Chinese carrier-based aircraft AWACS and UAV radar reconnaissance

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Chinese carrier-based aircraft AWACS and UAV radar reconnaissance

China in terms of military development fleet now overtakes all other countries, and aircraft carriers in the short term should become one of the foundations of the combat power of the PLA Navy.

The decision to build China's own aircraft carriers was made in the early 1990s. Due to the fact that there was no experience in designing and building such ships in China, at the first stage, decommissioned aircraft-carrying cruisers pr. 1143 "Kyiv" and pr. 1143.2 "Minsk" were purchased for study in Russia.



In April 1998, the unfinished aircraft-carrying cruiser Project 1143.6 Varyag was purchased from Ukraine for $20 million. According to the official Chinese version, this ship was planned to be turned into a floating entertainment center with a casino. However, after arriving on the Chinese shores, the cruiser was placed in the dry dock of a shipbuilding company in the city of Dalian. In early 2011, it became known that China had completed the completion and modernization of the ship, and in August sea trials had already begun.

On September 25, 2012, a ceremony was held in the port of Dalian to accept the first aircraft carrier into service with the Chinese Navy. The ship was named "Liaoning" - in honor of the province in northeast China, and tail number 16.

Having gained the necessary experience, Chinese shipbuilders continued building aircraft carriers. In April 2017, it was launched, and in December 2019, the second Chinese aircraft carrier, the Shandong, was put into operation. At present, the third aircraft carrier "Fujian" has been launched and is being tested. A fourth aircraft carrier is under construction.

The composition aviation groups of aircraft carriers, in addition to carrier-based fighters, electronic warfare aircraft, transport, search and rescue and anti-submarine helicopters, should include helicopters and radar patrol aircraft.

Deck helicopters of radar patrol Ka-31 and Z-18J


Apparently, the first specialized carrier-based radar patrol vehicle used by the PLA Navy was the Russian Ka-31. The contract for the construction of nine helicopters was signed a few years before the start of tests of the Liaoning aircraft carrier. The first Ka-31 was handed over to the customer in November 2010, the contract was completed in 2016.


To detect air and surface targets, the Ka-31 is equipped with a decimeter range radar. A rotating antenna 5,75 meters long is placed under the fuselage. In the idle position and during landing, the antenna folds up. So that the chassis does not interfere with the rotation of the antenna, it was finalized: the front supports are retracted into the fairings, and the rear, the main supports, received a mechanism that pulls them up. From the transport-combat Ka-29, the radar patrol helicopter also differs in larger fuel tanks and a powerful auxiliary power unit TA-8K, launched during the operation of the radar.


A helicopter with a maximum takeoff weight of 12 kg can reach speeds of up to 500 km/h. The maximum flight range is 255 km with a duration of 680 hours. Patrolling is possible at an altitude of up to 2,5 km. Crew - 3 people.

The E-801 Oko radio-technical complex, developed by NPO Vega, made it possible to detect air targets at a distance of 100–150 km and surface targets of the “missile boat” type at a distance of 250 km, while simultaneously tracking 20 targets. Ka-31 helicopters delivered to China received a new BKS-252 RTK, but its characteristics were not disclosed.

In 2009, it became known about the tests of the Chinese Z-18J AWACS helicopter with a radar antenna located in the area of ​​​​the folding tail frame and lowered to the working position when the machine is in the air. According to reference data, as of 2022, 8-9 helicopters of this type could be in service.


Helicopter Z-18Y with folded radar antenna

The basis for the Chinese AWACS helicopter was the marine transport Z-18 with a folding tail boom and rotor blades. This machine, in turn, was created on the basis of the Z-8, which is a licensed copy of the French Aérospatiale SA 321 Super Frelon helicopter.


The maximum takeoff weight of the Z-18Y helicopter is 13 kg. Maximum speed - 800 km / h. The flight range is about 336 km. Crew - 900 people. It is stated that the Chinese helicopter Z-4Y surpasses the Russian Ka-18 in its characteristics. At a distance of up to 31 km from the carrier ship, the duration of patrolling at an altitude of 100 m is 3 hours. The radio engineering complex is capable of detecting targets at high and medium altitudes at a distance of up to 000 km. Targets flying at low altitude are detected from a distance of 2,5 km.

In terms of flight range and duration, as well as the characteristics of the on-board radio-technical complex, AWACS helicopters are certainly inferior to aircraft of a similar purpose. But in any case, in terms of the timely detection of air targets, they are many times superior to the capabilities of shipborne radars. An important advantage of such helicopters is the possibility of being based not only on aircraft carriers, but also on relatively small ships with helipads.

Carrier-based AWACS aircraft KJ-600


Initially, it was planned to use radar patrol helicopters on the first two Chinese aircraft carriers Liaoning and Shandong. But on the third larger ship, the Fujian, it was decided to place specially designed carrier-based AWACS aircraft, which made it possible to significantly increase the detection range of air and sea targets, as well as better control the actions of the air wing.

As you know, in the USSR, in the creation of the Yak-44 carrier-based AWACS aircraft, they did not advance beyond the construction of the layout, and Chinese designers had to create such a machine on their own.

The first prototype, known as JZY-01, took off from the Xi'an factory airfield in Xi'an in 2011. This machine, created on the basis of the transport Y-7 (copy of the An-26), was intended to work out design solutions that were later planned to be used to create a carrier-based aircraft. A number of authors write that the aircraft did not carry a radio-technical complex, and the radar antenna was a dummy.


Experienced aircraft AWACS JZY-01

Contrary to rumors, the JZY-01 was not intended for testing on an aircraft carrier. Too large for a deck-based machine, it does not have a folding wing and is not equipped with a brake landing hook and reinforced landing gear. In addition, this very heavy aircraft, which does not have a high thrust-to-weight ratio, is not capable of taking off from the deck of an aircraft carrier without the help of a catapult or solid fuel boosters.

During the first test flights, it turned out that the bulky radar disk obscures the tail, and this negatively affects handling. After completion, the prototype received a spaced tail with washers on the tips.


In addition, to improve take-off and landing characteristics and improve fuel efficiency, the second prototype aircraft was equipped with WJ-6C engines with 6-bladed JL-4 propellers - similar to those used on the new Y-8-600 transport and KJ-200 AWACS aircraft and ZDK-03.


Google Earth satellite image: JZY-01 aircraft in storage at the XAS factory airfield in Xi'an

Active testing of the JZY-01 continued until 2015, after which the experimental aircraft was put into storage.

At the beginning of 2017, information appeared about the testing of a new carrier-based AWACS aircraft KJ-600. Judging by the photographs of this machine, its geometric dimensions are close to the dimensions of the American E-2 Hawkeye, and the folding wing allows it to be compactly placed in the internal compartments and lifted by elevators. On the forums, you can find amateurish statements that the KJ-600 is a converted Y-7. But for specialists it is quite obvious that the KJ-600 airframe was created anew, and not borrowed from the Y-7 transport aircraft. At the same time, new composite materials are actively used.


Folded wing layout of KJ-600

At the design stage, the following requirements were laid down: the length of the aircraft was about 18 m, the wing span was not more than 22 m (it should add up at least 25% of the wing length), the height along the upper plane of the radar radome was 6 m. The diameter of the radar antenna radome was not more than 7 m. With such dimensions, the maximum take-off weight of the aircraft should not exceed 35 tons. The maximum fuel supply is 6 tons. Crew: 5-6 people. The maximum flight speed is up to 700 km/h.

Most of the experts who wrote about this aircraft previously agreed that the radar radome is not made rotating, and inside it, as on the larger KJ-2000 and KJ-500 AWACS aircraft, there are three active phased antenna arrays providing all-round visibility. However, information has recently appeared in the Chinese media that the KJ-600 RTK includes an onboard KLC-7 radar with an active phased antenna array of two sets of phased antennas. The station operates in two ranges and performs both electronic and mechanical scanning of the airspace. Together, this makes it possible to simultaneously detect more than 100 air targets, including such as cruise anti-ship missiles.

When flying at an altitude of 11 m, the airborne radar with AFAR KLC-000 can detect air targets at a distance of up to 7 km. With a decrease to 550 m, the maximum detection range of an air target will decrease to 6 km, and when performing a reconnaissance and patrol flight at an altitude of 000 m, the detection range of an enemy aircraft is 300–1 km.

When patrolling at an altitude of 11 m, the KJ-000 aircraft is capable of performing patrol flights lasting 600–6 hours. During patrols at medium altitudes, the duration of stay in the air does not exceed six hours, and when flying at low and extremely low altitudes, the duration of the flight is 8-4 hours. Chinese admirals believe that it is most rational to plan the patrol route of the KJ-5 carrier-based aircraft in the form of a rectangle with a long side of 600 km and a short side of 300 km.


Google Earth satellite image: KJ-600 carrier-based AWACS aircraft at the finished product site of the Xi'an Aircraft Company airfield in Xi'an

It is known that the assembly of the KJ-600, like other Chinese AWACS aircraft, is carried out at the Shaanxi Aircraft Corporation in Hanzhong. Refinement and factory testing of carrier-based AWACS aircraft are being carried out at the airfield of the Xi'an Aircraft Company in the city of Xi'an.


Satellite image of Google Earth: carrier-based AWACS aircraft KJ-600 in the parking lot of the airfield of Xi'an Aircraft Company in Xi'an

At the end of 2022, two KJ-600 aircraft were seen at different sites of the HAS factory airfield in the city of Xi'an. Taking into account the fact that the PLA Navy plans to have four aircraft carriers, the need for carrier-based AWACS aircraft is estimated at 10-12 units.

Radar reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles


At present, long-range coastal, sea and air-based anti-ship missile systems are being put into service with the PLA Navy. Successful use of heavy anti-ship missiles with a range of several hundred kilometers and ballistic anti-ship missiles with a range of more than 1 km requires reliable means of reconnaissance and target designation. For this, it is planned to use over-the-horizon radars, reconnaissance spacecraft, long-range reconnaissance aircraft and Drones.

The main advantages of heavy UAVs are their ability to conduct long-term patrols at a considerable distance from the coast and, using satellite communication channels, transmit the received information in real time. At the same time, there is no risk of losing the crew, and the costs are significantly lower than when using manned reconnaissance aircraft.

In 2008, Chengdu began testing the WZ-7 Xianlong ("Soaring Dragon") heavy reconnaissance UAV, built by the Chinese company Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC).


UAV WZ-7 Xianlong

The Chinese "Soaring Dragon" is equipped with an original wing shape, which combines a closed wing of normal and reverse sweep. The wing consists of two planes located one above the other and interconnected by curved rings. This shape of the wing has a large lifting force and allows in cruising mode to significantly reduce fuel consumption and increase flight duration.


According to American data, with a takeoff weight of up to 8 kg, the WZ-000 Xianlong UAV
capable of climbing to a height of 18 meters and covering a distance of more than 300 km. Maximum speed - up to 7 km / h. The total payload weight is 000 kg.

To search for surface targets, the Soaring Eagle is equipped with a synthetic aperture radar. When flying at high altitude, the detection range of a destroyer-type target can exceed 450 km. Through satellite and radio channels, through relay aircraft and other drones, data on detected targets should be transmitted to headquarters, as well as to coastal and sea anti-ship systems. According to US naval intelligence, the WZ-7 Xianlong UAV, along with reconnaissance spacecraft, is part of the target designation system for coastal-based anti-ship ballistic missiles DF-21D.


UAV mobile control center and mobile space communication stations

The main one is an autonomous flight mode using the Chinese Beidou satellite navigation system and data transmission equipment via satellite communication channels.

The deployment of the WZ-7 Xianlong UAV was carried out in 2018. According to Chinese sources, 11 air bases have been prepared for the operation of long-range drones, mainly on the east coast of China.


Google Earth Satellite Image: HQ-4 Xianglong UAV at Ishtuntun Air Base

Soaring Dragons stationed at Shigatz Air Base were used during the Doklam crisis in August 2017. Chinese "closed wing" drones have also been spotted at Lingshui Air Base, located on Hainan Island and Woody Island in the South China Sea. Very often, WZ-7 Xianlong UAVs operate together with long-range reconnaissance aircraft based on Y-8, H-6 aircraft or with KJ-200 and KJ-500 AWACS aircraft. At the end of June 2019, Taiwanese media reported that the HQ-4 Xianglong UAV was used to track the USS Antietam CG-54 Ticonderoga-class missile cruiser that passed through the Taiwan Strait.

In 2015, pictures appeared of the Divine Eagle heavy jet UAV (“Divine Eagle”), which was supposed to surpass the American RQ-4 Global Hawk. This Chinese apparatus became known after it began to be tested in Shenyang, and it fell into the lenses of cameras of satellites observing the earth's surface, and after that it was photographed by observers on the factory runway.


UAV Divine Eagle at the factory airfield in Shenyang

The heavy UAV Divine Eagle has a tandem body with one turbojet engine in the middle and two keels. According to expert estimates, the Divine Eagle is equipped with a turbofan engine with a thrust of 3,5 to 5 tons, which is enough to lift a drone with a takeoff weight of 12–18 tons.


Model UAV Divine Eagle

There is no reliable information about the exact dimensions and flight data of a heavy two-keel UAV. But, judging by satellite images obtained at the factory airfield of the Shenyang Aviation Corporation Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SYAC), the length of its fuselage can be from 15 to 18 m, and the wingspan is estimated at 40–45 m.


Satellite image of Google Earth: Divine Eagle UAV at the factory airfield in Shenyang. The size of the drone can be judged by the J-11 fighter jet on the left side of the image

Judging by the dimensions and layout of the Divine Eagle UAV, it can be assumed that the practical range of its flight will be no less than that of the American RQ-4 Global Hawk heavy reconnaissance drone. The exact flight data of the Divine Eagle is not known, but it is believed that the patrol altitude can exceed 20 km, and the cruising speed is in the range of 750–800 km/h.

The Chinese media write that 7 AFAR antennas are placed on the outer surfaces of the Divine Eagle UAV. The transmission of radar information should take place in real time via radio relay and satellite communication channels. It is generally accepted that the main purpose of the largest Chinese unmanned vehicle is to track American aircraft carrier strike groups.

Apparently, unlike the HQ-4 Xianglong UAV, not many Divine Eagle drones have been built, and they are currently in trial operation, after which a decision will be made on further use.


Satellite image of Google Earth: UAV Divine Eagle and HQ-4 Xianglong at Anshun Air Base. To the right of the drones are mobile command posts and satellite communication stations with parabolic antennas.

Heavy drones "Soaring Dragon" and "Divine Eagle" were spotted at the Anshun air base in Guizhou province, where the Chinese control center for unmanned aerial vehicles using satellite data transmission channels is located. In this area, by 2015, all the necessary infrastructure was built, stationary parabolic antennas were installed and there are several mobile drone control kits.

In the immediate vicinity of the Anshun Air Base, there are workshops of the Guizhou Aircraft Industry Corporation (GAIC), where heavy Chinese UAVs are being assembled.

Since 2018, mobile space communication systems have been deployed in the southern and southwestern regions of China. According to foreign observers, this is due to the massive influx of heavy drones with a long flight range into the troops.

To be continued ...
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  1. +13
    9 February 2023 07: 40
    Like this. People are working. And we have one marking time and eyewash.
    1. +9
      9 February 2023 08: 23
      The Chinese Communists give us warm greetings!
      Well, dear impoverished builders of developed capitalism in one single northern country taken by the oligarchs? Still communists bad? Is the French bread still crunchy? "Damned 90s" has already passed 23 years.
      Let me remind you that if you add 1945 years to 23, it will be 1968. The Soviet communists showed how to carry out the NWO in Czechoslovakia. So to speak, a master class on conducting a Special Military Operation.
    2. +3
      9 February 2023 09: 26
      Who prevents our engineers from working, and not pouring from empty to empty?
      1. +8
        9 February 2023 09: 29
        Quote from Beaver.
        Who prevents our engineers from working, and not pouring from empty to empty?

        The lack of a modern industrial and elemental base, as well as an insane tax policy and bureaucratic arbitrariness, which makes real production economically unprofitable, interferes.
        1. +2
          9 February 2023 09: 48
          Somewhere flashed the news that you have at the plant. Gagarin, the stir began on the subject of the Su-35 (but this is not accurate).
          1. +5
            9 February 2023 10: 05
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Somewhere flashed the news that you have at the plant. Gagarin, the stir began on the subject of the Su-35 (but this is not accurate).

            Are you telling me this? Take an interest in the fate of the Egyptian Su-35SK. wink
            1. +4
              9 February 2023 11: 27
              I'm not telling, but rather asking. You know that I do not tend to mutter something on topics in which I understand less than the author.
              1. +4
                9 February 2023 11: 36
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                I'm not telling, but rather asking.

                Due to the fact that you forgot to put a question mark, I did not understand this.
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                You know that I do not tend to mutter something on topics in which I understand less than the author.

                You usually "babble" exclusively on the topic, and often you understand the topic much better than many authors.
                1. +5
                  9 February 2023 11: 46
                  Meanwhile, greetings to you and Olga from Uncle Kostya, they just called each other.
                  1. +3
                    9 February 2023 12: 12
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Meanwhile, greetings to you and Olga from Uncle Kostya, they just called each other.

                    Thank you! Bow down from us! Olya says hello too!
                    1. +3
                      9 February 2023 12: 19
                      Consider that he passed it on, he was just about to read your material.)))
                    2. +2
                      13 February 2023 00: 50
                      Hello!
                      About the element base, I wrote more than once in the comments on this site that there is no stable CMOS process technology of 0.18 microns and lower in Russia.
                      0.25 µm and 0.35 µm (which is the level of 2000-2002) are available only at the Moscow NIISI and the Kurchatov Institute. But there volumes are scanty.
                      Therefore, the production of 0.35 micron microcircuits developed in Russia is the Minsk "Integral".

                      There are no modern technical processes in Russia at all. Even FPGAs and microcontrollers were made almost entirely in foreign factories - Taiwan and Germany.
                      Now everything is with it.

                      And what the best Russian factories like Angstrem or Mikron can do is the level of 20 years ago.
                      And this is the best case.
                  2. +2
                    9 February 2023 12: 42
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Meanwhile, greetings to you and Olga from Uncle Kostya, they just called each other.

                    Anton, hello! Uncle Kostya is very much missed on the site!
                    1. +3
                      9 February 2023 12: 54
                      Hi, Olya! It will show up in a couple of weeks.
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      2. +7
        9 February 2023 14: 00
        Quote from Beaver.
        Who prevents our engineers from working

        I will assume that you have very few engineers left: the old guard is leaving, the young are thinking about something else.
        Entrance 2022 to Baumanka was amazing: the leading engineering university in two areas - "Electric Power and Electrical Engineering" and "Special Engineering" - the passing score fell by more than 100 points. In the power industry, for example, from 257 to 149 points.
        149 points in three disciplines means that the applicant has 50 points for each exam. Round trio...
        and plus there is nothing else to do:

        From the memoirs of N.A. Panichev - Minister of Machine-Tool and Tool Industry of the USSR:
        “At the beginning of 1992, I hardly made my way to an appointment with the acting director. Prime Minister Gaidar, came to him with a detailed plan for the preservation of the machine tool industry. He didn’t even look at anything, he frowned in disgust:
        “Who needs your crappy machines?! If you need it, we will buy everything abroad."

        Oleg Poptsov. "Moment of Truth", TVC, 23.06.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX:
        “At the beginning of the reforms, I said to Gaidar: You are looking for a middle class. But he is there: these are teachers, doctors, technical and creative intelligence. And I heard in response: this is not the middle class, and dependents».

        “There was no responsible political force in Russia that would dare to declare that from the point of view of the goals of self-preservation and reproduction of the Russian people, the collapse of the USSR was the biggest success in the last half century».
        (Yegor Gaidar. "Death of the Empire. Lessons for Modern Russia").
        and you also erect monuments to him ... Paradoxically.
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          1. +6
            9 February 2023 17: 01
            I advise you to look on the territory of the former USSR
            https://www.avito.ru/kostroma/fototehnika/teleskop_alkor_sssr_1986_g_2466188014

            MSHR RTM-60 come across

            The man found
            https://star-hunter.ru/rtm-60/
  2. +3
    9 February 2023 07: 41
    I envy the Chinese with white envy, but the author, as always, is a plus ... good
  3. +1
    9 February 2023 08: 11
    Chinese helicopter AWACS Z-18J
    Maybe I'm very out of topic or a technical error crept into the text, but it seemed to me that this model is further called Z-18Y ...
    Thank you Sergey!
    1. +3
      9 February 2023 09: 31
      Anton, hello!
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Maybe I'm very out of topic or a technical error crept into the text, but it seemed to me that this model is further called Z-18Y ...

      In various sources, the AWACS helicopter is referred to as Z-18Y and Z-18J.
      1. +5
        9 February 2023 09: 44
        Hello, Sergey!
        So first, I'm off topic.
        1. +4
          9 February 2023 09: 50
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          So first, I'm off topic.

          It seems to me that Chinese authors and Western experts, taking into account the closeness of Chinese developments, are not in the subject themselves. Although it is possible that the Z-18Y and Z-18J are outwardly similar helicopters for the same purpose with different RTKs.
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            1. +12
              9 February 2023 11: 24
              Quote from: wanna
              Z-8J is purely military transport

              probably still not so .... (or not quite so)
              Chinese sources speculate that the preliminary task for the Z-18A helicopter is to carry and transportt the AH-4 155 mm Z-18A is a utility variant for the Chinese army. The military version has an even more protruding nose. A terrain tracking radar is installed under the nose.

              A variant of electronic warfare or electronic countermeasures. It has large antennas mounted on both sides of the mid-fuselage. This helicopter is used for electronic countermeasures on the battlefield.


              The Z-18F is the third variant to emerge, alongside a utility/VIP transport version and an airborne early warning (AEW) platform, possibly with the designation Z-18J.
              and F is exactly PLO: there is a surface search radar. The FLIR/TV tower has been moved. This helicopter is equipped with a new submersible sonar. It also has about 30 holes for the release of sonar buoys. This version can carry up to 4 light torpedoes or anti-ship missiles. The helicopter is equipped with a data transmission channel and can direct cruise missiles from frigates and escort destroyers to surface targets it has detected.


              "Bat": Z-18J naval airborne early warning helicopter. It has been developed for the Chinese navy. It has a redesigned rear door with a retractable radar antenna. When not in use the antenna is retracted into the fuselage. This helicopter is stationed onboard the Liaoning aircraft carrier. Prototype of this helicopter was first spotted back in 2009


              and "Y" looks like an error


              Quote from: wanna
              which means "early warning" in Chinese pinyin.

              yùjǐng
              belay
              but in conjunction with radar will be
              jǐnggao
              Chinese are encrypted:
              - they write and think officially in pǔtōnghuà, then it is translated by ear with novelisms in Hànyǔ pīnyīn, then they write in Latin (what someone's mouth said and
              heard by someone's ear). Accordingly, in double iteration-conversion, and errors of ears, mouths, such collisions arise
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                1. +8
                  9 February 2023 13: 37
                  I brought Chinese pictures. Everything seems to be painted there.
                  you wrote
                  Quote from: wanna
                  Z-8J is purely military transport
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                    1. +7
                      9 February 2023 14: 33
                      Quote from: wanna
                      As an analogy, if you add a machine gun or grenade launcher to the cockpit of the MI-17 for operations to cover the battlefield, we will not call it "Mi17-ABCDEFG"

                      MI-171 not a correct example.
                      a long-range radar detection helicopter modified on the basis of the Mi-171 army aviation transport helicopter - a very serious alteration, but there is no abvgd.

                      can be seen immediately (even if you count the radar with headlights for the suitcase of a Chinese general transported to his dacha)



                      Quote from: wanna
                      In fact, the Z-8y may be another derivative of the Z-8, the AC313.

                      anything can happen. But it would be desirable to link to something.
                      Otherwise I will say that there is Z-8ABCDEFG
  4. 0
    9 February 2023 08: 18
    wing span not more than 22 m (should add up at least 25% of the wing length)
    Figase "at least 25%! Judging by the model, we can safely talk about 75% here! And a very interesting folding geometry. Chinese know-how or has it already been implemented somewhere?
    1. +11
      9 February 2023 11: 44
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Figase "at least 25%! Judging by the model, here you can safely about 75%

      error. KLC-7 / KJ-600 / Air Police 600. 2/3 wings are folded (about 60-65%)
      you yourself can (using a Chinese ruler and a Chinese calculator) determine the dimensions and how much% adds up.


      (although the key "should" here! probably this is from the terms of reference. asked 25% received 65%
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Or has it already been done somewhere?

      already and for a long time
      [/ Center][/ Center]
      1. +6
        9 February 2023 12: 24
        Thanks a lot! Not my topic, I would not look for information myself ...
        1. +6
          9 February 2023 13: 33
          hi
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Not my topic, I would not look for information myself ...



          well, the Fairey Swordfish (1934 biplane!) is on everyone's lips:
          it was their second impact that jammed the rudders at the "horror of Britain) port rudder by 12 °. Bismarck became unmaneuverable and unable to go to port in France
          + the first documented submarine sunk by FAA aircraft:
          On April 13, 1940, Swordfish, launched from HMS Warspite, in addition to targeting 8 destroyers, spotted U-64 dropped bombs from a dive and sank her.
          True, the consoles do not fold quite like that, but almost like that. Biplane though.
          PS If you want to get a residence permit on an aircraft carrier: apply ingenuity.
          "apartment" is small-sized, and the lift generally goes berserk according to restrictions.
          1. +3
            9 February 2023 14: 20
            "everybody's heard:"
            Yes, I probably read it, I just didn’t think about how his wings folded.
            1. +7
              9 February 2023 14: 39
              I was glad to help fill in a minor gap.
              I just often listen to our sabaton and Bismarck, most often.
  5. +4
    9 February 2023 08: 41
    Chinese army early warning helicopter Mi 171

    AWACS of unknown purpose, some suggest that it was an early test version of the balancer, others say that it was the second set of naval AWACS.


    1. +2
      9 February 2023 09: 37
      Quote from: wanna
      Chinese army early warning helicopter Mi 171

      Dear Chinese friend, this article is called "Chinese deck aviation AWACS and radar reconnaissance UAVs "- i.e. keyword "Deck". The Mi-171 helicopter in the PLA Navy has never been used as a deck helicopter.
      Quote from: wanna
      AWACS of unknown purpose, some suggest that it was an early test version of the balancer, others say that it was the second set of naval AWACS.

      I propose to operate only with reliable facts. In addition, it seems to me that the English abbreviation AWACS is not quite appropriate in this context. There is an abbreviation in Russian DRLO. This is a Russian-language site, isn't it?
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        1. 0
          9 February 2023 10: 52
          Quote from: wanna
          Look at the tone of your voice, what are you angry about?

          Why should I be angry with you? When you really write about a case, I always give you "+". I just want commentators (including you) to operate with verified and reliable information.
    2. +8
      9 February 2023 12: 36
      Quote from: wanna
      it was the second set of naval AWACS.

      not that photo
      JZY-01 based on transport Y-7 (first attempt)

      Y-7 is very generic + heavy for an aircraft carrier + shading of the keels with a washer. Yeah, they don't seem to be made.
      shortened and with washers - this is a frankenstein essentially from a Y-7J (03) and 2/5 of the new back
      [Center]
      and guess that 03 is not the last
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  6. +2
    9 February 2023 09: 46
    I feel that the Chinese will stamp a fleet of such "Eagles" and they will fly online around North America, Australia, the EU ...... The West itself will be in the role of the Russian Federation. When everything is visible and clearly at all times. Given the large number of IRBMs and the accuracy of conventional warheads, this is a dangerous threat.
  7. +4
    9 February 2023 10: 30
    hi
    As always, great article!
    IMHO, of course, but the option "long-range reconnaissance UAV + UAV relay" looks more profitable than a space system for reconnaissance and target designation.
    1. +2
      9 February 2023 10: 55
      Hello!
      Quote: Wildcat
      IMHO, of course, but the option "long-range reconnaissance UAV + UAV relay" looks more profitable than a space system for reconnaissance and target designation.

      It is clear that UAVs are cheaper and more flexible than a satellite reconnaissance system. But drones are vulnerable to air defense and fighters, although after the appearance of the American destroyers SAM SM-2 and SM-3 in the ammunition load, satellites cannot be considered invulnerable either.
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  8. +2
    9 February 2023 11: 04
    After reading the article, something is sad, in what kind of opera are we, especially in the development of UAVs, there is not enough evil, after a video from near Vugledar, where there are no much-needed strike UAVs against artillery. Hmm
    1. +1
      9 February 2023 16: 25
      Someone would write an article - where are our ORIONS? One way or another, there should already be 30-40 of them even from pilot production.

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