dmi.pris1]

Everything is clear .. The nestlings of the librast nest are on the road. In Armenia.

[vorobejti]

There should be only one scenario - the victory of Russia! And if there is a place to be the organization of negotiations, then only in the case when denazification and demilitarization reaches its climax.

[Vic Vic]

Better a terrible end than a horror without end, which, in general, is close to the dilemma of choosing between war and shame.

[Two diplomas]

As I understand it, this stuffing was done solely for training sarcasm in VO.

[Dinic]

Why are the thoughts of this noname here? Besides, some rotten, judging by his thoughts.

[Rage66]

This stuff needs a thorough investigation.

[Andrey Moskvin]

But such a scenario is unlikely.

Accordingly, the scenario of freezing the conflict looks more realistic...

However, such a scenario is unlikely to satisfy both sides of the conflict,

The author at least made a clear conclusion. Butter oil.

[digger]

Some kind of lice appeared. Why do we need to look at these lice.

[Alexander X]

This "expert" from the HSE recommends doing the same thing that even Merkel's enemy recognized as a deception of Russia. It is high time to close the hotbed called the HSE together with all the experts from there!

[TermNachTer]

Thought of course interesting, I'm not afraid of this word - genital, but I would like to hear the specifics on what the conclusions of this individual are based)))

[skeptic]

Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkov, Sumy, Chernihiv and up to the Dnieper, if these territories are not liberated from the Bandera regime, it will be a defeat and our people will not accept it. IMHO

[Bingo]

HSE

And what else can the HSE say besides the most desirable scenario for the United States?

[Ross xnumx]

Our country needs a serious reduction in the number of political scientists. It is not clear to me at all from which budget items they are paid. As for the HSE and all HSE students, it is time to place these candidates and doctors in the Far East region (possibly in Eastern Siberia). Let us demonstrate in practice the results of their fabrications.

Ideally Russia should inflict such a military defeat on Ukraine that would lead it to demilitarization, limiting military cooperation with the United States and NATO, returning the status of the Russian language and ending the persecution of the Russian-speaking population, RIA Novosti quotes Suslov.

The only correct thought from the very beginning of the in one interpretation or another is voiced by all sane people. True, these people were still talking about the full mobilization of human resources and the economy. It is possible that neither human resources nor capital would have flowed out of Russia.
There was an opinion here that the volunteers left many times less than they fled ... To tell the truth, I only regret that Chubais managed to leave the country ... And with impunity ... And this scum had to answer for all its affairs.
I am not going to judge those who do not want to fall under partial mobilization - there are appropriate authorities for this. As repeatedly stated on the site, it is impunity that breeds permissiveness.
* * *
In recent months, we have been repeating daily in chorus: “Halva! Halva!". True, our life does not become sweeter from this, the problems do not resolve themselves, and the situation remains at the pandemic stage, when one, slight relief forms a growing lump of problems.

[BorzRio]

This option is definitely Russia's loss, its defeat. Let's remember the speech of the President of Russia - February 24? What was said there? A special operation has been launched to demilitarize and denify Ukraine. So? And what happens that the president of a huge nuclear power made a mistake as a first-grader? How did a poor dead man with bare hands climb on a professional hand-to-hand combatant with knives? Didn't calculate the strength? Didn't foresee? Didn't think? Didn't know what the state of the army and navy was? Didn't know that the West would climb ahead? If such a person leads the country and is the commander-in-chief of the army with a nuclear arsenal, then this is already dangerous, dangerous not only for the country, but for the whole world! It's not emotion, it's just awareness of the situation. No one will adhere to the peace agreements. There will be new shelling and sabotage, forces and weapons will be accumulated in Ukraine, the boat of the Maidan will rock inside our country. Society will be split. Everyone is tired of this bloody war on the "half bump". It will be the collapse of power and confusion in Russia. Therefore, only the victory and liberation of 70% of the territory of Ukraine from the Bandera American government.

[Constantine N]

there was no choice on 24 February and in 2014 there was no choice. NATO was originally created to defeat Russia, now they decided either to try, or finally. If Ukraine had been given away in 2014, it would have had all types of weapons already now, it would have been provoked somehow otherwise simply. Perhaps in 2007 there was no need to stutter at the conference on a multipolar world, hoping either for Europe or for something else. But I think the United States in any case wants the territory of a country that is huge and technologically behind.

[Ceburec59]

These are our political scientists. They call for a clear defeat of Russia and advocate an endless war. Why did this idiot conclude that the West would decide to commit suicide for the sake of Ukraine?!

[lopvlad]

This point of view was voiced by Russian political scientist, Deputy Director of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies of the Faculty of World Economy and International Affairs of the National Research University Higher School of Economics Dmitry Suslov.

the representative of the liberal pro-Western garbage heap voiced the very Wishlist of this garbage heap.
Since it is difficult to call this representative both a Russian and a political scientist, the title of the article should be like this

Suslov named the most likely scenario for ending the Ukrainian conflict

[Vdi73]

Analyst, the men in the PMC, send him away so that he crap himself.

[16112014nk]

Quote: Shurik70

The fifth column is trying to push through new "Minsk agreements".

But there is also a "sixth column" in the government itself. Much more dangerous than the "fifth".

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

though not a relative, but the name says a lot

[Horon]

Higher School of Economics Dmitry Suslov.

Further it is necessary not to read, but to call the NKVD.

[Kuziming]

How to stop hostilities, without a threat to Russia, and loss of face for the United States?
Sorry, I will not consider the wishes of the representatives of the former Ukraine.
So,
1. In order to eliminate the military threat to Russia, the mobilization potential of conditional Anti-Russia must be minimal.
Therefore, leaving million-plus cities under the control of the West is a bad idea.
2. The US needs some kind of result, so Lvov and Chernivtsi can go to NATO. But it is better with the loss of the name Ukraine, as part of neighboring states.
Then the cessation of hostilities is ensured.
3. No truce between Russia and Anti-Russia is possible. Negotiations should go in the format of the Yalta Conference, directly between Russia and the United States.

[alexey_444]

In principle, everything is moving towards this, but unlike the outskirts, we do not want to lay down all our soldiers, they are our future, so many people disappeared in the 90s: who left, who drank, who died in Chechnya. Unlike the USA and Europe, so many future citizens do not come to us, and we are not Japan, it is dangerous to be a sparsely populated country with old people. In addition, when the orcs go to the Crimea in the summer, and over Moscow they will shoot down analogues of geraniums without having any advantages over the orcs in their strength, it will not be easy for us anyway. A difficult choice, like a khosavyurt, only time has shown that the swan was right.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Time has shown that Lebed was wrong on that issue. It's just that then the scale was much smaller, and repeating Khasavyurt's mistake now will cost us much more. (Moreover, there was already a new Khasavyurt - it was called Minsk. Rake dancing is a national sport)

[Timur_kz]

Why did everyone attack Suslov so much? Everything goes towards this. To a compromise. Most likely, Donbas will be exchanged for the Kherson region and Zaporozhye, or it will be fixed on the current division of these regions. But Donbass will definitely be liberated - something must be presented to the people. There will be no liberation of southeastern Ukraine, Bakhmut cannot be taken for a month, can you imagine the battle for Odessa or Kharkov? It is necessary to have technical and tactical superiority in everything. Well, you can’t effectively fight with such a military-political leadership. Therefore, the expert is right, sooner or later you will have to be content with little.

[Epaulettes]

Quote: Timur_kz

Why did everyone attack Suslov so much?

Sofa commanders really want to play soldiers.

[AlexWar]

To stop the war is to pump up Ukraine with weapons, they will set up the economy for the production of weapons. A new Reich has risen in Ukraine
Zelensky, like the Fuhrer, has only one thing, plans only forward
Never before has a war ended peacefully. Someone has to win.
Trying to negotiate with them on their terms is a loser. They will not stop the attacks on the Donbass, they have been shelling it for 8 years, and it is impossible to negotiate with them
This war did not go out of the blue, they destroyed people in the Donbass for 8 years
You can’t negotiate with them, look at their plans, they are like Hitler’s, Zelensky is ready to throw almost all the people into battle. Ukraine will be like in 1941, when Germany was divided
It is possible that the war will be 5 years or more. At least three years are needed for the troops to go on the offensive.
Our Ministry of Defense has nothing to attack; they were not preparing for a full-scale war. Warehouses are empty. Until our economy gets on wheels everything for the war, as in 1941, we will not win.
Our army was just 5th column and reduced.
Putin is not the person who will negotiate; the Ukrainians have deceived him many times.
We must not sit in shelters, but prepare a full-scale offensive
If we destroy the bridges and advance, then the Ukrainian army will not have enough weapons.
If not bridges, then you will have to hit the airfields of Poland, but the answer may be our airfields will suffer. Our aviation does not cost anything to cover, for 30 years nothing has been done to hide aircraft from strikes
Our air defense is not ready, we need to re-create the army. We need to revive everything that was closed, repair airfields, pour concrete strips.
There is a problem with Engels, well, move this airfield to another place, build a new one, with shelters. Well, in general, in the border areas there should be air defense everywhere

[Constantine N]

The problem is that the United States has already begun to supply Ukraine with weapons that are not in Russia and are unlikely to stop. How to deal with it? bombs will soon begin to arrive at 150 km, which air defense is unlikely to be able to shoot down.

[Eug]

Let's look at the situation realistically - the nut turned out to be too tough.

[Artur homoastricus]

Please explain to me, an incompetent couch analyst, WHAT does not allow us, as a state, to take the initiative in creating some kind of New Eurasian Union, which would include the Russian Federation, China, Iran, North Korea, and possibly Vietnam, Belarus, some countries of Latin America, with the goal formation of which was a military-political association against NATO and amers, so to speak, the second center of power in the world militarily? After all, military alliances took place before the first and second world wars, both during and after, while playing a leading role in the world political arena. How is it that now each of the countries on the list above single-handedly grabs from the collective West and silently sits on the defensive with the thought "well, how can we alone resist the states and the Anglo-Saxons?" Surely there are some objective difficulties here (it can't just be a matter of the political impotence of our leadership and the Foreign Ministry), but are they really insurmountable? It is obvious that the rhetoric of the Anglo-Saxons and NATO will subside instantly after such a hypothetical alliance declares mutual guaranteed military support for each of its members. Isn't the growing risk of the third world war going into a hot phase and the increasingly bold arguments of analysts and top officials of states about the use of tactical nuclear weapons are not a signal that such an alliance is urgently needed by countries that are still not members of it for some reason?

[Mol_18]

The answer can be the following in several formations
1. In order to create such a military-political bloc from the Russian Federation, China, Iran, North Korea, and possibly Vietnam, Belarus, guarantees are needed that these countries will protect each other, and in addition, it will simply not be beneficial for China to create such bloc, their sales with the West and the USA will fall. Yes, it is possible with Iran, but how Iran is shaking in domestic politics, it is a very unstable state now, and do not forget about Israel, which can quickly set Iran's brains together with the United States on this initiative. Latin America is a distant corner for us, dominated by the United States, and they are afraid of them there. Russia will be far away, but the USA is nearby.
2. Of course, the creation of such a block is desirable, but you yourself see what kind of leadership we have, draw lines and so on, and the creation of such a block could turn everything upside down. Well, if Russia wins in Ukraine, when it becomes all part of Russia, then it will be possible to talk about such an alliance. In those states that you listed, people are also sitting, and the East loves power, so that they need to show it. The power of the Russian bear, so that the myth of the Russian invincible bear once again sits in the heads of the whole world.
But these are all words and slogans, but in reality we have what we have.

[AlexWar]

To attack, you need proposals for the offensive from each part. But in our country, the opposite is true; plans are being drawn up in the Ministry of Defense. At least one plan was executed there?
Scouts are needed to attack. This is where the enemy is. Where is the best place to go. The enemy apparently uses satellite data from space. it's hard to come here.
During the Second World War, at first there was many hours of artillery preparation, and then the battalions were raised on the attack and they went forward. And what is being shown right now, one tank went on the offensive.
If they go on the offensive with small forces, it is necessary to draw those enemy groups and hit them with missiles. Aviation did not work very well. She even says they can’t land a landing.
Our war is against NATO, even if the weapons in Ukraine are not modern, but they have information at the NATO level, they are controlled by NATO troops. If this is a war with NATO, we must hit all NATO warehouses
In theory, we were supposed to hit the warehouses of the rear of the Ukrainian army. These warehouses are located in Poland.
Our Ministry of Defense is playing again, instead of calling up to a million people, only a third were called up, the result is zero.
If we start hitting the warehouses of Poland, we will have to fight with Poland and with everything NATO, then, whatever one may say, the army needs to be increased to three million people
Ukraine wants NATO to enter the war, they are doing everything for this. For example, for Russia to hit Poland and it started there. The United States also pulls tanks there for a reason

[Consultant]

Quote from Alexwar

If we start hitting the warehouses of Poland, we will have to fight with Poland and with everything NATO, then, whatever one may say, the army needs to be increased to three million people

Stop raving! War with NATO is only possible in one form, after which their remnants of survivors wonder if it was worth hiding in a bunker?

[Vashek]

No matter what lies ahead, it is disgusting to hear forecasts from the lips of the HSE. Here is her overclocking - one of the conditions for the struggle for victory, but while she sucks and prepares 500s, nothing shines.

[Nord11]

And the best way out from the point of view of Europe and the USA is to hand over the devastated outskirts of Russia. Then you don’t have to return the blocked money, you don’t need to spend your money on restoration, plus we get an unbearable plundered territory with an embittered population ..

[Rimlianin]

Gold words! This is a note to all those unfortunate patriots who dream of reaching the Polish border. Until the Polish border and have to feed.

[Consultant]

Your conversations contradict Putin's statements about the main goals of the CVO he started: the complete demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine!

[Arkady007]

A scenario that will not satisfy both parties for a long period.
And who needs such an outcome?
USA only. To improve their finances and sell Ukraine and the EU a bunch more weapons.

[Chief Officer Lom]

The existence after the "end" of the war of an "independent" Ukraine larger than a few regions is a guaranteed resumption of the war in the shortest possible time on even worse conditions than now. We already "ended" the war in March 2022, but the Euro-Nazis underestimated us, they decided too early that they had successfully used the time provided. Now they will prepare more carefully, they will accumulate weapons in Ukraine for a year and at the same time brainwash us about disarmament so that we are "less feared" and about their readiness after this to "accept into the family of civilized countries" and partial (ha ha) lifting of sanctions. But the result will be the same - the continuation of the war. Even the annexation (not to be confused with the temporary occupation) of Ukraine by Poland is preferable, because Poland itself, despite all the cries, is unlikely to want to fight with us itself, if we ourselves do not set ourselves up, demonstrating excessive weakness. Of course, if Poland itself is not brought to the state of present-day Ukraine, when external control will completely subdue the country's management. It is possible, in Poland it is already strong enough, but it is still far from the Ukrainian level and we will probably have 10 years if the United States decides to repeat it.

[runway-1]

Ideally, Russia should inflict such a military defeat on Ukraine that would lead to demilitarization, limited military cooperation with the United States and NATO, the return of the status of the Russian language and an end to the persecution of the Russian-speaking population, RIA Novosti quotes Suslov.
But such a scenario is unlikely, since it actually means a direct defeat for the West. Therefore, if there is a threat of such a scenario, The West will have to enter into a direct armed clash with Russia, including a nuclear war

Why did it happen? So far, on the contrary, they "dissuaded" us from taking such measures ...

[DenD]

Speaking in Armenia at the round table
Speech by another artist, colloquial genre. And not just anywhere, but on the table.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

This political scientist would have walked through the forest. Russia is fighting for its people and its lands. And the goal of the West is to spoil more of Russia, and with other people's little hands. Therefore, for Russia, the goal is an order of magnitude more important than for the West. And Russia is ready to give an order of magnitude more to achieve its goal. And he will never agree to the Korean version. This is understandable to a fool. And the one who writes otherwise is like a venal skin in the absence of direct evidence of this.

[Arzoo]

Americans will not sacrifice New York for Khatsapetovka. The exchange is definitely not equal. Therefore, they will do nothing of the sort. And if they do, well, it's their crazy choice.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

I don't want to sacrifice Peter for Khatsepetovka either.

[Mixweb]

Starting to test the waters about peace with the Nazis? And prepare people for this?

[Yuri Vasilenko_2]

I quote excerpts from the first paragraph: “The most realistic outcome of the current armed clash between Russia and Ukraine is the likely conclusion of a truce at a certain stage and the transition from the “hot phase” of the conflict to its freezing. You may not read further. Katz always offered to give up. And sho characteristically, the expectations were fully justified, because the "political scientist" sets out the crystal dream of the liberals. But Putin, long before the start of hostilities, warned the Ukrainians that "you will lose statehood", there is not much left. It will be as it should be, but there should be no Bandera states. But this does not suit the "political scientist" from the Higher School of Economics.

[Vladimir Karasev]

Without the return of Russian lands and cities - Nikolaev, Odessa, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kirovograd, there is no need to talk about negotiations and victory. These cities were created and built by the Russians Potemkin, Ushakov, Suvorov, De Ribas during the time of Elizabeth and Catherine. All this will have to be released here and now. The problem postponed for later will return to us in the future in a more unresolved form. Unfortunately, we cannot take Avdiivka and Maryinka, not to mention Slavyansk. But eventually they will break.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

New York was built by the Dutch. Russian de Ribas in general 5 points.

[crossbow]

When something doesn’t work out and in order to finish what you started, you have to strain. There is always a temptation to stop halfway. But as a result, we shift the solution to the problems that are vital to us onto the shoulders of the next generation. In other words, if we give Ukraine a break, in five or six years its army will become stronger than the Russian one and we will definitely lose the next conflict. Modern Ukraine is anti-Russia. If anyone doesn’t understand, this war is existential for us. We must destroy the Ukraine-anti-Russia project. It doesn’t matter how this happens - either we will reach the border with Poland, or we will leave the territory of right-bank Ukraine uninhabitable as a result of radioactive contamination.

[flyer]

29 years before the North Military District, when the Anti-Russia project existed, it could have been defeated by showing Ukrainians the advantages of life in Russia and the Russian world. Instead, “effective” managers made “effective” decisions, the country’s leadership moved away from the USSR at any convenient moment, forgetting its legacy, and propagandists for the state. the scores are broadcast every day, simultaneously enriching the invited Ukrainian experts.

[who are you]

no matter how much the patriotic part of the population of the Russian Federation wants a complete victory of the Russian Federation in the Northern Military District in Ukraine, another part of the victory is not needed, because the Iron Curtain will fall from the West and everything acquired through back-breaking labor during the period of market democratization of Russia can either be taken away or frozen indefinitely. and those lucky ones who avoid this will have to sit on golden eggs in the Russian Federation, and they really don’t like this, because there will be no warm sea and palm trees, and it will not be comme il faut to display their well-being against the background of the rest of the population of the Russian Federation. It would never even occur to them to invest money in the development of their country. They will wait - the time of the waiters is coming. And in the worst case scenario, the “Azov Sitting” scenario of the Cossacks is possible with a known outcome.

[buslaif]

The time has come to finally and irrevocably disperse the anti-Russian liberal cesspool called the Higher School of Economics. Is there a person in Russia who can do this?

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

There is a patriot who is much more patriotic than anyone present here. Matveychev! Oh yes...

[dfk-80]

Once upon a time, Yanukovych fell for his words and did not solve the problem with a box of cartridges and hundreds of Maidan soldiers with pots on their heads.
Then our leadership stopped the Russian spring in Ukraine. The number of lives was in the hundreds and thousands. No more.
Now the count is hundreds of thousands killed and maimed on both sides. With refugees worth millions.
If this problem in/at 404 is not solved, the bill will then lead to millions of deaths and tens of millions of refugees.
The CIA will find consumables for itself, will we have that much? Even if the women no longer have anyone to give birth to...

[alexey_Murzin]

How is this not from anyone? How long have you been out in the evening? Have you heard Russian there?
Everything will happen without the Russians.

[Losyara]

How “smart” you have to be to wish the country a problem for years on the border in the form of frostbitten Banderaites, who will continue to be pumped full of weapons for an even bloodier scenario in the future! He would be impaled for such “predictions”

[scary]

Well, analogies arise in the event of a truce not with the Korean conflict, where one nation still remains, but with the Indo-Pakistani conflict. In Ukraine, ethnogenesis has been catalyzed, so that in 20 years no one will talk about any commonality with Russians there. The ideal of Ukrainian nationalism is the Czech Republic, where there seem to be Slavs, but they are in no way connected with the Russians. Given the results that exist, Russia’s salvation is a constant, sluggish conflict. Moreover, this will be far from a success, but if it turns out that way. I don’t know how it will look economically, but 8 years of the existing truce have produced negative results for Russia, we see them. Now supplies of foreign weapons are coming to Ukraine at a feverish pace, and during the truce all this will be streamlined, introduced into the state with all the logistics, people and services. Everyone who is now talking about a truce needs to paint a picture of the future in relations between Ukraine and Russia. For Russia, this will be the end of the earth - this is so in general, but there will be no less nightmares in specifics. In relation to people, these are Russians and Ukrainians who wanted to be friends with Russia, this will be a repeat betrayal of the 90s. The result of such a war would cement Russia as a second-rate power. If after the 90s it was some kind of adventure that, it would seem, could be overturned, now it will be a marker of second-rate status.

[AVESSALOM]

Have you started airing the obscene "Minsk-3" thread?

[tank64rus]

And what does this expert think? The West needs three years to promote the military-industrial complex and engage in the “final solution to the Russian question.” And this is a veiled “wish” of the “peace party” or betrayal, depending on who’s definition it is.

[Constantine N]

It is necessary to win, but how? There aren't enough opportunities

[Dmitrii]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

No 38 parallels. Only total surrender.

This is impossible, the territory is too large, the army is small and there is not enough time. The most normal option is the demarcation line along the Dnieper. But it also takes a lot of soldiers and time to reach the Dnieper along the entire front line.

[Alexey Lantukh]

I have to repeat myself once again. It looks like we can't do without a nuclear strike. The Supreme Commander hinted at this in Stalingrad. The West is seriously rearming Ukraine. For some reason, Russia’s use of nuclear weapons is considered in terms of a strike against Western Europe, i.e. according to NATO? Why the fright? We are not at war with Western Europe! I believe that a nuclear strike is possible only on Ukraine, and then on a limited scale, not massively. Stage one - nuclear warning to Kyiv and NATO. This is a stratospheric powerful thermonuclear explosion over Kiev, which would not harm people, but the electromagnetic pulse would disable some of the electronics, and maybe the glass would crack or fall out somewhere. Next, a missile attack should have disabled the air defense. Next, a massive raid by bombers with electronic warfare equipment and heavy bombs disables and destroys all Kyiv bridges and the hydroelectric dam and other important infrastructure and military facilities. Next, present an ultimatum. If it doesn’t work, then use tactical nuclear charges to destroy key infrastructure facilities throughout Ukraine, including bridges, tunnels, and railway junctions.
And lastly, the West is unlikely to use nuclear weapons for Ukraine. Your shirt is closer to your body. Everyone wants to live, even the leadership of Ukraine.

[Rimlianin]

Smart guy. This is how it will most likely be. Unfortunately of course. But it is unrealistic to fight with the entire West, which is participating with its armies. Of course, we will win, but at what cost. Those who are now saying that we will not stand up for the price are clearly not eager to get into the first-line trenches.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Let's be honest, Russia has grossly overestimated its military capabilities. The current set of demands “demilitarization, denazification, Crimea and 4 regions” could have been presented when Zelensky signed the capitulation not even in Kyiv, but in Lvov, but not now. Now our demands are reminiscent of the frequent situation on Avito.

- Do you sell a sofa?

- Yes, 7000.

- Sell for 1800.

- But it costs 7000.

- But I REALLY NEED IT!

We now want victory not because we deserve it, but because we “really need it.” And for victory you have to pay a big price. 7000, not 1800. And everyone needs to pay. When exactly you or your son (and not some abstract “hipster and homosexual”) will go to the front line under the blows of “a-ha-ha non-working” HIMARS. When exactly your family (and not the family of an abstract “oligarch-liberalist”, that’s for sure not) will stand in line for food stamps. When exactly in your city (and not in Brussels or Los Angeles) the next sewerage repair will be in 2050. And I don’t think at all that those who are demanding to “go to the end” are willing to pay this price.

[alexey_Murzin]

Right. You will have to pay well for such desires. But local experts only want, but are not ready to contribute to this.
I was always surprised by the inscriptions on cars - “to Berlin”, “we can repeat” and so on. What about the letters “Z” on civilian cars? Where are they now?) As soon as the first mobilization was announced, everything disappeared from the cars

[Vasily M]

So-so, political scientist. Russia in no way needs a pro-NATO Ukraine, or part of it.
This was one of the reasons for the SVO.
The Ukrainians were fooled into thinking that Putin wanted to enslave them (just take them from the beggars), they enthusiastically galloped in front of Russian bullets, but all they had to do was refuse to join NATO.

[withoutreverse]

It's too late.. "Carthage must be destroyed"

[flyer]

Ukrainian society wants to win too much, especially in words and on their broadcasts on the Internet and TV, that for them the “38th parallel” is the beginning of a fight between spiders in a jar. Any truce, where the transfer of parts of Ukraine to Russia is recognized by the West, automatically nullifies the Zelensky regime. The oppositionists will publish the real losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and citizens will ask Zelensky Vova, why our children, husbands, brothers, fathers died + questions will arise about where the funds allocated by Western countries went. help. Zelensky has painted himself into a corner.

[Clone]

“Where there is a horse with a hoof, there is a cancer with a claw”... The only thing missing was how to quote the opinion of the liberal fosterlings on “Military Review”... despite the fact that the text is clearly defeatist in nature.

[d1975]

This is the path to betrayal! No negotiations, what is this body talking about? There shouldn’t be a country like 404; fascists have no place on Russian soil!