Ukrainian media: X-101 missile that fell in Vinnitsa turned out to be designed specifically to break through the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

On January 26, 2023, an Kh-101 rocket fell in Vinnitsa. Its wreckage was carefully studied by American and Ukrainian experts, according to the Ukrainian press. As a result, it was possible to establish that this rocket is allegedly a representative of a previously unknown modification. Its purpose is to break through the air defense system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

According to the Ukrainian press, the L-504 862-4-22 trap shooting system was installed on the rocket. Also, the rocket was equipped with a special optical trajectory correction system based on satellite images Otblesk-U.

According to the Russian Telegram channel "Military Informant", the principle of operation of the system for shooting traps is not exactly known. But, probably, the shooting begins when the missile enters specific areas where numerous enemy air defense forces operate. Also, a warning system about the action of the radar can be installed on board the missile, after which the firing is carried out.

According to their composition, the traps are also divided into two types: either they shoot false thermal targets, resisting missiles with a thermal guidance head, or chaff can be installed in them to reduce the effectiveness of air defense missiles guided by radar.

However, the X-101 missiles were not previously equipped with such equipment, Russian sources confirm. Therefore, the appearance of such missiles testifies to the work being carried out by the Russian defense industry to increase the effectiveness of cruise missiles and their survival during a breakthrough through the barriers of enemy air defense systems.

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[tralflot1832]

Next time you need to launch with an empty special combat unit.

[Zoldat_A]

!

Quote: tralflot1832

Next time you need to launch with an empty special combat unit.

Not with an empty one, but with such that there was no one and nothing to approach and study.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Not with an empty one, but with such that there was no one and nothing to approach and study.

To smash the floor of Vinnitsa.

[Simple]

DAMU, instead of empty statements, it would be enough to say that until the next Saturday, in such and such regions of Western Ukraine, the population was evacuated.
And then you can start, or you can wait.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Simple

DAMU instead of empty statements it would be enough to say

It's better for him to keep quiet, now at least he will justify himself for softness.
It's not that bad, there are those at the top who make it worse, but you don't notice them. At least that:
IMF (International Monetary Fund), and Moscow contributes about $11,7 million annually to this structure.
By the way, an organization whose recommendations our government impeccably implements. After all, it was at the suggestion of the IMF that the retirement age was raised in our country. But this, as it was not noticed.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Simple

so that the evacuation of the population takes place before the next Saturday in such and such regions of Western Ukraine.
And then you can run

There is constant talk about it here. And I talked about it too.
"An attack on the Belgorod region is an attack on Kyiv. A missile on a barn in the Bryansk region is minus a quarter in Kyiv. Or Lvov."

We just don't decide.

[Shiva83483]

and what was Ternopil thrown out of the goals ... there the stoned ones are the same as in lemberg

[paul3390]

It is necessary to add dynamics to it - so that when flying over the expanses of Tsegabonia, it also swears loudly at all this ukronechist ... Yes, and it’s somehow more fun to bomb with swear words ..

[dmi.pris1]

But the question is. Why didn’t she rush from hitting the ground?

[voyaka uh]

She ran out of fuel and was gliding to the ground.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It’s better to let him sing

[Argon]

And most importantly, I got to Vinnitsa itself ...)))

[Bolt cutter]

We need dozens of Luneberg-lensed cheap simulator missiles. After the shooting of expensive anti-aircraft missiles from the "humanitarian aid" NATO is already launching a second wave. Western anti-missiles are an expensive pleasure, but they still need to be made.

[alexey_444]

Quote from Flybomber: if you come up with something, do not hesitate at the front it has already been used more than once.

[Bolt cutter]

Apparently, this trick was not used to its full potential, if it was used at all - in a day, dill can shoot a three-month release of western toffee, since they do not feel sorry for them.

[alexey_444]

Nothing improves military technology like war.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: alexey_444

Nothing improves military technology like war.

In the Second World War in the USSR, documentation for a 152mm self-propelled gun was developed in 19 days.

[Ross xnumx]

The Kh-101 missile that fell in Vinnitsa turned out to be designed specifically to break through the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

It would be better if it turned out with a special warhead ...

[Bingo]

By the way recently. another interesting rocket lit up ... During the visit of the ex-president to the "Rainbow" ...

[Center]
Apparently, a stealth missile for the internal compartments of the Su-57, square because.
Moral - there are so few missiles that they are intensively developing new ones in 4 hands What pleases. You can buy geraniums, but no one will ever sell such missiles as above in the article and this one in the photo

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from Bingo

Apparently, a stealth missile for the internal compartments of the Su-57, square because.

She's not square. Such a profile is used to create a lifting force by the body, which makes it possible to reduce the area (and dimensions and weight) of the wing.

[Evgenijus]

(Peter):

... to create a body lift

Most likely not to create lift. The lifting force can arise only in the case when the oncoming air flow on a moving aircraft goes around the larger surface of the vehicle from above, and the lower plane should be smaller in area. In the photo, it's the other way around. But in reality, this form of rocket is not dictated by the issues of creating lift. The designers of the rocket will tell you more precisely, but stock up on the form of access to such information.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

That's for sure. And then they chatted on the site, like grandmas at the entrance.)

[solar]

trap firing system installed L-504 862-4-22

On the Internet you can find an x-ray of this system. Judging by the filling, heat traps.
But they did not find missile launch detection systems with IR guidance on the missile.

the rocket was equipped with a special optical trajectory correction system

nothing new. Such a system was originally installed on the X-101.

X-101 missiles were used to strike civilian energy infrastructure in Kyiv, Khmelnitsky, Lutsk, Uman, Zaporozhye, Dnipro and other cities of Ukraine[26][27]

According to the US Department of Defense, during the use of the Kh-101 in Ukraine, a significant frequency of cruise missile failures is recorded, as the military department notes that the missiles "either do not launch, or do not hit the target, or do not explode on contact"[28][29 ].

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Х-101

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from solar

nothing new. Such a system on the X-101 was originally

Yes ... a number of missiles are equipped with containers with dipole reflectors, heat traps and even radio interference generators (transmitters)! And this has already been implemented for a very long time! (You can recall the "series" of still Soviet (!) heavy anti-ship missiles ...) But you can see the difference between combat missile launchers and radar-based missile launchers! The difference is that "combat" missiles, if they have, along with warheads, containers with "dipoles" and TL, then this is the minimum (!) Possible number! Whereas LCs often have only containers with dipole reflectors and heat traps without warheads! This is explained, for example, by the fact that in this case (without warheads!) the LC "takes" more "interference"! And also, LCs can have simple (not very accurate ...), but cheap guidance systems .. there is a possibility of LC deviation from a certain trajectory and hitting the "wrong" objects! Therefore, in order to minimize damage, warheads are not installed!

[Jafar]

According to the US Department of Defense, during the use of the Kh-101 in Ukraine, a significant frequency of cruise missile failures is recorded, as the military department notes that the missiles "either do not launch, or do not hit the target, or do not explode on contact"[28][29 ].

How interesting is the manipulation of facts

The wiki refers to 2 sources, where it says that "the US Department of Defense says that many missiles are faulty, but does not separate them by product", but since the article is about x-101, the wiki authors wrote them down there. Moreover, in the US DoD article itself, the phrase sounds like "some of them", again, without specifying what kind of missiles.

Now you can't trust anyone

[Osipov9391]

When the electronic equipment of the main strategic cruise missile falls into the hands of a potential enemy, this is not good for us.
The same radio altimeter, the same Doppler speed meter is of great interest when it falls into the hands of a potential enemy.
You can find out the altitude of the rocket, the frequency of microwave signals generated on the underlying surface, and much more.

This means creating means of passive detection of such missiles or means of countering them.
These methods have been known for a long time.

[Osipov9391]

When spacecraft are operating that detect the take-offs of missile carriers along the heat trail and missile launches at the moment the carrier is separated along the thermal trail, as well as when AWACS aircraft are operating, it is not easy to deceive the air defense of Ukraine even with such methods.
They track the flight of all missiles through the territory of Ukraine well and will certainly agree with the latter on what information should be given out.
They also report where real missiles can fly and where false missiles can fly simply according to the information that they agree with Ukraine.
And for sure, an agent network in Russia is involved.

[Bolt cutter]

they report where real missiles can fly and where false ones

For the same purpose, both false and real, let them think. Yes, and they can also maneuver and turn missiles - the 2000s are in the yard.

[Osipov9391]

Everything is agreed there. And I would not consider NATO officers as fools in this regard.

Suppose 10 missiles are flying to region A of Ukraine, and among them are fake ones, but in that region there are important objects that require cover.
Air defense crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are advised to shoot down all 10 targets.

And let's say 6 missiles fly to region B of Ukraine - 4 real and 2 false ones. But there are no strategic
objects requiring cover.
Then the headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can receive information not to touch those 6 targets that are flying somewhere over there.
If there is nothing to cover.

And not only this...

[Bolt cutter]

there are important objects in the region that require cover.

That's where to send waves. And the cheat "endless shots" in real life on the air defense system does not work. Moreover, not a single NATO will be able to send hundreds of expensive missiles a week.

important objects requiring cover

And there are a lot of them.

[Nikolaevich I]

Yoksel-moksel! It was this version (the LC version based on the X-101) that I put forward the "last time"! Oh, how they began to “paraffinize” me then! Well, citizens of lakhudrons ... will we repent? Or will I have to "publish" a list of those "critics"?
PS By the way, LCs based on "real" CDs can be made cheaper ... without the guidance systems used in the X-101; using, for example, methods implemented back in the Soviet anti-ship missiles "Basalt", "Granite" ... (method "wolf pack" ... "rocket swarm" ...)!

[Osipov9391]

How much cheaper? At 5-10% what is the cost of an explosive charge?
And everything else in the rocket needs to be installed - there is no other way.

[Nikolaevich I]

Lord! You did not at all understand what I wrote in the commentary! But to object to me - so this very second!

[Osipov9391]

You wrote about a decoy made on the basis of the Kh-101 missile.
So ? So.
And how do you imagine it without guidance systems?
Without these systems, it will not only not fly, it will fall like a stone into the ground when dropped from the carrier.
And there were such cases near Astrakhan and Volgograd recently when those same guidance systems malfunctioned.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Osipov9391

And how do you imagine it without guidance systems?

Yoksel-moksel! I didn’t write (!) About LCs without "wabche" guidance systems! I wrote that it is possible to install simpler, cheaper guidance systems on the LC, and not those that are installed on the "combat" X-101! That is, there are no GOS at the LC, satellite correction, terrain correction, expensive ANN ... let's say, on laser gyroscopes ... A simpler and cheaper ANN can be installed on the LC ... plus R / K-correction! In addition, I gave a hint, mentioning the guidance methods used in anti-ship missiles such as "Basalt", "Granite", etc. ! Judging by your answer, you have no idea about the anti-ship missiles I mentioned! So what should I "talk" to you about?

[Osipov9391]

Kh-55 and Kh-101 missiles are strategic weapons designed to hit strategically important targets at long range.
Therefore, their design, in terms of features and price, is designed for the specified task and not for creating false targets.

All right.
We will remove the radio altimeter, Doppler speed meter, on-board computer and self-propelled guns that are responsible for the flight of the rocket.
This is already 45-50% of the rocket price.
She won't fly without them. And there is nothing to replace them with - with our electronics, this is not considered at all.
And the price of the engine of these rockets is rather big.

And there is no need to compare the anti-ship missiles "Basalt" and "Granite". There are other guidance principles and other equipment.

Do you know about the MA-31 supplied to the USA?

[savage3000]

You are spouting complete nonsense. What other lcs based on the x-31 ??? It's sur simple!

[Carlos Hall]

It is necessary to manufacture hypersonic missiles in three shifts in the morning, afternoon and night, capable of evading enemy air defenses in the future

[tsvetahaki]

It is necessary to manufacture hypersonic missiles in three shifts in the morning, afternoon and night, capable of evading enemy air defenses in the future

And, probably, develop a soft landing system on enemy territory.

[HMR333]

And how would they know whether or not they were given a rocket to figure it out? Before!

[tsvetahaki]

Very interesting. Modern systems - both guidance and anti-aircraft defense. The missile broke through Ukrainian air defenses and landed safely. But there were no astronauts in it to land them safely.
What about the warhead and self-destruction system?

[Ed1970]

Fell, unscrewed, studied. And why is there no self-destruction, at least electronics blocks? There was nothing to study. And then the suppliers will be calculated ...

[AVESSALOM]

Then they will give a brand new T-90 with a "Cape", now the latest rocket .. What will we present next time? What kind of analogue shit?

[savage3000]

Great, the Americans say thank you for such a gift, without a self-destruct system. Bravo!